17. Well, Goodbye Forever (S2E8)

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast. I'm Greg. And I'm Penny. And this is the Extraordinary

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Cast, a podcast dedicated to the Hulu and Disney Plus series, Extraordinary, created

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_03]: by Emma Moran. This episode we're covering season 2, episode 8, the season 2 finale,

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well Goodbye Forever, written by Emma Moran and directed by Jennifer Sheridan. I can't

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: believe we're finally at the finale, Greg. I know, right? I can't believe we're actually

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: recording for the finale because it's taken us so long to do so. You know, life happens.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But man, it has been rough. It's been a difficult year for a lot of people in terms

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: of scheduling and stuff like over on still slaying, we've had a really hard time getting

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: together to record episodes. It's been a real bummer. We're trying to work on

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: a solution to that. Yeah, I mean, I think sometimes you just maybe got to go like do

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: go two, three, four weeks and then you take a break. Try to the problem is that

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: whenever you start a break, it's hard to come back from the break, in my opinion.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It is you get out of the habit and you get out of the routine. And I sort of

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: lost the trace of this show and had to rewatch episode seven before I could get

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: into episode eight.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I get that. I do. I think that a big part of because we haven't had a scheduled,

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, I'm looking forward to this and looking forward to this and looking

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: forward to this. I can't wait to see the next episode or whatever. I do

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: think that there was a quality drop from season one to season two. And

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: while this season had kind of some moments of excellence, I feel like it

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: there was, we'll call it a sophomore slump.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. I think this season has been weak compared to season one. It felt

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_03]: rushed and it didn't have the density of humor that season one had. It was

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_03]: it just felt like it got less budget and less attention and less time to be

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: put together, which is too bad because season one was really promising

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and great.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. I completely agree.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So impressions of this episode. I'm like, I'm wishy washy on it,

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: right? Like to me, unfortunately, as much as I love these characters and

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: these actors, like, I was kind of like, meh.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. How about you?

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Me too. I have very high expectations when a show does a musical episode, I

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: think because of Buffy and that 70s show and Supernatural have all done

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: musicals where you thought it was going to be bad, and it turned out

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: to be absolutely phenomenal. And so I was like, maybe they'll be

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: absolutely phenomenal on Extraordinary. And it was exactly as good as I

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: would think a musical written by Cash would be, which is, you know,

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: lame and dumb.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally exactly my that was that was exactly my my thought as well.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It was I was like, this is as bad as any amateur play slash musical I've

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: ever seen. Like, I don't I haven't I have not been a part of like the

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: art scene in, you know, London, New York, where they I've never been in

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: a film class or a theater, you know, theater majors. Like I've never had

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to watch really, really bad productions. But like this was this

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: is what I would imagine that that would be.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the opening number was like not awful. And I thought the sets

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and the costume looked actually way better than it should, Kevin, what I

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: assume was their budget of almost nothing. Right. But it went downhill

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: fast after that, like that opening song was the most cogent thing

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that happened of the whole musical. And I don't even understand who

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: were those people in the audience? Yeah, like who would go? Yeah,

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: exactly. Who stayed after the first intermission? Right, like they must

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: have been the family members of the people in the cast, but the cast

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: never interact with them. So it just seems like they're randos off the

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: street. It's

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, it's sort of defied logic.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And I know we're trying to like inject reality into a an

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: extraordinary show. But

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but having said that, so okay, well, let's just

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: set that aside.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say that I will have I have a couple of positives about

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the musical itself.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I there were a couple of lines that made me laugh. Yeah. You know,

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, explode the rapist. Give the rapist a stern talking to

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you. Like I did think that was like,

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: what?

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna let you off this time. But don't you do it again.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy everything that Megan Magnet Girl does. I just her on

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: stage is enough for me like, and and when she and Gregor, like

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: did the splits. Yeah.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the two of them are both very, very funny. And just being

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: they're funny, like they always have a look on their face

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: that's interesting or something about their body language is

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting. They're they're born to be on stage or on

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: screen.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Megan continuing to grab her pregnant belly and like

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: dance with this and like hold it still as she was gyrating.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So funny.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it was very comical.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I love her. I really do.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like, and I'll be honest, I I did laugh at the, you

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: know, my, my friends are giving your henchmen a pounding

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: right now.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: That was so juvenile.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was so juvenile. But I honestly, I again, unlike

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: second third watch, I knew it was coming and I was still

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: laughing about it. Like, it just

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I watched, you know, I've been watching the boys

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was like, oh yeah, we put an explosive up your butt.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Whoop. That's what this made me think of is like

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: that is very the boys.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you and you haven't even gotten to there's a thing in

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: season three that now I really want to talk to you about it.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And I loved when that happened. And Gregor in character was

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: like, yeah, that'll do it. Like, like, you're right.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You've you've defeated my henchmen. That's

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, as flamo. I think his name is flamo.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, his costume was the best costume with the like

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: fabric flames hanging off of it. That was that was great.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And so was cashers powers like ice powers is like, is that what

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: he was holding? You have like, I was fighting. Oh, I couldn't

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: tell. I could not tell what the flames of flamo. Yeah,

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: like really dumb. It was so yeah, like you said, it was

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: so bad. But and then like in the beginning of the like,

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: when cash first comes out or vigilante or whomever it is

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: comes out and like then like Megan takes the knife from the

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: bad guy and then comes after cash and then he like, knocks

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the knife out of her I was like, what the fuck is

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: happening? I don't I do not understand.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I did enjoy that. You know, whoever was Gregor has the

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: first line right before cash is entrance where he says like

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: we need something and then we need better laws and then Megan

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: says we need better lights at night. Better lighting at

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: night. And then Clark, yeah, Clark is like, we need to have

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: change out of structural level or whatever. And I was like,

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, and then cash is like, no, we need a hero. And I

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted somebody in the audience to be like, no, what

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: he said, the last one. That was that's actually what we

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: do that. Like,

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: so obviously talking about it, I find remembering the positive

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: parts like I did find some of it entertaining and enjoyable.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah,

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was campy and goofy, but it just wasn't up

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: to the quality that I expect based on season one. I just

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: thought it was like, I mean, 100%. Yeah. We sort of

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: skipped over the recap. Do you want to do it now?

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, sure. So from Amazon. It's the night of the

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: musical and the gang is faced with both internal and

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: external chaos. Okay. A little bit more thorough than

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that. So vague.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Let go by the powers clinic, Jen must face her unresolved

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: grief about her father on a road. cash is one night only

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: performance of the musical has a lot of hiccups that can't

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: be solved by just turning back time. And Carrie finally

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: figures out how to be assertive after much prompting.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, jizz reluctantly finds home for his kittens. And

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: then at the end, Jen falls into the void, which is funny

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: because we actually had talked about that.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like, Hey, there's the payoff for my

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: thing about how there was no safety rails.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, it was it was not Schrodinger. It

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: was Chekhov's void, right? Did we make that joke?

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we did. But you're right. It was Chekhov's void.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But all right, let's let's take a quick break and then we'll

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: come back and we'll finish up but

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: give the rapist a stone talking to. All right, and

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: we're back. I hope you enjoyed those wonderful ads that

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: may pay for cash is one night only performance, maybe a

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: second night probably could because that was very

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: underfunded.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so so we already kind of talked our way through

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the musical like I mean, I think we talked about all the

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: positives of the musical itself.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, one more thing about the musical is that we got the

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: payoff of Randall and the worm.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was actually pretty funny. Like him writing the

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: worm was actually pretty good.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And singing about the worm and being so excited about

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: identifying with the worm. It's like, it's like the

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: one thing he got out of the whole season. Very cute.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I agree. And then and then the encouragement

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: by the other actors at the intermission of not only him,

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but like they weren't like down on each other. They

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: weren't talking about how

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they were all into it. Yeah, excited.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever been in a play?

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's I have not.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really fun. And it creates this sense of

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: community that is not like any other thing I've done the

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: closest thing I've been able to, I would relate it to is

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: team sports, especially the the parts of team sports where

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: you just spend so much time together. Like, for me, when

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I was playing sports in like middle school and high school,

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_03]: there was always like hours of bus rides and like, time

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: spent when you know, I was on JV and we were watching

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: the varsity game where it was just we were just together

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: for all this time not even just when we were playing

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but like just together a lot. And you form this like, very

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: specialized community that surrounds the thing. And you

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: like, you're really close to the people that you're doing a

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: play with and that's the part that's really great. It's for

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: me it was never the being on stage part. It was always

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: about the we got together and we all made a thing together

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: part.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, absolutely. And I have been a part of things like

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that. We you know, on in the in the Navy, we had something

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: called Chief Season where everybody you know was advanced

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: together. So you basically spent like six straight weeks

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: together every day for like 10 to 14 hours a day. And you

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: know, you leaned on each other you did the hard stuff

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: together. You did the fun stuff together. You did the

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: easy stuff together. And yep, and you definitely build

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: bonds and that you encourage each other even if things don't

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily go the best.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. And, and the bond is somehow transcends the

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_03]: results. It made me miss doing theater. I was like, oh,

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: that was fun. I loved doing that. I love backstage.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I did I did do lights. I was part of like the

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: technical aspect. I was one of the lighting managers for some

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like middle school and a couple high school plays.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so you Yeah, you were part of it.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I was never in a play. I was a part of putting on a

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: production. Yes. But yeah, no, I totally understand the

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the the bonds that come from performing and creating

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: something like that.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so now I guess another little minor aspect in

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: my opinion was, jizz is trying to give away his children.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's interesting to me that nobody ever mentions like,

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: are these kittens normal kittens? Because they're their

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: father is not a normal cat. He's a human shape shifting

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: into a cat. So how do we not? How do we know if these kittens

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: are just kittens? Right? Or are they gonna someday like

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: morph into a human at their family's house? That would be

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: you imagine very awkward. Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's what

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: how we met jizz the first time exactly what happened with

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: jizz. Now. Hopefully then I end up with a name like

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Lord. Yeah, or seatbelt.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Seatbelt the fat one.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Brick.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Those were some hella cute kittens though. They were very

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: cute. I was like, I'll take one.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I did think it was funny that jizz was sitting like a cat

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: on the chair. Almost like in a crouch.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He does he does that a lot.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And the more I think back, I'm like he does he has

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like those cat tendencies that maybe kind of go unnoticed until

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you like notice them.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Like every now and then you'll be like, oh, he's

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: he's curled up like a cat. That's yeah, that's adorable.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then with all of his nipples. Yeah, he did look

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: like a mother cat on her back with a bunch of baby kittens.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: A little bit. Yeah, belly.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Those kittens though are way older than the need to be

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: bottle fed. Those are those are like 1012 week old kittens that

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: he had there. Those those kittens are weaned. Those

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: kittens are ready to go to a new home. Like those were not

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: teeny tiny brand new kittens.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I imagine that they were in fact weaned by their

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: mother before the the cat's owner came and took all of the

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: kittens and dropped them off. Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so so like the kittens were funny. Like the kittens

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: were cute. That little girl who wanted the kid they did

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: produce some funny lines. What what's your first action when

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: your cat starts to show signs of feline aids? So you admit

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't keep a cat keep a cat alive.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She was 21.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So like the interview process was it very much reminded me

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: of of I mean, maybe a less enthusiastic cash when he was

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: interviewing for vigilantes in season one.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a little bit like that. Um, I felt really bad for the

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: one woman who he was like, you're too old. And he just

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: like sent her away. I was like, that lady looks like she

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: has cat experience.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that felt almost like they were going for

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: almost like a kind of a cheap laugh. And like, and

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, that one didn't really land for me. But so that's

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty much all of Jesus storyline.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, nothing else. He was just, you know, an extra body for

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the rest of the time.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But that does send us into Carrie, our very, very stern

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: stage manager.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, finally, finally, Carrie learns to be assertive and

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: realizes that she should be in charge because she knows

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: what the right things are to do. And she makes good

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: decisions. And so like, just have the confidence that your

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: decision is right and people will listen to you. It's

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: about time that kicked in for her.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that it extends into other areas of her life, like

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: she should be paid so much more than she is at work.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Because of her unique talent.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was thinking about that. And I wonder if you

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: would have to put into law something that did not like

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that if you had power based, a power based skill, that you

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't like, you couldn't be paid more for for one

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: thing, even if no one else could do it, because there's

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: just luck of the draw. I mean, I guess it's luck of

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that you're born into a good family that can provide you a

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: good education now.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's the way I look at it. It's like how there's

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: lots of people that are musicians, but how many of them

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: are, you know, Elton John? Well, he gets paid a premium

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: because he has a gift. Right? Like she has a gift.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine he worked at it though. I don't imagine.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's not like she just I mean, I get yes, she

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_03]: like, you know, this just came to her. She didn't go to

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: school for it or anything. But it's something she can do

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that nobody else can do. And it's incredibly valuable

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: to the people she works with. And they treat her like

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: like a serving lunch. They're like, Carrie, get

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: the coffee and then come over here and perform magic

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and then take notes. Like they're, they are not

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: treating her or paying her like she is a person who

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: offers a unique and special service.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that probably is that she did not press for

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: more money.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Right? That's why I want her to find her voice and say,

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and while we're at it, I am not the you know, note taker

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: girl at all your meetings. And then also the star

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: witness. You know what I mean? Like, right, you can't

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: have both. You can't use my unique, you know, talent,

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: but pay me the entry level salary. Like it's just, I

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: feel like she's so taken advantage of and used in all

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: the scenes we saw at her workplace.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, she needs an actual gin manager. Like,

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: not act not actually gin, but she needs an actual

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: manager like for her real job. And she's too

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: threatened to go somewhere else. Unless they pay her

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: like, because I mean, how much money? Yeah, well,

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: how much money are they making because they can

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: access dead?

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, well, maybe you don't know this. But

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: as a lawyer who's worked at a law firm, they bill

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: for that. And they bill a lot. So the cut that

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the client is paying for Carrie's channeling and

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_03]: care and the time for every second that Carrie is

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: channeling someone they are paying some exorbitant

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: amount of money. Right, but Carrie's salary is not

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: attached to what they bill her out at.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And it should be

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: 100%. All right, so

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: all right, we've always agreed on the fact that

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Carrie deserves better in every aspect of her

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: life than what we see her get on the show.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah, well, that's not exactly I wasn't

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna say it as eloquently, but I was gonna

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: say, okay, you know, I think we, we kind of

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: beat that dead horse a bit much. Yeah, Carrie,

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: she needs to be an angel.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Although even this episode, I did start to like

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of find her a little bit whingey.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. You know what I didn't like when when

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: when she and Jen were talking about how Jen

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_03]: got fired. And she said something like, with

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: the amount of money you're paying them, you

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: should be able to make out with them a little

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: bit. And I was like, that's kind of never

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: okay. Like, I get like I get the joke. But

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Carrie would have had that

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: opinion.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Right? I mean, I would absolutely know I get

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: what you're saying. I think that that's

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that I think there she was just trying to,

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: as you said, make a joke. And I mean, it

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: is wildly bonkers that on video. Oh,

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all your fault. He blamed you completely.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's video of both of them, you know,

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: being active participants, you aren't running

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: away in her head, saying, Oh, Jen, stop,

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: this is inappropriate. This like,

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, it's completely unprofessional of

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: anybody in a counseling position, no matter

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: how much Jen threw herself at him, he

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: should have politely declined or forcefully

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: declined. Right? And he didn't he was

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: like egging her on. Remember, he's all

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: like, you're the only client I would

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: hang out with.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah. And we talked about how

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: creepy that is of George. Yeah. But

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: so then, I mean, he wanted to preserve

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: his job, I get it. But like, he

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: should have been fired that Oh,

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely. 100%.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Or, hey, you. I mean, if he's not

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: fired, then she should get at least a

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: partial refund. I'm not saying

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_03]: something. Yeah, the whole thing was

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: very unfair.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Like, it just felt like, you

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: know, she was being taken advantage of.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But all right. So and then we get

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: into we'll get into, I guess we'll

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: say the the big crux, right? What

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Jen actually needs instead of not being

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: cast in Jesus Christ Superstar. Yeah.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: In primary school. That was that was

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: lame, even for Jen, because she

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: already had had to confront the fact

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that her issues were daddy issues. So

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and she already had a little bit of

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: a confrontation with Martin. Right.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So for her to backtrack and act

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: like that never happened in this

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: episode just didn't really ring true

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: to me. But it allowed for the

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: silliness of her being in Cassius

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: play at the last minute. So

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, it was I mean, I didn't. I

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: wasn't a big fan of the I felt like

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: like you said, I think that she

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: backslid quite a bit and it didn't

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: make any sense. And I'm not going to

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: blame lazy writing. I'm just gonna

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: say that I wasn't a fan.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That said her moment in the play,

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was pretty dead on but

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, Cassius being all like,

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: don't go don't die. And she has to

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: say like, it's okay, you'll learn

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: from this or whatever. And then

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_03]: she has that very clear like, oh,

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: this actually applies to me in my

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: situation moment and has the

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: little public meltdown. It did

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of get us over that hump and

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: past her having the realization

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: that that's what her issue is.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I did like that. I did I

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: did enjoy that and how she kind

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: of made it about her story. And I

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, I did end up appreciating

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that. Because I thought it was

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of it was you know, it was

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: applicable and it wasn't just

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: dumb. So yeah, I was I was good

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: at that.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Such a Jen thing to do to like

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: meltdown on stage in front of

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: everyone in the middle of

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: someone else's thing.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But alright, so we got her

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: relationship with her mom, right?

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was funny that she could

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: tell you exactly Oh, I got fired

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: from the clinic. Oh, what did

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: you do? What did I do? Well,

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, you know,

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that's I mean, that's not

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: unexpected.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, that's the relationship

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: they have.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say not even just

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the relationship they have,

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: like I could I can appreciate

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that coming from a lot of

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: people. Now I feel like my

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: parents would have said what

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: happened. But you know, although

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: having said that I, I did really

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: appreciate Mary's response.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have I have to go.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thanks for the sympathy.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The phone call later. Oh my

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: god, that's a weapon. You

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: can't call her off, Jen,

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: call her off. Like and and how

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: far is the clinic from the

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: theater district? Because, like

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, they were there and back

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: real fast. Yeah.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like how long is this play? I

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: don't I don't quite understand.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But but so you know, they

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: appear and

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Mary, Mary, oh, I see those

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: this year. Is this your car?

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what an MOT or

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: MOD is. I think MOD right

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: MOT MOD.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was MOT. I

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: assume it's like an inspection

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: or something.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so yeah, I was like,

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: like I

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I get it. Like paying for

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: damage to your car sucks. But

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: like that was it didn't really

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: seem like a worthwhile baby.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like all we could afford

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: was this this type of car.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about how

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: much we how much is, you

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: know, elderly.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I say elderly, you know,

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: middle aged doctor enjoys his

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: car. But it was just kind of a

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: car. I wouldn't want to I

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: wouldn't want to pay for

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: damages either, especially

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, from a the mother

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: of a girl that I

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: got blamed for our consensual

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: participation in intimate acts.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that the

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: smashing was deserved.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I did like what she said about,

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, she's young and stupid

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and vulnerable. I expect her to

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: fuck up. But somebody with as

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: much like hair on your arse or

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: something like that as you

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: should know better. And like,

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, he's the he's the

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: trained professional, right?

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like and transference is

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_03]: something that happens often in

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: a counseling relationship and the

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_03]: counselor should have a

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_03]: strategy to deal with it, not

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: was it my fault? She came on to

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: me like he sounds like every

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: like predator who's like, well,

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't how was I supposed to

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: know she wasn't 18.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_03]: She wanted it like,

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, that's pretty it annoyed

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: me all over again.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, I hate this

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: guy. And I was glad Mary

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: smashed his car and I was

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: glad that Mary was doing

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: something to stick up for Jen

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and and to show love to Jen

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: because their relationship has

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: is fraught.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It is it is very fraught.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, I did agree.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I do agree that that is like

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that was actually, I would say

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: the most defensible position

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that Mary has taken for any

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: time. I would say outside of

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: when she got on the

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: gizzards side for defending

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Jen. Yeah,

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I did enjoy that.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but moving on to Jen's dad,

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: like this actually brought

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: a tear to my eye.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was a real

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: moment and beautifully

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: performed by Sophia

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oxenham. I thought

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: uh, I mean, the writing

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: there got me.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that knock knock

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: joke was fucking killer.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and the timing of it

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and yeah, it was just

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and then when you know,

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: when it when it uh,

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it focuses in on Carrie

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and her eyes aren't blue

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: anymore. Like I'm thinking

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: about it now.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I have chills and I'm like

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and Carrie has tears

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: in her eyes and

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're like, are those

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Martin's tears or Carrie's

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: tears? Yeah, like

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: it's both because Carrie is

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_03]: she knows better than anyone

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: what Jen is going through

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in that moment because she was

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_03]: there with her.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: No wonder Jen is so attached

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: to Carrie. Carrie knows

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: more about Jen than anybody

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: on the planet.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like it was

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it was hard. That was

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: that was I mean, this

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: one actually no shit

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: like I was I brought

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: tears in my eyes because

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like fudge.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's interesting.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a parent unless

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: you count my cat.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but you are you

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: have three kids and

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_03]: for you in a moment like

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: that, are you thinking

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: about it as a from

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: the parents perspective?

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Like were you more

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: identifying with Martin

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_03]: in that moment or with Jen?

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would say in

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that moment I was

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: identifying with Jen

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: even though I saw

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it coming.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I had I have fortunately

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: not had to say goodbye

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: permanently to my father.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Or my mother and

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: um, and if they were

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: just gone like that,

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like I turn around

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're you know,

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: they were standing there

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they weren't.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, even if I,

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, quote unquote

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: knew that they that

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I needed to go.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: it will hit me hard.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I lose either of

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: my parents and

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: uh and so yeah, I was

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I was definitely in Jen's shoes.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I am also

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: a logical soul, so

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well,

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Martin had to go

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like he was doing

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: what was best for his daughter

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and not dot her,

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but hurt his daughter.

[00:33:15] Um,

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_03]: it was his final

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: act of love for her.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not just going,

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but going cleanly, right?

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Being like you're right,

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to go and then going

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was done.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I mean,

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like in the dad joke

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: to knock it out,

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean to the to me,

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that was just adorable.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it was.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It was the best

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and the worst version

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: of that joke.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: it was the perfect thing

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: for him to do to leave

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and to leave Jen

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: with this feeling of hurt

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: like this feeling of

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: like pure Martin

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: right in that moment.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he got a good goodbye.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he like he got the best death scene

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: you could get.

[00:34:00] Uh,

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you left on his own terms

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and what I really loved about it

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: was that as soon as

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: he opened his eyes,

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: he knew

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like he recognized

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: he was like, oh,

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it's time.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's time.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And like and like that scene was

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that scene was hard

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you know,

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Mary was so supportive.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what to do.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I made sandwiches.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was adorable too.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there is a certain type of mom

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_03]: who went in doubt feed.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're just like,

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to feed you.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to feed you.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't really my mom,

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: but there are many moms

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: like that out there.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Huh?

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so now that I've completely destroyed

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: my emotional range.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, cool.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Cash just sort of

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: bails on the musical during

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: what I guess is like the third act

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: because there were two intermissions.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really understand again,

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: like they don't interact

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: with the audience,

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: so the audience doesn't even react

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: when he's like, let's go get pizza

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and they all leave like

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_03]: there's nothing from the audience,

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: which is weird.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, like I would have been relieved

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and honestly

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: there shouldn't have been more than

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like two people left in the audience

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: by the end of the play, right?

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it should have been

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: every time they showed the audience.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: There were fewer people

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: because it was horrible play.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so they all go back to the house

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're having pizza

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know, Jen tries to do her powers

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and there's that like dumb fake out scene

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_03]: with the exploding rapist head.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, paper mache rapist

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and uh, and then why her mom

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted to get rid of a microwave

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't clear.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I also am not sure what white goods are.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's like appliances, I think.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, OK.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe that's like betting,

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, like how there's

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: like a white sale that means betting.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Large amounts of goods

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: used domestically,

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: such as refrigerators

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and washing machines,

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: typically white in color.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so appliances.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the sign with the prices

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: did not match what he charged her.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the sign said white goods 15

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and then he charged her five.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: What?

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she told what she was going

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: for the cell phone, although she

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: she's holding a microwave.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She also had a microwave.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Treasured memories.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Five pounds.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Or five.

[00:36:38] Yeah.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And then like if you want to jump in there,

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll look away for 20.

[00:36:43] Yeah.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, why would you bother

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: to have someone look away?

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: If your desire is to jump into a void

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: that for all you know, just like

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: shoots you into outer space

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: or something, just run up there

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and jump in.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Just do it.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Who cares?

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's you know,

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you're trying to kill yourself.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's looking at his phone anyway.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, who cares?

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah,

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_03]: that platform that she's standing on,

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: it's even the first time

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I watched this episode,

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh,

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: there's still no safety rail.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I remember you,

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember you discussing

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: discussing it in the void episode.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It made me so uncomfortable.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But then so we do end up,

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, she yes,

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: she falls in,

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, again,

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: check off void

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and she does eventually fall in

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: because cash opened

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the microwave and it tapped her.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it like knocked her off balance.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, knocked her off balance

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: by opening the microwave door.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: She isn't moving.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't trip on anything.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Pop. Oh, oh,

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and then and then he can't rewind her,

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: which was interesting.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Like why?

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That was weird.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Why couldn't he rewind far enough

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to to save her?

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it some quality of the void?

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Was he out of juice?

[00:38:03] Unclear.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sorry.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But the the yawn.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do not know.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and so we do get her post credit scene

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: or mid credit scene

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever the hell we call it.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and she recognizes

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: either where she is

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: or what's in front of her.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Right? We don't see much.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_03]: She lands in the grass.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's daylight, right?

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Because the void, it was nighttime.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So wherever she's gone to is daylight.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And she looks up and she says,

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_03]: you got to be shitting me.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So she and she read

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: you could tell from her face.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: She recognizes what she's looking at.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm wondering if it's

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_01]: what was the town that they

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: that they had Milton Keynes?

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was Milton Keynes.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, has she been sent

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to a completely different country?

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Is she sent back in time?

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Is she sent to where her dead father is?

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's so many places that could go.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's going to be something more mundane, I think.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I I'm interested to see what it is,

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: although I wish we'd seen a little bit more.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, thank you.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We know that Jen's not dead

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: or just gone forever.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But this isn't that kind of show.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was never really afraid of that.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so like I'm interested.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not must see TV for me.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't the end of season one of Lost.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Where my God, Mike Walt, Mike Walt.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll never recover from that.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And there hasn't been,

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, any news yet about whether or not

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: it's been picked up for season three.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we may never find out where she went.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's I

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I am if we have not heard that that is the case, then I.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Based on this season, unfortunately, I.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't have high hopes.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is unfortunate because they

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it I feel like if they if they kind of get their feet off

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: back from back under them, it could be really, really good.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's so much potential and there are so many things

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that we never like finished dealing with or addressing.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And there are all those hints about a conspiracy

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: or something going on.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there's so much that we don't know about this world yet.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless she just woke up from the coma she was in.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But why in the grass?

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of a bitch.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But extraordinary movie and it was all just a dream. Yeah.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that about wraps up my comments.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, let me see.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: No, that's everything I have.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. All right.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So other news.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So where can you see the rest of this talented cast?

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the rest of it all.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Where else can you see these people

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're not watching extraordinary anymore?

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. So if you've enjoyed the cast like we have,

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I looked up where what a bunch of them are up to next.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So Bilal Hasna

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_03]: is going to be in the upcoming Lord of the Rings movie,

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The War of the Rohirrim.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And that is coming out, I think, in December this year.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to cover it on the cast of the rings.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: He is also in Three Body Problem on Netflix

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and a show called Dead Hot on Tubi that is really funny.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And I watched the whole thing and I really liked it.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't realize he was in Three Body Problem.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he has a huge role, but he's in it.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Merede Tires is in a show called My Lady Jane

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_03]: that's on Amazon Prime and that's on right now.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And it looks good.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't watched it yet, though, but it looks it's

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_03]: another yet another sort of like slightly modernized

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: tale about British royalty.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just a little overdosed on that genre,

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: so I haven't watched it at all.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So Sophia Oxenham is in pre-production on a TV

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_03]: miniseries called A Very Royal Scandal about Prince Andrew.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And Michael Sheen is playing Prince Andrew.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Michael Sheen.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Luke Rolison just wrapped on a film called Two Big Feet.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's about like one character is obsessed

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_03]: with finding like Bigfoot

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and the other main character is his best friend

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and like fakes Bigfoot so his friend can discover him or something.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounded like it's probably pretty silly and funny.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Siobhan McSweeney plays Mary is in the show Dairy Girls,

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: which is on Netflix, among a bunch of other things.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's very award winning and and has done a lot

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and on of British shows.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Abraham, Abraham Popula, who plays Adé

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_03]: is in a movie that just came out like a couple of weeks ago

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_03]: on Netflix called Atlas.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And he has a bunch of other little parts and other things.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He's he's got a lot going on.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And Olivia Marcus, who plays Megan, is in the show Bad Education,

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: which is on Brit Box Prime and Tubi.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to check that out.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Bad education.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Bad teacher and sex education and mixed together.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You mixed together and I and I want to see more of Megan.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love you, Marcus.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think she's incredibly talented and I would really like to see her

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_03]: see other stuff she's doing.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm probably going to check that out as well.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But all right.

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[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You absolutely killed it.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: We are so proud of you for making it to the end.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_03]: As I mentioned earlier, there's no word yet on whether or not

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: there will be a third season if there is.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Greg and I will probably be back for it.

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[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and so one of my favorite,

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: probably my favorite comedy ever being Ted Lasso.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben and Kristen are wrapping up.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We've literally got to have two episodes left of Ted Lasso.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're starting in on The Good Place, which I also loved.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I am a huge The Good Place fan.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say like that's that's on par with Ted Lasso.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't hit as many emotional beats for me as Ted Lasso did.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But but The Good Place was an excellent story beginning to end.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Kristen Bell and I'm not even

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember the actor Ted Danson.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I eventually Jason Manzoukas

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and I can't remember who played she who played Titania.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Jamila Jamil.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, Jamila Jamil.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And William Jackson Harper. Oh, yeah.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Jackson Harper.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I can't remember his name.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah. So I started skipping around.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But like, it's it's such a phenomenal show.

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[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But it very well may not be.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. We'll see.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's kind of a kind of nihilist attitude to have.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, when when when things go down, things go down.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But in the meantime, knock, knock.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's there?

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Toodle. Toodle who?