24: Pre-Season Six Catch-Up

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Huh. It's the girl! Luke. What? No, June. Listen, I did what I was supposed to do. Luke. What am I gonna do? Let him run over you? Let you die in a street? Luke. What? We have to run. What? We waited last time.

[00:00:29] And we waited too long. And we didn't see how much they hated us. And then we lost Hannah. Are we just gonna forget about her now? We will never, ever forget about her. But we cannot help her if we are dead. It's changing, Luke. This country is changing. No, Canada's not Gilead.

[00:01:00] America wasn't Gilead. Until it was. And then it was too fucking late. Luke. We have to go. We have to run. Hey, everybody. Welcome to our podcast. I'm Wendy. And I'm Jason.

[00:01:29] And this is The Handmaid's Tale Podcast. Yeah. The Handmaid's Tale Season 6 comes out next week on Tuesday, April 8th. That's crazy. I know. Next week. Woo! Three episodes. So in this episode, we're catching you up on what happened up until now on The Handmaid's Tale to get you ready for this final season. Yeah. In case you didn't feel like binging it lately. Yeah.

[00:01:56] Daphne is away being a photographer at the World Figure Skating Championships in Boston, but she should be back with us next time. Yep. So we've been talking a little bit about how we're going to approach the show because things have changed since we last podcasted and we think our approach should change a little bit too. And we want to be upfront about it so you guys can know if you still want to listen to this podcast.

[00:02:24] If you listen to the most recent episode we did, which was last fall, you know where we stand politically. And with the way things are right now in the country and with the show being what it is, we decided we want to be more open about our thoughts about how things are going in the United States and in the world and things like that. I don't, it's not going to be full of it.

[00:02:49] I think the main body of the podcast is still just going to be our usual breakdown of the episode of the week, but we might pepper in some thoughts about how things are similar or different to what's happening in the real world. Uh, maybe, you know, if we think it makes sense, uh, but I think mostly it'll be about the show, but we're going to add a segment at the end where we do talk about at least one issue where we think, you know, for example,

[00:03:16] things are comparable in the real world to the handmaid's tale and we'll have some resources and things you can do if you're feeling like you want to do something, if you want to fight back or whatever like that. So, um, we'll, you know, that's at least how we're thinking about it right now. We'll have to kind of get into it and see how it goes. Yep. And we did that partially in previous seasons, but I feel like we're just going to feel a little freer too. Yeah.

[00:03:46] Yeah. Cause we want to, we don't want to pretend like this is all fantasy cause it doesn't feel like that anymore to us. Well, and we know that Margaret Atwood has repeatedly said that everything in her book is based on history. Yeah. You know, we're also, I mean, we have a segment, uh, later on in this episode we're doing right now about our hopes for next season, but I just feel like it should be said right now.

[00:04:14] Cause that was sort of a bummer when I just said that I'm hoping that this season is going to be inspirational. I'm really glad that Handmaid's Tale has moved into it fully into its rebellion phase and out of what the first few seasons were, which was just June suffering all the time. I know that it'll still be that, but it's more about fighting back. And if we're going to watch the Handmaid's Tale in this environment, we need it to be that. I feel like. Yes. Yep.

[00:04:43] You know, and, and, and, and our podcast art is, is a representation of what we want the show to be. Yep. All right. So what we're going to do is, uh, we're going to go through summaries for each of the first four seasons, just to remind you guys what they were about. And then for season five, the most recent season, we're going to go episode by episode, read summaries and just maybe talk a little bit about things that stood out to us. Okay. All right. We want to go first. Sure.

[00:05:13] Season one. In a dystopian future, the totalitarian regime of Gilead has replaced the United States after a fertility crisis exacerbated by ecological disasters and a violent coup. Women are stripped of rights and fertile women called handmaids are forced into reproductive servitude, otherwise known as sexual slavery.

[00:05:38] The story follows June Osborne, a handmaid assigned to commander Fred Waterford and his wife, Serena Joy. June navigates brutal oppression, forms alliances like with fellow handmaid Emily and housemaid Rita and clings to hope of reuniting with her daughter, Hannah and husband, Luke, who escaped to Canada. The season ends with June pregnant with the child of the water.

[00:06:05] The season ends with June pregnant with the child of Nick Blaine, the Waterford's driver and a secret eye being taken away in a black van, leaving her fate uncertain. And that's where the first novel ends as well. Yep. And that was a very good representation of the novel that first season. Yeah, it was amazing. And at the time I was like, oh, maybe it's better that we don't have any more handmaid's tale because this leaving it uncertain like that. This is it's more of a warning.

[00:06:34] We don't want this show to be a catharsis. We want it to be a warning. So we'll never do anything like it. And now I need some catharsis. I need to see an example of a good rebellion. Yep. Okay. Okay. Season two, June's rebellion grows as she briefly escapes the Waterford, but is recaptured and remains under Gilead's control. She gives birth to her daughter, Nicole, and with help from unexpected allies, including a reluctant Serena, entrusts the baby to Emily, who escapes to Canada.

[00:07:03] I forgot that happened so quickly. Gilead's cruelty intensifies with executions, mutilations, and a handmade suicide bombing at a new red center. Well, that was pretty exciting. Meanwhile, Luke and Moira, June's friend, adjust to life as refugees in Canada. In the end, June has a chance to escape, but chooses to stay behind, determined to find Hannah. Season three summary.

[00:07:26] June emerges as a resistance leader in Gilead, organizing the daring escape of 52 children to Canada through a clandestine network. She's hardened by the regime's brutality and personal losses. June, a Martha who cared for June's daughter, Hannah, and helped June secretly see her, is captured and executed by hanging for her involvement. June forges bonds with handmaids like Alma and Janine, who support her mission despite the risks.

[00:07:56] Serena Joy, seeking leverage, betrays Commander Fred to Canadian authorities, believing she'll be reunited with Nicole, only to be arrested herself. During the escape mission, June is shot by a guardian but survives, rescued by other handmaids. In Canada, Luke raises Nicole, struggling with June's absence and the uncertainty of her fate. Yeah, I feel like this is the way to do this. Just get through those really quickly.

[00:08:24] And I'm like remembering things. I kind of forgot about her getting shot. She's had a tough row. Yeah, yeah. But that was so exciting when she saved all those kids and then they got to Gilead and Luke was there hoping that June would be on the plane, but she wasn't. Season four summary. After escaping Gilead and spending time in Chicago, June is extracted to Canada. But struggles with trauma and guilt.

[00:08:51] She seeks justice for Gilead's crimes and helps secure Fred's arrest. But when he's traded back to Gilead in a prisoner exchange, June and a group of former handmaids take revenge, brutally killing him in no man's land. That was the best moment in all of the show. I just rewatched that episode yesterday. That was good. That was crazy. Yeah. Meanwhile, Serena, pregnant with Fred's child, tries to maintain control over her fate despite her growing isolation.

[00:09:19] Gilead tightens its grip with Hannah now a symbol of the regime regime's future. June, Luke and Moira face an uncertain path as refugees while Gilead's influence creeps into Canada. One thing that stood out to me especially about that season is June in the grocery store with just being overwhelmed by all the commercialism and choices and everything. Crazy PTSD.

[00:09:43] Which reminds me so much of a book I read about a journalist that spent a lot of time in Russia and then she got involved with a man in Russia and brought him over. And like how just fascinated and amazed he was with the stores. That was his biggest thing because they just, you know, they're lucky to get stuff, much less have choices. I can imagine.

[00:10:11] I mean, it's sort of like any of us just going to Vegas, you know, with all the lights and everything. It's like, whoa, overwhelming. All right. So now we're moving into season five episodes. We have season five, episode one, which is entitled Morning. Following Fred's murder, a euphoric June confesses to Luke and Moira her involvement and drives to a diner to meet the ex-handmaids who helped her, including Danielle, Tyler, and Vicky.

[00:10:39] June begins experiencing symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder and becomes agitated when the emboldened handmaids begin asking for her help in hunting down the people who also abused them in Gilead. When June declines, they condemn her for not wanting to help, calling her selfish. After noticing that Emily was gone missing, June drives to Emily's home where her wife Sylvia tells June that Emily has gone back to Gilead to fight.

[00:11:07] June has another episode in a washroom where she desperately tries to cleanse herself of Fred's dried blood on her body. June goes to a beach on the Lake Ontario shore and comes to terms with her actions, feeling both joy and regret. She thinks of Hannah, unwilling to live a life in fear again.

[00:11:27] June goes to confess to authorities at the police station where, despite Luke's protests, she confesses to murdering Fred and is taken away as the murder took place in no man's land. June is not charged and she is released, but is fined $88 for mailing Fred's finger to the ICC detention facility.

[00:11:48] June confesses to Luke that she loved killing Fred and to Maura that she is scared of her own eagerness for violent revenge, even while feeling disturbed by her actions. Maura tells June she is afraid of her and is uncertain about June taking care of Nicole by herself. Serena is informed of Fred's demise and Tuella gives her details of his murder. After surmising that June was responsible, she is later informed that charges will not be filed.

[00:12:16] After viewing Fred's body at the morgue, Serena witnesses a candlelit vigil being held in his memory. Upon seeing that, she demands to return to Gilead with her husband so that she can bury him there. I don't know how much of this is in this episode, but all of this is just reminding me that I felt sad for June and Luke that they weren't connecting in the way that they used to.

[00:12:43] And it seemed like June was just, you know, really traumatized and not available for that, at least to Luke. And he kind of didn't know what to do. It felt like, oh, this person who I thought was June is living here, but it's somebody else, you know? Right. It's just tragic. And she felt more connected to people that had been through the same traumas that she had been through than her husband, which is a hard pill to swallow. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

[00:13:11] But I think over, over season five, that's the one thing that we saw was the evolving of their relationship. Yeah. Through the actions, what they went through together in that season. Oh, that's probably what, yeah, brought them back together because, yeah, I remember feeling relieved when they started having moments together again. Yeah. And then, of course, they get ripped apart in the season finale, which we'll get to. But. Yeah. This show can't let anyone have anything too good for too long. No.

[00:13:41] Anything else in this episode? Um, I liked the ending season. Of course, it's Mark Twela. I like all the Mark Twela scenes, but I like the ending scene where they have this pretty intense conversation where despite like him criticizing her for doing what she did, he also expresses gratitude and awe in what she did by killing Fred. And at the end, she says, I mean, Mark says, don't let the bastards wear you down.

[00:14:10] Mm-hmm. Which I really liked that. Yeah. I was sad that Emily left. I don't remember that actress's name, but she's the one that was in Gilmore Girls. And, um, I think the reason why Emily was written out is because she didn't want to do the show anymore. And I'm not sure why. I think she wrote something about it.

[00:14:31] It was because of the COVID protocols, which were like, so with the COVID protocols, like, even though you might only have a couple days of shooting, you like had to stay there and her family was somewhere else. And that's what I had read something, but she was phenomenal. And I sort of hope we get something from her, but I don't know if we will. Because if that was all it was and she didn't burn her bridges, then maybe they can bring her back. That would be cool. Yeah.

[00:15:02] All right. Scene five, episode two, ballet. Serena returns to Gilead for Fred's funeral. She pressures commander Lawrence to make it a huge event to show the world how Gilead honors its leaders. Fred is given a grand funeral with international coverage. Luke and June attend a ballet performance. As they leave the theater, they see Hannah prominently displayed on the city's jumbotrons, presenting Serena with flowers, an orchestrated message from Serena to June.

[00:15:31] Esther shares some chocolate she stole from commander Putnam with Janine, which she secretly poisoned to kill them both. As they're eating, Esther tells Janine she hates her as she acts as a mere stooge for Gilead. They're discovered choking on blood by Aunt Lydia. What a scene. That was pretty fucked up. Yeah. But Janine didn't blame her. And I thought for sure they were both going to die. Yeah. I thought that was the end of both of them.

[00:16:00] The scene with Serena at the funeral and June watching it on the big screen TV, that was just so well done. I just watched that yesterday too, and it was so good. Didn't it kind of made it seem like you could tell that Serena knew June was watching and you could tell June knew that Serena knew? Oh yeah, it was like they were standing four feet from each other. Like they were the only people in the room for themselves. Yeah.

[00:16:28] And this season was so interesting with the two of them. Yes. The way they interacted throughout until the very end when June finds her on that train. One of the notes I took is that I think that's the core relationship of the show. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. All right. All right. Season five, episode three is called Border.

[00:16:53] A distraught Aunt Lydia prays for Janine's recovery, promising God that she will be more compassionate to the handmaids if she recovers. Janine emerges from her coma. June arranges a phone call and Nick informs her that he is now married. Nick tells her that the plum-colored dress worn by Hannah at Fred Waterford's funeral means that Hannah is now of age to attend a wives' school. And Hannah could be married off soon. And I believe she is 12.

[00:17:22] Although she wants to stay in Gilead, Serena is told by the high commanders that they want her to serve as a diplomat for Gilead in Toronto to paint a positive image of the country to the international community. But also because her status as a high-ranking unwed mother makes her ill-fitted to Gilead's caste system. Do you think that they will recast Hannah or not? They haven't so far, I don't think.

[00:17:52] But it's been two years. Probably not because it probably serves them to have her be older. You know what I mean? Even then more time that is supposed to have passed. Right. And we don't know. They might actually have some kind of a time jump or something. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah, my guess would be that they won't. Yeah. I remember being surprised that Nick had a wife and wondering.

[00:18:20] Well, you always wonder with, well, with Nick and with, shoot, who's that one commander that didn't want to sleep? Putnam. Putnam, yeah. Oh, Lawrence. That didn't sleep with his handmaid's tales. Yeah. You always wonder how good of people they are or not. Yeah, I feel like we haven't fleshed out Nick and Rose's relationship yet. Like, we can't quite figure it. He seems to, like, tell her everything.

[00:18:50] Like, everything. And it seems like she might be a resistor, but it's just not clear yet. Mm-hmm. And she is pregnant. And she's disabled, which is interesting in some way. Mm-hmm. Because you would think that with Gilead being what it is, that that might not be okay or something. Right. But also with Gilead, you know, every womb is worthwhile. Right.

[00:19:20] That's the high priority. Yeah. Okay. Season 5, Episode 4. Dear Offred, a supporter of the Sons of Jacob sees June in a park and the two verbally battle one another. That's in Canada. Yeah. Janine is able to walk after doing physical therapy. Lydia condemns Esther for the suicide slash murder attempt, but Janine doesn't. She finally tells Lydia the truth. The women imprisoned by Lydia hate her. Surprise, surprise.

[00:19:47] Uh, Serena is released from custody of the government of the United States in exile. She commences her efforts to erect a Gilead cultural center in Toronto. June receives an invitation from Serena via post to attend the grand opening of the Gilead cultural center. And Luke subsequently arranges to meet Serena in order to tell her that he's attempting to have the embassy closed for the violation of building, building ordinances.

[00:20:12] June later arrives at the embassy amidst an argument between Sons of Jacob supporters and those protesting them, including Moira, Daniel, and Tyler. After a loyalist punches Moira in the face, June fires a gun in the air, causing a panic. Serena is rushed out the back of the building by her bodyguard, but they run into the fleeing June and Luke. June has a perfect opportunity to shoot Serena, but freezes when she sees Serena's pregnancy and runs away instead. That was intense. Yep.

[00:20:42] They didn't, these, um, summaries didn't really cover, or was that in the season before how Serena was sort of held captive by that family in Canada for a while? No, that's this season. It's later this season. Oh, it's later. Yeah. So this is the episode where she basically chooses to do that. Oh, just because of all this stuff, she's scared. So she wants to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:07] So she could have, you know, Mark Tuella offered her, she would be free to live in Canada as a free citizen, but she chose not to do that. And she chose to be this Gilead representative and she put herself in the hands of the wheelers. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:28] And yeah, it's, it's like how she wrote all those books that had what became a lot of Gilead's values. And then when they were instituted, she was not allowed to read those books legally. That's right. So she shot herself in the foot and she did the same thing here. And, uh, you wonder how many times she'll keep doing stuff like that. Mm hmm. Yep. All right.

[00:21:55] Season five, episode five, fairy tale. June and Luke embark on a dangerous quest into no man's land to meet a guardian who has information about the wives school that Hannah is attending. They meet the guardian and spend the night drinking and listening to music with him in the abandoned bowling alley where he spends his days when not patrolling. At night, they attempt to take a shortcut back to Canada, but the guardian steps on a landmine, alerting others to their presence.

[00:22:25] Luke and June run for the border, but are apprehended by men in black trucks. Meanwhile, Serena gets to know her new hosts, the Wheelers, who seem a little too interested in her pregnancy. Putnam and Lawrence discuss the future of Gilead, which Lawrence wants to liberalize with a plan he calls New Bethlehem, while Putnam insists no such plan will ever happen in Gilead. I just remember the whole bowling alley scene.

[00:22:52] It seemed so lovely, but I was anxious the whole time because I thought people were going to break in and bust it up or something. I feel like that's every episode, pretty much. It's just anxiety. But especially if anything good is happening. Yes. And I kind of forgot to mention, but in the episode before and throughout the season, we see Gilead's influence seeping into Canada. And it's just heartbreaking because you felt like, man, they finally found a safe place and then it just got infected.

[00:23:23] And so it makes me second guess my plan to run away to Canada next month. We'll have to see. I think Canada is doing pretty good. Okay. I think we're okay. I mean, I think Europe has its own security issues, you know? Maybe New Zealand is the ticket. So what else about anything else about this one? They ran from the border and that one dude got exploded.

[00:23:50] When they got captured, I think it still was pretty unclear about who captured them. So we didn't really know. Like they weren't dressed like Gilead. So it was, we didn't know. So that kind of hung on a big cliffhanger. Okay. Season five, episode six together. Serena's obstetrician invites Serena to dinner. Oh yeah. He liked her though. Serena is unsure on whether to accept the invitation. Serena and Mrs.

[00:24:20] Wheeler get into a verbal argument after Serena expresses a desire to remain a widow rather than remarrying. After insisting on being able, being able to go on a walk. She's then told to go to her room. June and Luke are captured by commander Wheeler's guard in no man's land. Oh, his guard. Okay. Located between Gilead and Canada. When Luke tries to resist, he's beaten by these troops.

[00:24:43] Commander Wheeler informs Serena that June has been captured and Serena pleads to be able to visit no man's land to witness her execution, which she believes to be the administration of justice in light of June murdering Fred. Fred, who was okay with Serena having her finger cut off because she read Luke is dumped by commander Wheeler's troops near the border while June is taken to meet Ezra and Serena.

[00:25:07] Serena asks Ezra for the gun to execute June, but Serena instead shoots Ezra and orders June to drive the car while she enters into labor. Okay. So that's all, that was all just fake, right? It was a way to escape. Well, I think Serena orchestrated all that, right? That was her intention the whole time. She just needed to get out of that house. Yeah.

[00:25:30] Back in Gilead, Esther learns that she's pregnant and Lydia wishes to know how, as she doesn't have a posting. Esther tells her that she was raped by commander Putnam. That was that scene with the chocolates. After Lydia reports the incident to commander Lawrence, who states his failure to see the distinction between it and the ceremony, much to Lydia's chagrin. Yeah.

[00:25:55] Commander Putnam is arrested on Lawrence and Nick's orders and summarily executed by the latter in front of Naomi. It is also revealed that Nick's wife Rose is pregnant. I remember being shocked by that. Nick just. Yeah. Blast him away. Yep. Yep. And it just goes to show you that no one there is safe. There's no due process. Yeah. There's no, you know, somebody can have a meeting in the middle of the night and suddenly you're the enemy. Yeah.

[00:26:25] Yeah. Although he was the enemy, but. He was. I know. I mean, that's the thing. When there's things like this where somebody gets killed or punished with no due process, whether you think it's the right thing or not, it's not a good. Thing to be happening for any of us. No. No. There could be any one of us next. That's right. Even though it was really satisfying to watch. Yes.

[00:26:52] It was also very satisfying to have Serena be told to go to her room. Like that was really great. I know. The tables turned. Yeah. And when, when she, I think it's Alyssa, I think. The mom. Yeah. When she tells her to go to her room, there's a long pause. I mean, like 60 seconds where you just see Serena's facial expressions. So good. Yeah.

[00:27:22] I wonder if that was supposed to have made her think, oh, this might be how all the women I've tortured felt. Right. Like she's so reduced and has zero power, which she certainly is not used to. Deserved. Yeah. And the whole scene with the OBGYN was just, I still, when I watched that yesterday, it was still crazy.

[00:27:43] Like he's asking her out for a date after he just massaged her perineum and like she's holding, she doesn't have pants on. So creepy. Yeah. Yeah. That, I mean, yeah, it kind of reminds me of that scene when June was being examined by a doctor and he offered to impregnate her. Yeah. And that's straight out of the novel. Yeah. Yep.

[00:28:13] All right. Season five, episode seven. I'm so excited. I have this one. No man's land. Serena forces June at gunpoint to drive her through no man's land as her contractions increase in frequency. After crashing the car, the two seek refuge in an abandoned barn where Serena's labor intensifies. Though June attempts to abandon her and leave in the car after Serena lashes out, June pities her and decides to stay, helping her deliver her son Noah.

[00:28:43] As the sun begins to set, Serena develops a fever and June insists that they return to Canada. Serena initially refuses, insisting that she does not deserve to live anymore and that she was merely a vessel to deliver Noah to a mother who deserves him, such as June.

[00:29:01] June, however, does not accept her Gileadian philosophy and convinces Serena to return to Canada and go to the hospital. While Serena is receiving medical attention in the hospital, June uses the phone to call Maura, who sends Luke to pick her up.

[00:29:21] On their way out, immigration officers called by Luke enter the hospital and arrest Serena for entering the country illegally, telling her that she will be detained and Noah will be placed with child services. Serena cries hysterically and begs June for help. In flashbacks, June attends a fellow handmaid's birth not long after being posted with the Waterfords. The handmaid experiences complications and her baby is delivered via C-section just before she dies.

[00:29:52] And June, along with Janine, Alma, Brianna, and the other handmaids are forced by Aunt Lydia to stay in the room and pray. As the mourning handmaids leave the house, June shares a knowing glance with Serena, who is celebrating the birth of the baby with the other wives. Oh, this is my favorite episode of all the series.

[00:30:15] I watched that pretty, I watched all the birthing scenes in full and like, it might be arguably one of the best hours of television, truly. Mm-hmm. And not just for the acting and the emotions, but also like, the cinematography was beautiful.

[00:30:33] I couldn't help but think like, Serena's giving birth as the sun sets and the sun is setting between the slats of the barn that they're in and you can see their faces are framed with the light. Mm-hmm.

[00:31:15] And June is just so in command and centered and fully, she's like, totally got the upper hand, you know, but chooses to be kind. Right. It was just really interesting. I mean, this episode, I said, was my favorite, but it only could be that way after everything that's come before this. Mm-hmm. And then, and afterwards, you know, I sort of wondered if their relationship would be changed after this.

[00:31:42] And, you know, if I remember right, she asked June for help and June refuses. And I think that's the right way to go because just because Serena had a moment of grace doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve to have some consequences for the horrible way that she treated June and everybody else. Right. But still, it was nice to have this moment where all of that was kind of stripped away and they were just real with each other and they connected. You know, it felt good to me.

[00:32:10] I do think the relationship is changed. Yeah. And it's changed not just because of the birth of the baby, but the whole years that they, everything they've been through together. Right. Bad and good. I do think they have an incredibly complicated relationship. And I do think that changed it. But June's not going to be Serena's savior. Yeah. Like that, that can't be who she is, at least right now. Yeah.

[00:32:39] Not yet. I mean, she did save her, but she's not going to be her champion. Just, yeah, be her best friend. And, and also like, I like, you know, I like Serena's perspective in this, of course, much better than what we've seen before from her, except for the one time when she chose to give the baby to June to take to Canada.

[00:33:01] But then she went back on that, but, um, she would have to do a hell of a lot more to be able to redeem herself if that's even possible. Don't you think Serena? Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean, there's no redeeming yourself. You can choose to move forward and be a good person. Yeah. That doesn't mean you're redeemed. Yeah. You know?

[00:33:25] But I mean, in our eyes, would we sympathize with her more if she just totally changed and tried to, as best she could to make up for everything that she did, even though it's not possible? Maybe. Maybe. It's complicated because the whole arc of her being basically a captive at the wheelers, I felt on the one hand, it was delicious to watch Serena get her just desserts.

[00:33:55] Yeah. But on the other hand, I was fearful for her. So it's both. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I remember, um, when we recorded on this episode and then, uh, Madeline called in, I, I can't remember, she had a call sign red leader or something.

[00:34:11] And, um, she was mad that I, I think she was mad that I sympathized with Serena at all because she told me later, she didn't like it that anyone would only have empathy once they went through something themselves. So Serena only could kind of see that she was in the wrong once she was stuck in her room and told to go to her room and all this. Right. Yeah. I totally get that.

[00:34:40] Like, I think looking around at people right now who don't empathize with people that are getting sent off to another country with no due process that may be completely innocent and sent to a jail there. That's something that's happening right now in America, you know, like there's something with that bad stuff going on.

[00:35:01] And, and if you can't have enough compassion for people to see that they deserve a fair trial or whatever, until you got shipped off to another country and went to jail, maybe we should ship all those. I got into an argument with a family member over when Roe v. Wade was overturned because I was really, really upset.

[00:35:22] And I got into an argument with her and she kept saying, she kept bringing up my daughters and she kept saying things like, well, you know, you live in Maryland, your daughters are going to be okay. As if, as if, as if, why do I even care about this? Right. Like, like my care only extended to my daughters and not other people's daughters.

[00:35:49] It was, it was really enlightening that she couldn't, she truly couldn't understand why I would care about people in other states. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. And it's like, a, if you care about other, how other people are treated, it's probably going to be good for you anyway, because what comes around goes around.

[00:36:18] So it's actually smart, but B, be a fucking decent person. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. There's. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Season five, episode eight, motherland. As anti-refugee sentiment builds in Canada, Luke and June wonder of staying in Canada is the right choice for them.

[00:36:40] Commander Lawrence establishes his settlement of new Bethlehem on an Island where he says Gileadian refugees will be able to return and live freely as a way of easing diplomatic tensions with the rest of the world. He travels to Toronto or Toronto, where he offers June the chance to move to new Bethlehem and promises to move Hannah there too. After she's married off. While June strongly considers this offer, Luke vehemently rejects it. Luke vehemently rejects it.

[00:37:07] As June becomes more convinced that she must return to Gilead to save Hannah, a strange envelope arrives in the mail with a DVD with a video of Hannah's wife's school on it. Mark Toelo and the Americans use the video to track Hannah's location and tell June they will conduct a military raid and rescue the girls. Meanwhile, Serena is in immigration detention where she pumps breast milk to give to the wheelers to feed Noah as their foster family.

[00:37:34] Now Lawrence tells Serena he can get her out, but only on the condition that she stay with the wheelers to breastfeed Noah. She calls June who visits her to tell her that they are not friends and that if she wants out of detention, she should move back in with the wheelers and plot her revenge. Serena is released into the wheelers custody who admonish her for being a bad mother before allowing her to feed Noah. I totally forgot she went back with them. Yes. She didn't really have any other choice.

[00:38:03] They had her baby. Yeah. Yeah. That's messed up. Yeah. That whole new Bethlehem thing. Did we just kind of get the start of that and we're going to see what it means in this final season? Yeah. I mean, I feel like the season was a little hard to read for what Nick and Lawrence's true intentions were. Yeah. I guess they're trying to make it better.

[00:38:31] And we certainly criticize them for being in the program, but maybe that's the only way to change it is from the inside. One maybe criticism I have with this show is so we see, you know, the story of June and she's with Waterford. And I wondered if it was always the shows or even the books intention that Waterford be one of the main architects of all this.

[00:39:00] Maybe it was right. Because Serena Joy was always like a star. But then Nick, like he's this driver and then he becomes eventually the head of all the eyes. That seemed unreal to me. Well, in there was also they had a bunch of terrorist attacks where a lot of upper level commanders were killed. And so that's how Nick kind of rose quickly in the ranks is there were a lot of dead people.

[00:39:30] Because it just turns out that people that June knows, right? Lawrence, Waterford, Nick. Yeah. They're all like the top people in the country. Right. Right. So that seemed a little convenient. Convenient. Yeah. All right. So we are on season five, episode nine, Allegiance. The military raid on Hannah's school ends in tragedy as the fighter jets are shot down by. I can't say this word for my life. Gilead air defense.

[00:40:00] Lawrence calls June, claiming the incident was in self-defense and asks her to join New Bethlehem. But she again refuses and angrily reveals her involvement in the death of Lawrence's late wife, Eleanor. In order to receive better intel, Tuella asks June to convince Nick to be a mole for the Canadians within Gilead.

[00:40:22] Upon their meeting, Nick reveals his desire to improve Gilead's international image beside Lawrence, as well as the pregnancy of his wife, Rose. Ultimately declining the Canadian offer and professing his continued love for June, who reciprocates. To increase his position of power and protect her from Gilead law, Lawrence asks Naomi Putnam to become his new wife.

[00:40:47] Elsewhere, Serena asks Commander Wheeler to use her influence and image with Noah at the reopening of the Gilead Cultural Center in Toronto to persuade Canadians to join Gilead, which he agrees to, much to Mrs. Wheeler's outrage. At the center, as Serena is about to be sent back home without Noah, she escapes with him in tow after getting help from the Wheeler's Martha.

[00:41:13] The memorial service for the lost American pilots is disrupted by the continued anti-refugee protests, which suddenly ends in gunfire aimed at June. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember feeling pretty bummed out by that military raid failing. Yeah. Felt bad for Mark. Yeah. June.

[00:41:38] They, yeah, for every success we get and every high in this show, we get some lows. Yeah, and I'm sure, as I said, I hope that we feel inspired by this last season and that there's some catharsis, but I can't expect that we're not going to get punched in the face a few times. I'll be honest. I think we're going to get punched in the face a lot. More, yeah. I really am trying not to have any hopes.

[00:42:07] Yeah, that's a good idea. About any particular character, I just want it to be good and I know it will be. So I just want it to be good. Yeah. This season is the first one that Bruce Miller's not going to be show running. Mm-hmm. I noticed he, I think he co-wrote the premiere and he wrote the finale and Elizabeth Moss directed the series finale. Wow. So that should be good.

[00:42:36] And it's called The Handmaid's Tale, I think, the final episode. Yeah, if I know Bruce, and I think I do. Good buddy. I think he's keeping his eye on this season too. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. I think it's going to be good too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Anything else about that one? I don't think so. Serena just being masterful as always. Mm-hmm. It was great.

[00:43:03] And we don't see, so Serena gets in a car with a stranger, with her baby, and then we don't see her at all. We don't know what's happened with her. That's right. Until the very end of the show. And so that was weird. It was a little weird. We're like, where's Serena? Yeah. Yeah. But it was great, the way they positioned that. That's such a good ending. Mm-hmm. Well, we'll get to it. Okay. Season 5, episode 10, safe.

[00:43:31] June feels uneasy in Canada in the aftermath of the attempt on her life as anti-refugee sentiment increases. But Luke, did we see the attempt on her life? She got hit by that truck. Yeah. Yeah. So at the end of season 9, they're at a memorial service for the pilots. Oh, the shooting. Oh, yeah. And she's talking with a little girl. Yeah. At the very front.

[00:43:55] And then all of a sudden you hear gunfire and she grabs the little girl in ducks and you see the American, I mean, great imaging. This show is just the best. It's the American flag and bullet holes are just shot into the flag. Wow. Okay. Number 10, June feels uneasy in Canada in the aftermath of the attempt on her life as anti-refugee sentiment increases. But Luke reassures her that they're fine as she's walking. Oh, this is what I was thinking of.

[00:44:25] As she's walking outside, a truck with a Gileadian bumper sticker runs into her before running over her arm. Before the truck can crush her, Luke intervenes and beats the driver severely. And June is rushed to the hospital. Meanwhile, Nick worries more and more about June's safety, knowing that Gilead will not stop until she's dead. He decides to accept Tualo's offer of being a mole in order to protect June. After visiting June in the hospital, Nick returns to Gilead and punches Lawrence at his wedding, blaming him for the attack.

[00:44:55] While Nick sits in jail, Rose visits him and says that she knew he still loved June and tells him she's done with him. I forgot about that part. Yeah, I kind of did too. No. Janine is told by Aunt Lydia that she will be posted with Commander Lawrence and Naomi. Initially open to the idea of spending more time with her daughter, Janine lashes out at Naomi when she's called of Joseph by her, telling Naomi that that is not her name and that she hates her.

[00:45:22] As a result, Janine is later arrested by the eyes, along with a Martha from Lawrence's household who was seen giving Janine information about June's safety. It was really good when she said that to Naomi, but I was also worried for her. Mm-hmm. Back in Canada, the driver who attacked June dies as a result of Luke's beating and Rita informs him that the Toronto police will issue a warrant for his arrest.

[00:45:46] Luke brushes it off as an overreaction, but June insists that they can't wait until it's too late to leave like they did in Boston during the rise of Gilead. They initially plan to fly from Toronto to Honolulu via Anchorage, but Tualo arrives to inform them that the police will be waiting for them at the airport. Instead, he offers them new travel documents and offers them passage on a train bound for Vancouver from where they can take a boat to Hawaii. While in the queue at the train station, the two see police checking documents.

[00:46:16] Realizing June and Nicole cannot get to safety with him, Luke stays behind and is arrested while they board the train. While on the train, June hears another baby cry and finds Serena and Noah on the train as well. The last person she probably wanted to see. Yeah, I forgot. Okay. So the reason why Luke's in trouble is because he beat up the guy that ran over June. Right.

[00:46:44] But he was arrested by Canada. Yeah. Not Gilead. So he might be okay. Okay. Yeah. But there's, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, he might get shipped back to Gilead too. Right. I don't think so. He wasn't a citizen of Gilead. He was a citizen of America, but I don't know. Oh yeah. You never know. Yeah. He escaped Gilead. Yeah. Yeah. You don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And now there's all this anti Gilead refugee sentiment, you know? Yep.

[00:47:15] So we'll see. That was a good season though. That last scene on the train is just phenomenal. Yeah. I loved it. I was really dreading rewatching these just because of the current political climate. But when I did, I felt better about things. Like, I love this show. It's so well done. And that comes out first.

[00:47:42] That's why, just because you enjoy watching it, that's why you felt better about it? I mean, I can watch the show and not think first about what's happening in politics today, which is what I was worried about. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. Yeah. It's good to know. I mean, yeah, reading through this, there's just a couple moments where I'm like, oh yeah, there's kind of stuff like that. But mostly I was just imagining watching the show and doing it.

[00:48:11] And we've always talked about those things like the scene where Serena is in the detention center and her baby is somewhere else is plucked right out of, you know, four years ago when we were separating. I'm sure we will again, when we were separating families. Yeah. Children from their mothers. Some of which have never been reunited or have their identities have been lost. And yeah, because they didn't bother keeping records.

[00:48:41] Right. Right. It's just insane. But yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, if it wasn't already evident to everybody who's listening, you know, we're I imagine a lot of you guys are like, we are just like, do we want to watch this show right now? You know, but, um, right. I'm excited to find out what happens next. I know that at least. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

[00:49:08] Well, that kind of leads us into any hopes for season six that we might have that we haven't, um, said yet. Do you have anything that you're particularly hoping for besides that it's good? Yeah. I, I just, um, I've read testaments, so I feel like that impacts me. Yeah. And I was just, I was going to say that too, like we know they're making a series of it. And so that means we probably have a general idea of where things go are going, but we don't want to spoil anyone.

[00:49:35] So I just generally hope that it's as good as it has been. And most of all, I do still hope that we can be inspired by it, but that's, if it's that those two things, I'll be happy. I hope Emily comes back. Yeah, that's true. Um, certainly I want all our people to live to the end, but that might be unrealistic. Janine. Luke. Yeah. Nick can die. It's okay. No, I'm just kidding. No comment. Yeah.

[00:50:04] I, I, yeah, I hope Janine, my goodness, everything she's been through. Um, yeah, I, I, I would love some happy endings, but I don't think I'm unrealistic. Yeah. I mean, I think most shows, you know, we, we watched a lot of dark shows. So we're like, well, you know, hopefully it'll be a happy ending. We know it'll at least be bittersweet. And here I'm like, if we can just get to bittersweet, that would be great. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:36] That would be a ray of sunshine. I am a little worried, you know, that because there is a sequel. Yeah. They may end this one on a dark, and I don't say this knowing anything. I just think like they may set this up. Yeah. Darkly. And then, and then Testaments will be the, the extension. You got to watch it to keep finding out. So I'm a little worried about that, but I, I am along for the ride and I trust.

[00:51:06] Mm-hmm. I mean, the total opposite of this show that podcast also covers is, is Cobra Kai. And that series just ended and they've talked about wanting to do spinoffs, but they ended it in such a satisfying way. And we were worried about that on that show too, that because they want to promote the spinoffs, they might leave us wanting more, man. It was so satisfying, but I still would watch the spinoff.

[00:51:32] So hopefully Headmaid's Tale, I mean, we're going to watch Testaments no matter what, please don't do that to us. Right. I think I've been pretty good lately with just letting a show take me where it wants to go and not having, you know, not being married to certain things like Daenerys is a good person or Shauna is a good person or, you know, so I think I, I think that has served me better to be like that. Yeah. That's a good way to go into it. All right.

[00:52:02] Before we end, we're going to do what I said we were going to do earlier, which is have a segment where we just talk a little bit about the state of things and maybe a suggestion on what people can do if they want to try to have some kind of an impact. So Wendy, do you have an example of how the Trump administration is trampling our rights? Yeah, I'll talk about it. It's really hard to talk about it.

[00:52:28] There's so much going on and it feels chaotic and unstable and unsafe. But I'll talk about what I prepared. Trump and his administration are behaving like we've never seen another administration behaving, even theirs, their previous one. felt very different than this.

[00:52:52] He is withholding federal funds and threatening to sue or to otherwise get revenge on anyone and any organization that does not do what he wants them to do. He's using the power of the presidency to demand loyalty from everyone in the country, every company, every organization.

[00:53:21] And like even all any Republican who has like our country is supposed to be representative. So maybe some Republicans, people in district don't like something that Trump is proposing. But if you're a Republican in Congress and you go against any single thing that he says, then he will try to he will endorse another candidate or threaten to and get try to get you voted out.

[00:53:49] And Elon Musk might swoop in and pump a bunch of money into the other person's. And they're going to publicly call you out on their social media. Ruin your career. Ruin your career. And and your family is going to get death threats and you're going to have to hire a security team. That's what's happening. Yeah. And judges get that. Uh huh. Yeah.

[00:54:09] I mean, the current judge that just voted against his deportations, he has who I believe is a lifelong Republican and has, you know, been on the bench for like 30 years or something like that. And and has been involved in some groundbreaking, important cases has now been labeled a left wing liberal terrorist. Like that's what they're doing.

[00:54:39] Um, and then their minions go after them. It's very Orwellian because it has no, no basis in truth. If if you are against Trump, then he labels you as failing or, you know, lunatic, no matter what the truth is. And if you're for him, then you're good. And that's all that matters. Nothing else really matters to him.

[00:55:01] And he wants to criminalize people that protest the things that he's for or people that protest him or, you know, companies that don't abide by his policies, even though they're not legal. But I'll just go on.

[00:55:23] He wants to end diversity, equity and inclusion in America and really in the world as he has extended this to other countries that have any dealings with us. I think just yesterday he demanded something of France government because they deal with us. They have to get rid of their DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion policies.

[00:55:47] Um, federal agencies have been scrubbed of anything that whiffs of diversity or mentions women and people of color or LGBTQ community. Um, and just an example of this is images of the B-29 aircraft that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima have been removed from, um, federal agencies because the name of the aircraft had the word gay in it, the Enola gay.

[00:56:15] And I feel like this is pretty representative of what's happening. It's like they're using a machete to delicately peel a peach. Yeah. And they want to say that it's because they're merit based and they don't want anybody to be chosen based on anything but merit.

[00:56:35] But then when you look at the incompetence of the people around Trump, where like this whole thing about this group text between, um, military leaders, well, who is it? Pete Hegseth, who's the head of the military. I forgot his title, but anyway, and they brought a journalist in to the test by accident and they weren't even supposed to be using that app to text.

[00:57:02] And, but they're only doing it so they won't have to keep records about what they're saying. Uh, it's incompetent. And you can tell that they're saying the DEI stuff is to promote merit, but when you look at what they're actually doing, it's all about who's the most loyal. And so then you realize that, no, the DEI stuff is just to keep the oppressed people oppressed, you know? Yeah.

[00:57:27] And it just feels very, I mean, Nazi, Nazi-like, white supremacist. I mean, that's, that's a, maybe a step further than a lot of you listening to me would go, but that's what I smell when I see that the way they're doing it. Oh, the comparisons. I don't know how people can't see it. Like the comparisons to the ramping up of, of, uh, what happened in Germany in the thirties. Yeah.

[00:57:53] And then sending like rounding up people who have a tattoo that was associated with a gang and sending them to a prison in another country without any due process. Maybe they got that tattoo for a different reason or it's not what they thought it was. It does seem like at least a few people who are completely innocent are now rotting in a prison in another country under horrible conditions. And, and like I said before with, uh, commander Putnam, was it that Nick shot?

[00:58:23] Like, okay, maybe some of these guys were bad, but when you get rid of due process, then Trump can come up with any reason to disappear anybody. That's where we're headed. If, if this doesn't stop. Right. And right now we can say to ourselves, well, I'm safe because I'm a U S citizen, but this is just the first layer.

[00:58:45] You know, I mean, everybody, you know, the people that don't believe what I believe every step of the way, they're like, well, he's not going to go any further, but of course then he does. Yeah. And so, you know, we don't know what's going to happen next. Somebody does, but we don't. I mean, we're, we're supposed to be a country founded on, on an idea and principles and values.

[00:59:15] And they're enshrined in this document, the constitution. And we have the system of checks and balances. And Trump is just, uh, he doesn't like anything that limits him. So he's just crashing through all of that. And if we don't have that, then we don't have our country anymore. We don't have our democracy. We're the very kind of dictatorship that this country was formed as a rebellion against. Yep.

[00:59:42] Um, so I talked about, um, that. And then like my other example was there was a private all girls school that had to cancel their, encourage a girl to be an engineer annual event because they were threatened to have funding pulled because of the, because of that event. So they canceled it. And that's where we are like an all girls school cannot have an event encouraging girls to get education.

[01:00:10] And, um, they're often acting illegally without due process. That's proven in court, um, without investigation, without research, without experts, without audits. They're just doing, I mean, within days they were firing people. Yeah. Um, canceling cancer research. Johns Hopkins just laid off a thousand workers yesterday. That's not including all the workers that have already been laid off from Hopkins.

[01:00:39] And I, I only say that because I'm, I, my hospital is affiliated with Hopkins and I live in Baltimore. So it's real, um, front and center for us. Um, they firing nuclear workers, air safety workers. They are doing so many things every single day that it's impossible for the courts and the public to keep up with. And that's the point. And often it's too late to do anything about it after the fact.

[01:01:07] So there's a passage from the final episode of season five in Handmaid's Tale that just sent chills up my spine. And at the very end, when June is talking to Luke, she says, we have to run. We waited last time and we waited too long and we didn't see how much they hated us. This country. And she's referring to Canada is changing. America wasn't Gilead until it was. And then it was too fucking late.

[01:01:35] So I don't want America to become Gilead. Nope. Yeah. It's supposed to be a fantasy, not a reality. And I feel like there's a thousand other things I could say and I'm sure we'll save it for the next few weeks. But it's, it's unending. Yeah. And I, we can't, I don't want to go through it all right now, but we'll have more that has already happened and more stuff's going to happen by the time we next time we podcast.

[01:02:01] But, um, it was my job to figure out an action to take, to tell you guys it's, it's hard to know what to do. The Democrats have no power in Congress because, uh, they don't have a voting majority.

[01:02:17] And I feel like the average person just doesn't realize that you need on any like resolution laws and things, you need a majority of people in Congress to vote for something to make it happen. So if Democrats have 49% of the people in the house of representatives and all the Republicans are together on something, then the Democrats have no power.

[01:02:44] And so people get mad at Democrats for not doing anything. And I'm like, vote more in. If you just voted a few more in, then it would be a whole different story in the Senate, in the Congress. You, you vote for the president, but you also, especially in this polarized country where Republicans won't help with anything, even if it's in their constituents, best interest.

[01:03:08] If a Democrat comes up with it, you have to vote for, so that more Democrats are in the house and in the Senate, and then they can actually do stuff. And that's all presuming that our system holds at all. You know, it's already crumbling, but anyway, um, my point in saying that is just that the Democrats don't have to do that. They're not having power in government right now, but they are, a lot of them are speaking out. They're holding town halls. They're doing social media.

[01:03:37] Um, but you know, there's not much else they can do as far as I know. Um, if we get a free and fair midterm election in 2026, then we all need to go in and vote for Democrats in the house and the Senate. And if there's any special election in the meantime, like there's off season elections, sometimes it happened, various reasons to be sure to vote in those.

[01:03:59] Um, but for now as a regular person, I think one thing we can do is to join protests because I don't think we can just be complacent. I think it's important for everyone to see that there's a lot of people who are dissatisfied about what's happening. You know, that's a mild way to put it. We're fucking pissed and, uh, that we need to keep the pressure on and not be silenced.

[01:04:26] And I hope that these protests grow and grow to record breaking numbers. I could see that happening because this is really like when you said, nothing like this has ever happened in our country before. Um, so that's my action. Join a protest. There's a site called indivisible.org. It was started in 2016 by some ex congressional staffers to help people fight back, uh, bad policies of Trump back then. And, and, um, they have lists of protests that you can take part in and I will put a link to that in the show note.

[01:04:56] You can put in your zip code and see if there's any near you coming up on April 5th. There's going to be nationwide protests under the banner of hands off, like keep your hands off our healthcare, our social security, our personal data, et cetera. And I think the biggest gathering is going to be, um, in DC near the Washington monument, but I think they're all over it. There's one near me in San Francisco at the civic center that I'm going to go to. Um, so if you go to indivisible.org, scroll down to find a local event, you can see if there's one near you.

[01:05:25] They also have a ton of other resources about how people can take action. And we'll talk more about some of that in future podcasts. Protests are popping up everywhere. There's one that's Monday here in Baltimore. Yeah. There's all that's about reproductive rights. You can go to a Tesla. Um, there's a lot of dealership protests, you know, I saw it. That's what I, when I went to that site and looked, I saw one near me and I was like, maybe I'll check that out. That would be interesting.

[01:05:52] Um, we also just now started a private Facebook group just for listeners of this podcast. The idea is a place where we can talk about the handmaid's tale this season, but also our real world situation kind of maybe a support group vibe, but also like if people have news or ideas for taking action, uh, this group is only for people who agree that the Trump administration is overstepping its bounds and heading into authoritarianism or already there.

[01:06:22] Um, because we want to be on the same page about supporting each other. That's what it's about. So we will be strict about the rule that everyone show kindness and respect for each other in there. Um, it's another experiment we're trying out. So, uh, I'll put a link to that in the show notes too. Yeah. And I think, you know, it's a tough time for people like everybody's going to have to do what's comfortable for them in that moment. You know, like right now I'm pretty much,

[01:06:52] um, not on meta because I just can't stand it any longer. I can't stand the doom scrolling. And also like, it really bothers me that some people just act like everything's normal. And I know that's me. That's not them. They're probably just doing what they have to do to get by. I totally get it. But, um, so everybody has to do what works for them. But if you,

[01:07:18] but if you feel like you want to go to a protest, there's lots of them out there. There's good organizations to donate money to, um, you know, really education and healthcare is under fire. We have to take care of each other. You know, we have to act locally to take care of our neighbors and to offer support to people. And, um, that's kind of how I feel like we're, um, I'm trying to help the people around me, you know?

[01:07:48] That's cool. And yeah, I mean, I, um, there is part of me that's like wanting to nudge people who are maybe on the fence about doing something, but for the most part, I just think, well, no, I mean, the most part, I'm just like, I know a lot of people want to know what can I do? I, I, I'm antsy. I need to be doing something, you know, for those people go to indivisible.org,

[01:08:13] find a protest. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's our show. Thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks everybody. Next time we will cover, I guess we're going to cover the first three episodes in a single podcast, right? Since they all come out at the same time. So that's season six episodes one through three train exile and devotion.

[01:08:41] Those, those all scare me titles. If you want to write in or leave us a voice message about it, you can find all our contact information at podcast.com. And we have a ton of other shows also that you can find out about if you go there, I bet you, you and I are thinking of the same one that people should check out. Yellow jackets. Yes. Yeah. I like yellow jackets season two. I was like, this is still good,

[01:09:08] but it's not, I'm not lighting my fire quite as much as season one did. And season three now getting towards the end, it's getting damn close to that. I'm really into it right now. I've loved it. Yeah. It's, it's a great show. This is a wild season. It's, it's messed up. Yes. I think somebody said that the, um, no, I'm not, I'm not going to spoil anything. Somebody said the older timeline was boring and they were like, Oh, let's fix that.

[01:09:37] Right. Right. It's like a competition now. Yeah. All right. That's our show. Thanks for listening. And don't let the bastards wear you down. Yeah.