Episode 105: LOST S06E16 "What They Died For"

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah!

[00:00:03] Hmm.

[00:00:06] Hello Kate.

[00:00:09] James. Jack?

[00:00:16] He's right there by the fire. He says hello.

[00:00:18] I heard him.

[00:00:23] Well, you can see him?

[00:00:24] Yeah, I can see him.

[00:00:26] Kate, Sawyer?

[00:00:28] You too?

[00:00:32] So you're the one who wrote our names on the wall?

[00:00:34] I am.

[00:00:35] Sun and Jin Kwon and Sae-Jaral. You wrote their names on the wall?

[00:00:41] Yes.

[00:00:42] Is that why they're dead?

[00:00:44] I'm very sorry.

[00:00:48] You're sorry?

[00:00:49] Kate?

[00:00:50] No, I want to know why. I want to know whether Sun and Jin and Sae-Jaral didn't die for nothing.

[00:01:06] Come and sit down and I'll tell you what they died for.

[00:01:14] I'll tell you why I chose them.

[00:01:17] And why I chose you.

[00:01:23] And then I'll tell you everything you need to know about protecting this island because by the time that fire burns out...

[00:01:30] one of you is going to have to start doing it.

[00:02:06] Welcome to another episode of the Revisited Podcast. I'm Ben.

[00:02:12] And I'm Kristen. This week on Revisited we are covering Lost Season 6, Episode 16, What They Died For.

[00:02:22] It is the penultimate episode of the series.

[00:02:27] It is. I'm sad.

[00:02:29] We have this and the two-part finale left, and then we wrap up our coverage of Lost after only six and a half years.

[00:02:40] Yes.

[00:02:41] After a full decade.

[00:02:45] No, it hasn't been that long.

[00:02:47] We started when the show ended and we're just now wrapping now.

[00:02:50] Yes. Yeah.

[00:02:52] There you go.

[00:02:53] It took us some time because we had some time off due to...

[00:02:59] COVID happened in between.

[00:03:01] Yeah, you know.

[00:03:03] But I'm going back looking at, let's see, the first episode of this podcast dropped on May 28th of 2018.

[00:03:13] Oh my God! So it's been like five years.

[00:03:16] Yeah, it's been five years.

[00:03:18] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:03:19] Well, with a year off in between.

[00:03:22] Well, and a lot of that had to do with the fact that there was COVID to deal with.

[00:03:27] Yes.

[00:03:28] Which you mentioned already.

[00:03:30] Yeah, I know, but I just feel really bad that it took us five years to do this.

[00:03:37] COVID mixed with anxiety and work life.

[00:03:41] The world's on fire. The shire is burning.

[00:03:44] Yeah, it still is. We've just learned to adapt to it.

[00:03:47] Yeah. We just wear extra sunscreen now.

[00:03:54] Yeah, it's a good point.

[00:03:55] But yeah, so the penultimate of the series and then we have the finale,

[00:04:00] which will be the end parts one and two in which our friend Jason from

[00:04:07] podcastica who was on with us for the pilot is joining us for the finale.

[00:04:12] Again, the next episode.

[00:04:14] I'm putting this out there now before we get to the end of this episode

[00:04:17] because sometimes I feel like some people might miss it because once they're done

[00:04:20] with the discussion, they kind of tune out.

[00:04:24] We want a lot of feedback for the finale.

[00:04:27] I'm putting that request out there now.

[00:04:29] We always get Steve, we've been getting Jason.

[00:04:34] It does from time to time.

[00:04:35] We get it does from time to time.

[00:04:36] We've had a couple other people here and there randomly.

[00:04:39] I'm putting the call out now for the finale next episode.

[00:04:43] We want to hear from you.

[00:04:46] We want to hear from you guys on the listeners.

[00:04:48] We want to know what your thoughts on the finale were when it first aired.

[00:04:53] Have they changed since listening to the podcast?

[00:04:58] What are your thoughts on our coverage of the show?

[00:05:01] You know, up until this point, are you excited about Ted Lasso,

[00:05:05] which is where we're going next, which is what we want to hear from you guys.

[00:05:09] So we're putting the call out there now right at the beginning of the episode.

[00:05:14] Send us the feedback and we'll just I'll reiterate this again at the end of the podcast,

[00:05:19] but revisited pod.com is where you can find links on how to do that

[00:05:24] or you can email us directly with either an email or a voicemail

[00:05:28] at feedback at revisited pod.com.

[00:05:30] I just I can encourage it enough this time for this.

[00:05:34] This is the series finale.

[00:05:36] We want to hear from you.

[00:05:38] So yes, please.

[00:05:41] That said, I will also put out there that as always, this is a spoiler full podcast.

[00:05:46] We will talk about things that have happened in the past and talk talk.

[00:05:51] I we might talk about things that happen in the finale as we're discussing this episode.

[00:05:56] So keep that in mind as we go forward season six,

[00:06:00] episode 16, what they died for?

[00:06:05] Where do you want to what are your thoughts where do you want to start?

[00:06:10] Oh, well, first of all, I kind of remember why the ending was so frustrating.

[00:06:18] And I think it's because

[00:06:23] for me at least, I know what what's coming.

[00:06:27] I know what's next.

[00:06:29] I know how this all ends, right?

[00:06:31] And so I'm kind of looking at it as I wish it was longer.

[00:06:36] I wish that we had a more flushed out.

[00:06:39] Like this would have been nice if this was an extended episode.

[00:06:44] I feel like we we went a lot of different places in this episode.

[00:06:48] And it would have been nice if this would have been like

[00:06:53] a full hour instead of 43 minutes.

[00:06:57] I get that.

[00:06:58] I kind of got a little bit of a sense of that too when I finished this episode in that I

[00:07:03] by the end of this episode, knowing that there's only two episodes left in the two part finale,

[00:07:10] I kind of felt like I was like, wow, like I feel like there's still so much more we have to wrap up.

[00:07:15] And I'm surprised we get it done in that finale.

[00:07:18] We do.

[00:07:20] But it still felt a little open, a little too open ended going into a finale.

[00:07:26] Yeah.

[00:07:27] And I mean, it would have been nice to have been reminded of the concert.

[00:07:30] Right.

[00:07:31] Because there's a lot because we've heard about, hey, we're going to go to a concert.

[00:07:38] We're going to go to a concert.

[00:07:38] Well, obviously we're going to the driveshaft concert.

[00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:42] If I remember correctly.

[00:07:44] So it would have been nice to have that kind of reminded to us in this episode after

[00:07:49] spending the entire last episode with Jacob, mother and man in black.

[00:07:55] Well, it is brought up in this episode.

[00:07:57] It is.

[00:07:59] But what I'm saying is it would have been nice to have seen something to remind us of

[00:08:04] the concerts that we're going to because we've also seen David playing, you know,

[00:08:08] piano at his concert and David and Jack are talking about going to the concert.

[00:08:16] But there's really no mention of what kind of a concert it is when they're

[00:08:23] talking about it.

[00:08:24] Well, and I also, if I remember correctly, I don't believe it is a drive-thru.

[00:08:27] Drive-thru concert.

[00:08:28] I believe it is simply an orchestra with Charlie Pace from driveshaft.

[00:08:34] I don't think other members of driveshaft are there.

[00:08:36] I think it's just Charlie.

[00:08:39] OK.

[00:08:40] Because I think I think he was like, I think this was like driveshaft was their

[00:08:45] favorite band.

[00:08:46] So they brought in Charlie from driveshaft to perform with Daniel's favorite band.

[00:08:51] Daniel's favorite band.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:52] Right.

[00:08:53] They brought in Charlie to perform with this orchestra.

[00:08:56] And with Daniel.

[00:08:59] Is Daniel a part of this orchestra that's playing or is he just going to the

[00:09:02] Daniel is a musician.

[00:09:04] The whole idea was that I think he wanted to play his music.

[00:09:07] Yeah, but I don't think I don't remember him being a part of the concert.

[00:09:11] Hmm.

[00:09:12] Well, we'll see you next week.

[00:09:13] Yeah, we'll find out.

[00:09:15] I actually, I plan on watching the finale two or three times.

[00:09:19] I...

[00:09:19] If I have time.

[00:09:20] Yeah.

[00:09:21] If we have a short turnaround this week.

[00:09:23] So if there's time.

[00:09:24] Short turnaround for discussion, but not for feedback.

[00:09:29] Right.

[00:09:29] We're recording.

[00:09:30] We're recording.

[00:09:31] Jason is joining us on Wednesday to record the discussion portion.

[00:09:35] But then Kristen and I are going to get back together again at the end of

[00:09:38] the week.

[00:09:39] So you still have until Friday or Saturday to leave us feedback.

[00:09:44] Right.

[00:09:46] The discussion point will be over by then, but you still have time

[00:09:48] to leave the feedback.

[00:09:50] Yeah.

[00:09:51] So I don't, yeah, I don't remember Daniel being a...

[00:09:53] Not Daniel.

[00:09:55] What is Jackson's name?

[00:09:57] David.

[00:09:57] David.

[00:09:58] That's it.

[00:09:58] I don't remember David being a part of the concert, but I guess...

[00:10:01] No, no, no, I said Daniel was a part of the concert.

[00:10:04] Oh yes.

[00:10:04] Daniel is a part of the concert.

[00:10:06] Right.

[00:10:06] No, that's what I was saying.

[00:10:07] Okay.

[00:10:08] Oh, I thought you meant David.

[00:10:09] Yeah.

[00:10:09] No, no, no, no.

[00:10:10] Daniel, I said Daniel.

[00:10:11] Yeah.

[00:10:11] Daniel is a performer in the concert.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:13] That was the whole point of his birthday party was that he wanted to play with

[00:10:18] driveshaft.

[00:10:19] Yeah.

[00:10:19] And well, but I think again, I think it's just Charlie.

[00:10:22] I could be totally wrong about that, but I...

[00:10:25] Because otherwise why wouldn't they have brought Liam and everybody else in at

[00:10:28] the same time as Charlie?

[00:10:29] Because Charlie is a mess?

[00:10:32] Well, because I think...

[00:10:33] I don't think any of the other band members came.

[00:10:35] No, I'm just...

[00:10:36] Yeah.

[00:10:37] Just making the comment that Charlie is a disaster.

[00:10:39] Charlie is a disaster.

[00:10:41] We also have not seen Julie yet, and we know that she does come back.

[00:10:45] I was under the assumption that we had met her already.

[00:10:49] Or that we were going to have seen her by this point.

[00:10:51] It's all going to be in the cafe, that coffee shop.

[00:10:54] That coffee shop is still important.

[00:10:57] I don't think they go to a coffee shop.

[00:11:00] I think it's the line will go get coffee sometime and will go Dutch.

[00:11:06] I don't think they actually go to a coffee shop.

[00:11:09] See, I thought they went to the coffee shop.

[00:11:11] Well, we'll see.

[00:11:12] Like I said, see you next week.

[00:11:14] So much for spoilers about the finale.

[00:11:17] Apparently, we don't remember it.

[00:11:19] We don't remember it.

[00:11:20] So we're going to go into it totally blind.

[00:11:23] What we do know is that Hurley gets the prize at the end.

[00:11:27] That's it.

[00:11:27] Okay.

[00:11:28] We can all go home.

[00:11:29] I want to say too, one of the things I'll start off with right off the bat at

[00:11:32] discussion of this episode is I really enjoyed the opening of this episode with

[00:11:39] Jack and David and Claire.

[00:11:41] Yes, me too.

[00:11:42] It was such a heartwarming scene.

[00:11:45] And I have to say, as much as I am, I'm loving Jack's character right now.

[00:11:50] I'm sorry, Jack, but opening a box of cereal totally counts as making breakfast.

[00:11:57] I think he was just ribbing him.

[00:11:58] I don't care what anybody says because he says that David like opening a box

[00:12:04] of cereal does not constitute making breakfast.

[00:12:06] Yes, it does.

[00:12:08] You know what?

[00:12:08] It was so sweet and thoughtful of David.

[00:12:10] You know, it really shows how far their relationship has come in this flash

[00:12:16] sideways.

[00:12:17] They're all at this.

[00:12:18] It's wonderful to see Jack settled.

[00:12:21] I know that this is just his flash sideways and he's learning.

[00:12:25] He's going to move on and let go and blah, blah, blah.

[00:12:27] But it's really nice to see Jack so settled and happy and just wonderful.

[00:12:33] And I like this, Jack.

[00:12:35] And a family with Claire there as well.

[00:12:39] Yes.

[00:12:39] Yes.

[00:12:41] And David and Claire look really happy to be there as well.

[00:12:47] You know, David's really excited that he has this new family member.

[00:12:51] Well, I told you when we talked about this last episode,

[00:12:54] like the idea of finding out that you have new family for some people

[00:12:58] like it was for me is actually rather exciting.

[00:13:01] Yeah.

[00:13:02] So yeah, it's very cool seeing that David was like that

[00:13:05] and seeing David and Claire kind of just like getting along so well,

[00:13:09] even though it's probably hasn't been any.

[00:13:11] This is the first morning she's woken up in that apartment,

[00:13:15] you know, in that house with Jack and David.

[00:13:17] So but seeing everybody together, sitting at the table after knowing

[00:13:21] everything that Jack himself has been through in reality.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:26] It was very heartwarming and it was a great way to open the episode,

[00:13:29] especially after showing us and reminding us what happened two weeks ago.

[00:13:35] Yes.

[00:13:36] With every with son and Jen and Saeed.

[00:13:40] And Lepidus, let's not forget that we also lost Lepidus.

[00:13:44] We did?

[00:13:47] No, we didn't.

[00:13:49] Lepidus flies them off the island.

[00:13:53] Lepidus was on that sub.

[00:13:56] No, Lepidus got out of that sub because Lepidus flies the plane in the finale.

[00:14:01] I only knew Lepidus was on that sub.

[00:14:03] Lepidus, we're going to look it up right now because I'm telling you right now.

[00:14:09] Lepidus survived.

[00:14:11] No, Lepidus was on the sub.

[00:14:14] Frank Lepidus first episode confirmed dead last episode, the end.

[00:14:23] Episode count back on the island season six.

[00:14:29] Here we go to the end.

[00:14:31] Presumed dead by the submarine survivors, Frank survived and made it to the ocean surface where he's found by Miles and Richard.

[00:14:39] Oh, okay.

[00:14:41] I'm telling you, he flies them off the island.

[00:14:43] Okay, all right.

[00:14:45] All right.

[00:14:45] Tell me like, Franklin.

[00:14:47] I love Miles.

[00:14:47] We lost Miles and Richard this episode.

[00:14:51] Like, it's just, Miles is like, peace, I'm out of here.

[00:14:54] And you think that he's with Widmore and Zoe and he's not.

[00:14:58] And then you see Ben and Richard, they're coming out and black smoke monitors like, bam, see you later, Richard.

[00:15:04] Okay, that's the end of Richard for now.

[00:15:06] No, for now, yeah.

[00:15:08] Right.

[00:15:08] That's what I'm saying though.

[00:15:09] It's like all of a sudden it's like we have these two characters and you think you know where they are and then they just disappear.

[00:15:16] But I love the fact that you're right.

[00:15:17] Miles is like, okay, see ya.

[00:15:20] Like, he has no qualms about anything that is happening.

[00:15:23] He has no loyalty to anybody, none.

[00:15:27] Well, and I feel like Ben, he's a soire.

[00:15:30] He has loyalty to soire.

[00:15:32] I think those two are best friends.

[00:15:35] Yeah, he spent three years with soire.

[00:15:37] So he's with the floor.

[00:15:39] So he's still on board with soire.

[00:15:41] But yeah, I mean, I like the fact that Ben gave him a walkie because he knew.

[00:15:46] Like Ben was like, I'm not going to convince you to stay.

[00:15:49] Like you want to go, go.

[00:15:51] Here's a walkie in case I need you.

[00:15:52] Yeah.

[00:15:53] Right.

[00:15:53] You know, and kind of lets him go and run off through the woods.

[00:15:58] And thank goodness he did because he would have either ended up with not lock or thrown into a tree like Richard.

[00:16:05] He's hilarious.

[00:16:07] Sorry.

[00:16:07] Like Richard's like, he wants me.

[00:16:10] I'm going to go end this.

[00:16:11] Bam.

[00:16:11] Bye.

[00:16:12] I don't need you right now.

[00:16:13] He sends him into a tree.

[00:16:18] You know, one of the other things I want to say too, since we were talking about Jack earlier is, you know, we get that opening scene with everybody at the table together.

[00:16:26] We talked a little bit about this before, but Jack's bedside manner has now carried from the flash sideways to actual reality because his bedside manner now that he has become the man of faith.

[00:16:41] His bedside manner is so much better than it ever was when he's sewing up Kate's gunshot wound.

[00:16:49] Like he's like, I'm, I apologize.

[00:16:51] This is going to hurt, but I have to do this.

[00:16:54] It's like, I already feel so much more comfortable with Jack as a doctor again than I ever have.

[00:16:59] I know.

[00:17:01] I know, you know, but he loves Kate.

[00:17:06] You know, I mean, they have, they have three years of history together.

[00:17:11] They, he is still very much attached to her, very much loves her.

[00:17:15] So I can see how that can soften him in this moment.

[00:17:22] You know, if it was a Sawyer, he'd just be like, dude, bite down on a stick or something.

[00:17:27] I'm just going to do this real quick.

[00:17:28] You know, and I think I don't know I could be wrong, but I think maybe he wouldn't be as kind and gentle with Hurley or Sawyer or Ben.

[00:17:40] You know, but this is Kate.

[00:17:42] Well, I mean, because yeah, because I mean, you know, kind of fast forwarding to the finale next episode.

[00:17:46] He that's who he's with in the church.

[00:17:48] Right.

[00:17:49] That's his, that's his end game.

[00:17:50] That's his end game.

[00:17:51] He moves on with Kate and you know,

[00:17:55] Yeah.

[00:17:56] I want to talk about, I want to talk about something that may, you probably didn't notice,

[00:18:01] but I noticed it like right off the bat.

[00:18:04] And then I started to notice it even more and more throughout the episode.

[00:18:07] I don't know the meaning.

[00:18:08] Maybe you can tell me.

[00:18:10] Okay.

[00:18:11] Cause I only, cause I've only had like an hour to really think about this.

[00:18:16] So I noticed in the beginning when Jack and Sawyer are walking through the jungle,

[00:18:19] they're both wearing the same color blue.

[00:18:22] It's not blue.

[00:18:23] It's not just they're wearing blue.

[00:18:24] They're both wearing the same color blue and except just he, you know, Sawyer is in his button down and Jack is in his t-shirt.

[00:18:33] Right.

[00:18:33] So then I noticed that, um, that Locke, Ben, Said and Hurley in both the flash sideways and on the island,

[00:18:46] they're wearing the same like pinky purple color, like rose mauve color, like a red, right.

[00:18:53] So those four are all wearing red.

[00:18:55] Sawyer, Jack and Desmond are all wearing the same color blue throughout the whole episode,

[00:19:00] both flash sideways and on the island.

[00:19:06] And Kate is in, she's in black in the flash sideways, including the dress that Desmond gives her,

[00:19:14] but she's wearing gray on the island, which is interesting to me because Jacob even tells Kate,

[00:19:22] you know, yes, I crossed your name out.

[00:19:24] However, um,

[00:19:26] It's just chalk on a cave wall.

[00:19:28] It's just chalk if you want the job, you can have it.

[00:19:30] So she's kind of a gray character at this point.

[00:19:32] So that makes sense to me, but I did notice that there's definitely a blue and a red and I, and they're so,

[00:19:41] the reds are these weird mauve color and there, it can't be a coincidence that they are all,

[00:19:48] all four of these characters are wearing the exact same shade of pinky red.

[00:19:55] So who were the characters wearing the red again?

[00:19:57] Locke, Ben, Said and Hurley.

[00:20:01] Hmm.

[00:20:03] Now I don't know what it means.

[00:20:04] Maybe you can even rewatch the episode and tell me if you see the same thing, but I just,

[00:20:11] Jack and Sawyer when they're walking through and Desmond Desmond has the same color blue that Jack and Sawyer do in the flash sideways when he's wearing a black suit,

[00:20:20] but a shirt on underneath his black suit is that really dark rich blue.

[00:20:25] Um, and Sawyer and Jack, I mean, they're walking through the woods side by side.

[00:20:30] They're wearing the exact same color shirt.

[00:20:31] It's very strange to me.

[00:20:33] I never really paid attention to it.

[00:20:35] It's not anything that I caught.

[00:20:37] Um, but we've, if we've learned anything over all of these episodes of this podcast and this series, nothing is done unintentionally.

[00:20:47] Right.

[00:20:48] And the only thing that I can think of is that Ben and Hurley are, um, you know, protectors of the island at some point.

[00:20:57] Right.

[00:20:58] And not Locke and Said are affected by the darkness and the smoke monster.

[00:21:05] Um, I don't know why Said is wearing the colors that he's wearing, but that's only in the flash sideways.

[00:21:13] Well, because we're no longer in the present.

[00:21:16] Right.

[00:21:17] Exactly. Yeah.

[00:21:17] And doesn't we haven't seen in the present.

[00:21:21] Right.

[00:21:21] And not Locke.

[00:21:23] So when you see Locke and Jack in the flash sideways at the end, when they're, when they're talking about Locke surgery, Locke is wearing a plaid, like mostly pinky red, uh, button down shirt.

[00:21:40] And Jack is wearing a dark blue, uh, striped or checked shirt.

[00:21:47] Yeah.

[00:21:47] And in that scene, they're very much man of science, man of faith.

[00:21:51] Well, I mean, and you can't really go with light and dark in that sense either because they are carrot, they are colors that aren't necessarily, they could both maybe that's it.

[00:22:03] And that blue and red could be character, could be colors that qualify as both light and dark.

[00:22:08] Hmm.

[00:22:09] Depending on how you look at it, you could have a blue that could be a light color or a dark color.

[00:22:13] You have red that could be a light color or dark color.

[00:22:16] Um, and maybe that's just it.

[00:22:18] Maybe it's maybe instead of using white and black as they've used up until this point, they're using two primary colors instead of neutral colors.

[00:22:29] Um, showing that there, there's a difference in the duality of these characters now.

[00:22:35] Hmm.

[00:22:35] It is not light and dark.

[00:22:36] It is not, you know, um, uh, contrasting colors.

[00:22:43] It is their primary now.

[00:22:45] Mm hmm.

[00:22:46] So maybe that's it.

[00:22:47] And Kate is wearing the gray as you mentioned, she kind of does stand out because her name wasn't on that list anymore, but she could still be.

[00:22:57] Right.

[00:23:00] Right.

[00:23:00] I don't know.

[00:23:01] I, it's just, it was really interesting to me.

[00:23:04] Um, I didn't, I didn't catch Richard long enough to really check what was going on with his clothing because he was, he sailed away stick style.

[00:23:14] And, uh, Miles was a mile shaped hole in the door.

[00:23:18] So, you know, I never really got their colors, but they're also not end game type of characters either like the ones that I just discussed now.

[00:23:27] Um, it's just very, very interesting to me and especially with Desmond tied in with the blue because Sawyer and Jack, they're both very, they're both very alike.

[00:23:43] It's just that one wears his feelings on the outside and one wears his feelings on the inside, but Sawyer, Sawyer and Jack are the same character to me.

[00:23:51] Um, it's, it's really the reds, especially with Hurley thrown in there.

[00:23:56] It really threw me for a loop with that one.

[00:23:58] So I don't know.

[00:23:59] I mean, maybe I'll research it some more.

[00:24:01] Maybe I'll see if this color scheme goes into the finale at all.

[00:24:05] But it was something that I thought was worth mentioning, um, especially like to you because I thought if maybe you had it on your radar that maybe you would have some sort of an insight next week when we talk about this.

[00:24:16] Yeah.

[00:24:16] I didn't, I didn't take notice of it, but I'm very curious and I might actually go back and rewatch the episode again just to see if I see it.

[00:24:23] I'd also be very curious to go back a couple episodes to before we saw Desmond push in the well to see what color his shirt is.

[00:24:30] Yeah.

[00:24:30] That's a good idea.

[00:24:31] What episode was that?

[00:24:32] Uh, like three episodes ago?

[00:24:34] Two or three episodes ago.

[00:24:35] Um, I want to say three episodes back is when we saw Desmond and because last episode was across the sea.

[00:24:43] The other one before that was the candidate.

[00:24:45] Um, and at that point Desmond is already in the well.

[00:24:50] Uh, so yeah, I think it's three episodes back is when we see Desmond before he's pushed into the well.

[00:24:54] And I think if I remember correctly, we had color schemes for each of the three characters and across the sea.

[00:25:01] Well, we did.

[00:25:01] We definitely had the black and the white with Jacob and his brother and then mother also kind of wearing like a neutral in between.

[00:25:09] But I think she was wearing some sort of a red, a red undershirt or something.

[00:25:15] I'm gonna, you know what?

[00:25:16] I'm just going to binge lost pretty much over and over until we record the finale and just see what I see.

[00:25:24] It's gonna be fun.

[00:25:25] There you go.

[00:25:26] Um, but I like the fact that you mentioned too, we keep joking about Richard getting like knocked back and I'm like, yeah, Richard took a flight before he even got to the plane.

[00:25:38] Well, and when he left I go, oh, there goes Richard.

[00:25:40] Well, he can't die.

[00:25:41] He's fine.

[00:25:44] Well, I actually had momentary worry for him.

[00:25:48] I actually had questioned it to at that moment too when he gets knocked back.

[00:25:51] I was like, Oh, is this an opportunity that like Richard actually died?

[00:25:55] And then I went and I read the thing about Lepidus and it says that Miles and Richard are the ones that discover Frank.

[00:26:00] And I'm like, Oh, guess Richard isn't dead.

[00:26:03] No, he's fine.

[00:26:04] He got up.

[00:26:04] He shook it off.

[00:26:05] Yeah.

[00:26:06] He ate a mango.

[00:26:07] He feels better.

[00:26:10] How about you?

[00:26:11] Where do you want to go first?

[00:26:12] Um, so we see more characters getting their wake up calls in the cross sideways in this time Ben gets his or at least he's on the verge of getting his in that, you know, Desmond goes back and it looks like he's ready to run over Jack or John again.

[00:26:33] Poor John.

[00:26:34] Man.

[00:26:36] But Ben notices him.

[00:26:37] He calls him out.

[00:26:38] He recognizes him and Desmond, you know, gives him the whole I wasn't trying to hurt him.

[00:26:43] I was trying to help him and starts pounding on Ben, which we know is something that happened in real life because Ben went to try and kill Penny and Desmond gave him a beating then and it kind of Ben starts to see the actual reality because it's very similar.

[00:27:05] Uh, and I was going to say, are we really looking at, are we really looking at Ben Linus if he's not covered in bruises and blood or getting beaten on?

[00:27:15] Like, didn't you weren't you like immediately blasted back to the beginning of seeing Ben looking at him with the sling and the cut across his nose and like he had it looked like his makeup.

[00:27:27] It was exactly the same.

[00:27:29] It's Henry Gale all over again.

[00:27:32] Yes.

[00:27:32] Yeah.

[00:27:33] Yes, it is.

[00:27:34] Absolutely.

[00:27:35] Yeah.

[00:27:35] It's Henry Gale.

[00:27:36] That's a good pickup.

[00:27:37] I never even really thought of it, but you're right.

[00:27:39] He's in the sling.

[00:27:40] He's beaten up.

[00:27:42] It's it's Henry Gale all over again.

[00:27:44] Even with the cut across his nose because I remember he had that cut across the nose for a really long time as Henry Gale when he was all beat up.

[00:27:54] He also has a blue bruise in both the island and the flash sideways that I thought was significant.

[00:28:01] And then I read some trivia saying that Henry Ian.

[00:28:07] Cousik.

[00:28:08] Cousik.

[00:28:09] Thank you.

[00:28:10] That Desmond accidentally punched him.

[00:28:14] So it's that's a real bruise.

[00:28:17] Well, that happens.

[00:28:19] That definitely happens.

[00:28:21] He probably felt so bad.

[00:28:23] Oh, I'm sure he did.

[00:28:25] I'm sorry, mate.

[00:28:26] Sorry.

[00:28:27] Sorry for all of that.

[00:28:30] But yeah, I mean, I loved the stuff that we got with Ben this episode, especially.

[00:28:35] I actually really enjoyed both the flash sideways and the reality part because in the flash sideways, you know, we get that whole moment where he's getting beaten on by Desmond because you're right.

[00:28:47] It's not Ben.

[00:28:47] It's not significant for Ben if he's not getting pounded on or he's not getting injured somehow.

[00:28:53] But we see the connection with Alex again because Alex comes back and offers to give him a ride home.

[00:28:59] And who do we see in this episode come back?

[00:29:01] Daniel.

[00:29:03] Russo.

[00:29:05] She was wonderful.

[00:29:06] It was so nice to see her and just in her little French kitchen making cocoa van.

[00:29:11] And, you know, like it was just so wonderful.

[00:29:13] And I love the line like when Alex invites him to dinner and he's like, no.

[00:29:18] And she's like, no, you can come to dinner even if it means we have to kidnap you.

[00:29:22] Right.

[00:29:23] That irony was not lost on me.

[00:29:28] But yeah, but seeing, you know, kind of like I felt really, it made me really love Ben even more because Russo tells, you know, tells Ben or Dr. Linus rather that, you know,

[00:29:42] her father died when she was two.

[00:29:45] That's probably why she really connects to you.

[00:29:47] You're the closest thing to a father she's ever had and makes you kind of reflect on Ben from real life because he was the father she never had.

[00:29:58] And then at the same time, to see Dr. Linus get choked up at that.

[00:30:04] Like I was like, man, like I just, I love this character so much.

[00:30:09] Yeah, he, Michael Emerson plays him just so beautifully.

[00:30:13] And to play Ben in this episode especially, he's playing two different bends.

[00:30:21] Oh yeah.

[00:30:22] You know, you see a change in Ben on the island and not for the better.

[00:30:28] He regresses in this episode.

[00:30:31] The minute he gets back to his house and where he used to live.

[00:30:36] You know, I know that he always meant to kill Widmore.

[00:30:40] I love the way that he did kill Widmore.

[00:30:43] Man, when he says he doesn't get to save his daughter.

[00:30:47] I feel that.

[00:30:49] Yeah.

[00:30:49] That's the best way to put it.

[00:30:51] Like I felt that to my core when he said that.

[00:30:54] Well, especially after he had already been reminded of Alex because Richard said that he buried her.

[00:31:00] Yeah, cause Miles feels her as they're walking over.

[00:31:04] Yeah.

[00:31:04] And so he's reminded of his daughter.

[00:31:07] He's, and I'm sure, you know, cause there's places that I go that I am reminded of my sister all the time.

[00:31:13] And it brings you right back as if no time has passed.

[00:31:16] So my guess is that, you know, Miles feeling Alex Richard telling Ben that he buried Alex for him for Ben,

[00:31:27] you know, coming back to his house where he raised Alex.

[00:31:32] You know, that probably brings everything back to the surface pretty easily.

[00:31:39] And so then all of a sudden he sees Charles Widmore, the man who is responsible for his daughter's death,

[00:31:44] his fake daughter's death, but for Alex's death.

[00:31:47] Yeah, I would probably have the same feelings and possibly the same reaction if you know, I was on the island.

[00:31:58] Yeah.

[00:31:58] You know, not and not, you know, in America or in the real world where my actions have consequences.

[00:32:06] Yeah, where you can get away with it while you're on the island.

[00:32:09] There you go.

[00:32:10] Right.

[00:32:11] And I'm starting to question is, is Ben truly regressing or is he playing along?

[00:32:17] Because I feel like, I feel like this has been proving that he can out con the con man that conned him.

[00:32:27] Well, and maybe you're right because he does say this is where I thought I was summoning the monster.

[00:32:33] Only to realize he was actually summoning me.

[00:32:36] Right.

[00:32:37] So maybe he's playing the monsters game.

[00:32:41] So I did, I have that thought because I know that Ben is reformed.

[00:32:46] I know that he has changed at this point, but you are led to believe that he is regressing, I think.

[00:32:54] And I think that's it.

[00:32:56] I think we're being led to believe that he's regressing.

[00:32:59] We're in reality, we're going to discover in the finale, he's pulling his own long con now.

[00:33:06] Right.

[00:33:06] He's trying to show the short long con.

[00:33:10] He's going to prove that he can outsmart the monster.

[00:33:15] I think a lot of them are trying to do that, right?

[00:33:20] Well, because they know now that the ultimate goal is that the monster, they have to kill him.

[00:33:23] Right.

[00:33:24] John, Nottlock has to die.

[00:33:27] I know.

[00:33:27] It's something that they discovered.

[00:33:29] It's something that they realized on their own.

[00:33:31] And it's something that Jacob tells them flat out.

[00:33:34] He has to die.

[00:33:36] It makes me sad that Kate keeps calling him lock because he's not lock.

[00:33:42] And not like we call him Nottlock, right?

[00:33:45] Like he is not space lock.

[00:33:49] He's the monster.

[00:33:51] Yeah.

[00:33:51] Well, and I questioned that in this episode too.

[00:33:54] And it made me curious.

[00:33:56] Does Kate know that that's not lock?

[00:34:00] She might be one of the few people that doesn't know that yet.

[00:34:05] Because nobody's flat out told her.

[00:34:07] I think Sawyer said whatever that is, that's not lock or something like that.

[00:34:11] I think that they've had that because Kate and Sawyer have been together for a while.

[00:34:14] So even if we haven't seen it, I think that one would assume that Kate and

[00:34:18] Sawyer have had that discussion at this point.

[00:34:21] Okay.

[00:34:22] All right.

[00:34:23] I mean, yeah, maybe she does know that and maybe she just,

[00:34:25] maybe she's just in denial and doesn't want to believe it.

[00:34:29] Or she's just so shocked that her friends just died.

[00:34:33] That too.

[00:34:34] And she's been shot.

[00:34:35] And she just doesn't know what to call him other than lock.

[00:34:39] Right.

[00:34:40] Because it is technically the, it's John Locke's face.

[00:34:44] I know.

[00:34:45] Poor Locke.

[00:34:46] Poor Locke.

[00:34:47] He would never, he would never consent to this.

[00:34:54] No, this is not what John would have done.

[00:34:57] No.

[00:34:58] This is nothing like John would have done.

[00:35:02] Which is why I think, you know, Sawyer is just like, I know John Locke.

[00:35:07] You're not him.

[00:35:08] Just, you know, flat out.

[00:35:10] You're definitely not him.

[00:35:11] They spent enough time together.

[00:35:12] I mean, you start to learn somebody about somebody's character within a short amount of time.

[00:35:19] Sawyer knew who John was.

[00:35:21] And yeah, like in that episode where he says like, you're not John Locke.

[00:35:26] I don't know what you are.

[00:35:28] So, um, yeah, but it was very, I really did enjoy a lot of the stuff with Ben this episode.

[00:35:35] And I do really think this has been, we'll find out when we watch the finale,

[00:35:39] but I think if I remember, I think this has just been playing the monsters game.

[00:35:45] Um, but he does get something out of it in that he gets to kill Charles Whitmore.

[00:35:50] The man who took his daughter.

[00:35:52] And Zoe dies.

[00:35:53] Man, OK.

[00:35:54] In that scene where we see Zoe in the kitchen before we see Whitmore,

[00:35:59] I let out an audible, ugh.

[00:36:03] Because I hated Zoe.

[00:36:06] And then just seeing not Locke just slit her throat and Charles being like,

[00:36:12] why did you do that?

[00:36:13] He's like, well, you told her not to talk to me.

[00:36:15] She was pointless.

[00:36:17] Right.

[00:36:18] She was pointless from the get go.

[00:36:21] She was pointless before that, but thanks, Charles.

[00:36:26] Yeah.

[00:36:26] If there's anything we have to thank Charles Whitmore for it's for making Zoe even more

[00:36:30] pointless so that not Locke slid her throat.

[00:36:34] Man, what a waste of a character.

[00:36:36] Like I'm sorry to the actress that had to play her too because there was no point to that character.

[00:36:41] None.

[00:36:42] It just wasn't an appropriate portrayal of a character.

[00:36:46] It never convinced me.

[00:36:49] That portrayal of that character and it probably has more to do with the writing

[00:36:53] than the actual actress.

[00:36:55] And I'm saying that ahead of time.

[00:36:58] I was never convinced that that character, that the character of Zoe had any kind of authority.

[00:37:04] That she had any kind of power that she was intimidating in any sense.

[00:37:11] She wasn't.

[00:37:12] She was none of those things to me.

[00:37:14] She was just.

[00:37:15] She had a baby voice half the time.

[00:37:18] Yeah.

[00:37:19] Anna Lucia would have been a much better character in that role or a person like Anna Lucia.

[00:37:25] Like Michelle Rodriguez.

[00:37:26] Like Michelle Rodriguez.

[00:37:27] You needed somebody with a more intimidating look.

[00:37:32] Yeah.

[00:37:33] To portray.

[00:37:34] Yeah, Michelle Rodriguez fits that bill.

[00:37:36] And seeing Anna Lucia come back this episode was also great.

[00:37:40] Big smiles.

[00:37:41] Yeah.

[00:37:42] Big smiles.

[00:37:42] And I love it when Hurley is like, what's Anna Lucia doing here?

[00:37:45] Do I know you, Tubby?

[00:37:49] Oh, that's right.

[00:37:51] We haven't met yet.

[00:37:52] But yeah.

[00:37:55] So and even Desmond in that moment saying like, oh, like, how could she doesn't remember me

[00:37:59] and Desmond like, well, it's not her time yet.

[00:38:02] Right.

[00:38:03] Meaning she hasn't woken up yet.

[00:38:07] And she's not in the church either.

[00:38:09] So it's, you know, it was a quick cameo to bring Michelle Rodriguez back for an episode.

[00:38:13] I enjoyed it.

[00:38:15] And I'll tell you what, like when Lost was airing, I wasn't a huge Michelle Rodriguez fan.

[00:38:22] I enjoyed her as Anna Lucia, but I wasn't a fan of Michelle Rodriguez.

[00:38:26] Not to say I, I, I disliked her.

[00:38:28] I just didn't know enough about her to enjoy her as an actress.

[00:38:33] But becoming such a fan of the Fast and Furious franchise as I am, I've grown to spend

[00:38:39] a lot of time with Michelle Rodriguez because she is in of the 10 movies.

[00:38:44] She is in seven of them.

[00:38:47] So I've grown to really enjoy her as an actress and enjoy her as an actress.

[00:38:52] I've always seen her whenever I see her pop up.

[00:38:54] So this rewatch of Lost and seeing Anna Lucia made me enjoy and appreciate Anna Lucia even more.

[00:39:00] Yeah.

[00:39:01] Because of that new appreciation for Michelle Rodriguez.

[00:39:04] I love Michelle Rodriguez.

[00:39:05] I love her every single time I see her in anything like Dungeons & Dragons.

[00:39:09] She was great in Dungeons & Dragons.

[00:39:11] She's great in Dungeons & Dragons.

[00:39:12] I love that movie.

[00:39:15] I do too.

[00:39:16] And I want another one, like really bad.

[00:39:19] I don't know if it did well enough in the theaters to get another one.

[00:39:23] I don't know if it did.

[00:39:24] I know where we're derailed, but I, I, it's that movie is so good.

[00:39:30] I went and saw that in theaters with people that I play D&D with.

[00:39:34] That's awesome.

[00:39:35] Which was a great outing.

[00:39:37] Like we all, there was like 15 of us.

[00:39:39] We all got together.

[00:39:40] We all went and saw that movie together.

[00:39:42] I freaking cried at the end of that.

[00:39:45] Like I got choked up at the end of that movie.

[00:39:48] It was so much fun.

[00:39:51] And you're right.

[00:39:52] Michelle Rodriguez is fantastic in that movie.

[00:39:55] Her and Chris Pawn together.

[00:39:57] Or phenomenal.

[00:39:58] Or great.

[00:39:58] But she's so good in that movie that I wish that she had played.

[00:40:03] I forget the character's name, but in Quantum Mania, in the Quantum Realm,

[00:40:10] the warrior.

[00:40:11] Oh yeah.

[00:40:13] Yeah.

[00:40:13] Only because that was a miscast for me.

[00:40:18] And the whole time I was wishing it was Michelle Rodriguez,

[00:40:21] like the whole time.

[00:40:23] Because that actress, because that actress that was in Quantum Mania,

[00:40:27] she was also the androgynous looking cadet or whatever in Andor.

[00:40:38] Oh, which I never watched Andor either.

[00:40:41] What?

[00:40:42] I was not a fan of.

[00:40:44] That doesn't matter.

[00:40:46] No, we've talked about this.

[00:40:48] We're going to just have a opinion.

[00:40:50] I'm about to get mad at you.

[00:40:51] Katie M O'Brien is the actress name because she has actually been,

[00:40:56] she was at a con that I worked.

[00:41:01] And I'm not saying she's not a good actress.

[00:41:03] I think she was phenomenal in Andor.

[00:41:06] But I don't see her list.

[00:41:07] Maybe this is not the same actress because she's not listed in Andor.

[00:41:09] She's in The Mandalorian.

[00:41:11] Oh, that's what I meant.

[00:41:12] She's in The Mandalorian.

[00:41:13] Yeah.

[00:41:15] So I, I like her in The Mandalorian a lot, but and she was probably fine in Quantum Mania.

[00:41:28] But as a Michelle Rodriguez fan, I felt Michelle Rodriguez should have been in that movie.

[00:41:33] I get that.

[00:41:34] So let's get back to Lost.

[00:41:35] I get that.

[00:41:36] But it was great.

[00:41:37] It was great seeing Anna Lucía pop up again.

[00:41:39] Yes.

[00:41:39] Because I forgot that's, um, that she did pop back up at some point.

[00:41:46] I was half expecting to see MC Ganey open up that door.

[00:41:50] Oh man.

[00:41:51] How great would it be if we got to see Tom Friendly come back?

[00:41:54] It would be great.

[00:41:55] I don't think we do.

[00:41:57] No.

[00:41:57] I think we've, I think we've come to the end of MC's role.

[00:42:01] Um, yeah.

[00:42:02] I, I God, I wish we could get him back on, but with the strikes,

[00:42:06] nothing is happening right now.

[00:42:09] Unfortunately, I would love to have him back on.

[00:42:11] The shows are about to be ruined for that too.

[00:42:13] At some point.

[00:42:14] Um, although AMC did get a deal struck that they could go back to production on.

[00:42:19] Good.

[00:42:20] Can we get that deal for Stranger Things, please?

[00:42:22] Before these kids age out of their roles?

[00:42:23] Can we get that deal for a lot of things?

[00:42:25] Can we just get these strikes to end, please?

[00:42:28] It's this, this is just.

[00:42:30] And anyways, Lost.

[00:42:34] Uh, let's see.

[00:42:37] I'm crossing all stuff that we've already talked about on my end.

[00:42:42] Yeah, it's where I would summon the monster.

[00:42:44] That's before I knew the monster was summoning me.

[00:42:49] So I want to talk about, um, Jacob materializing in front of the candidates.

[00:42:54] Cause I thought that that was fantastic.

[00:42:56] Um, it was a scene that I think that everybody's been waiting for for really,

[00:43:00] really, really long time.

[00:43:02] Um, I love it when Hurley is like, wait a minute, you guys can actually see

[00:43:05] him.

[00:43:05] You can hear him.

[00:43:07] Um, I think that that was a big relief for Hurley that Jacob was actually there.

[00:43:14] Um, because now validation.

[00:43:17] Yeah.

[00:43:18] Well, right.

[00:43:18] But it's validation that, Hey guys, see, I told you, I've been,

[00:43:20] I've been seeing stuff, you know, like what I've been seeing is actually

[00:43:25] what I've been seeing.

[00:43:26] Um, and it was just so great to get a lot of answers in,

[00:43:34] in that one scene with everybody.

[00:43:36] Well, one of the biggest, one of the biggest answers that we got is the

[00:43:39] young version of Jacob that people have been seeing actually was Jacob.

[00:43:45] Yes.

[00:43:45] It wasn't anything taking the form of Jacob.

[00:43:48] It actually was Jacob.

[00:43:50] Mm hmm.

[00:43:51] Well that and the answers about Kate.

[00:43:56] Yep.

[00:43:56] Um, which you called that she was probably crossed off because she

[00:44:00] became a mother.

[00:44:02] Right.

[00:44:03] Um, and then also, um, Jack and Sawyer got to kind of and,

[00:44:09] and Hurley got to hear what Jacob's whole game plan has been this

[00:44:14] whole time.

[00:44:15] You know, they don't have to guess at it anymore.

[00:44:18] They know now, you know, that they, that they have this reason.

[00:44:22] And I really liked the fact that was it, was it Sawyer who's

[00:44:24] like, I was doing just fine before you know, you even before

[00:44:28] Jacob said, I go, no, you weren't none of you were, you guys all

[00:44:33] had terrible lives.

[00:44:35] Well, I mean, and in that moment too, you're right.

[00:44:37] Like Sawyer's the one that speaks up and says, I was doing just

[00:44:40] fine and Jacob's like, no, you won't, but in that, no, you

[00:44:42] weren't, but in that moment, it also does a clip past the

[00:44:47] Jack and seeing Jack kind of like with his head down in

[00:44:51] thought, Jack knows, Jack knows he was not in a good place

[00:44:55] before he came to that island.

[00:44:59] Kate, I'm sure pretty no pretty much knows.

[00:45:02] I think everybody knows Kate was not in a good place.

[00:45:05] She was all the fugitive.

[00:45:09] Hurley was not the good, and Jacob is absolutely right.

[00:45:12] And it's not, and it's something that we actually don't

[00:45:15] really think about until Jacob points it out.

[00:45:17] It is the one and son were in a bad place.

[00:45:20] It is the one thing that all of these characters have had

[00:45:22] in common this entire time is that they were not in good places

[00:45:26] in their life before they arrived on that island.

[00:45:28] Even Rosen Bernard.

[00:45:30] I mean, yeah, everybody.

[00:45:34] Charlie was not Charlie was not in a good place.

[00:45:36] Boone and Shannon were not in good places.

[00:45:39] Blair, Said.

[00:45:42] Yeah.

[00:45:45] So Mr. Echo.

[00:45:48] I mean, he was literally, Jacob was choosing candidates

[00:45:50] of people who could be pulled from their lives

[00:45:55] for a greater cause.

[00:45:57] Yeah.

[00:45:59] He didn't pull anybody whose lives,

[00:46:02] who was in a good place in their life.

[00:46:04] Like he literally pulled people that could be taken

[00:46:07] from their lives and probably would not be at a loss

[00:46:11] to never return.

[00:46:12] That is a really hard pill to swallow as a person though,

[00:46:16] to know that you could be completely lifted out

[00:46:19] of your life and it wouldn't change a lot of people's lives.

[00:46:25] Like for Hurley's parents, their life got better.

[00:46:28] Yeah.

[00:46:29] Without Hurley.

[00:46:32] For Jack's ex-wife, her life never changed.

[00:46:36] Just, you know, she went along with her life.

[00:46:38] Even his mother.

[00:46:38] She was already remarried.

[00:46:39] Even Jack's mother.

[00:46:40] Even his mother, yeah.

[00:46:41] Wouldn't have changed anything.

[00:46:43] But that's something.

[00:46:45] Kate had nobody else.

[00:46:47] Sawyer had nobody else.

[00:46:49] Right.

[00:46:52] Charlie was alienated from his brother.

[00:46:54] I mean, he had just finished visiting his brother

[00:46:56] who had a very good life and didn't need him anymore.

[00:47:01] You know, Claire's family,

[00:47:03] Claire's family that was going to adopt the baby we find out later

[00:47:06] was never going to adopt that baby.

[00:47:08] They changed their mind.

[00:47:10] Yeah.

[00:47:12] You know, so for me,

[00:47:16] it would be just devastating to find out that my life did not matter

[00:47:25] in the grand scheme of things.

[00:47:27] And to find out in that moment after, you know,

[00:47:30] you've spent all this time on this island

[00:47:32] and you've gone back to your life and you come

[00:47:34] and then you come back to the island

[00:47:35] and you've gone through all this trauma

[00:47:37] to just find out real point blank, short and sweet

[00:47:40] that this guy that's been controlling your life the whole time

[00:47:43] says you didn't really matter where you were.

[00:47:44] You're insignificant.

[00:47:48] That's like the one thing a person,

[00:47:49] a person never wants to hear.

[00:47:52] Well, because it's a fear.

[00:47:54] It is a legitimate fear of people

[00:47:55] to realize that your life does not matter.

[00:47:59] Yeah.

[00:48:00] You know, so much so that

[00:48:04] if you're lost along this journey,

[00:48:07] meaning you died along this journey like Jin or son or Sayid.

[00:48:11] Now, Jin and son I think are different

[00:48:13] because they have a daughter.

[00:48:15] So her life will now be affected without Jin and son.

[00:48:20] But I don't think anybody's life is affected without Charlie.

[00:48:25] I don't think anybody's life is affected without Sayid.

[00:48:28] You know, he chose people whose lives were so insignificant

[00:48:32] at the time that had something happen to them along the way

[00:48:37] that it wouldn't matter to the rest of the world.

[00:48:41] That's heavy.

[00:48:42] It's very heavy.

[00:48:44] And I mean, and you can tell in that conversation

[00:48:47] Jacob feels the weight of that

[00:48:50] because he even apologizes for that.

[00:48:53] Yeah.

[00:48:54] You know, because Kate says like, well, what about Jin?

[00:48:57] What about son?

[00:48:58] What about Sayid?

[00:48:58] And he's like, I'm sorry.

[00:49:00] He knows that that has been weighing on Jacob.

[00:49:03] But the one thing I did appreciate

[00:49:05] that came out of Jacob's speech is that

[00:49:07] he tells them, I wanted to give you the one thing I never got.

[00:49:13] And that's a choice.

[00:49:16] So they can choose to take the job now or they can leave.

[00:49:22] However, it is a double-edged sword

[00:49:25] because when they ask him what happens

[00:49:28] if none of us take the job,

[00:49:29] he says lots of bad things will happen.

[00:49:32] Well, now you're kind of forcing them to make a choice.

[00:49:35] Well, they are making a choice.

[00:49:37] They're making a choice out of the four of them.

[00:49:39] But you're kind of forcing them to do it.

[00:49:42] So you've kind of taken away the option of choice again

[00:49:45] by forcing them to choose someone to do it.

[00:49:48] No, I mean, there is the choice not to do it.

[00:49:50] They're just making that conscious choice.

[00:49:53] Okay.

[00:49:54] Knowing what the consequences will be.

[00:49:55] That's true.

[00:49:56] They know what the consequences are

[00:49:57] before they have the opportunity to make the choice.

[00:50:00] Yeah.

[00:50:00] And so Sawyer, Kate and Hurley

[00:50:03] all Homer Simpson themselves into a hedge.

[00:50:08] And Jack says,

[00:50:10] I've lost Ben.

[00:50:12] He's left the screen.

[00:50:15] I just pictured it.

[00:50:17] That's all it was.

[00:50:19] And then Jack's like, I'll do it.

[00:50:20] We all knew that that's what was going to happen.

[00:50:23] We knew Jack was the one that was going to set up.

[00:50:24] He was going to fight over this job.

[00:50:27] Nobody.

[00:50:27] I think Jack wanted the job before it was even offered to him.

[00:50:31] Well, he knew he was there for a reason.

[00:50:34] He knew he wasn't going to leave the island.

[00:50:38] He came back because he knew that that was his purpose.

[00:50:40] I mean, this is like you've been saying the past couple of weeks.

[00:50:45] We have our man of faith in Jack Shepard now.

[00:50:47] He is our shepherd finally.

[00:50:50] Do you think had Notlock taken the form of someone else

[00:50:57] that John Locke would have been the man for the job?

[00:51:01] No.

[00:51:03] I'm kind of convinced of the same thing.

[00:51:06] I don't know if John, as much as I love John,

[00:51:10] I don't think Locke would have been a strong enough person.

[00:51:13] He's too easily manipulated.

[00:51:16] He's too weak-willed.

[00:51:16] I was just about to say the same thing.

[00:51:18] Sorry.

[00:51:19] No, no.

[00:51:20] We were on the same wavelength for that one.

[00:51:23] I agree.

[00:51:23] I think he was too weak-willed for the job.

[00:51:25] I think that that's why the monster took his form.

[00:51:30] Absolutely.

[00:51:30] Because we discussed this last week that Jacob's brother was also,

[00:51:36] you know, he was easily manipulated as well,

[00:51:39] which is why he was so easily able to leave his mother and Jacob,

[00:51:43] go to these new people.

[00:51:45] He knew that they were bad people, but he stayed with them anyways

[00:51:47] because he wanted to get off the island.

[00:51:50] I think that the monster knows exactly who he needs to choose

[00:51:55] when he needs a body or a vessel or whatever.

[00:52:01] Well, this has been an incredibly long game for him.

[00:52:04] Yeah, a really long game.

[00:52:06] I mean, it's been...

[00:52:08] Jacob's been there.

[00:52:09] We learned last week.

[00:52:11] Jacob's been on that island for 2,000 years

[00:52:13] and who knows how long a mother was there before that?

[00:52:16] But it almost seems like this time around something has changed.

[00:52:23] The game has changed.

[00:52:25] The plan is not playing out the way he wants it to be

[00:52:28] because the last thing we hear in this episode is not Locke saying,

[00:52:31] I'm just going to destroy the island.

[00:52:34] Because he knows...

[00:52:35] I think he knows that that's the only way he's going to get off the island

[00:52:38] is if there is no island.

[00:52:40] All of his plans have gone to shit.

[00:52:43] Yeah.

[00:52:44] The long game that he planned is not playing out.

[00:52:47] No.

[00:52:47] And you know, he is...

[00:52:50] We've learned that the monster is resourceful.

[00:52:55] Mm-hmm.

[00:52:57] Well, but I also think we are now...

[00:52:59] Mentally flexible.

[00:53:00] Well, I also think now it's also an act of desperation.

[00:53:03] Oh yeah.

[00:53:04] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:53:05] You're totally right on that.

[00:53:06] Yeah.

[00:53:07] That's better.

[00:53:07] This is an act of desperation now.

[00:53:09] This is Hail Mary, so to speak.

[00:53:11] Pretty much.

[00:53:12] Yeah.

[00:53:14] And somehow Desmond is the key to this.

[00:53:18] Which I love.

[00:53:19] Desmond has been such a bigger part of the entire story

[00:53:23] that we don't begin to realize until now.

[00:53:26] Yeah, I love Desmond.

[00:53:28] Until this season.

[00:53:28] He is, as you put it so eloquently a couple episodes back,

[00:53:33] Desmond is the constant.

[00:53:35] Yeah.

[00:53:36] He is.

[00:53:37] We knew that in the smaller scale early on,

[00:53:40] but now we are seeing that in such a larger scale.

[00:53:45] Right.

[00:53:45] He is the constant.

[00:53:47] He is the one that is waking everybody up

[00:53:50] and bringing them together.

[00:53:53] He is the key to all of this.

[00:53:56] He is the key to them moving on.

[00:53:58] He is the key to them getting out of there.

[00:54:01] It is...

[00:54:02] He is...

[00:54:03] He is the key.

[00:54:05] He's also the key to them destroying the smoke monster.

[00:54:10] Is he?

[00:54:11] Yeah.

[00:54:13] Okay, I don't remember how.

[00:54:15] He has to pull the plug.

[00:54:18] Is it Desmond that pulls the plug?

[00:54:20] Desmond that pulls the plug.

[00:54:21] Okay, I couldn't remember if it was Desmond or Jack.

[00:54:23] Yeah, no.

[00:54:24] Well, Jack goes down to save Desmond.

[00:54:27] That's right.

[00:54:28] Desmond pops the cork.

[00:54:29] Right.

[00:54:30] Yep.

[00:54:31] So he is the constant on both the flash sideways

[00:54:34] and in real time on my island.

[00:54:35] Oh yeah, absolutely.

[00:54:37] Yeah.

[00:54:38] So I just love that character.

[00:54:42] I love how we have these wonderful recurring characters,

[00:54:47] side characters that are so fleshed out and so wonderful

[00:54:51] that when anything happens to them, we feel it deeply.

[00:54:56] You know, that to me...

[00:54:57] And we talked about this from the very beginning

[00:54:59] when we were talking about...

[00:55:00] When we were doing the pilot episode with Jason five years ago.

[00:55:06] You know, we talked about how fleshed out these characters

[00:55:09] were from the very beginning.

[00:55:10] You get a very real sense of every dimension

[00:55:13] of these characters very early.

[00:55:16] And so as we see them grow to this point,

[00:55:20] I mean, we've really been on a journey with them

[00:55:22] and it's not that they were these like flat sitcom characters

[00:55:25] and now they're fully fleshed out characters.

[00:55:26] We're looking at fully fleshed out characters

[00:55:28] evolving into these people that we consider to be

[00:55:33] like people by the end.

[00:55:36] I don't know if that makes any sense.

[00:55:37] No, it makes total sense

[00:55:39] because you're absolutely right.

[00:55:40] We've spent six seasons with these characters.

[00:55:42] We are invested in these characters now.

[00:55:44] We have seen these characters grow

[00:55:46] into completely different characters.

[00:55:49] It's almost like...

[00:55:51] And I'll make the comparison to Guardians of the Galaxy

[00:55:53] with this because there is a scene

[00:55:56] in Guardians of the Galaxy volume three

[00:55:58] at spoiler alert if anybody hasn't seen it,

[00:56:01] but there is a scene at the end of the movie

[00:56:04] where Groot says,

[00:56:06] I love you guys.

[00:56:08] He doesn't say I am Groot.

[00:56:10] He says, I love you guys.

[00:56:12] And James Gunn has come out and said,

[00:56:14] the director of the movie has come out and said,

[00:56:17] he is still saying I am Groot.

[00:56:20] You have just spent so much time with these characters

[00:56:23] now that you understand him.

[00:56:25] Which I think is such a great way to wrap up

[00:56:31] one of the ways to wrap up those characters

[00:56:33] is that to everybody else,

[00:56:35] they still hear I am Groot.

[00:56:38] But you as an audience can understand him now

[00:56:41] just like the rest of the Guardians can.

[00:56:43] That's very beautifully done and I appreciate that.

[00:56:46] I will never see that movie again.

[00:56:48] I know you won't.

[00:56:48] But unless you edit it for me

[00:56:53] and take everything out that I can't watch again.

[00:56:56] Unless they release the animal cruelty-free cut.

[00:56:59] Can we have that James Gunn please?

[00:57:02] I'll be honest with you.

[00:57:03] The no cry version?

[00:57:05] I'm going to look.

[00:57:05] There might be a fan edit of that.

[00:57:07] And I'll check if there is.

[00:57:10] If there is, I'll watch the shit out of that movie.

[00:57:12] But again, it's kind of like we've been watching

[00:57:15] these characters very similarly

[00:57:18] to the same way Jacob has.

[00:57:20] Right.

[00:57:21] We have been watching these characters

[00:57:22] almost through the eyes of Jacob.

[00:57:24] Yeah.

[00:57:25] Because we are seeing these characters become

[00:57:27] the characters that he chose to be candidates.

[00:57:32] Right.

[00:57:33] Yeah.

[00:57:34] Oh, you're totally right on that one.

[00:57:37] We are watching the we have been watching these

[00:57:39] characters like Jacob has been watching these characters.

[00:57:43] Except we're not.

[00:57:44] And we're but at the same time too,

[00:57:47] we're also seeing for the first time

[00:57:50] I think right now what Jacob originally saw

[00:57:53] in these characters on why he chose them.

[00:57:57] You know, I mean there's a lot of people

[00:57:59] that are alone out there that

[00:58:02] that would fit the bill of what Jacob is looking for

[00:58:06] as far as being able to be lifted out

[00:58:08] and everything's fine.

[00:58:10] But these guys had that special quality

[00:58:13] that made sense for the island as well.

[00:58:17] Because they were picked from all over the world.

[00:58:19] Well, and not only that, but picture put this

[00:58:21] in the perspective too,

[00:58:22] not only were they chosen from all over the world,

[00:58:25] they were chosen from different points in their life.

[00:58:28] Kate was chosen as a child.

[00:58:30] Sawyer was chosen as a child,

[00:58:32] which means they were not just alone as adults.

[00:58:36] They were alone as children.

[00:58:38] Did he pick them when they became alone?

[00:58:42] I think that's it.

[00:58:43] I think because Jacob went to Jen and son

[00:58:46] when they got married on their wedding day.

[00:58:49] Now what does that say about that?

[00:58:54] Oh, yeah, I don't know.

[00:58:56] You know what I mean?

[00:58:56] Yeah.

[00:58:58] Well, I mean, and he also didn't appeal to Hurley

[00:59:01] until after they got off the island.

[00:59:06] Hmm, that's true too.

[00:59:08] God, I love the show.

[00:59:09] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:59:10] Because I feel like we could take a really deep dive

[00:59:12] into just that one aspect of the show.

[00:59:17] Like why did Jacob touch each of these candidates

[00:59:20] when he touched them?

[00:59:22] And if it, you know what I mean?

[00:59:23] Yeah, I would have loved to have seen

[00:59:25] another episode of a flashback of Jacob.

[00:59:29] Not with his brother or his mother,

[00:59:30] but post, post not lock or post man in black,

[00:59:37] but during maybe like during his times off the island.

[00:59:43] Yeah, because we know there were other candidates.

[00:59:46] So maybe we could have seen him visiting

[00:59:48] some of these other candidates.

[00:59:51] Yeah.

[00:59:52] It would have been it would have been fun

[00:59:54] to see maybe another flashback episode of Jacob.

[00:59:59] Yeah, especially when you have such a good actor in Mark Pellegrino

[01:00:03] is a fantastic character actor.

[01:00:05] I really, really enjoy him.

[01:00:08] And I can't like I've said so many times on this podcast.

[01:00:11] He will always be Jacob to me.

[01:00:13] Like whenever I see him in anything else,

[01:00:15] I'm like, oh, Jacob isn't this.

[01:00:16] I can't ever retain his name Mark Pellegrino

[01:00:20] because his name is Jacob in my tiny little brain.

[01:00:24] Well, and I've seen him in quite a few other things.

[01:00:28] As well.

[01:00:28] I know he was he played a villainous role in Buffy the vampire slayer.

[01:00:32] He was literally Lucifer in supernatural.

[01:00:36] So he has he has played a number of different roles,

[01:00:39] but he's always Jacob to you still, right?

[01:00:42] Or no.

[01:00:42] Yes, I still constantly see him as Jacob and I.

[01:00:47] Oh, that was weird.

[01:00:49] I thought I heard thunder.

[01:00:52] I thought I heard I heard something inside the way that

[01:00:54] you turned. I thought a cat was just about to jump in like onto your head.

[01:00:59] No, sorry for all of you out there in podcast land.

[01:01:03] No, so seeing Mark Pellegrino is like I I love seeing him.

[01:01:09] He will have all the other roles I've seen him do.

[01:01:12] He will still always be Jacob to me.

[01:01:16] Just the same way that Titus will always be man in black,

[01:01:23] no matter everything I've seen him in, he will Titus well,

[01:01:26] ever will always be man in black.

[01:01:29] And I do want to do is in Sons of Anarchy.

[01:01:31] Wasn't he also in Sons of Anarchy?

[01:01:34] I think he was in Sons of Anarchy in the Ireland episodes.

[01:01:38] I know he was in the town.

[01:01:41] I love that movie.

[01:01:43] I don't have you seen the town.

[01:01:45] Oh, God, yes.

[01:01:47] The town is like so, so good.

[01:01:50] I do not see him listed in Sons of Oh, yes, he was.

[01:01:53] He was Jimmy O'Faelyn, 12 episodes in Sons of Anarchy.

[01:01:58] Yeah.

[01:02:00] That was right after he did the town too.

[01:02:03] But yeah, he and I want to say too last week when we got with

[01:02:07] our feedback, Jason from San Jose sent us as part of his

[01:02:12] voicemail.

[01:02:13] There was that little clip of the video that Mark and Titus

[01:02:17] did from San Diego Comic Con.

[01:02:19] Yeah, yeah.

[01:02:20] Kristen and I found it online.

[01:02:22] There's more to it than just the audio clip that he played.

[01:02:25] We may have gone down a rabbit hole.

[01:02:28] Yeah, we watched a bunch of different things.

[01:02:31] That clip is great.

[01:02:34] That whole thing, the whole clip was great.

[01:02:38] The fact that they're both playing like bratty little

[01:02:42] brothers to each other is, it's so good.

[01:02:46] I highly recommend it.

[01:02:47] Just go on, I think just go on YouTube and Google

[01:02:52] Lost Comic Con Jacob and you'll probably, I think that's how

[01:02:57] I found it.

[01:02:58] Lost Comic Con Jacob.

[01:03:00] And search.

[01:03:04] Okay, now that you're back from doing that and your long dive,

[01:03:08] let's return to our coverage of what they died for.

[01:03:11] That wasn't that long of a dive?

[01:03:13] No, no, no.

[01:03:14] I meant if they paused it just now.

[01:03:16] Oh, gotcha.

[01:03:18] Golly, keep up.

[01:03:21] I really don't have a lot left to talk about, to be honest with

[01:03:24] you.

[01:03:24] Yeah, I mean, let's see what do I have?

[01:03:27] I mean, we do get Desmond turning himself into Sawyer and

[01:03:30] Miles just so that he can be with Kate and Saeed.

[01:03:37] Oh, how about the fact that we don't have to have the

[01:03:41] wine jug?

[01:03:42] You just need the prayer and some liquid and a cup.

[01:03:45] I thought about that too, this episode, because we talked

[01:03:47] a lot about that last week.

[01:03:49] Yeah.

[01:03:50] And yeah, there's nothing special about the wine.

[01:03:52] It's just wine.

[01:03:53] It's just the prayer in Latin and I had it pulled up and

[01:03:58] of course I decided to close it.

[01:04:03] So hang on one second.

[01:04:04] I'm going to try and get it back up again.

[01:04:06] Oh no, but while you're looking for that, I will say

[01:04:09] too, we do get confirmation to one of the things I did

[01:04:11] mention last week in that even though you are immortal in

[01:04:15] age, you can still physically die because it did happen to

[01:04:19] Jacob.

[01:04:20] Jacob says to Jack in this episode, you are like me now,

[01:04:23] which is what mother said to Jacob.

[01:04:25] Yes.

[01:04:26] So now Jack at this point has immortality of age.

[01:04:32] He is ageless.

[01:04:34] He is ageless.

[01:04:36] Right.

[01:04:36] But we do know he does die because the man he dies

[01:04:41] in his battle from the man in black or from not right.

[01:04:44] So again, confirmation from what I said last week,

[01:04:47] even though you are ageless, you can still physically

[01:04:51] perish.

[01:04:52] Yes, which, you know, Jack doesn't really get that long

[01:04:55] with his ageless.

[01:04:57] No, he really doesn't.

[01:04:58] Richard vibes.

[01:05:00] So what Jacob, Jacob performs the ritual with Jack

[01:05:04] that he did with mother and across the sea part of

[01:05:06] which is in Latin.

[01:05:07] He says.

[01:05:07] Nam, non.

[01:05:11] So you got that right?

[01:05:14] Got it.

[01:05:15] Which translated into English is because we don't accept

[01:05:17] this as a simple potion, but so that he shall be as one

[01:05:23] with me.

[01:05:25] Interesting.

[01:05:28] So it's not the potion.

[01:05:30] It's the ritual.

[01:05:32] It's, you know, the prayer for lack of a better term.

[01:05:35] It's, you know, the sharing of the cup.

[01:05:37] It's almost like it's communion.

[01:05:40] Yeah.

[01:05:41] Well, I even, I think that's one of the things I mentioned

[01:05:43] last week too, in that I don't even remember the term

[01:05:48] I used when Jacob drank from the wine.

[01:05:52] I want to say ordained, but I don't think that was

[01:05:55] the term I used.

[01:05:58] But yeah, it is basically like a baptism or a communion.

[01:06:02] It's more like a communion than a baptism because

[01:06:05] the baptism you have to bathe in the water.

[01:06:08] Communion you drink of, you drink of.

[01:06:12] Yeah.

[01:06:13] So yeah, it is definitely more like a communion than a baptism.

[01:06:16] Yeah.

[01:06:17] I also like it that Jack was like, there's nothing beyond

[01:06:21] that bamboo field and he goes, well, now that you're

[01:06:24] like me, there is, you will find it.

[01:06:28] So there's a scene in this episode and maybe, maybe

[01:06:34] you noticed it and you can help clarify it as well.

[01:06:37] There is a scene as they're walking through where Hurley

[01:06:40] notices something and he stops and he looks and doesn't

[01:06:44] see anything.

[01:06:47] I kind of almost took that as in Hurley senses that

[01:06:54] there's a cave.

[01:06:56] But maybe I kind of took that as in Hurley senses

[01:07:00] like that's where the cave is, Hurley senses it,

[01:07:03] but he can't see it yet.

[01:07:06] Kind of like he was always supposed to be the one that

[01:07:10] drank from the cup.

[01:07:12] Yeah, which I guess maybe are we going to see that next

[01:07:16] week?

[01:07:17] I don't remember Hurley ever drinking from the water,

[01:07:19] but maybe he does.

[01:07:21] Yeah, I don't know either.

[01:07:22] I do know that I did love the line that Hurley gives

[01:07:26] when he says, I'm just glad that isn't me.

[01:07:29] Like, oh, you're speaking a little too soon there,

[01:07:33] Hurley bud.

[01:07:34] And it's so funny because he's so happy to be the protector

[01:07:38] of the island once it happens.

[01:07:41] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:07:42] You know?

[01:07:43] So I, you know, this episode...

[01:07:47] He also doesn't have man and block to contest.

[01:07:49] That's the mistake of the island.

[01:07:51] Hurley's like a little duck.

[01:07:52] He's got less stress when he steps up to be the

[01:07:55] protector of the island.

[01:07:56] Yeah, yeah.

[01:07:58] You know, he's had enough stress in his life.

[01:08:01] I mean, they all have, but you know, Hurley took

[01:08:04] Hurley a really long time to be okay with who he was.

[01:08:10] So, yeah, other than that, I think I'm good.

[01:08:13] I think I'm good too.

[01:08:15] I think, you know, Desmond turning himself in,

[01:08:18] we talked about Hurley and Jacob, Ben and Notlock.

[01:08:21] We kind of addressed a lot of this stuff.

[01:08:24] Yeah.

[01:08:25] I think, yeah, I think that's pretty much all I have.

[01:08:29] Yeah, me too.

[01:08:30] For notes on the episode.

[01:08:31] But that just means we only have one episode left.

[01:08:36] Well, a two-part episode.

[01:08:39] We have the finale.

[01:08:40] One episode of the podcast left.

[01:08:43] So I'm going to bring it up now and then we're going to play

[01:08:46] the feedback from Steve.

[01:08:47] Actually, we'll play the feedback from Steve first.

[01:08:49] Yeah, because that's usually how we do it.

[01:08:51] So we're going to get at least one mic drop.

[01:08:53] Because I said it during the episode when I was watching it.

[01:08:56] Did you?

[01:08:57] You're here.

[01:08:59] Yeah, mic drop.

[01:08:59] Yeah.

[01:08:59] So, but yeah, we do have our voicemail from Steve this week.

[01:09:02] So let's play that now.

[01:09:04] Hello, Ben and Kristen.

[01:09:05] This is Steve.

[01:09:06] And yeah, I was totally blown away by your theory.

[01:09:09] And I think you're absolutely correct the way you laid it out

[01:09:11] and explained it.

[01:09:12] And the fact again that there was a body of the brother

[01:09:14] that obviously the, the Titus Wilover prior to Jacob

[01:09:19] killing him is his brother.

[01:09:21] But then Man in Black is not his brother just taking

[01:09:24] the form of his brother.

[01:09:25] It totally makes sense now.

[01:09:26] And I understand it.

[01:09:28] So so many things that are coming clear.

[01:09:30] One of the things I wanted to pick up on also of your

[01:09:32] conversation, if you consider the new man in charge

[01:09:36] short as canon, I don't know if you guys have watched that yet.

[01:09:40] I don't want to spoil it.

[01:09:41] I was going to spoil it for you, but I don't want to spoil it.

[01:09:43] But I'll give a little tiny spoiler for it.

[01:09:45] In that short, Hurley passes on the protectorate or

[01:09:49] possibly passes on the protection,

[01:09:50] the protection of the island to another character.

[01:09:54] So that may be why we see him in the church.

[01:09:56] Oh, and you can edit that out if you think it's too

[01:09:59] spoilery or not canon.

[01:10:00] And here we go.

[01:10:01] What they died for.

[01:10:03] Okay.

[01:10:04] That previously on, oh, we got an eye opening scene here

[01:10:07] at the beginning.

[01:10:08] I don't know how good that could be for the baby Claire.

[01:10:10] Eating a cereal called super brand.

[01:10:12] I mean, come on.

[01:10:14] Oh, why is Desmond pretending to be oceanic saying

[01:10:17] they found Jack's coffin daddy?

[01:10:21] Nip it too much, but the bullet went straight through

[01:10:22] Kate.

[01:10:24] Isn't he going to have to stitch both sides?

[01:10:26] No, seriously, Desmond, you're not going to run down

[01:10:28] again.

[01:10:28] Are you?

[01:10:29] Ben's got him.

[01:10:30] Oh, he just slapped Ben and oh, he's slamming

[01:10:33] him against the hood.

[01:10:34] Oh, and now we know how he's going to get Ben

[01:10:37] to remember is by beating on him.

[01:10:40] Wow, Miles, Ben and why is Nester

[01:10:45] Carmel's character escaping me now?

[01:10:47] Richard, they're on a fool's errand because

[01:10:50] the planes are already been destroyed and the

[01:10:51] cell has been destroyed.

[01:10:52] A secret room.

[01:10:55] Zoe and Charles Wynmore.

[01:10:57] What is this true?

[01:10:59] So Charles had the plane wired with explosives

[01:11:01] as well as the explosives that Oh, no,

[01:11:03] locks explosives went on the sub so that

[01:11:06] wasn't the plane.

[01:11:07] I'm confused.

[01:11:08] But now Charles Wynmore says that Jacob invited

[01:11:10] him.

[01:11:10] So OK, obviously that's a Jacobs visit.

[01:11:13] We didn't see that was off screen.

[01:11:15] A concert at Cop Miles' father's museum.

[01:11:19] Obviously an opportunity for all of them to meet.

[01:11:22] Oh, and now Desmond is in jail with Kate and

[01:11:26] Saeed in the sideways flash.

[01:11:28] Wow, Hurley just got surprised by young Jacob

[01:11:31] ghost.

[01:11:32] I don't know, but he wants the ashes of

[01:11:34] whatever.

[01:11:35] Oh, and now we have older Jacob.

[01:11:38] I had to pause because Jacob just said

[01:11:40] we're very close to the end and this is

[01:11:41] the penultimate episode.

[01:11:44] Penultimate where did that word come from?

[01:11:46] I love Miles.

[01:11:48] Good luck with that.

[01:11:49] I'm out of here and he just dips and there's

[01:11:52] the chittering and so much for Richard.

[01:11:54] Wait, wait, that's what's your name?

[01:11:58] Alex's actual birth mom.

[01:12:00] I'm blanking, but dang we haven't seen her since

[01:12:03] season what to that's crazy.

[01:12:06] She's going to give them a ride home.

[01:12:07] Wow.

[01:12:08] Hey, I only have the use of one hand right now

[01:12:10] too.

[01:12:10] So I feel Ben Linus is pain.

[01:12:13] His name Marceau Marceau.

[01:12:15] Marceau, that was her name.

[01:12:16] Well, that's kind of a sweet moment between Ben and Marceau,

[01:12:18] but now he's leading not locked to kill the others.

[01:12:22] So whatever.

[01:12:23] Wow.

[01:12:24] Cold Ben.

[01:12:25] He just shot Charles.

[01:12:26] He doesn't get to save his daughter.

[01:12:30] Wait, wait, they can see why can Jack,

[01:12:34] Kate and Sawyer see him now?

[01:12:38] Jacob, I mean.

[01:12:39] Oh, what they died for.

[01:12:40] He just said the title of the episode, Mike drop.

[01:12:43] Of course, they're not going to show us everything

[01:12:44] he says to him about protecting the island when the ashes burn out.

[01:12:48] So Lock sideways lock just told Jack he might want to be fixed

[01:12:51] and we come back to the others around the fire.

[01:12:54] Maybe Jacob is going to tell us everything.

[01:12:57] Okay, so Jack steps up to become director of the other island.

[01:13:02] Jack and his God complex and Hugo saying, oh,

[01:13:05] I'm glad it's not me, but we know what the end is.

[01:13:08] The Jack to strength, the whatever the water that

[01:13:10] Jacob blessed with his Latin phrases, Starbucks order, whatever.

[01:13:15] And now he's like Jacob.

[01:13:17] Oh, and Lucia is the amulet is that the prison driver jail person crazy.

[01:13:24] It looks like Desmond has Hugo's car.

[01:13:28] Oh, nice not knowing you.

[01:13:30] And she's not coming with us.

[01:13:32] Wow, she's not ready yet.

[01:13:33] Wow, Desmond.

[01:13:34] Oh, and the concert of the museum is going to be the quintessential

[01:13:38] of the place.

[01:13:40] That dress is going to look amazing on Kate.

[01:13:42] Oh, okay.

[01:13:43] Here we go to the finale.

[01:13:47] That last comment kind of came out of nowhere.

[01:13:49] Well, it that was a very sexy dress.

[01:13:52] I know what he's talking about.

[01:13:53] And it's so funny because I'm pretty sure that was a strapless dress

[01:13:57] and the the hanger, the hanger tabs or whatever were hot pink.

[01:14:03] So that was just interesting.

[01:14:05] So I'm wondering if that's actually going to be straps on her dress next

[01:14:08] week or if it's strapless because it looked like a strapless dress,

[01:14:12] but those hot pink hanger, hanger upper girls know what I'm talking about.

[01:14:19] Well, don't I mean, and don't ask me how I know this,

[01:14:22] but don't strapless dresses still have things on the inside

[01:14:25] so that you can hang them?

[01:14:27] That's what I'm saying.

[01:14:28] Those little things on the inside.

[01:14:29] Yeah, they were hot pink.

[01:14:30] They weren't black and the dress was black.

[01:14:34] Oh, yeah.

[01:14:35] Yeah, that would be weird.

[01:14:36] I love how I love how Steve started this off with like,

[01:14:39] this is a spoiler but never late spoiler.

[01:14:41] I don't want to spoil anything, but despite your spoiler.

[01:14:43] So maybe it's a spoiler.

[01:14:45] He didn't know if it was a spoiler or not.

[01:14:48] He did mention the eye opening, which we didn't really talk about.

[01:14:52] Right.

[01:14:54] Because the finale ends as an eye closing with an eye closing,

[01:14:58] which is a perfect bookend for the way.

[01:15:02] And Steve, just to answer your question.

[01:15:04] The word ultimate means last in Latin.

[01:15:08] So pen ultimate means next to last.

[01:15:11] That's where the term pen ultimate came from.

[01:15:14] As always, it's Latin.

[01:15:16] Right.

[01:15:16] It could have been worse Steve too because we referred to this episode as

[01:15:20] the pen ultimate, but third from last in Latin means anti-pen ultimate,

[01:15:25] which we didn't use that.

[01:15:27] Thank God.

[01:15:28] I know.

[01:15:29] It's too much.

[01:15:30] It's too long.

[01:15:34] But again, I will reiterate as we did in the beginning of the podcast,

[01:15:37] we want your feedback for this.

[01:15:38] Let us know we are at the finale.

[01:15:41] It doesn't even need to be long either.

[01:15:43] No, just give us quick little blurbs.

[01:15:46] You don't have to leave a voicemail.

[01:15:47] You can type it out and we will read it for you.

[01:15:50] It is perfectly fine.

[01:15:51] But like let us know your thoughts in the finale,

[01:15:54] what they were at the time,

[01:15:55] have they changed since listening to the podcast?

[01:15:58] Do you think it's better?

[01:15:59] Do you think it's worse?

[01:16:01] What do you think of the podcast?

[01:16:03] Are you excited about Ted Lasso?

[01:16:04] Whatever it is, let us know.

[01:16:07] And we will use it next week.

[01:16:09] Again, easiest way.

[01:16:11] Revisitedpod.com, where you can go to like, listen and subscribe,

[01:16:15] as well as send feedback or email us directly.

[01:16:18] Feedback at revisitedpod.com.

[01:16:21] Type up an email, record yourself in a voicemail and send it.

[01:16:24] Either way, we would appreciate it.

[01:16:29] Recommendations for this week.

[01:16:31] You can't use the Soka because you already used it.

[01:16:38] Recommendations for this week.

[01:16:40] I don't have any.

[01:16:41] I don't have any.

[01:16:42] Okay, good.

[01:16:43] None.

[01:16:44] So there is a brand new game on Xbox that is releasing this week.

[01:16:51] Just Xbox?

[01:16:53] It's only on Xbox.

[01:16:56] If you bought the digital version,

[01:16:58] you were able to play it early.

[01:17:01] You were able to play it as of September 1st,

[01:17:03] so it's been out for two days if you have the deluxe version.

[01:17:08] I had the game already and I was going to have to wait until September 6th,

[01:17:13] but I had so many people I know who were already playing it

[01:17:16] because they bought the deluxe version that I bought the upgrade

[01:17:19] to the deluxe version so that I could start playing it.

[01:17:22] And FOMO?

[01:17:23] It really was FOMO,

[01:17:26] but it's a game called Starfield and it is a...

[01:17:29] Oh, you've told me about this.

[01:17:30] It is a massive brand new universe by Bethesda

[01:17:35] who do Skyrim and Fallout and a bunch of other games.

[01:17:42] Is it like Open World?

[01:17:43] It's very Open World.

[01:17:44] Yeah, there's over like 1,000 planets you can visit.

[01:17:48] So it's very Open World.

[01:17:50] I know I'm going to be spending a lot of time in it,

[01:17:52] at least until Spider-Man 2 comes out in October

[01:17:55] and then I will be playing Spider-Man 2

[01:17:58] until I beat Spider-Man 2 and then I'll go back to Starfield.

[01:18:02] And I have still yet to play.

[01:18:04] I have it, but I've still yet to start Hogwarts.

[01:18:07] It's so good.

[01:18:08] I know. I want to play it.

[01:18:09] It's so good. It's so fun.

[01:18:11] I need a new game.

[01:18:12] I think I'm going to do Star Wars.

[01:18:15] The... We have, I think it's either Survivor or Fallout.

[01:18:19] I can't remember which one we have.

[01:18:21] Jedi...

[01:18:22] Yeah, I think Jedi Survivor is the first one.

[01:18:26] I think I can...

[01:18:27] Okay. Adam's been playing it a lot lately and it looks fun.

[01:18:31] But I really want to play that new game that's coming out.

[01:18:34] That is Star Wars Open World.

[01:18:37] Yeah, I'm looking forward to that too.

[01:18:39] Sorry, Jedi Fallen Order is the first one.

[01:18:43] Fallen Order.

[01:18:44] Jedi Survivor is the second one.

[01:18:46] We have one of the two.

[01:18:48] I can't remember.

[01:18:50] Yeah, I'm looking forward to...

[01:18:51] And then what's the new one going to be called?

[01:18:55] And when does it come out?

[01:18:57] I think it's like Outlaw.

[01:18:59] Outlaw. I think you're right.

[01:19:02] Star Wars Outlaws. Yep.

[01:19:06] When does that come out?

[01:19:06] That's what I'm looking forward to too.

[01:19:09] Let's see.

[01:19:10] Set to release in 2024.

[01:19:13] Well, that sucks.

[01:19:16] Yeah, but the way time moves, it'll be here before you know it.

[01:19:20] All right.

[01:19:22] I need it because I need the time to get through Starfield and Spider-Man.

[01:19:26] And then start Hogwarts.

[01:19:28] It's so busy with video games.

[01:19:30] I'm really not.

[01:19:32] I just don't have a lot of time to play video games.

[01:19:34] I totally get it.

[01:19:35] I don't have time for anything anymore.

[01:19:37] I'm so glad that we get this time together every week

[01:19:40] because seriously, Monday through Friday, my whole life is work.

[01:19:45] It's very pathetic and sad.

[01:19:49] I'm excited because...

[01:19:51] So, door dashing is starting to pick back up again,

[01:19:53] which is good because this summer sucked.

[01:19:57] But the other thing I'm really excited for is because up here in PA,

[01:20:01] I have officially retired my shorts and I've switched back to jeans.

[01:20:06] I'm so jealous.

[01:20:07] So happy about that.

[01:20:09] Yeah.

[01:20:10] All of most of my work wear for school is fall and winter wear.

[01:20:18] So I always struggle in the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year.

[01:20:22] I wear the same like four dresses.

[01:20:24] And then once we get to colder months, I'm like, yes,

[01:20:28] I've got the pants and the sweaters and the cardigans.

[01:20:31] This week is going back up into like the high 80s early, like low 90s.

[01:20:36] I don't care.

[01:20:37] I'm in jeans mode now.

[01:20:39] I don't care.

[01:20:40] It is so hot in the year.

[01:20:44] I look forward to the time of year where I get to trade in shorts and t-shirts for jeans and hoodies.

[01:20:50] Yeah.

[01:20:51] It is my favorite time of year.

[01:20:53] Flannel sheets.

[01:20:54] That's what I get excited about switching over to flannel sheets.

[01:20:58] I get so excited.

[01:21:00] Yeah, I do too.

[01:21:01] I really, really do.

[01:21:04] And it's the little things.

[01:21:05] So any final notes before we get out of here?

[01:21:09] No.

[01:21:10] Hope everybody had a good Labor Day weekend.

[01:21:12] You'll be listening to this when it's wrapping up.

[01:21:15] Labor Day weekend is wrapping up.

[01:21:16] So hope everybody had a really good Labor Day weekend.

[01:21:19] Yeah, me too.

[01:21:20] Yeah, this is launching.

[01:21:21] This is dropping on Labor Day.

[01:21:22] So yeah.

[01:21:23] I am very happy about a three day weekend.

[01:21:26] We're going, we're going to go down to my aunt's house in Charlotte and have a family dip and sip.

[01:21:33] Burgers, hot dogs in the pool.

[01:21:35] Hey, I'm having burgers and dogs later on today too.

[01:21:38] Yay, that'll be fun.

[01:21:40] And I'm taking my computer with me so that I can do schoolwork.

[01:21:44] Oh, yeah, that's fun.

[01:21:49] So all right then on that note.

[01:21:52] Thank you as always for being a part of this.

[01:21:53] Thank you for liking, commenting, subscribing, all that you guys do.

[01:21:56] But until next time, I gotta think of something different than what, how we end this for after next week.

[01:22:01] So you back on the pitch.

[01:22:03] Yeah, there we go.

[01:22:04] Yeah, I got it.

[01:22:05] Don't worry.

[01:22:06] Oh, and we are going to do so next week is the finale.

[01:22:10] We are going to do a quick little bonus episode to fit in between the finale and Ted Lasso where we will talk about new man in charge.

[01:22:19] It's only an 11 minute short.

[01:22:20] So we're not going to talk in length about it, but we'll do we'll do like a quick maybe like 20, 30 minutes discussion on it in some time in between.

[01:22:30] But back to what I was saying.

[01:22:32] Until next time, we'll see you guys further on down that rabbit hole.

[01:22:36] Take care.

[01:22:37] Bye.

[01:22:54] We have to go back.

[01:22:56] We have to go back.