15: "Special Treatments" (S3E2)

[00:00:01] or whatever. Hmmm. Paying Palimony, right? So ridiculous, lose her! Can you imagine? I mean I'd be furious after he freeloaded off of her for years. I guess the whole thing's been, you know, really hard on Ellie, which is so sad because she was such an adorable little girl. My God, she was so cute.

[00:00:30] I wanted to steal her. but I guess she's turned into a real... Yeah. What? Apparently she's been kicked out of two schools. No. She's like a hitter. She's a bruiser. Oh, no. She throws furniture. What? You have to wonder about these people who insist on raising their kids in New York. I mean, what are they thinking?

[00:01:00] Honestly, the kids can't play. There's no childhood. They're all, like, sucking each other off at, like, eight years old. I am sure they're doing that in Texas, too, Kate. Hello. Welcome to The White Lotus, a podcast dedicated to the show The White Lotus.

[00:01:29] We're the resort managers. If you need anything, let us know. And please, enjoy your stay. Sawati krav, everybody. Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Jenny. And I'm Randy. For this episode, we're covering White Lotus, season three, episode two, special treatments. And we all have our feet in foot baths for this. Right.

[00:01:56] And we're getting massaged by each other. It's making the microphone placement really hard. We decided instead of taking turns, we would just do each other once. That I love, by the way, I love that whole special treatments montage. Yep. With the music and everything. It was just a work of art. Yes. But were they special?

[00:02:24] I mean, they're pretty special, I think. I've never had anybody see salt my feet. I mean, do you mean like, were they something that we've never seen before? No. But they're special. I don't know. The water hammock is a new one to me. I'm sure that's too, I wonder if that's like 50 bucks an hour or 250 bucks an hour. And whatever Lachlan was doing,

[00:02:53] he looked like he was in a sensory deprivation tank, except there was light. And then later someone asked him if he, or his sister Piper asked him if he was able to meditate. So I guess it was just meditating in water or something. Just the chance to be in some quiet. Yeah. I did a sensory deprivation one time, but oh God, I had this ear plug in my ear, you know, cause you're in water and it was uncomfortable

[00:03:22] and I pulled it out a little bit, but the water like sucked into the vacuum that it made. And it felt like a spike went into my ear. So it was like no senses, except for this feeling that there was a spike in my ear. I just imagine there's like somebody. Completely. Yeah. Somebody walking in for their first time ever. And they're like, oh, this is going to be so relaxed. And then they just hear you going. Oh my God. My ears. Yeah. All right. Let me apologize everyone and get into the plot summary of White Lotus season three,

[00:03:52] episode two, special treatments. Kate and Jacqueline discuss Laurie's messy divorce and her troubled daughter while Laurie is out of the room. Later, when Jacqueline is absent, Kate gossips with Laurie about Jacqueline's suspected narcissism and question her marriage to her much younger husband. At breakfast, Kate approaches Victoria revealing they had met at a baby shower a decade earlier, but Victoria awkwardly rebuffs her. At Chelsea's insistence, Rick attends a meditation session with the hotel's counselor,

[00:04:21] and he opens up slightly about his troubled childhood. Guy talk reveals his true feelings to Mook, but she gently dismisses his advances. I think it's later. Mook. Mook. Okay. Later, Valentine distracts guy talk. I think they said guy talk differently too. She's kind of says good talk, but we'll have to listen more closely. At the security gate and a robbery takes place at the hotel boutique where Chelsea and Chloe are shopping. Belinda and Porn Chai exchange messages, massages.

[00:04:52] It's much better than messages. Piper's upset by her brother's comments and questions about her sex life. When Chelsea and Rick dine with Chloe and Greg in the evening, Greg is evasive about the details of his life. I mean, should we be calling him Gary? Cause we don't really know this guy's name, honestly. Yeah. I think just to avoid confusion, maybe we should say Greg. Cause that's how most people think of him, but wait, he went by Gary. Yeah. Yeah. He's going by Gary.

[00:05:19] And I'm pretty sure with the gays and season two, he was Steve. Yeah. So we don't know who he is really. But anyway, Timothy continues receiving calls from high profile publications about his potential involvement in a major money laundering operation. And finally connects with Kenny who believes he is certain to be arrested and threatened suicide in a state of panic. Overhearing hotel owner, Sritala planning to visit her husband in the hospital. Rick tells Chelsea,

[00:05:49] he must leave briefly for Bangkok. That was a long one, but that's because me and Jenny last night, she was like, how many episodes this? And I was like, it's eight. And season six, I mean, season one was six episodes. Two was seven, three was eight. And that's because there's more characters. Yeah. I was looking it up in Wikipedia and it said there were something like nine main characters in one. And there's like 15 in season three with 10 recurring characters. Well, I did notice in this episode, in the intro,

[00:06:19] we have a new title card for Greg. The actor plays Greg, but prior to him, there's like three that don't have any names and there's a space in between them. So it's possible. We may get a couple more characters in the mix. More surprises. Yep. I mean, I don't think they would do this, but I sort of wonder if we might get Tanya. Is that her name? Tanya. Yeah. Jennifer Coolidge, Jennifer Coolidge. Yeah. As a ghost. Yeah.

[00:06:48] Since it's all spiritual, you know, that'd be great. If Greg has been haunted by her the whole time. Yes. Every night. What did you think about this one in general, Jenny? Oh, I loved it. Cause so much happened. I mean, it, it just, it was nonstop. Right. And all the characters got developed and all the stories got developed and they sometimes went, you know, unexpected way, which I love. Cause I love being surprised when I watch TV. Cause I'm kind of a, uh,

[00:07:18] annoying person who's like, Oh, I know what's going to happen. And 80% of the time I do know what's happening, but with this, this show, uh, it's, it's always surprising and entertaining. And my, my number one thing is the trio of, of ladies. Right. So it went from like, Oh, here's the girls trip, possible cat fight, whatever kind of thing to like something way, in my opinion, way more fundamental, which is when there are three or more and they separate,

[00:07:49] you will inevitably talk about the other person. And this is not just girls. This is not just, you know, women. This, this could just be at work where you're just like, dude, John was late five days in a row and I had to cover him. Right. I was about to say something about you to Randy when you popped on. Yeah. I was just thinking, we're like, we're three people here. I mean, like this is like this. I mean, everyone knows what this is all about. Right. I think so. Yeah. Honestly. Right. Yep.

[00:08:18] You feel it to some degree for sure. Randy, how did you like it? I enjoyed this one as well. And piggybacking on what Jenny said this season, like I legitimately feel like anyone could be the killer. I feel like there's a motive for every single character in my mind at this point. So to kill a random person or kill somebody. Yeah. Whether it's accidental or like intentional,

[00:08:46] like I feel like every character has, and we've had twists in the past in the other seasons where you're like, Oh, that's who did it. And like, it felt like they were setting somebody up to potentially be the killer. And you're like, that's going to be the guy who does it. But in this one, I'm kind of like any character here feels like they could snap and do something. The only one I'd be surprised if it was, this person is Rick Walton Goggins,

[00:09:15] because he seems like the two obvious choice. Yeah. Yep. You know, and I think he's going to be a big teddy bear by the end of this. Yeah. I'm feeling that arc as well. We'll see. I loved it. I thought it was so funny. That was probably my favorite thing, but it was just beautiful. And as Jenny said, so much was happening and, and it was just a pleasure to watch. And I was sort of bummed when it was over. So I'm feeling totally in on this season in a way that I wasn't quite after the

[00:09:45] first episode, which is a good feeling. Okay. Jenny, I think you were going to go deeper into the trio of ladies, correct? Yeah. Just, just, you know, first you think it's going to be the, the two more possibly more accomplished ladies and, and the third less accomplished or less good looking lady with less makeup and all that stuff. And suddenly you're like, Oh no, this is humanity. This is, yeah. And, and,

[00:10:13] and it's interesting because then you start thinking like, how have I acted like this? Right. And, and I have, you know, and you think like, why do I talk about people behind their back? And, and you can't avoid it. Sometimes you're just like, dude, how am I going to approach this person to a complaint that they've been late five days in a row? And you tend to bounce ideas off of other people. And so you think that's like, that's, that's okay. Right. The, once you watch the show, you're like, is it? Or when you're with your friend, your friend,

[00:10:42] you talk about what you have in common, which is this other friend, but you're more likely to say something that you probably wouldn't say in front of your other friend. Sometimes not more likely, but sometimes, right. You might, it might genuinely just be, Oh man, what a great guy. But you might be like, well, what do we think about this? Like, is he all right or whatever, you know, it doesn't have to be super catty, but it could still be something that maybe you wouldn't say in front of the guy. I don't, maybe I'm just revealing something about myself, but I do think you're right. That people get this, you know,

[00:11:12] where there's like a, you're trying to almost validate your own feelings sometimes where you're like, has that person been doing this thing weird? Or is that just me? So you got to ask that once in a while. Otherwise it drives you insane. And then if you're fortunate, the other person is like, yeah, they choose so loud. And you're like, yeah, we have something to be angry about together. Yeah. And then the next time you're all three together and they're chewing loud and you guys look over at each other.

[00:11:41] But what I like about it, and I think what you're kind of getting at Jenny too, is it's not like they're sitting there. At least we don't know that they're sitting there secretly hating each other. I don't know if it's like that. It could be for one or more of them, but I think when, like when they're all three together and Valentin comes up and they're like, Ooh, sexy Valentin. And they tell Lori, you should go for that. You're the only one that's not married. And they're all giggling about it, that there's genuine affection there and fun.

[00:12:11] And they're actually probably are enjoying hanging out with each other here. But then those things just naturally come up because people like Jacqueline, when she's talking about, Oh yeah, in Texas, they probably do have fatty food. I don't think she's, I don't think she's necessarily trying to put Kate down there. I think she's just being clueless, but Kate is affronted by it, of course. And they mentioned, Oh, Jacqueline's probably a narcissist later because she said that. Right. And it sort of brought that cattiness out,

[00:12:41] but I don't think they're there necessarily to one up each other. I could be wrong about that, but I think it's more complicated than that. I mean, even Valentine, Valentine, Valentine is a, is a, is a good example, right? Like they start comparing their notes about what he said to them. And, and it almost becomes like rational mom kind of thing. And, and I don't know. I just think it's very brilliantly done by Mike white in terms of just,

[00:13:10] you see this kind of normal issue and it being white Lotus, you know, it's going to be a lot worse than real life, but you identify with it because this is something that happens. So, yeah, very much looking forward to how this arc goes. Cause at first I was like, it's an interesting arc, but it wasn't as interesting. But now I'm just like, huh, this is almost my favorite arc. I mean, the crazy family, you know, is no longer on top. Now for me,

[00:13:39] the trio of girls is the storyline that I'm fascinated by. Yeah. Yeah. When they first got together and started talking about it last episode, how wonderful they all were. My first thought was, Oh, they're going to be hating each other by the end of this. And then I thought, no, that's too maybe cliched and predictable. And now I'm like, yeah, I think it might be heading that way, or at least we'll get some of that. But Mike white does it so well that I don't care. Yeah.

[00:14:09] It does feel like something is maybe nothing. It feels like something fractured them a little bit at some point. Cause at least Jacqueline and Lori haven't seen each other for a while. I think she says it's been like four years or something. It might just be in different locations. She's in New York and I'm guessing Jacqueline's in LA maybe. And then he is in Austin. So they're all separated, but it does feel like. Yeah.

[00:14:38] I don't know if there's like a comparing each other to each other's success. And like, they want to be supportive of each other, but at the same time, they want to be the best one. And I feel like this is something that has probably happened since they were in school. And like now they're adults and it's probably just going to come out much more viciously because they have the tools now to be more vicious or something along those lines.

[00:15:07] I was actually pleased to hear that they had been having dinner only twice a year, you know, every year. And then hadn't seen each other for four years. Cause that seems actually closer than I thought they were. I thought they were like, Oh, we maybe haven't seen each other in 10 years or 20 years. So this, to be honest, is the, is how often I get together with my college friends. Yeah. Yep. It's sad how that happens. Yeah. So I identify with this level of semi closeness,

[00:15:37] but actually really not that close. Yeah. Um, you mentioned Valentin and I kind of wondered why, if the women were telling the truth that he, you know, kind of a flattered Lori and Jacqueline, but not Kate. Yeah. Yeah. Why? He's a good service personnel and knows exactly what to say. People who are lower self-esteem need to be brought up.

[00:16:07] And people who know who they are, appreciate being talked to straight. Even though he's guessing all of them. Yeah. She is the middle one. And like in the, what I see as like the hierarchy of this group. And she's been deemed average, which has probably been her thing the whole time. Like she wants to be Jacqueline, but she's not getting it. But I think that works story wise.

[00:16:32] Why professionally Valentin didn't say the same thing to her is a little mysterious. It's weird. I thought since we're talking about these three, it would be good to just go over the goss that came out, which was that Lori had a deadbeat husband who was freeloading off of her. And then they broke up and she had to pay alimony. Her daughter who Kate in episode one had said was turning into a cool girl has

[00:17:01] been kicked out of schools and she's a hitter, a bruiser and throws furniture, which I shouldn't laugh at. There's something like I'm imagining she hulks out and she's throwing like a couch. That's hilarious. And Kate was judgmental of Lori raising her in New York. I think that's what was going on there. And then, Oh yeah, she goes, I mean, what are they thinking? Honestly, the kids can't play.

[00:17:30] There's no childhood. They're all like sucking each other off at like eight. Eight years old. Yeah. I love that. Jacqueline's reaction. Like you expect her to be like, no, they are not. But she's just like, yeah, they're, they're probably doing that where you are too. Yeah. She's like, I'm sure they're doing that in Texas too, which is a way to make her feel okay about it. Somehow. That was so funny. Um, Lori didn't get promoted to partner. So she stalled out at the job where she's been at her whole life.

[00:17:59] And they're saying she looks tired and defeated might be the drinking. So they're just like really catty with her. And then they're like, Oh, but I love her so much. Yeah. I worry about her. And then that's right. When she bangs on the glass, that was such a great moment. Did you guys jump? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Jump scares don't usually get me and I was not expecting it. So I, I jumped. You wouldn't expect it in this. Um, and then let's see.

[00:18:28] Then later when, uh, Lori and Kate are together, Lori calls Jacqueline competitive, says she's a narcissist. Kate resists joining in for a second, but then jumps in. And I think that is because of what Jacqueline said on the beach about, Oh, I'm sure there must be fattier food in Texas instead of saying, no, you look great or whatever. Um, then she said, did she sandblast her face or something? It's very waxy. Gosh, she had that face that everyone wanted.

[00:18:58] So I don't know. I guess I'm just going over what they said, but, um, it was interesting to see what they think about each other. Yeah. It's almost the opposite. They're saying the opposite of what they said before daughter's cool. Daughter's not so cool. You look great. You don't look great. Yeah. And I do like how they like eased into the trash talking. Like they're kind of checking with each other. Like, Hey, are we about to do this? Or can we, yeah. They make some statement like, well, she's so, you know,

[00:19:28] and then they're like, well, well, what? And you're like, all right, fine. I'll tell you, you're demanding it basically. Yeah. Easing in dipping a toe in at first. And you wonder, I mean, I wondered if now, uh, Lori and Jacqueline will get together and talk shit about Kate. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Or at least when they're falling apart. Sure. Very successful throuples. Never talked to on two.

[00:19:58] Yeah. They were never allowed to go into a room without each other. All three of them. Yeah. All right. Randy. All right. Well, I noticed in the, uh, plot summary that they say, Valentine distracts guy talk at the security gate, which I guess this is written. That's from wiki. I assume. Yes. So it's written by viewers, but yeah, I want to talk, uh, like a little bit of a supposition,

[00:20:28] right? Yeah. Yep. So yeah, I want to talk about the robbery. Well, it doesn't mean he intentionally distracted him, he was distracted. That's true. He was distracted, but I, I feel like he intentionally distracted him and he was a part of something because he pulls up and he happens to stop right where the bar would come down. He didn't finish crossing. And then he starts having the conversation with guy talk. And it feels like these are guys who like see each other once in a while,

[00:20:58] but they're not like hanging out every night. So the fact that he stops to be like, Hey, I I've got, a ticket I could give you to go to the show. Like guy talk is clearly very into it. And like, he seems kind of like he could be a little bit of a loner, somebody who wants a little more acceptance and like friends. So he seems a little more vulnerable to that type of interaction, but it does seem like Valentine stops there intentionally to let the car go through.

[00:21:28] Yeah. Cause when the car went through guy talk started to go after them and that's when Valentine said, Oh, by the way, I think I have a ticket or whatever. So just to get his attention back, that's where it really felt like, okay, he did this on purpose. And Valentine doesn't even really glance at the car. He like very briefly looks, but he's not like, Oh, who's that coming by me or anything? It's like, he knows somebody is about to come by. Yeah. Um,

[00:21:53] but what I'm wondering is if this goes even deeper and I feel like these are all just me making some predictions here, but it seemed like Chloe right before they went to the store was talking to Chelsea and was like, Hey, we should go shopping. There's this great shop over there. And while they're sitting on the chairs, um, Chelsea stops talking and like looks away.

[00:22:23] And while she does that, Chloe's like seen on her phone doing something. So I'm wondering if she's texting somebody and saying like, Hey, I'm about to head over there. And then just by chance, she happens to be in the changing room as the robbery is happening. It feels like very convenient timing. So she might've just said, this seems like a good time or something like that. Like the coast is clear maybe or something. It might be a stretch, but it just, the timing,

[00:22:52] if I were a cop showing up there, the timing of some of those things seemed suspicious. I mean, if I was a cop, you'd think, I mean, Guy Talk said this episode, I'm not very smart, but if he was smart, he might sort of say, you know, that Valentin guy seemed to be like maybe helping these guys get through. But he wants to go to that fight. If I was a cop, I would be suspecting Guy Talk, to be honest. I mean, so I don't know.

[00:23:22] I don't, I don't think Chloe has any need to help two people rob a jewelry store where resale value is rather low. She has a rich, fairly rich girlfriend who just gave her a credit card. Credit card. Yeah. To buy stuff from that store. But Valentin could be a little, I do think he could be a little sus. And, and I feel, and you know, I don't know. I mean, as someone who works in a place that has security,

[00:23:51] yes, people get through. They, they get through because you're distracted. And, and, you know, 99.95% of the time, it means nothing. But of course, you never know. Well, Chloe is there with Greg and Greg is a person who scams people. He also could have burnt through his money at this time. He could also be working on this to some degree,

[00:24:21] but those again are just like me, me looking at clues that might not actually be clues and trying to put together. But the other one that happened in there is Chelsea asks to look at the snake choker and they take it out and it's on that little stand and she's touching it and looking at it. And then the robbery happens. They come in, they smash the glass and then they take the choker. And you like, they,

[00:24:49] they show a shot of that happening. But then when the police come in later, they're, uh, I don't know, like UV. I feel like this seems a little. CSI E, but they were making the fingerprints glow on that. And they had gloves on, I think. So I think it's. Chelsea's fingerprints on there. So now I'm wondering like, okay, Chloe brought somebody there who kind of looks like her.

[00:25:17] She's got her fingerprints on things. Is she going to somehow frame her? For, for this somehow. And yes, I'm, I'm. You are totally in 100% conspiracy. I mean, right now I'm thinking, yes, we have a closeup of the snake. A choker. Cause guess what? It's going to show up again. Yeah, that's a, you know what? That's a better point. I mean, I think on this show,

[00:25:47] you know, after everything with Greg, that stuff is plausible. Yeah. So I think it's worthwhile. Put it out there. See what happens. But maybe unlikely. Yeah. This will be my big bet. All right. I mean, as I said, I thought one of the things I loved about the episode was how funny it was. So I'm just going to go through some things that I thought were particularly funny.

[00:26:15] The one we already mentioned with Lori pounding on the window and scaring the two and it scared them because it was an abrupt noise, but also because they were just talking shit about her. Yeah. That's what was so good about it. When Victoria told her husband, Timothy, that she, he should take lorazepam to sleep like she does. And he goes, well, you know, I don't like taking drugs. And then son Saxon says, you know, I'm like you, dad. I don't take drugs either.

[00:26:45] And then Piper says, what are you talking about? You take Adderall all day Saxon so I can get shit done. Oh, it doesn't. If you have a reason, then it doesn't count. I do heroin so that I can forget the world. It's not a drug. It doesn't count. When Piper was mad at her dad for using the phone and he said, we came all the way here for you and your thesis. So make some concessions for the rest of us. Okay.

[00:27:14] But I didn't choose to stay at this hotel. And he goes, well, we chose it because it's your kind of thing. No, it's not. It's like a Disneyland for rich Bohemians from Malibu and their Lululemon yoga pants. And then Kate and Lori and Jacqueline roll up in their yoga pants. Yeah. Right on cue. Um, excuse me. I love that. Yes. And I totally get that whole Disneyland thing. Like it's so beautiful, but also, I mean, it's got,

[00:27:43] it looks tie, but it's manufactured, you know, it's like, you're going to go to a place and then go to this little tiny enclave. That's just been designed for foreigners. foreigners. And there's, yeah, no, no outside can actually get in except for jewelry thieves. They can get it. Yeah. If, um, guy talk doesn't do his damn job. Well, the most amazing thing was just how few leaves there were. I mean,

[00:28:10] like that's what I noticed about Disney is like they're constantly cleaning up. Right. It's the same thing here. I was just like, there isn't a single leaf on the ground. And I know that's part of the show, but I'm pretty sure the, you know, four seasons make sure there are no leaves. Yeah. Yeah. But I love how they show this like big, ugly bug. And it's just like this juxtaposition, like Thailand itself is a juxtaposition of the serene and the wild.

[00:28:38] And you can't keep out the wild. Yeah. And they have monkeys all over. Yeah. Yeah. That, that line from Piper though, did make me wonder are any of the characters actually at this resort? For what this resort provides. Like, it seems like it's a spot where you're supposed to go and forget your troubles and relax and meditate. But Piper said she didn't want to go there. So she's not there.

[00:29:07] The dad's clearly not engaging. Lachlan's kind of going with the flow, but again, he didn't want to be there. The three women just wants to get laid. The wife Victoria was just complaining about it the whole time. The first episode. Yeah. The three women I would say are there for that. But they're there to, I think, see each other, which I feel like you could do at any resort. They're, they're engaging, but I don't think they went there specifically for that. Yeah, I guess.

[00:29:37] But I mean, I, when you go on vacation, I feel like it's for, let's get together with our friends and do the spa, you know, that'll be relaxing. I don't know, but the family definitely. And definitely not Rick. No. Okay. More funny things. Saxon points out that Kate is with Jacqueline Lemon. Who's a famous actress. Victoria says, well, should I be impressed? Actresses are all basically prostitutes, which I didn't think that in itself was funny,

[00:30:06] but I just thought it was sort of ironically funny that Mike white wrote that for an actress to say. And that the family finds it funny. And I kind of get the feeling actors get a kick out of playing characters who dis actors. I've seen that a few different times. A couple more. Chelsea tells Rick, she made a dinner date with the, the two of them and her new friends. And she's like, you're going to have loads in common with him. The man in the couple.

[00:30:35] Yeah. Like what? You're both old. Nice. I mean, he's your age. Oh, and he's bald and you're going bald. I'm not going bald. That was so good. And she just said, does she say okay to that? She's just like smiles and needs water. She's like, okay. He really is. Yep. I love the conversation with Greg slash Gary and Rick. When, what'd you do before you retired this and that there's a lot of people here who do

[00:31:05] this and that decent line of work. It can be, that was just so good. Um, and then, and I'm sure we'll talk more about that, but it sounds like, um, Greg and Chloe met. I get the feeling that Rick is right. She's a sex worker. Yeah. Uh, they said it was a matchmaking service in Dubai, but when Greg says she's French and she goes, what do you mean? I'm not French. I'm from Quebec. And he goes, French, French, Canadian. What's the difference?

[00:31:34] Why do you have to be such a stickler about everything? And I'm like, what a dick you are, man. You're such a dick. Yeah. Oh God. He's just a total dick. Yeah. It's funny that he's the, the character that crosses all seasons. Right. The one that none of us are like, particularly like, Oh man, what's Greg up to? Yeah. But I'm always wondering what Greg is up to. Because we want him to get a comeuppance.

[00:32:03] We got a big smile when we saw him sitting there at dinner. She pointed at, and I think maybe it's because this show is largely about. Ultra wealthy. And he, this kind of a grifter guy is like a chaos agent. And in that world. Yep. So it's exciting to watch what he'll do to them, I guess, but I don't know. We didn't like what he did to Tonya. Anyway, that's all my funny stuff. Jenny, what do you got next?

[00:32:29] So I thought the trio was my favorite storyline of that episode. And the second one related to what you just said was Rick and Chelsea. I felt their relationship got fleshed out and made more complicated and interesting. Like I really liked the little details. Like after the robbery, she sees him, she hugs him. I mean, she's getting her emotional comfort from him, even though he's a grumpy old man. Right. She says things like,

[00:32:59] you have to do this treatment. We already paid for it, which is not something that people who are super wealthy, you know, say, and then she got the room comped. So the fact that they're kind of somewhat watching their dollars makes me realize that they're, you know, at a different strata of life. I don't know what it is, but it's not, it's not the, it's not the guy who says, I can't believe I risked it all for just $10 million.

[00:33:28] Maybe she's doing that just because she's used to it. Cause he doesn't seem to care. Well, then he could have been like, I'm not going to that. I don't care about the money, you know? Yeah. I mean, yeah, he's doing it for her, but still, he didn't go. Cause he cared about the money. I don't think. Right. He didn't say, Oh, you had a good point there. We spent the money. I should go. He was like, all right. I still think it's interesting. She's helping budget. Yeah. Yeah. Could mean something.

[00:33:55] One of the things that I thought was great is that when Rick comes back and he's talking about it, his, his stress session. And he's like, she made me sign up for another one. I'm like, how did, how did she pull that off? Like either he really got into it a little bit there or he is softening, but it also seems like he, for how grumpy and like, seems like he wants to do things his way.

[00:34:24] There's a lot of people in his life who keep just being like, all right, you're going to do this. And he's like, fine, I'm going to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So he's, he's, he's the classic grumpy marshmallow, right? Yeah. Yeah. But he's the, there are certain people I've noticed this in life who have this sort of reluctant attitude, but there's something else with it that draws people in to try to change them. You know, and particularly women sometimes.

[00:34:54] It's the hairline on him. He's mysterious. I don't know, but I, I thought this episode deepened his character too. Cause, uh, first off Walton Goggins, I think is doing such a great job embodying the sky with just this dark wounded aura, you know, it's, he doesn't say much. It's all in the vibe. Um, and even like when they wake up in the morning, which I love white Lotus does everyone waking up. I think,

[00:35:23] is it every episode starts at the beginning of the day and ends at the end of the day? This one is this, this, this one started at the night, which I thought was maybe a change that they're going to do, but then it was only one scene and then it cut to the morning, but usually it's morning to night. Yeah. So he wakes up, she's on top of him kind of snuggling, but asleep. And he tries to push her off, but he doesn't try too hard. You know, he's annoyed by the intimacy, but I think deep down he wants it. I think, I'm not sure,

[00:35:53] but I think, um, she signed him up for the stress management session with Amrita, who reminds me of on a Dermas, by the way. Um, and he's talking about being at a level eight of stress all the time, but weed helps. And I think there's a, um, theme this season of addiction or distraction to avoid pain. So this goes into that. Um, she's trying to just guide him into the natural way to feel better by saying,

[00:36:21] remember a time when your life was free of stress and it seems, it's clear that he had no time like that with his mom as a drug addict to OD and his father was murdered before he was born. And she says, meditation can bring relief. It can help you see the identity you've created brings you suffering. And he's like, I don't have an identity. I'm nothing. Uh, if nobody puts gas in the tank, it's empty. That's not an illusion. The car won't start. Nothing comes from nothing. Right. And that just seems so bleak and dark. And like,

[00:36:51] he's maybe, I think he's kind of down on himself, but yeah, it could just be a violent person, you know, strained and negative. It's like, he's a walking wound and he's kind of scary, but I'm still hoping he finds something here. And when he saw her after the robbery that you mentioned, and she hugged him, it seemed like he kind of was a little worried. Yeah. That had happened to her. Right. He went kind of running or not running,

[00:37:17] but it's just the fact that he showed up and like immediately hugged her and wasn't like asking questions or like. Yeah. Just comforted her. Yeah. So it seemed like there was a little humanity there. And then when they're in bed and he tells her he has to go to Bangkok, but won't say why. And she goes so mysterious. And he goes, I'm not. And starts kissing her for me. I, maybe I read that wrong, but I liked the dialogue because at least with this, he's saying he's not mysterious. Like I want what everybody wants or something, you know?

[00:37:46] And then they had this sexy scene and he seemed like to me, a sensitive lover in that moment. And, and there's okay. There is something between them besides him being annoyed with her. And it still could be kind of superficial, but I think it's more just like his intimacy comes out the cracks in, you know, it's not fully expressed, but there are little moments of it. Yeah. Certain times kind of thing. It's not seen publicly for sure.

[00:38:16] So she may be seeing a side of him that we, like we just saw a peek into it and she's actually actively working to like, get him to be that person more of the time, which I think so. Maybe a futile task to take. I would be curious, Jenny, did he see him like he was being a sensitive lover? I feel like two men were both just like, yeah, he was sensitive. Well, I mean, he started out slowly. I don't know. Okay.

[00:38:46] And then it cut to black, right? I mean, at that point I was putting the blanket over my eight year old's face. Yeah. I wasn't really looking too carefully, but one thing I thought was interesting was when he mentioned, when he was saying, oh, you know, she's basically a prostitute, she's a prostitute, right? Which kind of implies we're not a, you know, prostitute daddy relationship. Yeah. Which we would have been presuming was someone like that in the beginning.

[00:39:15] And he's basically saying, oh, I mean, you know, he's saying we're better than them. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I do love the interaction when they're at the table and Greg and Chloe start arguing a little. And the two of them look at each other, like, how about these guys? And it's, I feel like that's happening a lot in this episode. In this show is two people almost are bonding over like the negative things that are happening to other people. And I feel like that's a pretty normal thing.

[00:39:45] Like if you're, whenever I hear a couple fight somewhere, I'll pause for a second and be like, Ooh, what's this about? And then like, if you're with your spouse, it's always nice to be like, Hey, we're not arguing. Look at these guys, our relationships. Awesome. And yeah. So I feel like they're doing a little bit of that where it seems like they maybe get, they bond a little bit over other people being the, the crazy ones.

[00:40:13] I loved to that. While we're talking about this right at the end of the scene with the meditation with Amrita and Rick, the music, the music, I think it's just straight up music from season one. White Lotus came in. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we bond. Yeah. Give us more of the Lulus. Yeah. I was in my notes. I was calling it gossip music.

[00:40:42] Cause it did feel like every time somebody was having a conversation and they would just be talking, but then when they would be like, and you know what? All of a sudden it would be like, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. You're like, Oh, here we go. we're letting the monkey free. I feel, I think for me, the Rick story right now is the one I'm the most interested in, but they're all very close. Yeah. I mean, there's a,

[00:41:09] there's a obvious mystery with him too. Like he's got a mission that we, we don't know what it is, which is also very intriguing. Mm hmm. That's just fun to see how he's playing it and how these two, they're very yin and yang and how they play off of each other. You know, I like her a lot. Yep. I think she's a great person. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Randy, what's your next one? Uh,

[00:41:38] let's see. Uh, I want to talk about poor guy talk. So in like gathering my notes about him, I started to wonder is guy talk, giving off nice guy energy. And let's, we can assess this. Uh, he basically has been doing things for Luke and he's fixed. Moke. Moke. He's,

[00:42:08] he's fixed her bike for her. He picked her up when she broke down and then he's got this nice lunch for her. And then they sit down and they're talking. And he's trying to express how he feels about her, but it feels like the way he's doing it almost sounds. Transactional. Like here's the list of things that make us a good match, or here's why I'm a good match for you.

[00:42:36] And she's not quite going for it. And he, she mentions like, Oh, we haven't even been on a date yet. And it was starting to give me the feeling of a guy who's like, all right, I bought a Lamborghini. I bought Gucci clothes. A woman should be marrying me at this point. Not as aggressively. Um, cause he does seem like he's very nice, but I am wondering, like all of the signs here seem like they would be a good couple.

[00:43:04] So is there something about this relationship we're missing? Like, has this been his MO with her for a long time? Cause she kind of bats him off a little gently and says like, Oh, we haven't been on a date. So then he's like, all right, fine. Let's go on a date. And she's like, uh, no, like let's not do that. And I feel bad for him. Cause it does seem like he really like bared his heart to her a little bit there,

[00:43:31] but it also seemed like he was making a marriage proposal at the same time, which seemed like overdoing it. So yeah, I'm wondering if he falls into a nice guy category, nice guy in quotes. Yeah. I, I don't know because I do think there's a, a huge cultural component to this. I'm, that's a good point. I'm from Taiwan, which is Thailand far adjacent. So I cannot speak for the Thai culture at all. Um,

[00:44:01] but you know, it's, it's quite, it in a, I don't know whether this culture has a lot of random dating before you get married. Right. I don't even, I don't know their opinions on premarital sex, um, or what they define a good girl or a bad girl is, or, or anything like that. I don't, I mean, I'm pretty sure, you know, if you are serious, you do go up to them and say, Hey, I'm a good person. I'm handy. And I come from good family and your family doesn't hate me or my family.

[00:44:30] Can we go on a date, um, and see where it goes from there. So that might be, that's how I interpreted it. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. But I don't know for certain. Right. And you can tell she didn't respond to that. You can tell she was just like, I'm afraid I come from a, from a generation that requires a little bit more spark or something. Yeah. I think it's, I suspect it's kind of a cross cultural thing.

[00:44:58] Like they're becoming more like Western culture, but there's still elements of traditional where you do sort of lay out your qualifications because here, if you're saying all those things in America, I think for the most part, you're not in a good place. You're probably going to get a no if you're just laying out why someone should date you. Right. But I think, yeah, it is a cultural thing, but I think his pitch was mostly, I know I'm not smart, but we live near each other and I'm handy.

[00:45:27] So it's not that exciting of a pitch. It's everything somebody could want in a person. And, and, uh, and I think, um, you know, I, the way they're playing it, there's chemistry between these two. They're always smiling at each other and enjoying each other. And even she brings up a date. It feels like, Oh, well, that is there a possibility of a date then? Cause yeah, let's do that. Oh no, no, no, don't be ridiculous. So my sense is that she kind of does like him,

[00:45:56] his vibe, but she doesn't like his qualifications that he's listed out. And, and I think she wants also, well, you know, and maybe it is the nice guy, milk toast thing to a little bit that she wants someone more exciting too, because in the first episode, she was talking about those guys who were more bad boy. And it was more about having a more exciting job, but also a vibe thing, I think. And so then, uh, you know, clearly when he gets hit by this robber,

[00:46:25] she comes over and it seems like maybe her perspective has changed. Oh, I was worried about you. And then she mentions he was brave. So I wondered if that little element of danger made her more interested. That's sure what it seemed like, but we don't know for sure, you know? Yep. And if we're to throw the conspiracy side on here, maybe he's noticed that and he's going to go downhill and he's like, I'm going to be the baddest boy. There is wait till I get a gun. Yeah.

[00:46:58] Okay. My turn, right? Yep. All right. Um, okay. Incest or what is my next one last good thing. Okay. Um, I, I do remember in the first episode, I hope I remember this right. When she was talking about those more bad boy types, she seemed, she just said, Oh no, they're, they're fine. You know, she liked how they got to travel. And I do think, you know, people who work, you know,

[00:47:28] service jobs in a, in their hometown, there's that sort of like, what is it like out there? And if you're an adventurous type, which I bet she is for a curious type, you know, she wants to know what's out there. She knows, she probably knows good talk is a good guy. She probably likes it, but you know, you're young and you're like, I got one life. Right. And this is where we're going to see whether she realizes he's good for her or like, she's like, I got to gamble it all on something that takes me away.

[00:47:58] And I, you know, I, that's what I see. They mentioned travel in there, but also they made a point to mention when I say they, I mean, the writers, I guess those guys are arrogant and she's like, Oh, they're nice to me. So I also got that impression that it was a vibe thing as well as whatever else they could bring. Cause they also mentioned money, travel, arrogance, all of those things. All right. So, uh, ancestor, what ancestor, what? So when we cover,

[00:48:27] they were nice to her. Yeah. But maybe she also saw that hint of the bad boy and was attracted to it. We didn't see them talk. So it's all speculation. I talk also pointed, pointed out that she's attractive. She's yeah. And of course they were nice to you. Yeah. She sort of implies like, no, they're nice to everyone. He's like, they're nice to you. Cause you're attractive. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so when we covered episode one,

[00:48:56] I was focused on Lachlan being caught between Piper's spiritualistic asceticism and Saxon's shallow hedonism. And that maybe they were trying to pull him one way or the other. And that's what it was about. And I, I was sort of hand waving away all the weird incest vibes. And that's all anyone talked about online about them during the week. And I thought, Oh, maybe there is some like real abuse going on here that I missed, or at least some foreshadowing of it.

[00:49:24] And then like we see Lachlan staring at Saxon's butt in the first scene. And I'm like, yeah, they're getting at something here, but I still don't know. Like, I don't know if there's already been like incest or sexual abuse. I don't, I still don't think so. I think maybe Lachlan is exploring his sexuality, but also maybe he's just admiring that Saxon is so brazen about nudity. You know, it's hard to tell because he's curious, you know, he asks Piper,

[00:49:54] you know, the Saxon says, you've never had sex. And he called you hot and she's all pissed off. And then he's like, so did you? And, and I don't know. It's still, I still think it might be about him being in the middle and seeing which one will influence him more. And I think Saxon's kind of winning this week. Lachlan's talking to Piper and said, he tried to pray during his meditation. And she asked him if he felt a presence and, and she said she does, but he says, no, he didn't.

[00:50:24] Um, so he's not feeling that side of it. He's not, doesn't seem to be that attracted to her way. He seems more attracted to what Saxon's doing. Maybe I'm not sure. Um, but just while I'm talking about the whole felt of presence, I was like, I don't know what she's talking about for sure, because in Buddhist meditation, I think it's usually more about just feeling at peace, feeling maybe a higher awareness or interconnectedness,

[00:50:53] uh, shifts in consciousness, like getting insights and clarity about things, or even just about good feelings like calmness, centeredness, euphoria, groundedness, things like that. But, but so I looked it up and I read that in certain Buddhist traditions, meditators believe they can sense the presence of enlightened beings, Bodhisattvas, or even past teachers who've guided them. Bodhisattvas are figures in Buddhism who have attained wisdom, but choose to remain in the cycle of rebirth to help others reach enlightenment.

[00:51:23] So maybe it's something like that. Cause she said she did feel like connected to this other presence or whatever. I never really learned much about that before. Well, in the last episode, uh, her mother says, why couldn't she have done her thesis on her own religion? So there is also a possibility that she is still practicing. I would assume like Christianity, but she's very interested in this. So if she is praying, maybe she is still praying to a God,

[00:51:51] but maybe that's going to change as she gets more into Buddhism. I would be surprised if that was true. I think you're right. It could be, but to me, it just seems like the reason she's doing a thesis on booze ism is because she's already super into it. Yeah. Yep. And her mom's clueless to clueless. Oh yeah. She's clueless about everything. Yeah. Yeah. But what do you guys think? Like the whole incest thing or. So I also,

[00:52:17] I was holding off on some of my thoughts about this in the last episode, cause we don't have a ton of evidence. So it feels weird to just like apply some, some labels to them. But I was getting the impression that either there was some sort of incest or maybe Saxon had abused Piper in some way when they were younger. And that's why she's a little more defensive of Lachlan,

[00:52:46] but the way annoyed by him. Yeah. And he's so like free about or comfortable, like calling her hot and he like hugs on her a lot and she doesn't seem to enjoy that. And, um, but in the conversation she has with Lachlan in this episode, she says like, she seems, well, I, I got two readings off of it. The first one was like, Oh, why were you guys talking about that?

[00:53:14] Which could be like her being worried that. Something has been discussed that she doesn't want discussed. Maybe something that happened between her and Saxon, but she doesn't really like push for that. So it almost seems like she's like, why would Saxon be interested in my sexuality in any way, which also then makes it seem like, all right, maybe nothing has happened between them.

[00:53:40] And it's just that they're weird or Lachlan's like discovery. Currently is what we're seeing. And we're just assuming it's with everyone. And like, yeah, that's kind of what I think. Yeah. I'm still on that page where people are presuming or speculating that there's been some kind of sexual abuse and maybe, but I just think they're just these different people butting against each other, different types of people. I don't know. Well,

[00:54:09] one is also maybe like this discovering what he likes sexually. He's just like, well, here's the butt that I can see. So I'm going to glance at it. So like when the trans women came to their table and took their plates and, uh, Victoria is like, Oh, you girls are so beautiful. And Lachlan says to his dad, Oh, are, are those women or? Yep. I think he says lady boys or, yeah, they're lady boys. But he seems excited.

[00:54:39] Yeah. He's raising his eyebrows. Like, yeah. Yep. So that's like, is he, is he just like, Oh, this is something I've never seen before. Or is he like, maybe this is something I'm interested in. Like he's. It's weird because at this, in this day and age, you wouldn't think they would do something like, Oh, this kid discovers is get, he's gay. Like, so what? So it's gotta be more than just that. That's what it feels like. Yeah. Maybe that's us applying more to it, but there's,

[00:55:09] there's with the way the story has been told. There's something weird here still. Yeah. Yeah. You have any other thoughts on any of that? Jenny. Um, I just think the family is so weird right now. I am withholding judgment. Um, there's all the information that I've seen so far. I'm like, I have no idea how to interpret this. And so I'm not going to go anywhere. Um,

[00:55:36] I have to admit that I'm very bad at recognizing trans women as Jason will tell you. Um, cause I was just like, what, wait, who, who's, you know, when they, when, when that scene happened, cause I didn't notice anything. Um, so I just thought that I didn't, I didn't notice until the dialogue said it. Right. Then I went back and watched the second time and I'm like, Oh yeah. Oh really? You can see. Um, so yeah, it's just a,

[00:56:04] I just find the family extremely odd right now and looking forward to see how this develops. I just have no idea where they're going to go, where they're coming from. I mean, it's just, it's like this random sexual stuff, you know? Yeah. Yeah. We're only an episode too. So I'm not like, come on, tell us what's up. It's okay. Not to know. Yeah. Uh, but it, it, I want to know. Yeah. And it also feels like a weird thing to speculate on. Cause it's like, yeah, I don't, I don't want to be like,

[00:56:34] Oh yeah, this is incest. And then it's absolutely not. And everybody's like, remember how into the incest thing Randy was? But maybe that's one reason why I didn't dwell on it at first. Cause I didn't want to say something about it and have it be totally off on this awkward subject. But, um, yeah, if you go on like Reddit or the white Lotus Facebook group, it's just like incest, incest, incest. All right. Uh, I think it's what Jenny's turn, right? Yeah. Okay.

[00:57:04] Um, so I would say the third most interesting, uh, storyline for me right now is the Ratcliffe family. Um, they're just so bizarre. They're just, they're just the most bizarre characters so far written. To me, the mom and Saxon appear to be, you know, ships off the same block. Um,

[00:57:31] they do very socially unacceptable things regularly and don't seem to mind. And they support each other in that, um, and their family is just like, okay. Um, she's always laughing in his douchey comments. Yes. Yeah. When he says he was mad that he didn't get a happy ending in his massage or when he says having sex in Thailand is like eating a box of chocolates. You never know which one's going to have nuts. And then she's like, Oh,

[00:58:01] she finds him hilarious, but she's also on drugs. So she's on drugs and she's weird. I mean, she can't, you know, even make short, polite conversation for like 30 seconds, you know, in a way to, you know, I mean, that's really not that hard. Um, so we already know the mom and Saxon is a weird duo right there. The dad is in his own, you know, uh, tragedy in the making.

[00:58:27] So we really don't know what he's normally like in his family because he, yeah, he's preoccupied. Yeah. He seems very stressed about something rightfully. So possibly. Yes. It looks like it looks like everything's going to collapse for him. Um, so, okay. I guess I don't consider them that interesting, but there's the third biggest storyline so far. We'll see where that goes. I, I do feel like this one, you know,

[00:58:57] the dad's part is a little predictable right now. You know, the mom and Saxon are just kind of like, how weird can we go? You know? And the same thing with the, the, the little brother and the little sister, you're just kind of like, okay. So, you know, obviously work in progress right now. Looking forward to see how this ends up. And her just saying like, oh yeah, we're really normal. And the first episode was great. They're not at all.

[00:59:24] But I think maybe her super thick lenses in her glasses symbolize that she's just blind to everything. And, and she's so drugged up that it creates this veil. So she can't see what's going on. And I think the drug started because she wanted to avoid the truth of things. Maybe like there were indications that things weren't perfect. So she just, instead of facing it, started taking drugs. And when Kate approaches her to say hi, cause they were at this weekend long baby shower together.

[00:59:54] And that was such a great scene. And they really drug it out. Cause I was like squirming the whole time. Like, oh my God, it's so awkward. Yeah. And she's just comes off really rude. And there's all these theories online. Like she was embarrassed about something Kate knows about her or something about Kate. She knows and doesn't like, but I think probably it's just that she's taken so many drugs that it's erect her memory. And she probably doesn't even remember that she went to that party or who it was for.

[01:00:24] I saw another theory stating that maybe she genuinely doesn't remember it because of the drugs that she's been taking and she's got more of an addiction. So this interaction was her sort of masking that by being like, she's the weird one. Like I shouldn't have to remember that. And it's like, no, actually maybe you have a drug problem. And that's, yeah, that's right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Yeah. Um, and, and then at the massage area,

[01:00:54] um, she's like, yeah, sometimes with massages I can get really stressed out. And I'm like, what? That's not, that's what that's for. But she will use any excuse to take a pill. So she's an addict. Like I was saying before, it's about a theme about not wanting to feel something. And, and that's one reason why meditation is great. Cause you let go of all distractions, feel what's actually there. It can be really uncomfortable, but you get accustomed to it. And in time over time,

[01:01:23] the discomfort melts away. And then in my experience, you feel more at ease and centered without needing drugs or any kind of a crunch, but I haven't done that in a long time. I do consider it interesting. Like is she, I mean, like obviously 10 years ago, she was friendly enough that Kate has fond memories of her. Right. That's true. They, they got along. So now she's, she probably forgot who Kate was and God knows I do this all the time, but I'm very good at faking, remembering,

[01:01:53] or at least being super friendly about forgetting it. And she doesn't even try to do that. So is that the drugs ruining her ability to be human afterwards as well? Or are we going to find another layer? Yeah. So that should be interesting. Well, that, that, there was also the layers of that interaction where I feel like Kate wants to be the type of person who is recognized kind of like Jacqueline is. Um, struck a nerve. Yeah. So that,

[01:02:22] but then also Kate had just said in the last episode, um, when you have a lot of money, you're always questioning people's intentions when they come to interact with you. So she goes up to Victoria and clearly wants like to be known, to be recognized. And then after that interaction, Victoria basically says to the kids, when you're rich, you got to be on your guard because people are always like coming to you for something.

[01:02:50] So it's funny that that thought that Kate uses is exactly what might've ruined this interaction for her as well as she came across as somebody who wanted something from a rich person. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's also ironic. I think, unless I'm reading too much into this, that Victoria said that, that you got to be on your guard kids. Cause I think that she's not on her guard. I think there's somebody sitting right next to her. Who's a bad person that she,

[01:03:19] and it is probably the reason why she's medicated herself so much. So she wouldn't see that. I also think maybe this is maybe reading into it too, but she's so like we said into Saxon's douchey behavior, maybe because she's really the blind character who doesn't see things. I think that that's an indication there is something darker with him and she just doesn't see it. Who knows? Yeah. And yeah,

[01:03:49] I guess that's all I had to say about her. And I do think there might even be this subclass issue because I have to admit, you know, there's wealthy, there's super wealthy and there's ultra wealthy or something like that. So, you know, we know Kate is wealthy in Austin, but she's not so wealthy that she's paying for this trip. Right. Right. So we know that Jacqueline's wealthier than her.

[01:04:14] And now we know that Jacqueline's wealthy enough that her husband was pissed off that he only got $10 million for the scam. Yeah. Or Victoria's husband. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Victoria's husband. So the Ratcliffe's are at the wealth level in which $10 million is like nothing. Right. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure that's well above the Austin, you know, wealthy family level.

[01:04:38] So, you know, I hate to be like this, but I am seeing levels just like I do think Rich and Chelsea are probably a little less than Gary slash Greg and Chloe. So it's a sad thing to notice. But yes. Yeah. I mean, I think that was definitely in White Lotus season one to where Tanya seemed ultra wealthy compared to most everyone else. Yeah. Yep. For sure.

[01:05:09] I mean, I lost 10 million the other day, but that was because I was like, what would it feel like in a duffel bag? And then I think I left it somewhere. So. Okay. Yeah. All right. I think it's Randy's turn. Yeah. I guess we should go into what's going on with the dad. He keeps getting phone calls and I do, I find it funny that at every single meal he has managed to get a phone call.

[01:05:37] It hasn't been at any other point. So it makes Piper really angry. Yeah. And then also Pam, who is their, their, what would it, like she's assigned to the family. The one who is like setting up stuff for them, they're having this battle as well, where she sees him on the phone and she's like, are you sure you don't want to disconnect from that? And I like that she's being so like friendly and like, you clearly came here for this. And he's like,

[01:06:06] my family's about to be like dragged through the mud. I might go to jail. Like, no, just putting my phone down won't help right now. And when he said, you know, she said something like, wouldn't you be more at ease if you didn't have that? And he said, I'd be more at ease if you would stop asking me that. Oh, I thought, you know, I kind of don't blame him for saying that because he's already made it clear. Yeah. So that says what kind of person I am and how I act. Yeah.

[01:06:36] That's so this also leads, like, I think Pam could shoot this guy. When it comes to like, anybody might be the killer. But yeah, so he's clearly gotten mixed up with something. Money laundering. Um, in, do you say Dubai? No, Brunei. Brunei. Yes. And I think that maybe this guy, Kenny got a position, political position or some kind of position of power there.

[01:07:06] And then, um, uh, Timothy Ratliff was the U S guy and they would launder money together or something. Interesting. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I was kind of curious. Kenny's office ratted him out. Okay. Um, yeah, that's what I got from it. Yeah. I couldn't quite figure out what the, uh, quid pro quo was here. Um, but also in the line of like, somebody might murder anybody. He's like, if I find you,

[01:07:35] I will kill you. But that guy, Kenny's like, I'm going to kill myself. Um, and slight tangent here. I haven't looked into it. Did his voice sound familiar to you guys? I know who it is. You do. I have a, I think I know who it is. I don't know if we're supposed to know that. So do you think it is? Uh, he was short round in Indiana Jones. And yeah, I just saw him. Yes. Yeah.

[01:08:03] I just saw him in a love hurts. He was incredible. And then he was in everything everywhere all at once. Yep. And then listening to the voice, I was like, why does this voice sound so familiar? So yes, I'm glad we have that solved. That's awesome. Yeah. Cool. But the father is having a very loud conversation and he's yelling, like, am I going to be implicated in this? And we pan over and see that guy talk is overhearing some of this.

[01:08:33] So now he has a hint. My question is, will I be implicated? Could you be a little more subtle? If you're going to yell it? So I'm wondering if guy talks going to get a little bit mixed into the, that, um, interaction as well. Right. Uh, yeah. What do I have to say about all this? I was wondering,

[01:09:00] cause he's always complaining about the time difference because he can never get ahold of anyone. So I looked it up and it's 12 or 11 or 12 hours, depending on the time of year. So it's the exact opposite. I do like this. He says like, well, this is why nobody lives out here. It's like what people live there. And I just love that conversation with Kenny. You know, you better not, you better not fuck me on this or I'll kill you. And wait, or what he said, am I implicated in this? And he goes,

[01:09:31] yes. So you're saying definitely. Uh, but then at the end, um, Timothy, so I guess they get lawyers and everything. And then at the very end of the episode, he sees his family off in the distance coming back to their room and they're talking about tsunamis. Yes. And I'm like, yeah, he's afraid one is coming. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I had like a little bit of subtle foreshadowing.

[01:10:00] There Lachlan being like, and then the tsunami came and took out the whole family. The kid was the one watching. Subtle. Yep. All right. My turn. Yes. Okay. I just briefly about Belinda and porn tie who I thought were just adorable. And when he said they're laid out their day that he would give her his signature treatment, the warrior massage,

[01:10:27] and then she'll give him her signature treatment. And then they'll discuss. And just even when he was saying that, I'm like, that sounds sexy. Like trading spa treatments with one another. And she's like, yeah, let's let our hands do the talking. And then, um, then I was really good to see her get to enjoy something because she's always the one helping other people and giving the treatments. And when he cracked her neck, that really made me squirm. Like, Oh, but, uh, she loved it.

[01:10:57] And then when it's her turn and he walks out wearing just some tight underwear and says, so how would you like me on my back or my stomach? And she goes, on my stomach. No, not my stomach, your stomach. I just thought it was really cute and fun. And I don't know, I'm sure this will take some twists that we didn't anticipate, but for now I'm just like appreciating that it's sweet. Yeah. I'd be fine with them just having this whole season. Like every time they cut to her, it's just her having the time of her life. Like this is,

[01:11:26] this is also a work trip for her. And like, yeah, she's like, okay, better head to work where somebody is going to give me a massage. It's like, this is an amazing work trip. It is. And it's like, not at all like the story she had in season one with Tanya. Although I was wondering if they were going to, if they were going to start leaning that way. Cause they did the whole montage of everybody getting treatments or was that it? Yeah.

[01:11:54] And then the music suddenly stops and the alarm is going off and it cuts to Belinda. And she's like, where the hell am I? And then she wakes up and her day starts. And I was like, Oh no, like all the relaxing, happy music has cut. And we've got to Belinda. But wait, are you sure? I thought her waking up was the same in the same montage as everybody else waking up. Maybe it was during the waking up. Yeah. Yeah. But everybody else has like a nice gentle music over that. She's sort of like, yeah,

[01:12:20] the music suddenly stops and her alarm is going off and it's like back to reality. But then the rest of her reality that day is just like so nice. Okay. Let me just do my last couple here. Um, this one's called Sritala narcissistic because, uh, Fabian, the manager guy says she encourages them all to make healthy choices. And I'm just sort of stuck on this.

[01:12:48] Is she a wellness guru charlatan and, or some kind of cult figure to them? Um, he says the staff are also performers and it makes me feel like she's sort of grooming them in her image grooming. I don't mean that in the same kind of connotation that is taken on, but just sort of encouraging them to follow her ways. You know, that feels a little bit cult like, um,

[01:13:17] she gives Jacqueline her book called glowing and it has her picture on the front and younger, her on the back all dolled up in both. And it's all written in tie. And what I took from that is the point wasn't about, it was more about image than substance. You know, she was just showing off. So maybe that's simply what she's about is just more image than substance. Um, although I got to say, I love the song that she said. I thought it was beautiful. Yes, that was.

[01:13:46] So I was expecting her to just be a sort of like mediocre, but she was actually really good. So I was like, okay, maybe there's, there's something behind all of the bravado. Like she is a really good performer. So. Well, I think a lot of narcissists are very alluring. Yeah. So if, if she is that, you know, they're genuinely attractive. Yeah. And yeah. What's his name is constantly just like talking her up.

[01:14:14] And it feels like he's like, uh, in this connotation, like a little henchman who's right there was like, yeah, if I make her sound great, she'll throw me some scraps. So, uh, I noticed during the performance scene, he was singing along. So it did make me wonder whether he wrote that or something like that. Um, but yeah, it's, I mean, I don't think you'd become an owner of a four star resort by being a shark, too much of a charlatan when it comes to your singing. So, um,

[01:14:45] she's, she's, she's a real diva, you know, she's, she, she was a star and she's managed to parlay that into a nice real estate career later on. And she wants to keep performing. So you're saying there's nothing to anything I just said, basically. That she has a cult? No. Yeah. That she's, cause I think her husband and her own the place. Right. But she's very much into continuing to perform,

[01:15:14] which is totally. Yeah. Nothing weird about that, but also this whole health thing. And she has her books and everything with her image on it. And so then it's where it starts to feel. And she's encouraging all of them to, um, do her practices. But if that's the theme of your hotel, I mean, I've been to a yoga retreat and it's all wellness, right? I mean, sure, sure, sure. If you don't, that's why I'm not sure about any of this. It's just early stage speculation,

[01:15:43] but maybe, but it's also not like a fitness guru or like somebody who's meditated their whole life is the one giving that product. Her talent is clearly performing. So how she's an expert on wellness is questionable. So it does seem like maybe she's created this, like. No, that is true. I totally agree with you because I do think 80% of wellness gurus are all just Charlotte actors. And she like,

[01:16:11] we'll see her goal might be that she just really enjoys performing and she's creating this like world where like everybody wants to now see her perform. And it's like holding her up to be able to continue to do this one thing. And in order to do that, she has to create this like mindset that gets everybody there and like open to it. So yeah, I can see some cult in there. And I just, I mean, even if it's not as nefarious as charlatan,

[01:16:41] wellness guru and cult leader, I think what's clear to me is it's about image and maybe some narcissism in there and how that contrasts with what Buddhism and wellness and spirituality are supposed to be at their core. You know? Oh yeah. No, I mean, that's what I loved about this episode. It was called special treatments. And I didn't even know that was the name of the title. I was just like, what is this episode? It's like the treatment episode. All they do is get treatments one by one. And, and I've been to these places,

[01:17:10] so I know they cost 250, 300, you know, they cost a lot. And it's just like, this is so transactional. You pay, get your treatment, you pay, get treatment. And when I saw this episode, I was just like, you know, you know, 350, 400, 100. That's what I was thinking, which is kind of sad, but that's how I, that's what I think of wellness places. To be honest, you either do your wellness nice and in your garage for free,

[01:17:37] or you go to these places and they cost a huge bucket load of money. They can be pretty great though. Oh yeah. Um, so, and then just last thing on her, like Timothy, uh, Ratliff says actresses are prostitutes. And Rick says, Chloe is a hooker. And I think that there's a theme too, of, um,

[01:18:05] shallow relationships or shallow transactions versus deeper, more authentic relationships. And, and I'm just mentioning that here because the whole thing, about her giving her that book with her image on it, but she can't even read it. It just feels like it fits in there. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't care if she's actually getting anything out of it. It's just, yeah. I mean, look what I did. Yeah. all of her interactions so far haven't really, I don't, now I'm not confident,

[01:18:34] but I feel like she hasn't been like, how's your stay? Are you feeling like refreshed? It always sort of feels like it's like, how did you like my performance? Like, yeah. Oh, I'm going to Bangkok to be with my husband who's super rich. Like, yeah. So it doesn't seem like she's, she's as dedicated to it as you would hope somebody who's running that type of thing is. But I mean, dude, if I was really there,

[01:19:02] I wouldn't be sitting there trying to think what is wrong with this woman. It's because she's in the white Lotus that I'm going to. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Last point is called this and that, which just is that there's more of a focus on crime this season. I think than before, I mean, Timothy was into money laundering and you wonder if he's done other crimes because he was upset that he only made 10 million off of this. And we know he's the type of guy who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Yeah. Doesn't want to do things the way anyone else wants. Um,

[01:19:32] then, so his crime, then we have, uh, Rick and quote, Gary saying, which is, we know is Greg saying they do this and that this and that means I do things that, that are sketchy and I don't want anyone to know about. And, and we still don't know what Rick does, but it doesn't seem good. But, um, when Gary didn't say, or Greg didn't say BLM when they asked him what his job was, my first thought was, oh yeah,

[01:20:00] he doesn't say that because he doesn't want anyone connecting to his true identity. But then I'm like, no, he probably never worked at the BLM. He just tells bullshit stories everywhere he goes. Yeah. I think I went through that as well. And I'm like, oh no, come on. Uh, and Belinda sees him and seems wary of him. So I can't wait to see where that goes. Oh, just seeing her, like the, the gears starting to turn and you're like, come on, Belinda, put it together,

[01:20:30] put it together. It doesn't quite get there yet. And you're like, oh yeah, she'll recognize him. And I'm very curious with, uh, what that's going to be. Because I can't remember. Did she, she knew he was with Tanya, but anything else? She knew he had a different name. Yeah. Like she basically knew this is the guy Tanya sort of blew her off for. So she might have a little bit of a grudge there, but she doesn't know.

[01:20:59] Like she probably didn't follow Tanya in the news or anything. Like, so she won't have any reason to be like, he's, what are you doing here? Bad person. But just the fact that he has a different name. And if she knows that Tanya died, then even if she doesn't know Tanya dies, one of the first questions she'd probably ask is house Tanya. Yeah. Right. Which might blow some of this cover current, or she might just be like, oh God, he's not here. Yeah. My day's going good. Please don't be here.

[01:21:30] I, I don't remember. And maybe we have to go back, uh, whether in season one, did she have much interaction with him or like see Tanya at dinner with him? Or do we see them interact? I don't remember. I think she's like, at least very aware of him. Cause Tanya keeps talking about him to her. But does she know, you know, who is a person? I presume she's seen him just by her reaction to him. Yeah. Yeah. This episode, you know? Yep. All right.

[01:21:59] Let's get on to notes. Jenny. I will say the soundtrack is wrong. Uh, the, the beginning song is growing on me, but it's still not that as, as great as the first two, but it's, it's growing on me. And, and I, you did mention that you felt that the instruments used weren't very Southeast Asian. And that is true. I was totally waiting for some gongs, you know, none of those came or chimes or something cool and tang. I don't even know if that's Thai.

[01:22:29] I think that's, that's like Balinese, but you know, something like that. Um, so, so we'll see, but it's good. It's growing on me. The soundtrack is awesome as usual. I need to find out what all these songs are so I can play them all. Cause they, they sound so much like driving to work music. Like they will get you going. Do you mean the score or other music? Just the score. Yeah. I mean, they always put out a seasonal like album. Yeah. So you can get that on Apple music. But I mean, I, I like you, I, I like the music.

[01:22:59] I, um, feel like I have to get over being disappointed and not having my expectations met and appreciate what's actually there, which seems like a very Buddhist thing to do. I've been adding my own lose. Now, when it starts, I go. All right. I'm going to have to put that out. I bet it'll be. Okay. Even more popular than the main. Give the people the lose they want. Uh, I noticed that the hotel is similar to season two in which it magically seems to encompass

[01:23:29] the beach all the way up to the very top of a mountain. Um, but Hey, who cares? It's still. Yeah. We were like, wait, why are they were in the jungle and now they're on the beach. Yeah. but you know, this is the white Lotus. That's how amazing this hotel chain is. Apparently. Um, I liked the scene when Piper is doing yoga and the guy starts smiling at her and she has to smile back awkwardly. Cause we all know that situation. And that was an LBH, right? Yes. Yes,

[01:23:58] he was a loser back home. Oh, he was balding, but it looked like it was shaved. So it's kind of hard to tell. He was glaring at her. It was just every pose. He's like twisting his head around to look at her. And she gave that one smile and was clearly like, I'm, I'm done with this buddy. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's that classic, um, you try to be friendly, but you don't want to be too friendly. And, and it's,

[01:24:24] and then it almost feels like you have to do that with every single male in the entire universe, one by one for the rest of your life. And then, you know, you start getting bitchy near the end. Yes. We admit it. Yeah. When you, when you put it that way and I'm glad you did, because I've already thought about that, but more people need to hear what you just said. Cause then it's sort of understandable. Like, but I feel like, you know, it happens so often. We need to find a solution. Is there like a, a sort of like coded saying we can say that says like, hi, I'm friendly.

[01:24:54] You seem friendly, but okay. The end. And then in parentheses, it says, but if you're really, um, attractive, then maybe. Yeah. But you must interpret the smile, right? See, it only went up 10 degrees. That is not an interested smile. Now, if it was 45 degrees with teeth and actual, I smile as well, then you might have a chance.

[01:25:23] My skin flushed a little bit. Anything else? I mean, Randy, what do you got? Uh, I like that. Um, uh, Victoria says the line, I slept like a corpse. I feel like they keep throwing in like lines where people talk about death or being dead. Um, and then I feel like this one might've been a little bit of a stretch, but it kind of felt like, um, Piper Lachlan and Saxon,

[01:25:53] when they all went to their own little treatments, Saxon had his eyes covered. Lachlan had his ears blocked and Piper couldn't speak. I can't tell if they're continuing the line of the hear, no evil speak, no evil, see, no evil, but they weren't in the same order as they had been previously. But I wonder if they'll, they'll continue doing that a little bit. Um, and I think the monkeys, maybe you'll see three monkeys doing that. Yeah.

[01:26:24] I think that's all I have for notes. All right. I got a few. Chloe said that Saxon was cute. Foreshadowing. Maybe, maybe, maybe, um, they seem well suited for each other, to be honest. I know. Yeah. And so this guy, Saxon, by the way, um, there's a, there's people online saying he's, uh,

[01:26:53] he's a predator and an abuser. And I think he might be, but I would say the jury's out personally. I'd say he's obnoxious and shallow and he's a horny guy looking to get laid. And, uh, you know, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being horny or want to have sex. That's, but it's what you do with that. And I think so far he hasn't, he hasn't been that bad.

[01:27:20] He's just trying to chat women up and doing it awkwardly. Right. Um, I would say he's worse with his sister, but yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I still feel like the jury's out on him. I wouldn't go so far as a lot of people have as condemning his character. I think he's a caricature right now, to be honest. I mean, he almost seems a little too, too, like whatever, too misogynistic weirdo kind of thing. I mean,

[01:27:47] like you hear about that and you see elements of that and that's why you complain about it. But to have it all in one character with absolutely no redeeming feature. I mean, like, come on, let's see where this goes. He's a little charming. Yeah. He's got a nice body. Smile. Nice smile. So did, um, what was that movie? American psycho. He had a nice body too. He was a lot attractive at the end. Let me tell you. I mean, I, I, when the women on the show say, uh, Oh God, he's so,

[01:28:17] he's such a douche. I'm like, yeah, I totally get that. And then the other one says, oh, he's cute. And I'm like, yeah, I get that too. You know, he seems like he's kind of a loser. Really? Like he talks a big talk, but he has shown no, no game in any category work ethic or like, yeah, he keeps talking about working out. We haven't seen him work out yet. And I can only speak for myself, but okay.

[01:28:44] So he has a well-developed body, but it's how you move it too. Right. And he moves it in a very kind of loser, creepy way. Like I am not at all attracted to him at all. I can't even say he's hot. He's the kind of the minute that he opened his mouth and the way he moves and talks, you're just like, Oh, so I don't know. Maybe, you know, people still consider him hot and would still do him as long as he, you know, was gagged.

[01:29:12] But I don't think anyone considers him that. And I think it's on purpose that his movements are like that. I think he's supposed to be not attractive. That's why. But, I think, um, what's his name? Uh, Patrick Schwarzenegger is doing a great job. I think he's really good in this role. Yeah. Okay. I haven't seen him in another role, so I'd like to compare. Cause he's like, exactly the same. Don't give him quite as much credit. Uh,

[01:29:41] Rick hears Sritala say she's going to Bangkok to see her husband who just got out of the hospital after a stroke. And, uh, I think, and it tells his girlfriend he's going to Bangkok too. My only reaction to that is cool. We get to see some scenes in Bangkok. Hopefully that'll be neat. Yeah. I wonder if we actually will. Or I, I suspect so because in season one, it was during COVID. So they stayed at the hotel the whole time. Right. But season two in Italy, they got,

[01:30:09] went to different locations and I think they probably have, you know, HBO money. So I think to bring this up and not go there, I'd be shocked. I do like the way, uh, Rick tells her he's going to Bangkok where he's like, I'm glad you made a friend. I may need to go to Bangkok for a night or two. Yeah. They showed a little caring. Uh, Chelsea tells her spa therapist that she's an Enneagram nine easygoing peacemaker,

[01:30:38] which seems right. If you don't know that Enneagram is a personality typing thing, and there are nine types. And I think Jenny is a seven. Would you like to hear a description? Sure. Cause I've no idea what the hell you're talking about. Okay. Enneagram type seven. And the enthusiast is energetic, curious, and always seeking new experiences. They're optimistic, fun, loving, and great at generating ideas, but can also be impulsive, scattered and struggle with follow through.

[01:31:07] Their biggest fear is being trapped in boredom, leading to them to always seek variety and stimulation at their best. Sevens are joyful, resilient, and deeply engaged in life. When unhealthy, they become restless, overindulgent, and emotionally disconnected. Finding balance helps them embrace both excitement and depth, leading to true fulfillment. Interesting. And, and I, I can't figure out what I am.

[01:31:35] I I've taken quizzes online and I always get different numbers. Um, so anyone who's an expert and you've heard me on podcasts, let me know what type you think I am. All right. I have homework called Enneagram. Enneagram. Okay. It's E N N E A G R A M. And you just have to search and you can find like free quizzes. Or maybe you could take it, Randy, and come back and let us know. Yes. Cool.

[01:33:05] All right. We're back. It's time for news. Uh, about a week before season three of the white Lotus premiered, there was this article on deadline with HBO executive vice president, Francesca or C talking a little bit about what's in store for upcoming seasons of HBO shows. And she said that season three of the white Lotus is her favorite of the three so far. I mean, she's selling it. So of course she's going to say this, but I still thought it was interesting what she was saying. She said, I don't know how Mike could ever top what he's achieved here. It's an incredible season of television, a piece of cinema.

[01:33:35] He's outdone himself exponentially. I'm really blown away by what he's accomplished with this. Each season always has something to say, but there's a profound quality about this season that feels unlike anything else. He's explored the magnitude of how Mike challenges our sheer and primal existence. Our walk on the planet is explored. There's a deeper interrogation that you have with yourself in terms of your need for materialism, consumeristic culture, and the essence of being. So get ready. Okay.

[01:34:06] So we're ready. We're in it. And also the article mentioned that white Lotus was renewed for season four last month, which I didn't realize talking about where it could be set. Or she said, we're going on some location scouting in the next couple of weeks. So we'll know soon. I can't really say where we're going to land, but chances are somewhere in Europe. So they've already been to Europe, but they may go back. They, they, in the article,

[01:34:33] they asked a former survivor and the amazing race can, Mike White has spoken about potentially taking a page out of reality competitions rule book and do an all-star season of the white Lotus featuring the return of standout characters from various installments. Could that be season four? She said, I don't think that'll be season four, but that's still on the horizon. It's still in discussion, but it's too early. And when I hear that, I'm like, well, they killed Armand. Damn it. They could do like a,

[01:35:03] I feel like web series aren't great, but it just imagine like all the best characters trapped in a airport for a little bit. And then they're just interacting. So we don't even need a full season, just a few interactions. Just a little bit. And somebody dies. Um, but she said it could go beyond four seasons and she doesn't know, but they've definitely committed to four. And I suspect four might be an Illuminati slash elites type thing,

[01:35:32] because Mike White had said originally a season two was going to be in a political setting, like a Bilderberg conference where like political leaders and captains of industry together. Or what's that other one? The one in Davos. Davos. Yeah. Yeah. And something like that, but we'll see. Um, they, that article also mentioned the last of us will probably go four seasons and season two premieres April 13th. I'm just mentioning that because it's on podcast too.

[01:36:01] We'll be covering that on the cast of us. And she mentioned a night of the seven kingdoms, which is upcoming George RR Martin, Duncan egg novella adaptation, which we'll be covering on dragon cast where we covered house of the dragon. So you're interested in those other shows. Check out podcast. Dot com. Um, Sam Nivola,

[01:36:25] who plays Lachlan told people that Mike White told the Ratliff family actors to go watch Southern charm, which is a reality show about socialites in Charleston, South Carolina. And he said that Jason Isaacs, the, the father, uh, Timothy in particular modeled his whole accent and character off of the cast. Yeah. And I believe that show ended up with people in jail too. Right. Did it? I don't know anything about it. It's still on. I think. Oh man.

[01:36:55] Okay. So art will imitate life. Um, Hollywood reporter talked with Patrick Schwarzenegger. They said, do you think the decision to flaunt his nakedness to his brother was at all a power move? He says, I don't think it's calculated. He's just trying to prove to his brother that this is how he should live life. Mike and I worked on the physicality of the character. And this guy needs leads with his private parts. Like that's how he walks. He thinks he's good looking and has a great body.

[01:37:24] And then all the girls are looking at him. He has no regard for the other people in the room. Accurate. They said to play a character like this with this much ego and who's going to be a bit objectified. Did you have to psych yourself up to take that on? He said, it's funny when I got the audition, they just gave me a couple of pages and I didn't know anything else about the story. So one of the sides was when Saxon is saying she has issues because she's pretty fucking hot. I sent a message to the casting director asking who he was talking about. And they told me it was his sister.

[01:37:54] I was like, wait, what? Like, okay, that's what we're dealing with. But signing up for the show requires a level of trust in Mike. After watching the other seasons, you know how capable he is and that you're just going along for the ride. I don't think about, is this awkward from Patrick's point of view? Because the answer to that doesn't matter. You're in the character. I'm glad he also finds it weird. Yeah. But I like that the way he put that instead of saying, I don't find it weird,

[01:38:23] which is what a lot of actors would say because they just don't want to contradict their character. He just, I don't think about it from my point of view. Here's one that he told USA Today, quote, Saxons, despicable, outrageous, lacks a filter, all these things. But at the same time, I wanted viewers to think he's funny and spoke some truths so that you kind of rooted for him in a weird way. So it seems like that failed. It was Jenny.

[01:38:55] There's a little bit of an underdog to him at this point where he struck out so many times. I'm like, all right, if he like gets one woman to talk to him, fine, I'll be happy for him. Six more episodes. We'll see how he develops. He obviously has a French Canadian lady who's interested. But I mean, dude, you get an erection three seconds into a massage. Yes. So much clearly was not enjoying that. Yeah.

[01:39:23] It's like a douchebag. Okay. That's that. Yeah. I think that's pretty bad. I mean, it's hard to control, but yeah, I was wondering about that. I mean, I would think that as long as you apologize. Yeah, but he wasn't apologizing. He was hoping for a happy ending. Yeah. Yeah. His intentions going in were incorrect. Everything was going to plan at that point. So, you know, part of me wonders like, first I'm like,

[01:39:53] are they just that clueless? Cause they're that, I mean, like, are they so separated from the rest of the world that they don't realize you don't get happy endings from masseuses at four or five star hotels? Or am I missing out? I'm not aware of just go a mile down the road. Um, last thing, Walton Goggins talked with Indie wire about Rick, his character, Rick. He says,

[01:40:21] I've been around a long time and I've been given some great opportunities in my life, but this person is as close to me on a number of levels. I understood his pain from the first time he began speaking on the page for me, someone who is loquacious to be given an opportunity to simmer in this resentment and to be consumed by this negativity. The way in which he expresses his pain when he's given the opportunity to do it is something that resonated very deeply with me. And I hope it will with the audience. Okay.

[01:40:50] I think I saw some pictures too of him with other cast members look like they were really bonding. I feel like this cast really bonded. I actually didn't include it, but there was an article about the, uh, the, uh, Ratliff kids. They're like best pals. Now the brother and two brothers and sister does seem like you are sort of on vacation with all of these cast members when you're out filming this. So you'd hope they'd have a little fun together. I mean, they're staying at a resort in Thailand. Right. Yeah.

[01:41:19] But somebody always dies at those resorts. But I think Mike white is probably casting so he can have a close, you know, he's, I mean, he's, we can just sit here and compliment him forever, but I mean, it does seem like he does amazing casting. I mean, all the other seasons, apparently they're all very close now too. So he, he wants to get a, a crew that works very well together and he succeeded. Yeah. Good job.

[01:41:49] All right. It's time for some guest feedback here. Okay. Okay. Okay. How can we help you? Jenny, do you like to go first? Sure. So Jennifer McGinley says, watched episode one last night, but I fell asleep halfway. I thought that was poor Belinda in your still for episode one. Great to see her. And I think I saw Greg just as I drifted off.

[01:42:17] I was thinking the theme tune wasn't up too much, but as it went on and the beat got more sinister, I thought, yeah. Okay. I like it. Good. Yeah. I hope you're digging this Jennifer. Yeah. And Greg wasn't in the show. So I think, I think you jumped that. Jordy language rights. This whole episode had me feeling uncomfortable as most of the interactions were so awkward, but I'm totally here for it.

[01:42:45] Victoria takes my vote for worst character this week. She's truly awful. Everything out of her mouth just makes me cringe. Parker Posey is doing a great job. Yeah. Yeah. What do you, I mean, I feel the same way. Like I feel pretty harsh towards her. And I wonder if I'm being too harsh. Oh, I mean, no, she's an insane character right now. She and her son, you're just kind of like, are these real human beings yet? But we'll see because we'll see.

[01:43:14] I think the fact that they aren't interacting too much with non like rich, similar people is still making it okay. Where you're like, yeah, fine. They just like do this to each other. I think if she starts getting like weird or rude with like the staff, then I might start being like, yeah, but at this point it's, she is just a crazy character on the screen. Once again, Chelsea had my favorite line when she said Saxon was from a family of wankers.

[01:43:44] Hilariously spot on. I'm loving her character. She's completely honest. What you see is what you get. When they were having their double dinner date, I could not stop laughing at the two old guys that obviously did not want to be there. Just the looks on their faces said it all. I see the three best friends are now taking turns with their backstabbing of each other and all seem toxic to me. Do we think the resort owner's husband is the one who murdered Rick's dad? I was wondering that. Oh yeah. Yeah.

[01:44:15] Just one last thing. Only on the white Lotus is this and that a decent line of work. I mean, that's good. I didn't think about that. Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, I watch enough like melodrama to be like, Oh, he could be the person who murdered Rick's dad. He could be Rick's dad. Who murdered, who Rick thought was his dad. You know, you could, you could go on and on and on with that. Yeah.

[01:44:44] But white Lotus, I think is a, it has elements of high drama and of like human drama, you know, or more grounded stuff. Yeah. And to be honest, I actually think Mike will think of something even more astounding than what I can think of right away. Cause I watched the cheesy TV. Hopefully. Amelie Rochette says, I really enjoyed the second episode. This show has its own way of hooking us, of investing us in the characters journeys, whether they're likable or not,

[01:45:14] or in a gray area, probably the case for most of them. I mean, those are my favorite kind of characters, but yeah, two main themes emerge this season slash episode quote, the identity we cling to causes us pain and quote, the bigger, the front, the bigger, the back and paraphrasing here. No, that's exactly what she said. On the one hand, the rat lifts whose mother, father and older brother are largely defined by the family's wealth and power, but this is seemingly about to escape them. How will they deal with the situation? Hard to say as the show continues to surprise.

[01:45:44] That's very good. Yeah. I didn't think about that. The bigger, the front, the bigger, the back with their whole family. On the other hand, Lachlan and Piper are more fluid about the identities they cling to. Piper stands out from the others on her quest for spirituality while Lachlan appears to be searching for his own. Certainly nothing is what it seems. And just about everyone has either secrets or a hidden agenda. I must say it's a delight to watch the interactions of this dysfunctional family. Am I the only one who perceives more roses, evil twin vibes in Victoria?

[01:46:12] I don't know who that is from Schitt's Creek. Oh, I haven't watched that. Everyone tells me. Yeah. Okay, cool. And Timothy, will he end up as an old bald man and stay in Thailand to avoid facing the music? I was thinking that too. Cause I was like, should he just get home as soon as possible or no, probably better just to never go home. Right. Uh, she goes on. Then there are the girls who present themselves as a trio of old friends when they don't really like each other. If at all, why do they do this?

[01:46:42] So as not to feel alone, to feel quote normal. And Rick Hatchet calls himself empty, but he's inhabited, motivated by revenge. Historian is behavior pointed in all likelihood in this direction. One might even think that the hotel conceals an entirely different reality. What has the owner's husband done? Valentin is full of it and could be colluding with thieves. Finally, the table is deliciously set for the shit to hit the fan. And I can't wait for it. Sorry for the long post.

[01:47:11] Feel free to skip some parts if you want to. Well, it's too late now. And thanks for the podcast. No, that was brilliant. I really enjoyed reading that. Very well said. I just Googled and, uh, and it says that Thailand has extradition treaties to both us and Italy. Oh, yep. Dina says, hello. It's only episode two, but right now Rick and Chelsea intrigued me the most.

[01:47:39] Chelsea seemed vapid in the first episode, but now I think she might be one of the most grounded of the guests. And Rick's story to me is the most compelling. Rick goes to the, his treatment reluctantly because Chelsea tells them that it's already purchased. I think she knows he wants help, but will not seek it on his own. And by telling him that the service is prepaid, she is giving him a gift and excuse to, to find whatever he is looking for. Rick is a seeker, a lost soul.

[01:48:07] He desperately wants to find solace and to believe in something, but he's afraid that there is nothing to find. When he says nothing comes from nothing, I think he is hoping Amrita will refute him as she did when she argued that having no identity is an identity. Amrita knows as Chelsea knows that something can always come from nothing, but senses that she should keep quiet. If she argues back, he might not return. She remains quiet and looks bemused. He leaves,

[01:48:35] but the session stays on his mind and seems to have a gently effect on his personality. We didn't see really, because we didn't see him like leave halfway, right? We just, it just cut out of the session, but we didn't get to see him really finish. It's a quality, maybe stay. But yeah, but it didn't seem like he was that happy with it, or at least he was protesting too much. You know, he got another session. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's like 200.

[01:49:03] They all approached their special treatments as themselves and no one emerged unchanged. The girlfriend's treatments were just as fake as they seem to be. Piper went to her yoga and, and only found the same unwanted attention she gets from Saxon. Crazy mother left her massage just as anxious as when she came in and her son remained just as horny. Rick, however, went in as a seeker disguised as a cantankerous asshole and emerged a smidgen less hardened.

[01:49:32] He may be that Rudy heart of gold stereotype. And by the end, he'll emerge with a whole soul intact. Who knows with the show? Any thoughts I have this week will be scattered by whatever twists are in store. I do feel certain that I will continue to despise the word incest siblings and continue to admire Parker Posey's channeling of a pill popping version of Big Edie. She's beyond irritating and it's solid acting.

[01:50:00] Thanks for the fun energy you three bring to the podcast. I'm really enjoying the few episodes I've heard so far. Okay. Who is Big Edie? I don't know who that is, but I'm glad to hear from you, Dina, because Dina writes into our Walking Dead rewatch a lot and she's always got great things to say. And I kind of, I think I got her turned on to this show. So it's cool. I feel like, I don't know enough, obviously, famous,

[01:50:29] weird Southern woman archetypes out there. And perhaps we need some research. There's a, there's a documentary out called Grey Gardens. And it's about her and her mother. I think they're, they're very eccentric rich people. So. Okay. Actually have seen that. And, and I do know. Yes, they are very eccentric. All right. We have one call and it's from Wendy. Hey, Randy, Jason,

[01:50:58] and Jenny. I'm really loving White Lotus so far. We see the three old friends reunited. I was so excited to see Carrie Coon. She was so amazing in the leftovers. I just finished the leftovers for the first time this year. And it was so worth it. So true to life. As soon as the trio breaks up, the other two just start shit talking. The other whoever's left out.

[01:51:28] I've, I've seen that happen quite frequently. I agree with Jenny. The Southern family just seemed cartoonish in their presentation. Parker's accent doesn't seem great. They all seem over the top grotesque and bizarre. Except for the younger two. Uh, Guy Tuck and Mook. He seems so sweet and she isn't even considering him. He's definitely being kept in the friend zone.

[01:51:58] I really like their vibe. They both seem really sweet. Can't wait to see what happens with them. Rick and Chelsea. I was glad we saw some affection between the two of them in this last episode. Because prior to that, I was like, what are they doing together? Like they don't even like each other. But we saw. Rick being a little bit more caring. So,

[01:52:26] you can see it a little. Um, Greg's not using his real name. What does that mean? There's so much that remains unexplained. I'm enjoying the season. But it does seem a little, like these first two episodes have been a little slow. Um, I'm enjoying the three of you reunited for the podcast. Love your perspectives. It's always so fun to listen. And just like Jenny said, when Brian and I first saw Greg,

[01:52:55] we both gasped and yelled. And, um, so it's really great. Uh, can't wait for the next one. Thanks. Thanks, Wendy. Thanks. I'm here. I can't wait till the next one. All right. That is our show. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody. Next up. White Lotus season three, episode three, the meaning of dreams.

[01:53:26] Ooh, dream journaling. If you want to write in or send us a voice message about it, you can find all our contact information at podcast.com. And while you're there, be sure to check out our other shows. Jason, you're on a couple of those, right? I think anyone watching this would love Cobra Kai. You should try that. I love both those shows. Cobra Kai has been going on for seven years now and it's just wrapping up. Well,

[01:53:54] I guess they just put out their final five, but we're, um, we wouldn't, when episodes get all released at once, we still watch them weekly. So I still don't know how it ends, but anyway, there's that. I suspect you might be more interested in something like yellow jackets. We have yellow jackets, WTF podcast, all at podcasting.com. All right. That is our show. Thanks for listening. And remember, it's good to talk things out with a wise Indian. Thank you. We'll see you next week. We'll see you next week. you