41. What is Fromcast - Season 2, Episode 9 "The Ball of Magic Fire."

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Speaker 1: Hi there.

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My name is Hannah Cheromey.

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This is the What is Fromcast podcast on the Podcastica

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Network.

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Welcome to the show.

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My name is Alex.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to move the cough drop so I can say it's

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Lizzy.

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Speaker 1: And we are talking what is from we are talking

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episode 9, season 2, the Ball of Magic Fire.

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And today is Sunday, is from day, and you know it was another

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boring episode, don't you think ?

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Speaker 3: I fell asleep about three times.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we had, if you went to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Oh my God, we sent a lot of people in that Facebook

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page.

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Speaker 1: If you went to sleep on this.

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First off, you don't want to go to sleep.

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Thanks to John, as Harold just posted on his Twitter.

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Thanks, John, for not letting anybody go to sleep.

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And secondly, we have so many questions, so many, hopefully,

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answers, and you know it's just amazing what this show has done.

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But before we get all to that, I just want everybody, if you

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all that other kind of good stuff.

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But let's get to it.

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What were your first thoughts of this crazy episode?

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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I'm getting very anxious because we are coming to the end

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of this second season And I really, really hate that.

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I hate it a lot.

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So I'm getting very anxious and scared, you know, and wondering

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what all these changes mean, because it seems like there's a

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lot of changes that I don't fully understand and not

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necessarily seeing how they, all you know, work together.

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What?

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Speaker 1: about you.

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Well, you know what?

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I keep going back to the three words that we asked all the

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actors And I keep going to what Donna slash Liz said.

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She was like there's hope, but there's not, but there is, And

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it was funny at the time, but I've kept that in the back of my

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mind And I'm like this is not good.

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We have got.

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We have got a lot of problems And I don't even know where to

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start, except for one place, And we talked about this before We

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got.

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We got a big bug problem, don't we?

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Speaker 3: Oh, my God, you know what They must be in Atlanta,

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because I just I hate bugs, i hate it And I'm tired of dealing

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with it.

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I want to go back to Massachusetts or at least have

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the climate there.

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That's here.

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Or here, here, whatever.

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Speaker 1: All I know is the only criticism that I have of

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this whole entire show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one.

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It's too short.

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Speaker 1: And it's going to end .

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Actually, then I have to.

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Those cicadas, those CGI cicadas, were awful.

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Other than that, other than that, other than that, i love

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the whole thing.

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But it was just like.

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Those things were just like oh, they were, they were like

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glowing and whatever, but it doesn't really matter.

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It was neat because in the beginning of the episode we had

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that sound as the backdrop.

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It was the.

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We talk about music.

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That was the soundtrack of this , of this episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I hate that noise in the summer.

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It just it tells you that summer is here, you know.

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But it's so loud and I will never hear it the same way again

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, ever.

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Speaker 1: Oh, i just remember when I was, when I was a kid,

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you know, every 27 years you get to cicadas and all that kind of

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stuff.

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We got them so bad in the northeast And it was so, so bad

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And they you know that they were exactly Lisa saying it It

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looked like they were crawling on the screen And you know, i

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don't know too many people that really like cicadas, because

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they make that awful noise and they're big and they just want

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to.

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Speaker 3: They're just the size , like I've had one fly into me,

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like one flew into me not too long ago Must have been last

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summer just flew right into me.

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It was like being hit with a bird, you know absolutely.

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And big and there's a commercial.

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There's a bug commercial where they've got CGI bugs And it's

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the same thing.

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It's like they're.

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They're crawling on the screen And I loved when the cicadas

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came into Marielle's room and they're coming up over.

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Speaker 1: They were like almost like roaches.

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Speaker 3: They were awful.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to get to that.

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I want to.

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you know we talked about.

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we talked about, you know, that first scene.

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There's some questions that I have that I wanted to ask you

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and I also want to ask the people watching.

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You know it starts and I had to put my Yankee reference Reggie,

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reggie, reggie.

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I know you hate it as a Boston fan, but whatever, yeah.

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So Reggie comes out and did you notice what he was wearing?

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Wasn't that Sarah's sweater?

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It was actually Nathan's sweater.

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Speaker 3: Oh, whatever it was, it didn't fit him.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was the sweater that she wanted to get,

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And and he's running out and he's all bloody And you can set

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the table.

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I mean right from there.

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And he was the most annoying person.

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I'm going to put this out there .

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I hope he dies.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the funny thing is, we didn't even talk

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about him last episode.

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I mean, that's a big deal.

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Some guy comes out of a house screaming and he's covered in

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blood and we didn't even mention it.

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Speaker 1: He's just annoying.

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I'm sorry.

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I know I know the listeners are probably saying, oh, you're

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making too much, he was just annoying, but he decides that.

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You know what I find?

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what I find interesting is when they went upstairs it was like

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the first episode of the series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was similar because there's Paula laying on

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the bed and I'm sorry she was mean.

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So, no, i'm not sorry, she should be sorry because she was

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mean, you know, and with her gone it was like he got louder

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or something, but the cicadas had come in.

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She was just taking a nap and the cicadas had come in and

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basically crawled in her mouth And I think they dug their way

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out.

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Speaker 1: Do you really think that's what?

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Speaker 3: happened?

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That's what I think happened while she was screaming, and I

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think that, because of what we saw with Randall, then what we

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see with Maryelle and Julie, even though we don't see the

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cicadas, they both have their mouths open screaming, and as

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did Randall, and, as Randall screaming, they're crawling into

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his mouth.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to question you on that for one reason.

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If we go back to the melody, it talks about three Now that's a

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thing, right.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what our real count is.

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Speaker 1: But wait, you've got Randall.

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Speaker 3: Paulette is a definite dead.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, i'm saying but you've got Randall, you've

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got Maryelle and you've got Julie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That have gotten that .

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So if you let's just say, put that to the side for one second,

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she is a fourth one.

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Speaker 3: She's either the fourth or the first, we don't

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know.

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Speaker 1: Or is Smiley?

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well now, smiley didn't die that way.

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Speaker 3: No, we can't count him, but let's talk about that

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in a bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, i'm sorry, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's killed in her sleep and she was

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reciting this poem.

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And or Bacca said it was a nursery rhyme.

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I Googled, i didn't see anything, so I think they made

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it up And I'm not 100% on that, but that's what I think.

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And supposedly she was reciting that poem.

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I don't know when she was doing it, since she was screaming her

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head off But I loved how everyone has it memorized after

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hearing it, maybe once.

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But the poem is they touch, they break, they steal.

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Speaker 1: One second.

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I can pump it up right here.

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Speaker 3: No one is free.

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Here they come.

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They come for three, unless you stop the melody.

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So they touch, they break, they steal.

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I'm not sure I'm drawn a blank.

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I didn't think about this too heavily, but they touch, they

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break, they steal.

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I don't know if those are crimes that have been committed

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And maybe a crime that a person has committed.

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All three And that's why they end up in the predicament

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they're in.

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Here is free.

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We know that.

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They're all trapped there.

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They can't leave.

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They're stuck Here they come.

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And the thing that got me is that the Pixies are singing the

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K-Sara-Sara song.

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Now their big American hit was Here Comes Her Man.

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Yeah, i know, it's not the same thing.

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Like it's Here They Come, and the Pixies is Here Comes Her Man

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.

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You know, and one thing that they did in the video because

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they made a music video and more so due to the pressure of MTV

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and having to have a video When the video starts or the entire

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video, this is them through the whole video.

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That's all they do.

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Speaker 1: They just have their mouth open for those of you

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listening.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they just have their mouth open and it's

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like, you know, that's just them singing.

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And when I saw them at the Paradise in Boston I'm trying to

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remember what year it was, but it was in support of the Do

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Little Album, which that song comes from I was like, are they

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going to sing the song or are they going to stand there with

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their mouths open?

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And they were so cool that they never played that song And it

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was like, you know, is it because they were bucking the?

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you know what was expected of them?

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or they were tired of the song, or what the deal was?

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I don't know, but it was a phenomenal concert just the same

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.

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But the reason why I bring up the whole mouth thing is that

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what are these people doing while they're being swarmed?

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Speaker 1: Right, their mouth is open.

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Speaker 3: Their mouths are open , so they come for three, but we

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don't know what that means exactly.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 3: What people are in.

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They come for three.

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Do they take three souls?

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Do they take three lives?

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Do they take three minutes, like what are what's three that

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they take?

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And then the thing that comes back.

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That's familiar, unless you stop the melody, because if you

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remember that's what Martin said to Boyd we've got, you got to

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get me out of here before the song starts.

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Speaker 1: Bad shit's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to get me out of here before that

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music stops, and so that has been the thing.

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And so the cicadas can be heard , or cicadas, i don't know why I

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want to be even, i'm just feeling super Brahmin, boston

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Brahmin.

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But the cicadas are being heard outside.

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Boyd sends Julie and Kenny to everyone in the town to say

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don't fall asleep tonight.

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He doesn't really tell Julie why, kenny kind of knows why.

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But.

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And then Boyd takes Reggie up to Colony House And as we're

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doing that, like it was really cool because we go from Sarah's

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old house up to Colony House and we're following the flying

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cicadas And I loved, i loved that It was almost like the

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monkeys in the Wizard of Oz.

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Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz, yeah, i do.

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I do want to pump this up for you just so you can answer this.

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Lizzie, having connected the, the three that are coming to,

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the three that were chained up, martin and the two other courses

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, is it all connected?

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Speaker 3: It's all connected.

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She's not asking.

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Speaker 1: It's all, it's all connected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, no, she's saying.

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Crominocle is saying that it is .

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I know I made no, it not noise.

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I made some notes about Martin and somewhere in here, but no, i

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mean I don't.

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I don't remember seeing three.

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I definitely remember seeing another body chained up, so I'm

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at two, but the thing about it is two of those were like really

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dead.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Or it's the one we saw was really dead and Martin

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was alive until he died at the end, or you know so.

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Speaker 1: But the way I think it's connected, that could be a

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different three.

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This is another three.

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Does that make sense?

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I understand Martin and the two corpses.

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Yes, okay, that's fine, but my point being is that could have

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been a different time when the three were, when you were

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counting those three.

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So this is a whole new.

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Like, like Victor said, leaves are changing, things are

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changing, so maybe this is a new era in from.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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It could be a new era, it could be.

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it could be that those guys don't count at all.

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Speaker 1: I personally think in my heart of hearts is that

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those that three is different when he, when, when he gave Boyd

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the worms.

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And he was basically saying now it's your burden.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I know you know it's a different time, But

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but my point being is yeah, that was three And now we're

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dealing with the new three.

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My question is and again, how does the, the killing of

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Reggie's Paula, affect the other three that have cicadas?

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And that's the question that I want to, why I want answered.

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But that that said, i mean we're not going to answer it

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Right today, i mean I'm not that good, i can't, I can't have the

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crystal ball just yet.

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But I love after we do all that , everybody split up Julie's

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going up to to tell her people And then all of a sudden we go

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to Randall and Randall has this new plan.

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Speaker 3: And I'm thinking he's leaving Donna out there to be

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the bait Right, and that's the only thing I can think of And I

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really, really didn't like it at all.

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Like I like leave my Donna alone.

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You know, like I don't know if Randall realizes what he's

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messing with, but Donna is like the favorite.

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You know, like I turned my friend does a ray onto this and

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she's like I love Donna, i love Donna And I'm like yep.

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Well.

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Donna is a favorite, so he's got her tied up there.

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And you know, jim comes along and he's just like what is going

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on And Randall is like you.

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He tells Donna, you're in on this.

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Right.

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Which now, all of a sudden, I'm like well, maybe Randall's not

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a mole, Maybe he's not watching the downtown, But the thing that

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I noticed about Randall and I started having a lot of thoughts

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about Randall the thing that I noticed about Randall is that he

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didn't.

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He'd become unraveled.

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Speaker 1: No, i think I really think he wasn't the mole after

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watching this, because maybe I'm just I'm swaying with the way

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they're writing it, but he really wants to find out what's

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going on, like he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It's like he doesn't want to play ball with anyone,

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even at the expense of his own demise, if it comes to that

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right.

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But the thing was like I started thinking about where was

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Randall coming from, right?

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Going back to what Jade said about well, if you're on the bus

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, how good can you be doing, right?

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And he and Bokta have a laugh over that.

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So we know that Marielle is going to a treatment center,

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right, so she gets on the bus to go to the treatment center.

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Elgin's going to his grandma's house, so we have Randall going

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somewhere.

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Speaker 1: He's going to his nephew's birthday party.

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Remember.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, but he's coming from somewhere And but he

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may, you know, he might not even have been invited to that

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party, And I'm thinking he's coming from some kind of jail

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where He was possibly getting psychiatric help as well.

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That's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: First off, and I'm gonna say this, and I'm only

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gonna say it once to everybody I never really thought there was

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a mole, and I'm not saying that because, after the fact, i've

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always loved the Crominacle.

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Speaker 3: I like that too.

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Speaker 1: It just makes more sense.

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Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense, Even though Ethan has,

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you know, foregone his belief in the Crominacle.

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I think that that is still on the board.

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But I also think that Donna is a mole.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm also still there.

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And then there's someone else's a mole too.

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Oh, tilly.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Tilly is, i think she's just wise.

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So I wanna post a couple of comments about all this.

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You know our stressor, renny.

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I don't think there's a mole, i think we're just seeing

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everybody paranoid and I totally get that.

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And this place, this world, is making it crazy.

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The Crominacle also said the showrunners never talked about a

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mole.

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That doesn't mean anything, just because of you know.

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But and I understand what you're saying You know he's

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coming out of jail with a weapon .

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Well, i, you know he had a knife.

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Who knows where he got the knife?

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Speaker 3: I could have been hacked in a secret.

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Speaker 1: It could be anywhere.

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Speaker 3: I don't travel.

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I don't travel hardly at all, but I doubt that buses are going

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to the same security measures.

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That-.

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Speaker 1: They're not, they're so not.

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Speaker 3: So he could have had it on his person, he could have

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had it in his suitcase.

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It might not even be his, you know, but at any rate, I love.

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Speaker 1: then Boyd comes in, or do you want?

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to go before that.

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Did you want to do something before that?

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I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing about it is that Donna finds out, not

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not finds out.

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Donna tells Jim that they killed one.

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Like Jim know what she's talking about.

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Randall, despite even seeing them, still isn't buying into

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the whole thing.

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Right.

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So, you know, so she's like they've killed one, you know,

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And so they're going back and forth and then, you know, it's

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getting a little crazy and Boyd comes up at the best possible

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moment.

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Speaker 1: And says drop the fucking knife.

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Yeah, i mean it's a great line.

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It's such a great line.

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Speaker 3: But so they start, you know, talking about how they

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need to get in the RV in the next five minutes, because the

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sun is about to set in a major way.

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So that's when they end up in the RV versus the van because

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Randall throws the keys into the woods.

00:23:09
I mean, they could have watched and possibly gone to see where

00:23:14
the keys landed, but they're short on time And it's safer to

00:23:20
just run into that RV.

00:23:21
But you know, I don't see that RV is being all that sturdy.

00:23:27
Speaker 1: Well, i mean, they did that first episode, they did

00:23:31
our second episode.

00:23:33
You know, they stayed the night and whatever.

00:23:34
I do want to go back to one thing, if it's okay, just to ask

00:23:38
the poem Ars Meshra Reni, who is all things literature.

00:23:44
You know, reni, this is what she does for.

00:23:47
I mean, this is what he, reni, does for a living.

00:23:49
So there's a poem called Dream Within a dream by Edgar Allen

00:23:53
Poe.

00:23:53
It resemble, it's reminiscent of a nursery rhyme, but it's, it

00:24:01
isn't Sperbich, and you know, i think that's important.

00:24:07
You know, reni is always when I have a problem with these type

00:24:16
of things, reni always has the right answer.

00:24:19
But that said, they start coming right, lizzie.

00:24:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, they start coming in within you know pretty

00:24:31
quickly, because Donna's at one end of the RV, jim's at the

00:24:35
other end of the RV and you know we've got the nurse, the.

00:24:42
Speaker 1: We've got everybody.

00:24:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, Happy Hat and Wife, which is the couple that

00:24:47
showed up at the sheriff's office.

00:24:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cowboy, the cowboy.

00:24:51
Speaker 3: And Nana is there.

00:24:52
The milkman the groom, the cheerleader, the workman, the

00:24:57
mechanic, and I'm like where the hell is the bride in all of

00:25:00
this.

00:25:00
Like we saw her last season, why haven't we seen her this

00:25:05
season?

00:25:06
Speaker 1: You know, it's the same thing with Jasmine They may

00:25:08
not have been available.

00:25:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they didn't really show a close-up of her,

00:25:15
I don't think.

00:25:16
Speaker 1: I don't know.

00:25:16
I don't know.

00:25:18
Speaker 3: So they probably could have done somebody.

00:25:20
But the let's see.

00:25:23
I'm looking at my notes.

00:25:28
I don't really like the way I-.

00:25:31
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that needs to be pointed out is,

00:25:34
you know Donna's like.

00:25:35
They don't just stop like that.

00:25:38
Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah.

00:25:39
They're advancing towards the RV, and then they all just stop

00:25:43
and sink with one another.

00:25:45
Speaker 1: Right.

00:25:46
It's like they were waiting for something.

00:25:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they had a stop sign or a stoplight, you

00:25:52
know.

00:25:53
And so Boyd is talking about going out there and seeing if

00:26:00
the bullets work.

00:26:01
Speaker 1: Right Elgin's Silver Berlitz.

00:26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so then you know, randall's like I'll go do

00:26:08
it.

00:26:08
And no, donna suggests that Randall go do it.

00:26:12
You know, kill two with one bullet, basically Like he.

00:26:18
We find out if it works, and then you know-.

00:26:21
Speaker 1: And we get rid of Randall.

00:26:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when they stop moving, the music box

00:26:30
starts playing and it's coming through-.

00:26:35
Speaker 1: The broken radio.

00:26:36
Speaker 3: That's broken And they're all looking at it.

00:26:41
They all can hear it.

00:26:43
Now, this is the first time for Donna, Jim and Randall Boyd's

00:26:49
the only one that knew that melody before.

00:26:51
So this is the melody that they're talking about.

00:26:55
So what's gonna happen when the music stops?

00:26:58
So Randall grabs a monkey wrench, smashes the back window

00:27:08
and jumps out of the RV, And the thing about that is that he's

00:27:14
left them vulnerable at this point.

00:27:17
Speaker 1: Well, he The.

00:27:18
Speaker 3: RV is useless forever now.

00:27:20
Speaker 1: In his defense.

00:27:21
So he's new to this place.

00:27:24
He's been there a couple of days.

00:27:26
He's seen the monsters.

00:27:29
Speaker 3: Well and-.

00:27:30
Well, because he's been sitting in a bus.

00:27:33
That's nothing but windows.

00:27:35
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is this well, yeah, randall is a

00:27:38
dumbass, but my point being is then, all of a sudden, the game

00:27:43
changes because in his defense, every time like they kill one,

00:27:50
all right, and it's like it is kind of convenient For his point

00:27:54
of view, you can make the-.

00:27:57
Speaker 3: Every time they kill one.

00:27:58
Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying is, all of a sudden they can't

00:28:01
kill these things, and all of a sudden now they kill one, And in

00:28:05
his eyes.

00:28:06
In his eyes it looks convenient .

00:28:08
That's my point.

00:28:08
I mean, i'm not saying that he's not a dumbass.

00:28:10
I think he's the dumbest person in the world, but I can totally

00:28:15
see when the shit is in the pan He's like I'm out of here.

00:28:17
That's what I meant.

00:28:19
Yeah, yeah.

00:28:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:28:21
So then the music box is playing.

00:28:25
Boyd is saying we got to do something, because every time

00:28:29
the music stops, bad shit happens.

00:28:31
Just like when Victor is saying every time someone starts

00:28:35
asking questions, bad things happen, so he's going to go out

00:28:42
and let's see.

00:28:46
Speaker 1: The music stops.

00:28:47
Speaker 3: And then they hear the banging underneath the RV,

00:28:50
which it's like.

00:28:50
what could that be Like?

00:28:52
is it a fake out Or did one of them crawl in underneath?

00:29:01
But I can't see them being that way, since they're so dis not

00:29:08
discipline, but they're so intentional with the way they

00:29:12
walk and they don't move very fast And it's not like they're

00:29:17
knocking politely to be let in.

00:29:21
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and again, this is a total reach,

00:29:26
but remember, they do have caves .

00:29:29
Speaker 3: There is a cave system, we don't know how they

00:29:32
could have landed on top of a door.

00:29:35
Speaker 1: And they knew that they were there for whatever

00:29:37
reason, and they could just dig right out whatever.

00:29:39
I'm not again now.

00:29:44
now, this is interesting, but I didn't see this, do you

00:29:48
remember?

00:29:49
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, because I have it in my notes.

00:29:51
Speaker 1: Okay, i didn't know that.

00:29:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've got a number from Lost, or basically

00:29:56
in the Lost fashion.

00:29:57
We've got the number 47, which adds up to 11.

00:30:01
And 11 is I know it's important in numerology like you want the

00:30:09
number 11, but I don't remember what it is.

00:30:11
So the music stops, voids like freaking out because it has

00:30:17
stopped, and then they hear the banging.

00:30:21
Then Boyd decides to do something.

00:30:24
The second he's like I'm going to do something.

00:30:26
The lights start to flicker.

00:30:28
Right.

00:30:29
When lights flicker, that's when Randall jumps out the back

00:30:33
window and starts running, and then they go after them.

00:30:39
Well, they start.

00:30:39
Well, yeah, they start going after him.

00:30:41
But then Boyd gets Donna and Jim out of the RV And they run

00:30:48
for the van and Boyd is shooting .

00:30:52
And I have a problem with this because they've shot at them

00:30:59
before And we always see them go back.

00:31:02
You know like they absorb the hit right.

00:31:05
And this time I'm like Boyd is not that bad of a shot that he

00:31:12
has missed all of them with every single shot at close range

00:31:17
.

00:31:17
So I don't really understand what that's all about.

00:31:21
If they did get shot with the bullets and then they won't feel

00:31:28
the results from it right away or I don't know, but that kind

00:31:34
of bothered me.

00:31:34
So Jim and Donna get to the van , they're able to start it.

00:31:41
Nana, groomed, the mechanic and milkman, they follow Randall,

00:31:46
and then the other bunch, the cheerleader, the nurse, the

00:31:52
workman And let's see who else The nurse oh happy hat.

00:31:59
And wife.

00:32:00
They follow the van.

00:32:03
So they're after the van.

00:32:05
But I mean, it's not like they can really keep up with that.

00:32:08
But as Boyd is going out, abby appears And the lights are

00:32:17
flickering.

00:32:17
Did you notice that Abby flickers too?

00:32:21
Yeah.

00:32:24
I didn't see it the first time, yeah, i didn't see it the second

00:32:27
time, but when I was taking notes I was like, oh my God, she

00:32:31
glitched.

00:32:33
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that I found interesting

00:32:36
was along with that, it is she says come back to me Now.

00:32:42
That could be a couple of things.

00:32:48
It could be he's asleep and he's trying to.

00:32:51
You know, he could be dead or he could be in a hospital.

00:32:55
In a coma.

00:32:56
That's what I mean in a coma.

00:32:57
It could be a lot of things It could be.

00:33:01
This whole world is trying to bring him back in there for a

00:33:05
certain reason.

00:33:05
You know they're trying to trick him.

00:33:07
You know you can make a lot of cases with that.

00:33:14
I'm going to pop this one up Abby's telling Boyd to come back

00:33:19
to her.

00:33:19
Boyd's telling later to Christie to stay by Mary-Leigh's

00:33:26
house.

00:33:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mary-Else side.

00:33:30
Speaker 1: It triggers.

00:33:30
Boyd Might be a coma.

00:33:33
Yep, like I said, and Abby is next to him.

00:33:35
Yep, exactly, that's exactly what I just said.

00:33:37
Yeah, i will say this before you.

00:33:40
What did that mean?

00:33:42
No, i know, i don't know.

00:33:43
No.

00:33:43
My point being is is that electricity does have a lot to

00:33:50
do with this whole world.

00:33:51
Yeah.

00:33:52
Yeah, you know, i don't know what that means.

00:33:55
And folks, we're on the podcast , We're lovers of this show,

00:34:00
just like you are, and we're trying to piece this thing

00:34:03
together.

00:34:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, yeah, so when she disappears,

00:34:11
like there is one of those shrieking screams and then

00:34:16
Abby's gone Right, and even when , like because I mean this

00:34:21
doesn't really mean anything, but when Randall jumped out of

00:34:24
the back of the van behind him you can see the light flickering

00:34:28
, you know, but so I don't know what this?

00:34:33
because we never see who's making that scream ever, because

00:34:38
the monsters don't make a scream.

00:34:40
They don't make other than talking.

00:34:42
They don't say anything.

00:34:44
Speaker 1: Well, there's always screams outside.

00:34:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, the screams are outside.

00:34:48
It's almost like an alarm of some sort.

00:34:52
Like wake up, get out there.

00:34:53
It's time to go eat, you know.

00:34:55
And or on your market, set, go.

00:35:00
Whatever you can get Now, you can go, you know.

00:35:03
Go hunting.

00:35:03
Like that's the starting gun sound, you know.

00:35:08
Or one scream, you know, like screams go off at predetermined

00:35:15
intervals.

00:35:16
Speaker 1: So my question for you and as well as the viewers

00:35:19
do you think the cicadas are part of a bigger group, a bigger

00:35:27
picture, a bigger group that the monsters are scared of?

00:35:31
And the reason I say that, before you guys say anything, is

00:35:35
Randall gets attacked by the cicadas, correct?

00:35:39
Yes, he's the first one to get attacked by the cicadas, but

00:35:43
there was no monsters around.

00:35:46
They were pursuing him.

00:35:49
But I think they it looked like .

00:35:52
Speaker 3: They were well, we didn't see them right.

00:35:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:35:54
Speaker 3: It's not like they went.

00:35:56
They were on top of him while that was happening, but he was

00:36:00
running from the monsters.

00:36:02
And then, you know, i don't know if he heard the cicadas

00:36:08
coming, and you know that noise was getting louder because, i

00:36:12
mean, we've all heard that sound And at times it's much louder

00:36:17
than other times, but it's always, you know, pretty audible

00:36:22
, you know.

00:36:23
But he trips and falls, lands on his back and he's screaming

00:36:28
because they're all darting down at him.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: Again, again.

00:36:31
I know in the chat as well as you, you're saying that the

00:36:35
monsters are going after him.

00:36:36
I'm not I got to rewatch it again, but my point being is

00:36:42
they attacked them.

00:36:44
Speaker 3: I think they're part of the No, the cicadas did

00:36:46
attack them.

00:36:46
Speaker 1: No, no, I know.

00:36:47
What I mean is whether the monsters were coming at him.

00:36:50
I have to rewatch it again.

00:36:52
I already watched it a couple of times.

00:36:54
It's just an interesting thing, That's all.

00:36:59
Speaker 3: Well, you've got to remember that the monsters don't

00:37:01
run.

00:37:02
Speaker 1: They don't run.

00:37:03
Speaker 3: Bandos running and the cicadas can fly.

00:37:06
So it's not like I'm not saying that the monsters are right on

00:37:13
his tail.

00:37:13
They're not Right.

00:37:15
You know Like they, if there were no cicadas and Randa fell,

00:37:21
the monsters would have gained some ground on him, but you know

00:37:26
the cicadas got him first.

00:37:29
Speaker 1: So Before we get to another thing, i just wanted to

00:37:32
tell people once again you can hit the subscribe button at any

00:37:35
time and hit the bell.

00:37:36
And the reason I say hit the bell is because we are going to

00:37:41
Mrs Lou and Game Night.

00:37:43
Oh, yeah.

00:37:44
And Oh, go right ahead.

00:37:48
No, go right ahead, well.

00:37:49
Speaker 3: I'm going to say Victor must have gone down to

00:37:51
the bar and grabbed Jade to bring him back up here, up to

00:37:56
Mrs Lou's, to make sure that he was going to be okay.

00:37:58
For whatever reason, Victor is staying at Mrs Lou's house with

00:38:04
his friend Tabitha and his ex-friend Ethan.

00:38:08
And Ethan is pretty sour Like Yeah, He is really kind of sour

00:38:17
Now before.

00:38:20
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

00:38:21
Speaker 3: Doesn't the hero always lose his way and lose his

00:38:24
faith at some point?

00:38:25
Mm-hmm.

00:38:26
So I think that that's all that is happening.

00:38:31
So we've got Victor, jade, julie Tabitha, mrs Lou Tanchen

00:38:37
and Ethan.

00:38:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things I do want to point out

00:38:41
when you're done.

00:38:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:38:43
So my first question is is this the slumber party that we want

00:38:47
to be at?

00:38:48
I want to be there.

00:38:50
That's definitely Yeah.

00:38:52
Yeah, this is the one where I want to be.

00:38:53
Jade and Tabitha are broken off and they're in the kitchen and

00:38:59
they're looking at Eloise's pictures And they, you know,

00:39:06
they zero in first on the Civil War pictures.

00:39:09
And the thing that I wonder is that, especially with some of

00:39:17
the things that she drew and I'm drawing a blank at the moment

00:39:22
there were some things that she drew that we saw last week that

00:39:26
definitely hadn't, or we don't think had happened, because,

00:39:29
yeah, it was the bus, remember, she drew the picture of the bus

00:39:32
and she drew something else.

00:39:33
But were the Civil War pictures something that she saw in the

00:39:42
future that Jade sees, or was it something that she saw, or was

00:39:50
it something that came to her psychically?

00:39:54
Because, why would she draw that ?

00:39:55
And Tabitha says you know the?

00:39:59
no, because the pictures come from the mother's stories.

00:40:03
So I don't remember her telling stories or Victor saying that

00:40:08
she told stories.

00:40:09
But you know, maybe that was dialogue that was cut.

00:40:14
And then, if so, like if the you know.

00:40:20
My question was when was the little tidbit about mom telling

00:40:23
stories?

00:40:24
when was that revealed?

00:40:24
And then Tabitha shows him the tower pick And remember in the

00:40:31
first season, tabitha, she's digging and then all of a sudden

00:40:36
she's climbing stairs.

00:40:37
Speaker 1: Climbing stairs.

00:40:38
Yeah, with the dates, which they still have not gone back to

00:40:42
.

00:40:44
Speaker 3: They haven't gone back to it but I mean Victor's

00:40:48
only been there for 40 years.

00:40:50
I know in my first From Book I've got the dates written down

00:40:57
and it could be significant things that happened in those

00:41:01
years And maybe they're recorded when it happens and not

00:41:07
necessarily a predictor, because I don't remember seeing

00:41:11
anything from the future, any dates from the future.

00:41:13
It was all like years that were passed.

00:41:16
She says you know.

00:41:20
She tells Jade that Victor's mom wanted to save the children

00:41:25
that were in the tower.

00:41:26
Right.

00:41:28
And then she said maybe I've been thinking about these kids,

00:41:32
that I see, maybe I've been thinking about them all wrong.

00:41:35
So if you go back and you think about what those kids look like

00:41:38
, they're dirty, they've lost a lot of hair, the clothes are

00:41:46
dated or they appear to be dated , but you know, victor's mom was

00:41:55
going there to save them, that they were locked in the tower,

00:41:59
which makes me think that there's an evil witch somewhere

00:42:03
That would lock a bunch of kids in a tower.

00:42:05
But she suggests that maybe if they save the kids then they can

00:42:13
go home.

00:42:13
This is their way to go home.

00:42:17
Speaker 1: Now there's some theories out there about the

00:42:20
picture, because and again I'm drawing a blank on all the

00:42:27
similarities But when you look at the picture, there's like

00:42:30
these green stones.

00:42:33
Speaker 3: I thought they were like fir trees.

00:42:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a and again I was going to pull it

00:42:39
up but I couldn't get it before the podcast aired.

00:42:41
There's like I believe, seven or eight of them, and then it

00:42:46
kind of equates to a lot of other things The number of kids

00:42:50
that attack or whatever you want to call Tabatha.

00:42:54
There might be a correlation with that, but we'll have to

00:43:00
definitely take a look at that down the road.

00:43:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:43:10
Speaker 1: Now what?

00:43:10
just so you guys know, the pictures are not the mom's

00:43:14
memories, it's Louisa.

00:43:17
Eloise is Eloise's pictures, so that's what she's seeing.

00:43:22
She, for whatever reason, she made a picture of those Civil

00:43:26
War guys that Jade saw, you know , and Jade makes the point.

00:43:31
Why am I seeing a Civil War guy and this girl that's been?

00:43:37
Speaker 3: destroying them.

00:43:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's drawing them 40 years before this, so

00:43:41
again it's a I don't know.

00:43:43
I don't know.

00:43:46
Speaker 3: So my questions, following the whole tower thing,

00:43:52
you know, with Tabatha saying maybe this is how we get to go

00:43:55
home, it makes me wonder.

00:43:58
Is this why Victor is afraid of anyone asking questions?

00:44:03
because the last person or the first person to ask questions

00:44:06
was his mom, and his mom is not around anymore.

00:44:10
She never came back.

00:44:11
So there's that.

00:44:13
And then could Martin have tried to do the same thing and

00:44:20
then ended up locked in the tower And that is where Boyd

00:44:26
ended up.

00:44:27
Maybe they were already in the tower.

00:44:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do want to answer one question that the

00:44:34
Crominocle has said.

00:44:35
He keeps saying that Jade said it's Victor's mom, which he's

00:44:39
right.

00:44:39
You're absolutely right.

00:44:41
He did say Victor's mom.

00:44:42
but you have to remember those pictures were Eloise's pictures

00:44:48
in and Victor.

00:44:50
What's his question?

00:44:52
No, it wasn't.

00:44:53
No, he keeps questioning the fact that it's Victor's mom's

00:44:58
pictures.

00:44:59
It's not Victor's mom's pictures, It's Eloise's pictures

00:45:03
.

00:45:03
It was always Eloise's pictures .

00:45:09
Speaker 3: I think they made a little error possibly.

00:45:12
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter Yeah.

00:45:14
Speaker 3: But at any rate, yeah , it just started to make me

00:45:20
think, because what if Victor's mom is one of the body's chain

00:45:27
to walk And he also doesn't want to remember.

00:45:30
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to remember any of it because his

00:45:33
sister and his mom left and they were part of the massacre.

00:45:36
So he took those memories.

00:45:39
and why does it?

00:45:39
Speaker 3: work, were they?

00:45:40
I don't remember seeing a little girl And they didn't show

00:45:44
his mom.

00:45:45
Speaker 1: Well, all I know is this He said they weren't there

00:45:48
the next day.

00:45:49
He said this.

00:45:50
He said the reason you draw pictures is so you don't forget.

00:45:55
You don't just draw pictures, just draw pictures.

00:45:58
So those pictures were there, so he doesn't forget.

00:46:01
He put them in his car so he wanted to lock them up so he

00:46:05
could forget.

00:46:07
Speaker 3: I don't know what car that was, but that was his car.

00:46:10
Speaker 1: That was the car that they came in.

00:46:12
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't.

00:46:13
They came in a station wagon.

00:46:14
That car had a trunk.

00:46:16
He opened a trunk.

00:46:20
Speaker 1: Whichever car Maybe it was Christopher's car.

00:46:22
I don't know whose car it was then, but the bottom line it

00:46:25
doesn't matter.

00:46:26
The fact is he locked it up.

00:46:28
Speaker 3: You're saying it doesn't matter about a show,

00:46:32
don't get me started about, every bit counts.

00:46:35
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is this, lizzie, and no, i'm

00:46:39
pissed about this.

00:46:40
Speaker 3: Why are you pissed?

00:46:42
Speaker 1: Because you guys are wrong Meaning this, meaning this

00:46:47
, meaning this.

00:46:49
Okay, the fact is he said Eloise made the pictures.

00:46:55
He put it in the trunk to make sure he forgot, and that's the

00:47:02
reason why he did it.

00:47:03
Speaker 3: He didn't want to remember, that's all He hadn't

00:47:06
looked at those pictures for 40 years until they went to He

00:47:09
didn't want to Right.

00:47:13
Speaker 1: But all right.

00:47:14
So my thing is that Christopher's car, whatever.

00:47:19
Speaker 3: My thing is that perhaps They, boyd and Martin,

00:47:25
were in the tower.

00:47:26
Maybe Martin had the same mission And actually made it to

00:47:31
the tower And he was still alive , which makes me wonder how long

00:47:35
Martin had actually been there And he was still alive And he

00:47:40
was still alive.

00:47:42
So that's that She talks about.

00:47:47
Tabitha talks about the tower being in her dream Maybe she's

00:47:52
supposed to rescue the kids And then Mrs Lou breaks that whole

00:47:54
thing and says it's game night And brings a bunch of games.

00:47:59
I didn't recognize any, but I could tell they were all old

00:48:02
games And they were all old games And they were all old

00:48:10
games, like a really old game of monopoly or something like that

00:48:14
.

00:48:14
So Then you know Ethan's at the window, which I was kind of

00:48:19
surprised that he was standing there looking at the window,

00:48:23
almost like he was Challenging a monster to come to the house,

00:48:28
you know, and glamor him or whatever.

00:48:30
But he's all pissed off.

00:48:32
He's just saying we're all going to wake up dead.

00:48:35
And the curious thing that Victor says is that it won't

00:48:40
happen that way again, like he already knows, because I mean

00:48:47
he's been, we know he's been getting some communication

00:48:52
Because of certain things, because he knew that the two

00:48:54
cars were coming on the same day .

00:48:56
So he says that.

00:48:59
And then you know, i think Julie was at Julie that said

00:49:03
something to him about the Krominakal and she's like, and

00:49:06
he's like screw the Krominakal.

00:49:08
Speaker 1: He's kind of done.

00:49:09
And then, you know, what I find interesting is that Victor does

00:49:13
start to open up a little bit more He's opened up a lot this

00:49:16
season And he basically says to him, trying to comfort his

00:49:19
friend, that you know, you make your own I forget exactly how he

00:49:23
said it but you make your own, not luck, but you make your own

00:49:28
ending.

00:49:28
And then Ethan comes back and says wrong one, what about your?

00:49:34
oh, you make your own story.

00:49:35
And then, and then he's like what about your her story?

00:49:38
meaning his mom Did the ending.

00:49:40
It's not the ending that she wanted, you know so.

00:49:45
And then you all get mad at Ethan and what you got.

00:49:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:49:50
So the one thing, like when Ethan storms up what storms off,

00:49:56
what I really have noticed a difference in it's it's striking

00:50:01
is that Julie turns to Victor and she's like I'm so sorry,

00:50:05
like she's treating him with such care and reverence now

00:50:10
versus when she first met him.

00:50:11
and you know he's the creepy guy Yeah, Yeah exactly.

00:50:17
And so then, julie not Julie Tabitha and Jader back in the

00:50:22
kitchen.

00:50:22
and you know they were just I hate saying this, but it was

00:50:27
almost like some throwaway lines , they were just it just put

00:50:31
them back in the kitchen so that they weren't in the living room

00:50:34
.

00:50:34
when Julie goes into being attacked by cicadas that are

00:50:41
invisible, that only she can see , So now, at that point, then

00:50:48
that's when the episode ends.

00:50:51
Speaker 1: But the fact is she was the third person to be

00:50:54
attacked, by cicadas at that, in this episode.

00:51:00
Speaker 3: In this episode that we saw.

00:51:02
Speaker 1: That we saw All right , so Sheriff's Office.

00:51:06
Yeah, let's go to Sheriff's Office.

00:51:08
So.

00:51:10
Speaker 3: Oh my God, i could not have put two of the most two

00:51:18
people that should not have been alone together.

00:51:20
I just felt so bad for Kenny the entire time.

00:51:25
And then Sarah just would not shut up And he's basically

00:51:31
telling her to shut the fuck up.

00:51:33
Shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up.

00:51:34
And she would not shut up.

00:51:40
Speaker 1: I understand And I'm, you know, i give Sarah first

00:51:43
off, the two actors killed it, yeah, and then he went head to

00:51:48
head And it it was an uncomfortable scene.

00:51:51
I think that she was trying in her way to justify slash,

00:52:01
apologize slash, trying to get her redemption to her on, but I

00:52:06
think that she also dropped a couple of bombs that could be

00:52:10
important to the bigger story.

00:52:12
Yeah, and he had a lot of faith in and his fears, yeah, coming

00:52:17
true And you know, with the cicadas, and I think I think it

00:52:24
was the Crominocle who also pointed out when we come to the

00:52:29
map, norman's on the map.

00:52:34
Now, for those of you who don't remember, Norman was in the

00:52:37
beginning of episode one was the monster that they were talking

00:52:40
about?

00:52:40
Yeah, and there's a lot of.

00:52:43
There's a couple of things that go on there, but this is the

00:52:47
thing.

00:52:47
You know.

00:52:47
Sarah does stand up for herself , but there's a theory out there

00:52:52
, and I want to go back to the season finale of last last

00:52:58
season.

00:52:58
Do you think the bottles in the woods are everybody's fears?

00:53:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question, But weren't there

00:53:12
years, though, like pieces of paper, with the years written on

00:53:17
them in the bottles?

00:53:19
Speaker 1: But my point being is there could be a whole bunch of

00:53:22
reasons for those bottles.

00:53:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, i mean it could be like someone's fear from

00:53:28
that year or something like that like a theme.

00:53:31
Speaker 1: Right.

00:53:32
Speaker 3: But what she said, though, is that this place feels

00:53:36
wrong, just like forested, and I just I hated the whole thing

00:53:43
for Kenny.

00:53:44
I hated it, and I kind of couldn't believe he didn't just

00:53:50
go in another room and stay in another room, even if it meant

00:53:54
that he left the door open.

00:53:56
But what I got from Sarah the biggest part I got from Sarah

00:54:04
was like oh, my life sucks.

00:54:06
I didn't get to be me, i didn't get this, i didn't get that.

00:54:11
It was all like, oh my God, i'm so sorry, sarah, but it was

00:54:17
like it wasn't just about you know, just about being there.

00:54:22
It seemed to be everything that she was bitching about.

00:54:26
Speaker 1: But you know what, though?

00:54:27
she's entitled to bitch and moan.

00:54:29
Not to Kenny.

00:54:30
I understand that, but at the same time, you know what, yes,

00:54:35
she is, because you know what, kenny's not the only person

00:54:40
that's lost something.

00:54:40
All right, i mean, i understand what she did.

00:54:42
Was was unforgivable.

00:54:44
Speaker 3: She killed four people.

00:54:46
Speaker 1: I understand that It's also a weird world.

00:54:50
Yeah, people are jumping through, jumping through trees,

00:54:56
monsters are coming out, right.

00:54:58
But my point being is everybody says they would, they would do

00:55:05
X, y and Z until they're in that particular situation.

00:55:09
And I mean, i'm not.

00:55:12
I'm not defending her in the sense of what she did was

00:55:15
absolutely wrong.

00:55:16
I'm just saying she's trying to redeem herself.

00:55:19
I'm not saying she's doing a very good job of it.

00:55:22
Speaker 3: She's not doing a good job of it at all.

00:55:24
But you know what though.

00:55:28
Speaker 1: She's trying to get it.

00:55:28
Hold on.

00:55:30
Speaker 3: Then she tries to play Russian roulette.

00:55:31
Oh yeah, you're jumping at like , yeah, but it was he's the one

00:55:37
that suggested her killing herself.

00:55:40
Right, you know?

00:55:42
because she's talking she apologizes, but she won't stop

00:55:47
talking.

00:55:47
She's up at the map saying this one is you, this one is me, and

00:55:52
you know.

00:55:53
She's saying I'm a murderer and all this other crap, crap.

00:55:56
And she's saying this place destroyed, the only person I get

00:56:01
to be And it's over for me.

00:56:03
And then Kenny's like well, boyd keeps an extra gun in that

00:56:08
top right shelf there, top right drawer, and Kenny leaves for a

00:56:14
while and he comes back and she's sitting there staring at

00:56:17
the gun with the bullets on the desk.

00:56:19
And I'm just thinking, i'm like if she was serious, wouldn't

00:56:24
she just have gone ahead and did it?

00:56:25
She wanted an audience.

00:56:26
She waited until Kenny came back.

00:56:28
It was like she wanted to terrorize him some more.

00:56:33
It wasn't enough to just kill his father, but she wanted to

00:56:39
terrorize him to put him through that.

00:56:41
Okay.

00:56:44
Speaker 1: It involved him.

00:56:44
What I okay, Okay, what No, I'm not, I'm not going to, Okay, I

00:56:55
mean, I don't think she was trying to terrorize him.

00:56:56
I just don't.

00:56:58
Speaker 3: So a I just I think what she did was no, no.

00:57:03
Speaker 1: Kenny can't have it both ways.

00:57:04
Okay, so Kenny.

00:57:06
Kenny says I want you to die, i'm going to throw you in the

00:57:08
box.

00:57:08
I'm doing all this.

00:57:08
He tells her that there's a gun in the frigging thing, and then

00:57:13
, when it comes down to it, he doesn't have the balls to let

00:57:15
her pull the trigger.

00:57:17
Speaker 3: So he can't have it both ways because she tried

00:57:20
twice and there was no one.

00:57:22
So what?

00:57:23
Let her die.

00:57:24
I know, but the thing was like, the thing that gets that

00:57:28
bothers me is that she waits for him to come back into the room

00:57:32
before she even tries to do anything And she's like how many

00:57:37
bullets should I put in?

00:57:38
Like she's all drama.

00:57:40
Speaker 1: I'm taking that scene differently, but okay.

00:57:43
Speaker 3: Wow Okay.

00:57:45
Speaker 1: I mean listen.

00:57:45
that's why, that's why we podcast, that's why people have

00:57:47
different opinions.

00:57:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'm not saying either one of us is right.

00:57:51
I'm not.

00:57:52
I'm not saying either one of us is right.

00:57:57
It was very manipulative of her and I think that She's been

00:58:03
manipulative all along that we possibly could be seeing Sarah

00:58:11
in the larger sense that we've never seen her.

00:58:14
Speaker 1: I, she's the mole.

00:58:16
Ha ha ha, i'm kidding.

00:58:17
Yeah, i'm not going down that road.

00:58:20
Speaker 3: But the thing is like she's up in or she's down in

00:58:23
New Hope, pennsylvania, pennsylvania, with some guy and

00:58:27
it didn't go well and it's so bad that Nathan has to drive

00:58:31
from Boston To Pittsburgh or wherever New Hope is together

00:58:37
and like I'm hoping that it's at the top of.

00:58:42
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania.

00:58:42
no, exactly where it is, it's in the middle.

00:58:45
It's on the border.

00:58:46
It's on the border of New Jersey and and New New in

00:58:51
Pennsylvania.

00:58:52
Speaker 3: So he's got to drive all the way through New Jersey

00:58:56
to get there.

00:58:57
Like I don't know if you've ever driven that.

00:59:00
I've driven it a couple of times.

00:59:01
Speaker 1: It's a living New Jersey I.

00:59:04
Speaker 3: Know you do, but do you live all the way down there?

00:59:08
Speaker 1: I've been to New Hope .

00:59:08
Yeah, it's not that.

00:59:11
Speaker 3: I mean so you know the like driving from the top of

00:59:14
New Jersey to the bottom.

00:59:15
It's a long ride.

00:59:16
It's, it's a couple, it's like three is showers if not even,

00:59:20
but I don't know, when you don't have like a State line to mark

00:59:25
something, it just gets to be a long gets to be a pain in the

00:59:29
ass.

00:59:29
Yeah, i just, i really just didn't like how she Wanted to

00:59:38
involve him in this and listen, and listen if if the listeners

00:59:43
think I'm wrong.

00:59:44
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to.

00:59:45
I'm not trying to call it controversy here.

00:59:47
I'm not saying.

00:59:48
All I'm saying is the girls been through a lot.

00:59:50
She deserves to die, she wants to die.

00:59:53
She said she wanted to die, she's wait, hold on.

00:59:58
She said there's no place for me here.

01:00:01
I would rather go out in the wilderness because I think

01:00:04
there's there's more that I can do.

01:00:06
And She says if I, if I just don't want to be here anymore,

01:00:09
so you know what walk out into the woods.

01:00:11
No one's stopped.

01:00:12
She tried to when She told Boyd I want to go give me a talisman.

01:00:23
Speaker 3: She could have just gone.

01:00:24
Speaker 1: I guess she could have just gone, but you could

01:00:26
have just gone.

01:00:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know like.

01:00:28
Speaker 1: I don't know Okay.

01:00:29
Speaker 3: I guess I think she just wants to be able to blame

01:00:33
somebody else all the time.

01:00:34
That's what I think.

01:00:38
Speaker 1: I didn't get there yet.

01:00:39
We didn't get there.

01:00:40
Cromin-occle Okay.

01:00:41
Now colony, All right so now we can get to what he was saying,

01:00:48
or she was saying.

01:00:48
So now we're at the colony house and And Reggie is being

01:00:55
the biggest pain in the you know what?

01:00:57
Speaker 3: Yes, he is totally.

01:00:57
No, you know what you needed.

01:01:01
Speaker 1: What needed some cheese for all the whining that

01:01:04
he was doing.

01:01:04
Oh my god.

01:01:08
Speaker 3: He was whining.

01:01:09
It was terrible.

01:01:09
He says something broke.

01:01:12
Now I can't remember what that meant.

01:01:16
Speaker 1: Well, he said about his wife.

01:01:18
Something broke inside of her.

01:01:18
Yeah, what when?

01:01:22
When he was in colony house He was telling about his wife and I

01:01:27
know, but at what?

01:01:28
Speaker 3: point?

01:01:28
At what point did something break in her?

01:01:31
Speaker 1: I don't remember that I don't she went up to sleep or

01:01:34
something?

01:01:35
Yeah, and then he goes, and then he starts in with the we're

01:01:38
all gonna die, yeah, and then he pushes, he pushes Ellis, yeah

01:01:46
, and then everybody's like it was, like he threw him across

01:01:49
the room, poor Ellis.

01:01:50
He just had friggin major surgery and he's getting pushed

01:01:55
around.

01:01:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, by this guy.

01:01:57
And.

01:01:57
And then he tells everyone boy, you know what, i'm sorry, no,

01:02:05
no wait, cromonuckles, like of course.

01:02:07
Speaker 1: You should act like that.

01:02:08
I get that.

01:02:09
Act like what that Reggie, he was just annoying.

01:02:18
Speaker 3: The reason why it's hard to have sympathy for

01:02:20
someone acting like that.

01:02:22
Speaker 1: No, no.

01:02:22
The reason why, the reason why we're not being more sympathetic

01:02:25
, is because the way he treated Sarah and His wife treated Sarah

01:02:30
when she tried to get the stuff , like, oh this is our place,

01:02:34
you're the murderer, you've been here for two seconds.

01:02:36
She's been here a lot longer, like, give me a break.

01:02:39
Yeah, i'm not defending Sarah, it's just it.

01:02:43
Just no, it just seemed very strange.

01:02:46
Speaker 3: They, they have done.

01:02:48
They've done nothing to make, to want to make them the center

01:02:52
of our universe.

01:02:53
That's for sure.

01:02:55
The two of them were not Pleasant people, and it was

01:02:59
amazing that they were able to find each other on this planet

01:03:04
So that they could end up in that little place alone.

01:03:08
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying Me.

01:03:11
No, i'm looking at Cromonuckles , you know.

01:03:14
Oh, if you saw, if you saw all those images, i get what you're

01:03:18
saying.

01:03:18
But at the same time, you're in a world that is like batshit

01:03:24
crazy.

01:03:25
They've all seen a lot.

01:03:27
I'm just telling you right now He was a whiny little bitch.

01:03:30
He was.

01:03:31
He was not helping the situation.

01:03:33
Speaker 3: No, he was not.

01:03:34
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line.

01:03:35
What he's ringing the bell.

01:03:37
I'm like I know no one's supposed to be a Sleep anyway,

01:03:42
but calm on right, i Understand he's gonna be in shock and

01:03:47
you're right, he should be in shock, but at the same time, you

01:03:51
know, i Am cold, i'm not cold, i'm not being cold.

01:03:56
Then I'm frigid, i am.

01:03:59
Speaker 3: You know like the freeze-meister.

01:04:02
If that's the case, if you're cold, yeah no, No it's sweet and

01:04:08
you know something.

01:04:09
Speaker 1: This is the bottom line and Lisa Summs it up He

01:04:13
might, i, might, i might be wrong and he might be in a state

01:04:16
of shock, but that doesn't mean he needs to be that annoying.

01:04:20
Speaker 3: No, no, I mean, you know what.

01:04:22
They should have put him and Sarah In the sheriff's office

01:04:26
together.

01:04:27
Speaker 1: That would have been great.

01:04:28
You're gonna die.

01:04:30
Good, i want to.

01:04:32
I'm gonna watch you Oh.

01:04:34
No, no, no, wait hold on.

01:04:37
I understand where his pain is coming from.

01:04:38
Crominacle, that's not.

01:04:40
I understand that.

01:04:41
Speaker 3: He's just annoying, that's all I was saying one of

01:04:44
the same, having this one-sided argument that No one else

01:04:48
besides you knows what's going on.

01:04:50
Speaker 1: Okay, here anyway.

01:04:51
I'm sorry there now I'll pump it up there.

01:04:54
Yeah yeah, he's annoying.

01:04:56
I thought you could see that.

01:04:57
That's why I'm sorry.

01:04:58
Speaker 3: Oh, no one can see that.

01:04:59
You're just talking to yourself .

01:05:01
Speaker 1: I am talking to myself.

01:05:03
Speaker 3: All right.

01:05:04
So, christy?

01:05:05
Christy gets Mario into a detox room, which happens to be like

01:05:10
the perfect room because it's got leg and arm restraints and

01:05:15
Wait, you're talking about the sex room.

01:05:17
Yeah, hold on hold.

01:05:20
Speaker 1: On hold on.

01:05:21
Speaker 3: Interesting that.

01:05:23
Yeah, there you go.

01:05:25
I think it's interesting that They have a room like that up

01:05:31
the colony house but they don't have anything like that down in

01:05:34
the town.

01:05:34
Well, I think that that room gets used a Lot, but it gets

01:05:42
used.

01:05:42
Speaker 1: It gets used when people Come to the town and they

01:05:46
go to the colony house.

01:05:48
Speaker 3: But you know like how many of the bus people ended up

01:05:51
in there, i wonder.

01:05:52
But it was a good room for Marielle.

01:05:55
Speaker 1: But really was it.

01:05:58
Speaker 3: Because she needed to be strapped down at one point.

01:06:01
You know she needed that so that she wasn't because, i mean,

01:06:06
she was ripping The covers off the windows so she could have

01:06:11
just let someone in and having a repeat of the night of Jasmine.

01:06:17
Speaker 1: So she needed to be under control in that way the

01:06:20
one thing that, you know, i Didn't understand, and this is

01:06:25
something that just is driving me nuts, and Lisa points it out

01:06:28
as well Every time somebody left her alone, something happened.

01:06:33
at what point do you say I'm not gonna leave you alone?

01:06:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, or someone should have been staying with

01:06:41
her the whole time.

01:06:41
There's plenty of people in that house that hello.

01:06:45
Yeah, yeah, very true.

01:06:47
So then You know there's the conversation with Ellis and

01:06:52
Christie About the baby and the baby possibly falling asleep,

01:06:58
and you know the whole thing.

01:07:00
I Don't know.

01:07:02
I get it and then I'm like what are you gonna do?

01:07:04
You can't keep that baby awake.

01:07:06
You know it's just a little fetus guy in there.

01:07:09
But then Christie tells him about being in med school and

01:07:16
how all of it is just a mystery.

01:07:18
And There's this big ball of fire That's 93 million miles

01:07:25
away.

01:07:26
That somehow keeps us warm.

01:07:28
And When I was teaching astrobiology, we were always

01:07:34
like one of the little Visions enough visions.

01:07:39
But the way we, the way I would describe it and you know it was

01:07:42
in the curriculum is that The planets, the inner planets, are

01:07:51
like they're around a campfire right.

01:07:53
The Sun is the, the fire, and then you've got Venus, mercury,

01:07:58
mars, or Mercury, venus, mars and Earth, mars.

01:08:01
Yeah, i know the order of the planets, but they're just all in

01:08:05
that Almost like insulated space.

01:08:08
And then we've got, you know, the asteroid belt, and then

01:08:13
there's a huge difference Distance before we get to the

01:08:16
gas giants.

01:08:17
But here we are for little planets that are close to the,

01:08:24
the Sun, and We are just the right distance to, you know, be

01:08:32
able to Sustain life on our planet at this point.

01:08:36
It wasn't always that way, but finally, for the last, you know,

01:08:41
4.6 billion years, or how many years have we had life on this

01:08:45
planet?

01:08:46
Speaker 1: You're the teacher, i don't know.

01:08:48
Speaker 3: I think 3 million years, something like that Took

01:08:51
a million years for the planet to cool down enough for

01:08:54
something to start happening, but anyways, it Seems like that

01:09:01
doesn't mean very much.

01:09:03
But if you think about it right , we've got the Sun at a

01:09:09
distance Making sure the trains run on time right, and then we

01:09:15
have.

01:09:15
What it's suggesting is that they are being controlled by

01:09:21
something that is not right there, something, some other

01:09:26
entity that's keeping them alive .

01:09:29
You know, it might be playing God with who gets killed and who

01:09:34
doesn't get killed, but There's something else in control of

01:09:40
things.

01:09:40
So that that's what that meant to me, and Christie's Expert

01:09:50
medical opinion was that pregnancy is weird you know

01:09:54
something, though I mean, at the end of the day, that's what it

01:09:57
basically is.

01:09:59
Speaker 1: You know, birth is a mystery, life is a mystery.

01:10:01
I think it's fitting that They put this episode and this scene

01:10:09
in on the day that they did, because it's Father's Day and,

01:10:15
and you know It's like when fear did you know, killed off the

01:10:20
mother on Mother's Day?

01:10:21
I mean, like you know, at least it wasn't, no, it was, it was.

01:10:28
it was grace the first time, it was grace the first time she

01:10:32
died, or the daughter died, or something, i don't know what

01:10:34
that was No.

01:10:36
Speaker 3: they killed, oh no, the, the woman that gave birth

01:10:39
to right, right, they did on Mother's Day, no, but Like she's

01:10:45
like trekking to make sure she gets someplace with the baby.

01:10:49
Speaker 1: No, but to your point .

01:10:51
You know, being a father, it's being Being an expecting father.

01:10:58
The greatest day of my life was the day I found out my wife was

01:11:01
pregnant.

01:11:02
The worst day was every single day until that baby came out,

01:11:06
because we had some complications.

01:11:08
Yeah, and we, we were very lucky.

01:11:11
My, my daughter, is Healthy and happy, but she's got all her

01:11:15
fingers, all her toes and everything else didn't between.

01:11:17
But it's a very You don't know what you don't know and and the

01:11:24
other thing is You know, we I want to jump ahead to when

01:11:30
Christy, when Christy is having issue with with her Girlfriend

01:11:37
and she's sick Yeah, she does have the bugs.

01:11:40
Because I'm gonna tell you right now, lisa said well, well,

01:11:44
christy is off, your damn right .

01:11:46
She's off because her girlfriend just told her the

01:11:49
reason why she relapsed was her.

01:11:51
Yeah, she was lost.

01:11:53
Now She also is a medical professional trying to deal with

01:11:57
a detox, girlfriend.

01:11:59
And I'm gonna tell you right now, the worst thing When my kid

01:12:03
or my wife gets sick, i'm an idiot.

01:12:06
When somebody else gets sick and I'm on and I'm as an EMT, i can

01:12:10
help you as much as I know.

01:12:12
But when it comes to my kid and my wife, i'm a.

01:12:15
I can totally relate with what.

01:12:17
What happened to her and boy.

01:12:20
It is like you're a third-year medical student, you're a doctor

01:12:23
, treat your like a, treat her like a patient, and that's hard

01:12:28
to do.

01:12:28
Yeah, i mean that's hard to do, but in terms of the baby, it

01:12:33
was actually I.

01:12:34
I saw that.

01:12:35
I saw that whole entire scene.

01:12:37
I was laughing because he was a typical father to be, yeah, and

01:12:44
he just you don't know what you don't know.

01:12:46
And if Christy said you need to dance around with your hand

01:12:51
doing this all Day, slapping your head, you know what he'd be

01:12:53
doing.

01:12:54
He'd be doing that and and that's, and that's the wonderful

01:12:59
thing about Parenthood, or future parenthood at that point

01:13:04
and it was only a couple of weeks, maybe six weeks, if that

01:13:09
You know.

01:13:09
So there's not a lot.

01:13:10
I mean there's, there's definitely a baby there, but

01:13:13
it's, it's like a I forget what it is a llama lama bean or lima

01:13:18
bean, or whatever, yeah, i mean, it's early, it's very early and

01:13:23
the fact that she equated it to the ball of magic fire was

01:13:28
great, you know.

01:13:32
But I and I understand what you're saying about maybe the

01:13:35
baby possibly becoming a monster If it's sleeping, something may

01:13:39
happen.

01:13:40
Come through the belly, all this other.

01:13:42
Speaker 3: It could just die.

01:13:44
Speaker 1: It could just die carriage.

01:13:47
Speaker 3: I mean it could, it could die anyway, you know.

01:13:50
So anyway, so.

01:13:55
Mary L has, you know, multiple meltdowns.

01:13:57
Boyd has to come up and remind Christy, like what she needs as

01:14:03
a doctor and not a girlfriend right now, and You know part of

01:14:08
it is she just has to not take it in stride, but just she needs

01:14:13
to remove herself emotionally from the situation because you

01:14:18
know She can't do the best by Mary L otherwise.

01:14:23
And you know Mary L is Oscillating between being very,

01:14:28
you know, docile and then being out of control until they

01:14:31
finally strap her down and And you know she's she's not

01:14:40
wandering all over the place.

01:14:41
I mean her being able to wander all over that room, like I said

01:14:46
, just puts everyone at risk.

01:14:48
So then we see Elgin teaching Tilly how to crochet.

01:14:53
I know it's so cute Yeah and so I'm kind of support, well, yeah,

01:15:01
i don't want a stereotype or but I don't know, i, i don't

01:15:05
know I can crochet, but only because my mom did, you know,

01:15:09
and I learned a little bit then.

01:15:10
But Fatima comes over and And Tilly, you know, says something

01:15:17
about her being pregnant, and then she's like, oh, you can

01:15:21
always tell.

01:15:21
I'm like no, you can't.

01:15:24
You can't just tell someone's like six, seven weeks pregnant,

01:15:29
i mean maybe once in a while, you know, but like tillies, like

01:15:33
you know, as if she predicts it all the time.

01:15:37
Speaker 1: Hey, you know yeah you're not showing.

01:15:40
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

01:15:41
So, and she's, like I know, an expecting mother when I see one

01:15:47
and she's got four, four kids and seven grandkids.

01:15:50
Speaker 1: Now I want to.

01:15:51
I want to go into this because people in the chat are talking

01:15:54
about this whole thing and There's a couple of points I

01:15:58
want to point out here.

01:15:59
First off, you know the radio.

01:16:03
The radio is 47.

01:16:05
On the radio Tillie has four kids and seven grandkids and

01:16:10
Lisa said four minus three is.

01:16:13
Who's Lisa?

01:16:15
Lisa's, another person that's in the chat.

01:16:17
Oh, that's why I know you can't see the chat.

01:16:22
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's why well, and, and as Lisa said,

01:16:25
i'm like what characters named Lisa?

01:16:28
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't know, she's the other character.

01:16:30
Yeah, there you go.

01:16:32
Speaker 3: So you end up with three.

01:16:33
Four minus three is not equal.

01:16:35
I know, i know or plus three is equal to seven.

01:16:40
Seven minus four is equal to three right, so Anyway the told

01:16:49
her my thoughts.

01:16:52
Speaker 1: Well, the the bottom line is and and I think that

01:16:55
this is what it's, this is what it's.

01:16:57
You're right, it's seven minus four equals three.

01:17:00
Okay, you know what?

01:17:03
Speaker 3: Like I'm one to talk, I make screw-ups like that all

01:17:06
the time you know what?

01:17:07
Speaker 1: guys, guys, guys.

01:17:08
You're talking what you were doing.

01:17:10
You're talking to the king of Dixlexia here.

01:17:12
Speaker 4: That's why I don't read the feedback and I know

01:17:15
that's why you're so mad all the time.

01:17:17
Speaker 1: I am mad all the time .

01:17:18
I'm just a mad guy.

01:17:21
Speaker 3: No, like what I'm just like.

01:17:22
Oh, you gotta, you gotta fix this.

01:17:25
Speaker 1: I go?

01:17:25
yeah, we're always.

01:17:26
And and if you, know.

01:17:28
I wish I knew Alex.

01:17:30
Speaker 3: I mean, of course I have patience with you, like I

01:17:33
try to be a good teacher and have patience.

01:17:36
Speaker 1: But No, no, but, but the bottom line is what the

01:17:40
issue is, okay with the bottom line.

01:17:42
Is There's a connection?

01:17:44
possibly, and I'm not saying it is the connection, but the

01:17:48
number 47 has come up a lot of times and I don't know how old

01:17:53
till he is, and if and and folks She is not 47 or 74.

01:17:59
Speaker 3: She's 74.

01:18:00
Speaker 1: My point being is and Lisa, we still love you.

01:18:04
I'm the last person to be talking about bad math, so don't

01:18:06
worry.

01:18:09
Speaker 3: But I'm just used to reading kids math work.

01:18:12
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is there's a, there's some kind

01:18:15
of connection.

01:18:16
But what I love about this whole entire Scene is the scene

01:18:20
right after it is.

01:18:21
Elgin finally gets to talk to somebody and I still don't

01:18:25
understand why his, why Fatima's pregnancy Was the reason why he

01:18:32
remembered this.

01:18:33
Speaker 3: I don't think that we got the whole story.

01:18:38
Speaker 1: We've never gotten the whole story.

01:18:40
Speaker 3: No, as far as his dream, because When he finds out

01:18:47
that Fatima is pregnant because till he was blah, blah, blah,

01:18:50
blabbing right Then all of a sudden we've got Elgin, we've

01:18:58
got Fatima, we've got Boyd and we've got Ellis and And Elgin.

01:19:04
Because El Elgin was like, oh my god, this was my dream.

01:19:07
Now I remember my dream and he says quite clearly the boy and

01:19:13
was dream on the bus.

01:19:16
Speaker 1: Right.

01:19:16
Speaker 3: He was dreaming on the bus, and that's what he

01:19:20
couldn't remember, and so Wait, wait, wait, wait before you get

01:19:25
to that.

01:19:26
Speaker 1: Before you get to that, i just want to point out I

01:19:29
was wrong About the bus.

01:19:31
I thought it wasn't a dream, and it evidently was a dream.

01:19:35
So I need to come clean, because that's why she was

01:19:38
yelling at me.

01:19:39
It was me, because you're always arguing with me okay.

01:19:47
Speaker 3: I mean when, when we oh actually I interviewed Nathan

01:19:51
Simmons myself- Yes, you did ask him and he wasn't 100% and

01:19:58
he's like, but I think it was on the bus and now we know it was

01:20:01
definitely on the bus.

01:20:02
Speaker 1: We got to get him back.

01:20:03
We got to get him back cuz he, likes Lee, loves talking from oh

01:20:07
my god, i love him.

01:20:08
Speaker 3: He was, he's such a sweetheart.

01:20:10
Well, anyways.

01:20:11
So he spills the beans that Fatima is pregnant, and then he

01:20:16
talks about the dream And he was like it was a little boy

01:20:19
dressed in white and repeated the same phrase over and over

01:20:25
Here they come, they come for three, unless you stop the

01:20:29
melody.

01:20:30
And then vodka says It's an old nursery rhyme that her

01:20:35
grandmother used to sing to her.

01:20:37
Yeah.

01:20:38
I don't know.

01:20:38
So oh Yeah, and during all of that, you know, boyd finds out

01:20:49
that Fatima is pregnant.

01:20:51
Speaker 1: And he's going to be a grandfather.

01:20:53
Speaker 3: I love the look on his face.

01:20:54
And he looks, he's looking back like Yeah, he's like, but you

01:20:58
know, ellis was going to tell him, was trying to tell him and

01:21:01
then Donna showed up.

01:21:03
So that was the whole issue.

01:21:05
Remember it was?

01:21:07
I think it was last episode.

01:21:08
he's up there talking to Ellis and Ellis is like I feel good, i

01:21:12
feel good, you know, back to my old fighting shape, and then

01:21:18
Donna's like boy, you know, and so just as as he was going to

01:21:23
tell him something.

01:21:25
But you know Jim tries to get out of there because it's like

01:21:28
Donna Boyd and Jim make it back to the house.

01:21:31
Thankfully, jim tries to get out of there.

01:21:33
I got to go to my family and Yeah, Jim was a little annoying

01:21:38
this week.

01:21:38
No, he wasn't just at that moment.

01:21:42
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that moment.

01:21:42
I was like enough already, yeah .

01:21:44
And he's like trying to apologize.

01:21:45
This wasn't the plan.

01:21:47
This wasn't the plan.

01:21:47
I'm like all right.

01:21:48
Yeah.

01:21:48
I mean, i love I you know how much I love Ian.

01:21:51
It's just that it was just.

01:21:53
This episode was just like dude enough.

01:21:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right .

01:21:57
So let's talk about the whole three thing, and I think that's

01:22:01
like the last thing that I just want to discuss.

01:22:04
I don't know if you have anything else, but I do want to

01:22:08
talk about what this three thing means.

01:22:10
Speaker 1: Okay, go right ahead.

01:22:12
Speaker 3: So my thing is that, all right, I didn't.

01:22:19
it didn't necessarily have to be three of the same things,

01:22:23
right, They come for three And it's not saying that three

01:22:28
identical things.

01:22:29
But then we we start having categories put together, right,

01:22:36
So definitely dead as Paula, definitely dead.

01:22:42
Speaker 1: She's dead.

01:22:43
She ain't coming back.

01:22:46
Speaker 3: What we don't know is Randall.

01:22:48
Randall appeared to be going the same route as Paula because,

01:22:54
paula, it was obvious something had gotten to her, and Reggie

01:22:59
said he saw the cicadas Okay, which they must have gone down

01:23:05
in through her mouth when she was screaming and then burrowed

01:23:08
their way out and just made a mess of her.

01:23:11
Speaker 1: That's just gross.

01:23:12
Speaker 3: It is gross, but at any rate.

01:23:15
so the cicadas did that to her.

01:23:17
And then there we see Randall.

01:23:20
It was like, oh well, this is how it all happens, right?

01:23:23
Because he's falling, he's on his back and he's screaming and

01:23:27
his mouth is open and the cicadas are going into his mouth

01:23:31
.

01:23:31
They're just crawling right in.

01:23:33
They're not like trying to, like, you know, dig his stomach

01:23:36
out or anything like that from the outside.

01:23:38
They're just going in on the, on the inside of his body, right

01:23:42
?

01:23:42
So then the, that's one, maybe two, okay.

01:23:50
Then we see Marielle, who we think is hallucinating.

01:23:55
She sees them come in and they come flying at her, but when

01:24:04
Christie sees her, there's nothing there.

01:24:07
She's fighting an invisible foe .

01:24:11
When we saw Randall, we definitely saw the cicadas.

01:24:16
Reggie saw the cicadas, okay.

01:24:19
So that's visual evidence, right.

01:24:22
And then Julie same thing happens to her that happened to

01:24:27
Marielle.

01:24:27
She's fighting something that's not there, while the whole

01:24:32
family is watching her in distress.

01:24:35
not the whole family, but everyone at the house is

01:24:38
watching her in utter distress.

01:24:39
So we have two that are definitely the same, two that

01:24:46
are the same.

01:24:46
We have one definitely dead from the cicadas, and then we

01:24:53
have one.

01:24:54
we don't know if he's dead.

01:24:56
but together that's four And less.

01:25:03
well, we don't have an in less, because four minus three is one

01:25:08
.

01:25:08
I don't know.

01:25:12
Speaker 1: That's why I say I don't.

01:25:13
I don't know about the first one.

01:25:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we'll know until next week.

01:25:18
Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know either, but I just know

01:25:22
that it's going to be an exciting season finale and I'm

01:25:30
looking forward to it.

01:25:30
I guess those were your final thoughts, or do you have any

01:25:34
other final?

01:25:36
Speaker 3: thoughts.

01:25:36
That's yeah.

01:25:38
That's all I really had to say about that.

01:25:40
I mean, i don't a forest.

01:25:42
Yeah, i don't know.

01:25:44
Forest for the trees, i don't know.

01:25:48
I don't know what it really means, what that three means,

01:25:53
because it doesn't talk about, like triplets.

01:25:56
If they were talking about triplets, we think that they

01:25:59
were all the same, but they're not saying anything like that,

01:26:02
they're just saying three.

01:26:05
Speaker 1: All right, i want to switch gears for a second

01:26:09
because we are going to be doing a contest And I am so, so, so

01:26:16
excited.

01:26:16
This is going to be our second season contest And last year, if

01:26:22
you go on to our YouTube channel, our border is all of

01:26:25
the and we're going to post this in the show notes folks and in

01:26:29
the YouTube show notes.

01:26:30
But the bottom line is this we got a couple of pretty good

01:26:35
prizes And I know we've secured one of them.

01:26:41
We're going to try to secure the other one which I don't know

01:26:45
.

01:26:46
Speaker 3: All right, so let me just read the rules.

01:26:48
You read the rules and these will be posted in the show notes

01:26:53
.

01:26:53
You'll post this also on Instagram.

01:27:00
Speaker 1: I'll post them everywhere.

01:27:01
Speaker 3: I will post it on TikTok.

01:27:04
So Alex and Lizzie, that's us, that's us of the what is from

01:27:11
cast are running our second contest to celebrate the second

01:27:15
season of the MGM show from.

01:27:18
We're looking for talented crayon artists.

01:27:22
Don't read too deeply into that word talented.

01:27:25
Read and follow the rules below to qualify with a valid entry

01:27:30
to possibly win something like the following A crayon picture

01:27:35
by Scott McCord, A lunchbox or stuff we haven't found yet.

01:27:43
Speaker 1: Right Stuff we haven't found yet.

01:27:46
By the way, I've got I've got a deck of cards here I've got, oh

01:27:52
my.

01:27:53
Speaker 3: God, i have cough drop bravers.

01:27:56
Speaker 1: So no, no wait, I have some really cool stuff here

01:27:59
.

01:27:59
One of the there's this artist, karen Hamilton.

01:28:03
I'm sorry, helen, she's up in Boston.

01:28:06
She does a lot of mashups with strong women.

01:28:14
So we've got Dolly Parton pins, we've got all sorts of

01:28:19
different things.

01:28:20
We're going to throw all these things in here.

01:28:21
Who knows?

01:28:22
I thought we're not.

01:28:24
We're not, we're just going to try to keep it to from stuff.

01:28:26
Yeah, but, but the bottom line is So here.

01:28:33
Speaker 3: Well, let me finish with the rules.

01:28:35
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.

01:28:36
Speaker 3: OK, so the from crayon picture contest rules and

01:28:40
we will be sticking to this.

01:28:42
You want to draw a scene from the show, but it cannot be a

01:28:49
replica of one of the pictures already on the show.

01:28:52
It must be your original work.

01:28:56
It must include at least and I added this today Three

01:29:02
identifiable show things such as a building, a character, object

01:29:06
, whatever, something that we can relate to the show.

01:29:09
And I put that in there because of that one beautiful, like

01:29:14
unbelievably gorgeous drawing that we got that had nothing to

01:29:18
do with the show.

01:29:19
All right, so it must be done only in Crayola crayon.

01:29:24
Yeah, i'm not going to know.

01:29:25
Otherwise, like I don't, i would say if you want to use

01:29:30
Rose Art, go ahead, but you are not getting a quality crayon.

01:29:33
It's got to be Crayola crayon.

01:29:36
It must be done on an eight and a half by 11 inch piece of

01:29:41
paper.

01:29:41
Again, not going to know, but we're not looking for a poster,

01:29:47
we're not looking for poster size.

01:29:49
Ok, it can.

01:29:51
You can only submit one entry.

01:29:54
Now.

01:29:55
Your inspiration is your is childlike, right, we are not

01:30:02
looking for the end.

01:30:03
All be all, best artists in the world, you do not have to be

01:30:08
good at drawing.

01:30:08
You don't have to be good at coloring.

01:30:11
You don't have to be just draw a picture.

01:30:15
I mean we got some really great ones.

01:30:17
We got the best looking picture as far as like the best drawn

01:30:25
pictures, that necessarily going to win.

01:30:27
I can't remember who won last time, but I don't think it was.

01:30:31
The best drawn one Was it?

01:30:35
Speaker 1: No, we definitely had some.

01:30:36
Speaker 3: We had some good ones .

01:30:37
Yeah, I love it.

01:30:38
Speaker 1: And we have we actually have some a panel of

01:30:43
people look at this.

01:30:44
So it's not just us, we get, we get, we get some people that we

01:30:49
can't name judge Yeah, that judge will be judgey wedgie.

01:30:55
Speaker 3: All right, so, inspiration, watch the show like

01:30:59
.

01:30:59
Draw, express yourself, express your favorite scene.

01:31:05
You know, like, do something.

01:31:07
You don't have to be great.

01:31:11
Like I said, you don't have to be great at drawing or coloring,

01:31:14
and I cannot stress that enough .

01:31:15
Okay, so, to submit your entry, take a photo of your drawing

01:31:22
and send it to our email, which is from epicspodcast at gmailcom

01:31:27
.

01:31:27
We had no idea epics would become MGM, but we've already

01:31:32
got an established email, so now it's.

01:31:35
You know it's collectible.

01:31:36
Include your full name and email address in the body of the

01:31:41
email.

01:31:42
If you win and we can't get in touch with you, you don't win.

01:31:47
We will admire your drawing, but you will not win.

01:31:52
Include a brief description of the picture, the episode, the

01:31:57
scene, the characters.

01:31:59
Okay, so tell us where this is from.

01:32:01
And again, it's your rendition, your inspiration.

01:32:05
It's no later than 1159 Eastern Standard Time.

01:32:12
Alex and I are on the East coast of the United States, june

01:32:17
24th 2023.

01:32:20
So this is next Saturday.

01:32:25
Speaker 1: Got to have it on.

01:32:26
Speaker 3: Saturday.

01:32:26
You got a week to win.

01:32:29
You will be judged by a jury of our Alex and mine peers.

01:32:34
We don't know who the peers will be.

01:32:38
Speaker 1: All right Now, folks, we'd love to just hear what you

01:32:42
got, and that would be great.

01:32:46
Speaker 3: Oh, Alex, remember last time when we did this, we

01:32:49
had no idea who was actually going to judge.

01:32:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:32:52
We have judges We do have judges.

01:32:55
Speaker 3: We have judges like we had no connection.

01:32:57
When we did this last time, we hadn't even done any interviews.

01:33:01
We were just out there in the void, flapping in the wind.

01:33:05
It was just me and you.

01:33:08
Speaker 1: And the judges that judged last year.

01:33:10
You know who you are.

01:33:11
We're going to hopefully get you to help us.

01:33:14
We hope you come back.

01:33:15
But that said, I think we have time for some feedback.

01:33:21
Speaker 3: Oh my God, Now I have to go find the feedback.

01:33:24
Speaker 1: I can read some of it .

01:33:25
I'll try to read some.

01:33:26
Speaker 3: Well, i just have to pull it up on my phone.

01:33:27
I think I did have it up.

01:33:29
So the first one is from Alma and it's like, oh my God, what

01:33:34
an intense and scary episode.

01:33:36
I was on the edge the entire time wondering who was going to

01:33:39
die at any given moment.

01:33:41
I was very annoyed with Randall Oh my God, alma, get in line.

01:33:46
I've gone from being annoyed to just not liking him, although,

01:33:51
when we interviewed the actor, He was sweet.

01:33:56
I loved him So great, great job.

01:33:59
I kept saying can one of these monsters eat this fool already?

01:34:04
Maybe it's because they know he won't taste good.

01:34:09
Speaker 1: He's bitter.

01:34:11
Speaker 3: He's bitter and rotten.

01:34:11
I was bummed.

01:34:13
The cicadas did him in LOL.

01:34:19
And I have and have I mentioned how much I hate bugs?

01:34:21
Oh my God, i hate bugs too.

01:34:23
I hate them Eek between the buzzing and the sudden

01:34:27
appearance of the cicadas.

01:34:28
I'm just horrified.

01:34:30
I realized that a lot of folks are really digging the idea of a

01:34:35
mole being among them, but I am not convinced.

01:34:38
I'm convinced.

01:34:42
It really is hard to make any predictions or to have theories

01:34:47
with the show.

01:34:48
You know what?

01:34:49
It doesn't stop people from having them.

01:34:53
Oh my gosh, there's there, abundant.

01:34:55
I am completely dumbfounded.

01:34:58
We are at the end of season two with no added info than what we

01:35:02
have gotten in season one, except now we got more people

01:35:06
and more questions.

01:35:07
Man, this is a great show.

01:35:08
I mean, it's so weird with these puzzle shows.

01:35:14
Sometimes I feel like we have an answer to something, but I

01:35:18
never keep track of my questions and answers.

01:35:23
Speaker 1: I know it's hard.

01:35:23
We actually have to put that board together, that we keep

01:35:27
putting stuff onto.

01:35:29
Speaker 3: I wish we were in the same place.

01:35:31
I have this big wall because I podcast from my bedroom and I

01:35:36
have a big wall that if I just moved the furniture there's

01:35:39
really nothing on that wall.

01:35:41
That wall, the entire wall, could be that whole thing.

01:35:44
I could have this on a swivel and be like let me go over to

01:35:49
the board.

01:35:49
Anyway, karen Maderos Alma Contreras, i am so disappointed

01:35:56
that the cicadas got Randall.

01:35:58
I'm not convinced about the mole theory either.

01:36:02
However, now that Randall died but we don't know that he's died

01:36:07
and he was afraid there was a mole is that going to be a new

01:36:12
scary thing?

01:36:12
I do have a theory, by the way Her Sarah's theory of the fears

01:36:18
of the dead becoming reality, like the cicadas.

01:36:22
Speaker 1: There's one thing you missed on that After she said

01:36:24
I'm disappointed that the cicadas got Randall, she went ha

01:36:28
ha ha with laughing emojis.

01:36:31
Speaker 3: Oh, oh yeah, She's not that disappointed.

01:36:35
Yeah, all right, first Lisa Spur.

01:36:42
Speaker 4: I'm not convinced.

01:36:43
Randall is dead, at least not from the cicadas.

01:36:46
The other two people who were attacked by the cicadas were

01:36:49
apparently hallucinating them And even though they were being

01:36:53
suffocated, it didn't seem like it killed them And it was

01:36:57
completely different from the death at the beginning with the

01:36:59
broken woman.

01:37:01
Speaker 3: So the broken woman.

01:37:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the beginning.

01:37:05
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right.

01:37:06
So that's right, because Boyd says to Christie look, she's

01:37:12
still breathing.

01:37:14
Speaker 1: Right.

01:37:14
Speaker 3: You know, all right.

01:37:16
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to do the last one, because it's

01:37:19
my other person that I cheat on you with yellow jackets

01:37:25
aftershock Sydney, so Sydney, sydney, sydney says holy blank.

01:37:32
The RV scene was terrifying.

01:37:34
No way that Abby was a reflection of good Abby right,

01:37:43
it was just evil lurking for Boyd.

01:37:45
I'm disappointed that we didn't get more clues out of Elgin,

01:37:50
elgin Stream, from the bus driver and the nursery rhyme.

01:37:55
We need the next line of the poem.

01:37:58
You're right.

01:38:00
Speaker 3: Is there a next line?

01:38:01
Speaker 1: We don't know yet.

01:38:02
It didn't look like to me that the bile bullets were killing

01:38:07
the monsters.

01:38:08
I'm going to explain that And I forgot to explain this when we

01:38:11
were in that.

01:38:12
Do you guys think that the boss monster is trying to come

01:38:16
through the floor?

01:38:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the boss monster.

01:38:21
Speaker 1: Whoever the boss is, he's coming.

01:38:22
The boss is coming, tabatha.

01:38:24
Of course these children want you to help them.

01:38:27
You don't scream at children to not touch you, even if you're.

01:38:37
Speaker 3: Even if they're balding ghost children.

01:38:40
Speaker 1: Sorry, and that's from Sydney.

01:38:43
The reason why the whole bullet thing didn't work was the bile

01:38:49
was on the outside of the shell And I'm sorry, lisa, we did your

01:38:54
name wrong.

01:38:55
We did.

01:38:57
I'm sorry, and I know you don't talk like that.

01:39:01
No, lisa, in the chat here it's Spear.

01:39:07
It's Spear.

01:39:08
Did I get it right?

01:39:09
I hope.

01:39:13
Speaker 3: Is it spelled Spear right?

01:39:14
Is it pronounced Spear?

01:39:18
S-P-E-A-R Did you spell her name.

01:39:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I spelled her last name.

01:39:24
If I messed it up, I'm sorry.

01:39:29
That being said, the whole bullet thing.

01:39:33
He needed to put the bile in the bullet because the heat from

01:39:38
the gunshot would have probably evaporated anything that was on

01:39:42
it, because it's so much heat.

01:39:46
Speaker 3: And it didn't look like there was much going on

01:39:49
there anyway.

01:39:50
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all, not at all.

01:39:54
But that's what's going on.

01:39:57
And, lisa, thank you that it's OK.

01:40:01
Hopefully you can still talk to us after all this.

01:40:06
Ha ha, ha, no, but that said, i don't think we have anything

01:40:12
else, except for, if you want to , we've got new stuff.

01:40:17
We've got some merch, we've got t-shirts, we've got mugs We

01:40:21
just sold two mugs today We got fromily shirts, all sorts of

01:40:25
good stuff And so I have one more thought, though, and that I

01:40:32
meant to put in my note.

01:40:33
I'm sorry.

01:40:34
Speaker 3: No, it's all right.

01:40:35
So with the cicadas, I think we've wondered from time to time

01:40:40
where these monsters came from.

01:40:43
Right.

01:40:43
And they all seem to be from a very particular era.

01:40:47
So what I'm thinking is that maybe you know how cicadas come

01:40:57
once every so many years So maybe they come and they do this

01:41:04
, They kill people And then those people possibly become the

01:41:08
monster.

01:41:08
Speaker 1: What I think is, since they're from the 1950s,

01:41:11
you know what?

01:41:12
they're saying Get off my lawn.

01:41:13
No, it's 25, I thought Is it 17 or 25?

01:41:22
.

01:41:22
Speaker 3: I've heard 17.

01:41:23
17 sounds right.

01:41:24
Speaker 1: Okay, well, anyway.

01:41:26
Speaker 3: But it seems like they're always here.

01:41:28
Speaker 1: Exactly, folks, like I said, we have a whole bunch of

01:41:32
merch.

01:41:32
If you want to go to the What Is From Shop, it'll be in the

01:41:35
show notes.

01:41:35
If you also want to support the podcast, you can do it right on

01:41:39
Buzzsprout.

01:41:39
And next week we are going to be talking the season finale,

01:41:49
episode two.

01:41:50
I'm sorry.

01:41:51
season two, episode 10, once upon a time.

01:41:55
What are your thoughts?

01:41:59
Speaker 3: I don't want it to end.

01:42:00
Well that's the one thought I have.

01:42:07
I don't want it to end.

01:42:08
Yeah, i don't want the writer's strike to end so that they can

01:42:13
go into production for season three.

01:42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'm really kind of disappointed about it too,

01:42:21
but I'm not going to lie, it'll be great to have like a Sunday

01:42:27
to myself.

01:42:30
And that being said, folks, there might be a chance that

01:42:35
this might be recorded before 10 o'clock.

01:42:39
We are not going to go.

01:42:41
There might be a chance we're not going live next week just

01:42:45
because schedules and everything else, and if we do go live,

01:42:55
we'll definitely tell you.

01:42:56
If you want to get your feedback in, i promise I will do

01:42:59
a feedback post.

01:43:00
I'm very lame about that.

01:43:03
If you do have feedback, you can always send us a message on

01:43:06
our Instagram, on our Twitter or on our TikTok And we would love

01:43:13
to have your feedback, whether it's voicemail or whatever.

01:43:17
They have not confirmed season three, but that doesn't mean

01:43:22
that it's not going to happen.

01:43:24
They haven't publicly said that there's a season three.

01:43:28
I mean, we have some birdies that say there might be a season

01:43:31
three and we can't see that there isn't.

01:43:35
Speaker 3: Right, lizzie, there was an article about it.

01:43:39
Will there be a season three from June 17th?

01:43:43
I forgot what today's date is.

01:43:44
Is today the 17th?

01:43:47
Speaker 1: 18th 18th.

01:43:51
Speaker 3: Let's see What it says at the time of this writing

01:43:57
.

01:43:57
the MGM series from has not yet been renewed for season three.

01:44:02
Speaker 1: I think it's a writer strike issue right now.

01:44:04
I don't think they're renewing anything.

01:44:08
Speaker 3: That wouldn't hold it up, that wouldn't hold it up

01:44:12
Again.

01:44:12
Speaker 1: Just so you guys know , we got a couple of special

01:44:16
interviews coming up and they will not be released until after

01:44:20
the season is over.

01:44:21
We have an exclusive with Young Victor and we also have another

01:44:28
one with Big Victor, scott McCord, and we have another one

01:44:32
with our favorite Colony House mother, donna Liz Saunders,

01:44:39
which I am doing.

01:44:41
I am not doing so that Lizzie can braid hair with Liz and talk

01:44:47
about movie stars and eat pizza .

01:44:49
I get the pleasure of working with Scott and she gets the

01:44:56
pleasure of working with Donna Liz and we're really looking

01:45:01
forward to those.

01:45:02
If you guys have any questions or anything, just give us a

01:45:05
holler.

01:45:06
That's our show.

01:45:09
Are you doing Dead City?

01:45:15
I don't want to.

01:45:16
I said are you doing it?

01:45:19
Speaker 3: I don't know, i don't want to.

01:45:21
Speaker 1: Okay.

01:45:22
Speaker 3: After watching it today, I'm.

01:45:24
Speaker 1: I love Dead City and if you folks are into The

01:45:27
Walking Dead, ben and a cast of characters are going to be doing

01:45:32
that.

01:45:33
Speaker 3: You can always take my place if you want to.

01:45:35
Speaker 1: We'll see.

01:45:36
I just signed on to with Sydney and Kirk Manley.

01:45:43
we're going to be doing Loki in the fall and I'm really excited

01:45:48
about that.

01:45:48
There's a whole bunch of other stuff coming down the pike.

01:45:51
There's a lot of good TV coming up, even though the radio

01:45:55
strike has happened, and there's still some good TV that's

01:45:57
coming out because it's already in the can.

01:45:58
That's it, that's our show.

01:46:05
You got anything else?

01:46:08
kiddo Nope.

01:46:09
All right?

01:46:11
If that's it, guys, it's been a pleasure and we'll see you next

01:46:16
week.

01:46:16
Get you home, Let's go.

01:46:19
Come on, get in your house, let's go.

01:46:22
Come on you.