42. What is Fromcast - Season 2, Episode 10 "Once Upon a time" Season Finale

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Speaker 1: Hi there.

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Speaker 2: My name is Hannah Cheromey.

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This is the What is Fromcast podcast on the podcastica

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network.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to the show.

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My name is Alex and I'm Lizzie, and today we have finally done

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it.

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It seems like it's been forever that we started this little

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project, but we are finally on season two, episode 10,.

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Once upon a time and we had a jam-packed episode from front to

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end We laughed, we cried, it was better than cats I don't

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even know what to say.

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It's given us a lot of food for thought.

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It's answered some questions, it's also given us new questions

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And then it's also done all sorts of things.

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Lizzie, what are your first thoughts on this episode?

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Speaker 2: I will give you my last thought.

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What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty much a what the fuck?

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kind of moment.

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Speaker 2: I loved the entire episode and wow, wow, wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely had some.

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It definitely tied everything in.

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We still, like I said, have some questions, we have some new

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answers, we have some questions for some new answers as well,

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but the fact is that nobody tied .

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was very surprised about that.

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Speaker 2: I don't really think that there's a lot of plot armor

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, and maybe I'm wrong.

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Wait a minute, are you talking about just this episode?

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Speaker 1: No, I just meant in this episode.

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I thought somebody was going to die.

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Speaker 2: Tom died.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, i'm just saying I just nobody died

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usually.

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Somebody usually dies at the end of the season, or Yeah

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absolutely.

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Speaker 2: But I, I, we weren't even left in real.

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We were left in predicaments, but not like someone hanging on

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a cliff Where they're right finger left.

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Speaker 1: One person did die, but he doesn't count because he

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was a pain in the ass.

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We're not really going to talk about him.

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It's like Bruno.

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But that said, let's go to the happy part of the show.

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Yeah, because I think that there's a lot of heaviness to

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this, and there was a nice bow that was put on this last season

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And there was a nice bow that continued for this season, and

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it's the love between Fatima and Alice And we have ourselves a

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little wedding, and when I say little, he was little, it was

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little, and I loved Alice's proposal last season.

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Speaker 2: Like only a couple of days have actually happened

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that have passed since that proposal And I loved that

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proposal.

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And what I loved even more was this sweet little wedding.

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I loved that the window in their loft or whatever it is the

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attic was framed in flowers with the sunlight coming in.

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And if you remember back to the beginning, when Fatima is at

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the window with Julie and she's, you look out there and it's

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hard to believe that that can be so beautiful.

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This is so ugly And there they are at that window And it's like

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windows of possibilities.

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There is goodness in this world And I just love it.

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I've loved the whole thing, everything about it.

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What she said to him life is a journey through the unknown and

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through your eyes and mind may sometimes deceive you, but your

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heart will never lie And that's what her father one of the

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things her father used to say.

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And then Boyd is like there's light and dark places and that

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just triggers Boyd.

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But it was just she's dressed in this like velour or velvet,

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whatever that dress was, it probably wasn't hers.

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Speaker 1: It was, she was hot.

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She looked good, no, she didn't look good And she was hot.

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I'm married her.

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Damn girl.

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Yeah, you were killing it with that.

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Speaker 2: It was killing it.

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Speaker 1: She could stop some traffic with that outfit.

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Speaker 2: And Ellis was looking pretty good too.

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Speaker 1: They were looking like a very beautiful couple.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very beautiful, and basically their parents

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were there his father and then Donna, who has been there for

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Fatima, and I loved that it was a small little wedding.

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It was like if I ever got married, that's, that would be

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enough for me, that would be it.

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Speaker 1: That's definitely the way to go, and you know what

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They don't?

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they didn't go into Hawk for it , they got nothing, they got no

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money anyways to talk about a destination wedding.

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Is there definitely a destination type of wedding.

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That said, we start with where is everybody at?

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and we've got cicadas in the air, yeah, and we've got Boyd.

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That starts.

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It starts out with Boyd at the blue house, because Julie is in

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that trance.

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I love the fact how Boyd is talking to Kenny and Kenny wants

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to be involved And he's like and I love this because he

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basically told Kenny you know what?

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You quit, go away, go with the other people upstairs.

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I need to figure some shit out And you lost.

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What.

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Speaker 2: You just got this sense that Boyd was lost.

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Speaker 1: And he just needed to have a hot second to figure out

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what he needed to do, and the last thing he needed to do was

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deal with Kenny's little nonsense.

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And it's either you're in or you're out, and I really love

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that because this was a if and when Harold wins the Emmy, he's

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going to win the Emmy on this episode.

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I hate to say it, like it took the 10th episode.

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He said some great speeches and he said some great stuff, but

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this episode was really would put it over the top- I I to say

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that I loved this episode would just be saying like I don't know

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, it just isn't strong enough.

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Speaker 2: It's not strong enough for how I felt about it.

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Speaker 1: It was really a great season finale, yeah it did what

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it needed to do and move the story.

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Enough, it's a little.

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You're still thirsty for more and a little homerun reference,

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and you had some questions.

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Could they have done a couple of tweaks here and there?

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Yeah, probably, but at the same time I loved it.

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I loved it all, and every second, every second.

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Speaker 2: They that whole music box, cicada thing, cicada thing

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like they.

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that could have easily have been a thread to go into the

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next season And maybe it is but big question that didn't get

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answered.

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But they finished that.

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Speaker 1: It was an interesting thing because I maybe I missed

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it.

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I didn't miss it, but I didn't feel the sense of urgency that

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the characters were, that this was their last day, and I,

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because I just didn't feel it.

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I didn't feel it because you know what, i guess I wanted to

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season three so bad.

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I didn't even think about the fact that they were all going to

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die.

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And maybe because we're just gosh darn invested in this, I

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was just like.

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I'm like and I know I'm getting killed in the chat because two

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people actually did die Reggie and the poor bastard that was

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putting the guns away, the the red shirt from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't call him by name and I did exactly

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And I'm sorry.

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If you want detailed podcasting , we are not exactly the detail

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or like names, Like we're not always getting it, but I just I

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forgot what we were talking about.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is So this is their, their.

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Oh my God, sorry I scrambled.

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So boy gets out and he starts talking to Jade, and I love this

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little conversation because one thing that boy has done this

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whole episode was He was collecting information the whole

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time And Jade said something that was really interesting.

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He was Because, if you notice, jade had was like clean cut and

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by the end of this season he was like bushy.

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Speaker 2: Very bushy, very.

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David Alcott Al pay is on Instagram right now.

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Speaker 1: Is he?

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Ah guys, we're going to cancel this because we're going to

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watch them now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, please No.

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So he's talking about it And I love how he says she should be

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looking for a prom dress, not lying there, But the thing that

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he said that was really important was we don't have two

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pieces to connect.

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Yeah, we're on the edges.

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Speaker 2: And who's been calling this the puzzle show.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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I think it was my podcast partner.

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Speaker 2: I love that he said that.

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Speaker 1: It validates the fact that it's a puzzle We actually

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do know what you're talking about.

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90% of the time.

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It's just that 10% that just sucks.

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Speaker 2: You're being very generous, you're so wait, folks.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell this story because it's too ironic.

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So Lizzie happened to be working today and she was almost

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have to find another podcast partner for today.

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I was either going to do it alone or I was going to have to

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get somebody to pinch in.

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And she sends me these pictures and I didn't look at it.

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Did you see the picture?

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Literally, she had a storm coming home and there was a tree

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across the road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'm going to post it on Facebook, but not

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Facebook Instagram.

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What was even funny is that there was like it was just me on

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that road And then I just as I stopped.

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I wasn't stopped.

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I was like is this tree actually there?

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So I'm like I have to take a picture.

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So I'm taking a picture and then a car starts coming the

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opposite direction And I'm like, oh my God, it's Jade and Toby,

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it's Jade and Toby.

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Two cars are coming today.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, poor Toby, that bastard.

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Anyway, as Boyd is collecting this information today, his

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first piece was with Jade.

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Okay, then he realizes that he needs to go see Sarah, and I

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love how they keep breaking it up.

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And I'm going to jump around a little tonight because we're not

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as organized as we normally are , because we both had to work.

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It's my fault, we both had to work and it was just Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I knew I had to work today and I knew I had a

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short day yesterday.

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So I we have the screeners and, honest to God, what we have

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done all season.

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We have had all the episodes.

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We could have zipped ahead and known for weeks what happened in

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the finale, but Alex and I did not do that.

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Speaker 1: Except for one time somebody did, but we're not

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going to remember that.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that was only like the day before the podcast.

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I didn't go like far ahead.

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Speaker 1: No, you didn't go far ahead.

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Speaker 2: And I regretted it And you should have.

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Yeah, you helped me regret it, but at any rate, we didn't watch

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the next episode until after we podcasted And we were on a mega

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diet.

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Speaker 1: We have really big willpower And so had more

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willpower in the rest of my life .

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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I know, so I'm at work.

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yesterday I tried to watch the show because what I do is I

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watch it once right after we podcast.

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So do I?

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Speaker 1: later in the week.

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Speaker 2: I usually on Sundays, i will watch the episode again,

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and then the third time through , that's when I take my notes,

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and so I could not God everyone's on there.

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I could not watch it yesterday, i could not get access to the

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episodes.

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So I'm at work and I'm like my kid has one scene, i'll be home

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early.

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And no, no, i did not get home until just after eight o'clock

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and I'm sitting there.

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What was it?

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nine might have been closer than nine, and I'm sitting there

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and I'm like, all right, i'm going to watch this episode, i'm

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going to get the notes done.

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And the thing about it is my notes are consistent for colors.

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This time it's all red.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's get back to what we're here for.

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Yeah, because we have the Corpse Collection Committee for

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Randall and I love that.

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I love this scene for so many reasons.

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It's got our two favorite people.

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It's got Liz and her husband, Cliff slash Dale, And for me,

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for Elgin is just like what the fuck.

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Speaker 2: At least Donna likes Elgin.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: At least there's that .

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That's good.

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But no one likes Randall and they're wondering why they're

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out there looking.

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and Donna's like I wouldn't leave you out here.

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She says to Dale, i wouldn't leave you out here, i'd come out

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and get you At least as much of a jerk that Randall is.

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she doesn't want to see him get torn apart.

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Speaker 1: I think Randall is a little misguided and he's also a

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little misunderstood in a way.

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Looking at the whole piece, the guy's freaking out.

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Yeah, he's freaking out because of this whole situation.

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He had a little moment of crazy since he got there and he's

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just a human, just like anybody else.

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He's a jerk, he's a total jerk.

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He's a total jerk, but he still doesn't need to be left on the

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side of the road.

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Speaker 2: No, I would have gone out to get him.

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Even if I didn't want to, I would have gone out to get him.

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Speaker 1: And they found out real quick that he's not dead.

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But he's not dead.

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Speaker 2: You know what Someone this week somewhere said that

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Paula might have still been alive.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how she could have been, but they said

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they saw it and I never had time to go back and look.

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But the thing about it is that now we know They talked about

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her.

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Speaker 1: They talked about burying her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but maybe she died later.

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I don't know.

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I never went back to look So I don't know.

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But it was very clear by the end of the episode that the

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three were Randall, julie and Mariel, that maybe Paula was.

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Speaker 1: See, and that's the one thing that I got an issue

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with, just with the storyline is Was that foreshadowing?

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What was that Like?

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what was Paula's death in terms of the bigger story?

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Because it sounded like it would be.

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She should have been one of the three, but clearly she wasn't,

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because she wasn't chained up and she was dead.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was to just make you wonder Well, yeah, just

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settle that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you right now I know we've talked

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about this before After talking to my wife.

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She's a big loss fan and she told me it's a lot.

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It has a lot of patterns, obviously, with the writer and

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director, something.

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I think there's more red herrings than not, and I'm not.

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It's not a debate in terms of what's a red herring and what

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isn't, i'm just saying I think that certain things are just

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there, like we never talked about the dates because they

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were never brought up, remember we did talk about.

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The point being is.

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My point being is it's a separate storyline.

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That isn't really.

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It's relevant, but we're not sure where it all fits just yet.

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There's people out there that are have some conspiracy theory

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Yes, type theories and that's fine And that's wonderful, i'm

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all for that.

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But my point being is, right now those dates are not in play

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in the larger picture right now, yeah, i don't think in the

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story that we had, which is season two.

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That's my point And the last time we saw them was one right

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and we saw the bottles and there's a lot of stuff that's

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there.

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I'm not saying that it's not important, folks.

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By no means am I saying it's not important.

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I'm just saying that there's a lot of stuff that can happen.

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Speaker 2: Hold on a second.

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Help me remember.

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Now we know that when Boyd and Sarah were out in the woods,

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didn't they see the bottle tree?

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They saw the bottle tree right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they saw the bottle tree first.

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That's where we first saw the bottle tree.

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Speaker 2: No, wait a minute.

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When Jade and Jim were out at that tree trying to put the

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antenna up higher, weren't their bottles hanging from the tree?

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I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember, i don't remember.

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Speaker 2: It might have been dead bodies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was.

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I think it was dead bodies.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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So you got the body tree and the bottle tree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got the body tree and we got the.

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Yeah, we've got different trees going on here, but my point

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being, yeah, it's different trees, but again it just comes

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down to they may come back into play some of this stuff, but

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right now they're not.

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And yeah, it was bodies.

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Yeah, i remember it was bodies.

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The point being is we had a couple of different things going

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on, a couple of different red herrings.

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Whether you believe in the Karamanakal or you believe in

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the mole, or you believe in either of it or you believe in

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both of it, i'm not here to judge.

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I'm just saying that there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on.

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There's definitely a lot going on, and I think that this is

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long haul stuff.

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You've got to be able to play the long game.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a long game type of thing, yeah,

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so then he goes out with Sarah, right Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And Kenny.

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Speaker 1: And Kenny, and the one thing that he said was he

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says to Sarah this is how you can make things right by doing

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this, and I think that was really cool that she's trying to

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get this redemption tour, whether people want her to or

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not.

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I totally understand that.

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She tells Boyd right before when they're talking at the

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police station do you want me to bury Paul's body?

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And you look at his face and he's like, oh shoot, i

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completely forgot about her.

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I forgot something.

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Speaker 2: And Sarah wants some redemption too.

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I think, I think she is a good person.

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Speaker 1: I think that she's realized that she's not going to

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die And no matter how much she's trying, she's not dying.

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Yeah, She wants to be part of this And I think after her talk

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with Kenny in the police station , she's got a little bit more of

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a better attitude in herself.

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I'm saying In herself.

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Speaker 2: It was like a cleansing or something like that

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.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whatever you want to call it, but it was

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something.

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But what I find really interesting is that Sarah

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actually heard the music box and she was the only one that heard

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it.

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Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So she's still connected somehow to the powers

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that be.

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Speaker 1: The powers that be exactly.

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Speaker 2: And she's saying and she, just she had some really

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crazy things to say.

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They can.

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She can hear them screaming.

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Then her nose starts bleeding and she's got her hands over her

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ears because something is so loud it hurts.

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She starts reciting the poem and she's laughing.

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She says they are laughing at Boyd.

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Speaker 1: And did you notice the little stranger thing going

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on when she started getting the bloody nose?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to put those memories out of my mind.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to use you, but I'm just saying she

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started getting that bloody nose .

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She started getting physically ill from it.

00:24:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, it was too strong, like it was in

00:24:59
her head Right And that was the physical reaction.

00:25:06
But she, she says that Randall, mary, ellen, julie, julie are

00:25:15
dying And and that it's once they die it's too late And she's

00:25:25
got to do something.

00:25:26
She, they've got to make the music stop.

00:25:28
And he can't see the music box.

00:25:34
But she can hear it, but no one else can hear it.

00:25:38
Which?

00:25:39
is strange, because all along they've all been hearing it.

00:25:43
Speaker 1: And the funny part is Boyd has been the one that's

00:25:44
been hearing it the most.

00:25:45
She says it's laughing at you for bringing it to town, yeah,

00:25:51
which I find really interesting.

00:25:54
And I also find it interesting now She's the one that's saying

00:25:59
that the music has to.

00:26:00
You have to make the music stop .

00:26:01
So, yeah, i think that they've done a really good job of tying

00:26:08
it back to that first episode.

00:26:10
Yeah, that way, yeah, so, that said, we're at a point now where

00:26:19
we're going to go back to colony house because Donna's got

00:26:25
to get everybody calm down.

00:26:28
We're doing all this kind of stuff, and what I find

00:26:31
interesting is the first thing she sees is Tilly given the

00:26:36
prayer circle.

00:26:37
Yeah, now, i know there's about 15 different theories on

00:26:44
Tilly.

00:26:45
Yeah, Is it Victor's mother?

00:26:48
Is it Victor's sister?

00:26:49
Is it Victor's this?

00:26:50
Is she a spy?

00:26:53
Is she this?

00:26:53
Is she that She could just be a nosy old lady?

00:26:58
Speaker 2: If it was his mother, I think he would have known.

00:27:02
Speaker 1: Or she would have known.

00:27:05
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, they haven't even seen each other,

00:27:06
though.

00:27:08
Speaker 1: I don't know Yeah.

00:27:09
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:27:10
Like her, being his mother, i realize it's not going to be the

00:27:16
same actress, or it could be the same actress, but she just

00:27:20
doesn't look like it.

00:27:20
Speaker 1: It is not.

00:27:21
I know for a fact it's not.

00:27:22
It's two different actresses, No.

00:27:24
Speaker 2: I know they're two different actresses, but it's

00:27:28
just.

00:27:28
there's nothing about her that's reminiscent of Victor's

00:27:34
mom.

00:27:36
Speaker 1: Except for the fact I'm sorry, no, i was going to

00:27:39
say except for the fact that maybe he's 47.

00:27:41
Ha, ha, ha, i'm joking.

00:27:44
Speaker 2: Oh God, yeah, That would be something, but it would

00:27:47
be interesting that she also ended up back there on the same

00:27:53
bus with Mary L.

00:27:54
So if anything, i was like maybe it's his sister.

00:28:00
Speaker 1: I don't know.

00:28:01
Speaker 2: But the age just doesn't seem right.

00:28:03
So why don't we follow Jade all the way through his threat.

00:28:10
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

00:28:10
You want to go to Jade, okay.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's follow him through his threat.

00:28:15
We see him on the porch and he seems pretty bummed out at the

00:28:18
beginning And he's talking to Boyd and he's saying there's got

00:28:24
to, we've got to have two pieces that connect in order to

00:28:27
solve this jigsaw puzzle.

00:28:29
And I was like, yes, the writers hurt me as a puzzle show

00:28:34
, so I was pretty happy about that, but he's afraid to go,

00:28:40
even if it makes a difference.

00:28:42
Oh, wait a minute.

00:28:43
So he's in the bar, like afterwards.

00:28:46
He's in the bar, he's breaking up all this glass and he's

00:28:49
trying to find a pattern.

00:28:51
He's trying to find two pieces that fit together in all that

00:28:56
chaos.

00:28:57
For whatever reason, he keeps going back to the glass, and

00:29:03
What I'm thinking is that glass tends to be see-through.

00:29:07
Right, he's looking at a solution, but he doesn't want to

00:29:12
see it.

00:29:13
And that's what Tom is telling him.

00:29:15
He's saying you already know what you need to do.

00:29:20
Instead, you're wasting all this time overthinking it.

00:29:24
And he knows.

00:29:27
He tells Jade, you have to go down into those tunnels, but

00:29:34
you're afraid to go down into those tunnels and you can't

00:29:37
blame him.

00:29:42
Tom brings up some of the things that Tom talks about.

00:29:46
It's not Tom, we didn't even know Tom that well, but it's

00:29:52
more sounds like Jade than it sounds like Tom.

00:29:56
Like natural design, nature puts what's most precious in

00:30:02
spots that are difficult to reach, so trying to protect

00:30:06
something that needs to stay viable, why would?

00:30:12
if this symbol is so important, why would it be in some place

00:30:18
that's easy to get to?

00:30:20
Because even when Jade's seeing it, it's not tangible, it's not

00:30:25
like he can pick it up and move it and possess it.

00:30:28
It is, it's always a vision and it's followed by, or it comes

00:30:36
with, someone that's not alive or something like that,

00:30:39
something bizarre.

00:30:40
And Jade's thought process presents itself, because it

00:30:46
knows that Jade is avoiding what he knows and he's doing it out

00:30:52
of fear.

00:30:53
This is the first time we really see Jade being scared

00:30:59
Like.

00:30:59
When he shows up, he's like that's the world's best escape

00:31:04
room, and then he has.

00:31:06
Are you all right?

00:31:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, my phone just fell.

00:31:09
Oh, okay, just scared the crap out of me, smiley decided to

00:31:15
stop by, or something.

00:31:16
Speaker 2: Yeah scared me And he knows I don't know like the

00:31:25
more he doesn't know the more he gets in.

00:31:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love how, when he's at the bar, tom shows

00:31:34
up and he just doesn't even recognize that.

00:31:37
he's like you're dead right.

00:31:39
He's like, yeah, are you gonna ask me why I'm here?

00:31:42
Yeah, you're just probably part of my psychosis, and that moves

00:31:45
on.

00:31:46
Yeah, jade makes a very good point about the caves, though.

00:31:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:31:53
Speaker 1: That's a scary thought to go in those caves.

00:31:56
Speaker 2: Well, yeah.

00:31:58
Speaker 1: And the other thing about the caves, since we've

00:32:00
been talking about them, because a couple of things happen there

00:32:03
.

00:32:03
One is he sees the dummy.

00:32:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.

00:32:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:32:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the thing is that Tom, the Tom

00:32:19
version of Jade's brain, is saying nothing about this place

00:32:23
is natural, because what Jade is counting on is that it's almost

00:32:29
like in the real world.

00:32:30
he's got everything figured out Because everything is very

00:32:34
patterned.

00:32:35
A always goes to be, always goes to see, but in this place

00:32:41
it doesn't actually do that.

00:32:42
You put an antenna high up in the sky, you're going to be able

00:32:46
to get a signal, right.

00:32:48
So the thing is nothing about this place is familiar.

00:32:54
It's telling Jade he has to go back into almost like his genius

00:32:59
spot and open himself up and look at this problem anew.

00:33:06
Like his entire life of problem solving and coming up with

00:33:11
these brilliant ideas, it's all been things that have stacked on

00:33:15
and on with things that he could easily solve.

00:33:18
This is really a real problem.

00:33:22
It's a real puzzle for him.

00:33:24
Like I looked it up but I didn't see anything about the

00:33:29
trolley problem, but I did see something about determinism.

00:33:32
So he ends up at the tunnels.

00:33:37
everything's a system, everything's connected and he

00:33:44
goes into the tunnel and he doesn't get stupid going into

00:33:49
the tunnel because he goes in with a string.

00:33:51
So he's got his trail of breadcrumbs to get back out And

00:33:55
his bike.

00:33:57
Yeah, he rides up on the bike and he sees the thing.

00:34:02
that kind of terrifies him.

00:34:04
He sees the dummy And you know the dummy was at the beginning

00:34:09
of the season and it didn't make a lot of sense.

00:34:11
But if you think about it, what did he see?

00:34:14
He saw the symbol and he saw the dummy together.

00:34:17
And here he is.

00:34:19
he's looking for the symbol.

00:34:20
There's the dummy, okay.

00:34:24
Speaker 5: I don't know what to say because I don't know what

00:34:28
the hell it all means.

00:34:30
Speaker 1: So I mean I know, but no, but what was interesting

00:34:34
about that was that cave scene was there was no monsters.

00:34:37
Where the hell are they?

00:34:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also remember , you remember Victor kept

00:34:43
saying to Tavisa you got to be quiet, you're going to wake him

00:34:46
up, you're going to wake him up.

00:34:47
He did not go in there quietly, he was just like Bowlin China

00:34:52
shops smash bang, but they're making the noise.

00:34:56
I thought it was me for a second.

00:35:00
Speaker 1: And like the cages were empty.

00:35:01
They had two cages that were empty, and then he's looking.

00:35:05
Speaker 2: Talking about where the kids were.

00:35:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, where the kids?

00:35:08
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they were empty.

00:35:11
Speaker 1: Oh wait, i just want to post this because Lisa said

00:35:13
something Okay there's along with what we're doing about the

00:35:17
trolley problem.

00:35:18
Speaker 2: It's a series of experiments in ethical

00:35:23
psychology, involving stylized ethical dilemmas of whether to

00:35:28
sacrifice one person to save a larger number.

00:35:31
It reminded me, like the trolley the trolley problem when

00:35:39
he said that.

00:35:40
it reminded me of that boat problem where you have to get

00:35:46
all the natives from one side of the lake to the other side but

00:35:52
you have to have three people in the boat all the time, or

00:35:56
something like that, something weird, And I hated that kind of

00:35:59
problem.

00:35:59
I hated it.

00:35:59
I was like I know there's a solution to this, but I feel too

00:36:04
stupid to solve it.

00:36:06
Speaker 1: Now, now just to go down this rabbit hole a little

00:36:11
bit.

00:36:11
So Jade's in there and all of a sudden he hears the Akkuli,

00:36:14
akkuli and the sound in the world, and next thing you know,

00:36:22
he sees seven bodies.

00:36:24
And if you look up and again, this is a big stretch, so just

00:36:30
hear me out It shows the symbol, right?

00:36:35
Speaker 2: But wait a minute, back it up, Remember before,

00:36:39
before he I think it's before he sees the kids he flashes on the

00:36:44
ceiling and there's nothing there And then he starts hearing

00:36:48
Akkuli, Akkuli.

00:36:49
Speaker 3: Okay.

00:36:51
Speaker 2: And then he looks up and there's the symbol in like

00:36:55
roots.

00:36:56
Speaker 1: When you look at the symbol, you can notice a couple

00:36:59
of things.

00:36:59
What?

00:37:00
do we know One is one is it's four branches.

00:37:06
Again, you can go on a deep dive with this.

00:37:10
You can also go on a deep dive that the symbol looked like.

00:37:14
It said 47.

00:37:15
The way it was kind of tradition, and if it was a four

00:37:20
then you got the seven.

00:37:21
Kids still don't know what that means.

00:37:24
It just keeps coming up.

00:37:27
Speaker 2: Oh, i meant to look up 11 this week And I just did

00:37:31
not have a chance Like I had.

00:37:34
I don't want to say I had to go back to work, but I enjoy going

00:37:39
to work, so I was happy to go back to work, but I haven't had

00:37:43
a moment to breathe.

00:37:44
Speaker 1: But, like I said, there's a lot of deep dives you

00:37:47
can do with that, yeah, and then what's interesting about Jade's

00:37:50
stories?

00:37:51
it just stops.

00:37:52
So right now he is in the cave and, yeah, they're going to

00:37:58
probably pick him up with.

00:38:03
Speaker 2: Did you see?

00:38:04
because like he sees that and then he looks down and the kids

00:38:09
are gone, because it's like there's seven kids surrounding

00:38:13
him on deuses, and then when he looks up again, the roof is

00:38:20
closed.

00:38:21
Yeah, it's closed And it looks like it did the first time he

00:38:24
looked.

00:38:24
And then we see him and there was something on the ground, but

00:38:29
I don't know what it was.

00:38:30
Like it was this orange thing.

00:38:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, was it a ball?

00:38:34
Did you guys pick that up?

00:38:35
I know the carbonacle probably did Like the room was empty And

00:38:39
then there was that orange thing that was on the ground and it

00:38:43
could have been the rope.

00:38:43
It could have been the rope.

00:38:44
Now you think about it.

00:38:46
Speaker 2: Oh, it was.

00:38:47
He put it down because it was like his was a ball, so that

00:38:51
must have been what it was Yeah, You know what Oh?

00:38:53
Speaker 1: thanks so much for stopping by there So many shows.

00:38:57
There's another podcast that does stuff.

00:39:00
Oh, they're here Yeah they're here Oh.

00:39:03
Tracy, Hi, Hi Tracy Yeah it was the string And you know what.

00:39:09
Now that, as I'm saying it, it makes more sense.

00:39:12
But at the time I was like what is that orange thing?

00:39:14
Yeah, but exactly.

00:39:17
But that said, like I said, we've got the dolls, we've got

00:39:21
seven kids, we've got the symbol , we've got uncouly, it's like,

00:39:25
it's like something from a really bad joke.

00:39:27
Yeah, they all walk into a bar.

00:39:30
And another question that maybe the listeners have why were

00:39:38
they in that circle?

00:39:39
There's just a whole bunch.

00:39:41
I can't see all the comments.

00:39:44
The reason why, lisa, is we're on a couple of different

00:39:47
platforms.

00:39:47
We're on Facebook for personal as well as we're on Facebook for

00:39:55
PICASTICA, and then we're on our YouTube feed for us and then

00:39:59
the YouTube feed for PICASTICA.

00:40:01
So, depending on where you're at, where you're watching this,

00:40:06
you might not get all the feeds.

00:40:08
I'm sorry, lisa, it's just one of the quirks of live streaming,

00:40:14
but we will just answer this question.

00:40:18
No, she just said.

00:40:18
she just said she can't see all the comments and that she's a

00:40:23
newbie.

00:40:23
So I'm like, oh and Lisa, i'm a newbie too.

00:40:26
It's like the first time I've done this, so I don't know what

00:40:29
I'm doing either.

00:40:30
The comments So until you put them up.

00:40:35
Here's a question I do want to actually throw this out to you.

00:40:39
I know, i know I don't want to put a wrench into what your your

00:40:42
your thought process, but what was the purpose of the title

00:40:48
once upon a time, you think?

00:40:50
Speaker 2: Oh, was that the name of the episode?

00:40:54
Speaker 1: That was the name of the title once upon a time.

00:40:56
Speaker 2: For some reason, I thought it was referring to the

00:41:01
show once upon a time.

00:41:02
So once upon a time in this faraway land, that's what I

00:41:11
think.

00:41:12
Once upon a time in a faraway land there was because wait a

00:41:18
minute, isn't that how a quest starts?

00:41:19
once upon a time in a faraway land, There was someone that was

00:41:25
trying to get home because Wizard of Oz.

00:41:29
She's no I guess?

00:41:33
Speaker 1: I guess they're trying to play on the last part

00:41:35
of the episode which we're going to talk about, when Tabitha

00:41:40
potentially gets back to reality .

00:41:43
What the fuck?

00:41:44
We're still not going to talk about that yet.

00:41:47
Speaker 2: But yeah, that and it could be right It could.

00:41:52
Speaker 1: Cine also says it could be a tie into the other

00:41:55
show once upon a time which he was a part of.

00:41:58
You know who.

00:42:03
Speaker 2: David Alpay.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: No, ian, ian.

00:42:07
Speaker 2: Oh, ian, yeah, Okay.

00:42:09
Speaker 1: Ian was part of that But and there's a lot of the

00:42:12
same people that are commingling and whatever else.

00:42:15
But that said, I do want to get back to Boyd and his quest a

00:42:23
little bit.

00:42:24
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Boyd.

00:42:26
Speaker 1: And I think After he sees Sarah and Kenny he has to

00:42:33
have a heart to heart with himself and he only loves doing

00:42:36
that at the church.

00:42:39
Speaker 2: And because you think that you have someone to bounce

00:42:43
your ideas off of.

00:42:45
Speaker 1: I'm going to say right now and I'd love to hear

00:42:47
the people that are hear thoughts If he wins the Emmy,

00:42:53
it's because of the speech It was.

00:42:57
He was fighting with God.

00:43:01
Speaker 2: And I always love a good fight with God.

00:43:05
Speaker 1: I mean he was absolutely going at it and he

00:43:14
was trying to make sense of this And he was cursing, he was

00:43:19
doing this, he was doing that.

00:43:20
But you know what the best part of all was when Donna came in

00:43:24
and said hit that mailbox over could be a federal offense.

00:43:29
And I think it's a great way of breaking up the mood of the

00:43:36
scene, because he implores God to answer him.

00:43:40
Speaker 2: He's saying answer me .

00:43:41
And she does.

00:43:43
And that's when Donna comes in And he has kicked over the

00:43:49
mailbox and I don't know, do you dive deep on that And you go to

00:43:58
the mailman's creed that nothing stops the mail from

00:44:02
getting through, or do you look at it tampering with a mailbox

00:44:08
as a federal crime, that he's talking to God and he's begging

00:44:14
for an answer?

00:44:15
Is the problem not of men?

00:44:20
I don't know, like there has to be some symbolism and knocking

00:44:29
over that mailbox?

00:44:30
I just wish I had more time to think about that.

00:44:34
Speaker 1: Or it could have just been that he was.

00:44:35
It was just a good line that Donna could say for her.

00:44:41
Speaker 2: But Donna is God's answer.

00:44:44
Speaker 1: Donna is always God's answer.

00:44:47
Speaker 2: Because he's begging God for an answer.

00:44:50
Speaker 1: Lisa, thank you.

00:44:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:44:53
Speaker 1: It's just comic relief, that's it.

00:44:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's begging God for an answer.

00:44:57
So he sends in Donna, faith, hope and love.

00:45:03
Speaker 1: So Oh, here's a good one.

00:45:08
I like that Messages come through the mailbox.

00:45:11
Speaker 2: It's greasy for you.

00:45:12
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you right now you might get a

00:45:14
message.

00:45:15
It doesn't mean you have to like the message, no, but I

00:45:19
think that.

00:45:19
And what is Donna's message?

00:45:22
Donna's message is this Why don't you just take a break from

00:45:28
the end of the world, go see your son and your future

00:45:34
daughter-in-law get married, have some fun for a couple of

00:45:37
seconds and then deal with the end of the world afterwards.

00:45:41
So basically, the answer was get your house in order before

00:45:46
the end of the world.

00:45:50
Speaker 2: There was more, though, because he's saying that

00:45:54
there's got to be rules to this , and I think that is the same

00:45:59
thing that Jade was fighting with.

00:46:03
But there's a natural order to things that if you do, this will

00:46:08
happen.

00:46:09
It's always going to be that same result What to expect?

00:46:12
And Boyd is always about not always about following rules but

00:46:18
they are looking for established patterns Like.

00:46:23
Established patterns are more a part of nature than random

00:46:28
things, but she reminds him that even though you brought all of

00:46:36
this back to town, you still gave people more time by putting

00:46:45
it in smiley.

00:46:46
It all could have been over then, but he put it in smiley

00:46:51
and figured out a way to possibly kill those things.

00:46:54
He goes to the wedding.

00:46:58
We shed some tears of happiness , and then he barely shakes

00:47:04
their hands and congratulates them and he's like I'm off.

00:47:11
Speaker 1: I believe it's because he had, because Ellis

00:47:14
had said something in his speech about light and dark, and

00:47:21
that's where he got the idea for getting the torch to go back to

00:47:26
.

00:47:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, It gave him that idea.

00:47:29
Yeah, Because he came out of that cavern or wherever he was

00:47:34
light in the dark places, wherever he was with Martin, he

00:47:39
came out of there with that torch.

00:47:41
So he went back to the tractor trailer and got the torch and he

00:47:47
comes upon Reggie And and again , I'm still not recognizing the

00:47:55
fact that he died because he's such an ass.

00:47:58
I never liked him.

00:48:02
Speaker 1: And I never liked him .

00:48:03
I am or Paula, I am putting this segment.

00:48:08
Reggie's got a gun like the Aerosmith.

00:48:10
Speaker 2: Reggie's got a gun.

00:48:13
Speaker 1: So it would feel better that you're from Mass.

00:48:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

00:48:18
Speaker 1: So Reggie decides, after he slips the throat of the

00:48:21
guy, that we can't remember his name because he's a red shirt

00:48:25
And he's actually been in a couple of episodes holding the

00:48:27
gun.

00:48:29
Speaker 2: Oh, he's been in the entire season.

00:48:31
Speaker 1: Exactly, and I feel awful that we can't, and we'll

00:48:34
have to try to get him on the podcast, just so we can remember

00:48:36
his name.

00:48:38
Speaker 2: Donna.

00:48:38
But the thing that makes me mad is Donna said his name.

00:48:41
Speaker 1: Donna says his name and we both are just awful.

00:48:43
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry.

00:48:45
Speaker 1: And, that being said, he slits his wrist, slits his

00:48:49
neck, puts him down and then, oh , mattis, thank you.

00:48:57
Speaker 2: Mattis.

00:48:57
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, i'm saying Mattis gets his throat

00:49:00
slit and whatever.

00:49:01
And now Reggie is like out for blood because he thinks that

00:49:04
Boyd is the reason why this is all happening.

00:49:08
Because, exactly because Boyd brought all that back and you

00:49:12
know, the guy's been here for like two seconds.

00:49:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows everything.

00:49:16
But you know what I?

00:49:18
he shows up, he ends up shooting Boyd.

00:49:22
He gets pissed.

00:49:23
He's more pissed than anything else because he messes up his

00:49:28
arm and he's pissed.

00:49:30
Yeah.

00:49:31
And he says I'm sorry, i always liked you.

00:49:34
Reggie says it And the thing was the powers that be.

00:49:41
The puppet master knows Boyd is going to rise to the occasion,

00:49:48
so he has to throw in, or the puppet master has to throw in

00:49:54
obstacles.

00:49:54
Reggie wasn't acting on his own volition.

00:50:00
I'm sorry, i always liked you.

00:50:04
He doesn't even know Boyd.

00:50:07
He's been there two days.

00:50:09
They haven't sat down and had a couple of potato vodkas

00:50:14
together.

00:50:16
Speaker 1: They should have had a D okay.

00:50:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly Yeah.

00:50:20
And so it was like he was being forced to kill Boyd in order to

00:50:27
stop him from going Like.

00:50:31
The puppet master wants everyone to die almost, or he

00:50:35
just wants to, like, stack the odds so far away from not in

00:50:42
Boyd's favor, but he manages to make it like he ends up shooting

00:50:48
Reggie twice.

00:50:49
Notice how Boyd didn't say I always liked you.

00:50:54
Speaker 1: I don't even know you .

00:50:57
Speaker 2: And that's why it just makes me think.

00:50:59
like the puppet master, i always liked you, i liked

00:51:05
watching you.

00:51:06
You come in, you start finding stuff, you get the people

00:51:11
organized, you give them a sense of hope and meaning and you

00:51:17
establish the rules in this town .

00:51:20
Now you're coming for me and I don't like it.

00:51:24
Speaker 1: Now I want to go fast , i want to fast forward.

00:51:26
So he finally gets into the basement, or whatever we want to

00:51:29
call this, the catacombs, and going along that same lines, he

00:51:36
sees everybody, and then Abby shows up again.

00:51:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:51:40
Speaker 1: And I love how Boyd justifies everything.

00:51:45
He's wait a second.

00:51:47
This entity came all the way down, brought you back just so

00:51:51
you can talk to me, and she says something that's really

00:51:58
interesting.

00:51:58
It feeds off of your desire of will Yeah, not your fear.

00:52:07
And usually most monsters are all about the fear.

00:52:11
Yeah, i don't think Abby's the way Sydney's saying Abby's the

00:52:18
worst.

00:52:18
I don't think it's really Abby, i think it's.

00:52:21
Whatever this monster is creating, it's manifesting.

00:52:24
Yeah, it's manifesting.

00:52:27
Speaker 2: But Abby talks, the more she starts not sounding

00:52:31
like Abby.

00:52:32
It's not like we got to know her very well, but there's

00:52:38
nuances in the way she is speaking, the words that she's

00:52:42
using.

00:52:42
You can tell that it is not her anymore.

00:52:45
It shows up.

00:52:47
It's the perfect personification of how Boyd

00:52:53
views Abby.

00:52:54
And the more it senses that Boyd is going to break that box,

00:53:01
the more it stops sounding like Abby.

00:53:06
Speaker 1: Right, you're going to make them hurt worse.

00:53:08
You're going to do this, you're going to do that.

00:53:10
And, as Martin said, what did Martin say in the first episode?

00:53:14
You have to stop the music.

00:53:18
Yeah, you've got to stop it.

00:53:19
We all criticize.

00:53:22
We all criticize.

00:53:24
Oh, yeah, no, it is the monster feeling desperate.

00:53:28
We can say who threw the rope, who did this, who did that, but

00:53:34
I can't wait to do a rewatch from episode one all the way

00:53:38
back, because we're going to find, hopefully, great tidbits

00:53:44
of a lot of good foreshadowing.

00:53:48
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, there's tons, there is tons.

00:53:52
And the times I've gone back to do research for these episodes

00:53:57
I'm like, oh my God, i have to go back and see more.

00:54:01
Speaker 1: So the last real thing that we need to talk about

00:54:04
is Victor and Tabitha.

00:54:09
Speaker 2: We haven't even finished.

00:54:10
We haven't even finished, boyd.

00:54:13
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry.

00:54:14
I'm sorry It's 11 something at night and I'm just a little

00:54:19
bunch of years.

00:54:20
Speaker 2: Oh my God, it's already 11.

00:54:21
We've been at it an hour, all right.

00:54:23
So, anyway, what ends up happening?

00:54:26
Boyd realizes it's not Abby, smashes the box, and then what

00:54:33
happens is that Randall wait a minute.

00:54:36
While he's down there, he sees Randall, julie and Marielle

00:54:40
chained to the walls, and so it makes me wonder where they

00:54:46
chained there before.

00:54:47
But, at any rate, julie and Marielle, they're screaming, and

00:54:54
for the first time, randall can barely utter anything.

00:54:59
It was a bit a kill, yeah.

00:55:04
He decides that he's going to reject everything that the, the

00:55:12
character, the character, the abbey character has said, and he

00:55:16
smashes the box.

00:55:18
When he does that, it frees Randall, julie and Marielle

00:55:27
Julie comforted by her brother and father, marielle comforted

00:55:33
by Christie, and Randall wakes up alone.

00:55:36
And I felt awful about that.

00:55:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of sad.

00:55:41
That was really kind of sad.

00:55:43
Speaker 2: He deserves it, but I felt really bad about that.

00:55:46
So Boyd gets out of there and the first thing he sees is the

00:55:50
dog.

00:55:51
The dog barks and then runs away.

00:55:55
I was just like Marielle had one hell of a bad detox.

00:56:02
Speaker 1: And I'd love to know what the bigger picture with

00:56:05
this friggin dog is.

00:56:06
Find out, i hope so.

00:56:09
I know there's some theories out there.

00:56:11
It'd be just nice to know what all the pieces are.

00:56:15
Like you said, having a couple of pages of a book and you don't

00:56:19
know what the context is really frustrating.

00:56:23
But the nice thing is, yeah, and here's another comment.

00:56:31
Speaker 2: I agree, i don't feel bad about Randall waking up

00:56:34
alone.

00:56:35
I was worried about what he's going to do, but I wonder if

00:56:39
he'll be in a different frame of mind.

00:56:41
Also, we're not going to find out.

00:56:44
Speaker 1: He could be a great asset.

00:56:45
He could be a very great asset if he chose to be.

00:56:49
Speaker 2: But he doesn't want to.

00:56:52
Speaker 1: He's just saying he wants to be a jerk.

00:56:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's just something in him that, no,

00:57:03
i get it, i totally get it.

00:57:04
His fear is what protects him.

00:57:09
All right, so let's jump on over to Tabitha.

00:57:15
Tabitha is dealing with Julie, with her husband and Ethan, and

00:57:23
Julie's a mess And they're screaming.

00:57:25
All three are screaming at the same time And they're

00:57:31
experiencing all this stuff together, like they're in sync

00:57:34
with one another.

00:57:35
And then Julie not Julie, tabitha realizes that she needs

00:57:44
to go find the tower Because she is thinking about it, and the

00:57:52
whole thing with Victor's mom is that she went to save the kids

00:57:59
and never did, and so maybe I keep seeing these kids because

00:58:05
I'm supposed to go save them.

00:58:07
She begs Jim to give her permission to go do this.

00:58:16
She I swear I just heard jingling out in my living room.

00:58:21
I'm here alone.

00:58:23
So she begs Jim to let her go do this, and I never really feel

00:58:30
like Jim says go, oh no.

00:58:33
Speaker 1: He's terrified because of what happened.

00:58:35
Yeah, i saw a spider in the house and the whole place told.

00:58:41
Speaker 2: I saw that too.

00:58:42
That was awesome.

00:58:45
Speaker 1: He's terrified And I think he just wants to keep his

00:58:49
family.

00:58:50
I know there's been some criticism of Jim And I get that

00:58:56
He's like a But she was going to .

00:59:01
Speaker 2: I love Jim.

00:59:02
He's another problem solver And that's what he was trying to do

00:59:10
this season.

00:59:11
Speaker 1: No, I get it.

00:59:13
Speaker 2: And he had a hard time of it.

00:59:14
But I feel like in a show like this not everyone gets to.

00:59:23
I don't know be the cromenacle at once.

00:59:29
Speaker 1: True, but the interesting thing about that was

00:59:32
they did start talking about how to solve a problem.

00:59:38
And then Victor talks about the bottle tree And he brings up

00:59:44
one of his pictures.

00:59:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, he shows her a picture of the bottle tree.

00:59:50
And yeah, because What was it?

00:59:54
We already talked about this.

00:59:58
Boyd and Sarah saw the bottle tree, correct, okay, because I

01:00:05
remember when we first saw it, you could see slips of paper in

01:00:10
the bottles.

01:00:11
Speaker 1: Correct.

01:00:12
Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder Victor takes her to where

01:00:18
the bottle tree is, and the bottle tree is near a faraway

01:00:23
tree.

01:00:24
Speaker 1: And This is a faraway tree.

01:00:27
Speaker 2: So like, at first they don't see it And then you

01:00:30
hear the tinkling of the glass And then it's there.

01:00:33
And the thing is like he says he found his mother there.

01:00:41
Speaker 1: That's something that I think was a very important

01:00:43
piece of information, because everybody keeps saying that

01:00:46
she's dead or that she disappeared.

01:00:48
She didn't disappear, she died, but he has never revealed that.

01:00:54
Speaker 2: She didn't die And I think she died.

01:00:59
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why later.

01:01:00
Speaker 2: Okay, i'll tell you why later.

01:01:03
So anyway, she goes through the faraway tree.

01:01:08
So now everyone in that family but Jim have been in a faraway

01:01:12
tree.

01:01:12
So Jim needs to experience the faraway tree, and so she goes to

01:01:20
the faraway tree.

01:01:21
She comes out in some bushes, so she goes to the faraway tree,

01:01:27
so she goes through the faraway tree.

01:01:29
That was the same faraway tree that both Sarah and Boyd went

01:01:33
into And the thing was, boyd went to where Martin was And

01:01:38
Sarah went back to the town, so it wasn't their fate to go to

01:01:42
the tower.

01:01:49
Speaker 1: And I think that Tabitha has been marked from the

01:01:50
beginning to go to the tower, but I had wait.

01:01:55
I gotta go back to why do you think his mom isn't dead?

01:01:59
when he said she died.

01:02:02
Speaker 2: I I need to go all the way to the end to tell you

01:02:07
that.

01:02:07
I fine okay, but Crap, i forgot what.

01:02:14
Speaker 1: I was gonna you're talking about.

01:02:16
You were talking about Boyd and Tabitha and the mother.

01:02:25
Speaker 2: Well, tabitha brings up.

01:02:27
When she's talking to Jim and trying to convince him to let

01:02:32
her go, to give her permission to go, she want she says I want

01:02:36
to make up for Thomas.

01:02:38
Not she doesn't say that verbatim, but what she's saying.

01:02:42
I just I keep seeing him on the floor and She wants a do-over.

01:02:48
She wants to make up for Thomas because if she can save those

01:02:52
kids, then at least she saved a bunch of kids when she lost her

01:02:58
son.

01:02:58
So anyway, she climbs the stairs.

01:03:03
We see the toys I wish you the rope.

01:03:07
Yeah, we see the rope.

01:03:08
I wish we had seen the years carved into it and I think what

01:03:13
those years represent is Every time someone has climbed those

01:03:17
stairs, like every time.

01:03:20
So she climbs the stairs, she hears the kids, she gets to the

01:03:25
top and she sees the light.

01:03:27
And she looks out And all of a sudden boy in white is standing

01:03:33
behind her and he says I'm sorry , i Really am, this is the only

01:03:40
way.

01:03:40
And he pushes her through the window.

01:03:43
And I Think what he's saying This is the only way.

01:03:50
This is the only way out of here.

01:03:51
I Have to push you through this window.

01:03:55
It's gonna suck Like you're falling from a high tower, right

01:03:59
.

01:03:59
So she wakes up in the hospital bed And I'm like, when I see

01:04:07
that she wakes up in the hospital bed, she gets up and

01:04:11
then dr Brody comes in and says three days ago Hikers found you

01:04:16
in the woods unconscious on the side of a trail.

01:04:19
And Then she looks out the window and she's in a little

01:04:24
port town.

01:04:26
Speaker 1: They were in Arizona And now she's in a little port

01:04:30
and they're saying, some people are saying that the reflection

01:04:33
is a different person on the window.

01:04:35
I have to look back.

01:04:35
I didn't see that.

01:04:36
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, i didn't even notice.

01:04:39
All I saw was the port town.

01:04:41
Speaker 1: Look like a mystic, look almost like a mystic

01:04:44
Connecticut but it's not Connecticut.

01:04:45
Yeah, i Don't know, i don't think mystic, this isn't a

01:04:49
hospital, i'm just saying it.

01:04:50
look like that, that type of place.

01:04:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a Cape Cod or something like that.

01:04:55
So Here's my thought.

01:04:58
Victor found her, his mom, near the faraway tree.

01:05:05
I Don't remember if there was a trail there, but what I was

01:05:12
thinking is that His mom made it to the top of the tower.

01:05:17
The boy pushed her out, but no one found her.

01:05:23
So she died.

01:05:24
Because He doesn't say what she looked like when he found her.

01:05:30
She could have been lying there with a broken neck.

01:05:34
She could have been.

01:05:34
She could have, because I, tabitha's got scratches all over

01:05:40
her face and stuff like that So she could have died from

01:05:43
exposure.

01:05:44
Because by the time he finally found her she was dead.

01:05:48
We don't know what happened to the sister.

01:05:50
There's no word on that.

01:05:52
Maybe the sister got out, maybe No one was hiking when the

01:05:57
mother, when his mother, fell.

01:05:59
That's why I think she's alive.

01:06:05
Speaker 1: Okay, i'm saying it's a theory, just like anything

01:06:09
else.

01:06:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:06:11
I think that I'm just going by what Victor said, and He said

01:06:15
that she was there, so I'm gonna stick with that and Yeah, she

01:06:20
was there and he buried her, but I just maybe she was never

01:06:25
found and the thing was like the way, i Don't know the way that

01:06:33
The boy in white speaks.

01:06:35
I'm sorry, i'm really, i really am, but this is the only way

01:06:40
like.

01:06:40
This is the only way Back to the world.

01:06:43
I've got to push you out of this high building.

01:06:45
That's the only thing I can, that I can commit to, i think.

01:06:52
Speaker 3: Okay, I.

01:06:54
Speaker 1: Don't know.

01:06:55
But, man, i don't know, it's just one of those.

01:06:58
You could go on for days with this stuff.

01:07:00
Yeah, the thing it really could .

01:07:02
Um, what other plate do you want to go anywhere else?

01:07:08
So Any other?

01:07:12
Speaker 2: I think I hit everything I wanted to.

01:07:15
The only other thing in this made me I really enjoyed this

01:07:19
was when Kenny goes to talk to Christie and He's trying to

01:07:27
comfort her.

01:07:27
He knows he's lost in this whole thing, but he says it's

01:07:33
hard to see the sweater when you're only just a thread.

01:07:36
Speaker 1: Yes, that was a great line.

01:07:38
Speaker 2: I loved it.

01:07:38
Maybe what we did makes it easier for those that come after

01:07:42
us and maybe they get out of here get out of here.

01:07:45
Like all of humanity has just built on each other.

01:07:52
We learn and all of our knowledge stacks so that maybe

01:08:00
one day, like we don't have war anymore, we figure out how to

01:08:05
get along absolutely.

01:08:08
Speaker 1: I mean, It's gonna definitely be interesting.

01:08:12
I would love to just know why these all this collection of

01:08:16
people are here.

01:08:16
What's the major threat?

01:08:18
Yeah, we're not gonna find out but right now.

01:08:20
But that's the thing that I'm really concerned, and Yeah me to

01:08:25
put a Bow on this, but oh.

01:08:30
Speaker 2: You know what?

01:08:30
there was something else.

01:08:31
I'm sorry.

01:08:32
Ah, this was what it was.

01:08:34
All of their eyes were glazed over.

01:08:37
Yeah, like when they were possessed.

01:08:39
Did you notice the dummies eyes were glazed.

01:08:44
Speaker 1: No, I Did not notice that was it.

01:08:49
Speaker 2: That's all I wanted to say.

01:08:51
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, i just didn't notice.

01:08:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's all right.

01:08:54
Just I don't know how I caught it.

01:08:57
Speaker 1: I think I got lucky, but yeah so I Know a lot of

01:09:03
people have had their thoughts about the season and I'd love to

01:09:06
hear some of the people in the chat as well as you, what's your

01:09:10
thoughts of just this whole season, the way it kind of

01:09:13
started and finished, because we've been doing this for ten

01:09:17
Sundays now and We haven't.

01:09:20
You can look at a bird's-eye view instead of a Micro view

01:09:26
right now.

01:09:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been looking under the microscope.

01:09:29
What do you think?

01:09:36
Speaker 1: There's some things that I wish they could have

01:09:38
answered better, just because I want to know.

01:09:39
I Think the biggest problem with today's TV is that we only

01:09:45
have ten episodes.

01:09:46
Yeah.

01:09:49
Speaker 2: We had a couple more.

01:09:50
I think a couple more would be good.

01:09:54
I think one of the great things About streaming is that.

01:10:01
Alright, so we have ten episodes versus 2226 episodes,

01:10:07
but how often did something drag along?

01:10:09
Speaker 1: I, i wish we would have found out more about the

01:10:13
monster.

01:10:14
Whatever this entity is, okay, so it's a music box.

01:10:18
They broke the music box.

01:10:20
We still don't know what it is.

01:10:26
Speaker 2: Oh.

01:10:27
Speaker 1: How is this really?

01:10:28
Speaker 2: bio.

01:10:29
It didn't seem like the bio was working.

01:10:33
Speaker 1: It's just.

01:10:34
And again, i'm not saying it's red herrings.

01:10:36
I'm not saying that and I'm not disappointed in any of what

01:10:39
happened.

01:10:39
No, i'm just saying that I wish they could have given us more,

01:10:45
that's all I.

01:10:48
Speaker 2: Think you're always gonna want exactly.

01:10:49
Speaker 1: Exactly.

01:10:50
Yeah, it's not like it's a criticism.

01:10:52
Criticism, i think The the only person I really am and I love

01:11:02
the actor, ian Bailey.

01:11:03
I just I'm just having a hard time with him this season.

01:11:07
He was just annoying to me, but that's okay.

01:11:11
Again, it's Your a nine point nine.

01:11:16
You gotta find something, i think I.

01:11:20
Speaker 2: Feel like he was underutilized.

01:11:22
I just don't think that.

01:11:27
Speaker 1: Speaking of underutilized, I think that they

01:11:29
underutilized back to They didn't use her at all.

01:11:32
It was like what's the point?

01:11:35
Speaker 2: I Yeah, she came in so strong like Randall was the

01:11:40
strongest of the new people.

01:11:41
Randall and real and Marielle were out in the front and then I

01:11:50
wasn't quite sure what Tilly was doing, because I still don't

01:11:54
know what till he's done.

01:11:56
She seemed to show up like a road sign here and there, and I

01:12:00
think what it is that Bacca and Tilly are building are in

01:12:06
building season, so They're getting established and I think

01:12:12
that we'll see more from both of them next season, where Randall

01:12:17
and Marielle Might have a conjoined storyline with Julie

01:12:25
next season maybe so that could be.

01:12:29
So they'll all be off on that, but In any show you can only

01:12:34
have so many Story packs.

01:12:37
But God, we got so much.

01:12:42
Victor, it was wonderful.

01:12:44
We saw some really agonizing things, for Jade and Tabitha

01:12:55
took the spotlight this season.

01:12:57
It was Tabitha and Victor.

01:13:00
Speaker 1: Was the Victor show.

01:13:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, jim was trying to figure his things out.

01:13:10
He was in a lot of pain.

01:13:12
It was interesting that Ellis heals really quickly from being

01:13:17
stabbed.

01:13:17
Ethan healed really quickly from being impaled, but Jim was

01:13:26
still a couple days later.

01:13:28
He's still limping around.

01:13:35
Speaker 1: The younger people get the healing faster.

01:13:39
I just think that, like Monica said, it kept you on the edge of

01:13:49
your seat the entire season.

01:13:52
No season is perfect.

01:13:54
If you want to put a bow on this, we started at a certain

01:13:58
place and we ended on a certain place, and I'm happy.

01:14:01
My only question is where is Tabitha?

01:14:05
and is Tabitha actually awake or asleep or dead?

01:14:09
We haven't answered that.

01:14:10
All we know is that she's in a different place than Well, yeah,

01:14:15
now we know where we're starting next season.

01:14:20
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed this season a great deal.

01:14:23
I enjoyed going on the fact-finding missions every week

01:14:28
.

01:14:28
I was pretty annoyed with people like this show is so slow

01:14:35
.

01:14:35
I'm like you don't get it.

01:14:37
If you think it's slow, you don't get it.

01:14:40
This is a puzzle show And I think television has developed

01:14:49
so much to the point where they're not wasting time,

01:14:54
they're not trying to fill 26 episodes.

01:14:56
You have 10 episodes where we have got to put everything in

01:15:00
there.

01:15:00
We can't have a wasted scene.

01:15:03
There's no throwaway scenes, none.

01:15:07
Speaker 1: Well, and people were trying to say that there were,

01:15:09
but that wasn't us.

01:15:13
Speaker 2: It was me trying to figure out Tabitha seeing

01:15:17
Marielle in the medicine cabinet , and then the next week I'm

01:15:23
like duh.

01:15:28
Speaker 1: I think I'm ready for some feedback.

01:15:29
I don't know about you, but I am definitely ready for some

01:15:32
feedback.

01:15:33
Speaker 2: OK.

01:15:35
Speaker 1: Unless you have anything else.

01:15:38
Speaker 2: I am just praying that the writer strike ends like

01:15:42
the director's guild settled with AMP TTP.

01:15:47
I'm praying that the writers settle quickly so that we can

01:15:52
get into season three.

01:15:57
Speaker 1: That is what I wish for.

01:15:59
So you have feedback.

01:16:02
Speaker 2: I do, but I don't know what I do.

01:16:03
Speaker 1: All right In the meantime I can do a couple of

01:16:07
pieces.

01:16:08
Speaker 2: Oh, i have it.

01:16:08
I have one, ok, fine, i don't know who it comes from, but I

01:16:12
know it comes from somebody You can probably tell me in a second

01:16:15
, probably Alma.

01:16:16
No, i don't think it is Alma.

01:16:18
I know Alma sent it, but I don't know where it is And I

01:16:23
don't know what.

01:16:24
Oh Twist Mom gets to go.

01:16:26
Speaker 1: Oh wait, stop.

01:16:27
This is from Sydney.

01:16:28
She's in the chat.

01:16:29
Oh yes, Sydney.

01:16:30
Speaker 2: Yep.

01:16:30
Mom gets to go home and ends up leaving her family behind.

01:16:34
That is perfectly dark.

01:16:36
I feel bad for Jim because Jim's going to think she's dead

01:16:42
or something.

01:16:42
Abby needs to shut up and move on.

01:16:45
Will Tabitha and Victor's mom now?

01:16:49
will Tabitha find Victor's mom now in the real world?

01:16:53
I assume Victor's mom was released as well back into the

01:16:56
real world.

01:16:57
Are the kids who need saving also in the real world?

01:17:03
and the lighthouse was just another step in the journey to

01:17:06
saving them?

01:17:06
I think so.

01:17:10
Speaker 1: All right, i think I got a couple of voicemails.

01:17:13
I want to do one first and then we'll get to one of yours.

01:17:17
One is from Steve Brown.

01:17:21
Speaker 5: Hello, what WTF is from?

01:17:23
This is Steve, and this is for the season finale of season two,

01:17:27
speaking for the audience.

01:17:29
We don't understand anything that's going on.

01:17:30
It's like a jigsaw puzzle where you have all the pieces and you

01:17:34
don't know what the picture looks like and you just got to

01:17:36
find pieces that connect.

01:17:37
Okay, so that they come, for three is not counting the woman

01:17:41
who's dead already.

01:17:42
It's counting the three that are now screaming, and this

01:17:44
screaming is horrifying.

01:17:45
So Sarah's yelling about some entity that Boyd brought back,

01:17:50
that touched Kenny's arm, and man, this is getting interesting

01:17:56
.

01:17:56
At least the daughter stopped screaming, tabitha, and now you

01:17:58
want to go?

01:17:58
try to find the tower.

01:17:59
Come on, okay.

01:18:00
And now Jade's talking to more dead people.

01:18:02
Dude, just cut that guy's throat, of course.

01:18:06
Now is when his flashlight chooses to go out in the tunnel.

01:18:09
He dummy again.

01:18:11
I just thought you're right, donna.

01:18:13
They don't have a priest to marry them and they also have a

01:18:15
lawyer in case they get divorced .

01:18:17
The worst The on kooie kids and they disappear just like that.

01:18:21
Jade, she's not going to be calling you sheriff, she's going

01:18:24
to be calling you dad.

01:18:25
Always get choked up at TV weddings.

01:18:27
I don't cry at real weddings, though.

01:18:29
Strange.

01:18:29
Oh, shoot out of the from.

01:18:31
Okay, corral, reggie just shot Boyd.

01:18:34
Boyd shot Reggie dead.

01:18:36
Looks like a boy has quite the conundrum here.

01:18:39
His dead wife is telling him don't smash the music box.

01:18:42
Sarah is saying the music's got to stop for everything to end.

01:18:46
I don't know.

01:18:47
And now they're screaming again Thanks from.

01:18:50
Okay, so it looks like smashing the music box Woke everybody up

01:18:53
.

01:18:53
There's going to be another shoot.

01:18:55
That's going to drop.

01:18:56
Come on, wait, where have we seen that dog before?

01:18:58
But, boyd, you really got to get back to the tunnel like

01:18:59
Christie.

01:19:00
Look at that.

01:19:00
Buck shot because that's not going to be good.

01:19:02
For a while, kid just pushed her out of the and now she's

01:19:07
waking up in a hospital.

01:19:08
Okay, they seriously got to renew this show for a season

01:19:12
three, because man can't wait to hear this one.

01:19:20
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, steve Brown.

01:19:21
As always, you never seem to disappoint.

01:19:24
Do you have any more feedback with you or me No.

01:19:29
I thought I thought I had messaged you.

01:19:32
I emailed you to.

01:19:35
all right, let me look.

01:19:37
while you're doing that, i'll also play Jody from the

01:19:41
international desk.

01:19:42
Speaker 3: Yes, hi, i'm Lizzie and Alex.

01:19:43
It's Jody from Australia here to watch from season two,

01:19:47
episode 10.

01:19:47
So winter has kicked in pretty hard here in camera and in my

01:19:52
nest on my couch hitting play for the episode.

01:19:54
I'm so excited.

01:19:55
I can't wait.

01:19:56
I will see you on the other side, hopefully with some good

01:19:59
feedback.

01:20:00
Okay guys, oh my gosh, that was thrilling.

01:20:04
Okay, here's my feedback.

01:20:06
So we've got three people down with cicada comas.

01:20:09
I don't think that's going anywhere good.

01:20:12
Like initially, i felt like in the beginning of the episode we

01:20:15
really needed to find that music box.

01:20:16
That was the lynchpin.

01:20:17
And when Sarah's lini chain started giving us information,

01:20:22
this time I was so hoping Boyd could work it out and he

01:20:26
absolutely did.

01:20:27
I'm so glad.

01:20:28
Just throwing the music box totally worked.

01:20:30
It was wonderful.

01:20:31
Oh, well done, boyd, well done.

01:20:35
And when I saw Tom the bartender pop up again behind Jade, i

01:20:38
literally said what the fuck allowed?

01:20:40
because I was like he's back.

01:20:42
But no, he wasn't back.

01:20:43
Jade was just hallucinating.

01:20:45
Just on Jade.

01:20:47
I love that he started caring about the people around him, but

01:20:50
he hates it at the same time.

01:20:51
It's pretty cute.

01:20:51
He's trying to save everybody, but also trying to pretend that

01:20:55
he only wants to save himself.

01:20:56
He's a darling.

01:20:57
And to think I hated him in the first episode.

01:21:00
That's just exquisite writing and character development.

01:21:03
In my opinion, the writers have done such a good job In this

01:21:08
show.

01:21:08
What is with these fucking puppets?

01:21:10
they creep me out.

01:21:11
I love Donna so much.

01:21:15
Tampering with a mailbox is a federal crime.

01:21:18
She's just the best.

01:21:22
Speaker 2: And oh, i found it before you sent it to me, so I

01:21:27
have almas.

01:21:29
Speaker 1: Alrighty, so why don't we go with almas?

01:21:32
and then I also message you, lisa, as well.

01:21:36
Speaker 2: Yep, i saw that I didn't get that before, but

01:21:39
anyway, oh my god, that episode went by super fast.

01:21:42
How crazy was that scene with Boyd and Sarah.

01:21:44
When all that stuff appeared and the music box was playing, i

01:21:48
was totally creeped out.

01:21:49
I'm glad Boyd destroyed it, but Martin say that when the music

01:21:55
stopped playing that they would be back.

01:21:57
I wonder what is coming next for our Fromley And yay, tabitha

01:22:05
got out, but what now?

01:22:07
Oof, so many questions still left unanswered, and so now we

01:22:13
wait for next season, thanks to a great season of podcasting.

01:22:16
Oh, thanks, alma.

01:22:18
Speaker 1: Alma was funny because she would message me

01:22:21
When's the feedback episode, so she was always like she's.

01:22:25
Thank you, alma, for all that wonderful feedback.

01:22:28
I know Lisa had something as well.

01:22:30
Speaker 2: Yep.

01:22:30
So when Tabitha looked out the hospital window it looked like

01:22:34
she was at a resort, like at Disney or Vegas.

01:22:37
It really didn't look real.

01:22:39
Right.

01:22:43
The color was off.

01:22:44
It looked like a 1980s dynasty episode.

01:22:48
I'm not sure she's completely out.

01:22:53
If she is, then it will be an interesting plot line in season

01:22:57
three as she tries to find her family.

01:22:59
I'm also really interested in seeing what Jade discovers.

01:23:03
When he said f my life, i laughed out loud.

01:23:07
Pretty smart of him.

01:23:08
To think of using the string made me think of the movie

01:23:11
Poltergeist.

01:23:12
That's what I was trying to think of.

01:23:16
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a great reference.

01:23:18
That was a great reference.

01:23:19
Couple little housekeeping things folks.

01:23:25
It's still a poster contest time.

01:23:27
Yeah, we've got about five or six entries so far.

01:23:33
So if you do have an entry, all you have to do is just hit us

01:23:38
up on the email and take a picture of it, have it in crayon

01:23:42
and just make it a scene from that Victor hasn't drawn, and

01:23:48
we're going to have a star studded panel of our peers or

01:23:54
not our peers to take a look at it.

01:23:58
Speaker 2: We actually haven't even asked anybody.

01:24:01
Speaker 1: Actually I have.

01:24:03
Speaker 2: Who did you ask?

01:24:04
Speaker 1: I asked both, victor's.

01:24:06
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

01:24:08
Speaker 1: And they're both in.

01:24:10
They're both in, they're both in , they're both in.

01:24:16
And that other person that we can't really talk about that's

01:24:18
involved with the show.

01:24:19
That said, we've seen some creative stuff.

01:24:24
We've seen some stuff that looks like my daughter was

01:24:29
asleep when she made it, and you know what?

01:24:30
every single piece is amazing and we love every single one of

01:24:35
them.

01:24:35
What we did last year was, if you go on to our YouTube channel

01:24:39
on the top banner, that's all the pictures that we got from

01:24:42
last year, so hopefully we can add more and we can make more of

01:24:46
a collage and hopefully it can just keep growing.

01:24:50
That said, we've had a really great run this year.

01:24:56
The family has been so good to us, whether it's the actors, the

01:25:01
people in production and whatever else, but it's mostly

01:25:05
because of the people that are listening.

01:25:07
Good, bad or indifferent What we say, people are listening to,

01:25:12
and we might not always be right, we might not always get

01:25:15
the terms always right.

01:25:17
It's always coming out of the right place, which is we just

01:25:21
love the show.

01:25:21
We love the show.

01:25:24
And, that said, if you guys love the show as much as we do and

01:25:28
you want to help support us and you want some really cool merch

01:25:32
we've got some from Lee teacher's t shirts.

01:25:35
We've got some mugs that a couple people bought that are

01:25:38
from Lee.

01:25:38
We just put up a rock that says town and then a flower that

01:25:45
says colony house, like they did in episode three, which was

01:25:48
choosing day.

01:25:49
So I expect all you people to pick your house, so to speak,

01:25:56
and we're going to be adding some more as we go along.

01:25:58
But the fact is, we're very thankful for the people that

01:26:03
have bought stuff and hopefully, if you're looking for a good

01:26:08
gift for a friend of yours, it all goes back into a podcast.

01:26:11
All we're trying to do is just make sure we can keep the lights

01:26:15
running, so to speak.

01:26:16
So to speak And again, i can't stress enough, we've been really

01:26:22
trying to.

01:26:24
We have a bunch of interviews that are coming up.

01:26:26
We're talking to both victors they're going to be dropping

01:26:30
next week, go little and big Victor, and we're going to

01:26:32
sandwich Liz Saunders, donna in between, and then we've got a

01:26:38
couple others that we're lining up as well that nobody else has

01:26:43
talked to like the one for child Victor.

01:26:47
We were literally the first interview he's ever done and

01:26:51
that's not the first time we've done that.

01:26:52
We were the first interview that we did with Smiley and

01:26:56
Jamie.

01:26:56
We were the first.

01:26:59
Speaker 2: And the thing is, just because this is the last

01:27:03
episode doesn't mean that we're going dark until season three

01:27:09
comes along.

01:27:10
Last year when we did season one, we dropped one or two

01:27:16
episodes or basically they were interviews.

01:27:20
We dropped one or two interviews a month to make sure

01:27:22
there was content and that to deepen your interest in the show

01:27:30
, help you understand the actors and where they're coming from

01:27:35
and trying to create their character and just to flesh it

01:27:40
out, and it was a lot of fun.

01:27:42
I'm so glad we did that.

01:27:45
Speaker 1: I think that what we're trying to do is we're

01:27:48
trying to really get behind the actors, and not just this role

01:27:52
but any roles that they do, and I think that's one thing.

01:27:56
You're in the business so you understand that a little bit

01:28:00
better than I do, but you know what?

01:28:02
I think it was Michelle Pfeiffer or somebody who said

01:28:07
when I'm not working on, i'm unemployed and we just want the

01:28:14
best for all these actors.

01:28:16
I know we'll probably get and I know he listens to the podcast

01:28:19
but Bob Mann back on because he's always great and hopefully

01:28:22
this time technology will work so we can do a post game wrap up

01:28:26
and then we'll definitely do a pregame before season three.

01:28:31
Speaker 2: We did do a pregame with him, it just didn't work.

01:28:35
Speaker 1: It just, we had technical difficulties a couple

01:28:37
of times.

01:28:37
It was so much fun.

01:28:39
It was more fun than yeah, it was great.

01:28:42
But a couple other things.

01:28:45
If you're into supporting the thing, you could also.

01:28:48
It'll also be in the show notes .

01:28:50
We have a thing for Buzzsprout and, like I said, you can always

01:28:54
go to our Etsy shop as well.

01:28:56
Speaker 2: What do we have for Buzzsprout?

01:28:59
Speaker 1: That's our people can donate money to that.

01:29:02
It's through our deal.

01:29:04
I was going to say next week we have another episode, but we

01:29:08
don't, because all of our episodes are done.

01:29:10
We're just chomping at the bit, just like you are to try to say

01:29:18
that there is going to be a season three.

01:29:19
We're assuming that there is, just because this writer strike

01:29:23
is really screwed with us.

01:29:27
Speaker 2: It's screwed with everybody.

01:29:29
Speaker 1: It's going with everybody.

01:29:30
I know it's going with you personally and you're part of

01:29:35
the world.

01:29:36
Hopefully we can get Atlanta hoppin a little bit more,

01:29:40
hopefully sooner rather than later.

01:29:43
Speaker 2: And facts where the show is filmed.

01:29:47
We want that often.

01:29:49
Speaker 1: And hopefully Lizzie will be on set reporting from on

01:29:55
set in Canada, hopefully next year.

01:29:59
Her goal is to be a monster, and what's nice is not a lot of

01:30:04
makeup requires.

01:30:05
You can just have the perfect stuff and it's great.

01:30:07
And me too, i don't need a lot of makeup for this face.

01:30:14
But no again, i just wanted to thank everybody that's been

01:30:18
listening this season, because it's been the really it's been a

01:30:21
great season for us.

01:30:22
Our season started in like February and it seemed like it

01:30:26
hasn't ended.

01:30:27
I can't wait for next week because I am.

01:30:29
I have a couple edits to do and we will not be on next Sunday

01:30:34
for a live.

01:30:34
Sorry, guys, as much as I love this, i got to get a break.

01:30:40
Speaker 2: But no, and the thing is we didn't.

01:30:44
I don't know.

01:30:45
It's been enjoyable like we you and I go back and forth.

01:30:50
This is just like being on the phone with us.

01:30:53
The last couple of days I've barely spoken to Alex, and I

01:30:59
think because I've been working, but it's unusual.

01:31:03
Alex and I talk multiple times a day, i can't even say several.

01:31:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's pretty funny.

01:31:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes just hang up with them and one of us

01:31:14
is calling the other one back.

01:31:16
Speaker 1: I'm stupid And, like I said, I didn't call you stupid

01:31:20
.

01:31:20
I didn't say, i said for something stupid.

01:31:23
Speaker 2: Oh for something stupid.

01:31:24
I was like I would never say that.

01:31:26
Speaker 1: No, no, not to my face.

01:31:28
Speaker 2: But basically, if you hear us on the podcast, this is

01:31:33
what we sound like going back and forth, and we managed to get

01:31:37
a lot done.

01:31:39
Speaker 1: Despite all that, but again, i just want to thank

01:31:43
everybody.

01:31:43
You guys have been great And we're going to be dropping a

01:31:47
couple interviews.

01:31:48
We probably have a couple more coming up monthly, and do me

01:31:53
favor.

01:31:54
Some great ones like Alex and I have been doing the work to

01:31:59
really try to get these guys and there's one of the things that

01:32:04
we really want that fan art.

01:32:06
We really want to post it and we got some really cool prizes

01:32:11
and I know we're still working on some more And hopefully MGM

01:32:15
will try to see that we're doing this and they'll actually not

01:32:19
just give us what's behind me, but give us the new talismans

01:32:22
with the gummy worms and everything.

01:32:24
Speaker 2: All that stuff, yeah, is like there is nothing I love

01:32:29
more than having a contest and giving out prizes.

01:32:33
I fucking love doing that.

01:32:37
Please send in your picture.

01:32:40
One of the questions or the fears that I get from a lot of

01:32:46
people are like I can't draw, dude.

01:32:49
The more child like, the better .

01:32:53
Like it is crayon, how not everyone draws well in crayon

01:32:59
And we don't care, just draw something.

01:33:02
I think it's more about the topic than anything else.

01:33:05
We're not going to be looking at your color composition and

01:33:08
whether or not you color it in the lines.

01:33:11
Speaker 1: I do want to address this one from Monica.

01:33:13
I know we're going back, but she's.

01:33:16
I still don't know if they can sleep yet.

01:33:19
I'm exhausted, oh my.

01:33:21
Speaker 2: God, yes, that's right, and they sleep.

01:33:24
Speaker 1: Well, i'm assuming they can, since they got the bad

01:33:26
guys, they killed the music box .

01:33:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:33:30
Speaker 1: I guess we're just going to have to find out.

01:33:32
Speaker 2: The cicadas.

01:33:34
Speaker 1: The cadets.

01:33:38
Speaker 2: I swear it's like the Boston brahman, the cicadas.

01:33:43
Speaker 1: So, anyway, what I guess we'll do, since we're done

01:33:48
with the show, we're going to let our favorite guy, ian, take

01:33:52
us out, because he is our favorite.

01:33:54
The bell is ringing, you better go home.

01:33:57
See you guys on the other side.

01:34:00
One.

01:34:02
Speaker 2: Thanks everybody, thank you.

01:34:06
Speaker 1: Get your home, let's go.

01:34:09
Oh.