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Ever wonder what lurks behind the eerie charm of a seemingly quiet town? Join us as we step back into the haunting world of "The Long Day's Journey Into Night," dissecting the elements that make this first episode a masterful blend of the macabre and the mundane. Our latest podcast episode unravels the significance of the town’s peculiar practices and settings, from talismans to schools-turned-clinics, creating an atmosphere ripe with mystery and foreboding. We delve into the artistry behind the show's foreshadowing, the power struggles within the enigmatic Colony House, and the emotional turmoil experienced by our beloved characters.
As the RV crash leaves our protagonists physically and emotionally trapped, we find ourselves caught up in the symbolism of folklore's crows and ravens. The chilling parallels they draw with themes of betrayal and awareness make for a gripping conversation you won't want to miss. We'll also navigate the intricate relationships and the psychological impact of the "switchbacks" life throws at us. Each scene dissected brings a new layer of depth to the characters’ struggles and the town's secrets.
Finally, the episode's cliffhanger ending has us all holding our breath, wondering about the fate that awaits our characters in the shadowy woods. We reflect on the poignant moments of grief and duty, the unexpected humor amidst chaos, and the subtle hints of danger that thread through the narrative. Prepare to be hooked by our analysis, theories, and the mesmerizing tie-ins with tracks like the Pixies' haunting "Que Sera, Sera." This is much more than a trip down memory lane—it's an exploration of a world where every detail is a breadcrumb leading to the heart of the mystery.
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What are your first thoughts on this rewatch?
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Because, folks, we are still trying to figure out how we're
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doing this rewatch.
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She has a great idea.
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I'm still trying to figure it out.
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Speaker 2: I know I meant to message you, text you before
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this, but my first thoughts are I was surprised at how fresh it
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seems.
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It seemed to me I don't know how many times I've seen that
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episode at this point, but watching it again, going in
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believing what I believe, looking for what I'm looking for
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and looking at it with fresh eyes, it was pretty exciting,
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really exciting actually.
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I know it's like I guess I have a bunch of thoughts.
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I just feel like the entire thing is just stunning.
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It's it's a tapestry.
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Yeah, there's so much groundwork laid in this first episode and
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looking at people that are now dead and the scariness of it all
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, just loved it, loved it.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you right now, folks, I do not like
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scary stuff.
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I don't either I just write more and this has to be, without a
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doubt, one of the scariest episodes of TV I've ever seen.
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Now, that doesn't say much because I haven't seen a lot of
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TV that is scary, but in terms of the gruesomeness it doesn't
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get any more gruesome than this.
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Again and Lauren.
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But before we get into that, obviously we are going to this
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is a spoiler, not spoiler free.
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This is all about spoilers.
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We are not going to be trying to jump too far ahead in terms
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of what's going to happen in season two, season three, but at
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the same time we're going to try to stay within this episode
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and how it kind of looks in the whole big friendly world.
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Speaker 2: Just to be clear we cannot say anything about season
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three because we know nothing about it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's the one thing that I love
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that everybody keeps asking us what about season three?
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What about season three?
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You know what?
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They're still writing it.
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They're in the At the time of this podcast.
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They are on site and it is snowing there, probably in
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Canada, and they are freezing their little pajamas off and
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they're coming up with some great ideas and we can't wait to
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see it.
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But the reason for this podcast or this rewatch is to kind of
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get people really pumped up about the show, because if you
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do the math right, it's probably going to be that 20 weeks is
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where we're going to be to the hopefully season premiere of
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season three.
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Speaker 2: We have no idea when it is.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying we have no idea.
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But you know, looking at the show, I went in with this lens.
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We know certain things about the show and we've talked about
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it along the way, you know, trying to think about what we
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remember about the earlier episodes.
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So I went in knowing I know a lot of stuff about the show.
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But I have questions, ideas and thoughts and an open mind to
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look for patterns, look for clues, form some theories along
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the way and that's how I took my notes, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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That said, let's get into it, and one of the things that I
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love about the show is their use of the cold open.
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Speaker 2: Right, I thought you know for a new show I thought
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the cold open was kind of involved.
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We go through a few different scenes.
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We start going back to the beginning of my notes.
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We start where Boyd is ringing the bell.
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It sets the tone for the series .
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Who walks around a town ringing the bell and he starts out.
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He's coming down the street with the church on his left and
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he's walking along the street and from there you can see two
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houses on the left and you see one house on the right and the
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house on the right that was Sarah and Nathan's house.
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So we keep walking.
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The diner is next.
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You see the motel.
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You see the house that the Prats lived in Frank, lauren and
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Megan and then the Matthews family ends up moving in there.
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Do I have that right?
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No, that's not right.
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They're not on the other side.
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Oh, are they?
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I'm all confused.
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I don't know where anything is anymore.
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But because it goes the diner, it goes it.
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You know what?
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Oh, wait a minute, I have a map .
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Speaker 1: We have a map.
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Yes, there was a couple of maps out there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just drew my own map.
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So it's the church, yellow House, blue House, motel, and
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then Yellow House on the other side, the diner, then the Prat
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House, the playground, the sheriff, and then there's the
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street right here that goes to Colony House, which.
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I had never noticed before.
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And then I get to move my finger to the right way, and
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that's the gas station slash bar .
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Right.
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So the cold open starts with Boyd walking down the street,
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then it goes to Sarah at the diner.
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Speaker 1: And I do want to talk about that for a second because
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, you know, everybody is just a lot, it's time to go.
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And what I love about what Sarah does is she's just taking
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the food, nobody's paying, and it's what.
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But my point being is, doing the rewatch, you're like, oh
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yeah, nobody's paying, we know why now.
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But looking at it, you're like, okay, that's kind of strange.
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And then the one thing that she does, along with all the other
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people that are in the houses, they all touch the talisman.
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But at the same time and at the time, you're like, okay, what
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is this rock on the wall?
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Right, and I want to say it like that because I know when I
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first said, I'm like, okay, what's the deal with this
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friggin rock?
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No idea what a talisman was.
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Speaker 2: And why?
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It would be like it creates that God.
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What is this all about?
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Because you don't know what the show is about.
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Speaker 1: Right, you still don't know.
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And then they show Boyd or Sheriff Boyd, and he's looking
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around and he's talking to this little girl at the time.
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Oh, it's like can I have five more minutes?
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And they can't look any more wholesome.
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But yet, looking back at it, first off, all the houses are
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disheveled.
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They all need a coat of paint on them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, more or less they haven't been Because, like
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even when later on, when the neighbors or the inhabitants are
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standing in the front yard at the Pratt House, did you look at
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the lawn?
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It's not mowed.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, there's no mowing going on.
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Speaker 2: I'm like my God, that looks like my front lawn right
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now.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing is, when they pulled out the
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shot, you see this car in a pool with a hotel sign.
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That's all disheveled.
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But the thing about the car was okay, fine, it's in the pool.
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That's the first bizarre thing, but it's been there for a while
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, it's all rusting.
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There's no water.
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Yeah, it's just, there's no water.
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The diving board is cut.
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I mean it's cut.
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I mean this is just what is going on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, where are we?
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You know, there's just so many warning signs going off in your
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head.
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As you're walking down the street with Boyd, Sarah hustles
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the people out of the restaurant , out of the diner, and Megan is
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having a good time on the swing .
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I mean, how many times did you ask your mom or dad?
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Can I have five more minutes?
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Of course the son is setting.
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They know you're in the yard, but your parents are like no,
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you've got to come in and take a bath, you have school tomorrow,
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or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Whatever?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever.
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But I mean gosh, I just wanted to stay up and watch the big
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circus.
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I hated the big circus but I wanted to watch it anyway.
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Then we cut to Kenny playing check not checkers chess with
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his father and the father wins.
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And I think Kenny lets him win and just Christie comes in and
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she gets, you know, talks to Mr Lou Gina, takes him downstairs
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into the lower floor and then Kenny and Christie talk about
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his father outside and then she goes in.
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Speaker 1: And they have that little moment where he's, all
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you know, puppy-eyed and I know.
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And we're like who is this dude with the uniform?
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Speaker 2: What the f*** is that I'm too short?
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Speaker 1: And then she's got her little EMT.
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It says EMT on the front and it says paramedic on the side, so
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it's like what are you kidding?
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Speaker 2: Cover all the bases.
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And does it all.
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Speaker 1: But that particular scene is not controversial, but
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it has one of the most controversial images of the
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whole show, which is the medical facility.
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Verse is at the school.
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Speaker 2: Is at the school.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait what is going on here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the clinic is the school, and I was going to
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talk about that too, because the clinic is a school.
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The post office is a sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get there yet.
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Speaker 2: The house station is a bar.
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There's all these things that have been adapted.
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She goes in.
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Sarah is the first one to do the talisman.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And then Christie is the next one to do the talisman
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touch.
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So then Kenny touches base with Boyd, who's standing on the
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colony road with binoculars Right he's like kind of being a
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little creepy, exactly.
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We don't know what's going on and there's like creeper
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creepers in standing there watching people go into the
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house.
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We don't realize at the time that he's watching his son carry
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his girlfriend into the colony house, but that's who it is, or
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that it's even.
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You know Boyd is a father.
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But now that we know Boyd is looking out for his child, he
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just wants to make sure that his child is okay.
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Speaker 1: But again, why is the sheriff looking at all these
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creepy people?
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And what I mean by that?
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No, but what I mean by that is not creepy people, but he's like
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.
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Why is he like having this distance and not going up there?
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If he's the sheriff, I'm saying as the newcomer looking in?
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That's what you're thinking.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't realize that you've got to be
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inside by you know a certain time.
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So then he goes into the sheriff's office and he just
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kind of touches the talisman as he walks in, type thing, and
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locks the door and then next.
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Speaker 1: I love the fact that the sign says 90 96 days without
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an issue?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and it's like they kind of focus in
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on it, in on that.
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Take note of that 96 nights.
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And then we go over to the Pratt house and Lauren is
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closing up shop, touches the talisman and Megan is upstairs
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getting ready for bed and I was looking around.
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She has the rocking horse in her room.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Remember we see that down in the tunnels.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So that was one thing , because when I noticed I
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didn't notice the rocking horse until I did my second watch and
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I was like, oh my God, is the dummy there?
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That was my next question.
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But I didn't recognize like she just had dolls, you know, lined
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up on a bench and stuff like that.
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I didn't see the dummy, it was just other dolls and I don't
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remember seeing any of those dolls in the tunnels in season
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two.
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But what I did notice because I kept having to put things on
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pause for a while because I'm writing notes and you know the
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whole thing she's got crayon pictures on the wall as well.
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Yes, yeah, and I think there were four total.
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They don't focus in on them and I couldn't get a good read on
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some of them.
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I know there was one big one or one where the face was bigger
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and you could tell it was a person, but you know no idea who
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that was.
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And then there were two pictures near it where there
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seemed to be a bunch of different things.
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They could have been figures, they could have been anything
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Christmas ornaments, who knows.
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And then there was one on the other side of the window.
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So those were the things that I noticed in Megan's room, but
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the one thing I did, yeah, the rocking horse.
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Speaker 1: But the other thing is, you know, just to go say
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your prayers, and it's a famous prayer.
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We probably all said it once in our life.
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Speaker 2: I still say it once in a while.
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Speaker 1: You know, now they made me down to sleep and you
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could probably sing the whole thing, yeah.
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And then there's this knock on the door, on the window.
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I'm sorry and OK.
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First off, couple of things that I have a problem with.
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Hello, there's this little old lady on the second floor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd she get up there?
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Speaker 1: How'd she get up there?
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Speaker 2: But Megan's not going to Megan's not necessarily
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going to think about that, but Megan's mesmerized by this woman
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and she also knows it's not her .
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Yeah, she knows it's not her grandmother and I just love the
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look on Megan's face.
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She just did so well.
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You know standing there, and you know I can't help it.
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I miss being on set.
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I haven't been called back yet, but you know I can just picture
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them filming that.
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And you know there's no one out there.
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There's someone saying the lines of the grandmother at some
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point, I'm sure, and you know cause.
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She's just in her room.
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She doesn't turn around and look at the window, she's just
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like.
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You know I can't even remember what she said, but she's saying
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her lines.
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She was just really she played a little girl very well, how's
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that?
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Speaker 1: I think what's kind of interesting is that the mom
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is no, and then it cuts to the opening.
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Yeah, and that opening and I do want to talk about the opening
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because we've got and I like to call it pixies and picture, you
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know, you've got the drawings and then you've got the eerie
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song Music, yeah, and one thing that I can't you know, we were
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really lucky to get Victor Scott McCord, because he kind of shed
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some light on who sang the song and a little bit about it.
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One of the things that I find really fascinating about this is
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they changed the lyrics just a tinge and they had to.
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But it's just kind of interesting and I want to just
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punch this up if I can.
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I want to see if I could punch it up.
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Speaker 2: Did you find the version by the pixies?
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I found both versions.
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Speaker 1: I found both versions , I mean.
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Speaker 2: I've sang that song for a long time.
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Yeah, that's the one I have in my notes.
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But I had the Doris Day version on my iPod, you know, back in
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the day and I would sing that song.
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I mean, it's like an old standard.
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Speaker 1: But this is the thing about the song.
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First off because it's a guy.
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He says when I was a little boy .
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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, I mean that always changes with
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who's singing the song.
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Speaker 1: But that's not.
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The second verse is where it gets really kind of interesting,
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because the second verse is completely different than the
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second verse of Doris Day's version.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: And I think it.
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Speaker 2: Or when I grow up and have children of my own.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I have children of my own.
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They ask their father what will I be?
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Will I be pretty?
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Will I be rich?
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I just think that this has a pretty good underlying tone to
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the series.
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I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I just find it really fascinating,
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really, reading the words and the eeriness of it and the way
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it's played.
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I think it really lends itself to the way this show is gonna be
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going.
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Because the question is it Victor, is it Boyd?
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Is it you know?
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Who's the little boy?
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Who's the little boy, or is the little boy just insert person.
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Speaker 2: That's what I think it is.
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I was planning on talking about this when we got to the music
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section, because oh, I'm sorry, I just am kind of going through
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it all so.
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Yeah, no, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean we could .
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Okay, you can see the cohesion that we have right now and
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that's fine.
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Speaker 2: That's okay.
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Normally we plan out where we're going, or at least have a
00:20:39
loose idea of where we're going, but honestly, I was going until
00:20:45
the last minute with all of it.
00:20:48
Speaker 1: It's okay, but yeah, but then right after that they
00:20:51
cut right to the Matthews.
00:20:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where they start.
00:20:55
I do have it kind of like blow by blow, but Okay, I kind of mix
00:21:04
things up a little bit.
00:21:05
I mean, do you?
00:21:06
Speaker 1: have it like that.
00:21:08
Speaker 2: Where do you?
00:21:08
Speaker 1: want to go.
00:21:09
I'm sorry, I'll go wherever you want to go.
00:21:11
Speaker 2: But did you write it down like that?
00:21:13
Speaker 1: I wrote it down the way the show.
00:21:16
Speaker 2: The way it flowed.
00:21:17
Let's go with that, let's go with that.
00:21:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
00:21:21
Speaker 2: They're driving and they're on their family trip and
00:21:25
they're in an RV and they're on the highway.
00:21:30
We see them on a highway, they take an off-ramp and then
00:21:36
they're on side roads and then they turn up in the heavily
00:21:40
wooded roads and they're driving along and Julie and Ethan are
00:21:48
in the back of the RV at the table and Julie is telling Ethan
00:21:54
a story with two little finger puppets that are Ethan's toys
00:21:58
and she's talking about Norman being killed and that the secret
00:22:04
fairies are coming and there's the lake of tears and then she
00:22:10
just kills Norman and, understandably, ethan gets upset
00:22:17
and the parents kind of step in and Tabitha comes back and
00:22:24
talks to him about it and there's some things that I
00:22:29
wanted to talk about in regards to that Go ahead.
00:22:33
So I do have a section of foreshadowing and around the, a
00:22:43
lot of it takes place around the Matthews family.
00:22:46
So the first thing that comes up is the lake of tears.
00:22:51
Do you know what?
00:22:54
I'm gonna connect with that Please go.
00:22:56
I can't wait to hear it Elgin.
00:22:58
Yeah.
00:23:00
Remember he asked if there was like a pond or something, if
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there was some water.
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What if?
00:23:05
And we've been speculating about the Crominocle story being
00:23:10
the story of this whole place that all of this is just taking
00:23:14
place in Ethan's storybook.
00:23:16
But what if the lake of tears is that body of water where
00:23:22
everyone goes swimming?
00:23:23
I can't off the top of my head.
00:23:24
I can't remember what they call it right now.
00:23:26
But what if?
00:23:28
That's it?
00:23:29
But before Julie gets up and walks away, after she kills
00:23:35
Norman, she says, she says to Ethan sometimes life is hard kid
00:23:44
.
00:23:44
Now we know that they're all going through some recovering
00:23:52
from the trauma of the death of a child in the family and every
00:23:58
one of them is handling it differently.
00:23:59
And Julie's kind of acting out, she's tormenting Ethan and
00:24:03
she's saying sometimes life is hard kid.
00:24:05
And that's that right.
00:24:06
No, she's being an annoying older sister.
00:24:10
Speaker 1: That's part of it too .
00:24:11
Speaker 2: I think that's a lot of it, but yes, yeah, but yeah.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you because as a younger
00:24:17
sibling I can totally see where that was going and I'm like
00:24:23
you're a little jerk.
00:24:23
Yeah, that happens.
00:24:27
Speaker 2: But then she says to him when you're gone, when
00:24:31
you're dead, you're gone.
00:24:32
She says that to him.
00:24:34
So then Tabitha comes back and she tries to soothe him and she
00:24:42
says to him there's no such thing as monsters.
00:24:46
Norman is still alive, so we know where they're going and
00:24:53
that there definitely is monsters.
00:24:57
Julie is saying when you're dead, you're gone, which is what
00:25:02
happened in Norman, but then Tabitha turns around and says
00:25:05
Norman is still alive.
00:25:06
Speaker 1: There's that, Both right, yeah maybe, so that's the
00:25:10
foreshadowing that I've got at that moment.
00:25:16
Speaker 2: What's next?
00:25:17
So then?
00:25:19
Speaker 1: after that hold on one second.
00:25:20
After that, everything is fine.
00:25:24
All of a sudden, sheriff Boyd sees his favorite person in the
00:25:31
whole world, frank.
00:25:31
Yeah, wait a minute.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: That's not true?
00:25:35
Well, yeah, no, it's the next morning, yeah, and Frank decides
00:25:39
to go home and everybody's at Radice House and he bitch slaps
00:25:45
him like he was Chris Rock Bam bam, bam.
00:25:51
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like Chris Rock and Will Smith.
00:25:54
Speaker 2: And then he pulls him I totally can't think about
00:25:57
that again and then he pulls him up the stairs and starts
00:26:00
yelling at him again and he says they drag him all the ways up
00:26:06
into the bedroom and he says really I love this line.
00:26:10
Speaker 1: A man protects a woman.
00:26:11
Really, I love this line.
00:26:13
A man protects his family, frank, a man protects his family
00:26:17
.
00:26:17
Now, this is the thing I have an issue with.
00:26:20
Yeah, I understand he's a drunk and I understand he's not
00:26:25
exactly the best person in the world, but the mom has something
00:26:31
to accountability here.
00:26:35
Why the hell didn't she nail the window shut?
00:26:40
Speaker 2: She could have.
00:26:40
But what if Boyd only told Frank and the thing about it is
00:26:45
that Frank was not a drunk before they got there.
00:26:48
Frank became a drunk when they got there in dealing with that.
00:26:53
So the thing about this show is that or in this episode, they
00:26:59
do some exposition and what they do is they show what happens
00:27:06
when the rules are not followed.
00:27:08
Speaker 1: True.
00:27:11
Speaker 2: Frank comes home to the town, standing outside of
00:27:14
his house, boyd lays out the rules, nail the window, shut.
00:27:19
Man protects his family.
00:27:22
You're going to view those bodies and then you're going to
00:27:26
get locked up, and that's what happens.
00:27:28
So then the next thing is Cotry comes in and he handles the
00:27:35
bodies and the burial of the bodies.
00:27:37
So they show us.
00:27:41
This is what happens when rules are not followed and we know
00:27:47
that there's more.
00:27:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love that after he does what he does,
00:27:51
he's throw your father and just walks away Because it's he's
00:27:56
done his part, he's done his part and away we go.
00:27:59
But after that whole entire scene they set it up really well
00:28:04
and this is the crux of the whole show right here, because
00:28:09
there is one thing that everybody sees when they come to
00:28:13
this land Hold on, because we're not there yet, Because
00:28:18
what happens is let's see, I'm trying to get there.
00:28:24
Speaker 2: All right, Jim and Tabitha, we go back to the RV.
00:28:29
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, yeah.
00:28:31
Speaker 2: Jim and Tabitha are talking.
00:28:32
Yes.
00:28:33
Jim says hey, remember, when I first met your parents, I had
00:28:40
this 83 Volvo.
00:28:43
And starting to see.
00:28:46
The point of this conversation is we're starting to see the
00:28:49
difference between the two people.
00:28:50
Now he's saying the thing was broken down Fred Flintstone kind
00:28:58
of breaks Like the thing was really a piece of crap and he
00:29:03
said it was a champ.
00:29:05
To him the thing could plow through snow like 10-foot drifts
00:29:10
or whatever.
00:29:11
The thing was a champ.
00:29:13
She called it a death trap.
00:29:15
So you're seeing that they have two different ways that they're
00:29:21
looking at the world.
00:29:22
He's like everything's good, she's looking at everything is
00:29:27
bad and nothing's happened to them yet Other than the death of
00:29:33
their child.
00:29:33
But that's where they are at this point in time.
00:29:37
So then he says sometimes I remember what it was like before
00:29:46
, and so it's that hint that before what?
00:29:52
Because they haven't gotten to the town yet.
00:29:55
So what is that before?
00:29:57
There is something that has happened to this family where
00:30:02
they have a before and an after.
00:30:05
Speaker 1: Exactly.
00:30:06
Speaker 2: We're going to find out.
00:30:07
So the next thing is they're continuing on and we get the
00:30:13
steps to how somebody arrives in town.
00:30:16
Julie's lying on the couch and she is.
00:30:22
She's on her phone, she's got her earbuds in and there's a
00:30:27
moment, there's a look on her face when, if you're watching,
00:30:33
you can tell she's lost internet , she's lost her connection.
00:30:36
That moment, so it starts there, then there's the tree in the
00:30:41
road.
00:30:41
They come to the tree in the road, then there's the crows,
00:30:45
then there's no sign to the highway.
00:30:47
Then they drive into the town.
00:30:49
The people become aware that there's new people coming.
00:30:55
Boyd assesses and gives false directions, and then they pass
00:31:02
over the tracks and then let's see, oh shoot, there's another
00:31:07
part where they definitely don't have internet.
00:31:11
But the internet had gone out before, but then it obviously
00:31:14
goes out.
00:31:15
So they pass on over the tracks , then there's no turns and
00:31:20
they're back at the town again and then they drive, I think
00:31:25
they turn right around and go back the other way and they
00:31:28
start rationalizing it and they start denying what is happening
00:31:33
to them and they end up back in the town.
00:31:36
And so, boyd and Kenny, they're like it's time now, so they put
00:31:44
out the spike strip so that when they come back they'll stop
00:31:48
.
00:31:48
And that's the point where there's no way out.
00:31:53
When they put that spike strip down, whoever it is that's
00:31:58
driving around is going to find out right then that there is no
00:32:03
way out.
00:32:03
Speaker 1: What I found was really kind of interesting was
00:32:05
when they were going round and round, or even the first time,
00:32:08
ethan was like All the tie.
00:32:10
I mean that, the fact that he said it, yeah, it's like all the
00:32:14
tires are busted on all these cars.
00:32:16
I don't think any kid would have ever noticed that, but I
00:32:19
just it wasn't a throwaway mind, it was definitely a piece.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: No, it definitely was like he does say that all the
00:32:26
cars have flats and the welcoming committee just could
00:32:30
not be any colder.
00:32:32
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody is just oh yeah, no, we don't talk
00:32:35
to you.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know that was the instruction,
00:32:39
because I know it was.
00:32:41
Tells them, don't talk to them.
00:32:43
Remember what it was like your first day.
00:32:45
Other foreshadowing was Jim, you know, saying before all this
00:32:50
, and then the flat tires by Ethan.
00:32:54
And then Julie gets up.
00:32:56
He's still sitting at the table watching it you know his iPad
00:33:00
and she's and they're talking about the crows.
00:33:03
And she says you know, they come into your room at night and
00:33:07
they crawl into your sheets and they package your face and your
00:33:11
eyes and you know she terrifies him.
00:33:13
And then I'm looking at her t-shirt and it's a bunny with a
00:33:20
third eye.
00:33:21
I know we've noticed it before, but you know we're taking note
00:33:26
of all these things.
00:33:27
So if there's a third eye, you have to see what you can't
00:33:33
physically see, and and that's what that message is there's
00:33:37
more here than what you actually see.
00:33:40
Continue.
00:33:42
Speaker 1: Now, while this is going on, I'm gonna jump back a
00:33:47
little bit, not not a little bit , but the sheriff after after
00:33:51
everybody, after the two people die, the sheriff wants to go up
00:33:57
to the place that he was looking with the binoculars and and
00:34:01
this is the first time we get to see your girlfriend, donna, my
00:34:06
F, your BFF, that you.
00:34:08
Speaker 2: BFF Donna, did you see that picture of her on
00:34:10
Instagram?
00:34:11
It was.
00:34:13
Speaker 1: Which one?
00:34:14
The one that she looks fabulous in?
00:34:16
Yes, oh my god, I loved it and then she had another one with
00:34:22
her, her boyfriend as well, but we're not gonna talk about him
00:34:25
just yet, because that's next season.
00:34:27
Yeah, so yeah she.
00:34:28
I love this interaction because , again, we're still in the what
00:34:32
the freak is going on Mom moment, and it's out there
00:34:38
planting we get.
00:34:40
Speaker 2: We find out in that interaction between her and boy
00:34:45
that she is the boss of colony house.
00:34:48
Speaker 1: We have an arrangement.
00:34:50
I've come to see my son.
00:34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it's all sorts of arrangements there, but
00:34:55
we find out at that point that she runs colony house, that
00:35:00
she's in charge.
00:35:01
What she says goes if she says boy can't go in, boy does not go
00:35:05
again.
00:35:06
But for whatever reason, we don't know.
00:35:09
You know, even in season two.
00:35:12
We don't know the extent or how Volatile it was when Boyd and
00:35:21
Ellis parted.
00:35:22
We just know that it had to do with Boyd shooting Abby and
00:35:28
Ellis gets away from Boyd and the only place he can go is to
00:35:34
Just decided and when they introduce Ellis, I think it's
00:35:38
just kind of.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: You know, this place is really kind of.
00:35:41
I just keep thinking Woodstock.
00:35:43
I don't know why, but it's kind of like that.
00:35:47
Speaker 2: It's like not a free-for-all, it's just be
00:35:50
yourself here you know, be comfortable.
00:35:53
Speaker 1: And the only like light in this whole tunnel Comes
00:35:58
from the two pieces of eye candy that are Ellis and Fatima,
00:36:03
and they have their little moment.
00:36:04
And he had, of course, says the right thing, you know, and I
00:36:08
put it up on the screen here.
00:36:09
You're like a poem make everything around here beautiful
00:36:12
, even this place.
00:36:14
Yeah, and I think yeah and I think that there's something to
00:36:18
be said for that, because Fatima Really is a ray of sunshine.
00:36:24
I mean, she's Right in this season.
00:36:28
She is old, she has been the most uplifting person in the
00:36:32
support of person in the place.
00:36:34
She's getting her picture painted by Ellis and this really
00:36:38
kind of program, you know, sexy way.
00:36:40
But what I find really interesting is when you know
00:36:46
Boyd comes in, she like embraces them with open arms.
00:36:50
Share, stevens.
00:36:51
You know you need to come by more where, moments before you
00:36:55
still get out, yeah, I mean, that's part of it.
00:37:00
Speaker 2: She, she doesn't have Between her and him what Ellis
00:37:05
and Boyd have.
00:37:06
Of course doesn't.
00:37:08
She does not want to further drive that wedge between well it
00:37:12
well as Ellis and Boyd, but there were some things that of
00:37:19
course I was noticing, because I'm trying to find clues in
00:37:23
everything Ellis is doing charcoal drawings of Fatima, and
00:37:29
there are charcoal drawings throughout that room, if you
00:37:33
notice, yes, and he's got this medallion Around his neck and it
00:37:40
looks like a fir tree.
00:37:42
You know, when Boyd comes in there's a lampshade and I have
00:37:48
to go back and compare the two because I thought they might be
00:37:51
the same pattern.
00:37:52
They're not, they just look like they're in the same family
00:37:56
in a sense, right, and I'm wondering what the purpose of
00:38:00
this medallion could actually be .
00:38:03
But the, of course, I'm like looking at the style of the
00:38:09
artwork and I'm like I wonder if that's Jack Bender's work.
00:38:12
You know, yeah, so much of it.
00:38:14
And if you look at the actual drawing, it is different from
00:38:20
the way that Fatima was posing, because In the drawing it looks
00:38:27
like she has like a bathing suit top or something on and the
00:38:30
shirt is open, but where she's sitting and the rose is in a
00:38:34
different position.
00:38:35
But when she's sitting at the window, you know, she just has
00:38:40
the shirt on and the roses, you know, across her lap or whatever
00:38:44
in her arm.
00:38:45
It's not up like this, you know .
00:38:48
But that window, if I'm not mistaken, is the same window
00:38:54
that she shows the town to Julie through, but it's also to get
00:39:00
married.
00:39:01
Oh yeah, where they get married.
00:39:03
So it is.
00:39:06
You know you're thinking about it and that window represents
00:39:14
some sense of hope in this story that you know good things can
00:39:21
happen.
00:39:21
It's not, as it does not have to be as dark and dire, you know
00:39:28
, as we see everything the interesting thing, not the
00:39:32
interesting thing.
00:39:33
But you know Boyd is up there telling Ellis about what
00:39:37
happened to Lauren and Megan and that you know he wants him to
00:39:42
come to the funeral and I think you know Ellis wants to.
00:39:48
He just doesn't want anything to do with his dad and yeah, I'm
00:39:52
remembering when the RV first stops and Everyone turns the
00:39:57
look.
00:39:58
It was like a little Scene out of a real horror movie where it
00:40:06
just looked like everyone turned around at the same time and
00:40:09
they just had this.
00:40:10
You know, scary town, look on their face at the strangers that
00:40:15
were coming in and you know, jim is even like only you know.
00:40:19
I don't know if he said fuck, but he could have, he probably
00:40:23
could have Shut up, but yeah.
00:40:29
We get our introduction to Donna and Fatima and Ellis through
00:40:34
that little exchange.
00:40:35
So then it's back to the RV where they're lost, without the
00:40:41
Wi-Fi signal and See they've gone to the town.
00:40:42
Boyd says you all remember what it was like for you.
00:40:47
And then Boyd and Kenny handle it and at that point like this
00:40:50
is the last time before they're stuck that they make the, they
00:40:58
interact with Jim Right and just kind of send them on his way.
00:41:06
But Nathan Sarah you know the last time they come through
00:41:12
they're, they see Sarah and she's walking down the street
00:41:16
and they ask her, and she just keeps walking.
00:41:18
I mean, sarah, she was normal in the diner.
00:41:21
She was normal, yeah, but that Like when she's walking down the
00:41:28
street.
00:41:28
She's walking down the street, yeah, but that like when she's
00:41:34
walking down the street, it's like she became creepy at that
00:41:38
point and then she's creepy for the remainder.
00:41:40
But so she gets to her house and Nathan's coming out.
00:41:44
He's gonna get you know, go over to the barn and tend to the
00:41:47
animals.
00:41:48
And she Comments about the new people.
00:41:53
And I don't know, I don't know.
00:41:56
I know new people is not a creepy term, but it sure does
00:42:00
sound like it when she says it.
00:42:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, she, she's got an agenda or some kind.
00:42:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't know that.
00:42:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying .
00:42:08
Speaker 2: I know it's fun to look at her knowing what we know
00:42:12
, you know right.
00:42:14
She's she.
00:42:15
The only time she doesn't really seem ill at ease is when
00:42:20
she's working in the diner.
00:42:21
She seems to be self-possessed there, and then when she's
00:42:25
talking to Nathan.
00:42:26
Anytime she's interacting with anybody else, it's kind of like
00:42:30
she's a double agent that's not hiding it very well.
00:42:33
The RV passes over the tracks a second time and then Tabitha
00:42:38
says it's like the switchback, which I hadn't heard that term
00:42:43
before and I did look it up in the dictionary and it's talking
00:42:46
about STR turns and yeah, and it's talking about getting back
00:42:54
on another.
00:42:54
You make a U-turn to get back on track and stuff like that,
00:42:59
and they start fighting Jim and Tabitha because she says you're
00:43:04
going too fast and he's I'm not going fast.
00:43:06
And then the scene is like he's driving and I'm like Kyle looks
00:43:13
like he's going fast.
00:43:14
Speaker 1: They're just having a lovely family moment.
00:43:18
Speaker 2: Like a little marital spat, right.
00:43:20
So then at one point he's I'm going like 20 miles an hour.
00:43:25
You know what he's like, crawling along and they're like
00:43:28
looking for a sign.
00:43:29
They're wondering if they've missed the turnoff and I'm just
00:43:33
like I mean you've been lost and driving right.
00:43:37
Speaker 1: There's a unwritten rule in our car when we get all
00:43:43
crazy like that, it's alright, everybody be quiet or I'm turn
00:43:46
this around.
00:43:47
You know, you just have to break the tension.
00:43:49
Yeah, but along with all that tension, first the worst sister
00:43:56
in the whole entire world has to scare the Pajangas out of her
00:44:00
poor little brother by talking about crows and how they're
00:44:05
going to eat his eyes out and everything else.
00:44:07
And wait, that's not the best part.
00:44:09
The dictionary really screws with us on this one.
00:44:13
Because it's true, like a group of crows is a murder of crows.
00:44:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:44:19
Speaker 1: And then wait, so to think of that being bad, okay,
00:44:24
fine.
00:44:24
But then the mom thinks, oh, this is even better, because I'm
00:44:29
going to give it to my daughter that it was really a bunch of
00:44:33
ravens, which is a group of unkindness, because she's unkind
00:44:38
, but when you think about it it's all bad.
00:44:42
Speaker 2: It's not good yeah.
00:44:43
Speaker 1: Out of all the groups that you could have thought of,
00:44:46
ravens are not the freaking thing you want to be thinking
00:44:50
about.
00:44:50
Speaker 2: You think about Edgar Allen Poe?
00:44:52
Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm just thinking like.
00:44:54
It's not positive.
00:44:57
Yeah, they're not dealing with exactly the most sane groups,
00:45:02
but you know, as they're doing it, I mean I like to call this
00:45:05
part you know the wheels going round and round.
00:45:07
You know the wheels on the RV going round and they just keep
00:45:10
getting more and more pissed.
00:45:11
And everybody knows what's going on, except for that, yeah,
00:45:14
and then you know.
00:45:16
Speaker 2: That's the worst part , like when everyone knows and
00:45:19
no one tells you.
00:45:20
Have you ever had that happen?
00:45:22
You?
00:45:22
Speaker 1: know it's the story of my life.
00:45:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everyone, like your boyfriend is cheating,
00:45:27
everyone knows, but no one tells you.
00:45:31
And you're walking around and then you find out and you're
00:45:34
like, oh my god, I look like such an asshole all this time
00:45:39
because everyone knew I was getting screwed over, but no one
00:45:42
told me.
00:45:43
And then you don't want to talk to any of your friends ever
00:45:46
again.
00:45:47
Speaker 1: I've never had that happen, but okay.
00:45:50
Speaker 2: Me either.
00:45:51
Speaker 1: Right me either.
00:45:53
Speaker 2: But at any rate.
00:45:54
So this is their last trip into town and they've had it.
00:45:59
So Jim like, whips the RV around and then Barrel asses out
00:46:03
of there.
00:46:04
Now he's driving fast and then we see the Audi come over the
00:46:11
you know the horizon, and that's Toby and Jade.
00:46:15
And Jim and Tabitha are kind of fighting and all of a sudden
00:46:20
that's because they're gonna go head on into each other.
00:46:23
I don't know what Toby was thinking.
00:46:24
So this brings about the crash.
00:46:28
Toby and Jade go into a bunch of trees and we don't know if
00:46:33
they actually saw the tree across the road.
00:46:36
We don't know that right.
00:46:38
Toby.
00:46:38
That's why Toby was driving fast.
00:46:40
He was just as frustrated, but no one knows that there was a
00:46:45
second car at that point.
00:46:47
Until Toby gets back and he meets up with Boyden Kenny at
00:46:53
the spike strip, the RV goes off the side of the road down into
00:47:00
a ditch and lands on its side and it was like every.
00:47:06
I did rewind it because I was trying to figure a few things
00:47:09
out, but the stunt person for Julie way on the other side,
00:47:16
right Tabitha, and actually I broke this down, and because
00:47:23
they are all in its particular positions and I want to talk
00:47:28
about this.
00:47:30
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:47:31
Speaker 2: So Jim is in the driver's seat right and to me
00:47:36
I'm looking at it, I'm like what is stopping him from just
00:47:41
undoing his seatbelt and there's just a tree and just sliding
00:47:46
under it or going up?
00:47:47
But Jim is awake and he's trapped.
00:47:51
Speaker 1: Right.
00:47:51
Speaker 2: And let me get through this, because all of
00:47:55
this relates.
00:47:56
Speaker 1: I'm not saying or.
00:47:57
Speaker 2: Okay, tabitha is unconscious and I'm just calling
00:48:02
her loose.
00:48:02
She's just floating in a sense, because she's up against the
00:48:05
door.
00:48:06
It wouldn't matter if her seatbelt is on or not.
00:48:09
Ethan, he's in and out of consciousness and he's impaled
00:48:14
and stuck to something like the new floor right.
00:48:19
And then Julie, she's conscious , but she's loose as well.
00:48:25
Jim knows that they've been through a family trauma.
00:48:31
He wants to help his family but he can't.
00:48:35
He's trapped where he is.
00:48:37
Tabitha she's checked out.
00:48:42
You know like she will come up against this, but she is stuck
00:48:49
at the loss of her child and this comes up a couple times in
00:48:54
the story or in this episode.
00:48:56
But she's basically she's checked out and she's stuck in
00:49:00
her own way.
00:49:01
Julie is now moving through life in pain, like her little
00:49:09
baby brother is dead, and it's like she wants to torment Ethan,
00:49:16
almost to create a separation between the two of them, because
00:49:21
if something happens to Ethan, she won't feel it as much.
00:49:25
Speaker 1: Not her fault, yeah.
00:49:29
Speaker 2: And that you know.
00:49:29
I mean, yeah, she's a teenager and she's gonna be a little bit
00:49:32
bratty, but I feel like she's got extra momentum because, yeah
00:49:39
, like I can see the poking here and there, but she just seems
00:49:42
to be a little bit more antagonizing, more cruel than
00:49:47
she really needs to be.
00:49:49
But you could tell she's a good kid at heart, right.
00:49:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's going through her growing pains,
00:49:54
I mean but she's also dealing with the death.
00:49:57
Speaker 2: This is how they're all dealing with the death of
00:50:00
this kid.
00:50:00
And then there's Ethan.
00:50:02
Ethan is stuck.
00:50:04
He is stuck being a little kid and learning about the world and
00:50:11
not fully understanding what everything means.
00:50:15
Like, what is death, you know?
00:50:19
Like we know, that the parents this is their last family trip
00:50:25
before they get a divorce, but he doesn't know what's coming.
00:50:29
Julie suspects it, but Ethan just doesn't know what's coming
00:50:34
Like his world has already been uprooted by the death of his
00:50:38
infant brother, but they still have each other, you know.
00:50:42
So now my life solidifies with these three other people.
00:50:47
And now you know, he's just stuck.
00:50:50
He's stuck where he's at.
00:50:52
So that was my analysis of all of that.
00:50:55
And Jim keeps reaching out to Tabitha, but he can't reach her,
00:51:01
like his arm isn't long enough and he can't, like, he can't
00:51:05
touch her, and he keeps reaching out to her over and over.
00:51:09
So that's what I had.
00:51:13
And then the interesting thing too is that who gets out?
00:51:17
First Julie gets out and then Tabitha gets out, while Jim
00:51:24
stays with Ethan until Christie comes.
00:51:27
But anyway, let's return.
00:51:34
Speaker 1: Okay, so no, I know I'm thinking about what you said
00:51:38
, because we didn't talk about this before.
00:51:41
Speaker 2: No, like this was something that.
00:51:43
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating.
00:51:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, like really funny is that if the writers
00:51:50
never even thought about that?
00:51:52
Speaker 1: Well, in your opinion , the writers have thought about
00:51:55
everything, because every little bit like this shirt,
00:52:00
because the black represents something.
00:52:02
Right, that angle the angle of your lunchbox in the background
00:52:10
is at a 45 degree angle, which is how old the lunchbox really
00:52:15
is.
00:52:15
But what's interesting enough is I really think that's
00:52:21
something that I don't think many people have actually talked
00:52:23
about which is the positioning of the people in that RV, in the
00:52:29
relationship, where the positioning of them emotionally
00:52:33
and I think there's a lot to be said for that but what I do want
00:52:36
to jump ahead or back.
00:52:38
Yeah, back to Toby.
00:52:40
Yeah, exactly, it's like a head , but it's back.
00:52:43
So Toby gets to the hospital.
00:52:46
Speaker 2: Oh, wait a minute, he gets out of the car.
00:52:49
Right, he gets out of the car and he means he gets out of the
00:52:51
car and immediately throws up because he's got a head injury
00:52:55
up here, right, it is like flip flop oh my God, I just hate flip
00:53:00
flops.
00:53:00
But his flip flop is on crooked and he goes down and runs into
00:53:05
Boyd and Kenny and he's asking for help and I think Boyd I mean
00:53:13
Boyd and Kenny don't know exactly how many people are in
00:53:17
that RV, they only saw the four.
00:53:20
For all he knows, there could be two guys sitting in the back
00:53:24
right, there could be a whole post of people.
00:53:26
Speaker 1: But no, he does know.
00:53:27
He does know in the sense of because Kenny says to him is
00:53:31
that the guy from the car?
00:53:32
He's, no, he's with his family.
00:53:34
Now it's a good assumption, but at the same time, yeah.
00:53:38
So he ends up going, but then I just want to jump to it.
00:53:43
Speaker 2: But they say there's two hours of daylight left.
00:53:47
Speaker 1: Right.
00:53:48
Speaker 2: And they weren't counting on this.
00:53:50
Speaker 1: And what I want to do is I want to kind of wrap up
00:53:52
Toby for a second.
00:53:53
He goes to the hospital and takes care of him, and then he
00:53:58
meets.
00:53:58
You know, dr Kvorkian, and this is where we first spoke.
00:54:03
Speaker 2: Kvorkian, though, was doing what the person wanted.
00:54:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so sorry.
00:54:08
So, marilyn Manson, I can't think of a hand of a lector, but
00:54:12
the thing that is so important is she says this isn't your
00:54:18
fault, clink, and they killed him.
00:54:22
Speaker 2: But there's more to it than that, because he's
00:54:25
laying there and she comes in.
00:54:27
I mean, he's in a strange place , right he?
00:54:30
Doesn't know.
00:54:31
And he's in this little weird makeshift clinic.
00:54:34
She comes in and pours him some water, brings him the water you
00:54:39
know, not a big deal, yeah.
00:54:42
She sits down and he asks us if everyone is okay and she says I
00:54:48
don't think so.
00:54:48
And then he starts to freak out and she looks at him and then
00:54:54
she kisses him on the lips like this Not super passionate, but
00:55:00
it was a charged kiss and then she says this isn't your fault
00:55:07
and you're like this.
00:55:10
What are you talking about?
00:55:11
His last thought is like what?
00:55:14
And then she stabs him, she goes up underneath and gets his
00:55:19
tongue.
00:55:20
I know it looked like it was like with the end of a file,
00:55:26
like a file shank, like a wood file shank, and she just looks
00:55:34
at him and he dies and I'm like we don't know what she means at
00:55:41
this point.
00:55:42
Speaker 1: And in some cases we still don't know what she means.
00:55:45
Speaker 2: No, I mean we have an idea and that's it.
00:55:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she has been the, she's been a very
00:55:55
interesting character to say the least.
00:55:58
But you know, that said, now we get the people out of the voice
00:56:10
.
00:56:10
Alice to Jade right, Because before that there is one scene.
00:56:14
There is one thing that I do want to talk about, but the fact
00:56:17
that Alice is giving his respects at the grave.
00:56:21
Yeah, and they're all going to get to go and help everybody and
00:56:26
they're like you know, there's people in need.
00:56:29
It's your father.
00:56:30
He needs your help.
00:56:31
Right, and then he thinks about it before he jumps in and then
00:56:35
he jumps in and they all run out there and they do their thing.
00:56:38
And I love the when they meet Jade, because he's so frigging
00:56:42
on whatever he's on, and you have a beautiful face too.
00:56:45
The father country.
00:56:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're all so beautiful.
00:56:49
He is tripping, he's so tripping, and then, when Boyd
00:56:55
comes up, just immediately handcuffs him to the car.
00:56:59
Speaker 1: Oh I know, I love it.
00:57:01
Speaker 2: You know, and Christie's just treating him and
00:57:03
he's just seeing a woman so beautiful, as you before.
00:57:07
Like I don't know if I want what he is on, but it's nice
00:57:14
that it's some good stuff, whatever it is.
00:57:17
But we're also leaving out something that's super important
00:57:22
, because Christie and Boyd are back at the RV.
00:57:27
Boyd tells Christie that there's a little boy with his
00:57:32
leg impaled inside and Kenny yells there's only 40 minutes of
00:57:37
daylight left.
00:57:38
And you know Boyd is trying to figure out with Christie what
00:57:43
are we going to do?
00:57:44
And he's can you do it in there ?
00:57:45
And then he pulls out the talisman.
00:57:48
So he had picked the talisman up off of the floor from the
00:57:52
Pratt house and put it in his pocket and so he had the
00:57:58
talisman with him.
00:57:59
You know how you do something sometimes and you don't realize
00:58:03
that this little thing that you did comes in handy later on.
00:58:07
He didn't realize that he would be needing that talisman.
00:58:11
He was probably just picking it up so he could keep inventory
00:58:15
of it, you know.
00:58:16
So she is.
00:58:19
We're going to do it.
00:58:20
I'll get the, you know, I'll get the kid freed, you know.
00:58:24
And so Boyd brings Jim out to talk to Tabitha and then Boyd
00:58:31
tries to explain that he tells Jim, tells Tabitha about Ethan,
00:58:37
boyd tries to explain that Tabitha and Julie need to go to
00:58:41
town because the woods are not safe at night, and Boyd says he
00:58:46
doesn't want to bury any more children.
00:58:48
And hold on, I got some notes about that, the Oxford Ark.
00:58:56
Boyd has the talisman, blah, blah, blah.
00:59:00
She's going to.
00:59:02
This whole thing is completely untried.
00:59:05
And Christy gets right to work on stabilizing Ethan, and that's
00:59:10
when Boyd pulls Jim outside and so they're sitting together and
00:59:16
it's Jim, boyd, tabitha and Julie, and Boyd says the woods
00:59:22
are not safe after dark and Boyd tells Jim that he doesn't want
00:59:27
to bury any more kids.
00:59:28
Like that is a lot to say without any explanation.
00:59:35
Boyd doesn't want to spend any time explaining because they
00:59:40
don't have any time and they've just.
00:59:43
You know, this family's just been through a traumatic event
00:59:46
that is not anywhere near being over and Boyd drops those two
00:59:52
bombs.
00:59:52
He doesn't know what it means.
00:59:53
He they know that they were at a funeral today, but he doesn't
00:59:57
know who the funeral was for.
01:00:00
He sends Ellis to free Jade and get him back to town.
01:00:05
And if he acts up to just knock out you know Ellis, you know not
01:00:10
Ellis, jade and Tabitha, when you know Boyd is saying all
01:00:15
right, Jim's gonna stay here, but Tabitha and Julie have to go
01:00:20
back to town.
01:00:21
Tabitha says my baby is in there, my baby's in there, I'm
01:00:26
not going anywhere.
01:00:27
And she calls.
01:00:29
She says you know, I am not leaving without Thomas and this
01:00:33
is another instance where she's not fully in the present, that
01:00:41
she is still a grieving mother because Jim has to correct her.
01:00:45
And so they leave with Kenny.
01:00:50
Jim goes into the RV with Christie and with Christie.
01:00:55
Christie's already there with Boyd and Jim goes and Christie
01:01:02
has Jim come and stabilize Ethan's head.
01:01:06
Ethan starts to seize as soon as she starts not, she hasn't
01:01:11
actually started, but she's getting ready to start to.
01:01:13
You know free Ethan, and as Ethan is seizing, he's holding
01:01:22
out the window Boyd's oh, wait a minute, hold on a sec, one sec.
01:01:26
Because he asked for the blanket from Jim when Jim got over at
01:01:32
that end of the RV.
01:01:33
So Jim just gives it to him and Jim is holding on to Ethan and
01:01:40
Ethan is seizing.
01:01:41
He sees the talisman in the window and he said that looks
01:01:45
weird.
01:01:46
All right, so the woods aren't safe after dark.
01:01:48
You ask for a blanket, you're hanging a talisman and then
01:01:52
you're hanging that window I mean that blanket across the
01:01:56
windows and Christie says Christie is, jim wants answers.
01:02:03
Boyd doesn't have time to give answers because the light, you
01:02:07
know, is going away.
01:02:08
And Christie says I have you covered the windows?
01:02:12
Yet have you covered the windows?
01:02:13
And he looks out the window and sees some coming and then
01:02:20
covers it over with the blanket and then the shrieking starts
01:02:25
and we're at the end of the episode and he says they're
01:02:31
coming.
01:02:31
Doesn't he say they're coming?
01:02:33
I think yeah, he says they're coming and we get the scene from
01:02:39
the outside and it's raining.
01:02:41
Is your mic working?
01:02:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're fine.
01:02:48
Speaker 2: Okay, I just saw you hitting it, so it's like pouring
01:02:51
on the outside and I'm like I wonder if it was pouring for
01:02:55
real or if they had brought in the sprinklers.
01:02:58
But then we see the truck and it's barreling down the road and
01:03:06
it goes over the spike strip.
01:03:09
Speaker 1: Which they just love to yell at each other about.
01:03:12
Dude, we don't have time for this.
01:03:15
And then they're all kind of running and they're like run as
01:03:18
fast as you can, don't stop for anybody.
01:03:20
And then it goes to black.
01:03:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's scary right.
01:03:27
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you as a pilot episode, it got
01:03:32
me going, I mean it got me going again.
01:03:37
Speaker 2: Oh, tabitha says one more thing.
01:03:41
When she's sitting outside she says I don't trust these people.
01:03:48
There's something really weird.
01:03:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:03:52
Speaker 2: So that was in my foreshadowing list, but yeah,
01:03:59
but that pilot just really stands up.
01:04:04
I think is it like three years since I've seen it.
01:04:08
Speaker 1: It might be.
01:04:09
Speaker 2: It might be.
01:04:13
Speaker 1: Now I do want to.
01:04:15
Did you have any other thoughts about the episode?
01:04:18
Speaker 2: until we get some music and other stuff, Let me
01:04:20
just double check and make sure Mr Lou says when Toby comes in.
01:04:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is like him.
01:04:28
Yeah, I don't like you.
01:04:29
Speaker 2: And the mess he made.
01:04:31
So it makes me wonder if, whatever the voices are that
01:04:38
communicate with Sarah, might be communicating with him.
01:04:42
So I think that was all the notes that I had that are
01:04:53
underlined.
01:04:54
Speaker 1: All the notes that are fit to print.
01:04:56
Speaker 2: Yeah so.
01:04:58
I'm going to need to move on to .
01:05:01
Oh, wait a minute.
01:05:02
This is also what, and I didn't make this list, but I also want
01:05:08
to try and create a timeline and a location for everybody as
01:05:16
to when they arrived, because we do get some clues along the way
01:05:19
, but the only things that we know right now are that the
01:05:25
Matthews family Jayden Toby arrived on this day and they're
01:05:30
the last ones in.
01:05:32
Speaker 1: Right.
01:05:32
Speaker 2: And the Matthews have an Arizona plate and Jayden
01:05:39
Toby have a New York plate and Christie and Kenny discussed
01:05:45
Sarah and Nathan whether or not they also had a New York plate,
01:05:52
but they settle on Boston.
01:05:54
That is something else that I want to talk about and we never
01:05:59
mentioned Frank in the bar in how Tom also touched the
01:06:04
talisman.
01:06:05
I didn't want to leave them out .
01:06:06
We love our read.
01:06:08
Speaker 1: We love our read.
01:06:09
All right, I think we're going to take another break, just so
01:06:13
that when we get back we'll talk about music and then there's
01:06:16
another.
01:06:17
I want to talk about the title a little bit more and then
01:06:19
anything else that you want to wrap up with.
01:06:21
Is that okay?
01:06:23
Speaker 2: Sure.
01:06:24
Speaker 1: Good, and we're back.
01:06:30
Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with the title.
01:06:36
Speaker 1: Okay, the title.
01:06:36
Okay the title of the show.
01:06:38
No the series theme which is K-Sara.
01:06:44
Okay, k-sara.
01:06:46
Speaker 2: And it is covered by the incredible, like
01:06:55
incomparable, pixies from Boston .
01:06:59
And I just remember and I've talked about it before how I
01:07:05
fell in love with them.
01:07:06
I saw the Pixies at the Paradise Rock Club on.
01:07:10
Is it ComF?
01:07:12
No, I don't think it's ComF.
01:07:14
I can't think of the name of the street.
01:07:16
I know if you pass Ellis the Rimman, you have gone too far.
01:07:21
At any rate, they played at the Paradise Rock Club, which you
01:07:26
too played there Like.
01:07:28
I think it was 1982, right before they blew up, and they
01:07:34
mentioned it in Party Girl.
01:07:36
I think that they are there.
01:07:39
But anyway, the Pixies is one of the quintessential not new wave
01:07:46
, but oh God, what was that music I just so loved?
01:07:49
All of a sudden I'm drawing a total blank.
01:07:51
But you know, they inspired bands like Nirvana, and Black
01:07:57
Francis was the lead singer and then Joey Santiago was the lead
01:08:04
guitarist and he was amazing.
01:08:08
And then Kim Deal was also the bass player and she was vocals.
01:08:13
She went on to found the band the breeders, and then Dave
01:08:19
Levering was the drums, plays drums.
01:08:22
But at any rate, looking through this song, why do you
01:08:28
think?
01:08:29
Or what do you think?
01:08:31
Why and what do you think this song means to the show.
01:08:36
What is it trying to say to you ?
01:08:39
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, first off, that anything is
01:08:43
possible and that, whether after listening to both versions, the
01:08:49
Doris Day and the Pixies version that I thought at first
01:08:55
it was going to be Boyd and possibly Victor's journey, or
01:09:02
maybe even Jim, but it could just be any, it could be all of
01:09:07
their journeys.
01:09:08
Speaker 2: You know, I will say, you know, when you hear the
01:09:13
Dars Day version, which we all probably grew up with, or yeah,
01:09:20
other things like that brushing my hair in the morning like the
01:09:25
first and second grade and giving me banana curls and then
01:09:29
smoking her cigarette behind me while she's drinking her coffee.
01:09:34
Speaker 1: But the point being is.
01:09:35
The point being is you hear that and then you hear this
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version and they change the words just a little bit and
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you're like whoa, this is.
01:09:43
I mean, we didn't even realize it was the, you know the pixies.
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Speaker 2: I know I feel so stupid.
01:09:50
I know I feel so stupid.
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I'd never looked into it and the thing is that it was never a
01:09:57
secret that it was the pixies.
01:09:59
It was always right there in the credits.
01:10:02
I just never thought to look because you know why, and I told
01:10:07
you this, I always fast forwarded through the
01:10:11
introduction of the show, the opening credits, Always, and I
01:10:15
didn't start watching it, I think, until you said something
01:10:21
about the drawings.
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And I'm like, I remember drawings but I don't know what
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you're talking about.
01:10:25
And I went back and I watched it, but it's just when Doris Day
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sings it.
01:10:34
For me it's full of hope and possibilities.
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And then listening to Black Francis sing it his voice
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doesn't say that to me.
01:10:49
And there's many covers of this song.
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Pink Martini has a cover and, yeah, they change the words, but
01:10:59
it's, I think it's more about moving the different stanzas
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around and not singing them all or singing them in the same
01:11:11
order.
01:11:11
They move it to suit the message that they're trying to
01:11:15
put out there and this whole thing is k-s-r-a-s-r-a To me.
01:11:24
It just says what will be, what is the message of this song in
01:11:33
reference to this show, which makes me feel hopeless, Meaning,
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I have no way to affect change on my situation, I'm trapped.
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That's what it said to me when I was looking at this.
01:11:53
There's just whatever's going to happen, it's going to happen,
01:11:57
and to me it just felt a little bit preordained.
01:12:03
Moving on.
01:12:07
We got our first go ahead, sorry.
01:12:10
Speaker 1: I was going to say.
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Speaker 2: the other song that we need to really talk about is
01:12:14
we gotta get out of this place If this last thing we ever do.
01:12:20
Another song we grew up with.
01:12:26
Speaker 1: And it plays kind of interestingly enough, because
01:12:30
you think that when you first hear it, when the jukebox starts
01:12:33
going off, oh, it's just kind of TV stuff.
01:12:37
But no, in this place the radio just goes off.
01:12:40
And I just want to.
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It's on the radio, it's the jukebox.
01:12:44
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, jukebox, because there's the other radio
01:12:47
that all of a sudden they'll be static.
01:12:49
Speaker 1: Well, we're not going to talk about that.
01:12:50
Speaker 2: Yet this song plays in the second scene of the show,
01:12:56
right, or the second vignette, because we have Boyd with the
01:13:00
bell.
01:13:00
But then when they cut to the diner, when Sarah pushes it not
01:13:06
pushes but ushers everyone out, locks the door, touches the
01:13:10
talisman, then the jukebox plays .
01:13:13
Speaker 1: So looking at the lyrics, it just goes.
01:13:17
I know everybody probably knows them, but you probably don't.
01:13:19
Actually, If you read them it kind of makes sense In this
01:13:23
dirty part of the city where the sun refuses to shine.
01:13:28
People tell me I'm not singing.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead.
01:13:37
Speaker 1: People tell me there ain't no use in trying.
01:13:40
Now, my girl, you're so young and pretty and one thing I know
01:13:46
is true won't be dead before your time is due.
01:13:50
I know, watch my daddy in bed a dyin' Now I mean, yes, it goes
01:13:57
on, but that's kind of like the whole first scene.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I did was I numbered all the lines, just
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so I could break it apart a little bit.
01:14:07
To me, line one in this dirty old part of the city, by the way
01:14:14
, there's 38 lines.
01:14:15
I'm not going to talk about all 38.
01:14:18
Speaker 1: You sure I'm sorry because it's only been an hour
01:14:20
and a half.
01:14:21
Speaker 2: We're almost there.
01:14:22
Speaker 1: For a real watch.
01:14:23
I'm almost done.
01:14:25
Speaker 2: I'm almost done too.
01:14:26
It's just there's a lot of repetition.
01:14:28
But line one in this dirty old part of the city To me, the
01:14:34
dirty old part of the city is often left behind, it's hidden
01:14:38
away, it's forgotten and considered lost.
01:14:41
So that's line one.
01:14:45
Line three people tell me there ain't no use in trying.
01:14:50
To me that's all about hopelessness of being trapped in
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fromville.
01:14:55
Line four now my girl, you're so young and pretty, it doesn't
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matter who you are.
01:15:02
Even the pretty girl dies right .
01:15:05
Line six you'll be dead before your time is due.
01:15:09
You'll die in inevitable, horrific death.
01:15:13
Line seven and eight watch my daddy in bed, adi, and watch his
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hair been turning gray.
01:15:23
They're all there to die.
01:15:25
It's the only way out is death.
01:15:28
Line nine he's been working and slaving his life away.
01:15:34
Oh, yes, I know it.
01:15:36
No matter what, there is no escape.
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Like death is the only escape.
01:15:42
They can do anything they want, try anything they want.
01:15:46
There is no way out.
01:15:48
Lines 13, 14, 15, if it's the last thing we ever do, we got to
01:15:55
get out of this place because, girls, there's a better place, a
01:16:00
better life for me and you.
01:16:01
They must fight to survive and escape to the last breath, but
01:16:07
they're not getting out.
01:16:08
That's all that says to me.
01:16:11
So lines 29 through 30, girl, there's a better life for me and
01:16:15
you somewhere, baby, somehow I know it.
01:16:19
Baby, we got to get out of this place, no matter the fault with
01:16:23
the world.
01:16:24
It is better than being trapped in Farmville.
01:16:27
So, basically, it's all about how they're trapped there and
01:16:35
they're never getting out, ever.
01:16:38
That is my conclusion.
01:16:42
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see.
01:16:44
The last thing that we do want to talk about, or I wanted to
01:16:48
talk about, was the title, and, speaking with everyone that
01:16:57
we've spoken to for the past year, things don't happen for a
01:17:01
reason.
01:17:01
The writers, the director and the creators are all veterans,
01:17:08
so they have a sense of history.
01:17:10
A long day's journey into night .
01:17:13
Speaker 2: What type of history are you talking about?
01:17:17
Speaker 1: Just all kinds of history, tv play, whatever.
01:17:20
One of the greatest playwrights , eugene O'Neill.
01:17:25
That was the title.
01:17:29
Speaker 2: A long journey into night.
01:17:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to deal to 20th century American family
01:17:38
based in.
01:17:39
It's a single day in August of 1912.
01:17:43
It's set in a cottage, a Monte Cristo cottage, similar to the
01:17:49
colony house.
01:17:50
Now it's not seaside but it is in Connecticut.
01:17:53
There's four main characters and you've got an older brother,
01:17:59
their parents, you've got the characters in there and the
01:18:04
parents are blaming the two sons .
01:18:08
So there is there's a lot of bitterness and jealousy and the
01:18:16
bottom line, folks, is there is a lot to this show and I'm going
01:18:23
to go back.
01:18:23
I mean, I haven't had a chance to go back and really do a deep
01:18:26
dive on that because I can't even remember the last time I
01:18:28
saw it, but you may want to take a look at it because it may be
01:18:33
a precursor or it may give us some little senses.
01:18:36
I know everybody loves you know this explains everything.
01:18:40
This explains everything.
01:18:41
We don't have a clue and it could be something as simple as
01:18:46
going, as I said from the beginning, we're going back,
01:18:49
we're going way back and it could be an old trope, but we're
01:18:53
going to have to find out.
01:18:54
That being said, you have any other notes?
01:19:01
Speaker 2: No, I'm excited to go on to episode two.
01:19:05
Speaker 1: All right, folks.
01:19:06
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