47. FROM MGM+ Deep Dive Rewatch (S.1 Ep.1): Breakdown, Theories & more "The Long Day's Journey Into Night"

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My name is Alex and I'm Lizzie and today we are back and better

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This is what is Fromcast, and we are going back way back to

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the beginning of time and we are going to be talking about

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episode one, season one, the long days, journeys night, and I

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still remember that first meeting that we had talking

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about this, and I still can't believe that we are talking

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about it into season three.

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It's just pretty amazing.

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So, lizzie, a long days, journeys night and tonight into

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long days, journey into night.

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What are your first thoughts on this rewatch?

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Because, folks, we are still trying to figure out how we're

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doing this rewatch.

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She has a great idea.

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I'm still trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: I know I meant to message you, text you before

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this, but my first thoughts are I was surprised at how fresh it

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seems.

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It seemed to me I don't know how many times I've seen that

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episode at this point, but watching it again, going in

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believing what I believe, looking for what I'm looking for

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and looking at it with fresh eyes, it was pretty exciting,

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really exciting actually.

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I know it's like I guess I have a bunch of thoughts.

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I just feel like the entire thing is just stunning.

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It's it's a tapestry.

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Yeah, there's so much groundwork laid in this first episode and

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looking at people that are now dead and the scariness of it all

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, just loved it, loved it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you right now, folks, I do not like

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scary stuff.

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I don't either I just write more and this has to be, without a

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doubt, one of the scariest episodes of TV I've ever seen.

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Now, that doesn't say much because I haven't seen a lot of

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TV that is scary, but in terms of the gruesomeness it doesn't

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get any more gruesome than this.

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Again and Lauren.

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But before we get into that, obviously we are going to this

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is a spoiler, not spoiler free.

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This is all about spoilers.

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We are not going to be trying to jump too far ahead in terms

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of what's going to happen in season two, season three, but at

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the same time we're going to try to stay within this episode

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and how it kind of looks in the whole big friendly world.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear we cannot say anything about season

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three because we know nothing about it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's the one thing that I love

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that everybody keeps asking us what about season three?

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What about season three?

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You know what?

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They're still writing it.

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They're in the At the time of this podcast.

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They are on site and it is snowing there, probably in

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Canada, and they are freezing their little pajamas off and

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they're coming up with some great ideas and we can't wait to

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see it.

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But the reason for this podcast or this rewatch is to kind of

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get people really pumped up about the show, because if you

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do the math right, it's probably going to be that 20 weeks is

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where we're going to be to the hopefully season premiere of

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season three.

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Speaker 2: We have no idea when it is.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying we have no idea.

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But you know, looking at the show, I went in with this lens.

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We know certain things about the show and we've talked about

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it along the way, you know, trying to think about what we

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remember about the earlier episodes.

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So I went in knowing I know a lot of stuff about the show.

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But I have questions, ideas and thoughts and an open mind to

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look for patterns, look for clues, form some theories along

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the way and that's how I took my notes, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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That said, let's get into it, and one of the things that I

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love about the show is their use of the cold open.

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Speaker 2: Right, I thought you know for a new show I thought

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the cold open was kind of involved.

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We go through a few different scenes.

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We start going back to the beginning of my notes.

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We start where Boyd is ringing the bell.

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It sets the tone for the series .

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Who walks around a town ringing the bell and he starts out.

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He's coming down the street with the church on his left and

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he's walking along the street and from there you can see two

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houses on the left and you see one house on the right and the

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house on the right that was Sarah and Nathan's house.

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So we keep walking.

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The diner is next.

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You see the motel.

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You see the house that the Prats lived in Frank, lauren and

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Megan and then the Matthews family ends up moving in there.

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Do I have that right?

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No, that's not right.

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They're not on the other side.

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Oh, are they?

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I'm all confused.

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I don't know where anything is anymore.

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But because it goes the diner, it goes it.

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You know what?

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Oh, wait a minute, I have a map .

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Speaker 1: We have a map.

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Yes, there was a couple of maps out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just drew my own map.

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So it's the church, yellow House, blue House, motel, and

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then Yellow House on the other side, the diner, then the Prat

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House, the playground, the sheriff, and then there's the

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street right here that goes to Colony House, which.

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I had never noticed before.

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And then I get to move my finger to the right way, and

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that's the gas station slash bar .

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Right.

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So the cold open starts with Boyd walking down the street,

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then it goes to Sarah at the diner.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to talk about that for a second because

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, you know, everybody is just a lot, it's time to go.

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And what I love about what Sarah does is she's just taking

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the food, nobody's paying, and it's what.

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But my point being is, doing the rewatch, you're like, oh

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yeah, nobody's paying, we know why now.

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But looking at it, you're like, okay, that's kind of strange.

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And then the one thing that she does, along with all the other

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people that are in the houses, they all touch the talisman.

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But at the same time and at the time, you're like, okay, what

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is this rock on the wall?

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Right, and I want to say it like that because I know when I

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first said, I'm like, okay, what's the deal with this

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friggin rock?

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No idea what a talisman was.

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Speaker 2: And why?

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It would be like it creates that God.

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What is this all about?

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Because you don't know what the show is about.

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Speaker 1: Right, you still don't know.

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And then they show Boyd or Sheriff Boyd, and he's looking

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around and he's talking to this little girl at the time.

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Oh, it's like can I have five more minutes?

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And they can't look any more wholesome.

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But yet, looking back at it, first off, all the houses are

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disheveled.

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They all need a coat of paint on them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, more or less they haven't been Because, like

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even when later on, when the neighbors or the inhabitants are

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standing in the front yard at the Pratt House, did you look at

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the lawn?

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It's not mowed.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, there's no mowing going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm like my God, that looks like my front lawn right

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now.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is, when they pulled out the

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shot, you see this car in a pool with a hotel sign.

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That's all disheveled.

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But the thing about the car was okay, fine, it's in the pool.

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That's the first bizarre thing, but it's been there for a while

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, it's all rusting.

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There's no water.

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Yeah, it's just, there's no water.

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The diving board is cut.

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I mean it's cut.

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I mean this is just what is going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, where are we?

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You know, there's just so many warning signs going off in your

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head.

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As you're walking down the street with Boyd, Sarah hustles

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the people out of the restaurant , out of the diner, and Megan is

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having a good time on the swing .

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I mean, how many times did you ask your mom or dad?

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Can I have five more minutes?

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Of course the son is setting.

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They know you're in the yard, but your parents are like no,

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you've got to come in and take a bath, you have school tomorrow,

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or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Whatever?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever.

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But I mean gosh, I just wanted to stay up and watch the big

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circus.

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I hated the big circus but I wanted to watch it anyway.

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Then we cut to Kenny playing check not checkers chess with

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his father and the father wins.

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And I think Kenny lets him win and just Christie comes in and

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she gets, you know, talks to Mr Lou Gina, takes him downstairs

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into the lower floor and then Kenny and Christie talk about

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his father outside and then she goes in.

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Speaker 1: And they have that little moment where he's, all

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you know, puppy-eyed and I know.

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And we're like who is this dude with the uniform?

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Speaker 2: What the f*** is that I'm too short?

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Speaker 1: And then she's got her little EMT.

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It says EMT on the front and it says paramedic on the side, so

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it's like what are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: Cover all the bases.

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And does it all.

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Speaker 1: But that particular scene is not controversial, but

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it has one of the most controversial images of the

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whole show, which is the medical facility.

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Verse is at the school.

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Speaker 2: Is at the school.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait what is going on here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the clinic is the school, and I was going to

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talk about that too, because the clinic is a school.

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The post office is a sheriff's office.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get there yet.

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Speaker 2: The house station is a bar.

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There's all these things that have been adapted.

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She goes in.

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Sarah is the first one to do the talisman.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: And then Christie is the next one to do the talisman

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touch.

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So then Kenny touches base with Boyd, who's standing on the

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colony road with binoculars Right he's like kind of being a

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little creepy, exactly.

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We don't know what's going on and there's like creeper

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creepers in standing there watching people go into the

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house.

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We don't realize at the time that he's watching his son carry

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his girlfriend into the colony house, but that's who it is, or

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that it's even.

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You know Boyd is a father.

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But now that we know Boyd is looking out for his child, he

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just wants to make sure that his child is okay.

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Speaker 1: But again, why is the sheriff looking at all these

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creepy people?

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And what I mean by that?

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No, but what I mean by that is not creepy people, but he's like

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.

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Why is he like having this distance and not going up there?

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If he's the sheriff, I'm saying as the newcomer looking in?

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That's what you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't realize that you've got to be

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inside by you know a certain time.

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So then he goes into the sheriff's office and he just

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kind of touches the talisman as he walks in, type thing, and

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locks the door and then next.

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that the sign says 90 96 days without

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an issue?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and it's like they kind of focus in

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on it, in on that.

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Take note of that 96 nights.

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And then we go over to the Pratt house and Lauren is

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closing up shop, touches the talisman and Megan is upstairs

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getting ready for bed and I was looking around.

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She has the rocking horse in her room.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Remember we see that down in the tunnels.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So that was one thing , because when I noticed I

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didn't notice the rocking horse until I did my second watch and

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I was like, oh my God, is the dummy there?

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That was my next question.

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But I didn't recognize like she just had dolls, you know, lined

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up on a bench and stuff like that.

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I didn't see the dummy, it was just other dolls and I don't

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remember seeing any of those dolls in the tunnels in season

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two.

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But what I did notice because I kept having to put things on

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pause for a while because I'm writing notes and you know the

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whole thing she's got crayon pictures on the wall as well.

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Yes, yeah, and I think there were four total.

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They don't focus in on them and I couldn't get a good read on

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some of them.

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I know there was one big one or one where the face was bigger

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and you could tell it was a person, but you know no idea who

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that was.

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And then there were two pictures near it where there

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seemed to be a bunch of different things.

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They could have been figures, they could have been anything

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Christmas ornaments, who knows.

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And then there was one on the other side of the window.

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So those were the things that I noticed in Megan's room, but

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the one thing I did, yeah, the rocking horse.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is, you know, just to go say

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your prayers, and it's a famous prayer.

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We probably all said it once in our life.

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Speaker 2: I still say it once in a while.

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Speaker 1: You know, now they made me down to sleep and you

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could probably sing the whole thing, yeah.

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And then there's this knock on the door, on the window.

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I'm sorry and OK.

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First off, couple of things that I have a problem with.

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Hello, there's this little old lady on the second floor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd she get up there?

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Speaker 1: How'd she get up there?

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Speaker 2: But Megan's not going to Megan's not necessarily

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going to think about that, but Megan's mesmerized by this woman

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and she also knows it's not her .

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Yeah, she knows it's not her grandmother and I just love the

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look on Megan's face.

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She just did so well.

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You know standing there, and you know I can't help it.

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I miss being on set.

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I haven't been called back yet, but you know I can just picture

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them filming that.

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And you know there's no one out there.

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There's someone saying the lines of the grandmother at some

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point, I'm sure, and you know cause.

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She's just in her room.

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She doesn't turn around and look at the window, she's just

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like.

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You know I can't even remember what she said, but she's saying

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her lines.

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She was just really she played a little girl very well, how's

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that?

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Speaker 1: I think what's kind of interesting is that the mom

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is no, and then it cuts to the opening.

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Yeah, and that opening and I do want to talk about the opening

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because we've got and I like to call it pixies and picture, you

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know, you've got the drawings and then you've got the eerie

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song Music, yeah, and one thing that I can't you know, we were

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really lucky to get Victor Scott McCord, because he kind of shed

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some light on who sang the song and a little bit about it.

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One of the things that I find really fascinating about this is

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they changed the lyrics just a tinge and they had to.

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But it's just kind of interesting and I want to just

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punch this up if I can.

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I want to see if I could punch it up.

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Speaker 2: Did you find the version by the pixies?

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I found both versions.

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Speaker 1: I found both versions , I mean.

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Speaker 2: I've sang that song for a long time.

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Yeah, that's the one I have in my notes.

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But I had the Doris Day version on my iPod, you know, back in

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the day and I would sing that song.

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I mean, it's like an old standard.

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Speaker 1: But this is the thing about the song.

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First off because it's a guy.

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He says when I was a little boy .

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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, I mean that always changes with

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who's singing the song.

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Speaker 1: But that's not.

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The second verse is where it gets really kind of interesting,

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because the second verse is completely different than the

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second verse of Doris Day's version.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: And I think it.

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Speaker 2: Or when I grow up and have children of my own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I have children of my own.

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They ask their father what will I be?

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Will I be pretty?

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Will I be rich?

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I just think that this has a pretty good underlying tone to

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the series.

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I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I just find it really fascinating,

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really, reading the words and the eeriness of it and the way

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it's played.

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I think it really lends itself to the way this show is gonna be

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going.

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Because the question is it Victor, is it Boyd?

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Is it you know?

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Who's the little boy?

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Who's the little boy, or is the little boy just insert person.

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Speaker 2: That's what I think it is.

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I was planning on talking about this when we got to the music

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section, because oh, I'm sorry, I just am kind of going through

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it all so.

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Yeah, no, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean we could .

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Okay, you can see the cohesion that we have right now and

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that's fine.

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Speaker 2: That's okay.

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Normally we plan out where we're going, or at least have a

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loose idea of where we're going, but honestly, I was going until

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the last minute with all of it.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, but yeah, but then right after that they

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cut right to the Matthews.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where they start.

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I do have it kind of like blow by blow, but Okay, I kind of mix

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things up a little bit.

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I mean, do you?

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Speaker 1: have it like that.

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Speaker 2: Where do you?

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Speaker 1: want to go.

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I'm sorry, I'll go wherever you want to go.

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Speaker 2: But did you write it down like that?

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Speaker 1: I wrote it down the way the show.

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Speaker 2: The way it flowed.

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Let's go with that, let's go with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: They're driving and they're on their family trip and

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they're in an RV and they're on the highway.

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We see them on a highway, they take an off-ramp and then

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they're on side roads and then they turn up in the heavily

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wooded roads and they're driving along and Julie and Ethan are

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in the back of the RV at the table and Julie is telling Ethan

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a story with two little finger puppets that are Ethan's toys

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and she's talking about Norman being killed and that the secret

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fairies are coming and there's the lake of tears and then she

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just kills Norman and, understandably, ethan gets upset

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and the parents kind of step in and Tabitha comes back and

00:22:24
talks to him about it and there's some things that I

00:22:29
wanted to talk about in regards to that Go ahead.

00:22:33
So I do have a section of foreshadowing and around the, a

00:22:43
lot of it takes place around the Matthews family.

00:22:46
So the first thing that comes up is the lake of tears.

00:22:51
Do you know what?

00:22:54
I'm gonna connect with that Please go.

00:22:56
I can't wait to hear it Elgin.

00:22:58
Yeah.

00:23:00
Remember he asked if there was like a pond or something, if

00:23:03
there was some water.

00:23:03
What if?

00:23:05
And we've been speculating about the Crominocle story being

00:23:10
the story of this whole place that all of this is just taking

00:23:14
place in Ethan's storybook.

00:23:16
But what if the lake of tears is that body of water where

00:23:22
everyone goes swimming?

00:23:23
I can't off the top of my head.

00:23:24
I can't remember what they call it right now.

00:23:26
But what if?

00:23:28
That's it?

00:23:29
But before Julie gets up and walks away, after she kills

00:23:35
Norman, she says, she says to Ethan sometimes life is hard kid

00:23:44
.

00:23:44
Now we know that they're all going through some recovering

00:23:52
from the trauma of the death of a child in the family and every

00:23:58
one of them is handling it differently.

00:23:59
And Julie's kind of acting out, she's tormenting Ethan and

00:24:03
she's saying sometimes life is hard kid.

00:24:05
And that's that right.

00:24:06
No, she's being an annoying older sister.

00:24:10
Speaker 1: That's part of it too .

00:24:11
Speaker 2: I think that's a lot of it, but yes, yeah, but yeah.

00:24:15
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you because as a younger

00:24:17
sibling I can totally see where that was going and I'm like

00:24:23
you're a little jerk.

00:24:23
Yeah, that happens.

00:24:27
Speaker 2: But then she says to him when you're gone, when

00:24:31
you're dead, you're gone.

00:24:32
She says that to him.

00:24:34
So then Tabitha comes back and she tries to soothe him and she

00:24:42
says to him there's no such thing as monsters.

00:24:46
Norman is still alive, so we know where they're going and

00:24:53
that there definitely is monsters.

00:24:57
Julie is saying when you're dead, you're gone, which is what

00:25:02
happened in Norman, but then Tabitha turns around and says

00:25:05
Norman is still alive.

00:25:06
Speaker 1: There's that, Both right, yeah maybe, so that's the

00:25:10
foreshadowing that I've got at that moment.

00:25:16
Speaker 2: What's next?

00:25:17
So then?

00:25:19
Speaker 1: after that hold on one second.

00:25:20
After that, everything is fine.

00:25:24
All of a sudden, sheriff Boyd sees his favorite person in the

00:25:31
whole world, frank.

00:25:31
Yeah, wait a minute.

00:25:35
Speaker 2: That's not true?

00:25:35
Well, yeah, no, it's the next morning, yeah, and Frank decides

00:25:39
to go home and everybody's at Radice House and he bitch slaps

00:25:45
him like he was Chris Rock Bam bam, bam.

00:25:51
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like Chris Rock and Will Smith.

00:25:54
Speaker 2: And then he pulls him I totally can't think about

00:25:57
that again and then he pulls him up the stairs and starts

00:26:00
yelling at him again and he says they drag him all the ways up

00:26:06
into the bedroom and he says really I love this line.

00:26:10
Speaker 1: A man protects a woman.

00:26:11
Really, I love this line.

00:26:13
A man protects his family, frank, a man protects his family

00:26:17
.

00:26:17
Now, this is the thing I have an issue with.

00:26:20
Yeah, I understand he's a drunk and I understand he's not

00:26:25
exactly the best person in the world, but the mom has something

00:26:31
to accountability here.

00:26:35
Why the hell didn't she nail the window shut?

00:26:40
Speaker 2: She could have.

00:26:40
But what if Boyd only told Frank and the thing about it is

00:26:45
that Frank was not a drunk before they got there.

00:26:48
Frank became a drunk when they got there in dealing with that.

00:26:53
So the thing about this show is that or in this episode, they

00:26:59
do some exposition and what they do is they show what happens

00:27:06
when the rules are not followed.

00:27:08
Speaker 1: True.

00:27:11
Speaker 2: Frank comes home to the town, standing outside of

00:27:14
his house, boyd lays out the rules, nail the window, shut.

00:27:19
Man protects his family.

00:27:22
You're going to view those bodies and then you're going to

00:27:26
get locked up, and that's what happens.

00:27:28
So then the next thing is Cotry comes in and he handles the

00:27:35
bodies and the burial of the bodies.

00:27:37
So they show us.

00:27:41
This is what happens when rules are not followed and we know

00:27:47
that there's more.

00:27:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love that after he does what he does,

00:27:51
he's throw your father and just walks away Because it's he's

00:27:56
done his part, he's done his part and away we go.

00:27:59
But after that whole entire scene they set it up really well

00:28:04
and this is the crux of the whole show right here, because

00:28:09
there is one thing that everybody sees when they come to

00:28:13
this land Hold on, because we're not there yet, Because

00:28:18
what happens is let's see, I'm trying to get there.

00:28:24
Speaker 2: All right, Jim and Tabitha, we go back to the RV.

00:28:29
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, yeah.

00:28:31
Speaker 2: Jim and Tabitha are talking.

00:28:32
Yes.

00:28:33
Jim says hey, remember, when I first met your parents, I had

00:28:40
this 83 Volvo.

00:28:43
And starting to see.

00:28:46
The point of this conversation is we're starting to see the

00:28:49
difference between the two people.

00:28:50
Now he's saying the thing was broken down Fred Flintstone kind

00:28:58
of breaks Like the thing was really a piece of crap and he

00:29:03
said it was a champ.

00:29:05
To him the thing could plow through snow like 10-foot drifts

00:29:10
or whatever.

00:29:11
The thing was a champ.

00:29:13
She called it a death trap.

00:29:15
So you're seeing that they have two different ways that they're

00:29:21
looking at the world.

00:29:22
He's like everything's good, she's looking at everything is

00:29:27
bad and nothing's happened to them yet Other than the death of

00:29:33
their child.

00:29:33
But that's where they are at this point in time.

00:29:37
So then he says sometimes I remember what it was like before

00:29:46
, and so it's that hint that before what?

00:29:52
Because they haven't gotten to the town yet.

00:29:55
So what is that before?

00:29:57
There is something that has happened to this family where

00:30:02
they have a before and an after.

00:30:05
Speaker 1: Exactly.

00:30:06
Speaker 2: We're going to find out.

00:30:07
So the next thing is they're continuing on and we get the

00:30:13
steps to how somebody arrives in town.

00:30:16
Julie's lying on the couch and she is.

00:30:22
She's on her phone, she's got her earbuds in and there's a

00:30:27
moment, there's a look on her face when, if you're watching,

00:30:33
you can tell she's lost internet , she's lost her connection.

00:30:36
That moment, so it starts there, then there's the tree in the

00:30:41
road.

00:30:41
They come to the tree in the road, then there's the crows,

00:30:45
then there's no sign to the highway.

00:30:47
Then they drive into the town.

00:30:49
The people become aware that there's new people coming.

00:30:55
Boyd assesses and gives false directions, and then they pass

00:31:02
over the tracks and then let's see, oh shoot, there's another

00:31:07
part where they definitely don't have internet.

00:31:11
But the internet had gone out before, but then it obviously

00:31:14
goes out.

00:31:15
So they pass on over the tracks , then there's no turns and

00:31:20
they're back at the town again and then they drive, I think

00:31:25
they turn right around and go back the other way and they

00:31:28
start rationalizing it and they start denying what is happening

00:31:33
to them and they end up back in the town.

00:31:36
And so, boyd and Kenny, they're like it's time now, so they put

00:31:44
out the spike strip so that when they come back they'll stop

00:31:48
.

00:31:48
And that's the point where there's no way out.

00:31:53
When they put that spike strip down, whoever it is that's

00:31:58
driving around is going to find out right then that there is no

00:32:03
way out.

00:32:03
Speaker 1: What I found was really kind of interesting was

00:32:05
when they were going round and round, or even the first time,

00:32:08
ethan was like All the tie.

00:32:10
I mean that, the fact that he said it, yeah, it's like all the

00:32:14
tires are busted on all these cars.

00:32:16
I don't think any kid would have ever noticed that, but I

00:32:19
just it wasn't a throwaway mind, it was definitely a piece.

00:32:23
Speaker 2: No, it definitely was like he does say that all the

00:32:26
cars have flats and the welcoming committee just could

00:32:30
not be any colder.

00:32:32
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody is just oh yeah, no, we don't talk

00:32:35
to you.

00:32:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know that was the instruction,

00:32:39
because I know it was.

00:32:41
Tells them, don't talk to them.

00:32:43
Remember what it was like your first day.

00:32:45
Other foreshadowing was Jim, you know, saying before all this

00:32:50
, and then the flat tires by Ethan.

00:32:54
And then Julie gets up.

00:32:56
He's still sitting at the table watching it you know his iPad

00:33:00
and she's and they're talking about the crows.

00:33:03
And she says you know, they come into your room at night and

00:33:07
they crawl into your sheets and they package your face and your

00:33:11
eyes and you know she terrifies him.

00:33:13
And then I'm looking at her t-shirt and it's a bunny with a

00:33:20
third eye.

00:33:21
I know we've noticed it before, but you know we're taking note

00:33:26
of all these things.

00:33:27
So if there's a third eye, you have to see what you can't

00:33:33
physically see, and and that's what that message is there's

00:33:37
more here than what you actually see.

00:33:40
Continue.

00:33:42
Speaker 1: Now, while this is going on, I'm gonna jump back a

00:33:47
little bit, not not a little bit , but the sheriff after after

00:33:51
everybody, after the two people die, the sheriff wants to go up

00:33:57
to the place that he was looking with the binoculars and and

00:34:01
this is the first time we get to see your girlfriend, donna, my

00:34:06
F, your BFF, that you.

00:34:08
Speaker 2: BFF Donna, did you see that picture of her on

00:34:10
Instagram?

00:34:11
It was.

00:34:13
Speaker 1: Which one?

00:34:14
The one that she looks fabulous in?

00:34:16
Yes, oh my god, I loved it and then she had another one with

00:34:22
her, her boyfriend as well, but we're not gonna talk about him

00:34:25
just yet, because that's next season.

00:34:27
Yeah, so yeah she.

00:34:28
I love this interaction because , again, we're still in the what

00:34:32
the freak is going on Mom moment, and it's out there

00:34:38
planting we get.

00:34:40
Speaker 2: We find out in that interaction between her and boy

00:34:45
that she is the boss of colony house.

00:34:48
Speaker 1: We have an arrangement.

00:34:50
I've come to see my son.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it's all sorts of arrangements there, but

00:34:55
we find out at that point that she runs colony house, that

00:35:00
she's in charge.

00:35:01
What she says goes if she says boy can't go in, boy does not go

00:35:05
again.

00:35:06
But for whatever reason, we don't know.

00:35:09
You know, even in season two.

00:35:12
We don't know the extent or how Volatile it was when Boyd and

00:35:21
Ellis parted.

00:35:22
We just know that it had to do with Boyd shooting Abby and

00:35:28
Ellis gets away from Boyd and the only place he can go is to

00:35:34
Just decided and when they introduce Ellis, I think it's

00:35:38
just kind of.

00:35:39
Speaker 1: You know, this place is really kind of.

00:35:41
I just keep thinking Woodstock.

00:35:43
I don't know why, but it's kind of like that.

00:35:47
Speaker 2: It's like not a free-for-all, it's just be

00:35:50
yourself here you know, be comfortable.

00:35:53
Speaker 1: And the only like light in this whole tunnel Comes

00:35:58
from the two pieces of eye candy that are Ellis and Fatima,

00:36:03
and they have their little moment.

00:36:04
And he had, of course, says the right thing, you know, and I

00:36:08
put it up on the screen here.

00:36:09
You're like a poem make everything around here beautiful

00:36:12
, even this place.

00:36:14
Yeah, and I think yeah and I think that there's something to

00:36:18
be said for that, because Fatima Really is a ray of sunshine.

00:36:24
I mean, she's Right in this season.

00:36:28
She is old, she has been the most uplifting person in the

00:36:32
support of person in the place.

00:36:34
She's getting her picture painted by Ellis and this really

00:36:38
kind of program, you know, sexy way.

00:36:40
But what I find really interesting is when you know

00:36:46
Boyd comes in, she like embraces them with open arms.

00:36:50
Share, stevens.

00:36:51
You know you need to come by more where, moments before you

00:36:55
still get out, yeah, I mean, that's part of it.

00:37:00
Speaker 2: She, she doesn't have Between her and him what Ellis

00:37:05
and Boyd have.

00:37:06
Of course doesn't.

00:37:08
She does not want to further drive that wedge between well it

00:37:12
well as Ellis and Boyd, but there were some things that of

00:37:19
course I was noticing, because I'm trying to find clues in

00:37:23
everything Ellis is doing charcoal drawings of Fatima, and

00:37:29
there are charcoal drawings throughout that room, if you

00:37:33
notice, yes, and he's got this medallion Around his neck and it

00:37:40
looks like a fir tree.

00:37:42
You know, when Boyd comes in there's a lampshade and I have

00:37:48
to go back and compare the two because I thought they might be

00:37:51
the same pattern.

00:37:52
They're not, they just look like they're in the same family

00:37:56
in a sense, right, and I'm wondering what the purpose of

00:38:00
this medallion could actually be .

00:38:03
But the, of course, I'm like looking at the style of the

00:38:09
artwork and I'm like I wonder if that's Jack Bender's work.

00:38:12
You know, yeah, so much of it.

00:38:14
And if you look at the actual drawing, it is different from

00:38:20
the way that Fatima was posing, because In the drawing it looks

00:38:27
like she has like a bathing suit top or something on and the

00:38:30
shirt is open, but where she's sitting and the rose is in a

00:38:34
different position.

00:38:35
But when she's sitting at the window, you know, she just has

00:38:40
the shirt on and the roses, you know, across her lap or whatever

00:38:44
in her arm.

00:38:45
It's not up like this, you know .

00:38:48
But that window, if I'm not mistaken, is the same window

00:38:54
that she shows the town to Julie through, but it's also to get

00:39:00
married.

00:39:01
Oh yeah, where they get married.

00:39:03
So it is.

00:39:06
You know you're thinking about it and that window represents

00:39:14
some sense of hope in this story that you know good things can

00:39:21
happen.

00:39:21
It's not, as it does not have to be as dark and dire, you know

00:39:28
, as we see everything the interesting thing, not the

00:39:32
interesting thing.

00:39:33
But you know Boyd is up there telling Ellis about what

00:39:37
happened to Lauren and Megan and that you know he wants him to

00:39:42
come to the funeral and I think you know Ellis wants to.

00:39:48
He just doesn't want anything to do with his dad and yeah, I'm

00:39:52
remembering when the RV first stops and Everyone turns the

00:39:57
look.

00:39:58
It was like a little Scene out of a real horror movie where it

00:40:06
just looked like everyone turned around at the same time and

00:40:09
they just had this.

00:40:10
You know, scary town, look on their face at the strangers that

00:40:15
were coming in and you know, jim is even like only you know.

00:40:19
I don't know if he said fuck, but he could have, he probably

00:40:23
could have Shut up, but yeah.

00:40:29
We get our introduction to Donna and Fatima and Ellis through

00:40:34
that little exchange.

00:40:35
So then it's back to the RV where they're lost, without the

00:40:41
Wi-Fi signal and See they've gone to the town.

00:40:42
Boyd says you all remember what it was like for you.

00:40:47
And then Boyd and Kenny handle it and at that point like this

00:40:50
is the last time before they're stuck that they make the, they

00:40:58
interact with Jim Right and just kind of send them on his way.

00:41:06
But Nathan Sarah you know the last time they come through

00:41:12
they're, they see Sarah and she's walking down the street

00:41:16
and they ask her, and she just keeps walking.

00:41:18
I mean, sarah, she was normal in the diner.

00:41:21
She was normal, yeah, but that Like when she's walking down the

00:41:28
street.

00:41:28
She's walking down the street, yeah, but that like when she's

00:41:34
walking down the street, it's like she became creepy at that

00:41:38
point and then she's creepy for the remainder.

00:41:40
But so she gets to her house and Nathan's coming out.

00:41:44
He's gonna get you know, go over to the barn and tend to the

00:41:47
animals.

00:41:48
And she Comments about the new people.

00:41:53
And I don't know, I don't know.

00:41:56
I know new people is not a creepy term, but it sure does

00:42:00
sound like it when she says it.

00:42:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, she, she's got an agenda or some kind.

00:42:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't know that.

00:42:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying .

00:42:08
Speaker 2: I know it's fun to look at her knowing what we know

00:42:12
, you know right.

00:42:14
She's she.

00:42:15
The only time she doesn't really seem ill at ease is when

00:42:20
she's working in the diner.

00:42:21
She seems to be self-possessed there, and then when she's

00:42:25
talking to Nathan.

00:42:26
Anytime she's interacting with anybody else, it's kind of like

00:42:30
she's a double agent that's not hiding it very well.

00:42:33
The RV passes over the tracks a second time and then Tabitha

00:42:38
says it's like the switchback, which I hadn't heard that term

00:42:43
before and I did look it up in the dictionary and it's talking

00:42:46
about STR turns and yeah, and it's talking about getting back

00:42:54
on another.

00:42:54
You make a U-turn to get back on track and stuff like that,

00:42:59
and they start fighting Jim and Tabitha because she says you're

00:43:04
going too fast and he's I'm not going fast.

00:43:06
And then the scene is like he's driving and I'm like Kyle looks

00:43:13
like he's going fast.

00:43:14
Speaker 1: They're just having a lovely family moment.

00:43:18
Speaker 2: Like a little marital spat, right.

00:43:20
So then at one point he's I'm going like 20 miles an hour.

00:43:25
You know what he's like, crawling along and they're like

00:43:28
looking for a sign.

00:43:29
They're wondering if they've missed the turnoff and I'm just

00:43:33
like I mean you've been lost and driving right.

00:43:37
Speaker 1: There's a unwritten rule in our car when we get all

00:43:43
crazy like that, it's alright, everybody be quiet or I'm turn

00:43:46
this around.

00:43:47
You know, you just have to break the tension.

00:43:49
Yeah, but along with all that tension, first the worst sister

00:43:56
in the whole entire world has to scare the Pajangas out of her

00:44:00
poor little brother by talking about crows and how they're

00:44:05
going to eat his eyes out and everything else.

00:44:07
And wait, that's not the best part.

00:44:09
The dictionary really screws with us on this one.

00:44:13
Because it's true, like a group of crows is a murder of crows.

00:44:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:44:19
Speaker 1: And then wait, so to think of that being bad, okay,

00:44:24
fine.

00:44:24
But then the mom thinks, oh, this is even better, because I'm

00:44:29
going to give it to my daughter that it was really a bunch of

00:44:33
ravens, which is a group of unkindness, because she's unkind

00:44:38
, but when you think about it it's all bad.

00:44:42
Speaker 2: It's not good yeah.

00:44:43
Speaker 1: Out of all the groups that you could have thought of,

00:44:46
ravens are not the freaking thing you want to be thinking

00:44:50
about.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: You think about Edgar Allen Poe?

00:44:52
Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm just thinking like.

00:44:54
It's not positive.

00:44:57
Yeah, they're not dealing with exactly the most sane groups,

00:45:02
but you know, as they're doing it, I mean I like to call this

00:45:05
part you know the wheels going round and round.

00:45:07
You know the wheels on the RV going round and they just keep

00:45:10
getting more and more pissed.

00:45:11
And everybody knows what's going on, except for that, yeah,

00:45:14
and then you know.

00:45:16
Speaker 2: That's the worst part , like when everyone knows and

00:45:19
no one tells you.

00:45:20
Have you ever had that happen?

00:45:22
You?

00:45:22
Speaker 1: know it's the story of my life.

00:45:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everyone, like your boyfriend is cheating,

00:45:27
everyone knows, but no one tells you.

00:45:31
And you're walking around and then you find out and you're

00:45:34
like, oh my god, I look like such an asshole all this time

00:45:39
because everyone knew I was getting screwed over, but no one

00:45:42
told me.

00:45:43
And then you don't want to talk to any of your friends ever

00:45:46
again.

00:45:47
Speaker 1: I've never had that happen, but okay.

00:45:50
Speaker 2: Me either.

00:45:51
Speaker 1: Right me either.

00:45:53
Speaker 2: But at any rate.

00:45:54
So this is their last trip into town and they've had it.

00:45:59
So Jim like, whips the RV around and then Barrel asses out

00:46:03
of there.

00:46:04
Now he's driving fast and then we see the Audi come over the

00:46:11
you know the horizon, and that's Toby and Jade.

00:46:15
And Jim and Tabitha are kind of fighting and all of a sudden

00:46:20
that's because they're gonna go head on into each other.

00:46:23
I don't know what Toby was thinking.

00:46:24
So this brings about the crash.

00:46:28
Toby and Jade go into a bunch of trees and we don't know if

00:46:33
they actually saw the tree across the road.

00:46:36
We don't know that right.

00:46:38
Toby.

00:46:38
That's why Toby was driving fast.

00:46:40
He was just as frustrated, but no one knows that there was a

00:46:45
second car at that point.

00:46:47
Until Toby gets back and he meets up with Boyden Kenny at

00:46:53
the spike strip, the RV goes off the side of the road down into

00:47:00
a ditch and lands on its side and it was like every.

00:47:06
I did rewind it because I was trying to figure a few things

00:47:09
out, but the stunt person for Julie way on the other side,

00:47:16
right Tabitha, and actually I broke this down, and because

00:47:23
they are all in its particular positions and I want to talk

00:47:28
about this.

00:47:30
Speaker 1: Okay.

00:47:31
Speaker 2: So Jim is in the driver's seat right and to me

00:47:36
I'm looking at it, I'm like what is stopping him from just

00:47:41
undoing his seatbelt and there's just a tree and just sliding

00:47:46
under it or going up?

00:47:47
But Jim is awake and he's trapped.

00:47:51
Speaker 1: Right.

00:47:51
Speaker 2: And let me get through this, because all of

00:47:55
this relates.

00:47:56
Speaker 1: I'm not saying or.

00:47:57
Speaker 2: Okay, tabitha is unconscious and I'm just calling

00:48:02
her loose.

00:48:02
She's just floating in a sense, because she's up against the

00:48:05
door.

00:48:06
It wouldn't matter if her seatbelt is on or not.

00:48:09
Ethan, he's in and out of consciousness and he's impaled

00:48:14
and stuck to something like the new floor right.

00:48:19
And then Julie, she's conscious , but she's loose as well.

00:48:25
Jim knows that they've been through a family trauma.

00:48:31
He wants to help his family but he can't.

00:48:35
He's trapped where he is.

00:48:37
Tabitha she's checked out.

00:48:42
You know like she will come up against this, but she is stuck

00:48:49
at the loss of her child and this comes up a couple times in

00:48:54
the story or in this episode.

00:48:56
But she's basically she's checked out and she's stuck in

00:49:00
her own way.

00:49:01
Julie is now moving through life in pain, like her little

00:49:09
baby brother is dead, and it's like she wants to torment Ethan,

00:49:16
almost to create a separation between the two of them, because

00:49:21
if something happens to Ethan, she won't feel it as much.

00:49:25
Speaker 1: Not her fault, yeah.

00:49:29
Speaker 2: And that you know.

00:49:29
I mean, yeah, she's a teenager and she's gonna be a little bit

00:49:32
bratty, but I feel like she's got extra momentum because, yeah

00:49:39
, like I can see the poking here and there, but she just seems

00:49:42
to be a little bit more antagonizing, more cruel than

00:49:47
she really needs to be.

00:49:49
But you could tell she's a good kid at heart, right.

00:49:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's going through her growing pains,

00:49:54
I mean but she's also dealing with the death.

00:49:57
Speaker 2: This is how they're all dealing with the death of

00:50:00
this kid.

00:50:00
And then there's Ethan.

00:50:02
Ethan is stuck.

00:50:04
He is stuck being a little kid and learning about the world and

00:50:11
not fully understanding what everything means.

00:50:15
Like, what is death, you know?

00:50:19
Like we know, that the parents this is their last family trip

00:50:25
before they get a divorce, but he doesn't know what's coming.

00:50:29
Julie suspects it, but Ethan just doesn't know what's coming

00:50:34
Like his world has already been uprooted by the death of his

00:50:38
infant brother, but they still have each other, you know.

00:50:42
So now my life solidifies with these three other people.

00:50:47
And now you know, he's just stuck.

00:50:50
He's stuck where he's at.

00:50:52
So that was my analysis of all of that.

00:50:55
And Jim keeps reaching out to Tabitha, but he can't reach her,

00:51:01
like his arm isn't long enough and he can't, like, he can't

00:51:05
touch her, and he keeps reaching out to her over and over.

00:51:09
So that's what I had.

00:51:13
And then the interesting thing too is that who gets out?

00:51:17
First Julie gets out and then Tabitha gets out, while Jim

00:51:24
stays with Ethan until Christie comes.

00:51:27
But anyway, let's return.

00:51:34
Speaker 1: Okay, so no, I know I'm thinking about what you said

00:51:38
, because we didn't talk about this before.

00:51:41
Speaker 2: No, like this was something that.

00:51:43
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating.

00:51:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, like really funny is that if the writers

00:51:50
never even thought about that?

00:51:52
Speaker 1: Well, in your opinion , the writers have thought about

00:51:55
everything, because every little bit like this shirt,

00:52:00
because the black represents something.

00:52:02
Right, that angle the angle of your lunchbox in the background

00:52:10
is at a 45 degree angle, which is how old the lunchbox really

00:52:15
is.

00:52:15
But what's interesting enough is I really think that's

00:52:21
something that I don't think many people have actually talked

00:52:23
about which is the positioning of the people in that RV, in the

00:52:29
relationship, where the positioning of them emotionally

00:52:33
and I think there's a lot to be said for that but what I do want

00:52:36
to jump ahead or back.

00:52:38
Yeah, back to Toby.

00:52:40
Yeah, exactly, it's like a head , but it's back.

00:52:43
So Toby gets to the hospital.

00:52:46
Speaker 2: Oh, wait a minute, he gets out of the car.

00:52:49
Right, he gets out of the car and he means he gets out of the

00:52:51
car and immediately throws up because he's got a head injury

00:52:55
up here, right, it is like flip flop oh my God, I just hate flip

00:53:00
flops.

00:53:00
But his flip flop is on crooked and he goes down and runs into

00:53:05
Boyd and Kenny and he's asking for help and I think Boyd I mean

00:53:13
Boyd and Kenny don't know exactly how many people are in

00:53:17
that RV, they only saw the four.

00:53:20
For all he knows, there could be two guys sitting in the back

00:53:24
right, there could be a whole post of people.

00:53:26
Speaker 1: But no, he does know.

00:53:27
He does know in the sense of because Kenny says to him is

00:53:31
that the guy from the car?

00:53:32
He's, no, he's with his family.

00:53:34
Now it's a good assumption, but at the same time, yeah.

00:53:38
So he ends up going, but then I just want to jump to it.

00:53:43
Speaker 2: But they say there's two hours of daylight left.

00:53:47
Speaker 1: Right.

00:53:48
Speaker 2: And they weren't counting on this.

00:53:50
Speaker 1: And what I want to do is I want to kind of wrap up

00:53:52
Toby for a second.

00:53:53
He goes to the hospital and takes care of him, and then he

00:53:58
meets.

00:53:58
You know, dr Kvorkian, and this is where we first spoke.

00:54:03
Speaker 2: Kvorkian, though, was doing what the person wanted.

00:54:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so sorry.

00:54:08
So, marilyn Manson, I can't think of a hand of a lector, but

00:54:12
the thing that is so important is she says this isn't your

00:54:18
fault, clink, and they killed him.

00:54:22
Speaker 2: But there's more to it than that, because he's

00:54:25
laying there and she comes in.

00:54:27
I mean, he's in a strange place , right he?

00:54:30
Doesn't know.

00:54:31
And he's in this little weird makeshift clinic.

00:54:34
She comes in and pours him some water, brings him the water you

00:54:39
know, not a big deal, yeah.

00:54:42
She sits down and he asks us if everyone is okay and she says I

00:54:48
don't think so.

00:54:48
And then he starts to freak out and she looks at him and then

00:54:54
she kisses him on the lips like this Not super passionate, but

00:55:00
it was a charged kiss and then she says this isn't your fault

00:55:07
and you're like this.

00:55:10
What are you talking about?

00:55:11
His last thought is like what?

00:55:14
And then she stabs him, she goes up underneath and gets his

00:55:19
tongue.

00:55:20
I know it looked like it was like with the end of a file,

00:55:26
like a file shank, like a wood file shank, and she just looks

00:55:34
at him and he dies and I'm like we don't know what she means at

00:55:41
this point.

00:55:42
Speaker 1: And in some cases we still don't know what she means.

00:55:45
Speaker 2: No, I mean we have an idea and that's it.

00:55:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she has been the, she's been a very

00:55:55
interesting character to say the least.

00:55:58
But you know, that said, now we get the people out of the voice

00:56:10
.

00:56:10
Alice to Jade right, Because before that there is one scene.

00:56:14
There is one thing that I do want to talk about, but the fact

00:56:17
that Alice is giving his respects at the grave.

00:56:21
Yeah, and they're all going to get to go and help everybody and

00:56:26
they're like you know, there's people in need.

00:56:29
It's your father.

00:56:30
He needs your help.

00:56:31
Right, and then he thinks about it before he jumps in and then

00:56:35
he jumps in and they all run out there and they do their thing.

00:56:38
And I love the when they meet Jade, because he's so frigging

00:56:42
on whatever he's on, and you have a beautiful face too.

00:56:45
The father country.

00:56:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're all so beautiful.

00:56:49
He is tripping, he's so tripping, and then, when Boyd

00:56:55
comes up, just immediately handcuffs him to the car.

00:56:59
Speaker 1: Oh I know, I love it.

00:57:01
Speaker 2: You know, and Christie's just treating him and

00:57:03
he's just seeing a woman so beautiful, as you before.

00:57:07
Like I don't know if I want what he is on, but it's nice

00:57:14
that it's some good stuff, whatever it is.

00:57:17
But we're also leaving out something that's super important

00:57:22
, because Christie and Boyd are back at the RV.

00:57:27
Boyd tells Christie that there's a little boy with his

00:57:32
leg impaled inside and Kenny yells there's only 40 minutes of

00:57:37
daylight left.

00:57:38
And you know Boyd is trying to figure out with Christie what

00:57:43
are we going to do?

00:57:44
And he's can you do it in there ?

00:57:45
And then he pulls out the talisman.

00:57:48
So he had picked the talisman up off of the floor from the

00:57:52
Pratt house and put it in his pocket and so he had the

00:57:58
talisman with him.

00:57:59
You know how you do something sometimes and you don't realize

00:58:03
that this little thing that you did comes in handy later on.

00:58:07
He didn't realize that he would be needing that talisman.

00:58:11
He was probably just picking it up so he could keep inventory

00:58:15
of it, you know.

00:58:16
So she is.

00:58:19
We're going to do it.

00:58:20
I'll get the, you know, I'll get the kid freed, you know.

00:58:24
And so Boyd brings Jim out to talk to Tabitha and then Boyd

00:58:31
tries to explain that he tells Jim, tells Tabitha about Ethan,

00:58:37
boyd tries to explain that Tabitha and Julie need to go to

00:58:41
town because the woods are not safe at night, and Boyd says he

00:58:46
doesn't want to bury any more children.

00:58:48
And hold on, I got some notes about that, the Oxford Ark.

00:58:56
Boyd has the talisman, blah, blah, blah.

00:59:00
She's going to.

00:59:02
This whole thing is completely untried.

00:59:05
And Christy gets right to work on stabilizing Ethan, and that's

00:59:10
when Boyd pulls Jim outside and so they're sitting together and

00:59:16
it's Jim, boyd, tabitha and Julie, and Boyd says the woods

00:59:22
are not safe after dark and Boyd tells Jim that he doesn't want

00:59:27
to bury any more kids.

00:59:28
Like that is a lot to say without any explanation.

00:59:35
Boyd doesn't want to spend any time explaining because they

00:59:40
don't have any time and they've just.

00:59:43
You know, this family's just been through a traumatic event

00:59:46
that is not anywhere near being over and Boyd drops those two

00:59:52
bombs.

00:59:52
He doesn't know what it means.

00:59:53
He they know that they were at a funeral today, but he doesn't

00:59:57
know who the funeral was for.

01:00:00
He sends Ellis to free Jade and get him back to town.

01:00:05
And if he acts up to just knock out you know Ellis, you know not

01:00:10
Ellis, jade and Tabitha, when you know Boyd is saying all

01:00:15
right, Jim's gonna stay here, but Tabitha and Julie have to go

01:00:20
back to town.

01:00:21
Tabitha says my baby is in there, my baby's in there, I'm

01:00:26
not going anywhere.

01:00:27
And she calls.

01:00:29
She says you know, I am not leaving without Thomas and this

01:00:33
is another instance where she's not fully in the present, that

01:00:41
she is still a grieving mother because Jim has to correct her.

01:00:45
And so they leave with Kenny.

01:00:50
Jim goes into the RV with Christie and with Christie.

01:00:55
Christie's already there with Boyd and Jim goes and Christie

01:01:02
has Jim come and stabilize Ethan's head.

01:01:06
Ethan starts to seize as soon as she starts not, she hasn't

01:01:11
actually started, but she's getting ready to start to.

01:01:13
You know free Ethan, and as Ethan is seizing, he's holding

01:01:22
out the window Boyd's oh, wait a minute, hold on a sec, one sec.

01:01:26
Because he asked for the blanket from Jim when Jim got over at

01:01:32
that end of the RV.

01:01:33
So Jim just gives it to him and Jim is holding on to Ethan and

01:01:40
Ethan is seizing.

01:01:41
He sees the talisman in the window and he said that looks

01:01:45
weird.

01:01:46
All right, so the woods aren't safe after dark.

01:01:48
You ask for a blanket, you're hanging a talisman and then

01:01:52
you're hanging that window I mean that blanket across the

01:01:56
windows and Christie says Christie is, jim wants answers.

01:02:03
Boyd doesn't have time to give answers because the light, you

01:02:07
know, is going away.

01:02:08
And Christie says I have you covered the windows?

01:02:12
Yet have you covered the windows?

01:02:13
And he looks out the window and sees some coming and then

01:02:20
covers it over with the blanket and then the shrieking starts

01:02:25
and we're at the end of the episode and he says they're

01:02:31
coming.

01:02:31
Doesn't he say they're coming?

01:02:33
I think yeah, he says they're coming and we get the scene from

01:02:39
the outside and it's raining.

01:02:41
Is your mic working?

01:02:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're fine.

01:02:48
Speaker 2: Okay, I just saw you hitting it, so it's like pouring

01:02:51
on the outside and I'm like I wonder if it was pouring for

01:02:55
real or if they had brought in the sprinklers.

01:02:58
But then we see the truck and it's barreling down the road and

01:03:06
it goes over the spike strip.

01:03:09
Speaker 1: Which they just love to yell at each other about.

01:03:12
Dude, we don't have time for this.

01:03:15
And then they're all kind of running and they're like run as

01:03:18
fast as you can, don't stop for anybody.

01:03:20
And then it goes to black.

01:03:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's scary right.

01:03:27
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you as a pilot episode, it got

01:03:32
me going, I mean it got me going again.

01:03:37
Speaker 2: Oh, tabitha says one more thing.

01:03:41
When she's sitting outside she says I don't trust these people.

01:03:48
There's something really weird.

01:03:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:03:52
Speaker 2: So that was in my foreshadowing list, but yeah,

01:03:59
but that pilot just really stands up.

01:04:04
I think is it like three years since I've seen it.

01:04:08
Speaker 1: It might be.

01:04:09
Speaker 2: It might be.

01:04:13
Speaker 1: Now I do want to.

01:04:15
Did you have any other thoughts about the episode?

01:04:18
Speaker 2: until we get some music and other stuff, Let me

01:04:20
just double check and make sure Mr Lou says when Toby comes in.

01:04:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is like him.

01:04:28
Yeah, I don't like you.

01:04:29
Speaker 2: And the mess he made.

01:04:31
So it makes me wonder if, whatever the voices are that

01:04:38
communicate with Sarah, might be communicating with him.

01:04:42
So I think that was all the notes that I had that are

01:04:53
underlined.

01:04:54
Speaker 1: All the notes that are fit to print.

01:04:56
Speaker 2: Yeah so.

01:04:58
I'm going to need to move on to .

01:05:01
Oh, wait a minute.

01:05:02
This is also what, and I didn't make this list, but I also want

01:05:08
to try and create a timeline and a location for everybody as

01:05:16
to when they arrived, because we do get some clues along the way

01:05:19
, but the only things that we know right now are that the

01:05:25
Matthews family Jayden Toby arrived on this day and they're

01:05:30
the last ones in.

01:05:32
Speaker 1: Right.

01:05:32
Speaker 2: And the Matthews have an Arizona plate and Jayden

01:05:39
Toby have a New York plate and Christie and Kenny discussed

01:05:45
Sarah and Nathan whether or not they also had a New York plate,

01:05:52
but they settle on Boston.

01:05:54
That is something else that I want to talk about and we never

01:05:59
mentioned Frank in the bar in how Tom also touched the

01:06:04
talisman.

01:06:05
I didn't want to leave them out .

01:06:06
We love our read.

01:06:08
Speaker 1: We love our read.

01:06:09
All right, I think we're going to take another break, just so

01:06:13
that when we get back we'll talk about music and then there's

01:06:16
another.

01:06:17
I want to talk about the title a little bit more and then

01:06:19
anything else that you want to wrap up with.

01:06:21
Is that okay?

01:06:23
Speaker 2: Sure.

01:06:24
Speaker 1: Good, and we're back.

01:06:30
Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with the title.

01:06:36
Speaker 1: Okay, the title.

01:06:36
Okay the title of the show.

01:06:38
No the series theme which is K-Sara.

01:06:44
Okay, k-sara.

01:06:46
Speaker 2: And it is covered by the incredible, like

01:06:55
incomparable, pixies from Boston .

01:06:59
And I just remember and I've talked about it before how I

01:07:05
fell in love with them.

01:07:06
I saw the Pixies at the Paradise Rock Club on.

01:07:10
Is it ComF?

01:07:12
No, I don't think it's ComF.

01:07:14
I can't think of the name of the street.

01:07:16
I know if you pass Ellis the Rimman, you have gone too far.

01:07:21
At any rate, they played at the Paradise Rock Club, which you

01:07:26
too played there Like.

01:07:28
I think it was 1982, right before they blew up, and they

01:07:34
mentioned it in Party Girl.

01:07:36
I think that they are there.

01:07:39
But anyway, the Pixies is one of the quintessential not new wave

01:07:46
, but oh God, what was that music I just so loved?

01:07:49
All of a sudden I'm drawing a total blank.

01:07:51
But you know, they inspired bands like Nirvana, and Black

01:07:57
Francis was the lead singer and then Joey Santiago was the lead

01:08:04
guitarist and he was amazing.

01:08:08
And then Kim Deal was also the bass player and she was vocals.

01:08:13
She went on to found the band the breeders, and then Dave

01:08:19
Levering was the drums, plays drums.

01:08:22
But at any rate, looking through this song, why do you

01:08:28
think?

01:08:29
Or what do you think?

01:08:31
Why and what do you think this song means to the show.

01:08:36
What is it trying to say to you ?

01:08:39
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, first off, that anything is

01:08:43
possible and that, whether after listening to both versions, the

01:08:49
Doris Day and the Pixies version that I thought at first

01:08:55
it was going to be Boyd and possibly Victor's journey, or

01:09:02
maybe even Jim, but it could just be any, it could be all of

01:09:07
their journeys.

01:09:08
Speaker 2: You know, I will say, you know, when you hear the

01:09:13
Dars Day version, which we all probably grew up with, or yeah,

01:09:20
other things like that brushing my hair in the morning like the

01:09:25
first and second grade and giving me banana curls and then

01:09:29
smoking her cigarette behind me while she's drinking her coffee.

01:09:34
Speaker 1: But the point being is.

01:09:35
The point being is you hear that and then you hear this

01:09:38
version and they change the words just a little bit and

01:09:41
you're like whoa, this is.

01:09:43
I mean, we didn't even realize it was the, you know the pixies.

01:09:48
Speaker 2: I know I feel so stupid.

01:09:50
I know I feel so stupid.

01:09:53
I'd never looked into it and the thing is that it was never a

01:09:57
secret that it was the pixies.

01:09:59
It was always right there in the credits.

01:10:02
I just never thought to look because you know why, and I told

01:10:07
you this, I always fast forwarded through the

01:10:11
introduction of the show, the opening credits, Always, and I

01:10:15
didn't start watching it, I think, until you said something

01:10:21
about the drawings.

01:10:22
And I'm like, I remember drawings but I don't know what

01:10:24
you're talking about.

01:10:25
And I went back and I watched it, but it's just when Doris Day

01:10:34
sings it.

01:10:34
For me it's full of hope and possibilities.

01:10:39
And then listening to Black Francis sing it his voice

01:10:48
doesn't say that to me.

01:10:49
And there's many covers of this song.

01:10:54
Pink Martini has a cover and, yeah, they change the words, but

01:10:59
it's, I think it's more about moving the different stanzas

01:11:06
around and not singing them all or singing them in the same

01:11:11
order.

01:11:11
They move it to suit the message that they're trying to

01:11:15
put out there and this whole thing is k-s-r-a-s-r-a To me.

01:11:24
It just says what will be, what is the message of this song in

01:11:33
reference to this show, which makes me feel hopeless, Meaning,

01:11:42
I have no way to affect change on my situation, I'm trapped.

01:11:49
That's what it said to me when I was looking at this.

01:11:53
There's just whatever's going to happen, it's going to happen,

01:11:57
and to me it just felt a little bit preordained.

01:12:03
Moving on.

01:12:07
We got our first go ahead, sorry.

01:12:10
Speaker 1: I was going to say.

01:12:11
Speaker 2: the other song that we need to really talk about is

01:12:14
we gotta get out of this place If this last thing we ever do.

01:12:20
Another song we grew up with.

01:12:26
Speaker 1: And it plays kind of interestingly enough, because

01:12:30
you think that when you first hear it, when the jukebox starts

01:12:33
going off, oh, it's just kind of TV stuff.

01:12:37
But no, in this place the radio just goes off.

01:12:40
And I just want to.

01:12:42
It's on the radio, it's the jukebox.

01:12:44
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, jukebox, because there's the other radio

01:12:47
that all of a sudden they'll be static.

01:12:49
Speaker 1: Well, we're not going to talk about that.

01:12:50
Speaker 2: Yet this song plays in the second scene of the show,

01:12:56
right, or the second vignette, because we have Boyd with the

01:13:00
bell.

01:13:00
But then when they cut to the diner, when Sarah pushes it not

01:13:06
pushes but ushers everyone out, locks the door, touches the

01:13:10
talisman, then the jukebox plays .

01:13:13
Speaker 1: So looking at the lyrics, it just goes.

01:13:17
I know everybody probably knows them, but you probably don't.

01:13:19
Actually, If you read them it kind of makes sense In this

01:13:23
dirty part of the city where the sun refuses to shine.

01:13:28
People tell me I'm not singing.

01:13:35
Speaker 2: Go ahead.

01:13:37
Speaker 1: People tell me there ain't no use in trying.

01:13:40
Now, my girl, you're so young and pretty and one thing I know

01:13:46
is true won't be dead before your time is due.

01:13:50
I know, watch my daddy in bed a dyin' Now I mean, yes, it goes

01:13:57
on, but that's kind of like the whole first scene.

01:14:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I did was I numbered all the lines, just

01:14:04
so I could break it apart a little bit.

01:14:07
To me, line one in this dirty old part of the city, by the way

01:14:14
, there's 38 lines.

01:14:15
I'm not going to talk about all 38.

01:14:18
Speaker 1: You sure I'm sorry because it's only been an hour

01:14:20
and a half.

01:14:21
Speaker 2: We're almost there.

01:14:22
Speaker 1: For a real watch.

01:14:23
I'm almost done.

01:14:25
Speaker 2: I'm almost done too.

01:14:26
It's just there's a lot of repetition.

01:14:28
But line one in this dirty old part of the city To me, the

01:14:34
dirty old part of the city is often left behind, it's hidden

01:14:38
away, it's forgotten and considered lost.

01:14:41
So that's line one.

01:14:45
Line three people tell me there ain't no use in trying.

01:14:50
To me that's all about hopelessness of being trapped in

01:14:53
fromville.

01:14:55
Line four now my girl, you're so young and pretty, it doesn't

01:15:01
matter who you are.

01:15:02
Even the pretty girl dies right .

01:15:05
Line six you'll be dead before your time is due.

01:15:09
You'll die in inevitable, horrific death.

01:15:13
Line seven and eight watch my daddy in bed, adi, and watch his

01:15:21
hair been turning gray.

01:15:23
They're all there to die.

01:15:25
It's the only way out is death.

01:15:28
Line nine he's been working and slaving his life away.

01:15:34
Oh, yes, I know it.

01:15:36
No matter what, there is no escape.

01:15:39
Like death is the only escape.

01:15:42
They can do anything they want, try anything they want.

01:15:46
There is no way out.

01:15:48
Lines 13, 14, 15, if it's the last thing we ever do, we got to

01:15:55
get out of this place because, girls, there's a better place, a

01:16:00
better life for me and you.

01:16:01
They must fight to survive and escape to the last breath, but

01:16:07
they're not getting out.

01:16:08
That's all that says to me.

01:16:11
So lines 29 through 30, girl, there's a better life for me and

01:16:15
you somewhere, baby, somehow I know it.

01:16:19
Baby, we got to get out of this place, no matter the fault with

01:16:23
the world.

01:16:24
It is better than being trapped in Farmville.

01:16:27
So, basically, it's all about how they're trapped there and

01:16:35
they're never getting out, ever.

01:16:38
That is my conclusion.

01:16:42
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see.

01:16:44
The last thing that we do want to talk about, or I wanted to

01:16:48
talk about, was the title, and, speaking with everyone that

01:16:57
we've spoken to for the past year, things don't happen for a

01:17:01
reason.

01:17:01
The writers, the director and the creators are all veterans,

01:17:08
so they have a sense of history.

01:17:10
A long day's journey into night .

01:17:13
Speaker 2: What type of history are you talking about?

01:17:17
Speaker 1: Just all kinds of history, tv play, whatever.

01:17:20
One of the greatest playwrights , eugene O'Neill.

01:17:25
That was the title.

01:17:29
Speaker 2: A long journey into night.

01:17:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to deal to 20th century American family

01:17:38
based in.

01:17:39
It's a single day in August of 1912.

01:17:43
It's set in a cottage, a Monte Cristo cottage, similar to the

01:17:49
colony house.

01:17:50
Now it's not seaside but it is in Connecticut.

01:17:53
There's four main characters and you've got an older brother,

01:17:59
their parents, you've got the characters in there and the

01:18:04
parents are blaming the two sons .

01:18:08
So there is there's a lot of bitterness and jealousy and the

01:18:16
bottom line, folks, is there is a lot to this show and I'm going

01:18:23
to go back.

01:18:23
I mean, I haven't had a chance to go back and really do a deep

01:18:26
dive on that because I can't even remember the last time I

01:18:28
saw it, but you may want to take a look at it because it may be

01:18:33
a precursor or it may give us some little senses.

01:18:36
I know everybody loves you know this explains everything.

01:18:40
This explains everything.

01:18:41
We don't have a clue and it could be something as simple as

01:18:46
going, as I said from the beginning, we're going back,

01:18:49
we're going way back and it could be an old trope, but we're

01:18:53
going to have to find out.

01:18:54
That being said, you have any other notes?

01:19:01
Speaker 2: No, I'm excited to go on to episode two.

01:19:05
Speaker 1: All right, folks.

01:19:06
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01:19:44
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01:19:50
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01:19:54
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01:19:59
season of Run For your Lives.

01:20:03
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01:20:08
sure that you guys knew about it .

01:20:09
That's our show and my name is Alex and I'm Lucy, and we'll see

01:20:16
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01:20:17
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