48: FROM MGM+ DEEP DIVE Rewatch (S.1 EP.2) “The Way Things Are Now“

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Speaker 2: Redicence.

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Oh okay, good old residence.

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Speaker 3: Okay, not reticence.

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I'm like, I'm reticent, I don't know, but Jim doesn't wanna

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believe them, because this is not normal If you've been in a

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crash and you hear people around you.

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Speaker 2: They're there to help .

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Speaker 3: They're there to help you, but the only thing that

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Boyd and Christie can think is we've gotta keep this guy busy

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so he doesn't turn around and let these monsters in, and

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they're just knocking on the walls.

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It's kind of like you gotta remember that undercarriage is

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here.

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One of the sides with the windows is on top of them.

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And the windows below them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, not to mention.

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Wait, not to mention.

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Oh yeah, his kid is seizing during this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: He's adding another layer of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot going on.

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I mean that just adds to the urgency for Jim.

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My kid is having seizures and these people are here to help us

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.

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And yet these other two people are the crazy ones.

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And then they're saying, well, they've gotta stay out, Because

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in what world does this make sense other than from Bill?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much.

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Yeah, I mean it is the wackiest world of all, but yeah, I just

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love how Boyd is so calm.

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Speaker 3: He's not getting excited.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is he really knows how to read

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Christie.

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He's just, you know, breathe.

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Speaker 1: Yep, keep it right, Just breathe, we're gonna be

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fine.

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Stay focused.

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Speaker 2: Just focus on the job , and a real leader knows how to

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do that and I just loved every second of it.

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But you know, they didn't know if the detachment was gonna work

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.

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Speaker 3: No, they had to hope that it would.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of hopes and dreams going on.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting because you put it at one window

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or door and it protects the whole structure.

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It's not like you have to put one on every side.

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So they're there and it's got it's quiet, tenseness going on.

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And then we go to the folks trying to run up a hill to call

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any house in the pouring rain and you know it's don't look at

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anybody, Don't stop for anybody, Just keep going.

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And it's like Kenny and Kattree and Ellis are herding cats on

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the way up hill.

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Yeah, you know cause.

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Julie's running along with Kenny for a second.

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Then she turns around and she's home and runs back to her

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mother and pulls her up with them.

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So it's Kenny and Tabitha.

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Speaker 2: And then Jade freaking falls and collapses and

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all.

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Speaker 3: Into this big pit of mud.

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I know Kattree is back with him , and then Ellis goes running

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back.

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You motherfucker, come on, come on.

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Speaker 2: His proclivities were all out of whack there.

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Speaker 3: Oh my God, my proclivities is to lie face down

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in a pile of mud in the pouring rain.

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I just love it.

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But and then Kenny actually yells leave him.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh okay, and Jade is.

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I mean, he was a liability before because he was high, and

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now he's unconscious, so he's just a solid liability.

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Speaker 2: And at this point, folks, when we're watching this

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the first time, our love for Jade was not exactly on the high

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end.

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We're like he's a red shirt and Star Trek, he is totally gone.

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Speaker 3: I hate that bastard.

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Exactly I hate him, I hate him.

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Anyway, then we go and we get an interior shot of.

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We get an interior shot of the colony house.

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Speaker 2: And we guys Everybody's just doing their own

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thing, everybody's having fun.

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There's a guy playing in the organ.

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Speaker 3: There's another guy, this old guy, token up Like I

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thought his face was gonna go up in a fireball.

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There's someone just sitting on the couch with their feet up

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enjoying that organ music and everyone else is just hanging

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out and we actually we get a shot of Trudy walking by the

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staircase.

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And then this woman.

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She's just walking through the room and decides to open the

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curtains and look out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it sounded like she.

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It seemed like she like he heard something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then, all of a sudden it was better than

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to look out the window, but that wasn't normal.

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But it could have been Like they can't trust those monsters.

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I mean, yeah, they tend to be very calm and low key and not in

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a rush to do anything, but I would think that they would do

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anything to get them to come outside you know if they can't

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mesmerize them directly.

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they have to get them with an eye shot so that they can

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hypnotize them.

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But she looks out the window and she's there's runners on the

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hill, and the thing is, the monsters don't run.

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Wherever they're going, they're walking.

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They've got their good rockport shoes on and they're out for

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their evening stroll.

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And so she goes to the staircase and she starts ringing

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that bell like the house is on fire.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and and that was pretty cool.

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Yeah, you know what's kind of a neat thing?

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That both Colony House and the town have their own bell.

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Yeah, I mean, it's not really that big of a deal.

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They're not the same bell, though.

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Speaker 3: They're not the same kind of bell.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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I understand that, but it's just interesting that they do

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have a bell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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I mean Boyd just walks around and says, hey, it's time to go

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in.

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That's what they do with their bell.

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And at the Colony House the bell is an alarm and so everyone

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comes running.

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And the thing about this woman I was like, oh my gosh, is this

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Clara?

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And I was like, did they film the pilot episode?

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You know, like way ahead, got the approval and then came back

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and filmed the rest of the show.

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But I don't think they did that at all.

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Because, even if they did, katarina's hair would not have

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grown that fast unless it was extensions and that woman didn't

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look like Katarina, like her face-.

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Right, no, it wasn't Katarina now it was the kerchief, I would

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probably wear a kerchief most of the time.

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So then we're outside Colony House and they're still making

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their way and Julie is pulling Tabitha along and Kenny is just

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pushing Tabitha along and he tells them not to look back.

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And then Fatima runs to a window while the bell is ringing

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and she, you know, she sees that the people are out there

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and she goes to tell the guy with the rifle at the door to

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let them in, and he says they're not our people.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: How did you take that meaning?

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Speaker 2: I took that as their town people that got caught and

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they made their choice.

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So that is the choice that they made.

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Oh, I think that it's kind of it was a weird situation,

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because I think he thinks the way you were thinking about the

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monsters what do you mean?

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Meaning that they could do anything.

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But he's also trying to follow his own rules.

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You know, donna says it's Donna's rules, it's whatever

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Donna says goes Donna, we trust.

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And he wasn't thinking clearly.

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And I think Donna actually says when she comes down the stairs,

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she's let him in.

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Put the gun down, open the door, and he didn't want to do it.

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Speaker 3: No, he was reluctant.

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And the thing is, there's a couple of things that are said

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in this episode where I had to stop and think, and one of them

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was they're not our people, and it could have been.

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Those are just monsters, you know, trying to fool us.

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Speaker 2: Or-, or it's the town .

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Speaker 3: It's the town and we have no allegiance to them

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whatsoever.

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And that Is kind of scary when you think about it, that he's

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basically an automaton that can't think for himself.

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Speaker 2: And God help him if he got stuck down in the town

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and needed to go in someplace but see, I think fear does a lot

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of things to people and you revert back to what you know and

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in this case, what do you know the rule?

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We don't know what the rule is.

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We don't open the door after dark and he just kind of freaked

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out and that's okay.

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Yeah, because it all worked out in the end.

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Yeah, but as before they do open that door, something

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interesting happens, and I like to call it the porch monsters.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, hold on a second.

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No because we're not there yet.

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Speaker 2: So we were nope.

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Speaker 3: You know, fatima is screaming in his face.

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Alice is out there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that was the other thing that really

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bothered me.

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Yeah, about this guy.

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Speaker 3: He would not.

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He, he did not have that thing.

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Just he couldn't make an executive, you know, decision,

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donna had to make it for him.

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So then we're back outside and we've got the group, the six of

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them are at the door and they're all yelling and Ellis is, like

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you know, open the door, donna, open the door, julie, screaming

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we need your help, you know.

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And Ellis is just Donna, donna, donna.

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Donna can hear him and this is when she comes flying down the

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stairs and she's open the fucking door, idiot, right.

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And you can hear country calling Donna's name and calling

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to her and the guy reminds her.

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The guy is but you said we don't open the door after dark,

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you know, and no one comes in.

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And and she's.

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Are you really gonna let those people die?

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I know, like he's not a thinker , he's, you're definite, like

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your soldier.

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But basically what we get out of that is Donna is the boss.

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What Donna says goes.

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So then we're on the porch and everyone's banging on the door

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Begging to be let in and then all of a sudden, like Ellis sees

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them come around the corner and it's six monsters.

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And we've got the teen boy in front, the bride, some

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Undistinguishable woman, a man in a suit and hat and then

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there's a woman next to him and then there's the milkman.

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And so when we're looking at the teen boy, he is like your

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teen heartthrob and we know we've.

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We know this because we've seen enough of the monsters.

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They're all in like period clothing of the 60s right.

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And so I'm looking at this kid and he's waving at her and At

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Julie, weird, oh, he's waving.

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Like this, like he can't speak, but this head turn.

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And his hair is just kind of flopped over as his forehead and

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looks kind of hot.

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You know, I mean they're soaked and I'm looking at the clothes

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and with it being soaked, he looks like any kid we'd see

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rolling around a high school now right.

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Right but also, if he was dried off, his clothes would be 60s

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appropriate, you know.

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And he says and the thing that gets me is Tabitha sees Julie

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Migrating towards him and Tabitha says don't look at that.

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What did Tabitha mean by that?

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How does she know that it's a that?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question don't look at that.

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And could it just?

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I mean, there's two ways of looking at it.

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It could have been just the way she, I Don't know unless she

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meant don't get distracted by that you know, I mean, and I say

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this, it could have gotten quote-unquote lost in

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translation, because she's got oh, I thought you had a hand

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behind your shoulder.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: Folks, a little bit.

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Later I'm gonna do be doing hand puppets for YouTube, but

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yeah, yeah, it does look like it is my show, my god, it looks

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really weird.

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There's a monster back there, so no, but I think it might be

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like almost one of two things.

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One, there's more to it than you think, as you normally think

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yeah, or two, it could be lost in translation the way she says

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things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or it just could be that as a whole don't

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look over there.

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Yeah or just don't look at that go over here, yeah yeah, and he

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oddly says he addresses her by name Julie.

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Don't you recognize me, julie?

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Speaker 2: and that's creepy right, what was creepy was?

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It makes you go right back to the first episode with the

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little girl Megan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these monsters are no joke.

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They're playing on it, they're not playing with.

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They're not playing with a normal deck, they're playing

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with a rigged deck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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And so Kenny realized that, realizes that that Julie's been

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sucked in.

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So he comes, he pulls her back and shoots the guy, the kid, and

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it hits him in the shoulder and all Like this, and then he

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gives him a smirk.

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Yeah you know.

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So that that whole scene this is our first really up close.

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Look at all of these monsters.

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And we're like, holy shit, guns don't work.

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And I remember the first time I saw that I was like what are we

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gonna do now?

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we don't have any silver bullets

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because we don't need them.

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Speaker 3: No so then the door opens and they all go flying in

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and an unconscious jade is just dumped on the stairs and Cotry

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stands over him and Donna immediately starts in.

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Whether get on your knees, get on your knees.

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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I love this why do you love it?

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Because, as Crazy as it is, she still has.

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She's like boyd in the sense of .

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Speaker 3: Okay, so Alex has frozen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you froze to.

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So, as I was saying, what I found really fascinating was she

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was the calm of this whole situation and she stayed within

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the protocol Because she knows more than anybody how people

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freak out.

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Yeah, and unfortunately you know she's one of the few people

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that has had to come into this world at night.

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So you add that on top of it.

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And then if you put your whole mole theory on top of it which

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I'm not going there, but I just love that whole chaos of it all

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and how Ellis is but, donna, these people are good, I vouch

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for them.

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No, we have a protocol, yeah, we tie your hands and they're like

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what are you doing?

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We didn't do anything and it's like they're in trouble and

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they're trying to explain.

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What I love about both Boyd and Donna, or just the people in

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from other than the Matthews people, is they all know

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something but they're trying not to say what it is because it's

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a little batshit crazy.

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And I've always been that kind of person that can pick up on

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when people are like looking and talking and stuff like that and

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there's like another thing going on.

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And it wasn't that they made it , you know, unobvious because it

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was so obvious.

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It was just, you know, both Donna I should say Collin house

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and Boyd and Christie, and it pretty clear that there's

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something else going on.

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We're not telling you.

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So I just I not that I loved it as much as I just thought it's

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just classic.

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It's where I first started our love of Donna.

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Speaker 3: I just, I Just find her so Fascinating.

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This episode you know, the first episode all we don't

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really see anything from her, not much.

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Speaker 2: She's like being a jerk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you kind of think she's a jerk and we

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know she's like a little bit Brusk, you know.

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But in this episode we get to see a lot.

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We don't see everything about her, but we do get to see a lot

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about her.

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And the thing is they don't know these people.

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And one thing we keep hearing over and over again Everyone

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acts differently on their first night.

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Speaker 2: You know right, Everybody does back differently.

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Yeah, and they could lose their lives by letting someone in and

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not knowing how they're going to and the bottom line is, you

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know, they have a protocol for a reason and it fails them down

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the road, just like it failed the Maggie.

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I'm sorry, who's the girl?

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Megan?

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Megan, yeah, it failed Megan and his mom and her mom.

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Yeah, you know, there's a reason why there's protocols,

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yeah, so that's why we really have to look at this stuff.

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And Donna doesn't do this because she wants to.

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No, she isn't doing this.

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Be boy Doesn't telling Megan you need to go in and listen to

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your mother because he feels like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

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And the thing is like this.

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I mean, look at it from Tabitha and Julie's point of view.

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This is scary horror movie stuff.

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You know, like literally we get picked up, like we're separated

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from our dad and husband and our you know brother, and you

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know we're running up this hill in the rain and it's everyone is

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, you know, really run, and we don't know why we're running.

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Speaker 2: We're just running because they're telling us to,

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and then we get into this house and they're like, you know you

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see, this is what I find fascinating and something Donna

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says Last year I should say last season which really applies to

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this.

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You know she was saying it.

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I forget exactly who she was saying it to it, it might even

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been to Boyd or or or someone else and they're like.

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She was like yeah, they think you know, colony house is just

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this crazy hippie, no rules type place.

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We're a community, just like you are in the town and we have

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different rules, but you know what?

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The the same rules apply, the same protocol, still a pride,

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right, we just do it in a different way.

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You know we're a colony house.

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We, you know, have people having sex on the bed, I mean on

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the couch.

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You know where you guys are.

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Whatever versus you, know you?

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Everybody has their own little deal in the town.

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I just think that there are rules in this world and we just

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have to learn how to find them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right.

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So we go back to the RV and things have gotten quiet and Jim

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Question starts questioning Boyd and he's.

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So you said that they aren't people.

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So what are they?

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And you know that's.

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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck,

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but we don't know.

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But we do know that these talismans will protect us.

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If we hang it in a window and Close all the windows and doors,

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they can't get in.

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We don't know why it works, we just know that it does.

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And Jim says but that's impossible.

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I don't know if you're there or not, but I'm gonna keep going.

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Jim says that's impossible, and Boyd is it is impossible.

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We're all dealing with this.

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It's boyd is telling him one thing, and you know, and then

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agreeing to what boy Jim is saying.

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So this is the thing that I kind of found interesting.

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Christie asks if Ethan is prone to seizures and and no, never

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had it before, this has never happened before.

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And then Christie and Boyd exchange this knowing glance.

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I saw that check and it made me wonder is this the start of a

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Normalization for Ethan to this area?

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He has the seizure and it kind of tunes him in Right, it

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bounces his brain around a little bit and tunes him in to

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this new place and Then it makes you ask is he special if that's

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what's happening?

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Is he special?

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If so, what so special about him?

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So Christie, you know, explains it away like it could be, you

00:32:11
know, trauma from the accident.

00:32:12
It just could be his body's response to this injury.

00:32:16
All of that, ethan wakes up, christie gives him a sedative

00:32:21
and it's like night to Ethan, right.

00:32:23
Then we go back to the colony house and there's this nice

00:32:28
little scene when Ellis is putting Jade to bed, straps him

00:32:33
down right.

00:32:35
Speaker 2: I love this scene.

00:32:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great, and Trudy comes in and she's

00:32:38
just so beautiful, oh so handsome.

00:32:43
Finally, my prince has come.

00:32:46
Look at that watch.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: Wait, I watch.

00:32:50
I love her line.

00:32:51
He's handsome even with blood on his face.

00:32:56
Speaker 3: She doesn't care and I'm like I wonder who's clothes

00:32:59
she's wearing, because now she's changed from what she was

00:33:03
wearing on the first Floor, she's wearing something else on

00:33:06
the second floor and we get a close-up look at Jade's watch

00:33:11
and it says 1215.

00:33:13
Is it 1215?

00:33:15
Did it stop at 1215 in the afternoon, or did it's?

00:33:20
Is it keeping time?

00:33:21
And now it's 1215 at night right and I Don't even know that

00:33:27
it means anything, right.

00:33:29
Speaker 2: All I know is I wish you know that's one of the few

00:33:32
characters that we haven't gotten on.

00:33:34
Cynthia Jim is Hicks.

00:33:36
I would love to talk to her because she just seems like she

00:33:41
would be so much fun and Plus she's been on Harry Potter on

00:33:48
Broadway.

00:33:50
Speaker 3: Know that, but I love this Trudy character.

00:33:53
I think, yes, she's Got an interesting comedic beat in the

00:34:00
show.

00:34:03
Speaker 2: I think they made a mistake.

00:34:04
Yeah, I'll run her off.

00:34:05
Yeah, just they could have had a lot of fun with her and she

00:34:10
could have gotten herself into some good jams.

00:34:12
Yeah, I'm a relief jams, I'm saying yeah, exactly, all right.

00:34:17
Speaker 3: I have this question too, because Jada's leave us

00:34:20
watch alone.

00:34:20
Neither one of us have any need for a watch leave it alone,

00:34:24
right?

00:34:24
And I'm thinking they do keep track of time, because in the

00:34:30
first episode, you know it's two hours to sunset, then it's 40

00:34:35
minutes of daylight left, right?

00:34:36
So they are keeping track of time.

00:34:38
And I'm wondering, with the cold weather setting in At the

00:34:45
end of season two and we know that they're filming in winter

00:34:49
will it be Night all the time?

00:34:52
And if so, oh, my god.

00:34:59
Speaker 2: And if it is night, then they got another problem.

00:35:01
Forget the monsters, they've got a food issue.

00:35:04
I know right they already have a food issue.

00:35:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll let, yeah, it won't last for long.

00:35:11
Speaker 2: That's although you know.

00:35:12
You know somebody in colony house knows how to do some.

00:35:16
Was it hydroponic pot growing?

00:35:18
Speaker 3: So we'll know how to do that.

00:35:20
Or, you know, create a little well, bottom is the one that

00:35:23
brought the weed in yeah, yeah, but it just it would make like,

00:35:30
because this would be like trying to squeeze them out of

00:35:33
the house If they've gotten, because that was 96 nights they

00:35:38
went without a fatality, right, that's not good for those

00:35:42
monsters, you know like they were just like, finally, you

00:35:45
know when, this night they basically begged Sarah to leave

00:35:49
the door open, right, so that they could have a meal.

00:35:51
But If they're getting better, if they got better at Not being

00:36:01
killed every night because they found those talismans, they've

00:36:06
got to get people to leave those houses at night and the only

00:36:11
way to do it would be to make it it night 24 hours but I'm gonna

00:36:17
go back to this statement which I said before, not tonight, but

00:36:21
in the previous podcast.

00:36:25
Speaker 2: There's another entity.

00:36:26
So the way it works is you've got the people are people right?

00:36:34
You've got the monsters, and then you've got the squirrelly

00:36:42
Boss, the man in the sky, and we're gonna talk about.

00:36:45
Speaker 3: So got the dogs and we've got the boy in white and

00:36:50
now we've got those little kids like but my point being is there

00:36:56
is something, there's layers above the monsters that we have

00:36:59
to worry about.

00:37:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely the monsters could be

00:37:03
just as, as I Mean.

00:37:06
I know this sounds kind of silly, but the monsters could be

00:37:10
another group and Again, I know I'm going on a total island

00:37:16
here, but they could just be another for lack of a term race

00:37:21
of the creatures that live in this world and they just happen

00:37:26
to do what they do.

00:37:27
I'm not here to, yeah, but I'm really fascinated with to see

00:37:32
how they're going to implement our Try, the kids and the symbol

00:37:38
and the the monsters, because the monsters kind of are

00:37:42
Incidental right now and the not right now in this episode, but

00:37:47
in the future.

00:37:48
Speaker 3: Yeah so yeah anyway, so now we're up in Donna's room

00:37:55
and Tabitha has our hands tied behind her back and she's

00:37:58
sitting in a chair and in Donna comes in and and all Tabitha

00:38:03
wants is, understandably, is my daughter okay?

00:38:07
And Donna says she's good, she's fine.

00:38:11
And Donna goes around you know she's, you know getting things

00:38:16
ready to have this conversation with Tabitha and Apologizes

00:38:20
she's you're gonna understand everything really soon.

00:38:22
And she assures her a second time Julia's good, julia's fine.

00:38:28
And I'm like why say it that way, you know?

00:38:32
So Tabitha gets untied, she tries to make a run for the door

00:38:38
, she opens the door, there's another guy with a rifle and

00:38:41
they leave the door open.

00:38:43
Donna gets her back in and they sit there and Donna says you

00:38:49
know what?

00:38:49
None of this makes sense yet, but these are precautions we

00:38:53
have to take, and this is another reference to the

00:38:56
protocol.

00:38:57
We don't know you, everyone acts differently on the first night

00:39:01
and everyone in this town, in this house, has been right where

00:39:08
you are right now.

00:39:09
Everyone has been in this position, which is really Kind

00:39:14
of scary.

00:39:15
If you're Tabitha, what are you thinking?

00:39:18
What do you mean?

00:39:19
Everyone has been in this position.

00:39:21
What is going on?

00:39:22
Like it just adds to that and then you can't see your kid.

00:39:26
You know, and we did, they take her and you know we're in this

00:39:30
weird place and Donna is.

00:39:33
You'll see her, but first we've got a chat and you need to know

00:39:37
about the way things are now and I love what she says to her,

00:39:43
how she starts it off.

00:39:45
This will be the worst conversation of your life.

00:39:48
Speaker 2: I just love that line .

00:39:49
I just love it.

00:39:51
Speaker 3: Tabitha is like.

00:39:52
I doubt it.

00:39:54
I've already lost my infant son , so I don't think this will be

00:39:58
the worst conversation of my life, you know.

00:40:01
But then Donna says do you believe in monsters?

00:40:06
I know, in.

00:40:09
The strange thing is yeah, all right.

00:40:12
This is like my I don't know six, seventh time seeing the

00:40:16
episode right overall Every single time.

00:40:21
I completely forgot that.

00:40:24
Tabitha says to Ethan Monsters aren't real In the first episode

00:40:31
, yep, and then Donna looks at her and says do you believe in

00:40:35
monsters?

00:40:36
I know anyway.

00:40:37
Then we go down to the colony house kitchen and poor Julie is

00:40:43
just sitting in this room by herself with her hands tied and

00:40:47
her hands are behind the back of the chair on top.

00:40:51
So she is defenseless and just very exposed, you know, and

00:40:58
Incomes Victor.

00:40:59
We meet Victor for the first time and he comes in with his

00:41:03
Victor energy, like I'm a little bit odd, I Look kind of weird

00:41:10
Compared to other people, like a acting kind of weird, and he's

00:41:15
just in there looking for some peaches, you know, and he's, you

00:41:19
know.

00:41:20
He walks right up to her, stands over her, reaches down

00:41:25
behind her.

00:41:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of creepy.

00:41:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is very scary and you know he's just

00:41:31
walking, he's.

00:41:32
You know, sometimes I don't get to get the peaches, but you

00:41:36
know Donna will look the other way sometimes and this is all

00:41:42
about Donna Managing people in a crisis.

00:41:48
Environment right you cannot be rigid.

00:41:52
Sometimes you have to look the other way.

00:41:55
And so he talks about the two cars and we have two different

00:42:03
conversations about the two cars , because Jade and Trudy are

00:42:08
like can you believe two cars showed up in the same day?

00:42:12
That has never happened before.

00:42:14
And then Victor Like, two scenes later is you know that

00:42:20
hasn't happened in a long time, that two cars have shown up on

00:42:24
the same day?

00:42:25
And Julie's just like, looking at him the whole time like she's

00:42:29
not saying anything to him.

00:42:31
And Fatima comes in right because I love this.

00:42:38
He gets too close to her and then Fatima comes in and she's

00:42:42
Victor.

00:42:42
You know the rules.

00:42:44
You know get your peaches and go.

00:42:46
You know get out of here get your pictures and go back.

00:42:49
Yeah, just shoo.

00:42:51
And the thing that kind of surprised me about Fatima is

00:42:55
that she seems to be Very she has compassion for people and I

00:43:03
really didn't like I mean it was apt, but I didn't like that she

00:43:07
said this that he's creepy but he's harmless, I Mean I think

00:43:13
because he is no, but I mean, she's a woman, yeah, she's a.

00:43:19
Speaker 2: She's.

00:43:20
You got this teenager who is tied up, doesn't know where she

00:43:25
is, and she's probably, you know , she's closer to her age than

00:43:30
Donna's age, for lack of a better term and yeah, he's a

00:43:33
little creepy but he's harmless, you know, just don't worry

00:43:36
about it, he's, it'll be fine.

00:43:38
Speaker 3: I mean I heard a finish to follow it up with.

00:43:41
He's really nice.

00:43:45
That's what I wanted her to say, but Fatima also is you just

00:43:51
have to focus on the good things here, like don't look at those

00:43:55
monsters Out there that will eat you, just focus on the good

00:44:00
things.

00:44:00
And you know she tells Julie that she's her proxy and you

00:44:06
know that means that I'll speak for you and I'll be here for you

00:44:11
and all of that stuff.

00:44:13
And so she says you know, I want to show you something.

00:44:17
You know, do you want to see it ?

00:44:19
So they go up to the attic bedroom that Ellis and Fatima

00:44:24
share and Julie walks in and she's like looking at all the

00:44:29
artwork and she's just amazed, you know yeah.

00:44:34
Yeah.

00:44:34
And Fatima says you know what?

00:44:37
And this to me sounded creepy.

00:44:39
I bet Ellis would love to draw you, you're so beautiful.

00:44:44
And Julie looks at her and she says that's not funny.

00:44:48
And Like we all knew it wasn't a funny line and we didn't think

00:44:56
that Fatima was teasing her, but if to think about what

00:45:00
Julie's life has been, oh yeah, she has no idea who these people

00:45:04
are.

00:45:04
Speaker 2: They could be like some who knows what it's.

00:45:07
Speaker 3: I know that was.

00:45:08
It was kind of creepy, I thought what Fatima said.

00:45:11
But the thing is, julie's been living in a house of mourning.

00:45:15
No one's paying attention to her.

00:45:18
You know, like her mom isn't saying you're not gonna wear

00:45:23
that out, are you like her mom isn't doing that kind of stuff?

00:45:26
Yeah, like the mom is not too.

00:45:30
You know no one.

00:45:34
So we're back.

00:45:44
I don't know if you noticed what you left, but but then so

00:45:51
Julie, I mean.

00:45:51
Speaker 2: Julie had some issues .

00:45:52
Julie had some issues and she wasn't getting a lot of

00:45:56
attention, yeah, and you know getting that spotlight.

00:46:00
This is the beginning of a beautiful Friendship.

00:46:04
It's the beginning of the groundwork for next episode.

00:46:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know what it is, I'm not that

00:46:10
far yet.

00:46:10
But Fatima starts the education and she's you have to keep the

00:46:15
windows covered at night and it's harder for them to trick

00:46:18
you if you can't see them.

00:46:20
The problem was Megan opened the window, you know, and moved

00:46:24
the curtain and then the woman just was like whoo, did off.

00:46:27
So you know, fatima is Trying to Worn her.

00:46:33
She's they whisper and they can get in your head and you know,

00:46:37
like that one said your name.

00:46:39
You know, like they, they can convince you of things.

00:46:43
And then this is one of our, you know, one of our favorite

00:46:46
things is looking out the window and she says you know, don't

00:46:50
look down, just look straight out and you can see there's this

00:46:54
beautiful crescent moon and there's the houses down in the

00:46:58
town and all they.

00:46:59
The lights are on and I'm like, oh, I want to draw that with

00:47:02
crayons.

00:47:03
So bad.

00:47:03
But she says she wanted her to know that if you climb high

00:47:11
enough, that even a nightmare can look like a dream, because

00:47:15
that that if you just looked at that, it was beautiful, right?

00:47:18
Right so back to the RV, ethan is stabilized and they're ready

00:47:23
to move the leg or get that Table leg I think it was a table

00:47:28
leg out of Ethan's leg.

00:47:30
And then there's a knock on the RV and a man says you really

00:47:36
should have, let us help you.

00:47:37
And then there's all these noises around the RV and the

00:47:44
thing that that kind of gets me is that Jim doesn't totally pick

00:47:50
up on the fear and concern that void in Christy are feeling now

00:47:58
not at all like it's almost like he thinks that they're

00:48:02
putting on a ruse, you know, like he's not very trusting.

00:48:06
I understand, and Jim is just he asked what happens if they get

00:48:10
in and then boy Doesn't answer it and he repeats the question

00:48:16
and then you can see hear a bunch of them talking and Jim

00:48:19
says but you have a gun.

00:48:21
And then Boyd says something and we, yeah, I don't know

00:48:41
what's going on.

00:48:42
Are you having problems or is it me?

00:48:44
Speaker 2: Yeah it just, you froze up.

00:48:46
Speaker 3: Okay, All right so.

00:48:50
He says, he said so he says you have a gun, which you know in

00:48:54
America is the great problem solver.

00:48:56
And Boyd says but it won't do any good, and we know it won't

00:49:01
do any good, but Jim doesn't know that and he's and boy, just

00:49:04
, you've got to trust me and Jim's, I don't even know you.

00:49:07
I Mean this could just be a super elaborate con, separate

00:49:14
the men from the women type thing, even though Christie's,

00:49:17
they are trying to treat Ethan, you know the big thing is, you

00:49:21
know child slavery and stuff like that.

00:49:23
Anyway, like they just hear them, I'm Talking all around the

00:49:29
RV and they can't get in and so they make sounds like they're

00:49:33
trying to get in, like rattling the door knob.

00:49:35
Even Christie is oh my god, can they get in, are we okay?

00:49:38
And you know knocking on the walls and stuff like that.

00:49:42
And you know boyd is just remember, they're just doing

00:49:46
this to get you to do something stupid, right?

00:49:49
Because your reflex is to go see what's going on absolutely

00:49:55
and then next thing you know you're getting glamored, right.

00:49:58
So then we go back to the colony house and Kenny and Cotry are

00:50:04
talking.

00:50:05
And Kenny is pissed about the way Tabitha and Julie were tied

00:50:10
up like animals and and that they must be scared.

00:50:13
And and you know, kenny is, we don't treat people like this

00:50:19
down in the town.

00:50:20
And Cotry's hey, we're in a different place, we got to

00:50:23
follow their rules, type thing absolutely and you know Ellis

00:50:28
comes in, they exchange a couple of you know words and Kenny

00:50:32
gets a little bit snarky with them and then Ellis digs back at

00:50:36
them and it's just that kind of stuff.

00:50:38
And it's kind of weird because they've got strict rules at the

00:50:45
colony house, the house of love, right.

00:50:48
I know it's not a lot and it's strict, but anything else goes,

00:50:52
but down in the town they don't have the strict rules and no

00:50:56
one's living in the house alone.

00:50:57
So we go to the clinic and we've got Jenny yeah, not genie

00:51:03
Gina from Massachusetts, from Boston.

00:51:06
Anyway, boston, gina and mr Lou are playing chess and Mr Lou

00:51:13
has some English, but you know not a lot, and he's talking to

00:51:18
her about when they came to America and he would play chess

00:51:21
and he didn't have to have English to play because chess is

00:51:27
a common language, and it got me thinking that they need to

00:51:34
learn a common language with the monsters absolutely and then

00:51:39
you know, he let it slip that Fu Han is Kenny's Cantonese name

00:51:45
or Chinese name, and but Kenny wanted to be Americanized.

00:51:50
And then he starts looking around like he's listening to

00:51:54
someone talk to him and I think that they I don't know there

00:52:00
were voices talking to him telling him that we're coming

00:52:05
there tonight, we're gonna have you for dinner right and it's

00:52:08
getting dismissed as dementia Instead.

00:52:13
Let's see.

00:52:13
So we then.

00:52:14
We're up on the top floor and Toby's still laying there dead

00:52:18
in the bed, and Sarah's, you know, across the room rocking

00:52:23
and crying, and she's talking and she's saying I don't want to

00:52:27
, I can't do more, are you sure?

00:52:31
Okay, and then she walks over to Toby and she says I'm so

00:52:36
sorry, and then she pulls the file out of his mouth, or out of

00:52:40
his neck, which has got his tongue pinned and right.

00:52:44
Then she goes and gets a scalpel and cuts his tongue out now why

00:52:49
do you think she cuts his tongue out?

00:52:50
I have no idea.

00:52:53
Speaker 2: There could be a whole bunch of reasons.

00:52:54
I mean, what do you think?

00:52:55
Loose lip sync ships?

00:52:58
No, very good, no, but I mean one.

00:53:03
It could be you want to make a point To if he does survive, you

00:53:07
can't talk.

00:53:09
Speaker 3: But they know she's.

00:53:10
He's already dead because they told her to kill him and make it

00:53:13
look like it was yeah, yeah, I.

00:53:16
Maybe that was why the tongue came out.

00:53:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, all I know is that Her voices are connected,

00:53:27
not to the monsters.

00:53:29
Speaker 3: Okay, so you don't think it has anything to do with

00:53:31
them.

00:53:32
Speaker 2: It has to do with season two.

00:53:33
Okay, because she down the road , and this is a spoiler, I mean,

00:53:38
you know.

00:53:40
Speaker 3: We know this is a rewatch.

00:53:43
Speaker 2: But you know she does have shit in her arms.

00:53:46
Yeah, the same way boy did so.

00:53:48
Therefore, whatever is in season two, she has in her in

00:53:54
season one already.

00:53:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it we know that it's like it says, you

00:53:59
know red room kill the boy.

00:54:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah my point being is I Think they're pulling

00:54:06
the strings for her and the monsters are doing their thing,

00:54:09
and I think he want whatever the entity is trying to make the

00:54:14
monsters the scapegoat, yeah, yeah, and by taking the tongue

00:54:18
out, that may mean something else, but if the monsters eat

00:54:22
him, yeah there's not.

00:54:24
You have to worry about the tongue.

00:54:26
Speaker 3: That's a thing they didn't.

00:54:27
They didn't even go over and get what was there and they

00:54:33
could have.

00:54:34
They just left him, and maybe they don't maybe they don't like

00:54:39
dead meat.

00:54:40
Yeah, like they have to have live.

00:54:42
It has to be live when they go for it.

00:54:44
I mean, and the thing is, there's no fun in, there's no

00:54:50
chase.

00:54:50
Yeah, there's no chase there.

00:54:52
Then we have this weird scene with oh Wait a minute, did I

00:54:58
skip?

00:54:58
Oh, kenny and Kottrie are sitting at the kitchen table.

00:55:02
Speaker 2: And they're just shooting the shit and Alice

00:55:04
there and then Alice bring.

00:55:06
Speaker 3: Alice doesn't come in to that scene, but what Kenny

00:55:10
says is I can't find any more bodies, which we know he will at

00:55:15
the end of the episode right, yeah he's talking about.

00:55:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's ready to crack, and it's understandable.

00:55:22
I mean, I, you know, we really don't know how old Kenny is.

00:55:25
Did we ever determine how old he was?

00:55:27
No, we don't know.

00:55:28
Speaker 3: But maybe we get some interesting information which

00:55:32
totally changed what I thought about Kenny.

00:55:34
But we get it later in this episode.

00:55:37
But there's like this throwaway scene with Allison, julie,

00:55:42
where they meet.

00:55:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most awkward scene in the world.

00:55:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, now we go back to colony house and it's the big

00:55:51
talk between Donna and Tabitha.

00:55:54
Let me just pull out my Donna dossier.

00:55:59
Speaker 2: All right, and for those of you that are not

00:56:02
watching this, she actually has a folder that says Donna dossier

00:56:06
.

00:56:08
Speaker 3: Of course, like the picture of the subject, always

00:56:11
goes right there with a and every time we say Donna's

00:56:16
dossier Dun dun dun, dun.

00:56:19
All right, at any rate.

00:56:20
Yeah, exactly.

00:56:22
So I think Tabitha, like, it starts with Tabitha saying

00:56:28
you're fucking crazy, and I think this is in response to

00:56:33
what Donna has said about the monsters.

00:56:35
And, donna, as you don't know how many nights I have laid here

00:56:39
awake wishing that were true, how many times did you drive

00:56:43
down that road today?

00:56:44
How many hours did you spend in the car going in a straight

00:56:48
line and somehow ended up going in a circle?

00:56:50
You saw those things outside, and then Tabitha's like I didn't

00:56:54
see anything, and it's what she said.

00:56:57
That's what my sister said, that, yeah, that's what my

00:57:00
sister said.

00:57:01
She was stubborn.

00:57:02
How about a drink?

00:57:03
Yeah, you need a drink, my sister, she was a real character

00:57:08
, not a woman to be trifled with , and I'll tell you that.

00:57:12
And then we see this picture of Donna and her sister.

00:57:15
They were only out for a hunting trip.

00:57:19
Why did she have that little four by six picture of them?

00:57:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been in the car.

00:57:26
Speaker 3: I mean, is this Gilligan's Island?

00:57:27
It is.

00:57:29
I don't know, unless they went to the photo mat that day and

00:57:31
picked up pictures, I can't imagine why they would have that

00:57:37
.

00:57:37
You know, it's the age of cell phones.

00:57:40
So unless they stopped at the CVS and took a picture of them

00:57:44
with the deer, I'm not sure.

00:57:46
But it just I was like wait a minute, that's off.

00:57:49
So anyway, she'd kick the teeth off a bear if it looked at her

00:57:54
sideways.

00:57:55
Me and her, we were on a little hunting trip when we saw that

00:57:58
tree in the road.

00:57:59
And then that catches Tabitha's attention right there, because

00:58:03
Tabitha's like how did you know we saw a tree?

00:58:06
Speaker 2: Everybody sees a tree .

00:58:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody sees the tree and the crows.

00:58:09
And those motherfucking crows.

00:58:11
You know what?

00:58:12
I forgot to bring them in with me, but I bought a murder of

00:58:15
crows this week.

00:58:16
Speaker 2: Oh, that's great.

00:58:17
Speaker 3: Yes.

00:58:18
Speaker 2: I'd rather have a raven of unkindness.

00:58:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, raven of unkindness.

00:58:22
Oh, I never plugged my computer in, so it wants to die.

00:58:25
Hold on One thing after another .

00:58:30
All right, sorry about that.

00:58:31
Oh, and there goes the mic.

00:58:34
Speaker 2: While she takes that break, I guess we'll just talk

00:58:36
about going to the from shop and buying a shirt or a hat or

00:58:41
maybe even a microphone at this point and you know, just go to

00:58:44
Etsy and help us out.

00:58:46
Speaker 3: All right, it's all fine, we've all been in your

00:58:49
position, right.

00:58:50
But for us it was right before sunset.

00:58:53
We'd already been driving half the day.

00:58:55
There was a motel a few miles back.

00:58:57
I said why don't we grab a room , start fresh in the morning

00:59:00
when the tree is cleared?

00:59:01
But my sister didn't want the deer to spoil.

00:59:05
Plus, we'd run out of beer.

00:59:07
So I'm wondering if it was the sister that was drinking most of

00:59:12
the beer too.

00:59:13
It was already dark when we got here First time through, didn't

00:59:17
even stop, saw some folks in the road, drove right by them.

00:59:22
They just stood there smiling right.

00:59:24
And it makes me think of when those bus people were standing

00:59:29
there and they come up and they're like, hey, shaking the

00:59:31
hands and stuff.

00:59:32
Second time through, one of them stood in front of the car,

00:59:35
wouldn't get out of the way, just stood there smiling.

00:59:39
I thought my sister was gonna run the son of a bitch over.

00:59:42
She never did have much patience for assholes.

00:59:45
I know that feeling.

00:59:46
Instead she grabbed her shotgun , got out of the car and started

00:59:50
screaming at it, making all sorts of threats, because that

00:59:53
works for her every single time, because she's a bully.

00:59:56
But it just stood there smiling .

00:59:59
I'll never forget how it stood there so still, and then it

01:00:05
ripped her face right off in front of me, ripped it clean off

01:00:08
, and then Tabitha looks like she doesn't know what to believe

01:00:12
, because they haven't seen anything like that.

01:00:14
And so then it started skinning her with its hands in the

01:00:20
street, just like we used to skin those deer.

01:00:23
And that got me thinking the difference between her sister

01:00:29
and her.

01:00:30
And it made me think about, you know, the walking dead, merle

01:00:34
and Daryl.

01:00:35
Daryl doesn't take shit, neither does Donna, and both of

01:00:40
their names begin with a D.

01:00:41
Okay, all right, and Tom Luce is part of the show.

01:00:48
So I think that Donna learned to manage people because she had

01:00:57
learned to manage her sister she's.

01:01:01
I couldn't move, I couldn't breathe, I just froze.

01:01:03
And then I saw another one coming toward the car, and

01:01:05
that's when I ran.

01:01:06
I don't know if she was in the car or outside, but she couldn't

01:01:10
.

01:01:10
I couldn't even tell which direction I ran.

01:01:12
They seemed to be everywhere, but I found a place to hide some

01:01:16
bushes at the end of the forest .

01:01:18
Remember when Boyd and his family show up and we see them

01:01:23
in those underground places, but we

01:01:25
also see people running off to bushes and being like that's my

01:01:28
bush, right, I crawled into them and hid.

01:01:31
That's what people used to do to survive here, and I can't

01:01:35
even imagine a bush being so thick that these monsters

01:01:41
wouldn't know that they were there.

01:01:43
Wouldn't they be able to smell them, or something I don't know.

01:01:45
So there I was, crouching in those bushes, and when the blood

01:01:49
stopped pounding in my head, I realized I could still hear my

01:01:54
sister screaming.

01:01:58
They weren't just killing her, they were torturing.

01:02:01
Yeah, they were playing with her.

01:02:02
Yeah, those things out there they liked to hunt, they liked

01:02:06
to play, so they like making it last.

01:02:09
And I just left her there.

01:02:11
See, you were lucky.

01:02:13
The sun was still in the sky when you got here.

01:02:16
People came to help.

01:02:18
Not everybody gets that.

01:02:19
It's been three years, six months and 17 days and I can

01:02:25
still hear my sister screaming in my head.

01:02:28
So I was wondering.

01:02:32
But it doesn't make.

01:02:34
I don't know if it makes total sense, but do they do that to

01:02:37
people that especially need to be punished?

01:02:40
And then it made me think of the Phoebe Rex character getting

01:02:44
the rod through her head.

01:02:45
She didn't seem like she was bad, she didn't listen to her

01:02:50
mom and took off with that guy, but I don't know.

01:02:53
But her sister was a bully and a wildlife murderer and serial

01:02:57
killer, so I don't know, I don't know.

01:03:02
But I loved that conversation.

01:03:07
It was a great one.

01:03:08
Speaker 2: It was great, it was absolutely great.

01:03:12
Speaker 3: So then we're back in the RV and Christy's setting up

01:03:16
the IV, and it's in a jar With the saline, yeah with the saline

01:03:19
, and yeah, boys, oh, isn't that usually in bags?

01:03:22
Speaker 2: And no, we kind of make our own because and that

01:03:25
also goes back to that whole looking, looking at each other

01:03:29
between Boyd and Christy, because they're just having this

01:03:32
okay, do we tell him what's going on, or?

01:03:35
Speaker 3: not kind of look yeah like the extent of it.

01:03:38
Speaker 2: And then they get ready to pull that thing out of

01:03:40
his leg, which was absolutely awful.

01:03:44
I mean, they really did a great job.

01:03:46
I mean I went on, I did a live, an Instagram live, a day or two

01:03:52
ago and randomly supposedly somebody from the crew he was

01:03:59
one of the cameraman and he's yeah, it took us two weeks to do

01:04:03
it and it wasn't a cut out, it was an RV and they didn't just

01:04:11
cut the half and whatever.

01:04:12
They were in that RV for two weeks doing that and that must

01:04:16
have been a nightmare.

01:04:18
Speaker 3: I've been in a small RV like a camper when I was

01:04:23
working on Doom Patrol, the Brendan Fraser character, before

01:04:28
he had his accident.

01:04:29
They, he had a little baby, and so they were living in a

01:04:34
trailer like a really small one, you know, and we had the camera

01:04:39
in there.

01:04:39
I had to be in there, like the director, the first AD had it

01:04:45
were all like crouched, piled on top of each other and it's not

01:04:50
easy.

01:04:50
But sometimes, like you have to film like that.

01:04:53
I've filmed in a bathroom where you know they've got the camera

01:04:58
in there and the you know, my little kid actor, I'm in there,

01:05:03
you know, everybody's in there.

01:05:04
But there are times, definitely times, when you have to film

01:05:09
like that and then they start talking a little bit about

01:05:14
background stuff, because, I mean, jim's, why are they using,

01:05:18
say, lena Nijjar and how sanitary is that?

01:05:20
And I asked if she was a doctor and she said I was a third year

01:05:25
medical student and she's, this isn't the residency that I had

01:05:29
in mind, right?

01:05:30
And I meant to go look, is that when they start their

01:05:34
residencies in the third year, do you know?

01:05:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, third year they're getting patients.

01:05:38
They're definitely touching patients by that time, and you

01:05:42
know, I mean she was pretty much a doctor at that point, would I

01:05:47
?

01:05:47
Speaker 3: also right.

01:05:48
Speaker 2: Well, which is very convenient.

01:05:49
Which I also found funny was when she asked him what he does

01:05:55
for a living, he's oh, I'm an engineer.

01:05:58
And she kind of smirks and he's what's wrong?

01:06:01
Oh, you're talking about it in the present, and then Boyd is

01:06:05
kind of like looking at a shut up, you know like that kind of.

01:06:08
But what I find interesting, and going back to the whole

01:06:12
seizure thing that you were talking about and Ethan, but

01:06:17
let's just go along the lines for one second that Ethan is the

01:06:20
key to this whole, from Right, it's just for one second.

01:06:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.

01:06:25
Speaker 2: Okay so.

01:06:26
Speaker 3: And we're gonna talk about that too.

01:06:28
Like that is one of the things that we are looking at while we

01:06:33
do this, right?

01:06:33
No?

01:06:34
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but it relates to this scene.

01:06:36
Yeah, so Ethan has his seizures and there's a whole bunch of

01:06:41
flashing images.

01:06:43
And what are some of those images?

01:06:45
90% of those images, the drawings that he talks about.

01:06:50
Wait a minute.

01:06:50
When were there flashing images when he was having his seizures

01:06:54
?

01:06:54
There were picture images.

01:06:57
There were.

01:06:58
Yeah, there were.

01:07:00
Speaker 3: I didn't see that.

01:07:01
Speaker 2: I'm telling you they were there and this is the thing

01:07:05
.

01:07:06
Speaker 3: But you're not talking about the piece that

01:07:08
comes after this scene are you?

01:07:10
Speaker 2: No, I am talking about when he has seizures.

01:07:13
There's a couple of flashing images along with the images

01:07:18
when they're talking about Victor.

01:07:20
Yeah, oh, my God, I didn't even see that.

01:07:25
But wait, let me finish.

01:07:27
I need to do something.

01:07:28
We wanted to say something.

01:07:29
We're doing the rewatch now, folks.

01:07:31
Speaker 3: You don't tell me anything.

01:07:33
We were talking about him having the seizures.

01:07:35
Wait a minute, was it in the last episode or this episode?

01:07:39
Speaker 2: This episode.

01:07:40
Speaker 3: You never tell me anything.

01:07:42
Speaker 2: I don't tell you anything because I want to

01:07:44
surprise you.

01:07:46
Speaker 3: I.

01:07:46
If this is your idea of surprises, I don't care for it.

01:07:51
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, I thought you saw it.

01:07:53
I didn't you know.

01:07:54
Speaker 3: Dude, don't you think , with all the talking I do,

01:07:57
that I would say something?

01:07:59
Speaker 2: Folks, I don't listen to her half the time anyway, so

01:08:01
it's like you know I know you're seeing it with your eyes

01:08:02
closed.

01:08:03
Speaker 3: I'm like oh my God.

01:08:04
Speaker 2: No, I'm like no, but anyway.

01:08:06
So they have these images and they're showing these crayon

01:08:11
images and if you look back, the Pixie's, K-Sara-Sara, a lot of

01:08:20
those same pictures are in that.

01:08:22
And if you look at it, it's the boy in white.

01:08:25
It's just a bunch of different images.

01:08:28
It doesn't really matter what the images are in the sense of

01:08:33
it's all foreshadowing of what's going on.

01:08:37
And this is where, if you're doing this rewatch with us again

01:08:40
, you know and I need to do this too I wanna go frame by frame

01:08:46
with that intro and just see what images are there, because I

01:08:54
have a feeling in season one it's gonna tell us a lot more,

01:09:00
and in season two, I bet you, they change stuff just enough

01:09:04
and add a couple of things and put a couple of extra things in

01:09:08
there.

01:09:08
That and again, it's not and, Lizzie, please don't think that

01:09:13
I'm trying to throw a bombshell on you.

01:09:14
It's little subtle things.

01:09:17
Speaker 3: No, I didn't notice it.

01:09:18
I loved it.

01:09:20
Are you kidding?

01:09:21
Like my mind is blown.

01:09:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, and again, you know, but he talks

01:09:29
about, you know, the lake of tears and the this and the that.

01:09:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, in this he says that he saw the lake of tears.

01:09:38
It was a drawing on the wall.

01:09:39
And that's when they overlay his voice with Victor coloring

01:09:47
and we're in Victor's room, you know, and it's, we're going

01:09:52
between Victor's room and RV and you know they're scanning the

01:09:58
pictures and he says we're in the pictures.

01:10:03
Speaker 2: And my point being is Boyd and Christie think that he

01:10:08
might be something special.

01:10:09
They don't know what that even means.

01:10:12
I think I really believe that because of the whole seizure

01:10:15
thing Because he's never had seizures before, the fact that

01:10:19
there's two cars, yeah, the fact that you know they're surviving

01:10:24
this RV thing, yeah, like they all survived.

01:10:28
At this point.

01:10:29
I think there's a lot of coinkidings or a lot of

01:10:32
coincidences that are going on here and I think that

01:10:37
unfortunately unfortunately, you know you had said in the

01:10:42
beginning this is a puzzle show, and not that I'm not on board

01:10:46
with that, but I mean doing this rewatch.

01:10:50
I understand what that means a little bit more.

01:10:53
Oh, the puzzle show.

01:10:55
I mean, I understand what a puzzle show is.

01:10:57
I'm just saying I understand there's just a lot that we're

01:11:01
just not seeing.

01:11:02
And you know, I go to some of the other people that do some

01:11:06
really great jobs of doing the show, just like we do.

01:11:09
And there's this one lady and I've actually reached out to her

01:11:13
to maybe even help us a little bit on some of the theories that

01:11:17
are out there, just because you and I don't have time to think

01:11:22
of all the theories and she has a theory.

01:11:24
It's like, instead of a theory of the week, she has a theory of

01:11:26
the day and she's wonderful.

01:11:28
I mean the jumps that she can make, you know is amazing.

01:11:33
But you know, taking that as I like to say, that 100 view

01:11:38
of the town, like I like to take now that we're starting to get

01:11:42
into a little of the nitty gritty, you're starting to see

01:11:44
some of this stuff, and I still go back to right now.

01:11:48
You know we talk about the Cromonocle still in play at this

01:11:51
point of the show, and just keep that in the back of your

01:11:56
mind as well.

01:11:57
Is this a quest?

01:11:59
Because we asked Jim slash you know Bailey, you know when he

01:12:06
was in there, because I actually happened to rewatch our

01:12:10
interview today.

01:12:11
I just watched it too.

01:12:12
It just popped up on our TikTok because I think you reposted it

01:12:16
or whatever.

01:12:16
I reposted it yeah that's why and I was just looking at it I

01:12:19
was like and the thing is now, either he was really acting well

01:12:22
or something, but he kind of take, he took a step back when

01:12:28
we asked that question.

01:12:29
You know, is Jim on board with all this with Ethan?

01:12:33
And I think the answer is you know, the answer to this whole

01:12:39
world is yes, meaning I think there's the Cromonocle, there's

01:12:45
the Cooie kids, there's the other entity.

01:12:48
I think there's a couple of different paths that it's all

01:12:53
taking and it's all gonna converge.

01:12:55
Now you can take the whole Donna mole thing and that could

01:12:59
be another part of it, but I'm not really.

01:13:03
Speaker 3: that's all I'm talking about, but you know what

01:13:05
?

01:13:05
There's so many facets to this.

01:13:08
Speaker 2: Right, you know, and when they pulled that frigging

01:13:10
leg out, they pulled that rod out, I gotta tell ya.

01:13:13
I mean I'm an EMT and I've seen some gross things and I think

01:13:18
they made sure they got some extra squishy stuff sounds in

01:13:22
there, cause that was effing gross and I love the fact that.

01:13:27
You know and again, it's TV magic at your finest they pull

01:13:31
that thing out and then she's just stitching them up and he's

01:13:33
like fine, like nothing happened .

01:13:35
He lost like a whole frigging gallon of blood and I think it's

01:13:40
because he's not really present , because he's taught.

01:13:45
Speaker 3: You know they get it out and he starts talking about

01:13:48
how he saw the leg of tears and you know there's all these

01:13:51
crayon drawings that you know, like I used to do that, and

01:13:55
we're all in the pictures Like he's talking, it's like he's

01:13:58
distracted while she's doing that.

01:14:01
Speaker 2: Now, I could be wrong about the pictures, the

01:14:03
placement of them, but I'm almost certain that there was

01:14:06
other flashbacks to.

01:14:08
Yeah, I mean, and if I'm wrong folks, I'm wrong, you know, I

01:14:12
mean, I watched the show before we came on, but at the same time

01:14:15
, you know you can make a mistake.

01:14:17
Yeah, I've never been a podcast that says that we're always

01:14:21
right.

01:14:22
Speaker 3: Oh, we're the end of the year.

01:14:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but I'm just saying we're just really

01:14:25
big fans of the show and we wanna have some fun.

01:14:28
Speaker 3: We're just like talking about it.

01:14:29
We're kind of panning through Victor's room while he's drawing

01:14:34
and he's drawing a picture.

01:14:36
But I noticed he's got seven lamps on in that room.

01:14:41
Speaker 2: And it's still not even that bright.

01:14:43
Wait, are you shitting me?

01:14:44
He's got seven lamps.

01:14:45
There's seven lamps and they're all.

01:14:47
Speaker 3: Of course, there's seven lamps.

01:14:48
There's seven lamps on.

01:14:49
There could be more.

01:14:51
Speaker 2: No, there's probably not more, because everything has

01:14:53
to do with seven the.

01:14:56
Speaker 3: Akui kids, the grandparent.

01:14:57
Speaker 2: I mean, what's her name?

01:14:58
Grandkids are seven.

01:15:00
Speaker 3: You're right, you're right.

01:15:01
Speaker 2: I mean, everything is sevens.

01:15:03
Yeah, you're right.

01:15:04
Speaker 3: And that's your lucky number for today.

01:15:05
My point is it wasn't even that bright in that room with seven

01:15:09
lamps on.

01:15:09
He is working on a drawing.

01:15:13
Speaker 2: Yes.

01:15:14
Speaker 3: And it's a car, an orange car, and it's crashed.

01:15:19
It's like T-boned another vehicle that it's on its side

01:15:23
and it looks like a milk truck.

01:15:25
Yeah, it doesn't look like the RV in the grill on the front of

01:15:31
the that Vehicle on its side.

01:15:33
It just made me think it was a truck plus the rear view not the

01:15:36
rear view, but the side mirror was much bigger than the regular

01:15:40
car mirror.

01:15:41
Of course it's a kid drawing it , but still, and it looked like

01:15:45
the truck had been on fire.

01:15:47
Also, you know, or the white vehicle might be on fire, yeah,

01:15:52
the truck, but it.

01:15:54
It the way Ethan was talking about it, right, if he they're

01:15:59
going through the room and they're showing different

01:16:01
pictures, but you don't really see detail on anything in.

01:16:05
Ethan is and we're in the pictures right now.

01:16:08
My.

01:16:09
The thing that we know about victor in his pictures Is in the

01:16:15
second season he said I draw things so I won't forget them.

01:16:19
And you know he comes to the realization he had thought

01:16:24
someone else drew the pictures.

01:16:25
Then he realized it was him that had drawn the pictures, so

01:16:29
that he could remember, right.

01:16:30
But if he is, if Ethan is already seeing crayon pictures

01:16:36
of them, maybe either Victor sister drew those pictures, or

01:16:48
Victor drew them and didn't realize.

01:16:50
Maybe Victor sister could see the future and Victor draws the

01:16:58
present.

01:16:58
That's the difference.

01:17:03
Speaker 2: Okay.

01:17:05
Speaker 3: That's all I had to say about that.

01:17:08
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I'm just like kind of Soaking it all

01:17:11
in, so to speak.

01:17:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just you know that.

01:17:13
And then we go back to the colony house and Kenny and Katry

01:17:19
Katry on the stairs on the stairs.

01:17:21
They're going up.

01:17:22
Speaker 2: I love this.

01:17:23
Speaker 3: Can you move?

01:17:24
Oh, we don't know.

01:17:25
That's not there, they're not on the stairs, that's at the end

01:17:29
of it they come up to and then Kenny sits down and falls asleep

01:17:32
and then that guy comes out.

01:17:33
I'm like what's the point of this guy?

01:17:35
Speaker 2: But can you move?

01:17:37
You know we're not supposed to be here.

01:17:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, at least you know, leave some space

01:17:42
.

01:17:42
But Kenny's walking up the stairs and he's talking about

01:17:46
his dad's dementia and the doctor said that it was

01:17:51
progressing really rapidly.

01:17:52
And the doctor said he said we should make sure to lock the

01:17:57
doors at night.

01:17:58
Yeah, that was something I had to be concerned with my mom.

01:18:04
But still, you know, as far as I know, I'm not in fromville,

01:18:09
but his father still gets out and Kenny and mrs Lu Tian Chen

01:18:16
have to go find the father right .

01:18:18
And they find him and they realize.

01:18:23
So one night he wanders out of the house and we didn't know

01:18:27
where he had gone at first.

01:18:28
He took the bus all the way to the city.

01:18:31
My mom was so angry we drove to pick him up and she kept saying

01:18:36
how could he do this?

01:18:38
You know he knows better and I'm just like mom, he has

01:18:42
dementia.

01:18:42
He's not trying to piss you off .

01:18:44
And so Cotry says you know what the important thing is, that

01:18:51
you found him right.

01:18:51
And Kenny says on the drive home I kept thinking we, we have

01:18:55
a second chance now you know to do things right.

01:18:58
And Cotry says and then you saw the tree.

01:19:02
And Kenny says and then we saw the tree.

01:19:06
So they were coming back from the city whatever city that was

01:19:12
Because the father had wandered off and they had to go get him.

01:19:16
So I know we were talking at one point that Kenny would, they

01:19:22
had picked Kenny up at college and they were driving back.

01:19:25
But this is something else at any rate.

01:19:31
Speaker 2: Then sarah's in the shower and god, this whole scene

01:19:34
is just so weird.

01:19:36
Speaker 3: It is weird, right.

01:19:38
Speaker 2: It's.

01:19:38
They're not brother and sister, but they are, but they're a

01:19:41
little incestuous, but they're just weird, yeah right.

01:19:45
Speaker 3: And and then they've got Help me, not knowing she was

01:19:49
, wasn't in the house.

01:19:51
Speaker 2: Oh please, he's an idiot.

01:19:52
The whole storyline.

01:19:54
I just I don't know.

01:19:56
I just have a problem with this storyline.

01:19:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.

01:19:59
So Anyway, he knocked on the door and she says that she

01:20:05
didn't have a choice.

01:20:07
Speaker 2: No, she does she.

01:20:07
No, she says just that little story that she talks about.

01:20:11
Speaker 3: Oh, but that's after.

01:20:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying .

01:20:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, that story All right.

01:20:16
So then they're on the lower floor and jena has put mr Luda

01:20:22
bed and he says to her that this place is scary, the night is

01:20:28
scary, and I think that they told him and so he's afraid,

01:20:34
right, and you know, she goes upstairs and she, because she's

01:20:39
gonna bring a dinner to toby, and finds him dead and then sees

01:20:43
that the door is open and smiley and the glasses girl are

01:20:47
standing there, just standing there and it makes me wonder Can

01:20:54
, even if there's a talisman and the door is open, they can

01:20:58
still come in?

01:20:59
Yeah, once the door is open, once the seal is broken, you're

01:21:02
fucked but the thing about, like , when boyd found the talismans,

01:21:08
that space was open in front of him.

01:21:10
He didn't have a door, I don't know.

01:21:14
And then christie has a bad dream in the brb because wait,

01:21:20
you have to reput.

01:21:21
Speaker 2: You know you it?

01:21:22
It stopped after what you froze .

01:21:26
I did yeah, you froze on my end .

01:21:30
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know what I was saying you were saying so

01:21:36
she sees smiley and the oh, because boyd Found the talismans

01:21:42
but he had that open space in front of him and yet they still

01:21:47
couldn't get in.

01:21:48
And the next day, the talismans on the floor.

01:21:51
You know, christie has a bad dream.

01:21:54
She falls asleep in the rv and she has a bad dream that and

01:21:58
this could have happened because jim is I don't get all this

01:22:02
that jim takes the talisman out of the window and then a monster

01:22:07
comes through one of the windows and it's scary.

01:22:09
And then it's the next morning and they leave the rv and

01:22:15
everyone's reunited.

01:22:16
So that's good.

01:22:17
And then we're at backward, sarah and naphin.

01:22:20
And she tells him this weird story About broken glass and how

01:22:25
you know it used to be something and remember when

01:22:29
kenny breaks her little figurine or her, and that's broken glass

01:22:36
and it used to mean something to her.

01:22:39
So, foreshadowing there and I don't know, she says I hear

01:22:46
their voices and it's just like the broken glass.

01:22:48
They told me I had to look like it was the monsters.

01:22:51
I didn't want to, but they said it was the only way to save us,

01:22:54
it was the only way to go home.

01:22:56
And then naphin's what did you do?

01:22:59
Speaker 2: But I know right.

01:23:01
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't .

01:23:03
I feel like someone's just screwing with her.

01:23:06
Speaker 2: I don't, I think she's.

01:23:07
Yeah, I think she's gotten a bad friggin.

01:23:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way they're going home.

01:23:11
She's slightly nuts, you know, and they just took advantage of

01:23:17
her.

01:23:17
So the van drives to the clinic and it's this overlay Because

01:23:22
she's still sitting there with with naphin and she's I left the

01:23:25
door open.

01:23:26
Kenny sees that the door open and he runs in and christie

01:23:29
tries to stop him and kenny sees the towels man on the floor and

01:23:34
then you know, kathry's, let me go first.

01:23:37
But you know kenny just charges his head and you know he sees

01:23:41
his father and it's so sad, oh god, and it's just heartbreaking

01:23:48
on so many levels and the way these monsters destroy things.

01:23:52
Speaker 2: I did want to say something on a side note.

01:23:54
You know the woman that played the nurses aide.

01:23:57
Yeah, jenna.

01:23:59
Gina.

01:23:59
The actress herself, jessica allison, is just recovering, I

01:24:04
think, from some major knee or leg surgery recently and you

01:24:08
know she's an actress a canadian actress and I we follow her on

01:24:12
instagram and you know she's got she's got a Long road ahead of

01:24:16
her and I mean she's on the mend .

01:24:18
I've tried to talk to her about possibly coming on To talk

01:24:23
about from and whatever, but I think she's a little busy.

01:24:26
She's a little bit.

01:24:28
No, I mean she's a little busy, but she's also, yeah, I'd love

01:24:30
to talk about it.

01:24:31
You know, yeah, keep your mind off of stuff, but but yeah, no,

01:24:35
I mean, you know they find they kenny finds finds them, and it's

01:24:41
awful, and you know he loves his dad, yeah, yeah, and it's

01:24:48
hard to see somebody that their mind is not where it should be.

01:24:52
But you know, I think you make a very this is a second episode

01:24:57
that you made a point that I never really thought about Does

01:25:01
he have dementia or is he On a different level with the

01:25:07
monsters?

01:25:08
Speaker 3: you know what?

01:25:10
Speaker 2: I don't know.

01:25:10
I mean, that's a really good point.

01:25:12
Speaker 3: No, because you know how every once in a while, like

01:25:16
I hear hospice nurse stories and you know how people that older

01:25:22
people that are dying, and they will mention that People are

01:25:25
here to get them and stuff like that and happen to my

01:25:28
grandmother yeah, they'll have come to my father.

01:25:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, happened to my father.

01:25:32
When my father was dying, he was at the hospital.

01:25:35
I wasn't there because I was at home.

01:25:38
But, he was 50 years old and I was 13 and when he died, uh, he

01:25:43
was in.

01:25:44
He had a massive heart attack.

01:25:45
He was in in the hospital and he started talking to his mom.

01:25:49
Now, my grandmother his mom, and I say it like that died when

01:25:54
he was a baby.

01:25:55
Now fast forward to my grandmother, my mother's mother.

01:26:01
She started talking to all of her sisters who were, yeah, who

01:26:07
had, who had also passed, and she just got really delirious.

01:26:12
And you know the thing is, when it comes to death and I know

01:26:15
this is kind of a Weird topic that we're going to talk about,

01:26:19
but I think it's important you know there's an old nurse is

01:26:23
saying when someone dies in a house or in a room, you keep the

01:26:26
window open to let the spirits out.

01:26:28
Yeah, and you know you need to have the body Do what it's going

01:26:34
to do, but you also have to have the spirit do what it's

01:26:36
going to do.

01:26:36
And I know you kind of work in that world on a part-time basis

01:26:41
with your side job of reading reading cards.

01:26:44
Yeah, and I don't say that, I don't say that lightly because

01:26:49
you know, supernatural stuff is still supernatural stuff and I

01:26:55
don't think there is a.

01:26:56
I think there is a reason for wacky stuff that goes on in the

01:27:01
world and I, you know you look at someone like that that he may

01:27:06
have had dementia, but it could have been something else.

01:27:09
Who's to say that?

01:27:11
May not have even been dementia , that's the.

01:27:13
Speaker 3: Thing.

01:27:14
Speaker 2: The thing is, who's to say that from?

01:27:16
Didn't pull him before he got there to get them to that point.

01:27:20
And you know there's again.

01:27:22
Death is a weird thing because hearing is the last thing to go.

01:27:25
And you know, I see that in my CPR classes.

01:27:29
I talk to my patients when I do CPR.

01:27:32
I want to try to you know, because you never know.

01:27:35
And you know there is the physical and there is the mental

01:27:39
and we don't understand how it's connected.

01:27:43
I mean, all the technology in the world, nobody can figure out

01:27:47
, and maybe I'm wrong, but I mean you know you've got your

01:27:49
spirit and you've got your body, so there's something to be said

01:27:54
.

01:27:54
Speaker 3: So that's all it is, but.

01:27:56
Speaker 2: But that said, why?

01:27:57
I mean, and you look at this, how about this one?

01:28:00
Let's say it was reversed, where mrs Lou was the person

01:28:06
that was in this problem.

01:28:07
It wouldn't be uncommon for someone like mr Lou to die six

01:28:13
months later from a broken heart .

01:28:15
I mean that happens all.

01:28:16
I mean it's not really a broken heart, but that's what they

01:28:19
call it, where the significant other dies right after the, the

01:28:24
one and it's usually the male that may live out longer than

01:28:27
the female where they they say they get they die of a broken

01:28:30
heart.

01:28:30
So I mean there's a lot of levels to this which really it's

01:28:34
part of the show, but it's not.

01:28:35
But you know, then they take the van and they drive it Excuse

01:28:40
me.

01:28:40
Then they drive it to the site and everybody's happy, they got

01:28:45
the beautiful music.

01:28:46
You know before that christie thinks that Jim is gonna open

01:28:51
the open everything and, and then everything is great.

01:28:55
Yeah but I think the important thing about this is there's two

01:29:00
things.

01:29:00
I'm gonna go back to colony house in one second, but then

01:29:03
the last scene is kenny chopping that wood wildly.

01:29:07
Speaker 3: It's actually not the last scene.

01:29:09
Speaker 2: It isn't.

01:29:10
No, it's the.

01:29:12
Oh, I'm sorry, you're right.

01:29:13
I'm sorry, you're right.

01:29:14
I'm sorry.

01:29:14
I'm looking at my notes, I'm sorry.

01:29:16
You're absolutely right and he's crying on the tree and he's

01:29:19
doing all this.

01:29:20
Yeah, I'm looking at my notes as I'm saying the wrong thing,

01:29:24
Right, and when he's talking about that.

01:29:25
You know how him and his dad that was their thing and I look

01:29:30
at you know, and people that are listening to this.

01:29:32
You know you have relationship with your parents.

01:29:34
You have relationship with your kids.

01:29:36
You know I have a relationship with my daughter.

01:29:38
We do certain things yeah, podcast together.

01:29:42
We, we do whatever together.

01:29:43
And he just makes that point.

01:29:46
And he also made the point of as much as I hated doing that

01:29:49
freaking chess.

01:29:50
It was like their thing.

01:29:52
Yeah.

01:29:53
And then, right after that, is the scene with boyd going back

01:29:57
home and I love this because they they focus in on that 96

01:30:02
nights Of safety.

01:30:05
And now he just looks at it and just grubs his hand of it and

01:30:09
away we go.

01:30:10
Speaker 3: Yeah over back to zero.

01:30:13
Speaker 2: The one thing that I want to say before we get to the

01:30:15
last scene and I think this is really important, because I

01:30:18
think this is an important point of the whole show this is a

01:30:23
chess game and these monsters they play chess.

01:30:27
They don't walk fast, and this is what Kenny says, it's.

01:30:31
You know, no matter how many times I play with my dad, he

01:30:35
always wins Because he's just waiting for me to screw up.

01:30:38
He's waiting for me to screw up .

01:30:40
It's the same thing in these, the people.

01:30:43
They left the window open, they open the door, they do all

01:30:47
these things and they're, and then, and what these monsters

01:30:50
are doing is they're playing the long game of chess.

01:30:53
Yeah, and I think that's really, really awesome how he equates

01:30:58
the passion of what his father does To what this really is.

01:31:05
Yeah, it's just a large game of chess and then like any horror

01:31:10
movie, and this is why you know we've said this before in the

01:31:13
podcast that the this show Is kind of like each episode is

01:31:18
almost a movie, and I love how they set it up.

01:31:20
You know, everything is fine, right?

01:31:22
We've got the Matthews family in the family bedroom.

01:31:26
Speaker 3: It's Julie and it's Ethan, and it's this just the

01:31:31
area they're sleeping in down.

01:31:33
Speaker 2: I'm just saying no, but I'm just saying everything

01:31:35
is great.

01:31:35
Everything is good.

01:31:36
It's daylight and Ethan's looking at the window.

01:31:40
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you you skipped over something

01:31:42
that's very important.

01:31:44
Okay, please, because Julie is doing the story again and

01:31:49
instead of being a bratty sister , snarky and all that and trying

01:31:54
to scare him, it's light, it's fun, and this time they haven't

01:32:01
run out of time so that let's see Norman.

01:32:06
They made it back from the lake of tears.

01:32:09
It wasn't too late, you're gonna be okay, everything's

01:32:13
gonna be okay.

01:32:14
And she stops and she sees that Ethan is looking out the window

01:32:17
and she's are you all right?

01:32:19
And he's up and she's what are you looking at?

01:32:22
And he says nothing.

01:32:24
I don't know if he says nothing .

01:32:26
No, I think he says nothing nothing but Julie puts the

01:32:30
puppets away, and then we see the boy the scariest effing

01:32:35
friggin thing With we don't know what it means.

01:32:38
Yeah, because he does this.

01:32:40
We don't know what that means.

01:32:42
We still don't know what it means but Ethan kind of he

01:32:47
doesn't, he kind of puts on the same smile that the teen boy did

01:32:52
when he got shot.

01:32:55
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now.

01:32:56
I remember when I watched this for the first time, when we

01:32:58
first podcasted about this, and I still remember how I felt Holy

01:33:02
shit, where's the lights and turn it on and where's my wife,

01:33:06
because I do not want to be alone right now and that scared

01:33:10
the crap out of me so much and I just can't even deal.

01:33:15
But but yeah, no, I mean, I think that that was awesome.

01:33:21
Yeah, you know.

01:33:22
Do you have any?

01:33:23
Do you have any final thoughts to wrap up this episode?

01:33:28
Speaker 3: I just you know what.

01:33:29
I know it took me six hours to write this thing, but I Enjoyed

01:33:38
every minute of it.

01:33:42
Speaker 2: I don't know it's great.

01:33:43
I mean I'm really good.

01:33:45
Speaker 3: What about you?

01:33:47
Speaker 2: No, I mean no, I, you know it's again.

01:33:51
It's another great table setter for me.

01:33:52
Not that it was a table setting episode, but it kind of was, in

01:33:56
the sense that we're still trying to figure out what that

01:33:59
was going on in this.

01:33:59
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