21: "Match Point" & "Kicks Get Chicks" (S4E5&6)

[00:00:00] TRI EGLE FAN CARATI Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. I'm Richard. And I'm Reemann. And I'm Damian. This is House Podcastica Cobra Kai Edition and that was Damian. Oh shoot! This week we're covering Cobra Kai Season 4, Episode 5 and 6, Match Point and Kicks Get Chicks.

[00:01:05] And we're doing that with a special guest this week. It's our friend Damian. Welcome to the podcast, Damian. Hey! Thanks for having me. Glad to have you here. Oh, I appreciate it. Thanks for letting me join you guys.

[00:01:15] I hope I don't screw up the mojo at all because you guys have been doing great coverage. No way. No way. We only add to it. I mean, dude, you're the expert because we actually came up with this idea because

[00:01:26] Damian, he's one of those Zed heads in the Patreon group but also he watched it in the 80s podcast and he's been talking about all kinds of 80s movies over the weeks on that podcast.

[00:01:39] And Richard and Damian, I actually did a Zed head show which is my Patreon exclusive podcast with our top five 80s movies. Maybe a year ago now? It's been a while, six months ago or something. So just steeped in the 80s.

[00:01:53] So Damian, I'd love to hear like your history with Karate Kid and Cobra Kai. Oh my gosh. Well, I mean Karate Kid of course I saw when I was young back in the 80s.

[00:02:05] It was just one of those movies that stuck with me kind of like you, Jason and Rayman Richard. So, and when I heard Cobra Kai it was coming out. I just wanted to dive into it as soon as I could and see what they would do with

[00:02:21] the rest of the story of Daniel and Johnny especially Johnny because of course we got Daniel and a couple other movies. Yeah, I've really enjoyed it so far. It's been a great series and I'm just happy to be here to talk to you guys about it.

[00:02:37] Were you surprised at all with how it turned out? The series? Do you remember what you expected? Yeah, yeah. You know from the series you mean? What I've expected from the series? Uh huh. You know I didn't go into the series with any expectations really.

[00:02:54] I mean it was just so much more of Johnny's side which I appreciated because we didn't get him you know since the end of Karate Kid. So, I really enjoyed catching up with Johnny and seeing what was going on and then

[00:03:07] of course seeing where Daniel went and then of course you have all their children involved and everything. So, it's just been a great ride. I've enjoyed the first three seasons and I'm enjoying this season too. That kind of did that too. That's awesome.

[00:03:20] But then Jason saw it before me so he was like you gotta watch Cobra Kai dude he's freaking awesome. I'm like okay whatever yeah. Because he was a much bigger fan at the time than I was of Karate Kid. Come on, I've never steered you wrong yet.

[00:03:32] Yeah, no since I was like holy crap that really was good. Probably helps to not go in with too much expectation you know. Actually I could see where you might not trust my opinion given that you knew that Karate Kid was my favorite movie for decades.

[00:03:50] So you might just be like yeah you just love Karate Kid. Yeah well not just that you know but you're a TV guy and a movie guy so I was like yeah he's probably right so let's check it out. Alright cool, let's get into this week's episodes.

[00:04:08] It's Cobra Kai season four episodes five and six match point and kicks get chicks. Just in general what did you think of these two Damien? I mean yeah I liked them. They were two of the shortest episodes of the season I believe.

[00:04:23] Actually I think episode five was the shortest but there was a lot packed into them. I mean we kind of we're across over the halfway point now. So I think both episodes kind of set us up for what's going on the rest of the season.

[00:04:36] I mean you know we'll get into specifics but you know the Miyagi Dojo split up. Who knows what's going on with Cobra Kai with Terry Silver and Terry Silver. That partnership didn't last that long with Johnny and Daniel.

[00:04:51] No I wish it did but no but overall I really liked them. There was just so much packed in two of the shorter episodes I really enjoyed them. Oh and you decided because you knew you were going to be on you didn't watch past this is that right?

[00:05:06] Correct I have no idea what is happening. Yeah no I stuck with you guys. Good restraint. Oh yeah I stuck with you guys. It was easy because I started a little late like you guys had already started covering them so I was able to binge one through six.

[00:05:21] So six although six ended really intriguingly I was able to hold some restraint but I'll probably watch them when we're done here. Right yep it's hard. It's what we usually do. It's hard to do yeah.

[00:05:36] Especially when you're when the algorithm for all of the Google and the Facebook and everything starts catching on that you're watching it and they're like oh yeah wait till season five. See all these titles. I was like no.

[00:05:46] Facebook sucks man I'm like strolling through Facebook and I see these pictures of scenes I haven't seen yet and I'm like no no no get past it. You'll never believe what the phone down. Shut up. Can't believe Daniel died. Darn it. Alright Rima what about you.

[00:06:05] Oh I really liked him. Like Damien said a lot of great action in a couple of you know short episodes. Funny lines as usual. I mean typical Johnny just you know cracking me up with you know how he just seems to be stuck in 1985

[00:06:23] like he woke up from a coma and just you know woke up in today's time just kills me. So no short. And hasn't aged either like he's still teenage brain.

[00:06:35] I know yeah it's it's hilarious so yeah a lot of great lines a lot of great build up because like you said Damien you know we're we're here at this halfway mark now and you know now

[00:06:46] we've really got to get things rolling and I'm really anxious to see you know how it plays out over the next couple. That's some great setup. Yeah it's totally cool to see some familiar faces too you know you had you had some

[00:06:58] cameos from Moon Asia and Yasmin and Louis and Anush but then but then you know we lost Kenny and Anthony and Carmen. Haven't seen them so it's like I mean you're right Damien you know it's like I guess you

[00:07:11] can only cram so many characters into just 25 minutes or so but they do a really good job you know it's like you haven't forgot about them they're just kind of on the back burner I'm sure they'll be coming back. Can't wait.

[00:07:24] I know they they I've said before but they do such a great job of juggling all these characters. I mean yes they this was sort of the transition point in a setup for the you

[00:07:33] know built to the last part of the season and everything but also it had the freaking rematch between Johnny and Daniel that's a big deal. I don't know why I never thought about that for this show like a tournament

[00:07:45] style but I'm like oh my god they're actually going to do it and they bring it up and then actually do it in the same episode the show is like yeah. So I loved both I loved it I loved that part for this you know the first

[00:07:59] episode and then hit Johnny's take on feminism for the second part. That's pretty hilarious. Yes. So I'm going to not do my own like three points I'm just going to do the callbacks and references since we have four of us although there's

[00:08:15] a hell of a lot for just these short episodes. So yeah I'm going to hand it over to you guys so Damien what do you got for your first point. Okay well I'm going to jump right into it I think you guys been talking

[00:08:27] about them the last couple weeks but I mean Terry Silver so I'm wondering who is he? Is he still an evil con man? I mean we start off with episode five he just meets up with Daniel right away the first time in 35 years the scene we've all been

[00:08:42] waiting for you know and you know I'm just kind of wondering like what kind of character he is because is he still into revenge? You know it seems like he is because he wants to finish what they

[00:08:54] started 35 years ago but then he tells Chris they have to put the past behind him so I guess I'm a little just confused on I mean I like him don't get me wrong I like the Terry Silver they brought

[00:09:06] back to us but I just have no idea what he is this season he seems to be evolving each episode. He wants to show no mercy and fight back against Miyagi-Do I'm sorry excuse me he wants to fight back against Miyagi-Do

[00:09:20] but then he says no fighting before the tournament so in fact he even says when he's in the dojo after Chris or excuse me he's in the dojo after meeting with Daniel you know and Chris for staying there he says no need to waste a punch if it's

[00:09:35] not going to score a point so you know that's not really the Terry Silver that we remember from Karate Kid 3 so it seems like he wants Cobra Kai to be the best and biggest dojo in the

[00:09:47] valley which you know that's what he wanted to do in the 80s but that's when he was hopped up on Coke in revenge so I'm really just not sure what is you know it seems like he's

[00:09:57] he's he wants to do it like the right way so I don't know I really like the Terry Silver we're getting it's just a little confusing and like I said I agree you guys have been touching on it the last couple weeks like who do we have

[00:10:09] here it's it's definitely the different you know Terry Silver I think it makes Cobra Kai a little bit a little bit more dangerous actually because it's a level headedness that we've never seen before they've been all hopped up on

[00:10:21] revenge well and Coke if you go to that third movie but it's a little more dangerous than before so I mean I yeah I don't know what what you guys are thinking at the same time but a couple of couple episodes with him absolutely

[00:10:38] his his character is polarizing man it's like totally changed the show I'm in the same boat I'm a little skeptical I mean what at the beginning of episode five when he confronts Daniel and Johnny was that really an attempt to

[00:10:53] bury the hatchet you know I kept thinking to myself or as he got some sort of ulterior motive or plan to like you know break up the team or psychologically abuse Daniel again it's just like what's this guy's deal he seemed

[00:11:07] pretty angry too that Daniel refused to talk calling him what do you say he said he's like yeah yeah so that was the confusing part I didn't know if he was legit a little fire and I didn't know if he was legit when he was talking to

[00:11:21] Daniel because you know the Terry that we met in episode one he wanted to put the past behind him and you know he got therapy and he tried to move beyond and he thought he was all ridiculous you know so I didn't know if he was

[00:11:34] really apologizing to Daniel or not but then when he called him an arrogant prick I'm like okay so he saw some revenge in him but it seems like he yeah he's also sticking to the no fighting rule like you said before the tournament

[00:11:45] telling the students to funnel any anger into their training but then in the next episode it was at six he seemed pretty legit wanting the Cobra Kai to take over the Valley that's what I think it's it's is he's he's a he wants

[00:12:00] to turn into a business he sees a business opportunity here and in that respect I think he's trying to move the kids away from fighting on the streets saving it for the tournament so they can leave and then he'll take over the Valley

[00:12:12] right because he's have with Cobra has the he's having the dinner with Chris you know because Chris wants to talk to him because obviously they're butting heads he actually says like we have to focus on her student

[00:12:22] so that makes it kind of a little bit hard not to like him as a sensei I mean I know he they're definitely the antagonists you know this version of Cobra Kai we're getting with him and Chris there but I mean it's you

[00:12:35] know they're putting their students first so like I said I think it's a different it's a different Cobra Kai than we've seen so far so it's kind of intriguing I like the crease we're getting but yeah I mean that's

[00:12:47] kind of my first point anyway crease and and what to make of them because I have no idea it's changing he's investing in the in the dojo too he's buying a bunch of gear and equipment doing the billboard thing doing all the advertising and recruiting a lot of

[00:13:05] students I mean I think this show is doing the same thing with him that it's done with I mean I would have said all this stuff about Johnny at first trust that kid yeah but you know they're humanizing him and it was exactly the thing I

[00:13:21] was saying I hope they didn't do it Terry because I wanted to see the crazy Terry but I'm I'm digging his character a lot and yeah there's definitely an ominousness and a power like the way he looked at the convenient store guy when he said you

[00:13:32] need to buy something and he just turned and looked at him he's all never mind it's fine he's got this still a presence of presence yeah yeah but he's being smart I mean he's he's a really successful businessman and he's

[00:13:45] telling crease don't get caught up in the drama focus all we have to do is win this tournament and you're gonna put these guys out of business so don't be reactive and get caught up in all this BS that's just tripped all

[00:13:58] you idiots up this whole time you know basically is what he's saying yeah smart yeah and just since we're talking about him he Dimitri is reading an article about him right after you know he confronts Daniel and Daniel is mad at him in the at Miyagi

[00:14:23] doing all the students are looking out so they want to find out who he is so we see him at school with an article on his iPad or something and he's I forget he's talking to Hawk I think he mentions oh there's not much dirt on him other

[00:14:36] than some toxic waste scandal in Borneo in the 80s well in Karatek III it seemed like it was all toxic waste but that's all he did but I read I blew up this article and it was blurry but I found the frame where you could actually read

[00:14:47] it so it says noted philanthropist philanthropist Terence Silver winter 2018 Vietnam veteran and a successful business mogul Terence Silver's insight on the importance of corporate philanthropy and how mission-driven works have transformed his career Terence Silver could easily be named the hero of our generation he dominates the

[00:15:07] business world and prioritizes charity over personal gain he is selfless and caring but if you dig a little deeper you'll learn that he's had his fair share of hardships and downs at the young age of 18 he fought for his country in the

[00:15:19] Vietnam war as one could assume his post-war life was full of difficulties and painful hardship hardships that lead him down let him down the wrong path despite his despite his tumultuous past Silver managed to reinvent himself and established a multi-million dollar company corporate responsibility

[00:15:35] and giving back to the community have driven his business creating an equitable and ethically sustainable business model his impact and selflessness continuously inspires his colleagues and everyone around him as he continues to make the world a better place and he's easy on the eyes

[00:15:51] look at those baby blues which I did not make up really so so I think the writers are like I wonder if anybody will read this let's stick that in there and see but I mean I think my sense is he really did try to change and when

[00:16:11] we're talking about let's accomplish what we set out to accomplish he's talking about the things that we saw young Terry increase talking about in previous episodes which is let's teach these kids some discipline not let's get back at our enemies you know he's

[00:16:25] even said a couple times Cobra Kai didn't start as about being revenge it's about teaching discipline so I really think that's where his head is it I'm curious if somebody will give him some coke and he'll flip out but for now I feel like

[00:16:39] he's got good intentions in mind and he doesn't like Daniel so he wouldn't mind putting him out of business that's my take but why doesn't he like Daniel he's the one that tortured him in the first place I know I mean he said I'm really

[00:16:53] sorry and when he showed up in the backyard of Miyagi though it's hard for us to trust him too if you've seen Karate Kid 3 because that's exactly where he showed up a couple times in Karate Kid 3 and he was being the same way all acting humble

[00:17:07] nice and pretending to care and that's where he was able to manipulate Daniel into becoming a student and then started torturing him so I think when Daniel sees him show up and having that same sort of air of humility and saying he apologizing it's like

[00:17:19] fuck you dude you're not going to get me again but I feel like this time he's at least partly really trying to just smooth things over so they can keep it legit and just have the argument settled at the tournament you know

[00:17:31] yeah I'm leaning that way too but he's crazy dude you're right it could all be a total ruse he could have us all fooled or me anyway you know let's not forget that wine bottle in the wine cellar if it is like that yeah if he has

[00:17:45] me fooled I'll say oh that's amazing good on you guys you know if he's just totally yeah one it could be too that Daniel's just a hot head like he keeps pointing out and maybe he just keeps rubbing him the wrong way

[00:17:59] no I mean the way we saw in Karate Kid 3 Daniel was definitely a hot head I will definitely admit that but Terry Silver was not a nice guy no he's like I'm gonna make him hurt before you even ever met Daniel he was saying that that's right

[00:18:17] okay how about you Rima well that's that was my number three too it was more though the confrontation because you know we were all talking about it last week like oh my gosh can't wait to go watch the next episode and see

[00:18:31] what happens up because episode four left us you know where Terry and Chris were just walking up you know they're at the Miyagi Dojo there and was like oh my god wonder what happens so we get to that and I was a little bit disappointed

[00:18:47] I don't really know what I expected exactly but it was slightly anti-climatic I was like oh okay but I do think there was I had the same questions as you guys I wasn't sure if Terry Silver was authentic with his apology

[00:19:03] and I don't blame Daniel for not trusting him sure Daniel still has like maybe a little PTSD from his last encounter with him so I mean he he his apologies sounded sincere but then he told Chris you know we've got to get to work

[00:19:19] so we can wipe them out with that arrogant little prick so I don't know I'm not sure where he's at either I feel like there's you know I understand that he's saying he was all coped out in Cradikid 3 and that was you know led to his

[00:19:35] his behavior but I don't know I feel like that like substances like alcohol or drugs can kind of bring out what is there under the surface sometimes like sometimes there's an element of that real person there and that just kind of heightens it or brings it out

[00:19:53] whereas you know it might not be today life always present or maybe you keep it suppressed so I don't think he's totally crazy like he was in Cradikid 3 because he was under the influence but I do think there's a little bit of menacing

[00:20:09] just a little bit I mean I don't know how dangerous he is I don't think he's as dangerous kick Robbie in the stomach remember yeah yeah like you said that look to the convenience store clerk how he was sparring with Robbie I mean he was

[00:20:23] pretty rough I mean I get that you've got a you know it's martial arts you toughen kids up a little bit you got to make them understand what it really is like and what they can expect you have to be able to take a hit

[00:20:33] but that was pretty damn rough he's an instructor and you know there's there's a line there so I don't know I feel like there's just a little bit of menacing quality to him but I think that Thomas Ian Griffith though is I think for someone who

[00:20:47] hasn't acted in so long he's really doing a great job really acting some of those guys I think he's fantastic way better actor than he was back then yeah yeah I agree they all are a little bit yeah I do enjoy seeing him

[00:21:01] on the screen and I love not not quite having him figured out yet you know like I'm not quite sure so I love that I'm enjoying the shit out of having him back on the show that's for sure yeah me too yeah same yeah mine would be also

[00:21:15] it would be genius if if he was just completely faking all of this and I fell for it and then he turned around like in the finale was like alright now it's time to kill or something like that and I'm like you got me just like you got

[00:21:31] Daniel and karate can like Chris come though I wouldn't be too surprised yeah right yeah I'm not there but but I kind of want to be fooled now but um Chris kind of was that way when he came into the show

[00:21:45] he was like kind of a broken down old man and he was trying to be friends with Johnny and now and then he just turned into his old self eventually just total a-hole right yeah now we're starting to see that dynamic between uh Chris and silver too silver's

[00:21:59] like trying to be legit you know quote unquote legit turn it into a business and such and spread cober chi throughout the valley whereas Chris is still like he's still holding on to that we gotta be strike first we gotta be tough show no mercy you know

[00:22:15] it's like yeah but let me show that to this handful of kids when you know you could show it to the whole world haha he gets set off by everything that Daniel and uh Johnny do a lot of people on the show

[00:22:29] are easily triggered which I guess is good for a show where you need fights to break out gotta have the drama yup yeah he wouldn't have much if they weren't yours was terry too do you have anything more to say about that or do you want

[00:22:43] to do a different no we got it man that was good okay Damien back to me already alright uh so my next point I guess it's the uh the whole Tory Amanda and Sam triangle um you know Sam had her taste eagle fang karate

[00:23:03] and she seems to really enjoy it and uh she's you know she rebelling a little bit against me agido uh you know they're they're teaching about avoiding fights you know she had that conversation with Daniel uh in the kitchen of their house uh you know and she made

[00:23:19] a little comment about me agido avoiding fights and that seemed to irk Daniel a little bit so it seems like Johnny has definitely had uh his share of influence on her uh just from that one rooftop incident last week um you know she even learned the bottle cap

[00:23:35] flip too which was impressive um but so we have her kind of changing and then we got you know Tory seems like she wants to change a little bit too uh I guess for her uh you know her family situation so she accepts Amanda's offer

[00:23:51] for help and then we find out a little bit uh was that episode six I think we found out a little bit about Amanda's past and how she kind of empathizes with Tory a little bit um uh so it's just this whole triangle where it seems like

[00:24:09] you know Sam's starting to lean on the more I guess you want to say Cobra Kai or Eagle Fang side a little bit but and you have Tory who I think she's aggressive yeah and I think Tory you know Tory's obviously you know not

[00:24:23] going anywhere as far as dojo's confirm but um hers is more personal so she is taking Amanda up uh on her offer which I think we uh you know we kind of saw that coming a few episodes ago when Amanda was reaching out to her uh

[00:24:37] so I'm just curious on where this whole this whole triangle is going to go between uh Sam and um Tory and and her mom you know is uh Sam going to be jumping over to Cobra Kai at some point for next year or

[00:24:53] you know if Cobra Kai goes under the tournament who knows and Johnny takes back over you know it's just or if the showrunners are just going to stop bouncing people back and forth between dojos I don't know uh and then I guess my other

[00:25:05] point is too about Tory that we meet her evil aunt uh Candace and apparently Tory's mom is more sick than we thought I guess I couldn't really remember from previous seasons how sick she was I'm pretty sure she has cancer but I didn't know I

[00:25:21] couldn't remember if it was terminal or not but apparently it is pretty terminal so um there was once another reference to Tory's father and Candace said she was a hothead just like him so I'm kind of wondering if this is going to be the introduction to somebody else

[00:25:37] uh that we've been waiting for maybe like a Mike Barnes or something like that I don't know if that's going to be too soap opera like or anything but there was a reference to Tory's dad a few episodes ago and then I think in episode five or something

[00:25:51] uh man to ask Daniel if there were any other Cobra Kai's in his past and he was like no well maybe yeah so I don't know if all these are little clues like entrance to entrance to Mike Barnes or not uh it's starting

[00:26:07] to get a little like far fetched but I mean who knows I don't know but it just seems like all these little clues are getting dropped that maybe Tory's dad is somebody that may show up for the end of season four or the end of

[00:26:19] or beginning of season five or something but if it's Miyagi well I don't know I was thinking Dutch but I think Dutch is in jail so I don't think I want to see Dutch I would love to as well I don't think this is him

[00:26:37] but I'm just curious but just that whole storyline you know Amanda trying to help her out so Sam is like she was already feeling alienated from her parents and then you just have the whole you know the karate teachings she's starting to see a little bit of

[00:26:53] other teachings outside of Miyagi so I don't know I think this is a whole new storyline that's being introduced that could go into next season I don't know how you guys feel about it last week I said Sam's going to ruin everything I'm sticking to

[00:27:09] it's not looking great there's I feel like something is going to come to a conclusion with Sam in not such a great way as for sure but I think it's interesting they kind of alluding to you know to other characters from Karate Kid

[00:27:27] or any of the movies from the franchise you know when Amanda was talking about any others coming back from Daniel's past and then kind of alluding to Tori's father and her aunt said losing your temper or can't keep your temper like your father alluding to that

[00:27:47] and remember Mike Barnes was quite a hot head too I don't know that that's true or not I guess anything is possible in this world but he was certainly a very angry person in Karate Kid 3 I could be digging like most fans

[00:28:03] most fans could be digging for hey can we bring this person back can we bring that person back he'll be back I'm sure yeah the showrunners love everything about Karate Kid so I think the only way Mike Barnes won't come back is if the actor doesn't want to

[00:28:17] but I imagine he would totally want to either scheduling or if he didn't want to yeah he'll be back don't worry I bet he's the big dad of next season maybe Tori's dad is Barnes and Miguel's dad is Terry Silver they planned it out the whole time

[00:28:35] yeah it's all part of the plan yep last week I said that Sam was gonna destroy Miyagi but alas I don't think that actually happened I think it was just Daniel Daniel and Johnny's core beliefs and how the Karate should be is what

[00:28:57] actually ended up tearing him apart and Sam was kind of a focal point because Daniel was like does that we want my daughter to do but she wasn't actually the cause I don't think I mean Miguel was more and Johnny's bruised ego

[00:29:09] was more the cause because he saw Daniel taking Miguel under his wing and got jealous and that's when he got all and then also Daniel wanting to change everything to be just Miyagi though when he saw Terry Silver those two things kind of clashed together and they

[00:29:25] they'd be like both retreated you know he was like we gotta go back to what Miyagi taught me because it worked and then Johnny's still like no we got to strike first you think you're always like you're gonna strike first or what are you gonna do love it

[00:29:41] yeah that was good there's a lot of good confrontations in this episode in these two episodes Samantha being she's kind of the bad guy right now you know and she's always angry so I think she's been told that you're the bad guy this season

[00:29:53] and I feel like the same thing happened with Miguel at the end of I think it was at the end of season one he was turning into a little a-hole too and I think they all kind of have to take their turns

[00:30:05] because it's a show about conflict and so you need the bad guys and the good guys yeah but I bet you Samantha will chill out at some point you reminded me Damien when Amanda says to Daniel is there anyone else that's gonna pop up and destroy our lives

[00:30:21] and he's like no well I can't say for sure and I yelled at the TV yeah it's your own daughter Sam wake up it's gonna be their fault they're the one that keeps ignoring her well let's not forget their son too

[00:30:35] we haven't seen him in the last couple of episodes he's on the back burner isn't he yep again that's why he's causing problems getting in with the wrong crowd yeah I thought he was gonna have a story nope ignore again he's only graduated to Wauper Jr

[00:30:55] not quite his own plot line anything else on that one Damien uh no no I think that was good I think we could move on to the next one alright who's next? yeah well this is actually my number one but I'll switch it to my

[00:31:15] number two since it kind of goes in line with what Damien was talking about and that's breaking patterns there is a theme of breaking patterns in this show I liked when we learned about Amanda's story when she got in trouble and she was arrested

[00:31:31] when she was around Tori's age I like her even more now knowing that she hasn't come from such a perfect background in upbringing she needed some rough edges like everybody else yeah absolutely you know she was just too I think too good you know but it was

[00:31:49] good to see um you know that she had a rough background as well she comes from a broken home and had some troubles of her own she'd been arrested wasn't able to walk in her graduation sure that was devastating she's regretful about but it makes

[00:32:03] you now a little bit more for me anyway understand more of why she is reaching out to Tori um you know and it's not just about oh just wanting to help her she sees I think a little bit of herself you know in Tori and realizing that Tori

[00:32:19] maybe doesn't have the support system or maybe advantages or whatever it was that maybe Amanda had at her age that maybe you know because she mentioned to Daniel she's like well I was lucky that it didn't ruin my life um and she wants to

[00:32:31] you know kind of break that pattern for Tori to kind of help get her back on track because you know she I know she's got her mom but if her mom is really sick and she can't quite be there for her she doesn't

[00:32:43] ever father in her life her aunt seems like a lousy piece of shit um that doesn't care about her um so you know I think it's you know I like that Amanda is trying to step up and help her out um so you know I like

[00:32:59] that I like that we got a little bit of that backstory so it makes me like Amanda a little bit more um and then we got Aisha back um I think we were just talking about her like a couple of episodes ago like oh are

[00:33:11] we gonna get her back yeah we probably will and we did so that was really cool and I liked how she talked to Sam about her experience you know we know that she moved she's in Santa Barbara now the whole thing with

[00:33:23] the fight at school and her parents didn't want to be involved in crying anymore and she talked about her experience at her new school and you know kind of having the same feeling again of you know a particular girl that was you know she felt

[00:33:35] like yeah I can tell how this is gonna go um and taking charge um and what she said striking first and taking those lessons that Sensei Lawrence taught her um you know and she reached out and actually became really good friends with this girl

[00:33:49] who most likely would have been another girl like Yasmin was um that bullied Aisha um so we see Aisha there breaking the pattern uh you know of her previous experiences and she took something new um and and learned and and grew from

[00:34:07] that so I like that I like kind of seeing um that that was really cool too because Aisha um said she was using the principles of Cobra Kai you know strike first I mean it was like like a what care bear version of striking yeah

[00:34:25] strike with friendship but still uh it sort of made me question okay I uh you know where Daniel says hey Miyagi does better and Cobra Kai's trash basically that little thing of showing that hey this kid got something good out

[00:34:39] of Cobra Kai that helped her in her life just helped bring things back into balance where not everyone's right and not everyone's fully wrong you know right school yeah I like that she took uh that she told Sam what she did and

[00:34:53] you know to advise uh gave her advice to confront her problems head on and then Sam took it like to the next level yeah she's like oh I reached out in friendship and then Sam's like you know going to her bully and like

[00:35:05] you know I'm coming for you you know yeah she did it she went and confronted her problem head on maybe not in such a caring way not in the exact same way at all definitely different situations and Sam just definitely took it to a whole different extreme

[00:35:19] and I know I'm having a problem with Sam's attitude too but you know it she's still coming and I'm not again I don't want to excuse anyone's behavior and I don't mean that but I think she's still experiencing some PTSD from everything that happened and

[00:35:33] you know I think that's where that anger is coming from she's just still trying to deal with everything that happened she thought she could have died yeah right she was terrified well Tori seemed like she was trying to kill her yeah absolutely and now

[00:35:45] her parents coming for you bitch that would piss me off too yeah I feel like her parents don't have her back it's like freaking freddy krueger I'm coming for you that was good don't fall asleep that was great but that was my point

[00:36:06] just you know kind of like how they're making a change and breaking some of those patterns I like that learn and grow absolutely well as much as Terry Silver was polarizing is such a polarizing character it was Johnny that made these two episodes for me man Johnny

[00:36:27] a lot of my favorites came from him but one that made me laugh probably the most was his twitter rant yeah in the hallway the kids are talking about it right it starts out with sensei got drunk on and went on a twitter rant

[00:36:43] and I think it was Dmitri has said I believe everything except for the part where he knows how to tweet immediately I was like oh this is going to be good and then it's and then I froze the

[00:36:55] screen I don't know if we all did that but I froze the screen to see what the tweets were and it was uh it's on Lawrence Larusa rematch hash brown dead meat it's time for the valley to see what karate's all about

[00:37:11] tomorrow as night is eagles reign supreme and then the next two lines were like how does this thing work and then the last one was hello question mark those are his very first tweets from like a month ago or something hello how's this thing work

[00:37:27] and his name is sensei johnny law yeah and his little tag says badass sensei of a badass dojo eagle fang bite first and he only has one follower and it's Miguel right Miguel who does he think he's even tweeting to you as a follower and he's following

[00:37:49] 12 people I'm sure it's like you know iron eagle probably hot blonde and the date on all those tweets was December 2018 I wonder if they really did send them back and those that was well that's too long ago huh you know I checked that handle sensei johnny law

[00:38:09] and someone got it in April of last year but hasn't tweeted I imagine it was someone for the show that got it just so no one else would get it but I would hope the marketing team would get on there and tweet out some stuff that'd be hilarious

[00:38:23] but maybe they don't even have it I don't know yeah and then hot excuse me I got frog in my throat today and then hot closes out the scene with so this is real sensei and sensei are gonna throw down that's awesome

[00:38:39] which is probably what everybody in the audience myself included was thinking right yes my hand yeah absolutely alright I think it's your turn again Damien yeah my last one and I think rima touched on it a little bit it was ayesha's return and I have

[00:39:01] also in fake out as well because I thought we were getting her back you know the beginning episode 6 they started out you know there was that funny board meeting but they showed the footage of the first tournament and ayesha was getting

[00:39:17] you know kicked by I can't remember that guy's name but anyway they she was getting kicked by him in the tournament and so they showed that and then Johnny and Miguel you know we had the informate which I don't know if anyone is going to get into

[00:39:29] but you know we had the tournament new setup where they ended up splitting boys and girls division so Johnny and Miguel for eagle fang they were struggling to find a girl so I kept thinking like oh maybe ayesha is going to come back

[00:39:43] ayesha is going to come back and then they had Sam go and visit ayesha so I thought here it is you know as soon as she opens the door I was like she's coming back but then the more when she was talking

[00:39:51] and she was talking about her parents wanted to get away from all the karate drama and everything I was a little disappointed but because it sounded like she wasn't going to return to the show and then right away the next scene was Johnny and Burt

[00:40:05] and Miguel they were sitting at the debate and they found their next eagle fang their next eagle fang member so yeah it was just that just that little bit it was good to see ayesha again I really like that character I don't know if he'll even

[00:40:19] you know consider bringing her back for for future seasons I have no idea but it was just really good to see her again that's why they had that scene with her because they knew that we would all wonder if she was going

[00:40:29] to be come back because they're talking about having a new girl so just to kind of put her out there I thought it was a fake out she's here she was the smartest one that moved away from the drama and now is doing better

[00:40:41] I mean I fell for it was interesting too that Sam it seemed Sam was a little surprised that you know that she moved away didn't she say like oh you didn't move away because of the karate drama

[00:40:51] and she was like oh yeah I did move away from it so that was a little surprising too that it's like Sam and her didn't actually talk cause I thought they were besties but

[00:40:59] I think they got rid of that didn't you guys say they got rid of the actress it was pretty sudden that they decided not to bring the actress back right they said they were yeah I think they said it was just a story reason that's what they said

[00:41:13] and that they might bring her back well that was nice that they did but no that was just mine of course she gave Sam I think totally awesome advice and Sam just took it like you guys said to a whole different level

[00:41:25] you know she told her to set her own it's strike first attack your problems head on set your own terms and I actually thought Sam was going to well I I don't know what I thought I guess I thought Sam was going to I don't want to say

[00:41:41] welcome Tori with open arms but a little bit be a little bit more civil than she was extended olive branch be a little bit more civil than she was cause it seemed like Tori was extending the olive branch like you said but Sam just

[00:41:53] in the Cobra Kai way Sam just took it to the next level so of course they were going to do that this is a so popular yeah gotta have the tension yeah gotta have it but no I mean you know that was just my last thing

[00:42:07] you guys had already touched on that a little bit it was funny when they were sitting though at the debate Johnny, Miguel and Burt they were sitting there and Johnny gave the ladybugs reference a boundary he wants to dress he can put me in his breath and Miguel

[00:42:25] gosh that actor and I can't think of his name whoever plays Miguel I can't think of the actor's name but when Johnny is like what do you think and he is like I'm thinking of so many things right now it's like you must have seen Johnny's totally

[00:42:39] totally fucking crazy no it was good I never saw that movie I guess it was a Rodney Danger it was Rodney Danger which is funny that he said there was this guy who got no respect cause that was Rodney Danger and he got no respect but yeah

[00:42:55] that was just it you guys kind of touched on it a little bit I was really happy to see her back I hope we get more of her maybe next season I don't know how it's going to work out with the actress or storyline

[00:43:07] that was good to see her again she was great I was sad to see her go but it was a good fake out and I fell for it so I'm looking forward to seeing the new eagle fang member that girl from the the debate team yes

[00:43:21] that was pretty cool tearing that other guys broke up yeah right she's sassy okay Rima well I want to talk a little bit about Daniel and Johnny fight and just those two in general so good I think we've had a couple of different fights

[00:43:45] I don't have them all listed by any means but it was really cool to see them you know butting heads and deciding that you know we're going to you know go back to the tournament and fight tournament style and first of three would win

[00:44:03] and it was fun to watch Johnny and his whole training montage I'm like you're not really supposed to train the day before day of you know fighting but whatever it's not productive it's not great but whatever it's Johnny and then the song talk about a throwback

[00:44:23] Burning Heart from Survivor what a great song because it's from Rocky IV one of my favorite Rockies ever so yeah that was great it was like oh it's like the Rocky training montage because that's it's absolutely badass so I liked seeing the fight

[00:44:45] I liked seeing how they were oh man this would be good because they're both really good fighters in their own way they have their own techniques and their own methods and it was cool to see them going back and forth you know Johnny scored a point

[00:44:59] Daniel's got a point going back and forth and then when it ended and they both kicked themselves or kicked each other or kicked the other opponent and then they were like trying to get it's kind of a metaphor for their relationship exactly

[00:45:17] I mean it just kind of sums it up right there and then of course not being able to figure out who did it and who actually won well we need it from a different angle this is the only angle it's not like television

[00:45:31] where we do like an instant replay and get it from this angle so it was really great to see those two kind of fighting again and seeing that tension kind of build because I feel like it was fun to see them pair up I really really wanted

[00:45:47] that from last season and see them start to work together but I feel like we can't have it for too long so it kind of makes sense that this is where it ended but it still just kind of frustrates me that Daniel just has the skewed perception

[00:46:03] of Johnny and how he drives the plot and kind of make Johnny feel more pushed away with Miguel and stuff but when they were talking one of the last episodes when the Miyagi does kind of started the fight with the kids at Cobra Kai

[00:46:25] and did the whole sprinkler prank when Johnny is like you poke the bear what do you think they'll do and Daniel's like well hey what did you want him to do fight there at the drive in and telling him that Miguel showed restraint

[00:46:39] he totally blew right past Johnny's point because Johnny never suggested that they should fight he was simply saying that they shouldn't have done anything not taking them out to the baseball field to recognize them I don't know he wants to go fight Terry Silver in this episode yeah

[00:46:55] I don't know but I think in that moment though he was just saying you shouldn't have done anything you shouldn't have like poke the bear so I don't know it frustrates me that Daniel gets stuck seeing Johnny one way that even when Johnny speaks

[00:47:11] Daniel never hears what he's saying so I don't know he did have Samantha jump across a 10 foot gap between two buildings recently that's true his training regime is kind of strange but now they're working in a mold infested abandoned factory burned out cheque cheese

[00:47:31] it seems like they reached out and tried each other's ways but when things got tough they both retreated back yeah it was a bummer to see Cobra Kai working so well they're becoming this well oiled machine and they've got Terry's money funneling new equipment and their training

[00:47:51] learning all these techniques they're gaining new members and here's Daniel both of their dojos just in shambles and trying to figure out it was just a bummer yeah and Terry Silver when he was doing his training he said there's three elements what was it desire, devotion, and discipline

[00:48:13] and I can give you those first two but I can give you the last one and I'm like wow this sounds like a good they're really powerful about it and he's fused everything together and he's an effective trainer well I mean I think

[00:48:27] Johnny's a disaster to be honest but I think Daniel is just having them meditate a lot and I'm like you need to be a little more aggressive too so yeah nobody's perfect there yeah I know I keep thinking it's like how's this all going to play out

[00:48:45] at the tournament man I can't wait to see it I feel like Cobra Kai might win but then Johnny and Daniel would have to go out of business so maybe there'll be a surprise an eagle fang would win I just think that eventually Johnny's going to

[00:49:01] re-tech Cobra Kai somehow I feel like that's how it's fitting that would seem fitting huh cause you're pulling for him to change Cobra Kai's ways but how can he if he's not there yeah boy I don't know awesome yeah that fight was awesome dude those guys do not

[00:49:23] look like they're pushing 60 years old they were really going for it they were doing shoulder high kicks and they were moving fast they had the awesome music it was really dramatic I like too that they drew from Daniel's past

[00:49:39] was at the second film where he did that punch and it like numbed Johnny's arm he couldn't move it for a few seconds there and he was like what the hell dude that was from last season oh that was in the actual show's and taught Daniel

[00:49:53] was that fighting dirty you think yeah you would think so I know Johnny's like oh got any more dirty tricks and Daniel's like I don't fight dirty you do and I'm like good comeback dude can't you see yourself clearly sometimes so I know I know really but Daniel's

[00:50:13] definitely got his drawbacks yeah but even after he numbed his arm Johnny did an awesome take down how do you lose a point to a armed man I mean come on that's what I was saying Johnny's tough not the greatest teacher but he's that good

[00:50:33] yeah that was a freaking amazing fight is that is that everybody's points was that your number one there Rich was that your last one yeah I know I have one more it was the change in the rules I think that's gonna be cool right

[00:50:53] okay so you guys will have to walk me through what Kata is what's Kata because now they're adding Kata into the tournament Kata is just a form that you do on your own and that's what Daniel that's what Daniel was teaching the Miyagi-dose right it's from Karate Kid 3

[00:51:09] that was the big thing of Karate Kid 3 that was what he did to focus to beat Mike Barnes and he was doing that in this episode 2 in his match with Johnny when he started moving his arms and stuff like that and I think that was a reference

[00:51:25] to Karate Kid 3 because he just needed one more point to win in Kobe Pi and he also just needed one point in Karate Kid 3 so he was like let me focus but it didn't work because Johnny got the next point yeah yeah yeah

[00:51:39] I kind of made that assumption Johnny said well that's just dancing I think they would show I mean that's what Niko does in Kung Fu when they have competitions they just do a form and then they judge them on their form yeah

[00:51:53] so that'll be cool I think that's a plus for Miyagi-do right and then a skills competition which would include board breaking and weapons display probably a plus for maybe well that was my question is Kata part of the skills competition I couldn't determine it the way they were

[00:52:13] you know they listed the letter I think it's separate so it's Kata skills yeah because that was just skills competition and then gender separation yeah and now they have a female division a girls division they called it so there will be now two wall valley champs

[00:52:31] yeah so I mean I think that's a plus for Miyagi-do probably a minus for Eagle Fang they would do what? the reasoning behind it they said was because they felt that they were starting to gain a little bit of female interest

[00:52:45] and they wanted to like bring more girls and females into it and kind of reach out to that demographic but I mean for the story why did the writers write that into the story um I'm wondering is it possible there could be a three way tie maybe

[00:53:03] because the way they said it was girls and then what did he say a dojo skills and power dojo points so is that possible I think I know where they did it oh shoot I think they did it because they wanted to have there's two rivalries there's maybe

[00:53:29] Robbie and Miguel and then there's Tori and Sam and then they have those like two pillars yeah have two big showdowns because as soon as I heard it I was thinking like okay well Miyagi-do would win the skills and then I was trying to figure out

[00:53:45] who would win the boys and who would win the girls and it's just well at that time Eagle Fang didn't have a girl so I didn't know how it was going to play out but I guess I haven't seen the rest

[00:53:55] so I don't even know if Eagle Fang and Miyagi-do get back together before the tournament I don't know crazy I don't know well as far as driving the story that's going to be good for the story right because now they got to introduce another female character

[00:54:11] because they got Tori, they got Sam and now Johnny's going to have whoever the debate team leader was I say bring on the girls at the council meeting in the beginning of the show they were like you're promoting boys hitting girls do you think that's going to be

[00:54:27] really the kind of image you want us to have you know they kept showing poor Aisha smacked I mean I'm not sure why they introduced that but I'm sure we'll find out I just think it's about because this year there are several rivalries

[00:54:48] so they don't want to make it about the one person who overcomes but more about the separate rivalries maybe I don't know for the story maybe it does have something to do with that because in co-ed it's just kind of who you draw

[00:55:04] as you're fighting up the ranks and who you draw in that next round so they want Tori and Sam to fight and they want I'm sure Robbie and Miguel to fight at the end so this is a way to make sure that the girls

[00:55:20] work their way up the ranks to the final match otherwise there's a chance they may not get to have where they fall into the ranks of fighting and who actually ends up and they want the girls to fight it out then with the boys to fight it out

[00:55:34] and this is a way to make it happen I think Right, how's the new girl gonna get involved in all this she's gonna kick everybody's butt with words my guess is she'll make it really far but not to the end yeah Miguel will probably win the boys

[00:55:52] I don't know it's gonna be fun to watch the tournament I'm just looking forward to the tournament Miguel won we've only seen one tournament in the show did Miguel win? yeah Miguel won and then he got his back broke what if Dimitri wins and has the speed

[00:56:14] man that was a great kick I'm so proud of Dimitri how far he's come when he was in there with Daniel all his geeks yeah he was showing some moves he was he's come along it's cool alright I'm gonna do the whole callbacks and references

[00:56:34] I love Daniel and Johnny at the bar and Daniel's just finished telling him who Terry Silver is and probably basically the whole plot of Karate Kid 3 and so we hear him saying so that's when Mr. Miyagi agreed to take me back

[00:56:48] and after I beat Barnes I never saw Silver again until today and Johnny so let me get this straight the year after our title fight they put you straight up to the finals that's bullshit that's all he heard out of the entire state

[00:57:00] he didn't have to fight his way through he just got to go straight to the final and I know you guys have mentioned in other podcasts the way they kind of make fun of the third movie you know

[00:57:12] I don't want to say make fun of but just the way they point out all the problems with the third movie I mean Johnny often says the thing that we're thinking he says what I'm thinking and I think that was total bullshit so

[00:57:30] as much as I love that tournament and Daniel getting the crap kicked out of him as much as I love that part of the tournament I didn't love that he walks away from the bar and he's like the bartender's on it and this is over $3 but

[00:57:46] Johnny pointing out that was an illegal kick not me but a lot of karate kick fans think the same thing so he's good at that Dmitri asks Hawk if he's getting back together with Moon and Hawk's like she has a girlfriend so and Dmitri's like you mean Piper

[00:58:04] oh no that's over they broke up weeks ago weeks one week five how many weeks is week so what's that from pop quiz oh because we it was from the first movie Daniel's talking to Ali in the cafeteria and she said that her and Johnny have been

[00:58:22] bergina movies and I think he's flirting with her and then he sees the Cobra Kai giving him a dirty look and he's like yeah I know you're right I know and she's like what are you doing and he goes oh it's this little voice in my head

[00:58:36] that says I gotta be nuts to be talking to you and she goes oh it doesn't matter how over is over oh weeks one week five weeks how many weeks I felt like it was a little shoe horned in here with

[00:58:48] Hawk because Daniel's saying that because he wants to know like I'm afraid that this bully is pissed off at me for dating his girlfriend but maybe it's the same with Hawk I don't know but Hawk is just more like how far you know is it really over

[00:59:02] or not maybe he should be a little scared of her she looked pretty pretty intense that's true he's like his ex-girlfriend and Piper you kinda already mentioned this Damian but I totally think when Amanda was like are there any cover cuts from your past that's gonna come

[00:59:20] destroy our lives and he's like no well I can't say that for sure that he was thinking of Mike Barnes it's either him or Dutch that's all that's left right that's all we haven't seen yeah I think so maybe there's ones that we never saw the well

[00:59:38] the whole fight scene was pretty much the biggest callback ever in the series and again Johnny starts it by saying something that I thought about that Daniel was lucky to beat Johnny and he beat him by one point but that doesn't make him the

[00:59:54] better fighter because clearly Johnny looked like a way better fighter than Daniel in Karate Kid and and so Johnny saying they never fought to the finish also reminds me of Rocky 3 where Apollo Creed wants to rematch at the end because Rocky 2

[01:00:14] we only barely beat him and then they show them about ready to punch each other at the end that's the end of Rocky 3 we don't get to find out I think they call on Rocky movies once every episode at least lately they really have which is cool

[01:00:26] I think it makes sense and then Johnny's training montage shows his bias point of view of Daniel punching him in the beach he doesn't mention that he started it or um the deleted scene there's a scene of Daniel smearing a blueberry pie on Johnny's shirt

[01:00:52] and then plowing head first into him that's a scene that was deleted from Karate Kid and then he's like I'm gonna put a link in the show notes it's all on YouTube Johnny's there's another scene too where Johnny's I mean I love Johnny in this show

[01:01:12] Rich I agree these episodes Johnny really made them but in these deleted scenes he's a total piece of shit like Daniel's trying to calm him down like hey maybe we don't even need to do this why do you want to fight so much and he's like

[01:01:26] he's shoving this permission slip and made it like the major plot point of Karate Kid 3 but um anyway they also show Johnny stick pie under Daniel's seat so Daniel repays him by smearing him on his shirt and then of course during his montage he thinks about

[01:01:44] the crane kick at the end of Karate Kid and then some scenes like this show has a rich enough history now that the the writers can take their habit of referencing the movies and reference the show so they're referencing when in season 1 Daniel and Johnny

[01:02:00] and he goes I kicked his face you know stuff like that yeah that workout routine was hilarious because every time he had a flashback like that he would do whatever he would do it right there in his training routine like he kicked a mailbox

[01:02:14] off its post after Daniel punched him in the face and there's this lady in the background just being like what are you doing you knocked a ball out of a beach goers hands and the guy was like what are you doing yeah that makes sense

[01:02:28] the guy off his scooter and breaks it and the guy's like what are you doing because he the ball makes sense because he saw Daniel flirting with Ali by bouncing the ball on his knee but what was the scooter was that in reference to something

[01:02:42] I don't know if it was a reference or anything maybe the motorcycle but he just came up behind him and threw him off the scooter and then broke it in half or something so then there are a bunch of scenes we've seen

[01:02:54] from the series of Daniel and Johnny kind of fighting like when Daniel kicked in Johnny's door and all that stuff or when they fought in the mechanics garage but I also this isn't a callback but I thought it was so funny

[01:03:06] to see I guess it kind of is because Johnny's out in the waves like we saw Daniel in Karate Kid only he's punching and kicking the waves he's not learning balance he's fighting the ocean that guy's got some anger alright so then Johnny is practicing the crane technique

[01:03:32] and then he says to Miguel I think I got a counter to LaRusso's bread and butter watch this make like I'm gonna walk into it again the last second I slip under shoulder check him in the balls take him to the mat elbow elbow elbow Point Lawrence winner

[01:03:46] that was freaking awesome let's see then Daniel has his montage which is Johnny kicking him at the beach in Karate Kid or in the skeleton costume beating the shit out of him putting the pie under his seat that we saw Daniel hit or smear on Johnny

[01:04:06] few other fights from this series that they've had and I like that also in there was that time at the street fair where Cobra Kai did like a laser show and Johnny punched through those bricks Daniel just hit that and then the fight itself

[01:04:24] they were both in there like same tournament uniforms right from Karate Kid yeah well same colors same colors yeah I guess Johnny didn't have the classic Cobra Kai he had the eagle fang he had the eagle fang yeah of course that makes sense

[01:04:42] I loved when they faced each other and were told to bow they both bowed because like Mike Barnes never bowed to Daniel I don't think but Johnny and Daniel do immediately which I think is a little gesture but it says something about how their respect

[01:04:56] for each other has changed then yeah I mentioned he did the Karate Kid 3 thing that we saw from last season from chosen and as I was watching the tournament I'm like man this is so cool not the tournament but the match I don't know who to root for

[01:05:14] actually I'm kind of hoping it could be a tie and then it happened but what did you guys were you hoping Johnny would win or I had the feeling I knew Hawk was gonna show up after what happened

[01:05:28] with Hawk I thought he was gonna show up before they even started fighting and then they started fighting I was like well nobody's gonna win so something's gonna happen I didn't think a tie I just thought Hawk would show up maybe when it was 2-2

[01:05:38] or something like that and they never get the last point but I didn't expect them to basically knock each other down and have essentially a tie for the last point I don't know I was kind of hoping I guess

[01:05:57] if I had to choose I would have said Johnny cause he's so such a broken man over that one stupid kick you know maybe if he won he'd have a little redemption and then maybe he could team back up with Daniel and then he'd not

[01:06:11] have all this hatred so much inside of him I knew it I knew I could do it I better ask nope now they'll never know now they're both gonna still dwell on it I know what about you Remind were you thinking anything or hoping

[01:06:29] no I just like watching the action I try not to have too many expectations or you know want to see one particular outcome I just like seeing it I just like the action I'm kind of shabby like well usually usually in a fight like this

[01:06:49] I want there to be a winner like in Godzilla vs. Kong I was glad there was a winner there even though not everyone was happy with who it was or even Friday vs. Jason but here I really did kind of hope it was a tie and then

[01:07:03] and I feel like that really says something about this show because I would never would have believed that before this show came on that I would hope a fight between those two would be a tie you know sounds cool

[01:07:15] but if somebody had to win I'd want it to be Daniel because Johnny instigated the fight but uh moving on Daniel says to Samantha your mom told me about the party you know the birthday party it seems you're doing the instigating Samantha says come on

[01:07:39] compared to what Tori's done that was nothing but I thought well in season 2 the line I keep coming back of hers that I really like is everyone's got a sob story but that doesn't give you a right to be a bully she's not living up to that anymore

[01:07:51] that was even about Tori that she was talking about but now she's being a bully nope it's not living up to the Miyagi Doe way either yep she's full Cobra Kai no thanks Samantha flipping the bottle cap of course comes from Johnny and just really shows

[01:08:11] she's picking she's like I think for myself and then does the thing that Johnny always does I like it it shows her influence he's had over her yeah influence and uh Williams Abka did a great little quick youtube tutorial on how to do that

[01:08:27] which um I posted on our facebook page if you if you're curious it's pretty cool wow it's a legit skill huh I gotta try it yeah uh Johnny trolling the high school for recruits at soccer practice he learned feminism yeah he's like memorized it at least

[01:08:49] what do you say he's like teen girls wanted got to be under 18 or it's a no go that's cute so wrong but right it kind of reminded me of Ali you know and Daniel at soccer practice and then the Cobra Kai tripped Daniel and he punches Bobby

[01:09:07] I think that's why they do soccer because it reminds us of that scene it's a cruel summer playing in the background uh later on soon says there's some perv creeping around on the track team so we're gonna go practice inside inside they don't even realize it's them

[01:09:25] I love the scene with Daniel and Terry in the convenience store and Daniel says you're a con man manipulating people to turn them into something they're not he says I didn't turn you anything Danny boy I brought was already inside that's bullshit you tortured me

[01:09:41] please you're a hothead all I had to do was wind you up and get out of the way and if you're being honest with yourself you know you liked it you were powerful free you just don't want to admit there's always been a little Cobra Kai

[01:09:51] in you and I think there's definitely some truth to that and I actually I'm just really rising this right now I think that's another way that Karate Kid 3 has really influenced this series because I rewatched Karate Kid 3 again recently to get ready for season 4 of Cobra Kai

[01:10:11] and uh I actually took an edible beforehand just to see how it would influence how I saw it and uh you know now that we've heard that Terry Silver was on coke it's funny because when I was watching it I felt like it seemed like Daniel's on coke

[01:10:29] because he's moving around and just really aggressive yeah he's like can't sit still I'm like God you're making me nervous dude and he was not like that in Karate Kid I think it might be in part because uh Ralph Machio didn't want to do that movie really

[01:10:43] he didn't like it you know but anyway um Daniel is kind of just like angry in this series sometimes or self-righteous and everything and um I think he had maybe elements of that in the first one but really in 3 I cannot argue he's a total

[01:11:03] hothead in 3 so I feel like maybe even though they didn't reference Karate Kid 3 a lot in like the first season of Cobra Kai a little but not a lot I feel like that part of his character they did bring into it

[01:11:15] yeah I think there's some truth to that too but that's also what I think scares Daniel because he said earlier he said earlier earlier to Sam that Terry was the one who lured him into Cobra Kai right when he was young but only through

[01:11:31] the teachings of Miyagi he was able to snap out of it so I think he's you know he thinks psychological thing too that Terry does in addition to and I think maybe there's truth to all of that it's a brainwashing yeah like if you have

[01:11:45] a teacher who can steer you towards your worst tendencies whose fault is that yours for having the tendencies or the teacher for steering you towards it it's kind of both you know I think you blame me once blame me twice no bad student only bad teacher

[01:11:59] only bad teacher Sam not going for Tori's story at the end there I don't know what you're up to but I'm not falling for it is kind of like Daniel not falling for Terry's story yeah I'm not so sure Tori yeah I don't know about Tori either

[01:12:21] she's in a desperate place do you think she's being legit I think she is just can't control herself because she's trying to get back in school because she knows she's being threatened by her aunt and she's trying to get herself back in a good place

[01:12:41] but I think she is absolutely fuming under the surface you know the way Sam can I mean she went to the tattoo parlor with Robby and sliced Hawks mohawk off she's still herself she's just playing nice while she's at school she's playing by the rules

[01:12:57] while she's there it's trying to do what she can to survive but she can't control her anger and thirst for vengeance either which we didn't talk about that scene but it was pretty it was kind of heartbreaking to see hawk kind of go back to his

[01:13:11] season one pre-mo hawk self a little bit there I liked it I didn't like hawk I like hawk this season I like him this season well now he's turned back to the light side I don't want to see him humiliated no alright that's all I got

[01:13:31] let's get into any notes do you have any other random notes or anything Damien well you touched upon it I just had no more hawk Eli is back but he has skills I thought I know we didn't talk about actually the bonding between him and Dimitri again

[01:13:47] I think that was in episode 6 how Dimitri came over you know because hawk was or Eli hawk Eli was kind of feeling down and everything feel like he didn't have a place to be he lost his mohawk so he lost his himself basically whoever he was

[01:14:05] he felt left out you know he knew he's been in a an asshole last whatever year and everything so I thought that was pretty cool that Dimitri came over and you know hung out with him showed him the whole binary brothers videos that he

[01:14:17] still had that was pretty funny but so that was that was pretty cool actually it was I liked Dimitri so much ever since like the first episode I liked Dimitri so much that was really nice that he did that even I mean hawk broke his fucking arms

[01:14:35] you know if my son made a video like that I think it was rad I had kittens with laser beams come on I know let's see Rima talked about Daniel and Johnny fighting I mean anytime they fight you know on this show which has been a couple

[01:14:53] times it gives me chills I know Daniel actually what Johnny said you know if we fight ten times I'll beat you out of nine and Daniel said we have fought ten times so I guess they fought a lot on this I can't remember I know there's some montage

[01:15:05] I did a couple but yeah that was pretty funny but anytime they do it I get chills especially the whole when they got in their geese and they got on the sparring mat that was pretty cool and I guess the last thing that we didn't really talk

[01:15:19] about I guess I talk about the fakeouts a little bit I was when Daniel well Johnny and Daniel actually decided that they were going to go their separate ways with their dojos I actually thought for a second that Sam was going to go with Johnny and Miguel was

[01:15:33] going to go with the fakeout because they actually made it look like Miguel was actually kind of holding back a little bit I guess it was more so Miguel was going to stay than Sam was going to go because I don't think we had some more scenes

[01:15:45] with Sam rebelling a little bit and definitely siding with Johnny's side a little bit after that but yeah I mean I guess that was the only thing the only other notes I had we kind of talked about everything else

[01:15:59] yeah but yeah that's all I had to go over good stuff good stuff awesome Reema well one thing that I thought was interesting was seeing Ralph Machio and Thomas Ian Griffith stand next to each other and knowing that Ralph Machio is actually older than Thomas Ian Griffith

[01:16:19] it's like this dude drinks from the spring water that Paul read I think drinks from it's just kind of interesting I think we've talked about that before with Karate Kid 3 knowing that Thomas Ian Griffith is actually younger

[01:16:35] than him in real life but it's supposed to be playing someone like 20 years older or whatever so that I just well in Karate Kid 3 it's striking because Terry Silver just looks like this human in top form and Daniel's just this little scrawny kid

[01:16:53] well he's a little pudgy actually in Karate Kid 3 but here it's more like oh Daniel's aged fairly well for how old he is he's aged very well and then Terry Silver just kind of old but he still got the moves though

[01:17:07] the dude is still got his moves he's in great shape so yeah he might be a little older but he's still got it for sure yeah he looks good yeah he looks really good and then the only other note that we hadn't talked about already

[01:17:23] was the hoist Gracie reference which I thought was awesome I'm a huge hoist Gracie fan and for anyone that doesn't know who Hoist Gracie is he's a Brazilian semi-retired professional mixed martial artist he's a UFC Hall of Famer he's a practicor of Gracie Jiu Jitsu

[01:17:41] member of the Gracie family there's a lot of the Gracies out there and they all have the Gracie schools teaching Gracie Jiu Jitsu he gained his fame for success in the Ultimate Fighting Championship between 93 and 94 he was the tournament winner of UFC 1, 2 and 4 he popularized Gracie Jiu Jitsu

[01:18:01] which is also known as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and he's just one of my favorite MMA fighters so really cool to what was the reference again I forget Hoist Gracie that was when they were the oh gosh who was it at the car dealership

[01:18:15] is it named N'noush or something or something? N'noush, yeah I think mentioned him mentioned him mentioned him oh yeah he said Johnny was like Hoist Gracie and I was like me the other guy's like I had a baseball bat so yeah it was cool to hear that reference

[01:18:37] I was like well I'm proud that you know who Hoist Gracie is and it was good to hear his name mentioned because he's one of my absolute favorite MMA fighters yeah that was cool I didn't know that much about Royce Gracie

[01:18:49] but I remember watching the first two UFC's and he was like what is this guy doing how do you choke somebody out upside down he definitely brought a different fighting style and it was interesting because his opponents didn't quite know what to do with him

[01:19:07] they didn't know how to counter him at all and then once he got you down on the ground you were done you were tapping out whether it was 5 minutes or 10 minutes yeah once he had you on the ground it was over he would get someone on the ground

[01:19:19] and he'd be on his back and he'd have someone in a hold and he would just sit there and continuously kick their kidneys with the heel of his foot and he would just do it continuously and it didn't look like they were really hard

[01:19:31] that's how we won one of them it was just like this constant kick it looked like a tap yeah I remember that I don't know was it in the 80s that UFC started 90s or the 90s and it was ultimate fighting championship

[01:19:45] I don't know how much people know about it I don't know a whole lot but I remember it was like this new thing because you could use any fighting style you want there's just a couple rules like no gouging the eyes one or two rules

[01:19:59] not a lot of rules and there's a time limit right you just tap out or if someone goes unconscious that's how the two ways as I said so you wonder okay what kind of fighting is going to win is it going to be karate

[01:20:17] is it going to become food no it's basically wrestling that was so fascinating I remember one win Royce had where the conventional wisdom is if you're on top and you have the dude down on the ground and you're doing the ground and pound you're going to win right

[01:20:33] there was one where this guy was on top Royce and he somehow managed to choke the dude out with his own gear with his feet he's amazing he's the most flexible dude I've ever seen the things he could do and he was in for the long game man

[01:20:49] so he's just so much fun to watch I YouTube his matches all the time fun to watch but that's all that I had so we pretty much nailed it man the only note I have here that we didn't talk about was when

[01:21:07] Sam walks in on Tori and her mom I was like oh boy here comes the fireworks it was like a scene right out of days of our lives everyone kind of looked around at each other and then the music started

[01:21:19] and then he cut to the next scene I was like wow that really is like a soap opera I think Jason said that earlier she's like what is she doing here and the parent everybody's doing the little eye thing the parent inside me is going diffuse the situation

[01:21:33] diffuse the situation yeah come on we're only missing the soap opera when she showed up Amanda's like well you know your way right just because you busted in here before that was a little bit that was a little bit too much of a dig for me thank you

[01:21:51] everybody's a smart ass hey she trashed their house not soon forgetting okay I thought there were so many funny lines in this one but I wanted to keep it short because there's four of us so I didn't write them all down but there's just a couple when

[01:22:11] Dmitri was talking about Robbie but he didn't want to say his name he's like you know he who shall not be named rhymes with Dobby I like that it's clever because he's talking about a Harry Potter reference but then it's Dobby instead of about Voldemort then let's see

[01:22:33] Johnny was talking about why can't they have why are they separating the boys from the girls come on they got a man up and take a punch like the rest of us I love the binary brothers thing I mean all this stuff Johnny said

[01:22:47] was very wrong but also really funny and then I just loved the board meeting we didn't talk about that but the last time we saw them in season one when Johnny went I think it was the last time when he went to them to get Cobra Kyrie

[01:22:59] and stated to the All Valley karate tournament they were all proper and everything and buttoned down but here they're just like totally arguing insulting each other and everything there's another reference three times George and there was another reference to the Matt's yeah the colors the blue Matt's

[01:23:19] this is why we were successful that was the best line a little thing the guy with the gavel the George comment Rema that was the best one I've said that about somebody too something about no wonder you've been married three times George or something when he was making

[01:23:35] a snarky remark about having girls in the tournament is like what are we going to be in the baking competition I would have punched the guy in the throat for that right come on a couple more comments in the second episode I just felt that

[01:23:49] we watched this time I thought it was really good to see Miguel and Johnny's corner again you know I like them as a pair yeah it's good and I wish Daniel would use the drum technique again sometime just to reference that

[01:24:03] and maybe we can get a clear idea what exactly was going on there hmm and then the last thing I I've talked about how this show is about parents and surrogate parents you know it's pretty obvious um and it's on all sides from Miyagi

[01:24:23] no eagle fang Cobra Kai Amanda with Tori everywhere it's about surrogate parents and influence and stuff and it made me think about how parenting is where as adults we have flaws and where none of us are perfect parents and our own neurosis and egos and weak points

[01:24:39] and whatever else get in our way and kind of pass on to our kids as much as we try to be good we can't help but pass some of those things on to our kids and so it has been for parents going back all through time

[01:24:51] and I just think this show shows that really well and everyone has good intentions even Chris and um especially seems like Terry Silver but their flaws just get in the way just like with all of us so starting to think about that

[01:25:07] I just think man I hope actually in the end that everybody on the show even Chris find some peace you know I mean we need the conflict until this series finale but at the end I kind of hope everybody's in a good place and nobody is you know

[01:25:19] in a down position I guess as long as this is the very last episode yeah yeah until then we need some good drama yeah we need people kicking ass kicking each other's ass alright that was really good thanks you guys let's take

[01:25:39] a quick break but there is more to come stay with us okay we're back it's time for some listener feedback what do you got Damien? with Alma Contreras OMG I believe that's supposed to be fucking OMG fucking Johnny cracks me up his ultra 80s

[01:26:12] male mentality makes me ugly cackle I'm surprised he didn't get punched in the face when trying to recruit girls I don't know about y'all but I'm really enjoying Dimitri's character I hope he starts picking up his karate skills because I would love

[01:26:26] to see him kick some butt in the tournament I'm liking Hawks Redemption storyline too looking forward to the podcast I enjoy Dimitri's character as well I think I just said that remember when we all used to think he was annoying

[01:26:38] I think I kind of was annoying a little bit but I liked him since day one he added a little song to the show Janet Seidel says I have only watched match point but it was awesome the Johnny pre-fight montage was ridiculous but so hilarious

[01:26:56] I actually laughed out loud when they took each other the third point Cobra Kai is yucky Dobolino Bob Grippy says I love the part where the dad asks Johnny which one was his Johnny Johnny comes across as a total creeper what did he say

[01:27:16] he's like I'm trying for that one but yeah I'm looking at that one working on my approach what do you suggest is an approach working on my approach too I'm laughing I was Jim Hall says Johnny training to fight was the funniest thing I've ever seen

[01:27:34] I'm laughing so much it's funny they both landed on the floor at the same time people like that that was good we got a few calls here's Mike Caruso hey guys Mike from Cincinnati again and I'm still really intrigued by what they're doing with Terry here

[01:27:52] you know like you expect Terry to come in make the beast a two headed beast make Cobra Kai stronger but at first you know Chris and Silver aren't on the same page they have this dinner meeting and I think the show was trying to tell us

[01:28:10] that Chris is cool he's going to follow Silver's lead now or let Silver do his thing but I don't know I kind of feel like Chris isn't still fully on board Chris like to me that he's still giving him some side eye

[01:28:26] and I could see something happening there I'm not totally sure where they're going to go with that but I think it's really interesting it's not what you expected it to be subverting those expectations again the other thing I really like is Amanda and Tori

[01:28:42] I just think that's really neat I like Amanda as a character she's obviously awesome for Daniel but I think it's cool that she's involved with one of the kids lives because I feel like Daniel and Johnny have been the two characters mainly interacting with the kids

[01:29:00] it'll be cool to see Amanda come into the fold a little bit maybe next season she'll start doing some karate now I'm kidding but yeah I like that dynamic that pairing there I wasn't expecting it and I think it's pretty cool so let me know what you guys

[01:29:16] think about Silver and Chris I think Chris is still not totally 100% cool with Terry Silver's game plan there excited to hear what you guys have to say and go Bengals they won today they did go thanks Mike I didn't even consider that Chris wasn't being sincere there

[01:29:40] but now that you mention it I am now everybody looks at Silver with the side eye I guess he's not Chris he's a snake so who knows alright let's play Greg Schwam hello housepod castigo this is Greg calling about Cobra Kai episode 5 match point and uh

[01:30:04] episode 6 chicks dig kicks I think that's what it was called so the match point the classic double knockout I kind of expected it a little bit but I was curious how they would pull it off I thought it was pretty entertaining and uh then chicks dig kicks

[01:30:26] I'm assuming that's saying obviously kicks but also all of the new gear and the new kicks I don't know if they're shoes but like designer gear for new students and all that I thought that was an interesting allegory what I noticed from these episodes is that like seriously

[01:30:46] just hug it out bitch right let's channel Ari Gold and just hug it out it's uh if Sam just hey I learned from Aisha I'm just going to give Toria a hug when she shows up I'm going to say we're not going to be besties but we'll

[01:31:08] stay out of each other's way and everybody else can forgive this girl um Daniel I get it Toria Silver tortured you extensively 35 years ago come on just give him a hug you want to flip the script give people hugs don't just try to whoop their ass

[01:31:30] don't challenge them to ridiculous shit just everybody hug it out bitch I hope you never get a job as a writer on co-op it would be the hugging show I think in real life that's beautiful though thank you agreed works for real life okay here's uh Jonathan Buckele

[01:31:58] I don't know what it is with this series but every time I think it can't surprise me it does who knew we were going to get a Johnny montage and it was awesome kicking post boxes knocking over strangers on their scooters bald eagles

[01:32:14] and my favorite punching and kicking waves all very rocky three but it was Sam's visit with Aisha that was the real surprise for me her support and appreciation of Johnny was very touching and I hope that Sam learned something from this and leaves her evil ways behind

[01:32:32] and one last thing is that Buckele entering his Elvis in Vegas stage I don't get it I think it might be about the haircut and he's getting a little chubby nah he's just getting bigger he's filling in I mean he oiled up he looked good

[01:32:58] show me the beach ball show me the beach ball that's a great voice now on Boba Fett with us next week oh is he really? please tell me he does audio books though I was going to say his voice and his accent is so great

[01:33:14] he brought a level of sophistication to talking about Cobra Kai that this show did was amazing beautiful or lacked alright that is our show thanks so much for listening everybody thank you Damien thanks so much for having me I hope I didn't bring you all down

[01:33:41] it was a good you guys were awesome I love you all it's pretty good thanks it's alright I look forward to the rest of this Damien I'm looking forward I don't know if it's alright for me to say this but Damien asked me to come talk beyond Washington

[01:34:03] absolutely because I have to talk to you about that so yeah you can talk about it he asked me he put aside one of my favorite 80s movies Ferris Bueller's Day Off I haven't even ever talked about that on a podcast

[01:34:17] so I'm very much looking forward to that how do people find that by the way the podcast I mean we haven't recorded that oh I'm sorry you can just go to watch it in the 80spodcast.com and that will just show you

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[01:34:49] we also put up a post for each week's episode on our Facebook page at facebook.com slash podcastica and be sure to check out the other great podcasts at podcastica.com today I listened to Pake and Rema's 3 hour podcast on the Dexter finale on Strange and Deed

[01:35:07] which had a bit of a different tone than the Cobra Kai uh oh it was uh well I don't want to spoil that but if you saw that you should go check out the podcast Strange and Deed for sure he really gave the series its due thank you

[01:35:25] high praise, appreciate that tomorrow on House Podcastica we're recording the Yellow Jacket season finale insane finale oh my god that show um and then yeah I just want to mention again be sure to check out Watched It in the 80s podcast

[01:35:43] with Damien talking about all kinds of great 80s movies people watching Cobra Kai you might be particularly interested in that next on this podcast next for Cobra Kai is season 4 episode 7 and 8 minefields and party time going into the back half party time before tournament what must be Johnny

[01:36:05] alright that's our show thanks for listening I'm coming for you bitch yikes