22: "Minefields" & "Party Time" (S4E7&8)

[00:00:00] I said no, alright? I'm telling you, cause she's really good. She's in her second year of grad school for child psychology. Who is? Uh, cousin Vanessa. She wants to help out with Anthony.

[00:00:21] No offense, but if we're gonna get a pro, we could do better than Marissa Tomei Jr. You know I am offended. I'm gonna make you eat those words. Hey, Ness! Nessah! Louie, come here. Hey sis, tell them what you told me about Aunt.

[00:00:35] Well, I mean I can't say for sure what his deal is. Okay, well that's too bad. But my educated guess would be that he has environmentally induced disruptive mood dysregulation disorder possibly related to a screen dependency or full blown IGD.

[00:00:47] Regardless, I'd want to look at the diagnostic and statistical manual it's an evolving science. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Richard. And I'm Rima. This is House Podcastica Cobra Kai Edition. This week we're covering Cobra Kai Season 4 episodes 7 and 8, Minefields and Party Time!

[00:01:18] Party Time. P-A-R-T-Y? Because I gotta. Cause I gotta. It is Party Time. It's a good day because today is the day that we get to watch the rest of the series. So you won't have to not know what's gonna happen. Happy day!

[00:01:40] Okay, Cobra Kai Season 4 episodes 7 and 8, Minefields and Party Time. What did you guys think? I think there were some really great moments in these episodes. I was hoping for a little bit more. I don't know, maybe you guys will.

[00:02:00] I didn't dislike the episodes by any means, but I was a little underwhelmed I think. They were not my two favorites, I think of what I've seen in the series so far. Still a lot of good stuff that happened though. I'm with you.

[00:02:13] I'm like, what the hell just happened? Yeah. I mean it was kind of a bit of a shit show if you're honest, if I'm honest. I mean everybody was like unhinged, you know? It was chaos in the valley, you know?

[00:02:28] I don't know, I was kind of hoping that everything was going so well and they were really working up to it and the tournament. And then all of a sudden now it's just like, ah crap what's gonna happen next?

[00:02:41] I felt like it went off the rails a little bit. They were doing a pretty good job of keeping a straight line. So is that a negative to you? Yeah, I mean at first I was like, these two episodes really aren't my favorite.

[00:02:52] But then after I started taking notes and diving a little deeper into it, I kind of got into the whole predictions part of it. And I was like, oh okay what's gonna happen next then? What's gonna happen with us? You know, what's gonna do that?

[00:03:03] Then I got excited. Yeah, yeah I'm with you. My second watch I warmed up to it a little bit more than I did my first time around. I didn't hate them by any means. They're still super fine. A lot of great lines, great emotional moments.

[00:03:18] Just slightly underwhelming for me leading up into the last two episodes. That's quite a word too. Underwhelming. Yeah, I thought they were pretty great. I mean not the best of the season but just as good as anything in my opinion. I really enjoyed both of them.

[00:03:36] There were some great moments. Unfortunately we got Stingray back who's my least favorite character probably. At least Terry Silver kicked the crap out of him so that was good. No, I'm just kidding. That was pretty brutal. That was pretty brutal.

[00:03:47] Probably the most brutal thing we've seen in the series maybe. But anyway, aside from Stingray coming back I liked it. I liked the dance and I liked the stuff with Terry Silver even though it was hard to kind of figure out what was going on there.

[00:04:01] But I think I might have figured it out. In fact, if you don't mind I'm gonna go first this week. Is that cool? Yeah absolutely. Okay so my number one is finding your opponent's weaknesses and getting in their heads.

[00:04:13] Which I am about to do to both of you. As a demonstration. Click. We're going on, right? You got how weak this is. Let me think about that. Just kidding.

[00:04:28] Okay so Terry Silver is teaching the Cobra Kai kids to look for weaknesses and get in their opponent's head. Which makes sense because he's a calculating kind of guy and he observes his opponent and tailors his strategy to what he finds there.

[00:04:45] And he says what your opponent is thinking is key in war, in business, in a fight. Those are all the arenas we know he's operated in and it makes sense that he kind of has a similar strategy.

[00:04:57] He says don't let them think whatever they want make them think what you want them to think. If they think you're weak that's when you can surprise them with your strength. Which is kind of close to what he did in Karate Kid 3 with Daniel.

[00:05:09] Made him think he was meek anyways and then surprised him. So one example of that was Robbie and Tory going to the dance. They're not even saying they're going because they want to go with each other.

[00:05:24] They're saying it's a way to implement this strategy get inside Sam and Miguel's head. And it totally worked. Top balance, yeah. Yeah and they made this amazing entrance. I like the dance and I like them together and I thought they looked so great together.

[00:05:39] I just keep thinking how much he looks like a young Val Kilmer. That hair. They were a cute couple. They make a good couple. Yeah she looked like a classic Hollywood starlet. And Sam and Miguel were all shaking up and couldn't stop looking at them.

[00:05:54] I'm like just ignore them you guys. Maybe the fact that you both care does say something about your relationship. And during the pool fight Sam said to Robbie you think I broke your heart? Well you broke mine too.

[00:06:08] I guess you're hung up on him still and Miguel says tonight was supposed to be for you and me. You ruined it. So yeah then again he was looking at Tory too. He was definitely ogling at Tory. Yeah they're like all shaking up by it.

[00:06:25] I love the pool party fight started the two girls and then it's the dance partners going at each other. That's pretty funny. See that was something I couldn't get into. I was just like eh been there done that seen it. Seen it all?

[00:06:42] Yeah and the whole idea of doing a dance move as they were doing karate. I was like how are they into this what are they doing? I didn't really. And then they get in the pool and they're laughing and they're laughing in their fun.

[00:06:56] I was like ha ha ha. Robbie and Tory because they're in a good mood tonight. Like they can see that their approach has worked plus they've kind of realized that they like each other. So I really thought all that was pretty great.

[00:07:09] So yeah they really succeeded in fucking up the fucking with those two's heads. Anthony now Kenny this maybe isn't doesn't quite nail it but Anthony has decided.

[00:07:21] Okay I'm going to go tell Kenny I'm sorry I would like to start over and I'm like yeah if you'd said that before Cobra Kai got their hands on Kenny things might be fine but now it's I've got nothing to say to you La Puso because it's so Barbara.

[00:07:35] But anyway then Kenny suddenly becomes like this horror villain in the library. Right. Yeah. It turned into Rambo. Right. One of the dark and whispering La Puso. So I guess that's supposed to be him trying to get into their heads.

[00:07:55] I don't know it was a bit over the top but it was all right. He's not even fighting them in the tournament so you know they're just he's just getting him payback. Yeah actually like that scene. I was kind of rooting for Kenny.

[00:08:07] I was like yeah get La Puso.

[00:08:10] I mean yeah like at first when he said that like hey this guy's coming and trying to tell you he's sorry and you're calling him that aren't you kind of poking the bear there but on the other hand they've really just been giving it to him every day.

[00:08:24] Yeah. Taking his clothes and all that. But really the main part of this is I think actually you know this is about getting into your opponent's head. I think Chris got into Terry Silver's head because did he ever.

[00:08:40] That's terrible when he beat the shit out of Stingray with a patented aggressive Terry Silver piano music in the background and everything.

[00:08:47] I thought okay like after seeing him more reasonable and temperate all season I need to go back and see if I can figure out how he got to this place is it just inconsistent writing or what.

[00:08:58] Well it started with a couple episodes ago where Terry's like let me set the tone here how we're going to teach the class so he kind of like took control. Chris doesn't like that here he's telling the Cobra Kai students that Chris has a weakness.

[00:09:14] He doesn't like that. He wins the little bet they have about whose fighters are going to win and he wins beers.

[00:09:21] So he's just showing up Chris all over the place so finally Chris has had enough and he asked him what he thinks you know you said I have a weakness what is it Terry Silver wouldn't say but I'm sure he has something in mind and I hope we get to find out what he thinks it is.

[00:09:38] That'd be cool. His weaknesses he thinks he has no weaknesses. I can tell you what it is. What is it? It's Johnny. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe he did seem to care for him a little bit.

[00:09:52] Yeah he made him stop but that has not come to fruition yet and I think by that time Silver's to spun out to take advantage of that if he realized it maybe he will but yeah I think you have a good point there.

[00:10:08] So Chris tells the story of their army buddy who broke ranks and took point and then blew himself up in a minefield and you can see Terry Silver's face just go cold like I'd rather not think about that or whatever he said.

[00:10:27] Yeah and then he reminds him of how he saved his life when they were trapped in that cage and Terry Silver had fallen apart.

[00:10:34] I think you know on the surface he's just telling Terry Silver you need to follow my lead don't be going point or there's minefields there's mines out there but what are the metaphorical minds that Terry Silver needs to be afraid of there's nothing for him to be afraid of what is Chris going to do fire him who cares he didn't even want to do the job in the first place.

[00:10:53] I think the real point of all that is he's reminding him of these things that Terry Silver has PTSD over you know he's bringing it right up to the surface and that's all tied in with Terry feeling like he owes Chris his life.

[00:11:08] And that's like the craziness of karate kid three that this billionaire would stop everything with his businesses for two weeks just to devote all his time and money and energy to torturing a young kid and an old man because he will do anything for Chris at the time it seemed like really but now that they've shown actually shown the incident where he saved his life and I think that's what it was he just triggered some PTSD in Terry Silver.

[00:11:38] And now he's really focused on the loyalty after that moment that he has.

[00:11:44] I think there's an unhealthy co dependence between the two of these guys but now he's like he brings Johnny to the old Cobra Kai dojo and kicks him in the face and Chris says you got him to come here. I had to prove my loyalty.

[00:11:57] He brings up loyalty a couple of times. Yeah. And then he rationalizes you know so much for avoiding drama and focusing on the tournament but he rationalizes that when Johnny's champion Miguel sees him beaten to a pulp it'll throw him off balance.

[00:12:11] He goes just like your lesson unlike him pointing at Johnny I actually heed your lessons because Chris had told Cobra Kai you're going to learn how to get inside their heads and throw them off balance which is I think what what Chris did to him actually.

[00:12:26] But it's I mean at the beginning of this series Terry Silver didn't even want to see Chris when Chris came over to his house. This is why. Yeah. Yeah this is why because this is why it gets in your head. Yeah.

[00:12:39] So yeah so so I guess it's just that you know and now I mean now Chris is saying we agreed to settle this at the tournament which is it feels a bit flip floppy you know like that's what Terry Silver was saying but Chris is now taking charge but taking off.

[00:12:55] Terry Silver's outlook and Terry Silver's taken on Chris's outlook about going to the drama kind of switch there but anyway then at the end when he beats the shit out of out of Stingray he's drinking for one thing but he's also stewing on you said I'm questioning you know mercy bullshit

[00:13:13] I proved my loyalty he's like I prove my loyalty damn it that's what he's really focused on then Stingray comes in and he remembers that Chris told Stingray to leave so he's going to prove his loyalty again and say get the fuck out of here and beat the shit out of him.

[00:13:25] So I mean that's the best I can make of what what's going on with with Terry Silver I don't know what you guys think. I had some similar ideas like that.

[00:13:34] I wrote it down more as they have this continuing military theme you know going on with Cobra Kai. In addition to you know Terry Silver going back in the crazy form you know no no cocaine needed just a mind fucked from Chris.

[00:13:50] That's all really needed is to push him over the edge right. Yeah I'm attracted to the to the solidarity of the Cobra Kai dojo you know Chris and Silver they present a united front even though there's friction on who should be in charge there.

[00:14:05] And the students are well trained and disciplined because of it you know I like I've always been attracted to movies and TV shows where you have you know people that are working together and collaborating.

[00:14:16] Well and the writers and showers have done a good job of keeping that military theme going in that respect.

[00:14:23] It shows in the students to like how like you mentioned Robbie and Tori showed up at the prom well aware that they're going to troll Sam and Miguel and then they end up just having fun and ignoring Sam and Miguel at the dance.

[00:14:36] And at the pool while Sam and Meg get the Sam and Miguel are falling apart you know. Well the writers are always always showing Cobra Kai as strong and Miyagi do is kind of weak.

[00:14:50] Well you want the good guys quote unquote to go into the tournament as the underdogs you want to be the underdogs exactly. Take in this case although since it's for sure since there's more seasons the underdog may actually lose.

[00:15:02] You know what I mean I wouldn't be surprised if I wins the tournament yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Cobra Kai comes out on top this season with the tournament. Honestly I mean they are well put together. They are very disciplined.

[00:15:15] They've got to you know senseis that I mean as far as the kids know are working well together.

[00:15:22] You know I mean they haven't seen you know I could with Johnny and Daniel they have like visibly like kind of argued in front of the kids and broken apart instead of working together at Cobra Kai that's kind of kept more behind the scenes.

[00:15:36] I don't think the kids see it so they still see United front with the two. They right now I think are the stronger dojo. Absolutely good.

[00:15:44] Plus you know I think Chris likes what Terry wants well had proposed which is you know opening up branches and pretty much taking over the valley. I think Chris just wants to be in charge. He wants to be in control yeah.

[00:15:58] Yeah he wants to be in control of everybody. They want when he says jump he wants them to say hi sir. And don't give him any shit. No back talk. Don't point out his weaknesses. Right. Was that your first point Rich?

[00:16:16] Oh no I was just expanding on what you were saying. Let's see. I got Johnny and Miguel we should probably talk about them. Yeah. The heart felt discussions between Johnny and Miguel. Man they were tugging at my heartstrings I'm telling you.

[00:16:36] The one in the dojo was great when they were sitting up. Were they sitting up in the rafters? They were sitting up high but Johnny was struggling you know with making sense of the whole dad issue that he went through.

[00:16:48] And you know it may not be the best father figure but at least he's trying and he understands you know what his issues are. It was totally on point I thought and really emotional.

[00:17:00] And then at the end of the last episode there was episode eight when Miguel was feeling upset and insecure after the party.

[00:17:08] You know he shows up and Johnny's on the floor wasted he's he touchingly cares for Johnny putting him in bed and he's rewarded with I love you I love you too Robby.

[00:17:19] And I was just like oh a little bit of tears showing up in my eye I was like that hurts. That hurts.

[00:17:26] That really hurt because he said I just want to be a good father to you and I you know I try I know I suck at it but that's all I want.

[00:17:36] And he's like you're doing a good job and I love you man and I'm like oh this is such a great scene and then he goes I love you too Robby. And I'm like oh man you just fucked up a good scene writers.

[00:17:48] But the point is they're upset with Robby I'm like damn it you screwed up again not Robby Johnny damn it.

[00:17:54] Oh Johnny yeah I mean Robby had just said to Miguel at the dance you know he doesn't care about yeah he's just feeling guilty about messing up with me and he's trying to make himself feel better.

[00:18:04] So what Johnny just said kind of stuck that knife in even deeper like so doubt in Robby and I don't think it's that simple I think it is true that he feels bad about Robby and his maybe trying to make up for it with Miguel but he also cares about Miguel too.

[00:18:22] Yeah but I think Miguel is going to doubt that now and it was interesting that Sam decided to go back to Johnny I kind of like that actually like I'm gonna learn both damn it.

[00:18:31] And it made me wonder if Miguel would go back to Daniel and now especially after this with Johnny who knows where that leaves Miguel. Miguel's head at.

[00:18:40] Yeah well it because we already saw him Daniel were forming a really good bond you know few episodes ago that Johnny was you know getting jealous of so yeah maybe. I was waiting for Miguel to say dad I love you too dad. That's what this show does man.

[00:19:09] Okay well that was my point to is Miguel and Johnny in the emotional moments you know I thought that was a really emotional high point that scene there where you know Miguel was kind of acknowledging that you know he knew that and you know

[00:19:25] inevitably there were going to be some changes you know that you know since he found out that Johnny and his mom you know we're dating now.

[00:19:33] And you know after kind of going through some bumps there realizing how much things were changing you know they were changing you know their class because Johnny went learning practice you know with the other kids. You know and then how things were changing for him at home too.

[00:19:50] And then they were able to finally kind of come together and have that nice little talk and you know when he says you know.

[00:19:56] What did you say it feels kind of weird to say it out loud but I don't know there's a lot of things I want to stay the same like you being my sensei yeah that was like.

[00:20:03] Oh yeah and he's like yeah and I was like I think I teared up just a little bit there so that was was super sweet between them and I thought I'm glad that they kind of came back together a little bit because you know their Johnny did get his feelings hurt you know seeing how close.

[00:20:18] Miguel and Daniel you know we're getting with each other and then yeah I wish that moment you talked about there you know. Miguel you know finds Johnny you know he's he's drunk after you know Terry Silver beat the crap out of him and stuff puts him in bed.

[00:20:33] Miguel's had a rough night you know it was supposed to be a good time at the prom and you know him and Sam are fighting.

[00:20:42] He's I guess maybe having some emotion still about Tori I don't know because he couldn't take his eyes off ever and so he's it was hard. Yeah she looked great in that. Very nice dress.

[00:20:59] So yeah he's had a really rough night and then you know he has that nice moment again with Johnny you know and then when when he called him Robbie I thought oh man and his acting was so good. Yeah.

[00:21:14] I can't think of the actor's name but the actor that plays Miguel he did a great job because his face like he just fell apart when he said yeah I love you too Robbie it was like oh man that was like.

[00:21:24] Before that too when he thought it was talking about him he's like tearing up and everything.

[00:21:29] He was yeah it was all tearing up it was great I thought oh a nice scene again and then it was got punch when he said that but I thought that was great.

[00:21:38] I mean it's so great about this show is you know it can make you feel so many emotions you know it can be so funny it could be drama it can have a little bit of the teen drama to it but then these really high emotional points that you know really pull your heart strings

[00:21:52] and at least me shedding a few tears over it. One thing I really like about it.

[00:21:58] I was also happy that we had those emotional moments because I was you know we were teeter tottering I think Rima about you know how these two episodes were overall you know because a lot of it dealt with Stingray and Anthony two characters I really don't care about.

[00:22:13] And then they busted this out between Miguel and Johnny and I was just like oh my god I love these characters. Yes at least we had that yeah. Right we had that. Yeah let's not skip over the fact that Johnny got his ass kicked by Terry hello.

[00:22:28] Isn't he usually the one doing the ass kicking. No is actually no he tends to get his ass kicked a lot. Remember that last scene in Karate Kid. I hate my face. It's just one point man didn't prove anything. He's got a counter for that now.

[00:22:51] Yeah that's right. I like we hadn't really seen Johnny and Daniel together after they both kicked each other in the face last time and then Johnny and Carmen come over for dinner and just grab each other for a second.

[00:23:05] Guess the first time they've seen each other since then yeah. They're still friends. They didn't say anything to each other so that was nice not to ruin the moment. Yeah I think they were growing up for just a moment.

[00:23:16] Their relationship has had its ups and downs but I would say even though they just had a split they're still not as low as it has been you know right of course of the series and everything. Yeah they don't hate each other for no reason.

[00:23:31] Yeah they have some respect for each other now and it was interesting too when Terry Silver was fighting Johnny he said oh it looks like LaRusso's taught you some defense because he was using some Miyagi dough moves. Cool.

[00:23:45] Okay my next one is struggling to be a good father slash father figure.

[00:23:50] I am interested in the Anthony stuff because he's really struggling you know he's been a real little shithead on this show but he's trying to be better and he's got some total asshole friends and he's got the screen addiction that he's battling.

[00:24:11] And Daniel like he tells Daniel that the Cobra Kai was picking on him which is not true and Daniel says it's time go upstairs and get changed and if he says for what and he goes just go upstairs get changed.

[00:24:25] I'm like we gotta tell him once for he's gonna put a suit on or something.

[00:24:29] I mean he should from the context realize what he's telling you but he asked so anyways he does seem interested in learning karate but he's fighting his own laziness and distractibility he wants wifi he hires someone else to wash the car off jackrabbit.

[00:24:44] And it reminds me of my own kids where too much screen time makes you impatient with things that don't give you instant gratification.

[00:24:53] You know and it's and so they might have good intentions but when it's really easy to switch to something else that's more fun they do it.

[00:25:01] And so then Daniel says after that jack you know him hiring someone to wash the car I thought you were mature enough to appreciate all of this but I guess I was wrong just go back to your video games he sounds really contemptuous a couple times with Anthony which I'm like.

[00:25:16] That's not the best parenting but I can identify with you sometimes you just get fed up and then but then Anthony feels bad like he's on a bit of a roller coaster here too that he starts looking at the old. You know press clips of Daniels and.

[00:25:32] He he starts talking about Mr. Miyagi he has enough self awareness to be like look everyone always talks about him but I didn't know him that well and so I feel out of the loop.

[00:25:43] I was impressed with that and it also is an interesting development for his character given that he's felt like an outsider for a lot of the series barely even present like missed whole seasons.

[00:25:55] But now he's got a storyline and I'm glad that Daniel found out that he's been bullying Kenny just to get out there so he can deal with it and then incomes cousin Vanessa.

[00:26:06] Who is awesome I thought and she says I mean I can't say for sure what his deal is but my educated guess would be environmentally induced disruptive mood dysregulation disorder possibly related to a screen dependency or full blown IGD.

[00:26:21] And those words kind of cut like a knife for me then she says would you say that because that because of your demanding work schedules and now the dojo that Anthony may have learned key life lessons from the Internet rather than from you.

[00:26:36] With COVID I my kids have been getting so much screen time and Bodie's five and he's always asking for it and watching these episodes made me feel like we need to make a change around here you know because it's a serious like I looked up IGD it's Internet gaming disorder.

[00:26:56] Yeah, they're both disorders because they're recognized as being addictive. Yeah, it's compulsive use of games that results in significant impairment to an individual's ability to function in various life domains over a prolonged period of time.

[00:27:11] They commit a diagnosis when an individual engages in gaming activities at the cost of fulfilling daily responsibilities or pursuing other interests without regard for the negative consequence.

[00:27:22] A lack of self control over gaming and then I like that she called Daniel and Amanda out on it not blaming it all on Anthony. Yeah, so you know she says they're acting out and traces the root of the problem to them. Absolutely.

[00:27:37] Yeah well and you know season one when we first met Anthony I think the only you know the few times we saw him anyway he wasn't on every episode I think and only in there for a minute.

[00:27:46] His face was always in the switch he was just always you know talking to his parents with his face down in like his Nintendo all the time the few times and then I think we just saw him maybe one time in another season.

[00:27:59] So yeah, I mean they've done a good job of kind of following that same you know it's consistent with when we first met him so and yeah I've never heard of that but I could totally see that there you know it could be a thing. It's an issue.

[00:28:15] And now and he's hiding his tablet under his pillow or whatever.

[00:28:20] Boat does that all the time I go in the room and he's sitting there with this look on his face like what and I walk over to the bed and then he sees that I'm going to pull the blanket back and find it right so he goes oh oh look what's here how did this get here he's five so he has no skill in this at all it's so funny to watch.

[00:28:39] Where did this come from? I think Nico put it here. What the hell? What? That's hilarious.

[00:28:49] So when Daniel breaks the tablet that was intense it was another like God he's so intense but it really seemed to do the trick because then Anthony's taken out the trash and saying he screwed up and did some things and with his kid it went too far and he feels bad about it he heard what Daniel said

[00:29:08] and you know he's asking to help him out at the dealership I mean unless he's bullshitting which he very well may be because Samantha just kind of bullshitted Amanda just last week and then went and tried to terrorize Tori but I really hope he's on the up and up because

[00:29:25] I want them to make us like Anthony I want him to grow as a character and I'm glad that they're being true to his character where he has that he's always been a bit of a dundek so he has to overcome that but maybe he's improving

[00:29:39] and yeah I mean him ordering that guy to clean his cars is kind of like in season one I think he ordered was it a switch or a drone or something over Alexa and Daniel couldn't reverse it. That's right. Anyway.

[00:29:55] He brought that up too he's all you have my Apple air pay on your credit card. Yeah that's what I mean but I like him more already when I see him struggling and trying to do good versus an earlier season he just didn't give a shit at all.

[00:30:09] It endears me to him. That's a nice thought. I didn't see it I didn't think of it that way I thought he was more of just a plot device to expose lazy parenting on Amanda and Daniel's part.

[00:30:21] Because at some point you have to kind of address it right.

[00:30:25] Yeah I mean I think when the show is at its best it treats all the characters as fully fleshed out human beings you know so one character may have an impact on another character's plot but they're still also exploring that character too.

[00:30:40] Yeah hopefully I think so with Anthony.

[00:30:43] But and then of course there's Johnny and Miguel as far as trying to be a good father figure I think you guys covered that pretty well but I think one thing I wanted to mention is I just thought it was so funny when they were sitting there like Miguel late and Johnny's like I don't want to be a disciplinary into him I had my asshole stepfather

[00:31:03] and I she said no just you know why don't we both talk to him. Okay Carm is like we just want you to be safe right always wear protection what no no don't wear protection you let the girl decide. No Johnny. Beaks his mind doesn't he.

[00:31:25] He's really trying hard like oh yeah it's the girls decision no no. Yeah and the actor Zabka is that William Zabka. Yeah he does a good job at that he really doesn't seem like he's really trying. He's so so good.

[00:31:44] Zabka's good and the Thomasian Griffith he plays Silver has been really good so it's good to get some really good actors on here to sell all this stuff so well. Yeah good writing good acting you're drawn in to the characters for sure. Yeah absolutely.

[00:32:05] Oh mine was real similar to yours mine was all about lazy parenting right that's kind of how I phrased it because with you like how it hit how deep with you it cuts deep with B2 because it hit a little bit too close to like what I do for a living.

[00:32:18] The disrupt the you know disruptive mood dis right D. Disregulation disorder and the Internet gaming disorder that's it's like that's the talk at school by everybody the administrators teachers even the parents are getting in on it now.

[00:32:35] Because we see it on a daily basis you know the way we see it is that for an entire year and a half during the pandemic during the lockdown and the kids were on distance learning.

[00:32:47] Social media platforms and gaming were their babysitters for these kids that were locked down at home right. And now that they're back in school we thought our kids are pretty resilient they're bounced back they'll get back into the routine.

[00:33:02] No it hasn't happened yet I mean as we progress through the year the kids really aren't bouncing back to that you know to the pre pandemic routines and behaviors that you want to see in the classroom.

[00:33:13] It was ridiculous at the beginning of the year there was a fight every single day.

[00:33:19] And now the fighting is mostly subsided because all those kids that were fighting we've gotten suspended and or kicked out of school but the cyber bullying and shit talking between the kids still rampant I mean they'll do it right in front of you in the classroom.

[00:33:33] You know you have to take them aside and say look what you're saying is exactly what YouTubers say into the camera in a room when they're by themselves you can't say that to another person to their face you're going to make him angry.

[00:33:47] You know there's all learning that what they see on social media and what they can say in real life you know it doesn't work and all the teachers are unanimously blaming the internet.

[00:33:59] And the gaming disorder thing because it's just so obvious you know I'm not doing it justice trying to put it in the words here but when you're there in the classroom day to day grinding it out it's just like oh my god. Wow.

[00:34:13] Am I on a YouTube show right now? It's tough. Do you think when you when you think about games YouTube and social media and just watching a TV show do you think there's a difference in all of those are some worse than others or they about the same.

[00:34:32] I think any type of media consumption can be dangerous when it's an addiction and that's the problem is that most of these kids are addicted to it now.

[00:34:41] You know you see them for seven hours they're at school for seven hours are getting some structure in their lives are getting some knowledge in their lives.

[00:34:48] They're getting some life skills in their knives lives and then for the other 11 hours of their day they're at home on get the gaming platform everything you did that day is erased. You know they come back to school and literally have forgotten everything we taught the day before.

[00:35:01] And it's not just an act they really don't remember and it's like how do you not remember that it was just like their attention span because everything's like short like.

[00:35:10] YouTube videos TikTok and yeah you know the kids are so low this year that our district I don't want to speak for other districts but our district has lower the graduation graduating GPA to 1.5. Because of it in lower to 1.5 half after kids wouldn't graduate. Wow.

[00:35:31] Yeah it's pretty bad but I do live in a depressed area that's kind of not too high on public schools and education you know. In the nation. I'm sure other districts are having the same thing. Yeah.

[00:35:49] But yeah and then you know Amanda and Daniel get called out for the bad parenting and that was a good scene I like that. What did Amanda caller Marissa Tomay Jr. Yeah. Funny. Did you guys know that cousin Vanessa is Ralph Machio's daughter in real life. What. Really.

[00:36:12] Yeah Julia Machio. Wow. She's 29. Yeah so it was funny that Amanda called her Marissa Tomay Jr. And you know Mr. Marissa Tomay and my cousin Vinny and. Right. Yeah. Yeah. She was great. Yeah she was really good.

[00:36:35] Yeah and she called them both out for acting out instead of correcting the behavior issues and I guess they're both hot heads. Amanda and Daniel.

[00:36:46] Even after failing the test for acting out Amanda still like jerked towards Vanessa like she was going to kick her ass and get out of the. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:56] I mean that's that was that was a good little scene because yeah that's how people get when they feel that they're being exposed something that they don't even want to see about themselves. Oh yeah by someone else. You want to wriggle out of it anyway you can.

[00:37:12] We see it in our parent teacher conferences and our IEPs and 504 as these parents come in and we're just you know it's just a barrage of evidence about how their kids are behaving this year. And they're like oh my god I didn't run you know.

[00:37:25] Now we know I live with Johnny acts that way.

[00:37:27] And then by the time you have the third meeting because the kid hasn't seen any improvement the parents are just like we've tried everything out what do I don't understand he's defying you he's defying us what do we do. We're like take his frickin phone away. What.

[00:37:44] And then the parents are just like what are you. You can't do that isn't that illegal. It's like no. The parent kid take away their stuff. They don't even think about it. Actually ever said is it illegal. No no it's just that you just get the facial expressions.

[00:38:01] Oh my god they never thought of such a thing. You can do that. Yeah a lot of the parents that are of the age are millennials for these kids that were teaching so the millennial they've grown up a lot on their phones too.

[00:38:12] Well I'm no millennial but for me it's like. When we're home and I need to be doing podcast prep the easiest thing to do is just say go play games or go watch a show you know because they're quiet.

[00:38:26] And if they're not doing that they're breaking something or they're yelling or they're making a mess or they're in my face. And so I need to somehow get creative of not always having screens be the go to thing.

[00:38:39] It's so much harder because I can't focus when they're always wanting something you know. But yeah it's important enough to figure it out. Totally.

[00:38:51] But like the difference is remember when we were kids and we were doing that being annoying and destructive and my mom would just be like God damn it go outside. Just kick us out of the house. But you can't send them outside anymore. Yeah I know.

[00:39:05] I watched a lot of TV. I watched six hours of TV a day as a kid. Yeah. Now look what you do for a living. See I was a lash key kid. I turned it into a money making operation. I know it's totally yeah. Follow your dreams kids.

[00:39:22] Only we had this when we were kids. Yeah I mean I was a lash key kid you know and my mom worked evenings you know I went to school during the day and then my mom worked evenings as a waitress.

[00:39:32] And so I come home and see her for maybe 45 minutes and maybe sometimes an hour depending on her shift. And then I'd be home by myself all night.

[00:39:41] And that's what I would do you know I wasn't really supposed to go anywhere but I did a lot of times but I would sit at home and I'd watch a lot of TV. I'd have my own dinner and I put myself to bed.

[00:39:51] My mom would come home after I had went to bed and I watched a lot of TV a lot of TV in movies. I was raised on cable and HBO. I was the same. My mom had the swing shift too so it was the same thing.

[00:40:02] I probably would have but we never had my parents were too cheap to pay for cable so we just had the three stations that you could get on rabbit ear antennas.

[00:40:10] My mom sprung for because I was home she felt bad yeah you know because I was home and you know that it she you know kind of helped keep me entertained and kept me home usually so.

[00:40:21] My mom was stay at home and she just kicked us out of the house and so. Your mom yeah she she would say exactly what was going to happen and then it would happen. Yeah because she was tough. You don't eat those vegetables. Okay is that it rich.

[00:40:43] Yeah when Daniel loses it you know you had mentioned Daniel lost it and broke Anthony's device. Yeah I was pretty powerful because I was like yeah.

[00:40:54] Finally later on you know he's taken out the garbage and Amanda's like well I don't know what kind of me I'll give magic you pulled. Magic you pull and I'm like no it's just called good parenting for one. That's all it is being an authoritative parent hello.

[00:41:10] I bet you I don't know for sure but younger people watching that were like what an asshole. Yeah probably they're like what are you guys talking about. Don't be dicks. Anything else. No that's it. Rema.

[00:41:29] I just short and sweet I wanted to just kind of mention Kenny for a minute that you know we kind of talked about what he did there at school with the I don't even know those other kids his names Anthony's friends.

[00:41:41] I really do not like that blonde curly head of curly head of kid. Jerk one jerk two. Yeah that's good that's good we just call him that.

[00:41:49] So I don't know I think it's kind of you know for me anyway kind of disturbing to see him kind of lean into his aggression you know more and more. You know I didn't think I mean it I don't know there was a cobra cobra.

[00:42:03] Yeah totally so I mean you know while there was just a little bit of satisfaction yes whenever Kenny was beating the hell out of those kids in the library because they I think I don't know my attitude is you know you can only take so much when you're getting bullied.

[00:42:16] And you know you're gonna kind of get payback and those kids definitely deserve to have a little bit of payback but it's kind of you know it wasn't really that funny he really did hurt the kids and you know something bad could really happen and you know I think he's kind of following a little.

[00:42:33] I think anyway similar trajectory that Hawk did early on in the show. So I don't know I think I'd hate to see he seems like a really sweet kid.

[00:42:42] He you know I've really felt for him and I think he's a good kid but he's you know kind of been indoctrinated under crease and Terry there at Cobra Kai and I hate to kind of see him go down that same path.

[00:42:52] So I don't know it'd be interesting to see I think you know how he ends up there at the end and yeah I wonder if they have like a long plan for him maybe he'll be more involved in season two or something. I think he might be.

[00:43:05] I think they're all going into high school next year right. Those kids are the middle school kids and yeah. And then what did you say. Kids are gonna be graduating right. Yeah I think so.

[00:43:16] Kenny couple of many episodes ago I was predicting that Kenny Kenny was there to as a you know like a device for Robby to see the error in his ways because he's taking this nice innocent kid and turning him into a you know strike first no mercy. Headhunter.

[00:43:35] He's gonna have that moment where he's like oh my god what have I done. Just like Miguel was like that too for a while. Yep. They've all taken their turn as police recurring theme yeah. Even Daniel in Karate Kid 3. Yeah.

[00:43:53] Punch that dude on the face broke his nose or whatever. My turn. Yeah that was all that I had just short and sweet. Okay references and callbacks. Anthony and Kenny being at odds over this girl Leah is a bit like Daniel and Johnny being at odds over Ali.

[00:44:14] I guess it's a pretty common movie and show thing but fighting over a girl.

[00:44:20] Anthony and his friends are playing this flinching game actually it wasn't Anthony but it was the curly head kid and goes dude you flinched and the other guys like you always win this game we need a new game.

[00:44:30] And he goes he looks over and sees Kenny talking to Leah. Looks like everyone's doing something new. What's that from? Karate Kid 2. I don't know. God I can hear it in 3 chance. Yeah I know you can hear it.

[00:44:52] So it's a Cobra Kai rolls up to the beach on their motorcycles. Tommy says you must be a trendsetter Johnny everyone's doing something new take a right check it out. Daniel bopping down with Ali. Embarrassed I didn't get that. You were close huh.

[00:45:11] Everyone laughing at Kenny and his underwear kind of reminded me of a scene from Karate Kid. Do you know which one? Is it the one where Daniel had the spaghetti? Yeah. Is it that one he came out of the country club and get all of his weight okay.

[00:45:32] I was trying to think of when he was naked. Yeah he was naked with spaghetti all over right. He lost his pants. I took a turn. Okay Johnny's incident at Applebee's is a recurring theme and see how it was that about. I think he got in a fight.

[00:45:55] Well season one Johnny's arguing with his father Sid and I think his father just bailed him out of jail or something. And he says I think that little incident at Applebee's would have taught you to keep your hands to yourself.

[00:46:10] Then we don't hear anything more about it then in season three Johnny ends up in jail again and the officer says holy shit Applebee's guy. And then here he tells Carmen oh we should go take him what's his favorite restaurant.

[00:46:25] Oh Applebee's that's not going to work I had a little incident there one once what happened. All right you know how they make that loaded potato soup. Right. I want to hear the rest of this story. I hope by the end of cover car we get the story.

[00:46:44] We I'm sure we will right. It has to do with potatoes loaded potatoes. I'm going to say that last week it's really good. It is good. Any incidents I don't know if I want to go to Applebee's and try it now.

[00:47:07] When Terry is fighting Johnny in the old Cobra Kai dojo he knocks Johnny down and then says to crease you want to see some more which is also what Terry said to crease when Mike Barnes was beating up Daniel in the same dojo and Karate get three.

[00:47:19] You want to see some more. The title of the episode is party time which you know there's a prom there's a party at Stingray's and Stingray comes out yelling party time but also in Karate get three just before crease and Terry Silver fight me at the corporate dojo.

[00:47:39] They both bow to each other and say party time. Yeah so I think that was like the big one and then we like me I get kicks their asses. So maybe maybe this is like a signifier that creases. I mean Silver's inner crazy is finally coming out.

[00:48:00] Maybe a bit of a stretch but I feel like all the cool equipment that Terry Silver bought Cobra Kai is kind of a parallel to Rocky for where Ivan Drago had the Russian government bank rolling him and had all that expensive equipment and stuff and Rockies out in the snow running with logs and stuff.

[00:48:17] Yeah that's a good call because I thought the whole library scene was a lot like Rocky. We turned out the lights and then was hunting him down one on one one at a time just like you did in the police headquarters scene in the movie Rambo.

[00:48:33] Oh I'm sorry it was Rambo. Rambo yeah that's different. Same actor but different. Did Rocky hunt people there? I was like damn it's been a while but I don't think I remember that. Take it easy on the wine tonight. I have a little more. It's fun.

[00:48:55] It's also interesting Cobra Kai seems to have their own individual uniforms each one. Maybe I saw a couple repeats but a lot of individuality that was kind of weird but cool I guess. Yeah.

[00:49:05] A bunch of dancing Tanner Buchanan who plays Robbie used to enter and often win dance competitions as a kid so you got to show off some of the skills. Yeah that's cool.

[00:49:18] But there's a history of dancing in Karate Kid Daniel danced with Ali at the Halloween Party in his shower costume in Karate Kid. Later they Johnny and Ali danced at the country club with the whole spaghetti incident.

[00:49:30] Hey is that why that album has that name I don't know. Karate Kid 2 Kumiko was a dancer and she taught Daniel some I guess Okinawan dance moves and they also did some 50 styles dancing at a club.

[00:49:46] Because Rob Machio was a dancer he was on Dancing with the Stars and then in Karate Kid 3 Daniel took Jessica dancing where he punched the guy in the face.

[00:49:55] And I read that one of the dance moves Robbie does with Tori is an exact shot replica of a move that Daniel did with Kumiko in Karate Kid 3 but I couldn't pick it out.

[00:50:08] And also earlier I think a couple episodes ago Sam saw Robbie's license and saw his middle name as Swayze which now clearly seems like a dirty dancing reference. That's hilarious.

[00:50:20] Robbie Swayze Keen and Ralph Rob Machio started with Swayze in the Outsiders which I still haven't seen by the way. Should I watch that? Oh my gosh. You can call yourself an 80s kid. I know. I'm a Ralph Machio fan too. Yeah. And Matt Dillon.

[00:50:40] Daniel breaking Anthony's tablet kind of reminds me of something from Karate Kid. Anybody know what that is? Oh gosh. I can picture it in my mind but I can't. I can't put it into words. It's a bit of a stretch so. I can see it.

[00:51:01] I can see somebody is breaking something over me. Yeah. Broke something? Just break my radio. Oh, radio. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. I mean I don't know if that was intentional but that's what it reminded me of.

[00:51:18] We find out that Miyagi held Anthony as a baby and that Anthony kicked him in the face and he laughed and said Anthony was going to be a handful. So already a little LaRusso was kicking faces.

[00:51:31] Daniel said it was the only time he ever saw Miyagi take one to the face. But in season one we learned that Miyagi died November 15th, 2011 at 86 years old. I was trying to figure out what year we were in in the show.

[00:51:49] For some reason I thought it was 2018. The article that Dmitri was reading on Terry Silver was dated 2018 but it could have been an old article. I thought there was another instance of 2018 but then during the debate. There's the tweets. That was the tweet when they picked up.

[00:52:04] Oh yeah, the tweets. Tweets were dated 2018. Well I think maybe it was just the first two so maybe he tweeted and then didn't tweet for a couple years because the other ones just said like 10 hours ago. Yeah. Right. The first two said hello, how does this thing work?

[00:52:19] And then maybe they were just, that's your right though. That's what made me think that but now I think not because there's a production error because in the debate I think it was the new girl, Devin who said as of March 2019 further executions are blah blah blah blah.

[00:52:33] Oh yeah. I guess I'm just going to presume we're in 2021 which is when season four came out and Anthony's probably around 14 as a middle schooler right? Yeah. Yeah, 13-14. Because they toured the high school saying they were going to go there next year.

[00:52:51] So if it's 2021 and he's 14 that means when Miyagi died he was around four years old. Ballpark. Hey they don't talk about the pandemic or any current events do they? No. Not in this universe. Maybe it didn't happen in this universe.

[00:53:08] Yeah and I think a show needs to really decide whether they want to feature that or not and I'm kind of glad they don't here. It's escapism I don't want to have to write that. Yeah absolutely. Got enough shows to talk about it. Yeah.

[00:53:23] Silver tells Johnny to meet him at the corner of Magnolia and Lancashim. This is the actual location of the original Cobra Kai Dojo from Karate Kid which I loved seeing. That was cool. Yeah. Wasn't it? Yeah. Super cool. Had a lot of good memories and treated as well.

[00:53:42] I don't know if it's actually the same place but it looks the same and I always kind of wish that that's where Johnny would have set up shop at the beginning of the series. It's more stark and ominous feeling but maybe it's more realistic

[00:53:59] that it wouldn't that same spot wouldn't happen to be available and that Johnny would just find whatever place he could. But anyway I was glad to see it back and I hope they do more there in the series. Yeah.

[00:54:09] Because it has more of an evil vibe to me. It does. We learned it was a candle shop, it's now for sale and then Terry Silver saying after we win the All Valley we're going to go back to our roots right here.

[00:54:23] I got my agents looking for other locations for when we expand. That was the same plan he had in Karate Kid 3 win the All Valley then open up a chain of Cobra Kai Dojos. So it'd be interesting if that actually happens in the series. Right.

[00:54:36] Because that would be something different. And then the last one I have is Miguel goes over to Johnny's and he's all beat up and drunk and he says come inside, come inside. That's like in Karate Kid when Daniel went over to Miyagi's

[00:54:53] and he was drunk and he was kind of sadly celebrating his deceased wife's and his anniversary. I remember that. There was even some pan flute music in the Johnny scene and Miguel helping him into bed is like Daniel helping Miyagi into bed. Really? There was pan flute music.

[00:55:11] I didn't catch that. In a Johnny scene. Damn. That's nice. It's nice to tie it all together. That's cool. I love your callbacks because I'm the first of them. It's a good week. If you didn't say them I would be like,

[00:55:32] I'm not good at that kind of stuff. For Boba Fett and Mandalorian, I got to go watch YouTube videos and look at articles for Karate Kid. I barely need to do any of that. But this is the one.

[00:55:46] I had a feeling that this is one you didn't have to do a whole lot of research like you could probably recall so many of those from memory. That's why this one's your favorite podcast. It's easy. I just love it. Yeah, I love it.

[00:56:03] It's great talking about you guys and it's a fun show. Everything. Okay. Any notes? Rich? Well, I have predictions since we're coming up on the last two episodes. I thought it would be fun to make some predictions and, you know,

[00:56:17] we can all laugh at them because they're probably wrong. Here it goes. Stingray is either dead or seriously injured. Right. And silver, I think, is going to go to jail. Which leaves Kreese by himself to coach Cobra Kai at the tournament

[00:56:36] and he's going to end up falling back on his MO of Strike First, No Mercy and Dirty Fighting just like in the first couple of films. Right? Daniel has been ignoring Miyagi-Do dealing with all the other stuff. Right? Sam is a complete emotional mess now.

[00:56:54] Hawk, he's just not into it anymore. And wallowing in self pity. So I think at the tournament, Sam tries the flying tornado kick but it fails and as a result Miyagi-Do loses the tournament. That's my prediction. So Miguel, he's going to run away.

[00:57:12] He's going to seek out his biological dad. And Johnny is going to feel terrible about all this, right? So he's going to go looking for him and I think Johnny's going to miss the tournament altogether. Oh my.

[00:57:24] The Eagle Fang kids are going to have to sit it out. And I was thinking that because like up to this point we hear a lot about Cobra Kai talking Miyagi-Do talking about Cobra Kai but you don't really hear either of them talk about Eagle Fang.

[00:57:37] You know, they're kind of like the third wheel in all of this. Well, Silver did say if I beat up Johnny that will mess with the head of his champion Miguel. Yeah, that's all he's got is that one guy Miguel. Yeah.

[00:57:52] I don't think they see him as too much of a threat. But then who else? Robbie and Tori. I think Robbie and Tori come out the winners. They win the tournament. They're the all new, all Valley champs.

[00:58:08] They end up getting a little place on the outskirts of town. They're doing just fine. They have a couple of kids. They open up dealership. Become the new Daniel and Amanda. Those are my predictions. So if I get any of them right, I want everybody to know

[00:58:26] I haven't seen the last two episodes. So it would be a miracle. You know, this show you just never know. Well, what I do think Miguel's dad is going to come up sometime, whether it's next season or in a future season.

[00:58:40] I feel like they just keep dropping it. Yeah. Maybe Johnny's too. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, his got brought up too a couple times and kept seeing flashbacks and references. Turn it into a road trip. Oh, yeah. The search for our fathers. Maybe their brothers.

[00:58:57] But yeah, even like Miguel's grandmother, I was like, oh, he just looks so handsome. He looks more and more like his father every day. A lot of talk about dads. Yeah. But I was thinking as my predictions are all from things I don't want to see happen,

[00:59:11] which is kind of what this show does, right? So I'm just like, maybe this is the world they're going to go down. Everything was on track. Each dojo was at their peak performance. They were kind of undistracted there for a while.

[00:59:25] They're going to go to the tournament and tournament in best form, but after these two episodes, everything's in chaos. So that's what happens in every movie at the end. Things look the darkest before the end, you know? Yeah.

[00:59:37] Like that's kind of like the playbook of how to write a movie. You make it feel like, OK, they're starting to overcome their obstacles and then something comes in and pulls the rug out just before the end. They really have a lot to overcome.

[00:59:50] And that's, I feel like that's what's happening here. I would guess that all three dojos are going to compete. But I think of the predictions that you just gave the one I think most could be right is that Tori and Robbie could come out ahead.

[01:00:06] Yeah, wouldn't be surprised. Plus they kind of need a win. I like the idea of Tori and Robbie. You know, maybe having a romantic relationship will take some of the edge off of them because they're so violent and angry all the time.

[01:00:19] Yeah, Robbie already this season, I like him so much better. He's trying to protect Kenny and just seems more even keel. He's more level headed than he doesn't seem as angry. Or he's channeling appropriately maybe if he is, but he's not outwardly. He seems fairly level headed.

[01:00:39] Reactive, yeah. Well, it's the time. Anything else, Rich? No. That's it. Well, I don't know that I got to say my number one. So I'll just have it in my notes. And that was the Johnny and Terry Silver showdown, which I think you mentioned earlier, Rich,

[01:01:01] but I thought it was interesting to finally like see these two like go at it, you know, he's finally got a re or like, you know, they finally have a reason to kind of be at each other's throats a little bit.

[01:01:13] But I'm interesting because, you know, Johnny was not in Crotty Kid 3. So I thought it was a hell of a fight. I thought it was cool. It was hard to see Johnny get the hell beat out of him though. I didn't like that.

[01:01:23] But, you know, it was kind of cool Terry, you know, he's an experienced fighter. So, you know, I think Johnny held his own, but obviously Terry definitely had one up on him. But I like seeing both of them fight. I thought it was really great.

[01:01:36] I liked how Terry Silver actually to me, he seemed pretty dominant and to the point where he was like, woo, yeah. Yeah, we got some of that back. I mean, he took the hits like nothing. Like Johnny was wailing.

[01:01:49] He was kind of laughing and then he kicked him right in the chest and I was like, holy shit, this dude is tough. He can take a, he might be an old guy, but it was funny when Johnny's like old man,

[01:02:00] what do you say, old man can still, can punch or kick or I don't remember what he said. Kick, kick, kick. Because like, I don't know what that means. But yeah, I thought that was great. And you know, I was so angry with Chris.

[01:02:16] He totally took advantage of Terry. He's a traumatized Vietnam war veteran and he intentionally manipulated him into going back into his worst habits out of misplaced loyalty. And I was, you know, it was hard to see that. Misplace? Misplaced loyalty, I think, yeah. He saved his life.

[01:02:38] Yeah, but how long is he gonna make him pay for it for like, you know, I mean, how far do you, you know, how far do you carry that loyalty, you know, with what Chris is asking you to do? It's one thing to be a loyal friend

[01:02:50] and always be there for someone, but to kind of do the things that Chris is wanting him to do and how he's treating him. That's, you know, I don't think that's right. And I mean, that was hard to,

[01:03:00] yeah, loyal to a point, not to go into the wrong, you know, doing things wrong when you're talking about kids and stuff and hurting people. I want you to kill this man. Yeah, and hurting people. But that was hard to watch. You know, I've got a family member

[01:03:15] who's a Vietnam War veteran who suffers from PTSD. And I mean, that was a real thing. And that was, I thought, a really, really low point for Chris to, you know, use that and manipulate Terry Silver. And, you know, if you told me at the beginning

[01:03:30] of the season, you know, when we knew Terry Silver was coming back, that I would sympathize with him. I don't know that I would have believed it, but that's what makes this show really great is it fleshes out and humanizes characters

[01:03:42] that, you know, could really only be used as like a cardboard cutout. You know, if you think of Terry Silver from Cratiquette 3 and then you see him in, you know, this season and it's such a vast difference. And I love how they've really fleshed him out.

[01:03:57] And I'm like, wow, I have sympathy for Terry Silver. I never thought I'd say that. Me too. I like it, but I'm glad that he's back to being crazier and crazier. Oh, sure. I would have found it unsatisfying if he just stayed Mr. Cool the whole season. Yeah.

[01:04:14] Or at least get a little bit of it, huh? Oh, totally. I mean, yeah, I agree. I like, I mean, I don't like what Chris is doing to him, but I think it's natural that, you know, we're kind of seeing it come out of him

[01:04:26] and how he's kind of spiraling. Well, it's that difference between like caring about the character as if they were real person and what feelings come along with that versus watching a show and wanting the most dramatic, interesting stuff. Totally. You know what I mean?

[01:04:43] Like I want to see him like go nuts, but if I was his friend, I'd be like not wanting to see any of that for him. Totally. Yeah. I feel like I'm kind of teetering on both. I kind of feel like I know these guys so well.

[01:04:54] I feel so close to them. Like I feel like, no, don't mess with Terry. He's my buddy. I like him. He's a cool dude now and he's trying to live his life and, you know, be a good guy and Chris won't let him.

[01:05:07] I liked the new girl that we got, Devin Lee. I'm always happy to see an addition of new female characters on this show, especially when they can kick some ass. I was kind of jealous that she got to line all the boys up

[01:05:19] and kick them in the balls. That was a hard sign to watch. That is rough. Like that hard, you could rub your testicle and then he's like, there are wearing cups, right? Those kids aren't having kids. Yeah, ruin the McNuggets.

[01:05:37] I was kind of highly doubting that Anthony actually knew who Jackson Pollock was. Thought that was a little unbelievable, but whatever. I was kind of surprised that he was also the first person to think about hiring someone to clean the cars when he did the task rabbit.

[01:05:54] I was like, I can't believe he's the first one to think of that. I thought it was Fennie, the principal who said, we still aren't sure how they got the milk in the locker when he was showing Daniel and Amanda.

[01:06:06] I thought it was Fennie because I think this show, another thing that makes it so fun is they're so self-aware. So I know I was thinking that, I was like, how the hell did they get that milk in the locker? And then they kind of addressed like,

[01:06:19] well, we don't know how they did that. I like seeing Sam show up at Eagle Fang Training. I know she's been a bit of a pill, and Rich, you've mentioned it a couple of times, and I agree with you. She's definitely a pill this season,

[01:06:31] but I think she's smart. I think some of the methods that Johnny is doing because he does know Cobra Kai so well, and he knows Kreese. He studied under Kreese for how many years, and he's a little rough around the edges,

[01:06:43] but I think what he's trying to teach them is right. He's like, they're going to cheat, and they're going to do what they can to win, and they're going to play dirty. So you have to know what to expect.

[01:06:53] So I think that what he's trying to do is the right thing, and I like the Sam's kind of showing up for that. I thought the choice of this song was really cool there at the prom when, I don't know the name of the song.

[01:07:07] I think they mentioned like, there was a song from the weekend in there, and I'm not very up on newer songs because I'm kind of stuck in my high school days. But when Robbie and Tori were striding in, the lyrics said, pick a side,

[01:07:21] and then you see Robbie, Tori, Miguel, and all four of them in the same frame, and it said dark and light. So I was like, pick a side, dark and light. And I was like, oh, that's clever. Good choice of song and kind of how they framed it

[01:07:37] was just kind of fitting for this whole rivalry between the four of them. So yeah, that's all I got. We've covered everything else. Good Lord, how big were the birds that took a dump on Daniel's car? No kidding. In one night. There's a lot of birds around there.

[01:07:56] I think he feeds her. Feeding those birds. Because it's really convenient given his teaching methods. You know, crap all over the fence in the house, please, and the car. Yeah. I forgot to cover these, especially for you, son. He's probably got a big old bird feeder right outside

[01:08:12] the fence or something. Yeah. Soap on, crap off. I was wondering what Robbie does all day long. Because he told Kenny, hey man, I got kicked out of school and landed up in Juvie. And I'm like, what do you do all day long, dude? Does he work? Skates.

[01:08:28] Yeah. You've seen him skating. Practice his dance moves. Yep. I don't know. Does he have a job? Maybe he works kid's birthday parties. I like all the movies that Devon Lee lists for his birthday. I like all the movies that Devon Lee listed off to. Blood sport.

[01:08:48] Johnny was like, did you do your prep work or something to that effect? And she's like, yeah, Delta Forest, Billy Jack, the Octagon, Lady Dragon. He's like, those were awesome, right? All good. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. Daniel mentioned that Anthony, you know,

[01:09:07] you clean the cars, I'll help mom at the dealership. Okay, good. At least he got some lip service that he still has that job. He really hasn't had much to do with it. Johnny said Eagle Fang Karate doesn't believe in fighting dirty.

[01:09:24] I think that's like the clearest difference between Eagle Fang and Cobra Kai. Otherwise they're pretty close, but no dirty fighting. Do we know what the flying tornado kick is yet? I don't know what that is. They just brought out this season.

[01:09:40] I mean, I would imagine it's like Chun Lee in Street Fighter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A helicopter. Yeah, helicopter. That would be amazing to see Amanda do that upside down. Oh boy. There's a part of me that's like, oh, Leah,

[01:10:05] you're sending Mick signals to Anthony, but she's not really. She just likes him and wants to hang out. But then she's like, oh yeah, Kenny's going to be there too. And I'm like wondering, okay, are you kind of clueless that he likes you

[01:10:22] or are you just kind of dipping a toe in, but you want to be noncommittal and just see how it goes? Or are you just not interested in him at all? You know, it's hard to tell with girls sometimes. I don't know. Rima?

[01:10:37] You know, I honestly think she just thinks that he wants to be friends and that's what she's, you know, I don't know if that's all she's interested in, but I think she's just like, you know, hey yeah, we used to be good friends, you know, in elementary school

[01:10:51] and you know, as happens as girls and boys get older, which happened to me. I hung out with boys way more in elementary school. Like I was a tomboy, I was playing football, basketball, you know, hanging out with the boys at recess,

[01:11:03] not doing the girly things at all. And then, you know, and then as we got older, like closer to, we didn't have middle schools, junior high, but when we got to like that age, you could kind of see that separation

[01:11:13] and boys didn't really want to hang out with me anymore. So, and you know, so there was, you know, that kind of division. So, you know, when she was kind of talking about, you know, hey, we used to be really good friends

[01:11:22] and you know, we haven't hung out much, we should do that. I just think either she just doesn't really know, I don't think she's intentionally. So when she says like, yeah, yeah, we, you know, it'd be good to be friends and when he goes, yeah, friends.

[01:11:38] I think she just does it. I don't think she picked up on it. No, sarcasm, not everyone picks up on sarcasm when you're 13. No. And if she's not crushing on him herself, like she's not going to quite pick up on it.

[01:11:52] So I just really don't think she sees him as anything other. My sense is it's not that she wouldn't necessarily ever be interested. It just hasn't really occurred to her. Right, I don't think it's a card to her yet. Maybe, yeah.

[01:12:07] It hurts though as a guy to watch that. Sure. Creason, Terrier drinking Vietnamese beer kind of like that. I'm not glad that Stingray is back. Oh, me either. The showrunners philosophy of we can use anything. Nothing is wasted. Yeah, I couldn't drum up very much sympathy for Stingray.

[01:12:33] Even when Crease told him he wasn't welcome in the dojo. Well, it was pretty harsh, but I still, I still didn't really feel that bad. But I did feel a little bit bad when Terry murdered him at the end of episode eight. Yeah.

[01:12:48] I didn't feel bad about anything. Like when he's kicking his neighbor, I'm like, you're going to get sued and end up back in jail. Yeah. And when people are saying you don't have any friends your own age, I'm like, yeah, they have a point.

[01:13:02] I mean, it's kind of a problem. I don't remember if we, when Stingray was in the last season that he was in before he got in trouble, how old he's supposed to be, but clearly he's over 18 and really has zero business hanging around with all these underage kids.

[01:13:18] It's just weird and it's creepy. And I don't know. It just, it makes me very uncomfortable. And the writers know it's a thing, so they're trying to make jokes out of it, but it's like, anyone who dogs on him for that has a point. Yeah.

[01:13:31] But I thought it was, like I said, probably the most disturbing scene in the whole series. It was hard to watch. He stepped from maybe like the Vietnam stuff, but other than that, seeing him beat the crap on this kid. Wait a minute.

[01:13:44] I just realized that Terry was drunk, huh? Yeah. Yeah, he was like drinking a bourbon bottle or something. I'm so stupid, jeez. Well, I don't, do you guys think he's... He's drinking stuff, doesn't it? I mean, I think he drank wine,

[01:13:59] but he seemed to be hitting that bottle pretty hard. Yeah, he was drunk. And I don't, I mean, we know he kicked drugs, but do you guys think maybe he's back on Coke or will he get back on Coke? I hope so. See him?

[01:14:11] No, he was too down. See, I thought he was depressed. I thought he was just depressed and down, but then I realized just now it's like, oh wait, he was drunk. Yeah, he was acting pretty drunk. I thought it was cool that he loaned Robbie and Tori

[01:14:26] a nice car for prom. Like, yeah, you got a rich friend. That's awesome. Mom didn't think it was cool. No, mom didn't like it. Which I found it a little hard to believe given what we've seen with her and the man that she hangs out with.

[01:14:39] But then again, she's trying to go on the straight and narrow, yeah, and be more, maybe more, lead a more respectable life. I don't know. I like her point too that if there's one kind of person she knows it's a wealthy guy who wants something.

[01:14:52] I mean, I think she has a point. I'm sure she was, you know, I think she had many years where she was drinking. She wants a change, yeah. Yeah. Like, I loved seeing the kids have a good time

[01:15:05] at the dance and seeing Tori and Robbie fall for each other and they're slow dancing and Tori says, are they still watching? And Robbie goes, I don't care. And she goes, me neither. And then at the end when they're making out

[01:15:16] the cool car next to the carnival ride with the lights and the nice music and she goes, I guess we should get our money's worth. It was all just very sweet. And it's nice that this show can make us feel that way about characters who at one point

[01:15:27] we may not have liked as much. Yeah, I felt happy for them. It's good to see them at least finding some sort of attraction. I don't want to say love. Joy. Yeah, joy. There you go. Some joy in their miserable for shit lives.

[01:15:45] Yeah, I agree because they've had some really hard lives. And I know Robbie's done bad things and Tori still does bad things. But I identify with her to a point and yeah, it's kind of nice to see them have a bright spot there at the dance.

[01:16:04] John just had a tough life too. It didn't really occur to me until this episode but his father left, his stepfather was a dick and then he had crease. Nice father figure. And now he doesn't want to make those same mistakes.

[01:16:19] He feels like he kind of did with Robbie. He's divorced. His son hates him. Hates him. That's a good word. I got a few more. I forget why Yasmin fell for Dmitri. His Pac-Man suit, man. What the hell's with the last season?

[01:16:39] She flew all the way in from Australia just to see him. What's that guy packing? Because we saw her fall for him last season but I can't remember what it was about or maybe it was season two, I can't remember.

[01:16:48] I think it's fun but I don't really buy it. It's pretty ridiculous. And it just adds to Hock's depression too. Every time we see him he's like having there to watch that. I know. I don't know. At one point you see Hock and then the camera pans over

[01:17:09] and she's on top of him practically going for it. He's like, I'm sorry did you say something dude? Oh man. I don't know. I can see it. I know that they're personally speaking, I think I've mostly been attracted to a certain type

[01:17:31] most of my life but then you think that I've never been attracted to that kind of guy or whatever, different type. But then something changes or you see something a little bit different your perspective changes or whatever. A binary brother comes along. And you're just like wow,

[01:17:48] if only I'd known sooner or something. I can kind of see that. There's the whole revenge of the nerds thing too. The pretty girl ends up with one of the nerds at the end, it happens. That's true. Nerds and geeks are in right now. That's a fictitious movie.

[01:18:07] So is Covert Kai. Exactly. Yeah, I remember in this universe there's no police and anybody can love anybody. Well, I'm happy for Demetri. And I'm glad to see like Yasmin and Moon. I wish they used to have bigger parts but they were kind of the bad guys

[01:18:26] so now they're just like cool girls, that's cool. Johnny, as we mentioned, makes comments about Terry's age, ancient pieces of shit. But Thomasian Griffith is only three years older than William Zabka and Raph Macho is four years older than William Zabka.

[01:18:44] Dude just drink it from the fountain of youth, I swear. Then the last thing I had is I can't remember if I missed something or what but you know that scroll that Anthony pulls out? Yeah. And Daniel says that's a technique I hope none of us

[01:19:02] will ever need to use. Is that new? Isn't that what he got from Chosen? Yeah, it makes your limbs go numb. Like he did on Johnny. Yeah, what he did to Johnny the whole... Really? Yeah, that was the move where you do your thing

[01:19:17] and then the guy can't move, your opponent can't move. Okay, because the way that it was shown here it sounded like it was something because he said that's a technique I hope none of us will ever need to use and he just used it.

[01:19:30] You guys were talking about a couple episodes ago so I kind of think maybe it's a different one. It might be something different, I don't know but I think you got it from Chosen. Maybe it's time for a Karate Kid 2 revisit. Yeah. Alright, anything else? About these two?

[01:19:51] Nope. Nope, bring on the final two. Yeah. Yay! Let's go! Alright. Yep, bye. We'll take a little break. We have some listener feedback. Do you have news? I have one quick thing. Okay, we'll be right back. We'll return after these messages. Alright, we are back.

[01:20:14] It's time for the news. Alright, just a quick small item this week and this is from Deadline. So Martin Cove, who we all know as Sensei John Crease is hosting his own Cobra Kai podcast. Competition! I know, I was like what? That's it, we quit.

[01:20:37] Yep, hang it up, we're done. So he has teamed up with LiveOne, owned Audio Platform Podcast One to launch Cobra Cove's. The series which launches on, it's already launched as of today's date, on January 20th. So we'll see Martin Cove, who's of course

[01:20:54] starred in Criedy Kid as well as Cobra Kai. He will host the podcast with his kids, fraternal twins Jesse and Rachel. They will recap episodes of Cobra Kai. Cool. I wonder if he's going to talk about season one when he wasn't in it? I don't know, maybe.

[01:21:14] Probably about how he should have been in it. I should have been there. This season wasn't much better. Yeah, so he's going to share stories from the original trilogy of movies as well as give insight into their own family. They'll also feature a range of guests

[01:21:30] including actors, athletes, musicians, psychology experts as they discuss Cobra Kai, Hollywood, pop culture, spirituality, mental health and bullying. So... Game over man, game over! I thought that was kind of cool. And that's all that I have for this week. I mean, there... I don't know.

[01:21:52] There's already a few to several other Cobra Kai podcasts and there's at least one maybe more that are really hardcore into it. And one of the podcasts, I think it's Cobra Kai Companion has interviewed every single actor on the show.

[01:22:10] All of the main ones and the bit ones. Oh hell, cool. Yeah, and they do it. I think they do it all year long. They're kind of like I am with Walkie-Dud, you know? Just really get into it. So more power to him.

[01:22:24] I haven't even listened to them but I kind of want to now. But anyway, we have our fun in our little corner over here. I'm having a good time. I'm digging out with my fellas. Make it last five weeks. That's what I'm talking about.

[01:22:41] I was thinking about it. I don't know if anybody would be interested in this. But from the time that we watched the first two episodes to tonight when we're going to get to watch the last two is actually only a three and a half week. Oh right, yeah.

[01:22:56] Difference between to watch 10. Not too bad. That's not too bad. All right. So we didn't get any comments this week. Rima and Rich were thinking a lot of you guys all watched it and you're like, you're still talking about that show.

[01:23:13] Hopefully next week when we talk about the last two we'll get more but we did get a couple calls. So here's Steve Brown. Oh, House Park Casca. This is Steve and this is for Cobra Kai. Episode seven and eight getting close to the end.

[01:23:26] Anthony sounds like he's got some game in him. You know, he's going to go into his mom's bedroom and see something that tells him Johnny was there. That little look from Chris when Terry Silver says we all have a weakness. Another blood sport reference.

[01:23:40] And I love the Cynthia Rothrock reference. That's great. All that coming that Kenny was going to take him down when he acted like he was hurt. Oh, Kenny's got some skills. Oh, they are going to find out the truth now about Anthony.

[01:23:52] Finally, somebody asked my question about the milk. Somewhere in there. He said minefield title of the episode Mike drop. And now on to episode eight. The return of what's this guy's name? The security guard from the school. There it is. Another mention of Miguel's father.

[01:24:06] We've got to find out who this guy is this season. Right. I guess I forgot about Demetri having a girl. That's cool. Actually see what the flying tornado kick was, right? So I'm sure it's going to come in play later.

[01:24:17] I'm going to say party time together like they did in Karate Kid 3. I'm not sure I get what they're doing with Terry Silver's character here. I know you guys have talked about it before. He's kind of all over the place.

[01:24:26] In one second he's, he's in and now he's beaten up Johnny and having a fight with. Okay. Stingray said the title of the episode Mike drop. And I believe that would be theft and assault stingray on your neighbor. Oh, Sam was supposed to wait for the tournament.

[01:24:41] Johnny singing a song from Top Gun playing with the boys. Terry's getting drunk. He's complaining about crease. We're going to get it. We're going to get it. The big time Terry Silver. Oh, I don't know if I wanted it that bad.

[01:24:56] I mean, it's still kind of a jerk but he didn't need that. All right. Do you guys talk about this one? It's cool how I felt like, oh yeah. Oh man. Oh, that was harsh. Murder him? It's over the top.

[01:25:11] He may not be a teenager but he's still seems like a kid. Still a good baby. And here is Mike Caruso. Hey guys, it's Mike again from Cincinnati and man this week was really hard to figure out exactly what I wanted to say

[01:25:31] but I guess I have a story. I had to drop my girlfriend off for an hour long appointment, a weekly hour long appointment on Wednesday night and I decided that would be when I would watch the eighth episode of the season.

[01:25:45] So I dropped her off and then I went to a bar right down the street, popped in my wireless headphones and sat at the bar with a drink and proceeded to watch this episode and it's really emotional episode.

[01:26:00] I found myself reacting and then kind of looking around my shoulder to see who was there or to see if anybody was watching me, particularly when Johnny mistakenly drunkenly called Miguel Robbie. That one really got me in the hard strings

[01:26:19] and I just had to have been a funny sight, anybody watching me a bartender or something. So I guess I just will tell you that story instead of discuss the episode. So anyway, I can't wait to hear what you guys have to say about it and go Bengals.

[01:26:36] Don't worry Mike, I think... Ballin' at the mall. I think anyone who's seen that episode would not judge you at all for if you got a little emotional. Yeah, next time just if you see anyone looking at you just go Cobra Kai and they'll be like alright.

[01:26:49] Oh yeah okay okay gotcha dude, gotcha dude. Bar tenders like you alright buddy? Johnny said I love you Robbie. Alright pal, you're cut off. You had enough. Alright that is it. That's our show. Thanks for listening everybody. Yeah, if you want to write in for the finale

[01:27:25] the last two episodes or record a message and send it in that would be awesome. Or just you know write in and tell us your thoughts about the whole series, the season or you know our coverage whatever you want to talk about for Cobra Kai

[01:27:38] because we're not going to be talking about Cobra Kai for a while after this. Any of that you can email us at talk at podcastica.com We also put up a post for each week's episode on our Facebook page at facebook.com.

[01:27:49] And be sure to check out the other great podcasts at podcastica.com Do we know when season five is coming out? Nope, no announce me yet. Nothing? Nope, they wrapped the filming but no word on when they would release it. They always wait. Netflix waits.

[01:28:09] I would guess next December. Yeah, one minute later. I was sad. But we've never seen that kind of hurry to release anything anymore do they? No. Next episode will be Cobra Kai season four episodes nine and ten the fall and the rise which maybe is it the fall?

[01:28:30] Who would fall maybe somebody's going to fall and then someone's going to rise. That's my prediction. They're all going to fall. They're all going to rise. I don't know. I'm excited to find out though. I just I know I hope I hope Terry Silver sticks her out.

[01:28:46] Yeah, I want him to be in next season too. Yeah, I don't want him to go away at all. And oh here's my prediction. Mike Barnes we're going to see him in episode 10 shows up with the last minute. Yeah and wins the tournament. I'm with one punch.

[01:29:05] I don't know. I don't think we're going to see Mike Barnes yet. I think we're going to see him in season five. All right. How many do you want to bet a drink? Yeah. Just for fun? Yeah. I'll drink to that. I like Long Island ice cheese. Okay.

[01:29:20] Okay. Oh, I do too. All right. That is our show. Thanks for listening. It's party time.