23: "The Fall" & "The Rise" (S4E9&10)

[00:00:00] Cobra Kai Cast, Podcastica Cobra Kai Season 4 episodes 9 and 10 The Fall and The Rise Yeah, sweet. We have a special guest with us this week. It's my friend, Dan, who you might remember, guested with us last season. He spent many years studying Take One Dose since a young age,

[00:01:18] and he's been a friend of mine in Richard since like junior high. Hey, Dan. Hey, everybody. Yay. Welcome. Long time ago. Are you still digging Cobra Kai as much as always or not? Well, it's been I mean the first season was my favorite, I think,

[00:01:38] but this last season was right. It was a close, close second. It was good. I liked it a lot. I went on Reddit just to see how people were ranking the seasons and there's no consensus, you know, which I think it kind of shows that

[00:01:55] it's been pretty good the whole time. Yeah. So we can't decide. For me, I would say season one first, then season three just because I love that stuff when Daniel went to Okinawa, then season four, which we just had. But I still think was really good.

[00:02:09] And then season two for me is a clear dip, but still good. Oh, yeah. I tend to agree with you because every time I reminisce about the show, I end up on season three when he was in Japan. Yeah. It's usually where I end up at.

[00:02:26] But this season with Terry Silver was pretty awesome. Yeah, it really brings a lot. OK, before we get into talking about the episode, I thought it would be fun to go over Richard's predictions from last week. Oh, yeah. You had some good ones. Is that right?

[00:02:44] Well, you're on the right track with some of them. So you said Terry Silver goes to jail, leaving Kreese to run Cobra Kai. I mean the opposite, but I didn't think anyone was going to jail.

[00:02:58] Yeah, well, you can't do that to another guy and not go to jail. I'm real. The guy was in a coma, right? Yeah, you said Sam tries the tornado kick and fails as a result. Miyagi loses. Well, she did the tornado kick and succeeded.

[00:03:18] Wait, no, did somebody else do the tornado kick? No, she didn't. She did and she succeeded. Yes, Sam, but she's still lost because Terry Silver cheated. Yeah, so that was the part. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:03:29] So she did lose and I kind of thought Cobra Kai was going to win and Terry Silver was finally going to get to open all his dojos. Yeah, I had a feeling he was going to. Yeah, you said Miguel will run away and seek out his biological father

[00:03:42] and Johnny will feel bad and go looking for him. And so he'll miss the tournament and Eagle Fang the Eagle Fang kids will have to sit it out. Well, Miguel went to look for his father partly.

[00:03:51] He ran away, but yeah, Johnny is a little late running after him. And yeah, I just figured after all this build up that all the kids were going to fight, but Miguel left halfway. So it's not too far off.

[00:04:06] You said Robbie and Tory would win the tournament, move in together, have babies and live happily ever after. One of them will. Yeah, Tory won. But yeah, Tory won. Eli beat Robbie so no babies. That was unexpected. I thought Eli just wasn't into it this year.

[00:04:26] I know, but he just needed to get his groove back. He just needed to get get a smooch from Moon. Let's see. That's yeah, that was it. And then but Rima had a couple. She said Johnny was Crease's weakness and that was a big point

[00:04:45] in the episode key point was right on point. And you also said that Terry could only be loyal to Crease for so long. And that was a big point too. Like I was thinking, did Rima watch this ahead of time? But I know you wouldn't do that.

[00:05:00] No, I wanted to. It's good at predicting sometimes. And you were also right that there would be no Mike Barnes this season. But I think when Terry said, I'm sure I can dig up an old friend of two to help out with Cobra Kai while you deal

[00:05:12] with your legal problems. He all right. Barnes. I think yeah, yeah, I didn't think we'd get him this season, but I thought if they're going to bring him back, it's going to be next. Yeah, you remember who that is, Dan? It's from CratiKid 3. Yeah. Yeah, I do.

[00:05:25] The bad boy. Yeah. Boy, I'd be like full circle. Yep. Showing up with possibly the last season. The writers are saying they have more story to tell after this, but I guess we'll see. Anyways, all right, that was fun. Let's get into the episode.

[00:05:43] It's Cobra Kai season four, episode nine and ten, the fall and the rise in general, Dan, without really getting into it. Did you like these episodes? Yes, they were my two favorites except for the first year of the season. Season yeah, yeah, like the first two like they're

[00:06:03] about the same as all four were totally awesome. Yeah, I like those four and the one where Johnny and Daniel had a tournament style rematch. That was awesome too. What about you, Rima? I loved it. These last two episodes were kind of like one episode split into two.

[00:06:24] It's like a movie almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. I like that. So yeah, it was super exciting. I'm all about the action. I love seeing all the fighting and the choreography that goes into it. I think all of these young actors are so talented

[00:06:41] and I think some of them have really come a long way. I thought the tournament, it's always exciting, the shrimp, they really went over the top. I'm like, man, our karate tournaments really like that. They got the lights and the announcer who's like a big ring

[00:06:56] announcer and I'm like, you know, it fits Kourakai. Yeah, yeah right? Yeah, exactly. I thought now I get it's Kourakai, it's over the top and it's super fun but I'm like, is that like a real karate? I've been to some Taekwondo competitions but they

[00:07:12] weren't quite like so theatrical. Well, Niko had tournaments. It was more because maybe just because he's a kid but they would do exhibitions of forms and sometimes the older kids would have weapons, you know? So it was more like the opening. They wouldn't actually fight for points

[00:07:30] but before that they would have like a bunch of kids wearing like a Chinese dragon, you know, like all throughout like a line of kids with a big dragon and then they would have these like gongs bang gong gong

[00:07:43] gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong like that, you know? Oh, that would be fun to watch. No like carry underwear or anything. In karate matches where they usually have more than one match going on at one time, right? Yeah.

[00:07:55] Do they have like a center stage for like the main matches or is it just like all over the place? I don't know but I've only met a few tournaments and but none of them had like a center stage.

[00:08:08] They would have, they'd make a center stage for like performances. When they were doing fights it was just a bunch of fights everywhere. Cool. Yeah, I mean, I think the idea of this is, it's a, I don't know, what do you call that kind of tournament

[00:08:23] where they narrow it down to the final two, you know? Double elimination. Yeah. So they would have a bunch going on until the end and then everybody would be focused on the main fight at the end. Yeah. I thought it was great.

[00:08:36] A lot of action, a lot of kind of wrapping up some storylines and opening up new ones for the next season. I thought they left it in a really great spot. So I loved it. I thought it was pretty cool how you saw so much fighting

[00:08:51] and more probably than in any couple of episodes we've ever seen and the longest time they've spent on a tournament including all the movies in season one where they had a tournament and yeah, to really showcase how far these kids have come

[00:09:06] and not all the fighting was part of the story really necessarily or not in a big way anyway. But I still thought it was really fun to watch and just because, yeah, I'm just impressed to see how much skill these kids have and I kind of feel like

[00:09:21] I care about them because I've watched them on the show and everything but it was almost like feeling more towards the actors like, good job Robbie actor you did a flip, you know? Yeah. Very athletic. But even aside from the fighting I just thought

[00:09:36] it was so well done they're juggling all these characters and all their inner struggles and making little story out of here and there and it was amazing. I thought it was incredible a couple of episodes. What are you Rich?

[00:09:49] It was pretty rad man to use an 80s word. I'm happy too in the end that these two episodes spent so much time at the tournament with the, you know, the wonderfully choreographed fighting. It was really well done. I was into it, you know?

[00:10:05] I was like who's gonna win? Who's gonna lose? It really does matter. Yeah. And at first I was a little taken aback at the beginning although because you know it's all about, I was like hey wait a minute. What we're just magically at the tournament.

[00:10:17] What about all the shit that happened in episode 8? You know they spoon feed you enough little by little bit so that I could stay with it and I was in the moment and of course the bomb shells at the end really brought it all together.

[00:10:30] That twist at the end was incredible. It's so nice. Yeah. Yeah. Okay let's get into our points. What's your first one Dan? I think, well the two fights at the end were just, were totally awesome. Like Rich mentioned with the choreography and just

[00:10:54] you know it was just totally exciting. It was like watching a sports event and there was a really close match and it was just I was on the edge of my seat and then also the investment in the characters and the music in the two fights.

[00:11:11] It was really cool. The lights and the camera started filming things more dramatically, more overhead shots or dramatic angles and even more like slow-mo. They just really amped up the tension really well. Yeah and they're just like Like when Sam, she got a point or something

[00:11:36] and it was too too I think and she had her fighting stance and then she like copped her leg and I went They had great form I thought. Sam and Tori their fight was badass. Yeah I know. Yes. They weren't pulling punches.

[00:11:56] I was I thought it was really cool. They had the girl fight be the last fight too. Oh yeah, I love that that that was the determining you know fight. Mm-hmm. It's the main event. Who won? Yeah. It was the high drama. Okay, Reemum what about you?

[00:12:13] Well talking about Sam I like how she was merging the fighting styles kind of taking what she had known from Miyagi-Do and she grew up on that right because Daniel you know his that's her dad and he's been coaching her since she was little

[00:12:30] but I love that she was also able to take a lot of what Johnny had taught her as well and I really loved when Johnny was cheering her on too. You know even though she's you know not affiliated with Eagle Fang

[00:12:43] you know he still like her sensei too so I love that he was also cheering her on but it really irritated me though that when Daniel got mad at Sam and saying that she wasn't like doing it the right way and I was really irritated with Daniel

[00:12:57] for a little bit during that. I think it made up for it later but in that moment I was really irritated I was like dude she's not cheating she's not taking cheap shots you know. She's like dude come on. Yeah and then it's like he was thinking that

[00:13:11] only his way was the right way and I'm glad that they changed it there at the end where he kind of realized you know that he saw that you know Miyagi and remember that you know Mr. Miyagi wanted him to find his own way

[00:13:24] and it was okay to not be so loyal to Mr. Miyagi's teachings and you know Daniel he's very good and he's a good teacher but his weakness I think is his absolute adherence to only Miyagi's teachings you know he lacks that willingness to kind of look outside

[00:13:42] of himself and you know Mr. Miyagi he was a wise man and I think wiser than any of the characters in Cobra Kai and if Mr. Miyagi was involved everything would have been resolved in season one and we wouldn't show but and that's the point right

[00:13:58] but so I really liked those scenes with Sam and I liked she really irritated me I was with you Rich I know that you you have not loved Sam a lot this season and I've you know she was irritating me a lot too

[00:14:09] but I think that she kind of grew here and I like how she was able to kind of merge that and I think getting beaten by Tori definitely humbled her a little bit the kid I mean all the kids have to do

[00:14:20] because they have all gone through phases of being kind of the bully and then the nice kid and I was even watching a scene for I was watching that scene when they were all out in the woods in I think season two

[00:14:31] it was Johnny and Chris had two teams of Cobra Kai trying to get the bandanas off the other ones and Miguel at that point was getting more aggressive so he's kind of talking like this and beating the shit out of people and I'm like yeah

[00:14:43] you just have to like Hawk he was such an asshole at some point just brutally beating people and all they have to do is just soften up and be a little and like Sam gives her dad a hug and you're like oh I like her again I did

[00:14:58] I felt that way too a little bit yeah one of my favorite moments in the fight when she when it all came together for her and then she got to do her own thing and that was legal speaking of which my point is real similar to to Rima

[00:15:17] you know I got a little bit of a lump in my throat when Daniel finally walked up to Johnny and I was like oh what's going on it kind of took me by surprise the second time and he admits to needing Johnny's help right there

[00:15:28] and I was like oh my gosh you know a little a little tear and then Johnny's apologizes back and no apologize is back exactly right and of course that is what Sam wanted all along so that she she felt grateful and empowered that her two senseis

[00:15:42] were now working together and it was a it was heartwarming to see I think Daniel Daniel saying I just want you to be you that's what did it that's all she needed to hear all this whole time you know yeah yeah she just wanted to to

[00:15:57] like find herself and be her own not having tried to dictate how she yeah like this is the only way when it's like well you know your way is not the only way and I think Johnny kind of pushed that in her

[00:16:09] you know when he was getting the kids to which was completely irresponsible but to like jump the roof but you know like are you just always going to do what your mommy and daddy tell you to do you know kind of pushing her to find her own way

[00:16:21] and I really like that I think Sam you know it was kind of learning who she is and you know kind of finding her own way a little bit not just being dictated by what her parents

[00:16:33] you know and it wasn't that she was doing anything wrong either it's like you know she was being bad or whatever but yeah it was really great I love that whole fight scene though with her and Tori it was just absolutely I love you know watching the girls

[00:16:46] you know being empowered like that and and being complete bad asses so totally fun I also think though it was a bit of a a little bit of Daniel selling out to win the tournament too though because he kind of waited till the last match

[00:17:00] it was down to the last event Yagi-do needs to win Daniel's like alright I know I've said several times not to use Cobra Kai alright forget about all that just go out and kick her ass whatever it takes I'm gonna lose my dough Joe

[00:17:16] nothing really mattered anyways apparently he has no intention of keeping his end of the bargain either as you say AYGO I kind of I knew he wasn't going to I didn't know if he'd be allowed in this episode but I knew

[00:17:28] and how they can make another season if he if he dies he's like okay I'm done I figured they'd find some clever way for him to but he's just like oh no I'm not gonna keep that agreement straight up yeah sorry Mr. Miyagi I'm still gonna teach

[00:17:42] I think if they had they did say they were gonna keep it then it would be kind of a bummer of a feeling to be left on and wait a year for Cobra Kai to come back

[00:17:53] just thinking okay I guess Johnny and Daniel aren't gonna have dojos anymore so I think that's probably why they did it so you know there was a little fighting spirit left at the end there to alright cool let's see what they do but it made me feel like

[00:18:04] Daniel that's totally no integrity yeah I liked it because I because it because to me it was totally obvious that they were gonna they were not gonna accept the deal and they're in it so I like that they just that they just came out with it

[00:18:20] yeah I was wondering if they're gonna put a spin on it like he was with chosen at the end right maybe maybe he's gonna go back to Japan and do it there and then come back here the states and kick everyone's ass I don't know

[00:18:33] to me I didn't like it because it makes the whole season the whole season was hanging on that like oh god there's mistakes here if we don't win this we're not gonna have our dojos they don't win I will just have our dojos anyway yeah

[00:18:45] we'll just call it something else Miyagi Fang okay my point is pretty long but I took a lot of notes and I get them all in here it's inner battles because Daniel says the biggest battle is always the one within and I think

[00:19:08] each character has their own in a battle going on Daniel his flaw as you guys have kind of touched on his self righteousness thinks he's better than Eagle Fang and also Cobra Kai and he was the hero in karate kid where everything was black and white

[00:19:24] at least to me it was I never thought Johnny was the hero and he still sees it that way it's black and white and he's the righteous hero and in this tournament he's struggling with letting go of the need to be righteous and allowing for other

[00:19:36] possibilities and it was ridiculous for him to say to Sam you didn't win the right way when she won the tournament I mean like it's like bullshit but I'm trying to empathize with Daniel like where's that coming from and I think it comes from

[00:19:50] just how strongly it affected him when Cobra Kai was repeatedly beating the shit out of him back in high school. Mm hmm. You know he confronts Johnny about teaching Sam saying she got to the final you should be thanking me and he goes

[00:20:04] for turning Sam into someone who can't control her anger and I think he just really impacted him that these guys beat him practically to death a couple of times pushed his bike off the side of the hill you know just really dangerous

[00:20:18] stuff and that's a traumatic experience that he had and he remembers Miyagi saying no such thing as a bad student only bad teacher he really took that to heart too. So he's like if you get a bad teacher you can end up with

[00:20:30] kids who do this kind of stuff to other kids that's just ingrained in his mind for him Miyagi's way is for good innocent people Cobra Kai is for aggressive bullies. So that makes me sympathize with them a little bit more

[00:20:43] but he still got that black and white thinking he's mad at Robbie for teaching Cobra Kai all his secrets. I'm on Robbie's side with that one. I mean for one thing if Daniel's mad at Cobra Kai for their style karate thinks kids are better off

[00:20:56] learning his style and he should be glad they're learning his style if he really cares about the kids and also it's a freaking turn of it. You should say what do you expect? Yeah you're right and also everyone learns how to block

[00:21:08] it's not that special but you kind of have to suspend disbelief about that point is whether it's better to focus on defense and balance versus aggression. But I think that too is Daniel stuck in black and white thinking he wants the bad guys to fight

[00:21:20] like bad guys and the good guys to fight like good guys so he can prove that his way is better. But I thought it was great by the end of it. He realizes there's not just one way to do things and there's some merit to what Johnny teaches

[00:21:33] and then he should let Sam be yourself and find her own way rather than force her to do what he thinks is right. By the way that's a challenge for any parent. I have you know I catch myself yelling at my

[00:21:46] kids and I'm like wait I got to lift them find their own way sometimes. But anyway saying I want you to be used that hug moment was so great and it's hard for her to have a father who thinks they always know best and

[00:22:00] disregard anything you say so I think that's why it was such a welcome thing for her to hear. And then she said nothing's working in what style should I use and he goes use everything you've learned from me and since a Lawrence all of it.

[00:22:11] So that's just a man she becomes a manifestation of the lesson that he's learned and that she learned a while back by the way that you know you can open yourself up to other ways of thinking and doing things and it's not all black and white.

[00:22:22] In fact it's really interesting because one of the great things about the series Cobra Kai is it brings all of this gray area nests to the black and white story of karate kid you know everybody's more nuanced and has flaws and good

[00:22:37] things and but Daniel is still stuck in the in the movie where it is black and white and he needs to be brought into the ethos of Cobra Kai the show where it's more nuanced and you can you it's okay to like some things

[00:22:52] that Johnny do and team up with him and everything and so yeah that that moment with them just I mean I was going to though I mean he's teaming up with chosen now he's gonna double down on the Agido man well as long as the

[00:23:09] show goes on people have to revert back to their worst selves or else if they're just you know what I mean that's what I kind of don't like about keeping it going forever because characters need arcs and then they're supposed to be like okay I finally arrived

[00:23:23] at this place of peace the show is over exactly but anyway no that's enough about Daniel so crease there's a lot of focus on Johnny's resentment of having been made to fight dirty and it was really interesting where crease is like I wanted you to be

[00:23:39] a champion that's why you had two points down you were about to lose and I knew you would what do you say like go down a dark hole or spin out on this or whatever and I was right yeah spiral and but I think he realized

[00:23:56] actually what made Johnny go down the spiral was when I beat the shit out of him in the parking lot and also someone who's like a father figured to you beat you up in the parking lot and call you a loser

[00:24:09] and but also that he made him fight dirty because then you know when Terry Silver is telling Tori to fight dirty and he's like just let her do what she wants. He's this is him trying to turn over a new leaf and develop a heart and Martin Cove

[00:24:25] said that was his favorite part. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, he wants crease to be a nicer person. What do you guys think about that? Do you want him to be a nice person? I mean if we have Terry Silver coming back

[00:24:39] and we thought you know he was going to be because he started out like he was all zen and seemed like in a good place and then crease kind of brought it all back and now we've got crease who is the baddie and

[00:24:50] you know now kind of having a heart. It's like oh kind of switch and rolls. I mean why not? It'd be a nice change of pace to see crease be a good guy not manipulating everyone every time we turn around. You're a heart. Might just be in jail.

[00:25:05] 10 man. And then with Johnny and I kind of put Johnny and Miguel together because they're pretty closely tied with their inner struggles. It's kind of the upside to the coin or something where Johnny fucked up as he didn't realize Miguel was doubting that Johnny really cared about him.

[00:25:23] Yeah. And Miguel thinks he's just a tool for Johnny to make himself feel better like Robbie said and also just to try and prove that his dojo can make it and that his style is better and all that. So Miguel feels like he's being used

[00:25:39] I think and unseen and not cared about and it's that's kind of interesting because that's kind of close to what Johnny felt like crease did to him. Exactly. Yeah. And then with Robbie and Johnny too like Robbie his inner struggle is about he had all this anger inside

[00:25:57] of him and he was trying to take Kenny under his wing but he now says it's like looking in a mirror and that Kenny's just Cobra Kai made it worse and Kenny's just a total monster now and so it's similar like I like

[00:26:10] that was sort of good for Robbie. I understand why Robbie came back to Johnny and was more open to him because he kind of had a little experience of being a parent himself and that's what happens when you are a parent. You become more sympathetic towards

[00:26:25] your own parents. Yeah. Oh, that was a prediction that I got right to about Kenny. I'm saying that Kenny is his vehicle for Robbie to discover. Yeah. Cobra Kai's not probably I thought about you having said that yeah and I think they will

[00:26:38] still give Kenny you know his own little story and everything but I think you're right. He's a lot of people. Especially for this episode it was more about Robbie what happened with Kenny said more about Robbie than anything else but yeah he looks so evil when

[00:26:48] he had that grin at the end. Like it reminds me of Hock how Hock could be so brutal and then now he's kind of cool. Kenny is even more extreme because when he first came on he seemed so great. Such a cool little kid

[00:27:04] and now he seems like a horror movie villain. Yeah. Absolute power corrupts absolutely but Johnny anyway Johnny so Johnny realizes that he didn't he didn't do the right thing with Miguel that he didn't make him feel cared about but it's too I thought that was

[00:27:23] the first thing they were going to address was you know when Johnny was you know piss your pants drunk and Miguel put him to bed and then you know he says I love you Robbie. That was such a powerful moment Miguel was teared up.

[00:27:37] I thought that was like going to be the first thing they addressed but then they kind of you know they showed give you a hint that Miguel's been sitting on it for a while and Johnny is oblivious because he probably doesn't remember any of it so I

[00:27:47] thought okay. I mean I think that was because Miguel he said to Miguel I think I understand what do you say like what what's troubling you or something. Yeah. And Miguel's like oh really expecting him to say that and he goes yeah your thing

[00:28:02] was saying that so I think the fact that that he didn't address it was kind of why Miguel left at the end because Johnny was clueless you know yeah but it was I still think it was pretty dumb when Johnny's like because Miguel's getting ready to go

[00:28:18] fight Eli and Johnny's like he may be your friend but if you want to win this thing you're going to have to beat him and melt. Gales like who's cider you want him like shut up it's a tournament. Yeah. How to beat him. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:28] I felt the same way. I was like what do you what do you expect? What's everyone's expectations at this tournament Jesus. Yeah it gets a little bit forced sometimes. Eli I thought you know his inner struggle is that he lost his confidence after what Robbie and

[00:28:40] Tori did with him and I'm glad he missed that board. I think that was the first mess up that we saw and then penis breath like threw a staff at somebody or something. Any boughs and runs off the stage really quick but it gave Eli respect somewhere to

[00:28:57] come back from and I was glad he won it was unexpected but it was freaking cool. Totally any beat Robbie Robbie was that as a say yeah. You're Robbie. That's I mean he was triggered you know he was just trying to kick some ass the shirts came off

[00:29:11] and everything. He got I mean Moon gave him a kiss and then he went and beat the shit out of Kyler like three points in a row. Got serious. Oh that was good. Dude deserved it and the last one is and it was a little bit

[00:29:26] Deus Ex Machina I think with Moon being like I want to be a girlfriend again but cock was she left him because he was an asshole and now he's humble so nice guy. Yeah hopefully must be pretty hard to do karate with a big old hard on huh.

[00:29:44] And then last is Tori I really think there wasn't a lot of focus on her inner struggle but didn't notice when she was looking at that trophy at the end and just so beaming with pride and I remembered that she told Robby if I could just win this

[00:29:59] one time I could look at that trophy and know I was best at something you know a couple episodes ago so she's all riding high on that and then finds out she didn't actually win and it was a big cheat. Yeah damn she can never win

[00:30:13] build them up tear them down so that's inner battles Dan you got another one and feel free to just touch on anything I've already talked about too. I want to say something about what you were saying with the with Robby I mean Miguel and Johnny

[00:30:33] like you were saying how they they got a little too I don't know like over attached or just kind of put too much into the relationship or something and I think it was because of their dad issues both of them you know what I mean like they're both

[00:30:49] you know Johnny was trying to make up for the fact that he wasn't a good father to Robbie and and Miguel was trying to find his father kind of and so they they kind of put too much into the relationship to you know I mean there was something

[00:31:04] there's something that ever they have a really strong bond but they were kind of looking for an empty space in them both in each other that they weren't going to find I mean I don't I don't really think they put too much into it but I think that

[00:31:17] both of them and probably more Miguel looks at Johnny and says he's got this hole to fill so am I just I could be anyone you know does he really care about me and maybe Johnny I don't think Johnny looks at Miguel and thinks that too

[00:31:31] like oh he's missing a father I don't think he really thinks about it because Johnny but but I think Johnny actually does care about Miguel in particular even though it is it is true what Miguel saying that Johnny probably wants to just make up for

[00:31:46] what happened with Robbie and he sees Miguel as a way to do that but I also think he wouldn't do it if he didn't really care about Miguel so I think it's great I think I mean he's also involved with Carmen yeah which I'm sure is going to

[00:31:58] influence on him too you know like oh yeah well gotta make my girlfriend happy yeah I'd all like and then if but then the question like in the real world if you're dating someone sometimes people don't want you to meet their kids for a while because what if

[00:32:11] it doesn't work out so that's where it could get complicated if they get really close and then Carmen and Johnny break up yeah I know yeah that would probably be worse yeah I think I think that it almost does make up for that empty space

[00:32:26] in them a little bit because it's a real relationship that's a yeah yeah it's all in in a way you know it's kind of you know but Miguel doesn't trust it I don't think because Johnny is an idiot and he can't articulate himself and he only talks

[00:32:40] about the stuff that gives Miguel doubts he calls him Robbie when he's drunk and he's tell in the locker room saying come on you got to show that we're but you know Eagle Fang's the best and yeah it's definitely his own worst enemy Dan was that your point

[00:32:59] or did you have another one I have another point okay go for it yeah I'm sorry okay well I liked nine and ten because well like I said I was telling you guys beforehand that the first two episodes were totally awesome and I was totally blown away

[00:33:18] and then episode three I was a little bit disappointed that it wasn't I wasn't on par and then like three through eight I was kind of waiting for it to get better again and and then nine and ten came and

[00:33:35] there were not only just as good as one and two but they made me like three through eight better yeah yeah I thought in three through eight that were just kind of like seemed like just kind of like fill or something even the even the tournament style rematch

[00:33:51] when Johnny and Daniel got their geese back on and oh yeah I mean that was kind of fun whatever but that was probably one of the best parts of the three through eight but I didn't I didn't feel like they had as much depth as the first two

[00:34:08] or the like nine and ten and and I and I I just felt like they were sometimes like just doing stuff that was just fill while they're waiting for the end tournament type of thing but the way they did nine and ten

[00:34:21] the fact that they started nine with the tournament and just really developed it so well kind of brought in all that stuff that happened and three through eight made me like three through eight better yeah so yeah yeah

[00:34:36] I'd say like three demon qualities of nine and ten were another one of my points that's true huh they did it like they tied up the whole season in a nice little neat bow and then introduced a whole new set of messed up stuff yeah

[00:34:49] I think start next season we kind of felt the same I remember when we covered three were all like well that was good but not as good as the first two but one thing I think podcasting about it really helps you appreciate it more

[00:35:03] because we're digging into all the details and we notice things mm-hmm because I I agree the middle part wasn't as good as the beginning in the end but I still thought it was a great season yeah I'm glad we don't binge watch it either I think you would

[00:35:18] I would get tired of all the superficial drama if you just kept watching it over and over again mm-hmm I want to keep watching but I know it's hard not to you appreciate it more when you have time to think about it I think so I think so

[00:35:35] absolutely everyone needs to join that philosophy yeah yeah that makes sense to you there I like three through eight better because I it kind of brought out those details and their their importance like you guys were doing when you were analyzing it yeah right

[00:35:56] I didn't bother with as much until I got to 9 and 10 yeah yeah, Rima all right well my next point when did kind of bring back one of Miyagi's quotes and lessons there are no bad students only bad teachers

[00:36:15] one really great thing about Cobra Kai is they always kind of bring something from cry to kid or one of the cry to kid movies and or something that Miyagi would always try to teach into Cobra Kai and they really did a good job in

[00:36:28] I think anyway in this season because from the season three finale you know we were you know they were really building a set for this team up between Daniel and Johnny like we thought oh wow you know

[00:36:39] this is going to be so cool to see Daniel Johnny like come to the next level take the students to the next level and see these two finally come together after like you know bedding heads all the first three seasons

[00:36:52] but that didn't quite happen because there were these constant arguments between Daniel and Johnny and there was no real merger between Miyagi doing Eagle Fang they just kind of fell apart and then you know we got Terry Silver and John Crease

[00:37:08] didn't really go that well together and it led to this betrayal that we got there at the end and who was caught in all of that crossfire the kids and they were all affected you know Miguel and Sam you know they both wanted to learn the opposite styles

[00:37:24] but they kept getting discouraged by both of their senseis you know Daniel didn't want Sam to go learn Eagle Fang and Johnny got super jealous when Miguel was you know training with Daniel and they were both resistant to them learning those other styles

[00:37:38] and it was so much that you know Sam got really unsure of herself as to what techniques to use when she was in the finals and then Miguel didn't you know have that confidence to be able to return to the match after his injury

[00:37:51] and then we had Cobra Kai's to their best dudes who Robbie and Tori right they were also failed you know Terry pointed out how Crease you know really kind of saw Robbie as like a replacement you know for Johnny never really saw him as like

[00:38:10] like just him as an individual just as you know who he thought of you know kind of like making up for Johnny you know kind of using him as the same that he did back in the day and Tori who did not really have Crease's true support

[00:38:28] and she was just looking for some validation that never came and then learning that Terry Silver bribed the referee you know her victory just lost all of its meaning and I think after what we're probably going to see in season five

[00:38:45] what I think is going to happen in season five is that she's going to totally lose her trust in Cobra Kai so I don't know I but I thought it was interesting that you know how there were at least a couple of characters that did learn the lesson

[00:39:02] that there is no right or wrong philosophy and Jason you talked about it in your point you know that kind of look learning your own path and that was Robbie and Eli who were the two strongest I think fighters on the show and really kind of one out

[00:39:18] even though Robbie lost the tournament I think that at least by the end he kind of learned that lesson so I don't know just interesting to see you know every about all the teachers kind of struggling here and the kids you know kind of dealing with that fall

[00:39:32] out we must stop you're ruining the episode for me why I don't want to empathize with the kids want the adults to be right damn it. I think you're mostly right in fact if none of these guys ever taught karate these kids would be so much better off

[00:39:49] probably but I also think there's a little bit of the gray area ethos of Cobra Kai seeping into Miyagi's teaching to because I think these kids have gotten some good things out of it especially like Dimitri look at him

[00:40:07] you ask that was so cool you know the way he fought he looked like a bond villain or something with his he has a long reach. Yeah, yeah, he's long. So I think they're all getting some confidence out of it

[00:40:21] and some companion shift and companionship and also just learning through struggle I guess if you could call that a benefit it wasn't all bad I didn't mean for it to be all but I mean I take your point like no yeah yeah really good

[00:40:36] kids up in some ways. Although as an actual teacher I will say that that's right most of the time sometimes there's some kids that you just can't get through to yeah I will totally agree with you on that and it's for sure.

[00:40:51] But for the most part yeah you got good teachers you're gonna have good students and also I know like Dan he loved Spanish but had a shitty Spanish teacher in high school and decided not to do Spanish for a long time after that right?

[00:41:05] That's right yeah I was totally passionate about it in junior high school and then I said I want to do like you know extra Spanish classes in high school and then I got this teacher in 10th grade and he was just a jerk

[00:41:21] and I didn't do any Spanish until I got to college. Who was it? What was his name? Oh is he? Yeah. I had the lady Spanish teacher. Well actually in my senior year I took Spanish class again and I like my Spanish teacher and that's what motivated me

[00:41:39] to be more. Get going keep going. I had a I took French from Madame Wasel Yagi who was Japanese. Cool. Alright. Rich. Let's see. You know it was the ref. I said take a minute to address the referee there that just

[00:42:04] because alright it's not that big of a point but I want to pat myself on the back because I'm usually oblivious to what the hell is going on during the episode right? But this time no joke I caught it man.

[00:42:15] When Tori kicked Devon in the quarter finals and Johnny was like come on ref she was out of bounds and they like briefly showed it as she was out of bounds. I was like uh oh hey man that ref there's something wrong with that ref.

[00:42:27] That ref isn't cool like I immediately called it so I was like I'm proud of myself. It is cool because good observation when Sam was out it was totally clear that the ref made a bad call but I didn't

[00:42:40] catch that first call until I watched the episode the second time and Johnny said and I thought yeah that was the first time when I heard him say that I thought it was just Johnny being Johnny he's going to yell at the ref no

[00:42:49] matter what but you're right. Sweet and then the second time well it was the same ref it was a ref from his first tournament of course and I thought he did a great job then so I was like oh this dude's

[00:43:01] flawless he's come back alright it's gonna be a good tournament and then the second time when Sam and Tori were duking it out I was like there's something up and then the elbow to the face and that should be

[00:43:11] a warning right but the ref was just like I mean that should be a point deduction but the ref just calls a warning on it right now it's totally alright this guy there's something shady about the ref it's gonna it's gonna

[00:43:22] affect the tournament and totally sucked like he said Jay for Tori to see the exchange between Silver and the ref when she went back into the locker room and realizing she may have won on false pretense I mean did you suspect build them up termed as you suspect

[00:43:36] that Terry Silver has something to do with it. No, no I didn't think about why the ref was not doing well but I knew that he was doing something bad. I thought maybe at first it was the council you know

[00:43:51] the four dorks that were in charge of putting the tournament together. Well, maybe they were trying to play an angle or something. I wasn't sure but when Terry told Tori that he's not gonna call anything on you just be a warning I was like

[00:44:09] what I missed all that I mean I just thought after Tori won I was like holy shit Tori won and I'm like but it's kind of not a decisive win because same man the shit a one because of that bad call and that's as far

[00:44:26] as I got I didn't go an extra step to think that the ref was on the take. Well were you surprised when you saw Terry with him? Yeah. Yeah. But then it made me think I hope Johnny and Daniel find out that happened.

[00:44:45] Oh yeah that would be justification so they don't have to stop teaching huh? They're not going to anyway but yeah they could at least then feel better about their decision to not abide by the. Yeah, yeah that's why man that's why right there.

[00:44:57] I knew I saw I knew it. Yeah. Okay my turn. Yeah. All right a few moments that I made note of regarding just the fighting which we've talked about a lot so I won't repeat anything but I thought it was great to

[00:45:16] see the classic Cobra Kai tournament uniforms. I'm glad they only bust those out during the tournaments they're so cool looking. You only get them sparingly and I thought the Eagle Fang uniforms were pretty cool too what do you guys think? I like the red. The red yeah.

[00:45:30] The red with a single black stripe going down instead of both sides I thought that was kind of cool. I didn't really see what was on the back was it an Eagle? Oh yeah Eagle with fangs. Yep.

[00:45:46] I thought it was really fun to see like Dan was kind of alluding to the fights have more significance because of what's come before in the show so Eli versus Kyler is a guy versus his former bully you know used to call him Lip all the time.

[00:46:03] Robbie and they never fought before I think Kyler fought Miguel back in season one and Eli was just a nerd at that point not a fighter and then Kyler came back in season three and by that time Eli was hawking he was a scary bully that even Kyler

[00:46:24] was kind of freaked out by but I don't think they ever fought until now so that was a long time coming and Eli just kicked his ass which was great. Robbie versus Kenny is teacher versus student but man Robbie kicked him so hard.

[00:46:41] He went to a bad place. Did you see he was triggered like he was kind of taking it easy and he went back to his corner and what they say to him is like are you facing your friend or your opponent he just like yeah turned

[00:46:55] into the Terminator or something like that. He was so angry. Winter soldier. He was like the keyword or something and I could see Terry Silver coming over go dude. I didn't mean that like yes I'm a bad guy but geez don't murder someone out there.

[00:47:13] If you do frame someone else. It was scary to see Robbie go that far because I'm like dude he's you know clearly he's a lot more inexperienced than you he's more of an amateur than what you are and you can get a point without like annihilating someone.

[00:47:31] You can score a point without like taking him out but later he's in the locker room just kind of wiping his nose so I guess he's fine. Miguel versus Eli that's two friends competing that was really cool and I love how they did

[00:47:44] a little fist bump and not going to go easy right. Okay cool that was awesome and then Sam versus Tory they've just had so much tension building up over the course of the series and that they this longtime rivalry and it's kind of a rematch because

[00:48:01] they had that really brutal fight at the end of the Karate war that they flashed back on when the camera is going around in a circle just like it was back then. It's been building up a long time. That all worked really well.

[00:48:11] Yeah that was pretty good way to end the ninth episode two with Miguel on his back screaming sense. Well I was like oh my God did he break his back? Did anybody yeah the only one that freaked out in that moment thinking oh my gosh he's he's like

[00:48:27] broke his back again or something. I mean to me it was it made me think because it's only been a year since the last tournament even though two seasons have happened. Two seasons Eli I mean Miguel has broken his back and then almost died and then been through

[00:48:44] physical therapy and then you know everything else that happened in season three and now he's back at the tournament fighting so I thought oh that's maybe that's really irresponsible of Johnny to have him here. It sounded like a spine broke you hear crunching

[00:49:00] right and then and then in the next episode it starts off with a brain scan but it's yeah I know yeah right and then it's like nah he's fine. It's just a pulled muscle pull the muscle pull your right. I was totally relieved.

[00:49:18] Yeah but I thought at first when he was injured I'm like well Daniel gets injured in karate kid when they when Bobby kicked him in the leg and he's backstage and you're wondering if he's going to fight again right and Miyagi does his Reiki healing thing or whatever.

[00:49:35] Well right so I was wondering if it was like that but then it's like no it seems much more serious and then when it just turned out to be a pulled muscle okay it is kind of like that and I'm like

[00:49:45] I want to see if Johnny will have his version of the Miyagi Reiki healing and he throws him some ointment and goes rub some of that on it. So I think that was it but it was also a bit of

[00:49:57] a flip-flop because in karate kid Miyagi is telling Daniel you don't have anything to prove but Daniel says yes I do and I will feel right for myself. So Danny wants to fight Daniel wants to fight but Miyagi has to be convinced here.

[00:50:10] It's Johnny that has something to prove. Come on you need to hurry up and get out here and show your back who's boss. Yeah. I'm not so sure if he wants to and in karate kid it's like Daniel LaRusse is going to fight

[00:50:20] but here it's like Miguel Diaz is not going to fight. It was like a flip-flop. E-line Robbie was a great fight we've talked about some but I just think it's notable that I didn't like either one of these characters much until this season.

[00:50:41] So if this fight had been last season I wouldn't care nearly as much but now I kind of like both so it was much cooler to watch and when they take off their geese and they're going bare-chested it's kind of funny the ref just like shrugs.

[00:50:56] Yeah gives Eli a chance to show off his hawk tattoo again. It's like hey it's the old it's the old valley it's like when Devin was like hey they have a countdown clock kind of dramatic isn't it and it's like yeah it's the old valley.

[00:51:11] It's supposed to be over the top. I think that was also a sign of Robbie kind of reject starting to reject Cobra Kai too. Get this away from me. I totally believe that. Kind of like stripping the Cobra Kai yeah

[00:51:25] and he's being his own like man in that moment. And I almost feel bad that he lost because that's the second time losing. I thought it was just for their gratuitous ab shots. I'm sure that's part of it. That wasn't bad. That was a bonus.

[00:51:40] Okay Sam and Tori so yeah they did the the girl fight last I thought that was great and I like that Robbie even though he needed a minute after he lost he pulled it together and came back out to support Tori. That was cool.

[00:51:54] I was thinking Samantha was going to win maybe but then I was pretty I was pretty convinced she was going to lose. Well and then what then I got nervous when she was doing well because Dad and Johnny teamed up

[00:52:08] and I was like oh well maybe she will win. Shoot there goes my predictions. She kind of did win but because they cheated she lost so we're kind of yeah. Yeah she also won for herself. Yeah but Tori was bouncing around kind of like Dutch

[00:52:20] in Karate Kid and Sam is still and focused like more like Daniel towards the end and it was just a fucking badass fight. I guess we've already talked a lot about it but yeah that's great. I liked in that fight and in the other

[00:52:38] and the boys fight how just the style combinations like how they were able to bring both together and how they all struggled with which one should I use and go back to their senses like hey he's not doing what I expected him to do. She's being aggressive. Yeah.

[00:52:56] That was really cool. And basically they're saying we'll use whatever works like a good adult would. I don't know just do it. Do it. Do your best get out there. Win stop asking me all these hard questions. Yeah like.

[00:53:18] When when Eli said to ask Daniel son you got any advice for the last for the last point and I didn't think that was like very I mean like what he said because he was like he's like go give it all you got

[00:53:36] and so I like he said that but it seemed like it needed to come with a little more deep down advice. Yeah I almost expected to go but what should I do. But wait wasn't the wisdom I was expecting that moment. Okay. Dan got any more.

[00:54:02] Well I have the kind of touchdown a little bit already but the the Robbie and Johnny moment at the end really got me. So really well done. I thought well written and well acted and just just the content of it was really heart wrenching and and feel good

[00:54:26] and it was really good. Yeah the tiny yeah it was really good. Yeah Johnny is like you should blame me for I forget what all of that and he's like I'm sick of blaming you dad. Oh man that was yeah that tugged the heart string didn't it.

[00:54:42] Yeah I was like oh I'm sick of blaming you dad. It's like wow don't hear that every dad wants to hear. Yeah but you never hear it. Yeah no kidding. It was good though after my son. You've blamed you for everything dad. I learned it by watching you.

[00:54:57] Took him a long time to get there but it was good for four whole seasons you know this bitterness and anger that Robbie's had and it finally like like you pointed out Jay that you know it kind of almost took seeing what he what was

[00:55:12] happening with Kenny for him to kind of realize you know that kind of yeah so yeah it was good to see us on finally after four seasons you know we finally kind of get so I'm looking forward to that I hope in season five I hope that

[00:55:25] they get to be able to build you know from there a little bit. I wonder if Johnny will stay like this emotionally mature though because he was like at his most emotionally mature this episode where he's apologizing to Daniel like yeah

[00:55:38] I freaked out when I saw you bonding with Miguel but I realized that he you guys had a good thing and I stepped in and all this and I'm like that's John I don't know if Johnny can keep that up very long.

[00:55:52] He goes back and forth he kind of reaches those moments and he kind of reverts back a little bit and then he kind of comes back and yeah I'm say he's he's human and he's Johnny we love him.

[00:56:01] Yeah even in the beef of things he stills like what's an Uber like a taxi. He hasn't changed his delivery is I just love it. He just gets away with it just like so like what's an Uber and then just like keeps going with it.

[00:56:19] I just and she's like it's like a taxi you know it's like it's not important right now. Yeah it reminded me that like the old airplane jokes you know the hospital what's that it's a big building with patience in it that's not important right now.

[00:56:33] He has a delivery reminds me a lot of Leslie Nielsen and I think that's what I really love and said love Leslie Nielsen and airplanes with my all time favorite movies he's got that delivery and that's why he just always cracks me up. I love it straight man.

[00:56:48] I told Daphne if asked if I could come on run for your lives and talk about airplane but she said no so maybe we should do it on another podcast. We should we should just do it. I love airplane.

[00:56:59] I could oh God it's one of my favorites growing up and still and I was so excited when Julie was finally old enough to watch it because you know little raunchy but but yeah one of my all time. Yeah yeah those jokes I don't think would fly today

[00:57:13] when you're blowing up the inflatable autopilot copilot is a big smile in its face. We're speaking to dive. No but it's dude Cleaver. All right where are we I'm kind of lost and just went right

[00:57:30] so yeah me OK well I want to talk a little bit about what's going to happen in season five or maybe predictions or what we think or hopes maybe I'm not sure I don't know if I have any hopes or I don't even know if I have any

[00:57:46] predictions but just kind of where they left it off because you know I have a hope you said that they've well good I want to hear I want to hear everyone if you have them but you

[00:57:56] know where we kind of wrap up a lot of things for season four but we've opened up a lot for season five so you know Cobra Kai one and Johnny Daniel aren't allowed to have their dojos but chosen can right is that a loophole.

[00:58:09] Oh yeah that a loophole can open up. Dojo Johnny Daniel like they all team up yeah yeah good point I would feel better about that. Yeah I'm thinking that's a loophole because yeah he can he can open a dojo.

[00:58:26] I'm wondering you know Terry bribed the ref will Tory tell about what what she saw what she heard and could Cobra Kai get banned from the tournament again. Good question it'll come out in some way. It's going to come out.

[00:58:41] I don't know Toriel will come out with it will see I'm just trying to be good she's trying to do good well which also makes me wonder could Tory maybe join me I get oh I'd love to see her and her Daniels tutelage.

[00:58:55] Yeah possible she's starting it's kind of going up to Amanda right yeah her and Amanda are getting to be Chemi Amanda's kind of helping her out we haven't seen which we don't have to see everything but it sounds like Amanda you know is

[00:59:08] even talking to her but her mom's doctor when she said I talked to doctor whatever the name was and I was like well who's this person guessing it's her her mom's doctor and then she said yeah and they hooked me up with a or maybe it's a therapist

[00:59:21] or something I'm not sure. Therapist is a therapist okay and that they helped her get a volunteer to help out with her mom so I thought oh there's some more like things happening between those two where you know Amanda is helping her out but we just haven't

[00:59:33] seen it all on screen or whatever so I think you know and seeing how Tories kind of you know kind of coming around a little bit and I think wants to do better I think that would be interesting.

[00:59:44] Maybe another loophole now I agree I don't I don't really want to go back on their pack that's why I'm thinking maybe chosen will open the dojo but you know they made the pact with Chris they didn't make it with silver

[00:59:55] increase is gone at least for the moment. And he might actually support them fighting silver too. Yeah so and then frigging Terry silver so so good I've loved loved having him on this season it has been absolutely amazing Thomas anger for this really knocked out of the

[01:00:15] park but I'm thinking what the hell decrease and leash in this dude he's out there. He totally turned crease in and betrayed him and blamed him for beating up yeah and he's and then this is what got me to he's out there looking to like really hurt

[01:00:35] people did you guys see that you know he's encouraging Tory to fight dirty even after we knew that he had like he very bribed the ref there was no need for Tory to like go in and be super dirty and cheat or anything like that.

[01:00:50] Yeah he's absolutely sadistic and I'm thinking oh God this dude is. It's kind of fun. I know it's because that's how he was in karate kid three I want them to feel pain. I know and he can't blame it on the coke this time like he

[01:01:06] was like well as far as we know so I don't know and then I wonder could crease if he's not in jail team up with Johnny and chosen. Oh I don't know. I was Johnny and Johnny Daniel and chosen and I well

[01:01:23] because I think Johnny Johnny Daniel and chosen are all going to kind of team up but I'm team up with Daniel I could see that if Johnny would wow. What if I just just occurred to me what if all of them

[01:01:35] have to team up together and all the kids have to team up together to beat whoever Silver brings in his quote unquote friends and maybe they're the super duper karate dudes and all the people we've loved and hated are going to have to team up to beat them.

[01:01:51] Maybe I think enemy is. Yeah the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yeah. Yeah. So they have to be Cobra Miyagi Fang though. Well one line that I think is going to mean something is when Terry as you know the cops are carting off crease

[01:02:14] Terry says don't worry about Lawrence. I'll take good care of him too. I'm like what's he got. What does that mean? Is he going to try to turn him like he did with Daniel? That would be interesting like he did Johnny Lawrence

[01:02:28] like he did with Daniel when went in karate kid three you know is Robby's last name or something. What's Robby's last name is it Lawrence also? Where's he I don't know but I think he was talking about Johnny because he's talking about how Johnny's weakness and everything.

[01:02:45] Johnny and then he also doesn't like Daniel. So do you guys have any thoughts about season five predict predictions or what we might see based on the end there. I just hope that that Terry Silver is back to his full on hardcore snake in the grass villain.

[01:03:05] Just excited you know wanting to inflict pain and all this because when I heard he was coming back I didn't want them to do the cuba card treatment where they humanize them and give him a gray area but then I've ended up liking it a lot this season.

[01:03:20] I think he's he added a lot but I was also happy to see him like he says to Chris you've unleashed something in me. So now that he's to that point I would really love to see them just go really extreme with it at least at

[01:03:33] the beginning maybe he can come back around later or something like that but I don't see any point in making him go back to being villainous unless they're really going to go for it so I hope they do. Yeah, yeah, it sounds like everyone's coming back.

[01:03:46] That's pretty pretty cool. We haven't talked much about Miguel and his father who is the mystery guest for that's going to play his father. I feel like they'll throw a curve ball with that too and he's we're thinking like bad guy drug cartel

[01:04:00] or something so maybe he'll be some like bookstore owner or something you know. Maybe it'll be real world not tournament have to defend themselves for real. Yeah, real bad guys. Yeah. They'll form a strike force. Strike first and get shot for real. That was it for me.

[01:04:24] I mean, yeah, I that's my only thing that I'm really hoping is that the only specific thing is about Terry Silver but after a season two that made me wonder if these guys didn't really know how to extend this past

[01:04:41] the awesome first season then with three and four like no they know they do. They're good so I'm just hopeful that they can keep it up to the same quality even if it was exactly the same quality as season four I'd be stoked. Yeah, I agree.

[01:04:57] You got to wonder how many more people can they introduce though? Their call sheet must be like five pages long. There aren't really many more karate kid characters. I don't think about Hillary. Do you think they'll bring Hillary Swank? Hillary Swank right?

[01:05:14] Maybe but I don't really care about that. I guess I'd have to go watch that movie again. I think I only saw it once or twice. It was so bad. There's the new karate kid too right with Jaden Smith.

[01:05:26] I think they've said that it's not related so they won't go there but who knows? Yeah, maybe they could totally should have been called Kung Fu kid by the way since they go to China and they do Kung Fu. I think Johnny's character is the most well developed

[01:05:44] character and I wonder where his character is going to go in the next season like Grimo was saying a little bit like is he going to be a good guy or bad guy or part of it's going to come out because he showed parts

[01:06:03] of kind of stereotypical Kobra Kai and this one where he was like if they strike first, we're in a pre-strike and he was in danger. But then he was also putting the kids in danger. I also was like yeah, but the kids in danger.

[01:06:24] But then he was also like very emotionally mature. Like you said, I would know this with Robbie. I do think he'll probably chase after Miguel go to Mexico. Yeah, I think so too. But I think that'll be part of it. Wow, Johnny in Mexico.

[01:06:49] They kind of stuck with me from the very first season. Like it was just like a nonchalant comment, but it was pretty racist like when Miguel first met him and he goes, oh great, more immigrants. So now he's going to Mexico and they never touch on that again.

[01:07:10] You know, I think he said a couple more racist things over the years. Yeah, he's definitely on the line. It's mostly his ignorance that makes him racist. I don't know if he actually is. I mean, when he tried to make dinner and he had like that

[01:07:24] big old thing of salsa from Ralph's or whatever. It's like he's been stuck in a time capsule. It's like somebody locked him in a deep freeze for 1985 and he's been like woken up kind of like his attitude way his mind works. Okay, where are we?

[01:07:48] That was my point. It's my turn. I had I had Chris, the Chris and Johnny thing, but we pretty much killed it when they meet for the first time in the locker and Chris tells him he wanted him to win because of how

[01:08:02] important that would have been for Johnny. And so you know his life wouldn't spiral out of control but I'm thinking no, you were being a total dick about it. You know, remember the scene outside the tournament at the beginning of the second movie?

[01:08:13] I think you mentioned it, Jason, when you put Johnny in a chokehold and called him a loser. Then like beat up his friends that were trying to help him. Yeah, yeah. And then it all comes first circle and it comes full circle

[01:08:26] and shows that scene when Chris told Tory to fight how she wants after Silver's trying to get her to fight dirty. Yeah, it's absolutely great script writing, you know, because just when Chris might be developing a heart and a conscience, you know, Silver has him arrested

[01:08:43] for the whole stingray thing. Build them up and tear them down. Yeah, and it's interesting because Silver had clearly already planned that because he beat the shit out of stingray and then told him you're going to tell him that Chris did this.

[01:08:56] So even before Chris started showing what Terry Silver clearly thought was weakness by like telling Tory fight how you want, he still had decided, OK, your weakness is Johnny and you're also my weakness is you. I think that was the most important thing though

[01:09:13] that Terry identified that his weakness was Chris and that he needed to get rid of him so he wouldn't be constrained by this loyalty that he's felt towards him. Right. And also, you know, if he caught it, he said,

[01:09:27] you want to be in Cobra Kai, you got to do this for me to stingray. And I remember thinking, oh man, he's going to be in Cobra Kai again next year. Yeah, I was kind of bummed. I was like, oh, that means we're probably going

[01:09:38] to have stingray again. Have to see him again. Well, maybe get beat up again. Yeah, maybe. It's kind of funny they brought it back like, hey, dude, come back and be on Cobra Kai again. Oh, what's my role? Well, we're going to beat the shit out of you

[01:09:55] and then you're going to frame somebody for it. Yeah, you're just going to be an annoying tool. All right. All right. Cool. Paycheck. I wonder if these guys would show as much as these begging to be on that Cobra Kai with a Cobra Kai, don't you?

[01:10:08] Yeah, inappropriately hang out with underage kids. Yep. Creepy. Okay. Callbacks and references. So some of these will be like pop quiz. The first one is the announcer says, Miyagi does ready to show the world that they're the best around. Oh, I have that in my notes.

[01:10:30] It's from the song. Yeah. Well, you're the best around. Nothing's gonna keep you down. Right. Yeah, which by the way, um, I looked online and a lot of people were kind of like these two episodes are great except for Claire Underwood carry under with her carry under.

[01:10:53] Sorry, really? Well, it did feel kind of shoehorn into me. It did. Apparently she's a big fan of the movies and the show and also the extras in the audience didn't even know she was going to be there. So it was their reaction. But I, I was it.

[01:11:09] I kind of thought she should have sang you're the best around because that's what they did in karate kid and they showed a montage of those first fights. But apparently they didn't want to do that because they thought it would have been too much of a copycat.

[01:11:22] I, I disagree. I think it would have made it better because as it was, it kind of stood out to me and instead they played the moment of truth, which is the song that played at the end of the credits in karate kid.

[01:11:33] But I think if it was your the best around, it would have felt less like shoehorned in. I don't know. Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference, but I don't, I don't know. I wish I could have seen it and then decided because I didn't like it either.

[01:11:45] It felt forced and I'm like just cause she was available. Didn't mean you had to let her let her on the show. I don't know. It did feel like, yeah. I like, I like Carrie Underwood. I just thought didn't like them. I don't know.

[01:11:57] Just felt forced to me. Yeah. She also sings the introduction to Sunday Night Football. I was like, yeah, double dose of Carrie. Carrie's great. Carrie's great. I did like that. She said everyone gets their chance in the spotlight. Everyone gets their moment because on this show, that's true.

[01:12:13] You know, all the actors get like little storylines or whatever. It's kind of cool. Okay. Eli says to Miguel when they come together to fight, finally a worthy opponent. That's what that's why I went back and watched that scene when they're fighting other training in the woods. Yeah.

[01:12:33] And they're separated into two teams and then when they meet at the end, he says the same thing finally a worthy opponent. And by the way, Stingray did win that little competition for Crease's side by hiding under the leaves and coming up like

[01:12:46] Rambo and Crease said good work Stingray. So that kind of little bit goes against Crease having no respect for him. That was the first time anyone ever called him Stingray to Crease. This is the second All Valley tournament.

[01:13:00] The first was in season one, the second of the series. I mean, and some big characters who don't compete in the first one are Dmitri, Tori and Sam. And Crease wasn't there either because he wasn't on the show yet.

[01:13:15] The last time Terry Silver and Crease were at a tournament together was in Karate Kid 3. I just thought that was kind of cool. It makes sense that the tournament would be longer this time because there's more kids now who know karate.

[01:13:28] Yeah, by the way, wasn't there like 12 dojos there? Yeah, if you look to the scoreboard, there's a whole bunch of dojos, but we only get the drama. I wonder what they think of all the drama between these three dojos. I know, they're like, God, drama queens.

[01:13:44] I kind of call back. What's that? What is it? When that scene that was like totally cringe worthy when when Kenny was beating up Anthony. And then after he beat him up and Robbie came in and was

[01:14:01] trying to like console him and he's like, just let me alone. Just let me alone. And he ran off. I think that was a throwback to when Johnny and Daniel were on the beach and his girlfriend was trying to console him.

[01:14:16] Oh, when Allie was trying to console him. Yeah. That's right. Alone and then her friend goes to sleep alone. It's better if you just leave me alone. Yeah, yep. There were the moment of truth montage when they showed the early tournament rounds.

[01:14:33] One move that Dmitri does I think is just like one of the moves that Daniel did in karate kid tournament where he stepped out of the way and then kind of pop does a quick chop to the other guy's back, which made me

[01:14:43] wonder if there were more of the exact moves. I'm not sure, but I know like one thing that stood out in karate kid was that guy Daryl Vidal who was flipping around a lot. Remember him? Mm hmm. And we didn't see anything like that.

[01:14:57] I mean, some of it like Robbie and Robbie had some moves like that. Yeah, not quite as much, but yeah. But anyway, speaking of that guy, Joe Vidal, he one of the other dojos that we see here is Locust Valley karate of those 10 that you're just talking

[01:15:14] about rich. That's where Daryl fought for in karate kid. Locust Valley. It's cool. Still around. Daniel tells Sam, you know, we just need one person to win to take the lead and then there's a segment showing Cobra Kai doing the Miyagi dough moves because Robbie

[01:15:34] taught them to them and in Chris versus Tyler. I mean Kyler Kyler does sand the floor wax on wax off and paint the fence. And then Kenny versus Nate Kenny does the drum technique that I was like, there's the drum.

[01:15:53] Although you couldn't really tell what they were doing and here it just looks like he's blocking with two hands. And then we see another Cobra Kai guy who I don't think you can really tell who it is grabbing a Miyagi dough and slamming him slamming him down and

[01:16:08] there's a flashback to Daniel showing Robbie how to do that move using a car jack. Yep. And it made me wonder if we'll ever see the crane technique again. I kind of doubt it because it would be hard to top the impact of that in karate.

[01:16:21] Yeah, he did try it in karate kid too and chose and countered it. I think Johnny Johnny almost did it. That was awesome. This is it. For you. Let's go. Uh, after, uh, after maybe see if you can get this one

[01:16:43] Dan after Devin loses Devin Lee that girl new girl student and Johnny asks her if they still have a chance of winning. She says if the right female fighters get eliminated and Miguel makes it to the final and wins then

[01:16:56] there's a chance and then Johnny looks over at Miguel and goes good chance. I sounds familiar but I can't replace it. I don't know. That's when Daniel's in the locker room after being injured. And he goes you got a chance of winning and Miyagi is

[01:17:16] like win lose no matter and he goes that's not what I mean. He goes I good chance. I thought it was cool to hear the judge say point LaRusso and Sam fights because we haven't heard anyone say that since karate kid and then you

[01:17:34] hear point LaRusso and Johnny goes yes, which we've never seen before. Right. Robbie fights Kenny Kenny gets a point crease calls time out ref says go to your sensei. Chris says are you fighting your friend or your opponent? I thought you wanted to be champion.

[01:17:53] That's like in karate kid when Daniel had two points on Johnny crease calls time out ref says go to your sensei someone in the audience says Johnny you're a creep off and then grief wipes his nose and says sweep the leg both times the crease telling

[01:18:07] them to be more brutal in the fight. Eli and Robbie run out the clock and then it goes to sudden death and he says you know the announcer says championship match will be decided for the first time since 1985 by sudden death. What is that reference to?

[01:18:29] Oh, that was the first karate movie when Daniel and Johnny had a fight right? Nope. He did the crane move. Nope. Yeah, that was the sudden death. I don't know. I was wondering that too. I was wondering I was wondering is that from the

[01:18:41] tournament in the very first karate kid? I couldn't place it. That's Daniel's fight with Mike Barnes. I was just good. I was just thinking three and was it sudden death? Yeah. Mike Barnes. Okay. Which is the only reason he won right? Yes.

[01:18:56] They engineered that fight so that Daniel could get the shit beat out of him and then just with one little dinky punch win the whole thing. But look what it did for his confidence. That's right. That was the best. Doesn't matter.

[01:19:14] Let's oh, the announcer says coached by her father and Sensei two time all fall out all Valley Championship Daniel LaRusso who I've just been informed will be joined by Sensei Johnny Lawrence. And then Daniel comes out and whispers something

[01:19:26] to him and he goes, oh, I stand corrected fellow two time all Valley Champion Sensei Johnny Lawrence. I'm so glad they finally remembered that Johnny is also a two time. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. But that reminded me of when the announcer says

[01:19:43] Miyagi do karate and he goes Miyagi do Miyagi do karate. Let's see if this one's worth doing up. Well, so Tori accidentally elbowed Sam to the face. They did another go to your sensei is Terry says she comes in like that again give her shot to

[01:20:02] the other eye. She can't see. She can't fight. Which is like the quick silver method. Yeah. We got two out of the three. But then she goes, won't I just want to get disqualified? And he goes, why she ran into your elbow just disguised it as a counter.

[01:20:22] Well in Karate Kid three, he told Daniel Terry Silver if you hit him square in the nose, he'll be blinded by his tears and choke on his own blood. Daniel but that but that would be face contact. I'd be disqualified.

[01:20:33] He ran into your fist, not your fault, right? And then in the final match between Samantha and Tori, she does the same kata that Daniel did just before the last point with Mike Barnes and Karate Kid three, the Miyagi do family kata.

[01:20:53] This is when I don't know if it's not real or if it is but when after Tori won and she said to Samantha, hey, you all right. I kind of wondered if that was a nod to Karate Kid when Daniel won and Johnny said, you're all right,

[01:21:08] the Russo. Yeah. Either way, I really want them to I want the show to bring that up to see what Johnny says about it. You know, that you're all right remark. Yeah, because he Daniel kicked him in the face and then he's like, you're all right, the Russo.

[01:21:27] I really want him to say why he said that or, you know, just react to it or something. So Terry Silver gets to have his dojos open and he in Karate Kid three, he made a speech just before the final fight with

[01:21:41] Daniel and Mike Barnes announced that he was partnering with Chris and was going to open a chain of Cobra Kai dojos, but they ended up not doing it. But this time he did that kind of a similar speech right after the tournament announced they would be

[01:21:53] opening them up and I think it's going to happen for sure now. I think I don't know maybe not. I kind of hope so want to see what would happen. Well, they did move locations off the original one that they had there.

[01:22:06] Yeah, I didn't understand why did why did Johnny go over there? I don't know. I'm maybe he was going to confront either Silver or Chris, maybe Chris. Okay, maybe maybe I don't I don't know either. It's just point. I don't know.

[01:22:25] I'm also not sure why they don't keep that dojo open because I was thinking maybe they don't think it's good enough dojo, but they are going to open one of the old original one. I bet they go back to their I bet they go back to the

[01:22:39] original like I mean they showed it. So I feel like you're not going to show it. Well, right. But I bet they're why not keep one that they already have. Um, I don't know maybe the location. I don't know.

[01:22:50] It's in a strip mall and they kind of always made fun of it, you know about the location and stuff. And then the last one I have is just that Daniel, you know he made this big thing about how he wanted to honor Miyagi's teachings.

[01:23:03] But what he neglected to mention is like the whole plot of Karate Kid 3 is that he keeps bugging Miyagi to let him do the tournament and Miyagi won't sign the permission slip. So if he really cared about that, he wouldn't be

[01:23:17] having these kids do these tournaments so much. I don't think because Miyagi didn't want him to do tournaments. Maybe Johnny went over there to concede defeat. Because he's supposed to not teach anymore, right? Maybe he was going to go over there and say, all right, you won.

[01:23:37] Maybe I'm out. I don't think they really said why. No. Okay. Any random notes, Dan? Anything else we didn't talk about yet? Well, just what you said about Miyagi not wanting to do tournaments reminds me of like what I did

[01:24:01] in Tequando for a lot of years and we never went to tournaments and that was kind of the philosophy because like Tequando was for life and tournaments were just like for points kind of thing. And that even though I relate to Miyagi go in

[01:24:22] that way, like in general, I relate to these shows a lot from when I was in high school just because it's like a hyperbole of what my high school years were like Tequando was like a, you know, martial arts was like a part of my life

[01:24:39] and I was kind of in a martial art culture all the way through high school and there were issues with dads and our teachers and instructors and you know, there weren't any karate wars or anything like that or gang.

[01:24:59] But it just brings back a lot of those feelings. It's kind of what attracts me to the show a lot. I bet. How often do you think about your sensei and Tequando? Pretty like just the fact that I haven't seen him

[01:25:15] or talked to him in probably 20 years considering that quite a bit. I mean, like he had a huge influence on my life and like I think about some things that I do and how I think about things and my perspective on life and it comes from him.

[01:25:32] Like I didn't realize it, but just how he was and how he looked at life. He was kind of like a cool collective type guy, but very like mysterious and I find myself like thinking of that as like an ideal or something to to shoot for. Hmm.

[01:25:52] Well, I remember you got you decided you wanted to try tournaments at one point, right? And it was kind of against his wishes, I guess. Sort of. I decided I wanted to train for the Olympics and and he said, okay, I'll train you to and I had been

[01:26:13] doing Tequando since I was five and I was like 25 or something and he said, okay, I'll train you and but then he had like troubles with the studio and it closed down and he out. I think he was having my personal issues of whether

[01:26:28] he wanted to continue and I wasn't going to tournaments and I was like, well, shit, I have to compete in tournaments if I want to get ready for the Olympics. And so I kind of went to a few tournaments behind his back and and Carl was my coach.

[01:26:44] Carl high school. Yeah. He also did Tequando. He was like a Tequando buddy. So yeah, and I ended up dropping out of training for the Olympics because they decided not to put Tequando on the Olympics that year.

[01:27:01] But it was but yeah, just kind of that was an example. I guess the drama that happened because of my martial arts history. Yeah, all the way to 25. I like that. I think that's cool because it's like, you know, the

[01:27:22] show has, you know, or demonstrate such a strong bond with the senseis and their students and, you know, the impact that the senseis have on those kids' lives and the influence that they have. And then when you talk about the relationship

[01:27:35] that you had with your sensei and even after 20 years of not, you know, you know, working under your sensei and I haven't even talked to him that he still that you still think about him often and things that he, you know, taught you an influence.

[01:27:47] I think that's really cool. Some glad he was a good sensei and not a crease. Right. He was a great guy. He really cared about his students a lot. All of us are great guys. David, was it named David? Yeah, David's been known. All right, let's get it.

[01:28:08] Let's get back to just finishing this up. Does anybody have any random notes or anything? Rima one thing I want to we've talked about most of my notes, but one thing that really stood out that I really, really enjoyed that.

[01:28:20] I just got to kick out of that particular scene when Danny Daniel and Johnny finally kind of came to each other and they finally kind of had some respect for each other. They both apologized to each other and when they both were facing each other and you got

[01:28:34] to see the crowd of the tournament there. It was just so cool because like the last time that they read a tournament, well, I mean the last time in Karpakai, they were still at odds, but like thinking back of when they were like fighting each other,

[01:28:48] but then to see them, you know, getting along and kind of seeing eye to eye at that point and it being at the tournament was like such a big other and showing respect and everything. I love that. I love that it was at the tournament.

[01:29:02] I know I was like, oh my God, I love this so much seeing these two come together at a tournament. And if that had happened at the end of season one, it would have seemed like B.S. But exactly took their time with it.

[01:29:14] So it was I loved it too. I did too. So that's really the only thing I wanted to call out. We haven't talked about. There are some good Star Wars banter between Dimitri and how I got that. That was awesome. The Star Wars references.

[01:29:29] It didn't really work though. So you have the high ground and then he went out and got beat. But I mean, it's Robbie. Come on. Yeah, I mean, Robbie. He fought really well. I was so proud of Dimitri. Yeah.

[01:29:42] Yeah, he was like the only one who who loses. But then when the Daniel says you did good out there, he was like all happy. He's like, cool. All right, cool. Yeah. I mean, I understand that Robbie's one of the best ones.

[01:29:55] And I loved how Johnny too would be like to Devon like, hey, you did great and you haven't even been doing this long. Don't let it get to you. He told he said that to I think he said it to Robbie

[01:30:09] too. Don't don't don't let this get to you. It's trust me. Right. It's because he'd been stewing on it for 35 years or whatever. He doesn't want it out for his students, but it's nice that he cares, you know. Here's enough to say something. Yeah.

[01:30:27] That was it for my notes. Yeah. Okay. I just have a couple. I really liked how as the cops were dragging Chris away, Terry's standing there drinking champagne and his patented symphonic violin music comes up and he's like conducting with one hand as if

[01:30:45] he's conducting the just machinations that he just accomplished, you know, just perpetrated and it really tied that music. I've always thought about that music for him, but it tied that to him. It's like he thinks he's the symphony of or the conductor of all this stuff.

[01:31:03] I just thought that was so cool. The way they did that. In Crotty Kid 3 Terry Silver's company was called Dinatox and I kind of wonder if it's still called that and he would dump toxic slugs. One funny line Daniel said to Eli, how you feeling? I'm okay.

[01:31:23] Not exactly thrilled to be fighting my friend, meaning Miguel and then Dimitri says it doesn't help that nobody's ever beaten Miguel either. He's like, I didn't say that out loud. That's nice. Dimitri was funny in general.

[01:31:40] I like when that when Eli took off his gi and while Robbie took it out first and threw it to Tori and then Eli took off his gi and threw it to Dimitri. Then there's little hawk sound. Oh, I love that when he does like this little like

[01:32:05] shoulder blade shoulder. Yeah, and then get the hawk thing. I'm like, oh, hawk is back. That's cool. A couple more notes. Daniel said to Johnny, let's team up again. Did that mean just team up in that moment to help Sam or something more?

[01:32:22] I think so because he did say something else about it not being Eagle fan for just tonight. Okay. Yeah. I was thinking if Miguel hadn't bailed then maybe Johnny and Daniel, you know, maybe Eagle thing would have won.

[01:32:42] So it was kind of Johnny was on Johnny because he kind of messed up with Miguel, but I don't know. It would have been. I don't know. Yeah, you ever pulled a muscle in your back? It's not something you bounce back from 30 minutes.

[01:32:58] Remember when we went to Rainbow pools and I couldn't walk for like three days after that? Yeah. I guess you're right. And then the last thing is just, you know, I always talk about how this shows about surrogate fathers and absent

[01:33:12] fathers and I was thinking about it and I actually kind of identify more with Johnny than Daniel in some ways because all three of us, me, Johnny and Daniel had absent fathers and we were all grown up and trying to be good

[01:33:26] dads ourselves, but Daniel got Mr. Miyagi and Johnny just got asshole step fathers like me. So yeah, that's one way where this series has made me feel like more on Johnny's side. Even though Daniel is my boy. All right, that's it. We got some feedback.

[01:33:49] We'll take a little break. We'll get back to the feedback and some news. Stay with us. So take back my life. All right, we're back. It's time for the news. All right, just a couple small items this week because

[01:34:32] we've kind of talked a little bit throughout since it came out, but there was just a little piece of an interview from Variety where they were talking to the showrunners and they did ask Josh held. They said, what if anything can you reveal about season five?

[01:34:48] Will it be out in 2022? He says there's a great assumption and expectation that season five will be released in 2022. We don't have a release date yet. So I can't speak from a position of authority, but I have every

[01:35:03] reason to believe and expect based on the drumbeat of where we are that it will come out this year. We finished production. We're in post production. So we're now just starting to have a lot of conversations about licensing and making choices.

[01:35:14] And they were kind of talking about some of the songs and stuff. So then they were talking about licensing was for like the music and stuff. So no date yet. That could be December 31st like the last season. It might be.

[01:35:26] It could be technically this year in December again, but I'm glad to hear that. Yeah. They at least want to get it out this year. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. I do like that they were, I mean, they're already kind of

[01:35:41] ahead of ahead of it, you know, than where they were with, you know, season four and it coming out. So I don't know. But we'll see. There was from Shub is cheat sheet. They were talking about the reason why the women's competition decided the All Valley Karate Tournament.

[01:36:02] It sounds like, you know, that was something that they decided to go with and they said by the finale the score was such the women's competition would decide the final score. Schlossberg, who's one of the show winners said that they also contemplated other permutations of the All Valley.

[01:36:19] He says, I think we just went with what we felt was the best for the story of this season. There's different ways that we were going as soon as we made the decision that Miguel wouldn't be in the finals, you start to wonder, well, where are

[01:36:31] the stakes and what's going to be the most fulfilling ending? We laid, yeah, we laid it out how it is all different kinds of discussions over the combinations permutations of what would happen at the tournament. That was just what we felt would be the most

[01:36:43] entertaining in that order. Josh held said it was important to make Tori and Samantha the deciding fight. He said ever since the high school fight in season two, Tori's kept coming after Samantha. Samantha struck back in season four humiliating Tori at work.

[01:36:58] The seeing them fight in an official tournament capacity was satisfying. He said this really was the rivalry of the season. Tori Sam, you know, continues from season three. There's a lot of a lot left and resolved after that and that needed the most momentous moment

[01:37:13] whereas the boys fight was really a battle for each of them individually overcoming their own issues with their own selves and their own dojos. This was really about this rivalry and this felt like it was well placed as the climax. It was greedy.

[01:37:25] Yep, I agree with all that. Yep. Oh, that's it. That's all I've got. Nice. Cool. All right. Let's get into some listener feedback. We'll take turns. Dan, we'll go first. Sure. So Jemma Hall says I love the season finale. I love Carrie Underwood and the moment of truth.

[01:37:50] That son, that son of a gun, Terry Silver is still as diabolical as ever and he cheated to win. The fight scenes were epic though and I was I was so impressed with Dimitri Hawk and even Robbie. My heart broke for Miguel though.

[01:38:05] So good to see chosen at the end and I do feel a bit sorry for Chris. Until next year. Yeah. Feel sorry for Chris. Gosh, that's hard to say. Isn't it weird to think that? Yeah, a little sorry for him.

[01:38:18] I wonder if Johnny will end up being Miguel's dad. Like that'll be the resolution to their story. Johnny, Miguel's dad. Johnny. I mean, I mean, no, I don't mean this real time. I mean, yeah, I mean, he'll marry Carmen and. Oh, okay.

[01:38:38] Well, there's this whole speculation as to who Miguel's father is. Because you know, the whole thing is Miguel doesn't trust that Johnny really cares about him and so maybe. Yeah, Miguel and Robbie will be brothers. Oh boy. Juan Frasto says great episodes, great season.

[01:39:01] Are we starting to see a softer side to Tory? Will she and Robbie make the switch to Miyagi? Do I try to wait with you and only watch two episodes per week, but I fail. Can't believe we have to wait until 2023 for season five. Love the podcast.

[01:39:17] Emily Rochetti says, I love these two episodes. They made up for the middle episodes, which I thought were fine, but not great. The fights were simply awesome. Some of your predictions were actually good. Can't wait to hear you guys talk about it. Surprise.

[01:39:33] Yeah, she's with you on that, Dan, about the middle episodes. Yeah. Yeah, I think I've read similar online to people will feel that way. Kelly Burgess says, I feel like these two episodes completely redeemed the middle episodes, which I thought were subpar for the series.

[01:39:48] Hey, there you go. The finale nailed it and left me excited for the next season. Love the tournament, especially when Daniel had Johnny join him for a Samantha's fight. That was a great moment. Alma Contreras says, honestly, I expected a little more at the tournament.

[01:40:06] Demetri did not disappoint me. I love that kid. I was surprised that Eli got his mojo back, but very glad. I love the part where he took his shirt off. LL all in all, I like the season. I look forward to Miyagi Fang next season.

[01:40:27] I wonder what did she want? What did you want at the tournament? Maybe she wanted someone to die. You want a stingray to show up. Yeah. Oh, why? I'm an Owen says I was so impressed with the season. I binged 8.5 episodes on drop day finished

[01:40:46] the season on day two. Silver is pure evil turning on the man who saved your life. I guess he struck first. I enjoyed all the callbacks to the movies. The essence of Miyagi is always present. I actually thought Sam was going to win.

[01:41:00] I really hope Tori has a conscience and tell someone what she saw. And man, I can't wait to see what Daniel and Chosen conjure up for Silver going forward. It is so good. I want more like now. I'm ready for the walking dead. Coming soon.

[01:41:14] Wonderful ever show the ghost of Miyagi. I was kind of thinking that's what he was going to see at the grave. I was like, are they talking to somebody? Tiffany Thabault says I have never seen the Karate Kid movies. I know shocking, but I grew up in France

[01:41:32] and although I had heard of it, I guess it wasn't on my radar. So I wasn't keen on watching the series. I started it after listening to Jason and company talking about it on other podcasts and I got hooked. Obviously, there is some 80s nostalgia.

[01:41:45] The fact that the series is unpredictable and highly entertaining. Also, it's good escapism from real life after recommending it to my 15 year old son who obviously refused at first. I also converted him. Our favorite is Johnny. My son says he is a badass.

[01:42:00] I just love that he is stuck in the 80s when I grew up, but also that he is adapting to nowadays. My only negatives are the teenagers, which I find a bit too American cliche to my French tastes. I love the podcasts and although I binge

[01:42:15] watched the series at Xmas, I am still listening to them. I'm looking forward to watching season five with my son this time. Now, that's really cool. But I definitely told her this on Facebook, but I think you guys should watch at least watch Karate Kid. Totally.

[01:42:32] At least the first one. You'll appreciate the series more. Yeah. Yeah. It's full 80s. Your kid watch the Cobra Kai, Jason. Yep. Nico loves it. He doesn't even care about Boba Fett. He just wants to watch Cobra Kai. Wow. Oh, wow. That's cool.

[01:42:49] Mike Mulcahy says love the season and love the coverage. The three of you are the perfect trio to cover this series. Oh, oh, thanks, Mike. Thanks, Mike. Nice. All right. We got a few calls. I wrote Steve Brow, but it's Steve Brown. Hello, Houseboat Cast.

[01:43:07] This is Steve and this is for the last two episodes of Cobra Kai. Well, that's right. Last year, Robbie was Miyagi Doe and Miguel was Cobra Kai and won the championship. Different karate dojos are in the Valley. How big is the Valley?

[01:43:20] I never knew that even when I lived in California. So Kenny is old enough to compete. Oh, and now they're showing the mistakes that some of these dojos are making. This skills competition editing was so fast. It's going to take you guys

[01:43:32] breaking it down to help me out here. The tire devices around their metaphorical balls. Oh, and a great song choice as well. Carrie Underwood. Tornado kick that Miguel just did to win that quarterfinal match. I think Hawk got his confidence back right there. Nice kiss.

[01:43:46] I want to be interesting if Robbie loses this fight and then Kenny fights Hawk in the finals. So we had to have Daniel and Johnny kind of go separate ways, right? That's what that was right there. There was a little exchange before Hawk and Miguel's fight.

[01:44:00] Well, I guess that was the flying tornado kick and it broke his own leg. Oh, it's back again. Oh no, there's the fall and now we go into the final episode. I will try to not make this go long. All the Star Wars stuff

[01:44:11] and even a revenge of the Sith. Kenny, now you're the bully. It was the right decision, Miguel, not to fight. Defense, focus, power. That's the same thing Mr. Miyagi said. Oh, that's good about that. Fight between Eli and Key and Robbie. Death Over Time.

[01:44:25] That was the Michael, Mike Barnes, Daniel Luccio fight. Right? Fight Club, no shirts, no shoes. Okay, are we going to end with these guys being friends again? Oh, Danny and Johnny. That was the flying tornado kick that time. A good fight here. Two, two.

[01:44:39] Oh, Terry Silver paid off the ref. Still a lot of time left and we've got to wrap up Stingray story, right? Oh, Rima or whoever said it last week. You're right, Johnny Lawrence. That's his weakness. Oh, Terry Silver with the mind games and whoa. Oh, here we go.

[01:44:55] We're going to get the return of Mike Barnes because John Crease is going to jail. I set up for next season. All right, can't wait to hear you guys talk about it. Wow. He's a one man. He does that every time. Okay, thanks, Steve. Here's Mike Caruso.

[01:45:15] Hey guys, Mike from Cincinnati again and just wow. I really enjoyed these two episodes. I really liked the tournament. I thought it was really cool. The new format and I was not entirely surprised by the outcome.

[01:45:29] I kind of figured Cobra Kai would win to sort of keep the drama going, but we all know they didn't really win, right? We all know that Terry Silver cheated Miyagi Do out of that, but I just loved everything.

[01:45:40] I finally got what I wanted, which was kind of a form of martial arts somewhere in between Eagle Fang and Miyagi Do. And I really liked that. And I just thought it was so cool that they pulled Miyagi actually into that, like a quote from a previous movie.

[01:45:59] I just thought that was really cool. I didn't see that coming. And I also didn't see Robbie and Johnny making up coming. That really surprised me. Surprised me so much. I kind of thought Miguel was going to walk in at that moment

[01:46:11] and like kind of see them hugging and like run off, pissed off or upset, you know, to kind of rip up the drama. I was just not expecting them to actually make up that one. I liked.

[01:46:22] I also really like where I think they're going with Johnny and Miguel. Johnny was really breaking my heart there, you know, pressuring Miguel to go back out and fight, but he did realize the error of his way is there.

[01:46:35] And I get the sense that like he said he's going to go after Miguel. I kind of feel like he might catch Miguel, catch up with Miguel before he gets to Mexico City. I don't think he's going to turn them around.

[01:46:46] I think it could be like a Johnny Miguel, you know, road trip. We get a couple episodes of them going to find Miguel's dad possibly. And I just feel like that could be a lot of fun and also lend itself to a lot of humor.

[01:47:01] So I'm not 100% sure that that's what they're going to do, but that's sort of the sense I get. Maybe you guys got the same sense. But otherwise, man, it's going to be a really long off season

[01:47:10] and I'm really excited to get back to Cobra Kai for season five. Hopefully we get it a little sooner than next December or early January. Hopefully it's like late summer or early fall or something. That would be pretty sweet since I know they're done filming it.

[01:47:25] But thanks a lot, guys. Really enjoyed your coverage this year and felt really special to be a part of it calling in and everything. So thanks a lot, guys. Can't wait to hear what you have to say. Bye and go Bengals. Hey, they did.

[01:47:38] Yeah, they're in the Super Bowl. Wow, they did it. Yep. That's a good call, Mike. I'm glad that you called in several times this season. It was really fun to have you be a part of it. Yeah. Yeah. We appreciate it. Thank you. I love that.

[01:47:54] Yeah, the Johnny Miguel road trip in Mexico. So Miguel can maybe kind of help him along a little bit. That would be fun. I wonder if we'll get a lot of Miguel in season five though. Isn't he isn't the reason?

[01:48:06] And I mean, I feel like it's part of the story anyway because we talk so much about Miguel's dad since like season one. So it feels kind of natural that finally now he's kind of going on that journey. But also isn't he off to film that movie?

[01:48:20] Oh, is it? Yeah, is he getting? I wonder if that's coming in. I think I heard him talking about storyline in Mexico though, the actor. I think I read him talking about that. So I don't know. I guess we'll see.

[01:48:33] I, Nico, when I was watching it a second time, I watched these all three times by the way this time. And when I was watching it the second time and Robbie was hugging Johnny, Nico's like Miguel's going to walk in. He was worried. Same thing. All right.

[01:48:53] Two more calls. Here's Jonathan Bucalil. Hello, Jason, Richard and of course, Rima another great season from Cobra Kai. I don't know how they do it, but as cheesy as it is, I just love watching this show.

[01:49:07] The old valley was so good and so bad, but I still got chills in most of the fights. And I kept swapping who I was rooting for. I even felt bad for Chris. They really did an amazing job with the fight choreography.

[01:49:21] Plus Carrie Underwood, randomness was random, but awesome. Shirtless Eli and Robbie were very shirtless. And without going to Johnny, Tori looked super hot at the prom. I'm excited for next season in Mexico. Hopefully Miyagi Fang on the road.

[01:49:38] Anthony will have another growth spurt and be huge, but stingray, you broke my heart. Now where can I get that badass red eagle fangie? What a great season. What are we watching next? I bet they're going to be on Etsy if they're not there already.

[01:49:56] Sorry, I didn't hear anything Jonathan said after he said my name. You should listen. I know a little bit of a chill. Real. We just covered jaws on walking dead cast and Jonathan called in and left a story about

[01:50:15] his encounter with a great white shark that was pretty amazing. So really, if you guys like Jonathan's voice, you should definitely fire up that podcast and just skip to the listener feedback section. It's a good one. Okay, one more call is from Ben.

[01:50:31] I'm excited because Ben had been predicting that Miguel was going to be, that Terry Silver was going to be Miguel's dad. And I know he loves the show and he binges the whole thing. But anyway, I'm excited here what he's got to say. Here we go.

[01:50:46] And in the valley, so they say is John Crease his conscience grew three size, two size, half a size that day. Hey, Jason, Rima and Rich Ben here, leaving you some feedback for Cobra Kai season four episodes nine and 10.

[01:51:02] I'm going to try to be as quick as possible because I have a lot to say and I don't want to take too long. First things first, it appears the prediction I had of Terry Silver being Miguel's father was incorrect. And you know what? I'm okay with it.

[01:51:13] I honestly don't think it could have played out any better with Terry not only falling back into a form of his old self by the end of the season, but also him becoming what looks like the real villain of season five since Daniel Johnny Crease

[01:51:24] and maybe even Tori of issues with him. I mean, Tori remains to be seen, but something tells me with the way her character matured over the last few episodes, she's not going to be happy that someone had to cheat to help her win.

[01:51:34] And she's going to want to prove that she can do it on her own. Whether that's with Cobra Kai, Miyagi Do or Eagle Fang. Well, we're just going to have to wait and see. As for Miguel's father, though, what have I said?

[01:51:43] It's not Terry Silver, but it's Mike Barnes. I'm not going to do that. But I'm pretty sure we're probably going to see Barnes and maybe even Snake return as Terry's quote unquote friend or two next season.

[01:51:54] I honestly now have no idea who Miguel's father is, but I think what we are going to see is another separation of Daniel and Johnny's characters, at least in the beginning of the season, not in differences, but physically

[01:52:04] in that Daniel will be concentrating on taking down Cobra Kai while Johnny will be on a bring him home mission to get Miguel home from Mexico. Antics will ensue. And speaking of Daniel taking down Cobra Kai, he may not be allowed to teach

[01:52:16] in the valley, but that doesn't mean that chose on Kent. Holy shit that I yell when the camera panned over and standing there was chosen. I did not see that coming at all. Last note, the All Valley tournament. These scenes were amazing and the matches were unbelievable.

[01:52:32] Carrie Underwood. I could have done without that, though. Way to go from product placement to celebrity placement Cobra Kai. Anyway, as I said, these fights were fantastic and Hawk being the best around. See what I did there was just thrilling.

[01:52:46] Lastly, Daniel telling the announcer that he's being helped by fellow two time All Valley champion Johnny Lawrence. That was a super show of respect. And I got chills when that happened. Classy move, LaRusso. Classy, classy move.

[01:53:00] Great coverage of season four as always and mad props for being able to watch week to week. It's something I'm just not able to do. Maybe I'll try for season five, but I make no promises. I can't wait for season five and your coverage of it.

[01:53:13] It's all going to be top notch. Jason, Rima, Rich, thank you and bye. That was great. Thanks, Ben. Thanks, Ben. Yeah, I forgot. But as he was saying that, I'm like, oh yeah, there's, well, there's Terry Silver, Mike Barnes, the bad boy of karate,

[01:53:33] Snake and their friend Dennis. Snake, who is Snake? He needs a clever nickname like penis breath or something. I know. He's in karate kid three when Mike would bust into the Bonsai shop and start threatening Daniel. There would be two goons with him, Snake and Dennis.

[01:53:50] He was the main thug, huh? Yeah. I signed this. Dennis the Menace. All right, that is our show. Thanks for listening to everybody. Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Dan. Glad you wanted to come join us. See you guys. Enjoy your next episode.

[01:54:14] It was fun if you guys, well, Jonathan asked what's next and, um, well, we're still, you know, working on Book Above a Fet. There's two more episodes. You haven't seen the most recent one yet, huh, Rich? No. I'm going to watch it after this.

[01:54:28] I can't wait to hear what you think about it. Um, but anyway, after that, what is next? We don't really have anything planned for, um, House Podcaska until another one of the shows that we've already covered pops back up.

[01:54:44] I'm looking forward to the Mandalorian if that ever happened. Yeah. Mandalorian, Handmaid's Tale, uh, Yellow Jackets we really loved. Um, but also I imagine we'll cover House of the Dragon and, um, probably Lord of the Rings too. Those are both later this year though.

[01:55:05] So in them there's going to be probably a little gap here once we're done with Book Above a Fet unless something that we've already covered springs back up. Hmm. But if you want to write in, record a message, wow, should we even do all that stuff?

[01:55:20] I mean it's over. Just we'll see you next time. Send it for Book Above a Fet. If you're a, uh, if you're a fan of Book Above a Fet stay tuned, we'll have one out in a few days. All right, that is our show. Thanks for listening.

[01:55:35] Always remember, soap on, crap off. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. So, soap on, crap off. And bye.