26: “Extreme Measures” & “Ouroboros” (Cobra Kai S5E5&6)

[00:00:00] Cobra Kai

[00:00:34] always easier to hide head and sand. You told me you could be bit of a handful sometimes, that you would always fight for what you believed in. And there's nothing you believed in more than your family and friends.

[00:00:51] And what I believe in now is standing up to Terry Silver. It's the right thing to do for you, for me, for our family. Sorry it took me so long to realize that. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason and I'm Daniel.

[00:01:25] And this is Cobra Kai cast. This week recovering Cobra Kai season five episodes five and six extreme measures and Ouroboros. Ouroboros. And as you've noticed, we are one person short, but we're actually not because Richard, what is Richard doing?

[00:01:43] Something to do with his daughters getting ready for his daughter's wedding. Yeah, big wedding. They're in some preparation. So he had to leave. He said he was sorry that he couldn't make it and bummed out to talk about it.

[00:01:53] He left a voice message which I've not listened to, but I'm really curious. So we'll hear that later. But in the meantime, we have a special guest to fill in for Richard and it's our friend Erica. Welcome to the podcast, Erica. Thank you so much guys.

[00:02:04] I'm so excited to be here. Welcome. And everybody else. I love everybody. Well, we love you and Erica is one of the Zed heads in the group. And I noticed like I was just telling her earlier that she'd been liking posts related to Cobra Kai.

[00:02:18] So I'm like, hey, you want to come and fill in for Richard? And you said yes. So I'm glad. And so I wanted to ask you just kind of had you been watching this show from the start, were you a fan

[00:02:28] of the movies and what do you like about the series, that kind of thing? Okay. I am a OG karate kid fan from all the way back in the 18th love it. Love it. I would say karate kid, the original and karate kid too were always my favorite.

[00:02:44] I actually really never liked karate kids. Right? Who could blame you? Come on. Just because I hated Harry. So much. But that just kind of just goes to show how amazing actor he is. But you know, I think I just,

[00:02:59] I loved the beauty of the second one in Okinawa and the history and. Even the love stories that kind of went into there. I love that, but I love it. And as soon as Cobra Kai came out, I jumped right on. I loved it.

[00:03:13] I can't believe what they did with that because just reviewing just the last couple episodes, so much humor, but so much like the thought that goes into bringing a show that's from, like that was based off of a movie from so many years

[00:03:27] ago to make this real amazing story with so many relationships and so many different things. I just love it. It's amazing. And I also rough Machio who doesn't love him. Yeah, who would have known that this show would be so freaking

[00:03:42] good because I when I think I've said this probably a couple of times on the podcast, but when I heard the show was coming on, unlike you karate kid was a favorite of mine. One of my very, very favorites and I thought, wow, this is going to suck,

[00:03:55] but I'll still watch it because I love karate. And then it turned out to be even more. And then it turned out to be even. I mean, I don't know if you'd say even better than karate kid. I think a lot of people would. But anyway, so great.

[00:04:07] It's different, but it's still amazing. Yeah. Yep. All right. We're going to be transparent just like we were back when Ben was on and say that Erica has seen the whole season, but has agreed to do her best not to spoil. And I said, if she accidentally does,

[00:04:21] I can edit it out. So only Rima and I will know what happens. So that's what we're in for. So cover Kai season five episodes, five and six extreme measures and Uraburros. Uraburros is that when the snake is eating its own tail, right? Yes. How does that apply?

[00:04:42] I don't even know. I read it. It's something about affinity. It made me think of the Oran from Never-Owned Story just set like going. Circle. It's going around. But I don't understand what about that episode. Yeah. Uraburros. Oh, well, gosh, you know, I don't even think about that.

[00:05:01] Let that churn in your minds as we podcast. Maybe by the end we'll have come to a conclusion. Yep. Maybe bringing in so many people from the past. It's just going full circle. Yeah. And yeah, something about it's a snake eating itself. So that seems destructive, self-destructive.

[00:05:24] Maybe this whole thing is leading to the demise of Cobra Kai. I guess we'll find out. So I wonder if Cobra Kai will have like restored its name by the end of this, like Johnny will be the head of a new reformed Cobra Kai

[00:05:37] that's world renowned or something. I kind of hope for him. That'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah. So what did you think of these two in general, Erica? You know, just I actually just caught up to the Cobra Kai cast podcast this afternoon. And, you know,

[00:05:56] and I loved all that going back and forth about like even the beginning was like a real slow burn. And then the last couple of episodes they brought him back then, you know, all these cool things. But these last two episodes,

[00:06:07] I'm like, I am so lucky to be here for these because they were just, I thought they were incredible. There was like, the front, what was it? Episode five where the crazy bar fights with the Karens and all this.

[00:06:21] And then this episode where it had all these touching moments and then finally Robby and Miguel like cashing it out, like so much. So I'm like, I have about seven pages of notes that I probably want to look at because there was just so much within these last

[00:06:36] two episodes. It felt like almost like it could have been a penultimate episode, episode six because it was like, all right, what's going to happen? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. God, can it keep up this level? What about you, Rima?

[00:06:51] I mean, my feelings echo Eric is exactly. I thought these two episodes were just absolutely outstanding and for me just is like the epitome of Cobra Kai and what makes Cobra Kai such a fantastic show. It had so much emotion, so much heart,

[00:07:08] had some great humor to it, which we've come to love from Cobra Kai, had some great, you know, cheesy moments as well, which I love about this show. The show can totally get away with it and it works. I feel like some really great

[00:07:23] like fan fiction moments in this episode, which were just fantastic. And you know, if they, if they're not treated right, then it would be bad, but they do such a great job with it on this show. And it's, I mean, you can definitely tell this show is

[00:07:38] a show made by fans for the fans. You know, these two episodes, I mean, I'm still, I saw our fresh tears from watching the last episode and I might have cried even harder the second time than I did the first time. So many moments. Yeah.

[00:07:53] I mean, even knowing what was going to happen and what they were going to say. So, I mean, it was just fantastic. How does that work? Why does that happen? I don't know. I don't know. But I loved them. Yeah. Like after watching that first one

[00:08:06] and thinking, oh, that was okay, but it feels like this series is starting to get kind of played out and then going on Rotten Tomatoes and seeing that it had a 100% seeing these two episodes. I'm like, okay, that's why. Yeah.

[00:08:20] Yeah, man, these are some of my favorite episodes of this series ever. And there was a lot of intensity at times and moving like you said. I mean, I felt choked up and I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that I'd say this, but after last week,

[00:08:33] it was really good to see Daniel getting the respect and support I always thought he deserved. That was just like a major part of both of these episodes. So I freaking loved it. Awesome. All right. Erica, point number one. You know, just because I said,

[00:08:51] I just finished watching doing a rewatch of episode six. I'm just so stuck in that the final moment where Amanda brought Daniel back to the Mr. Miyagi shrine. And I'm sorry if I'm going completely backwards, but it's fine. It's kind of, it's where everything starts.

[00:09:07] Everything that you know, the motto for Miyagi Doe where everything is just kind of comes from Mr. Miyagi. And Daniel is like at rock bottom. He's been beaten to a pulp emotionally, physically. He is just completely throwing in the town is done.

[00:09:24] And his friends come together and how can we help him? He's like, well, he needs Mr. Miyagi. And what does she do? She takes him to his shrine that he has now doesn't go there anymore. It's this time capsule. Which that's right by where they always fight.

[00:09:40] So like really you never go there. Haven't we seen you come out? He doesn't go in there. And I'm like, but when you go in there, you see like, you see this watering that bonsai. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah. Maybe Sam is helping out a little bit,

[00:09:55] but going in there and seeing the beautiful light, seeing his love there, seeing his sign to paint the sign, paint the house what he left. I just was like taken right back into, you know, when I was a little kid watching that,

[00:10:10] I'm like remembering Pat Merida and then just thinking about what this movie means and what the show means and what this also just means to Daniel. And I just like, wow, this is it. And then when Amanda shared that story about what Mr.

[00:10:25] Miyagi said during their wedding day, she was able to bring a message from Mr. Miyagi to Daniel. And I'm like, this is it. This is wow. And then now the music just swelled. And I just like right now, I'm like,

[00:10:37] I have chills still because I just watched it. And I just like that is the high note that we needed to end on after such a horrible thing that he ended in on episode five. Yeah. Riding on the ground. Yeah.

[00:10:50] It's so, you know, I just wanted to bring that because like I'm like, yes, this is where I'm at. And I think we're right at that peak right now. Yeah. That's great. That I was just tears are welling up for me in that moment.

[00:11:03] I'm not ashamed to say it. And and you mentioned, it's like we're hearing from Miyagi. And that's another moment that had me choked up too was when Kumiko read from a letter from Miyagi back in season three,

[00:11:20] you know, and so yeah, it's nice to just get a little hit of Miyagi every once in a while and remember where all the good stuff comes from. Okay, Rima. Well, let me add to that because with that moment, you know,

[00:11:39] we have what is going on with Amanda and, you know, she had left the house with the kids, you know, wanting to completely get away from all of this. And, you know, to be fair, because I'm going to defend

[00:11:55] her just a little bit, you know, Daniel has gotten a little bit more and more unhinged with each season. You know, it's completely valid. You know, I'm not saying he doesn't have a reason to and she not having that familiarity.

[00:12:10] I mean, she kind of like she said to her cousin, which I'm sure we'll talk about, you know, she's like, oh, I got the highlights, but she didn't really get that full context and that context can really change, you know, a lot of things.

[00:12:21] And now she really understands how bad it really got with Terry and how dangerous he really is. And, you know, knowing how that affected Daniel and why he is kind of just like kind of crumbling and falling apart. And she recognized that he needed some inspiration

[00:12:41] and he needed to get that fight back and that she was willing to join the fight with them too was such, I think a great moment. And I think I mentioned it in the last episode when we talked because I was very critical, I know of

[00:12:56] Daniel and his behavior towards Terry. Not that he likes it didn't have a reason to. I just didn't think he was going about it the right way. But and I had mentioned that he's kind of out of balance because he doesn't have Mr. Miyagi anymore.

[00:13:14] You know, Mr. Miyagi always had, you know, that special way of really getting through to Daniel and Daniel hearing him, you know, Daniel, you know, can sometimes be a little hot headed and he doesn't always hear or he's receptive to what people tell him.

[00:13:27] But Mr. Miyagi always had a way of getting through to him. And what I really loved in this episode was that they used Amanda as that conduit to kind of reconnect Daniel with Mr. Miyagi. And as you mentioned, Erica kind of speak

[00:13:41] through him, kind of hear those words that he said to Amanda the night before their wedding. And I think it's nice because, you know, Amanda is obviously very meaningful to Daniel and, you know, and having her in his life is very important to him.

[00:13:57] And, you know, they have the shared history and that is really important. And they have that real special connection. And I think using that relationship between Amanda and Daniel to connect with Mr. Miyagi was, I think, wonderful. That scene was, I think just amazing.

[00:14:18] I just, I was a mess. So at some point, I can't remember if it was Amanda or Samantha said he doesn't have Mr. Miyagi anymore, but he has us. And I thought, yeah, I thought about what you said too about how Miyagi would ground him

[00:14:37] and help him focus and everything. And he doesn't have that anymore. And, and yeah, he's prone to being triggered and being reactive. And he needs support. He needs support of his loved ones. And so they do that for him now. Yeah. And they're, they're doing it.

[00:14:55] And they weren't really doing it before, but they're here now and they fill that role. So I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah. It's nice. It's beautiful. And if they were going to do anything with an Emmy, that would be the clip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:13] Like, I mean, when we decided to podcast about this show, you know, it's a light show and I had podcasted about Ash vs Evil Dead, which is my favorite gore comedy, you know? And so I knew, and we did British Bake Off.

[00:15:30] I knew you could podcast about anything. So it's a comedy. So fine. But now I'm just like, no, it's freaking meaningful. It's deep. All right. Yeah, it is. I mean, I don't know. That's what makes it so great. It's got so much heart.

[00:15:47] I don't know if my favorite is that, is it the humor or the harder is it both? It's just so good to watch. It's a combination. It really fired on all cylinders. They just kind of struck lightning with this. It'll be interesting to see because the two showrunners

[00:16:00] are doing, they're doing a Ferris Bueller spin-off with the two drivers that took off in Cameron's car, the valet drivers. What? But it'll be interesting to see what they do with that. All right, that just hooked me. So anyway, my first point is standing up for what's right,

[00:16:18] even when it's hard. So I'm really happy that Amanda came around on Daniel. I did feel judgmental of her last week when I thought she wasn't really listening to him about what Terry's like. But I also could understand that given what she's been

[00:16:32] through with Daniel, being all obsessed with showing up his rivals, especially when he was so obsessed with stopping Johnny from carrying on with Cobra Kai and now Johnny's his buddy. And it's like, you did this with Johnny, now he's your buddy and now there's another guy.

[00:16:49] I mean, there was Chris. So maybe that should have, you know, Chris is a bad guy. But anyways, I can understand and she didn't fully understand what Daniel went through with Terry as Rima was just saying. She didn't know that Terry is a psychopath. So it's different.

[00:17:05] But we know that. That's the thing. We know, we know what Daniel went through. We saw Karate Kid 3. We know Terry Silverwell enough to know that he planned the whole charity event to try to mess with Daniel and that he lied to Amanda when he told her

[00:17:20] that Daniel sent Chosin to beat up his guys and that we know that Daniel barely touched him when he flung himself into those bonsai trees. And you know, we also know that he terrorized him as a teenager and sent guys to beat him

[00:17:32] and his girlfriend up and all kinds of stuff. And so, you know, that's why I feel like, you know, I never thought Daniel should let this go, you know, that he was just being a hothead and taking it too far because I know everything that he went through.

[00:17:49] And I think, you know, I think part of why it can be easy for some people, some people to disapprove of Daniel is because of his demeanor. He seems triggered. He gets knocked up balance. He lashes out in ways that are rude.

[00:18:03] He did that in this first episode that we saw with Johnny, you know, he can be an asshole basically. But I think just because your demeanor is shaky or you seem angry, it doesn't automatically mean you don't deserve support, especially when you're facing your abuser.

[00:18:21] It's really hard to confront an abuser. It can knock you off balance and those are the times when you need support. And, you know, even though he's triggered and not his best self, I recognize Daniel's right about Terry Silver and his heart's in the right place.

[00:18:37] And he doesn't want Silver to expand Kobra Kai and teach all these kids around the world to be aggressive and show no mercy and all that. So, you know, when the chips are down for Daniel and he's not at his best, like I'm still in his corner.

[00:18:53] And so this episode, I found it really, really gratifying to see Jessica. Like she's my spirit animal who also saw firsthand what Terry Silver did to Daniel, just like we all did. Stand up for her. And when she's like, you know, hey, he got past it

[00:19:09] so he can do it again. And Amanda's like, yeah, except he didn't really get past it. Did he? I'm like, okay, I can imagine if Amanda was friends with Luke Skywalker, she'd be like, why are you still so upset about Darth Vader, man? You need to chill out.

[00:19:23] And so anyway, Jessica's like, we just got into a bar fight over nothing. Daniel on the other hand has every reason to hate Terry Silver after all he put him through. And she's like, so you're saying I should cut him some slack and she goes, yeah, that's exactly

[00:19:36] what I'm saying. So I really liked that she was just super straightforward and didn't equivocate about that. And Chosen is, Chosen and Johnny both kind of said the same thing about Daniel because they could tell that he was realizing he might lose his family

[00:19:55] and that wasn't worth it. And they both said, you know, Amanda knows your heart and well, that's what Chosen said. But Johnny is like, I know you'll work it out. And then that whole thing about Amanda telling Daniel she talked to Miyagi.

[00:20:13] He said, Amanda son in life always easier to hide your head in sand. He told me you could be a bit of a handful of sometimes that you would always fight for what you believed in. And there's nothing you believed in more than your family and friends.

[00:20:26] And she goes, and I believe now and what I believe in now is standing up for Terry to Terry Silver. It's the right thing to do for you, for me, for our family. I'm sorry it took me so long to realize that.

[00:20:37] So that was just such a great moment that made my heart swell. For a little while there, he Daniel almost gave up. Well, he did give up because he lost his family left and Johnny reminded him about his family that you could lose them.

[00:20:55] And when Chosen was packing, that was sad. I'm like, oh, I don't want Chosen to leave. And then he's so upset that he failed. I failed you and Daniel's no, you went above and beyond any failures. Mine. That was just a great moment.

[00:21:10] And then when he said defending the honor of Miyagi, though never waste of time. That's also another reminder of the bigger world of all this, you know, Chosen sees it not just as Daniel, but the whole Miyagi legacy and everything. Then but Daniel's like, you know, even when

[00:21:26] they're all like ready to fight Daniel, Johnny and he goes, if he wants the valley, he can have it. I'm done with karate. I became a sensei to help kids instead of making everyone's life worse. Johnny said, what are you talking about? You did help kids.

[00:21:39] I love that. And then he goes, why don't you ask Robbie how much I've helped him? So he's starting to believe all of the bad things that people are saying. He says it's not our job to fight the monsters of the world, which totally reminded me of

[00:21:53] what Richard was like. Everything Richard was saying last week, like, hey, I don't need to get involved in that kind of stuff. I have this like, I know this is a long one. My other ones aren't this long, I promise.

[00:22:06] But I just loved how much support there was like when Amanda said, if we want to mount a resistance, we're going to need Daniel to lead it. That was so cool. And Samantha said, Dad was right. Mr. Miyagi avoided a fight whenever possible,

[00:22:19] but he also fought when he had to. And if you were here right now, I think he'd tell his dad this is a fight you can't walk away from. And, you know, I'm not going to read all these, but there were so many.

[00:22:28] But I'm going to play my favorite show of support because it's so fun. And it's Johnny and chosen together. Going over to the dojo. Here it is. You didn't have to call my canalist myself. I'm not likely silver, very dangerous. Yeah, I know.

[00:22:47] But I'm ready for him this time and I can be dangerous too. Daniel-san told me how dangerous you can be. Did he mention how I kicked his ass back in high school? I robbed him while he was on date. Oh yeah? I pushed him down a cliff.

[00:23:02] I fight him to death. Oh yeah? What are you, a ghost or something? No. Daniel-san showed me mercy. Yeah, sounds like LaRusso. Man, he was such a twerp back then. Real pain and ass, huh? But he always fight for what he believe.

[00:23:17] He never back down from a fight, even when he should have. You know, a few months ago, I saw him take on an entire hockey team. Five on one, he beat him off. I saw him save young girl from Typhoon. He took a man down, the single strike

[00:23:32] to his pressure point. Who do you think teach him that? I love that. Even if it had just been a scene of them bragging about how much they tortured him, it would have been really fun. But then the way it transformed into almost

[00:23:47] talking about him like he's this legend. Oh man. It's just so great. So anyway, I guess I'll stop there. That was one of my favorite moments too. It was a lot. But it was like everyone was just reminiscing about their own Daniel stories and what they

[00:24:09] went through and how they changed because of him or what went on. So it's, it's, it was really poignant but also very funny at times, which just shows you how everybody has grown. Yeah. Where they were. Yeah. I mean, I just love seeing Daniel and

[00:24:25] Johnny act like brothers where Daniel goes over there in the first place. And then he's like, oh, I'm going to like Daniel goes over there and it's a total asshole. And Johnny defuses it, hands him a beer and sets him on a good path.

[00:24:40] You know, like who could have imagined that and it was just so beautiful, such a beautiful moment. And then at the end when they're just, you know, everybody's out there even freaking Robbie, which is amazing. That was all, that was another thing I

[00:24:56] didn't read in my point because I felt like I was going too long about Robbie. And then Johnny looks over it. I mean, Daniel looks over at Johnny. Kind of a special nod between just the two of them, you know?

[00:25:06] But I mean, they're the two stars of the show so maybe that's why but still it was cool. So all right, what's your next one, Erica? How do I go from that? Sorry. I always try to start with like the thing that I'm the most like.

[00:25:22] No, no, I agree. That's it's just like I said these episodes were just so, there was so much and I'm like my brain's going, oh my God, what can I talk about? But if I wanted to just bring in something, you know, the incoming

[00:25:35] of episode six was, you know, the return of Stingray and all of that. And that kind of just brought in this all this more information. So I guess I'll talk about that because he's more of a comic relief but also it's really dark because

[00:25:50] of what happened to him. And but I was looking into some of the things like when he came in and he's coming into the dojo and the way Terry kind of, you know, kind of brought him him and he was like the encompass of the motto of

[00:26:06] Cobra Kai, of loyalty. And I wrote them down but the different models of that and then how he bribed him in the apartment and how he's a kept woman and just to kind of show like what type of character Stingray is and, you know, he was

[00:26:27] beaten to a pulp by Terry, this master manipulator but this horribly violent person and then, you know, bribed him to lie under O to put somebody else in prison to come in and to just kind of live with that guilt. And, you know, but the one thing

[00:26:46] that I just thought was really funny what interesting was the song that he was singing when he was coming in from his car when he got into his apartment was called, let me see I wrote it down something that something about Judas I'm going to find it.

[00:27:00] I thought I read it was there was a wrestler that uses that as like their intro song. Yeah, it was Jericho. Is it Jericho? Okay. Which I'm like, oh come on, you can't get any more douche here. It's like here he comes

[00:27:14] singing this song about being a Judas and kind of is and he is a Judas and then when Daniel went to confront him you can definitely see the guilt in his face and then even when he went to when he fell and, you know, it just

[00:27:33] that's right that was episode five I apologize. But yeah, I just I thought was oh here it is Judas is in my mind by Jericho from wwe but I just thought it was really interesting to just kind of bring in this character who was a comic relief but

[00:27:49] if you really look in deep down like you know how what a tragic character he is that he had to get to where he can be in Cobra Kai he had to be beaten to the point where he was in the hospital to then become this

[00:28:02] a puppet of Terry Silver. So I really, you know, I hope deep down just even after what had happened to Daniel and his apartment that you know something will happen or something will change because it was really a really upsetting moment

[00:28:18] for me just to kind of see what is going on going down. It's very dark with that particular character because if you think of how he was in the earlier seasons he was more of this like big joke Yeah, I mean

[00:28:30] I was like what the hell is he doing at Cobra Kai and then he gets the car and everything and I'm like okay he's sucking up and I mean I kind of lost some respect for him I mean you have to remember

[00:28:44] that maybe he fears for his life but the way he was playing it he's like yeah I got my cool pad and everything and it's just like yeah you're like chosen said he's a turtle you know he retreats into a shell

[00:29:00] He was kind of hard to read for me a little bit because he came walking up in Cobra Kai and it, I mean I feel like since time has passed and I completely forgot what had happened in the last season

[00:29:10] with that and then I was like oh yeah Terry's one that beat the shit out okay yeah okay so I started connecting all the dots so sad it was sad you know he kind of shifted in these moments I felt like whenever you know Terry Silver

[00:29:24] oh look who's here and he looked kind of scared he's like oh what's going to happen to me now because I mean he's been like a literal punching bag you know since we've met him yeah and then yeah he fell down when I mean

[00:29:36] Daniel was out of line yeah I would say that Yeah, in that moment he also looked kind of he was scared I mean you could tell from what had happened I mean the dude you know spent that time in the hospital he was pretty, pretty beat up extensively

[00:29:52] and yeah I think in Cobra Kai when he first walked in he was really scared but then like saw Terry Silver was like oh it's okay you're cool you're one of us and then he starts to get puffed up again and get that little bit of arrogance

[00:30:04] and then we see him scared again when Daniel and chosen are in his apartment and he's so scared of Daniel he falls back I think afraid he's going to come after him in his playstation Daniel's like are you going to give me a goddamn straight answer and

[00:30:18] he falls down scared on his playstation and then he's like my playstation and Daniel goes who gives a shit about your playstation and chosen and chosen is like oh chill out man and not yourself but it just goes to show the influence of you know Terry

[00:30:36] is like this puppet master of like all these people who are under him and you know in the way he is what he's used him for what he uses even Tory for and even Chris and everybody it's just like all of his victims are starting to kind of

[00:30:54] show around now and I it's upsetting but it's also it's kind of now that the way we're moving and progressing in episode 6 I'm hoping that it's for the better but he's the scary guy he's a very scary guy I think he's a freaking fantastic villain

[00:31:14] oh he's such a good villain I'm enjoying the shit out of him I mean he's totally bad in the show but I mean he's super fun and entertaining I would never want to meet him yeah he's doing a fantastic job Tomasie and Griffith I just

[00:31:28] you know hats off to that dude and very much in shape the way he the fight between him and Daniel I'm like look at him when he fought Daniel it was so intense and you know I just thought back to Karate Kid 3 and so whenever Daniel

[00:31:48] would get a punch in I felt more excited about that than almost any fight we've seen on this show yeah like you know like for some fights this season I'm like oh yeah that's a cool fight you know but like with Johnny

[00:32:00] and the Australians or whatever in Mexico here I'm just like so invested and then Silver gets the upper hand and beats him to a pulp and I think that was for the story the right thing to happen even though it's really tough to watch

[00:32:16] it's like yeah you want Daniel to be you know you got to hit your lowest low if you're kind of the hero I think Daniel and Johnny are both the heroes of the show but um you know and be the underdog to make it more exciting and everything

[00:32:30] and we're only in the middle of the season so yeah I thought it was great great and horrible yeah okay anything else on that one Erika? no I think that's it Rima well my next point I just wanted to say Johnny is right

[00:32:50] about the power of Olive Garden Bread 6 especially dipped in Alfredo sauce my favorite way to eat them I want some chocolate lasagna oh man people really rag on Olive Garden a lot but I tell you what I know it's not authentic or anything but it's

[00:33:12] have a good time soup salad and breadsticks I mean come on right now he worked he was a walking commercial yeah he earned that tip so hospitable yeah well I loved Johnny's efforts trying to get Miguel and Robbie to kind of get over their shit and this

[00:33:44] I mean this is where you can really tell for me anyway I mean there's so many things but this is definitely an indicator for me that this show is really getting ready to kick into high gear for the second half because you have this massive shift

[00:33:56] between Robbie and Miguel and their relationship I mean these two haven't gotten along since the beginning for so many different reasons they're both two of the strongest male fighters out of the kids they've dated the same girls they share a father slash father figure

[00:34:14] and because of that last point because they both kind of share Johnny they can't completely avoid each other I mean it's interesting because they share a father but you're like well yeah they share a father well not all but a lot but the thing is that Robbie

[00:34:28] and Johnny are actual father and son but have had this horrible relationship and then Miguel comes in so to Robbie it looks like Miguel's taking his place and Miguel looks at well I don't know but Robbie almost killed Miguel so anyway I'm sorry

[00:34:44] Miguel actually kind of took over that place of Robbie because remember like you know when Johnny wanted to be for Robbie he pushed him to his side so he had Miguel so there's always this you know they couldn't connect at one point but yeah so Johnny actually making

[00:35:02] an effort with both of them and in a ways that they can both see probably helps a lot in them getting together because they can see that he loves them both that one is not a threat to the other as far as Johnny's concerned

[00:35:14] you know they don't have to compete for his love like you're in an escape room and you drop the key and you have to go to the garbage disposal and glue the window shut so yeah because because of that you know they're not able

[00:35:28] to completely avoid each other they keep bumping into each other's lives or in their lives because of Johnny and now we know but they don't know yet that they're getting ready to share a sibling right we know that Johnny and Carmen are getting ready to have a baby

[00:35:46] and so we're going to have a little inspiration from Daniel to just go full old school which was so cool to see Johnny you know kind of go back to his old ways a little bit for the sake of Miguel and Robbie

[00:36:02] and just decides to let them just fight it out and honestly maybe it wouldn't have been such a bad idea for him and Daniel to just kind of do the same I mean I don't know this when back when they were kids

[00:36:14] yeah that's what that's what Johnny said and I'm like no Johnny kicked your ass twice like you had no chance well I mean once he was trained you know I think he kicked his ass when Daniel wasn't fully trained yet you know obviously the skill

[00:36:32] skill set was off Johnny still had more skill I mean Johnny was pretty talented you know and he definitely had the years and yeah a little bit bigger but you know at least you know I don't know I still think it would have

[00:36:46] at least benefited them even if he had gotten his ass kicked I mean Robbie got his ass kicked and you know they they came together but I really liked the fight I thought it really made their skills shine and the apartment complex was a great backdrop

[00:37:00] I thought for the fight seeing Miguel really go at him you know and how fierce he was getting and then there at the end when they were up on the second floor you could really see that rage coming out like Miguel was he was just

[00:37:14] really taking it out on Robbie and I was really scared for a moment we might have a repeat of when Robbie I thought surely I was like Miguel you're my boy I know you're not you got too good

[00:37:24] of a heart I know you're not going to throw this kid off of the balcony but to see that flashback I was like please don't let him go there but man in his face he was so full of rage and just in that moment when he kind of

[00:37:34] had that flashback himself that was a traumatizing moment for Miguel I mean remember how terrible that was I mean we all were just like dead or something when that happened yeah Johnny had to like wave a porno mag over his head to get him to walk but instead

[00:37:52] they ended up having you know a real and honest conversation with each other about you know that fight that they had at the school and Robbie explaining exactly where his mind was at that day basically you just said I was so mad I was blind I couldn't

[00:38:08] I was thinking that's it you know right admitting that that was also one of his like the worst moment of his life you know that was I think really big of him and he shows how much he's grown and I really love that both of them were

[00:38:22] super excited when Johnny let it slip that there was a baby coming and that they were actually excited I know I was wondering about that I was like I wonder how they're going to react and that was exactly what I wanted

[00:38:32] and it was genuine and it was great and I definitely you know again another tearful moment I think I was crying every like couple of minutes watching these episodes but that definitely that was one of them so I love that I love seeing Miguel and Robbie on the

[00:38:48] on the same side yeah having them find out about the baby and also become friends this early like you said maybe it means it's gonna ramp up from here on but I really like that this show doesn't waste any time like a lot of other shows would take

[00:39:06] a whole season for that and they just there's not a lot of filler you know it's cool pleasant surprise um yeah I liked the whole escape room and he puts the key in the garbage disposal what the fuck that's not good for the garbage disposal and they have

[00:39:28] Bon Jovi's young gun it's the plot of young guns too as soon as he said Lincoln County war I knew exactly what was coming next and when Miguel's grandma comes in I am Billy the kid and I have a riddle for you and when she said in Spanish

[00:39:54] I screwed up and Johnny said no Rosa I did I'm like okay Johnny's we know he's growing we know he's learning Spanish he knew what she said you know he's just growing in all kinds of ways having them fight I'm not sure

[00:40:08] Dan he said it was Daniel's idea I mean it kind of was but obliquely like Daniel said hey maybe we should have fought and then he also said maybe you should go back to some of your classic Johnny ways or whatever old school Johnny

[00:40:22] so I guess if you put two and two together I don't know if Daniel would have approved this I think it was probably a pretty bad idea can you imagine if Carmen came out and saw what was happening after she knows that Robbie almost killed Miguel

[00:40:34] obviously she was at home you would not do that he Johnny knows better than that oh yeah you're right it's so smart to just wait till Carmen's not there to have the two kids fight each other I'm sure she'd be fine with it

[00:40:50] I mean Johnny got lucky here if Miguel had gotten hurt I think that would have been the end of his relationship with Carmen if she found out that he had these two kids fight and you know the kid that almost killed her son he put them in

[00:41:06] another fight and then Miguel got hurt again but it was fun and I enjoyed it and I actually thought it was kind of cool that it worked you know the other things didn't work but this actually did I like that this show is not

[00:41:22] always like safe or PC or whatever so I don't think it was smart of Johnny to do that but got a ganda to him and actually worked didn't seem to get beat up too bad what did you think of it Erica? yeah I mean it was

[00:41:36] it was a very intense martial arts scene like the choreography was great the blocking was great I held my breath when they were on the balcony I laughed when he was starting to use the bull horn and kind of direct that but

[00:41:50] the editing from when they spliced in the footage from when he fell off of it I was like well yes that's exactly what was popping in my brain when he was on the balcony and Robbie was over there so it was intense but you know it was that

[00:42:08] it was that whole eagle fang was coming out of it they had to do it they had to try this he tried every other ways but I enjoyed it so much I actually one of my favorite lines from that whole

[00:42:20] like kind of just the plot of Johnny to get his boys to kind of connect and to forgive each other was when he was doing his intern editing and just kind of figuring out what he can do and really what it was is something

[00:42:34] he would have done without doing any of the research and they got there all of Garneande anyway so it was really it was wonderful I thought it was great and it was you know it wasn't it was amazing I think it just it really worked for the show

[00:42:52] I mean I'm a lot more forgiving of this kind of thing for this show because it's a show it's a karate show and everybody fights all the time and even Amanda got into a bar fight so I mean if something like this happened in real life

[00:43:06] I don't know like it was kind of like the time Johnny told Amanda to jump onto the other roof what if she fell and killed herself but it's goprikai so alright yeah it was fun it was the best alright I think it's my turn so

[00:43:26] I thought it was interesting like I do as much as I stand up for Daniel I do think that he he gets bent out of shape pretty easily I mean he's gone through some serious stuff but still and he can be

[00:43:44] a jerk like I said and not his best self and here at the beginning it was interesting to see him looking at a picture of his family and he's drinking whiskey it just looks so down and out and then when he goes over to stingrays and he's just

[00:43:58] all up in his face and just so aggressive with him and then he goes over to Johnny's and he's all frantic I think Silver paid stingray to lie about Kreese's attack he's driving your old Cobra Kai car what and Johnny's like what

[00:44:12] what are you doing here and then you got you got to help me get him to flip we could take Silver down for good no I wash my hands of the Cobra Kai thing when we lost the tournament and then Daniel gets aggressive you started Cobra Kai

[00:44:24] and Johnny's like I got Robbie out of there increases in jail that's two wins as far as I'm concerned best to leave well enough alone and Daniel's like what about all the other kids and that's where I'm like yeah his his way of being is like dude

[00:44:42] chill out but his heart's in the right place and that's where his heart's in the right place you know what but he's like still he's they're about to fight it felt like what what happened to this strike first badass do I need to kick his ass to wake

[00:44:54] him up or was just one tournament loss all it took to turn you into a pussy and then Johnny thinks like it looks like he's gonna fight him but then he's like what are you doing which I thought was so cool what's going on with you man

[00:45:08] yeah and and it's great that Johnny is at the level where he knows that's not even like even though Daniel can be out of sorts fairly easily or knocked off balance or whatever he this is even further you know Daniel Johnny knows that Daniel's got a good heart

[00:45:28] and he's like you are messed up right now you smell like booze you're picking a fight with me here's a beer and then to Daniel's credit like that's funny how you can do that in a real fight with someone sometimes you just like sort of shift the tone

[00:45:46] a little bit like and they're like wait a minute what are we doing here and then if the other person goes you're right what are we doing that's always a win so anyway that was a great moment and then Daniel told Johnny that a man to left

[00:46:00] he's like hey you know you're a strong family man that always annoyed me about you but you'll get past this as long as you keep your head out of your ass and I really think that was a turning point for Daniel

[00:46:08] that's what convinced him to give it up to realize that I think I have something we're fighting for here but it's not worth losing my family over and so and also Daniel really did not need calming down and Johnny calmed him down but ultimately

[00:46:24] Johnny's really the one who needed the nudge here I think two both of them but later Carmen says I didn't know you and Daniel were working together again to Johnny and he goes we weren't but I think we might need to

[00:46:36] and that was interesting to me because that was even before Silver beat up Daniel Johnny was still thinking he might maybe he thought about it and thought he might actually help him which I thought was cool but then once Terry Silver beat him up

[00:46:48] I think that's really what got everyone rallying rallying to his side anyway I just wanted to spend a little time on how yeah Daniel can really spun out okay Erica so I just want to go back and just talk about how happy I was to see Robin

[00:47:14] Jessica Andrews my teen witch and also I just loved how they tied her into the story that she's Amanda's cousin and that just gave us that back story of how Amanda came into the picture I just thought it was really clever huge click to the point and

[00:47:34] that way it allowed Jessica to be a part of the show again without it just you know oh I'm just in town you know yeah just for people who don't remember or don't know because they didn't see Karate Kid 3 do want to explain like who she was yeah

[00:47:52] Jessica Andrews was oh goodness it's been such a long time since I seen it but she was the love interest from Karate Kid 3 did she own the plant shop no she owned the pottery store across from the plant shop yeah I could watch it for a long time

[00:48:08] so I know so yeah so Daniel and Miyagi decided to start a bone size store and she had this pottery shop across the way it was her aunts and Daniel went over there to get some pots and she was actually really flirty with him

[00:48:22] asked him out and then they went out but then I think when they went out she said you know my boyfriend called and we're going to get back together so can we just be friends and I thought that was so funny and weird because that movie

[00:48:36] is not a good movie and I think that it's fun to watch but I felt like okay he gets a new girlfriend every episode so the or movie so they didn't want to like repeat that but then you found out later that because she was like 16 and Ralph

[00:48:52] Machio was like 29 or 28 or something he wasn't comfortable with it so they changed the story so anyway they ended up just being friends throughout the whole thing and you know Terry Silver and Mike Barnes Terry I mean Mike hitter punched her at one point

[00:49:08] so they terrorized both of them but she was supportive in Daniel's corner and I mean he was like really spun out in that movie too and she was like okay oh okay and then there was that scene where they went dancing and Terry paid some guy to

[00:49:26] like I think hit on her aggressively and then Daniel went in because he'd been Terry had been training him to be super aggressive and I think he palmed the guy in the face or punched him in the face and broke his nose

[00:49:40] and she was really turned off by that I think it's been a little while for me too but anyway yeah so I agree I thought it was cool that they connected Amanda directly to one of the movies now also it's just to bring back that scene

[00:49:54] and not just on Robin lively but also it allowed Sam and Anthony to connect and kind of also for him to finally talk about how Kenny is his bully and you know and how she can help now help him so he doesn't have to have his sister

[00:50:10] you know take over that so I was glad they finally you know started to talk about that because man I'm tired of seeing it it's awful yeah I was happy because when he tried to tell when Anthony tried to tell Samantha about it before she wasn't really listening

[00:50:28] so it was nice to see her show a little support like hey why didn't you come get me because she was watching that video of Kenny bullying Anthony and speaking of Kenny I also thought it was cool when Robbie said to Daniel hey I should have listened

[00:50:42] to you about Korbacay I didn't understand until I mentored someone myself and now he's with Korbacay so that really made me believe that Robbie would stand behind Daniel in that moment you know because now he kind of understands so anything else about Robin lively?

[00:51:02] I was just very happy to see her I hope we see more of her. I do too well I was going to say you think we will but you know I forgot Reema good job it's a good answer well I think we've covered probably a lot

[00:51:26] just in conversation and I hate to repeat but one thing that I did notice and is in my notes was there was definitely you could definitely see that growth there was a theme of growth for me in these episodes and

[00:51:44] you see it throughout it's like this is the only time it's happened we see it shift from time to time but it really stood out for me in this episode you were talking about Samantha and Anthony man we dogged Anthony so hard

[00:52:00] at least sorry I'll speak for myself I know I did really hard I did in the first couple seasons yeah so he was a little twerk he was a little brat entitled and spoiled okay go away and he did for a little bit and then he came back

[00:52:20] you went to finishing school but I liked seeing the growth in him this episode as you mentioned when he was talking about being bullied by Kenny he's like well I kind of deserved it because he bullied him he was a real jerk to Kenny

[00:52:36] and kind of contributed to why Kenny is how he is you know and how he was easily manipulated and brought into Cobra Kai because that's what Cobra Kai you know does it's like what oh well not really with Arby I'm trying to think of who oh Hawk

[00:52:56] couldn't think for a minute you know being in that same situation and that's kind of how they lure them in you know this is going to make you strong so make you a badass and I was going to pick on him even Johnny like his dad

[00:53:08] messing with him you know right we learned the backstory with Johnny and that's kind of how he got enveloped into it too so it was good to see that moment of growth for Anthony I think Sam has had some growth this season as well

[00:53:24] you know with what she's went through so I really liked that she in that moment group had that moment and kind of grew as well and realized that you know she isn't quite ready to turn away from karate yet she kind of sees where it's necessary

[00:53:38] and she saw in that moment with Anthony that there's a time to stand up to your bullies like there's a time you know it's like maybe and Miguel kind of said it to you like I didn't get into karate to like be mean to people or be aggressive

[00:53:54] I because I wanted to find balance and be a badass so it was kind of like that where he you know he also had that moment Robbie had growth as well from you know in that moment with Miguel when they were fighting he's like I'm sorry

[00:54:10] you know that I just I just saw red and I flipped out and I'm sorry it was the worst moment of my life too and then in that moment with Daniel you know there at the end so all these all these moments Johnny

[00:54:24] for crying out loud you know we touched on it a little bit you know seeing that change in him when he knew that Carmen was pregnant and you know he's doing all the weird parenting things and baby-proofing the house and buying new furniture

[00:54:36] and stuff and to see how the script kind of got flipped in this episode between him and Daniel where Daniel is you know kind of on the edge and Johnny's the one reeling him in and he's the one defusing the fight he's the one with the wisdom too

[00:54:54] and he's giving Daniel the perspective you know that he needed in that moment I'm like what is going on here you know it was just and I think that happens too I mean in relationships all kinds of relationships if one person is spinning out

[00:55:10] then you're hoping that the other person's feeling grounded so they can help and they can go both ways you know but yeah but Johnny in particular like he wouldn't have had the wherewithal to be that kind of person for Daniel or anyone else

[00:55:22] probably a couple of seasons ago no he's really gotten to a peaceful place and it's been really interesting and fun to watch you know Cobra Kai I think kind of started as like Johnny's show but Daniel's always been the heart and it was kind of good

[00:55:42] to see how things have shifted a little bit with them and you know how one thing that I loved so much about this too is that all the other seasons every time Daniel and Johnny have come together it's been because of a common goal

[00:56:00] oh we gotta you know defeat Crease or oh we gotta do this but at the end when Johnny showed up at the end of the episode it's honestly just because Daniel needs him and I think that's the first time that we've ever gotten to that kind of place

[00:56:14] and I was just like oh god it just makes me tear up thinking and that you know Daniel is you know everyone in this story Daniel's everyone's hero and he's the heart and how everyone you know was kind of rallying

[00:56:30] and just seeing that growth of all of our characters just loved it I mean I actually I would slightly disagree I think if I had to say if I had to pick a person who show this is Cobra Kai I think I would say it's Johnny's show

[00:56:50] I mean it's a ensemble cast and everyone has their stories and their moment to shine but Johnny to me feels like the main character if there is one you know but I'm always Daniel's always my favorite character so that's probably another reason why I'm digging this storyline because

[00:57:10] it is very Daniel focused and right now it kind of does feel like his show again you know maybe for the first time which is fun for me but I freaking love Johnny too and Cobra Kai turns everything on its head and it's called Cobra Kai

[00:57:22] for crying out loud so I think you know that it's and John and William Zab because so great that it's totally fine with me if overall this is Johnny's show it's a great show you know I don't need it to be

[00:57:36] Daniel's show but it is kind of fun that right now it does feel more like Daniel's show at least for these couple episodes that's my take on it anyway another thing you mentioned about Amanda coming to the side of Anthony

[00:57:54] it was cool that she offered to train him with no chores so I think that's going to happen you know we'll see Anthony finally learn some karate from Samantha I'm interested to see how much this actor knows I know huh well they'll train they train them all

[00:58:12] it'll be good rather than just sitting there and paying people to do his chores let's see him actually yeah yeah because he anyway yeah I was gonna say like he was such a no-nick in the first season or two and even recently bullying Kenny

[00:58:34] and paying someone to do his chores he's been kind of annoying but he's I think been steadily more watchable and able to elicit compassion and stuff like that I kind of figured they might do that too from the start like I hoped that he wouldn't just stay this

[00:58:52] total annoying guy who orders new whatever Nintendo switches from his Alexa or whatever it was I forget what it was okay Erica got any more well you know we had a nice little surprise like we finally have the return of crease and in Tori and

[00:59:12] how what is this going on with him I think just between the two episodes just when there was a surprise at the end of five you see crease on the other side of Tori in the prison and you know you could see

[00:59:28] that she's so conflicted like she doesn't want to be there anymore you could see she doesn't want to be in Cobra Kai she is upset about being there but he has some type of plan and then when it gets over to the episode six

[00:59:42] and that whole scene with the prison I became very conflicted because I felt very bad for him and I didn't like that very much because he seems vulnerable he seemed like he shouldn't be there but then the whole whatever you could see that he's plotting

[00:59:58] and he holds his own even when he's this older man in a prison he is still able to hold his own within that but he's scary too my goodness but the whole therapy session where they were going back and he was bringing back his

[01:00:16] I wouldn't call him a zeemans but those that he had hurt in the past it was just amazing and the CGI they used for young Johnny was I was like oh my god that is amazing yeah and then just how they used he manifested into his younger self

[01:00:34] when he had that fight with the prisoner at the end I just thought wow just the way they were able to apply all these things from him and he was able to bring back everything to show how tough he is and how strong he is

[01:00:48] really goes to show someone you don't want to mess with and I'm like uh oh what's going to happen I like that like he found out that Johnny got Daniel got beaten up and he's like good one more enemy off the table

[01:01:06] because he was a means to an end and so that's very true to character like he's everybody in the show just about now is against Silver but that doesn't mean if Kreese is against Silver that doesn't mean he's Daniel's friend so I like that little wrinkle

[01:01:22] but you know I was thinking about his intentions um he's pretty intentional with the people who are his enemies but I think deep down just thinking how he treated Tori that I think he intentionally does care about her I do too

[01:01:40] and I don't think he's trying to manipulate her to get him out I think he really Yeah cause she said am I a means to an end too and he said no but yeah I think you're right I think he really does care about her

[01:01:50] but I wouldn't trust him either even if it was that particular situation I don't trust him with other people I do think he has caring feelings towards Tori and I think it was kind of intentional when they threw in the Kreese your granddaughters here

[01:02:04] and she's like hi grandpa hi grandpa you know it could be almost like that kind of relationship you know between them we've seen Kreese go above and beyond for Tori when he didn't do it for other students you know and seeing what he's done

[01:02:20] for her so I do think he does have um a great grandchild type feeling you know towards her and does trust her but I wouldn't trust him with anyone else or you know that he's out looking out for anyone else other than himself

[01:02:36] and the fact that he feels that seems to feel that way makes me feel a little more compassionate towards him just a little I mean I think so when this therapist says you know I know you're just saying what I want to hear

[01:02:52] and get out early you need to think about why you're here in the first place and I'm like yeah because I was framed it's not my fault but um I think the idea is that this therapist is going to help Kreese do what therapy does you know and

[01:03:10] it pointed back to those flashback episodes of Kreese when he was young and seemed like a good guy and I don't remember the details I didn't have time to go back and look into that but it seemed like he was a good guy at first

[01:03:26] and he had that love of his life that got into car accident and he had some really bad things happen in NAMM and just came back a changed person who was angry and taught other kids the bad ways of karate you know so anyway my guess is

[01:03:46] that we'll see more sessions and he'll come to some new I don't know way of being or something were you thinking any of that Rima? Yeah I'm wondering how he's going to play a part in you know we saw everyone coming together there

[01:04:09] at the end in support of Daniel and everyone is united in this fight against Terry Silver Kreese also has it out for Terry Silver so I don't know if he's if that's going to somehow clash I don't know if that's going to be get in the way

[01:04:25] or somehow he's going to be a part of that in some way I don't know I feel like if anybody can do it the showrunners here will figure out a way but I don't know it feels like they're trying to give us show

[01:04:39] a little bit of a human side decrease but also still let us know who he is I mean that whole thing in the jail that was pretty intense and that little smile he had at the end when that dude was like

[01:04:53] he's like no no no no no he's like no what and he's like no sensei and he had that classic Kreese smile and I'm like you're still in there that Kreese that villain is still in there so I don't know I don't know he might get through

[01:05:11] some of his demons of the past as you said but I don't know they keep going on about how this new character has been introduced that we haven't seen yet Kim Sung Young is that what it is? Kim Sung Young or Kim Young Son, Kim Sung Young

[01:05:29] anyway like the one that taught the American soldiers and that basically seems like the originator of this ruthless Cobra Kai teachings that Terry now wants to spread around the world and so I could see if if they're getting to the root of Cobra Kai and then they're showing

[01:05:45] Kreese in therapy that they might try to get to the root of where he went wrong too. That's what the therapist was kind of saying let's try to find the man that you used to be or you know you can be better

[01:05:57] than you are now so I think that's the journey that he's on but I don't know we'll see. Yeah but it was interesting to see how he has been working with Tori, Tori has been working with him nice twist that she's a spy now because

[01:06:11] she knew she wasn't happy with yeah yeah and I'm like okay well that explains why she was unwilling to listen to Robbie at the water park you know because she's like that's a good point. I'm the mole you know and I should have told him

[01:06:29] well I was like don't you trust your boyfriend to say something like I look I've got this thing going on this is what we're doing we're trying to undermine it we're trying to do something but I'm like okay well it gives me a little bit of grace towards

[01:06:43] well I mean these episodes did but I was I felt probably a little hard on or at least internally I was I don't know if I spoke it but I know thinking it that I was feeling a little harsh towards Tori I've always had a little

[01:06:55] bit of a soft spot for her but I was like damn girl you are better than this and feeling kind of critical of her that she was sticking so hard with Cobra Kai and I'm like well now that makes sense you know why she wasn't willing

[01:07:07] to listen to Robby because she has been working with Chris so I mean we don't know for sure if that had started yet but maybe I'm just going to say it did I am I also thought it was cool that Tori and Devin Lee maybe

[01:07:27] were starting to make a connection because they seem like they could be friends but maybe the Cobra Kai aggressive training might stop to that they're forcing Tori to brutalize Devin so anyway it seemed like they were on their way to make a connection until that happened

[01:07:45] who Tori yeah she does I like that moment between her and Devin me too yeah me too yeah I like Devin I'm glad they're using Devin more yeah I liked it yeah we haven't got enough enough of the girls like they can only use a couple girls

[01:08:01] at a time or something on this show let's bring a couple more girls on and build that up but yeah I like their their little budding you know relationship and that they kind of had a moment of connection even though they you know had sparred at the tournament

[01:08:17] and that left some bad feelings but they had that moment where you know we learned that Devin lost her mom to cancer and we know Tori's mom I can't remember what was wrong with Tori's mom but I know she was like chronically ill

[01:08:29] and Tori had been taking care of her and had been working her jobs to support her and her family because her mom was really sick and so it was you know I was glad to see that moment of compassion from Tori

[01:08:43] I'm like you know I know you got it in you I know you got this tub exterior but I know that you're soft a little on the inside and you can be a good person and I think she felt really bad seeing Devin

[01:08:53] you know come in and I Devin's perspective I think is she's just like I can learn from you I respect you I want to be here and learn from you not over here at this like satellite dojo I want to be here at the main one and learn

[01:09:05] under Tori but obviously that's going to spell disaster because she can just get indoctrinated into the whole Cobra Kai way of thinking I hope she doesn't but it's just a dangerous place for all those kids yep someone needs to put a stop to that Daniel's on

[01:09:25] let me see I have one more point and then I'll and then I have notes so I'll go the references and callbacks one so every time I do like things that I think are taken either from other episodes or the movies so Terry gave stingray Johnny's old car

[01:09:47] and you know what that reminds me of right do you guys know no from the movies when someone gave someone a car yeah yeah it was like the evil Star Trek universe version of me giving Daniel the car Terry silver in that moment with Mr. me

[01:10:12] but it was similar right and also not only that but that same night on Daniel 16 birthday he got the patch that he used for his gi and Terry gave stingray a gi with stingray written on it so I think that was on purpose that deliberate connection

[01:10:32] when Daniel went to Johnny for help Johnny said I got Robbie out of there and creases in jail that's two wins as far as I'm concerned best to leave well enough alone and later Daniel gets that article about crease beating up stingray with

[01:10:46] liar written on it and he's like I'm just going to leave well enough alone which is unlike him it shows he's demoralized but that phrase leave well enough and alone is what Johnny said to Daniel as when he was in his skeleton thing about

[01:11:00] ready to beat him up you just couldn't leave well enough alone could you and I mean that was because Daniel poured water on his head so he kind of had a point not worth killing him but anyway that's part of Daniel's character he doesn't like

[01:11:16] they said he doesn't bury his head in the sand he doesn't back down from a fight he doesn't leave well enough alone well enough is not good enough for him never has been so another one Amanda goes to her mom's greeted by Jessica I guess we

[01:11:34] already went through all of Jessica's connection let me see I mean one thing we learned so I'm you know like I mentioned she was his friend in Karate Kid 3 we learned in this episode that at some point later Jessica moved to LA because Karate Kid 3 wait a minute

[01:11:54] where was Karate Kid 3 it was in California it was in California yeah so anyway she said something about when we moved to LA was it maybe that was it I don't know she said something like when we moved to LA and I put you in touch with Daniel

[01:12:10] say Karate Kid 3 was in LA or I guess like where they're at now in Encino maybe and then she in the movie was moving back to Ohio because to be their boyfriend right so and that's where Amanda was visiting her family they were all there in Ohio

[01:12:28] and I guess after Jessica had moved back to Ohio and Amanda had still lived there but then Amanda was going to move out to California I think that's why it was such a cool connection because it's like you know Jessica being her cousin and Amanda going out to

[01:12:42] California or LA not knowing anyone she's like well hey I've got a friend out there Daniel and then boom you know yeah sparks fly he's a hot head like you like he's a little traumatized he's a little bit of a hot head but I think

[01:12:56] you'll like yeah there's a lot about Carl he's really good that's right and when Jessica first saw Amanda in this episode she said where's your old man I got 10 pounds of mac and cheese for him that's because in Karate Kid 3 her aunt made a bunch

[01:13:16] of mac and cheese for her aunt or something but her aunt had something to do and Daniel's like I love mac and cheese I used to eat this stuff by the time that was just a little call back to the movie when Lizzie Ann or Elizabeth is

[01:13:30] woman at the bar Amanda Steiner remember she beat up that car with the baseball bat which is back in what season the last season right for she told Daniel that she beat up a car with the baseball bat when she caught her math tutor having an affair

[01:13:48] with her father and the tutor was in the car when she did it and she got arrested so she was explaining to Daniel why she was helping Tori she felt a self spot for her being troubled youth because she was troubled youth and now she has the

[01:14:04] nickname um Babe Ruthless Babe Ruthless which I love great nickname uh when Daniel's all bruised up and he's in his suit getting ready to go to LaRusso Auto and says it's not our job to fight the monsters of the world not anymore and puts sunglasses on

[01:14:22] that reminded me of after Johnny beat him up on the beach and the next morning he's wolfing down some eggs and orange juice and his mom is there and he's got his sunglasses on and she's like take those off we'll see the baby browns yeah um oh

[01:14:40] we didn't talk about these other senseis we should definitely talk about that but um this one Kim Dayoon with all her sensei lined up behind her and says you wish to fight and Shosen says to Johnny too much advantage they're dojo that's like when Daniel

[01:14:56] and Miyagi went to Cobra Kai to ask Kreese to tell his students to lay off and Kreese was like why don't you settle it on the mat right here and Miyagi said too much advantage you're dojo so I feel like that line is taken right from that

[01:15:06] and then the last one I have Kreese says uh oh no oh yeah he beat this guy up in the jail and said from now on you're gonna give me your Jello you got a problem with that and he goes no know what no sensei

[01:15:20] which is like in karate kid when Johnny Kreese told Johnny sweet the leg you got a problem with that no sensei same thing okay that's all the callbacks you got any more points Erica no I think the only thing I wanted to bring up you brought up

[01:15:42] the Kim Dayoon I believe her name was when their entrance when they came in it was like that spaghetti western I had a very big kill bill feel when they all kind of came in and had an eye patch

[01:15:58] and you know like oh look at these new guys they're coming in and they're ready but um she's she's pretty scary she's intimidating I think she's really good she seems really focused and proud yeah and I think that you know her

[01:16:18] her focus is not so much the money it's about making sure she keeps a tradition of her was it her grandfather's he's the one that taught them all yeah that it can be taught throughout because they start with the surname so if he's Kim Sun Young

[01:16:34] she's Kim Dayoon yeah I'm really intrigued by her she's like wow she really captivates me on that screen so I'm really curious to see how she goes through it the rest of the season she seems so horrible but also just in a weird way admirable

[01:16:54] because she's just so she has so much belief in herself and what she's doing and she clearly will not accept anything less than what she thinks is the best from anybody and when she told Tori that's not brutal enough when she you know you're holding back

[01:17:12] and Tori hit harder to uh Devin it reminded me of Kreese doing similar back in Karate Kid like finish him what are you looking at you know so it's the same teaching but then she whacked Tori's leg and said harder or something

[01:17:28] and I'm like dude this chick is intense she is a pint size badass I mean she's a petite woman but my god uh she's badass I if it were anything else I just I do admire her in a way I can't help it

[01:17:48] there's a quality about her that I admire but I was like oh boy she's she's a little bit bad news though and those cheekbones jeez yeah and uh just bringing in all these Sensei because Chosen beat up all the Valley ones and so

[01:18:10] Teri goes for the best and she brought the best Sensei's from her school is cool because Richard predicted I think well it looks like what's gonna happen it'd be a big battle of all our people against Teri Silver but we're like who's gonna be

[01:18:22] Teri Silver's people and now we know it's these guys and it was great that Johnny and Chosen fought just one of them and it looked like maybe they would have beat him but they had a tough time and Chosen said I beat six Valley guys

[01:18:34] easily but it took two of us to just stand toe to toe with this one so they're just setting it up for an awesome like oh my god how are they gonna pull this off fight yeah that was actually in my notes was you know being concerned about

[01:18:48] what's next because like you just said it took them both just to try and fight that Sensei at Topeka Karate and it's like jeez that was just that was just one of them you know think they're they're all I'm sure and if they're that good

[01:19:04] then think about Sensei Kim she's she could probably take him off who's she gonna fight I don't know do you want to see Johnny fighting her I don't know if Johnny could take her I don't know who I think Chosen

[01:19:20] I think Chosen would have to be the one I think Chosen out of like Johnny and Daniels probably more skilled it was great to see Samantha come because that fight you know they weren't trained at all in the bar they were just kind of flailing at each other

[01:19:38] pulling hair and stuff and then she comes in with her sidekick and saves her mom that was cool it's Jean Claude Van Sam that's right that was great that's funny okay I think we're ready for some notes random notes do you got any Erika um I guess just

[01:20:00] the notes about like now we're seeing what Silver's intentions is to just now start taking over all of the dojos in the valley he's um he's taking over the one um where Devin was at and it looks like he made the arrangements at um

[01:20:20] was at Shabbat I guess or Jewish and there were just and when he came in and the son say there didn't realize he was not only just you know rebranding his dojo he actually was pushing him out so it seems like the plan

[01:20:38] is coming to fruition that he's not just openly opening brand new Cobra Kai's he's going to take over and monopolize everything and everything will be Cobra Kai yeah and he also said to Daniel I just can't wait until I wrap a couple Cobra Kai Ki around your kids

[01:20:54] which was to get and that scene he felt like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi I feel your anger but um just trying to get him to fight but I think he also fully intends to do that totally Devin didn't change her gage

[01:21:17] no she was still her original gage throughout the even through her match with that Tori she was still wearing her gage didn't she show up at the Cobra Kai the like fancy laser one at the end in the black I think she did yeah

[01:21:31] yeah that's when they told her that she's like well I don't know what she's doing here she failed the test and they're like test not for hers for you yeah so yeah she's in the belly of the beast there anything else just a few lines

[01:21:47] from Johnny like when Johnny was talking to chosen and chosen said you know hi and then Johnny just responded with that yes so is that he that's the two movies clashing one and two so great I mean I just like you know I mean there's just

[01:22:07] there's so much that happened within these two episodes it's just like wow you can input then there's just these little you know one-liners that Johnny threw in there that I kind of wrote down like you know the issues opening up Pandora's box I don't know who this Pandora

[01:22:21] is and I don't want to know what they're just you know just bring a little bit humor back into it but I think we definitely hit all those notes I think I put down all right Rima well to tag on to Johnny's fabulous lines because he always has

[01:22:42] great ones and his delivery is just perfection along with the Pandora's box which is I still giggle I can't help it I did some internetting I'm going to get so much use that phrase it is it's mine now I'm going to say it all the time

[01:23:07] and annoy the hell of someone because once you discovered the internet he uses it a lot and I was trying to think how many successes and how many failures this one was kind of a failure what else do you have to tell your son that you're banging

[01:23:21] his mom I don't know if he found anything useful there or about how to handle a new baby I mean he got some good practical tips on how to baby proof his house I think that was good and then there was one other

[01:23:35] big oh it was with Ali like connecting with Ali that was pretty good so I think all in all it's been positive for him the internet did you notice his beer can sculpture in his apartment well he had to drink

[01:23:53] all the beer so he could have the escape room like the jail doors oh yeah that's what it is he had to empty out the beers to be able to make the doors another good line I lied again not my fault you fell for it twice

[01:24:13] and then I wouldn't lie to you three times in one day I love that he's like don't worry Robbie's not here and they come in and then he knocks on the door and Robbie comes in that was so good it played it so

[01:24:31] I just I studied their faces too and they're all just playing it so well especially Miguel he's just like so fed up it was so great that might have fallen you fell for it twice yeah I just I can't with this show his delivery their acting is just

[01:24:51] they're really killing it and I actually did have Sensei Kim and her Sensei's in my notes we hadn't talked about them yet but I did have them in my notes to me it felt like a bond villain moment when Jerry Silver got out of that limo

[01:25:07] it sounded like bond music to me and when they were all getting off of the plane that's to me what it was like she reminds me of one of those badass bond villain babes you've so many because I'm a fan of bond movies you know

[01:25:27] there are some women who are the villains or like the assassins what have you and I'm like she is a badass don't mess with her but I was very intrigued she's a great character I don't know a lot about her yet

[01:25:43] but she scares me but I'm also very intrigued by her at the same time she's good because she's not just vicious she's got this kind of evocative way about the way that she it's not like I'm doing right now but the way she talks it's like somehow

[01:25:59] emotionally engaging or something at the same time terrifying well she was very engaging she has I feel like really bad news but she's also very charismatic I think she's like Terry Silver in a way he's a bad bad guy he's very charismatic and

[01:26:19] you know if he was on the good guy side you know might be might be different but he's been so fascinating to watch he's just he's really doing it for me as far as the villain he's fun to watch and boy watching him pick at Daniel

[01:26:35] and poor Daniel just and he was relying on that you could see how Daniel was kind of flashback having those flashbacks to the moments when Terry Silver was training him he did so poorly in that fight there with Terry Silver was because he was so emotional

[01:26:49] and like when he saw his bloody knuckles and he was recalling that I was like Daniel that's what happens you get all super emotional and he just and that's what Terry was relying on that's why he didn't do so well I think because he didn't have that balance

[01:27:03] so maybe if he's more focused he'll do better will he Erika tell us you don't want to know they go back to the car they go sell cars for the rest of the season I'm excited to find out and then of course just the end

[01:27:17] I know we've talked about the end but to see everyone together I mean like I said just fresh tears like I was just sobbing like a baby when they Daniel stepped outside and Amanda fell in line with the other students and Daniel gets in line

[01:27:33] there with chosen and Johnny and he's looking at all of them and they're all looking at him and then he looks at chosen and he looks at Johnny and then they all bow and Amanda even bowed so I don't know like is she gonna get

[01:27:49] I know that she said she's gonna fight with him but I'm like is she really gonna fight like is she gonna learn something and like really fight I don't know but just such a beautiful beautiful moment just a really good cap on a beautiful episode for me

[01:28:05] it was just perfection for me I especially liked that because they kind of showed that everybody else was coming around even Daniel had lost faith in himself but they all were like we want to fight, we need Daniel

[01:28:21] he'll come around you know we need him to lead us but they kept Robbie in their back pocket they didn't show that and so when Robbie stepped up that was great because there was so much story with Daniel and Robbie early on it just went so badly

[01:28:35] but he did try and he said you know you gave me purpose you helped me I was such a messed up kid and that really got me that was such a great moment I'm so glad like I was talking about the growth moment

[01:28:47] I mean to see Robbie finally acknowledge and give the respect to Daniel and acknowledge that he gave him a chance when no one else did and he believed in him when no one else would and I'm like damn it's about time and I think Daniel

[01:29:03] really needed to hear that especially in that moment so I was really proud of Robbie for that I've given Robbie so much shit over the years too so he's redeeming himself oh yeah I have a few notes are you I'm finished

[01:29:19] I feel like I keep talking and just adding to stuff but I'm finished sorry there's a lot in these two yeah so most of mine have been covered but when Samantha showed Johnny this live stream of Terry Silver announcing the takeover of Topanga

[01:29:37] and Johnny's like perfect we know where he is let's go beat his ass and then Samantha you can't march in there like a one man army until Amanda Sun is right one army one man army not good I come with you that's not what I meant

[01:29:51] that was so I knew who was gonna say that I just love those two together Chosen and Johnny it was so cool to see the one villain Crotty Kid 2 villain roasting Daniel a little bit but then also like admiring you know his heart and talking about

[01:30:13] his strengths and I'm like fan moment it was great and I can leave them on the on the podium the platform just I can't I'll cry again I know I already got the shit again I think when I watched that the first

[01:30:31] time my husband I just held hands we're like this is yes yes it's good two more Johnny said I still think we could have taken him give me a pair of nun chucks and it lights out baby yeah I want to see that you can't bring up

[01:30:49] nun chucks and not show us yeah I gotta see some nun chucks I wanna see Johnny with some nun chucks seriously and then last one Amanda says no offense Johnny but strategy isn't exactly your forte you're more of a blunt instrument he goes thank you William Zabka

[01:31:09] I swear is underappreciated he's gonna be at the convention here in November if I only had another person here to do the podcast with I could have done a live podcast I don't know if he would have been he probably wouldn't have been there for that but anyway

[01:31:29] oh well you never know I never know are you gonna come to San Francisco? let's do it alright we'll talk it's the wrong weekend alright that is our full and comprehensive coverage of those two episodes we'll take a little break there's more to come stay with us

[01:31:49] alright we're back it's time for some feedback alright so Nathan Eshelman says that would have been a little creepy good for a Ralph Maccio for being like recognizing that it was him I mean the way he was in that movie it seems to me

[01:33:01] like he didn't even want to be there yeah he's he was hopping around yeah I think I made that comment when we covered Crotty Kid 3 I was just like why does he even want to make this movie? stay still alright couple calls here's Mike Caruso

[01:33:21] hey guys Mike from Cincinnati again and Jessica's back I wasn't expecting that that one caught me off guard I didn't actually like I knew that when she they opened the door and they kind of zoomed in on her like okay this is somebody I'm supposed to know

[01:33:35] and kind of feel stupid because I just watched Crotty Kid 3 pretty recently and I didn't recognize who she was right away but you know then it clicked eventually and it was kind of funny my girlfriend happened to be sitting on the couch for a lot of that episode

[01:33:49] and we were chuckling because the house that she picked them up at and also the bar that we went that they went to we just thought they captured the spirit of Ohio suburban life pretty well and we got a good chuckle out of it like I said

[01:34:05] I thought the episodes were pretty great a lot of water under the bridge a lot of you know people making amends Robbie and Miguel finally and you know again I've been talking about these fun pairings of all these characters from the movies and you get here

[01:34:27] Johnny and Chosen the main fighting antagonists from the first two films kind of pairing off and sparring verbally if you could say a little bit there having a little fun with that I'm just really enjoying this and all these fun pairings of major movie

[01:34:47] characters it's a lot of fun and then everybody's coming together at the end can't wait to see you know we've been waiting for this for a while it's kind of cool like they're all united now and now what

[01:34:59] also what do they go by is it going to be Miyagi Fang I'm curious to find out I can't wait to hear what you guys thought of these episodes and I'm going to watch the next two like right now

[01:35:09] I can't wait don't know how you guys do it much respect see you next time I mean I have voice messages right here from Mike on 7 & 8 & 9 & 10 I could just play it and it would spoil us no but I think it's going to be Miyagi Do

[01:35:25] given that everyone's like looking to Daniel as a leader right now that's what I think and then last but not least I'm really happy that Richard called in here's Richard's hey guys oh M F G so last week I was

[01:35:46] about Robbie and Miguel and how I really wanted to patch things up then we argued about Daniel being unreasonable and how he was such a hot head and how he was handling silver and in the process lost Amanda Welp we have now once again flipped another 180

[01:36:00] looks like Miguel and Robbie are good to go now everyone's banding together in support of Daniel oh man and then Amanda speak to the dojo and Robbie showing up for Daniel and everybody's ready to fight alongside him now I'll be

[01:36:14] damned if I wasn't over here tearing up a little bit all this love and support for Daniel I guess I still like Daniel when Samantha said so what do you what do you say daddy you willing to fight I'm over here silently saying myself yes

[01:36:28] what a great two episodes that was a pleasant surprise to see Jesse as Amanda's cousin that was that was a clever super interested to see what part Crease and Barnes still have to play in all this man I cannot wait for the next two episodes

[01:36:46] alright guys see you next week nice so great Richard to Colin that was great yeah we did jump on that bandwagon rich welcome welcome to the bandwagon oh boy oh boy I fully support it alrighty that is our show thanks so much for listening everyone

[01:37:14] thank you Erica it was great to have you on I didn't realize how big of a fan you were that was a nice surprise when you invite me thanks Richard for not being available today it's funny I really appreciate it

[01:37:28] it was a lot of fun and I think your guys are awesome so it's nice to kind of be within your mix and just listen to you guys as you work thanks well the feelings we didn't hear this was a lot of fun yeah it was fun

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[01:38:30] it's like two and a half hours long it's amazing it's so good I listen to them all but right now I'm focusing on House of the Dragons of course we're going to cast and as soon as I catch up I'll be listening to Handmaid's Tale

[01:38:46] when I have to listen to Lock and Key I haven't watched the last season yet so but we'll be listening to it soon it's not as good it's still worth watching that's a show that I had a push to but I still want to finish it

[01:39:04] yeah no I mean I like it it's just I loved it before and now I'm like okay but I'm glad we podcasted thank you for the support Erica I appreciate that yeah thanks and I'm so I'm in awe of you guys on House of the Dragon

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[01:40:14] I wrote down is chocolate was on your reel is chocolate on your reel? I want some I'm sure I think it's a dessert