12: Hopes and Fears for Season 2 + Trailer Talk

[00:00:00] Hey everybody, I'm Wendy. I'm Rennie. And I'm Veronica. And this is Dragon Cast, a podcast dedicated to the House of the Dragon. This week we're discussing the House of the Dragon Season 2 trailers and our hopes and fears for Season 2.

[00:00:39] I just want to start out by telling everybody that we are going to talk about all of season one of House of the Dragon. We're going to talk about the trailers for season two for House of the Dragon.

[00:00:50] We're going to talk about articles that have been posted about season two of House of the Dragon. So you may find this a little spoilery and if that's not what you want, totally get it.

[00:01:00] Just come back and listen to our feed next week on the first episode of House of the Dragon. Thank you for joining us. I'm really excited about this. I can't believe it's next week. One more week to wait.

[00:01:13] I thought I would just start us out by going around and talking about how we, what we thought of season one. Veronica, you want to go first? Yeah. I loved it. You know, it's always scary sort of a reiteration of something you loved previously.

[00:01:30] So it felt like a sequel to Game of Thrones. And so I think I had a lot of nerves going into season one, worrying, will it be bad? And I was pleasantly surprised. I loved it.

[00:01:42] I think, I know Game of Thrones is violent, but I did feel like in season one there was some violence that didn't feel like it had a purpose. But there was some violence. I don't even know if I want to call it violence, but just the feminine perspective,

[00:02:00] I think, like these really traumatic birth scenes. Yes. I don't know. I just, man, like you don't see that represented in that way in that much. I don't know. I just haven't seen, I've seen traumatic birth scenes, but nothing like this before.

[00:02:19] And I just, I don't know, it resonated with me. I really liked it. It felt, it felt purposeful. It was shocking, but it felt like it caused a major emotional response beyond just shock. And so I loved that.

[00:02:33] I love that it had me weirdly rooting for like incest. Like what is the show doing? How did it get us all there? I know I'm not the only one. And I love that there's really no one's a hero and that's challenging. And I like that.

[00:02:51] I like the challenge. So I love that. Yeah, I loved it. It definitely has a different feel than Game of Thrones because that really started out like the good guys versus the bad guys. And this is all over the place.

[00:03:06] And the, the birth scenes, that was really interesting because at the same time we had pretty graphic birth scenes in Handmaid's Tale and pretty graphic birth scenes in Yellowjacket. It's all at the same time. I think some of the men in our circles were like, what is happening?

[00:03:28] Like finally let's show this thing that women have been experiencing from the beginning of time. Let's actually show the reality of some of that. Yes, yeah. And I mean I'm a nurse. I definitely am not an OBGYN labor and delivery nurse. I went through those rotations.

[00:03:45] I thought it was fascinating but definitely not for me. But I love it. I love that we're showing that stuff. Yes. So I so agree with you Veronica. And for me Game of Thrones the show was not feminist.

[00:04:05] Whereas House of the Dragon is just one big critique of heteronormative patriarchy. Hooray! And so that's one of the reasons why I love it. But I loved it from the first opening scene of season one with Raniera flying above

[00:04:23] the clouds on Cyrax and that was such a beautiful shot. And really from the very beginning the Dragon CGI has been better than anything that we saw in Game of Thrones. And I love seeing all the different dragons and I, perhaps because I'm a book reader,

[00:04:42] I know some people had trouble with the time jumps in season one but I didn't have trouble with them. And I loved seeing the major characters played by different actors and I thought that they

[00:04:54] all did such a great job that those are just some of the things that I loved about season one. I was definitely one of those that had a lot of trouble with the time jump.

[00:05:10] I remember I went into this knowing nothing, hadn't even seen a trailer and was like, I want it to stay that way. Loved it so much and then when the time jump happened I just became irrationally angry about it.

[00:05:25] I mean really it got me and I was still watching but I was still upset about that and I just think it's because Game of Thrones was even though they got criticism that the ending

[00:05:40] was rushed, it was a very slow moving show and we got all those nitty gritty little details and we saw all that stuff. And I wanted that missed time from the time jump. I was so invested in those characters after only four episodes that I really was upset

[00:06:00] about it. And then I think I got COVID and I rewatched the whole series from beginning to end several months later and I was like okay I've accepted this now and I liked it a lot more the second

[00:06:16] watch because I think I just stopped trying to compare it to Game of Thrones and took it for what it was and it is so well done. And the new characters are so good too.

[00:06:29] I struggled too Wendy and I think for me it was just that Millie, I mean I love the portrayal of Rhaenyra that Emma is doing as well like absolutely hands down fantastic.

[00:06:42] I think Millie was just too good though like I didn't want to let go of her so soon. I want them both really is what it is. It's not that one is worse or better I just didn't want to lose Millie and I

[00:06:55] think that's where I struggled so much and I think if there had been more time like you said maybe it wouldn't have been hard but maybe I would have been even more in love with the character. So I agree on the rewatch it was easier.

[00:07:08] Yeah and the young Allison they were so good. I did not want to lose them. Yeah true I totally agree with it. One of the things I really liked about season one was and shout out to my sword fan fellow

[00:07:25] sword fan Rima seeing Dark Sister for the first time because Dark Sister is a legendary blade in the whole Song of Ice and Fire universe and this is the first time that we have seen

[00:07:45] a visual representation of it 3D one anyway many artists have painted it and that was just so cool. And I loved Matt Smith as Damon so much my first response when I heard the casting was

[00:07:59] are you kidding me but he just owns that role and he portrays the well Damon's called the rogue prince and he has charm and he has hideousness and Matt Smith just embodies both

[00:08:18] of those and when he's sitting on caraxies with Dark Sister in his hand I just want to be him. Yeah I often get angry at people in the walking dead universe that love Negan because of a

[00:08:33] slagger and I really feel like I have to eat my hatred of that because I think Damon could do no wrong like I just love him and it is all his swagger and like you said he carries this tortured personality so well. I love it.

[00:08:50] I want to be him I want to be with him like yeah yeah all of the above check. And he doesn't make a lot of movements like a lot of what he's doing is sitting around thoughtfully studying the situation but when he does it's very purposeful and it's

[00:09:07] so good just the looks on his face can convey so much. Yeah. Yes amazing face acting and he looks really good in the Targaryen wig which is something else that I think would be the case but it really is.

[00:09:20] Yeah you know who else does is Queen Rhaenys she looks so amazing. Yes I just love her in that. All right let's talk about the trailer have you watched the trailers? Yes.

[00:09:36] All right so the first trailer we have is the greens they showed them first is that a little preferential treatment I'm not sure but the only thing that came into my mind was like move over Joffrey here comes Aegon as the villain of the decade.

[00:09:57] Very much so yes. Yes he's such a little brat. He is. You know when Otto says the only way out of this is violence and he says then let there be war he's like a whiny 11 year old saying right well then I'm just going to break it.

[00:10:20] Right yeah and I rewatched bits and pieces of season one for this and like with him with the crown on and Dark Sister or not Dark Sister. A black fire. Black fire in his hand like he really does look like Kylo Ren like he's got it going on

[00:10:44] and he does look really imposing and scary and so I thought they did a good job of kind of transforming him from this whiny little brat to a formidable enemy. Yeah he's kind of formidable but his brother is so much more formidable than him.

[00:11:06] Amen and the actor who's playing Aemon is also just killing it and in the trailers it looks like he's even notching up his performance another notch. Yeah yeah he looks really good just fantastic I think he's up there with me

[00:11:27] as enjoyable to watch as Damon is and I liked the sort of well I kind of liked I liked the hit in this trailer of the upcoming what we think might be him and Damon actually having a face off

[00:11:41] like he says my uncle was a challenge I welcome and it's like I want to see that so much and also I don't want one of them to die and so that's my fear and I was just thinking like

[00:11:53] in another world where this family fallout hadn't happened like they would have gotten on very well I think I think Damon would have really wanted to sort of mentor his nephew right. Take him under his wing

[00:12:08] yeah I could see that but unfortunately it seems like it was Cole who took him under his wing which wasn't good not good no Kristen Cole is not good he is one of the worst figures in Westerosi history. I thought the trailer for The Greens really pounded home

[00:12:34] Allyson I still have a great deal of empathy for Allyson probably similar to the feelings that I had for Cersei because I was a big Cersei lover right up to the end yeah you know because I

[00:12:49] do feel like Allyson hasn't had a lot of choice in her fate or her you know the trajectory that her life has taken she's been really powerless in all of that she was thrust into that role and not

[00:13:04] really given a choice and she's surrounded by other people who have had choices over their destiny and I think that resentment has built over the years but she seems a really sad figure in

[00:13:17] the trailer almost like she's moving forward because it's the only course of action to take but you can see regret remorse. I wrote Depression in large letters beside Green Trailer because that was

[00:13:31] what I felt overwhelming even over sort of the vengeance and anger of the suns was the sadness of Allyson at the path she thinks she has to go down yeah yeah and her family like I think she loves

[00:13:50] her children but they're just a mess and that has to hurt her. Allyson is hard for me because I agree with everything you said I think she's a victim I had a lot of empathy from her from the get go

[00:14:07] from the first sort of interactions that she had with Otto and this feeling of uncomfortableness in the pit of my stomach of he's mistreated her I think for a long time long before he asked her to go

[00:14:20] do her duty and go to the king um and so I did have empathy but for me where she crossed the line and where I've had a hard time forgiving her and feeling sorry for is her harsh judgment

[00:14:31] of Reneira and her lack of understanding and acceptance of some of the choices she made that are different from her own and especially in the face of not judging her son or other men who

[00:14:47] are making the same types of choices that she judged Reneira for so harshly that's where she crossed a line for me where I was like no I'm team black all the way um yeah it's hard

[00:14:59] for me but I hear what you're saying and I do want to have empathy for I mean I have both yeah I mean I have both I mean definitely after Luke I mean they were they were responsible for putting

[00:15:13] that into action so and and I can't imagine what that would do to Reneira I do have empathy for her but I'm not on her team so we're all team black is that right I think yeah solid on that yeah

[00:15:30] not to say that I don't see the bad things that everyone's doing like there's no heroes like I said I'm not excusing team black but that's where my allegiance falls I would be fighting for the

[00:15:42] queen absolutely right uh this this is not a just war that is being fought by either side by any means uh but I'm team black because because heteronormative patriarchy needs to be critiqued

[00:16:00] we need a queen we need a ruling queen right and it was what was Justin right and I I believe Allison knows that in her heart of hearts even despite what she thinks she heard yes I think

[00:16:15] she lived with her husband for a long time and knew what was in his heart and she said that in I think episode nine where she said he would not have wanted his daughter dead you know like this is

[00:16:29] not what his wants were and I think she knows that in her heart of hearts that he did support Reneira and never faltered in that yes and Aegon is it league from a legal standpoint

[00:16:42] is a usurper and auto assassinates people who won't go back on their oaths to the person who is the legal heir so there is that something that I think it was in what I don't remember from the green

[00:16:57] trailer or one of I feel like there's been like four iterations of very similar trailers but Allison it makes some comment about how she's doing everything she's done has been for love of

[00:17:06] the realm like her family and of the realm but if she was really being honest with herself she knows her son is terrible to leave the realm and that Reneira would actually be a much better leader

[00:17:17] and if everyone would get behind her no one would challenge her as a woman so I feel like Allison I do think she's convinced herself of these things and I think part of it is not even

[00:17:26] her own fault it's been the patriarchal system she's been raised in that she believes these things so like I again I'm trying to soften on Allison but yeah like I just wish she would take

[00:17:38] two steps back I know that would make a very interesting show if she all of a sudden saw the errors of her way and apologize but oh it's just so very similar to Cersei and how

[00:17:49] she treated her children I mean Allison is treating him like a pawn just as she was treated like a pawn yes and that's unfortunately what people frequently do is they they just

[00:18:02] replicate how they were treated but you know it's it never works out you know I think it's possible that Cersei loved her children so blindly that she couldn't really see Joffrey's monstrosity

[00:18:22] I'm not quite sure how much of Aegon's you know true self she really sees that the scene that that I still have questions about from season one is when Aegon asks Allison do you love me and her

[00:18:41] answer is you imbecile oh you know what did she mean like that uh you know you imbecile well of course I love you why would you even ask I think that's what she meant or I love you even

[00:18:55] though you're an imbecile or you know exactly the freight of that inner interchange you know I think it's the first thing you said is that she's she's shocked that he doesn't know that

[00:19:13] she loves him but it doesn't she doesn't seem very loving to her children not at all and I think part of the reason why they are the way they are is because of how they were raised

[00:19:27] well you know who she's loving to is Helena her daughter more more than the others yes she's very compassionate towards Helena who is was different in you know not as outgoing she seems yeah maybe like slightly neurodivergent from it perhaps yeah she's and

[00:19:52] you know she seems like she has a decent relationship with Amond I always wondered in that episode where Amond loses his eye where he's staring when the king is asking who told you those

[00:20:08] things and he's staring right at her and I think she told him those things but he doesn't narc on her he doesn't give up on his brother yeah yeah yeah so I think that says something about their

[00:20:22] relationship and then he says to her when he's lost his eye I lost an eye but I gained a dragon a fair bargain mother yeah yeah yeah that dragon meant everything to him oh man and that dragon

[00:20:40] well that dragon is the one and only reason the greens have any shot at carrying out this usurpation right and as they as they counted up in season one blacks have a lot more dragons

[00:20:54] but and vagar counts for two or three or four yeah what about the dragon that Damon was singing to right at the end of season one though is a firm or like if there's a dragon that could pose a

[00:21:11] threat to vagar wouldn't it vermouth or yeah which again like that idea of you know Damon and Amond like fighting the excitement of that is also not just the two of them but those two dragons

[00:21:25] Vermithor is about a hundred years old and he was king jahari's dragon wow uh wow yeah yeah that's gonna be I can't wait to see that second second oldest dragon after vagar and second largest

[00:21:43] dragon yeah but but vermouth or doesn't currently have a rider so that's a that's a problem okay well I think we have a riderless black right that is um Baylor oh no it's Bayla or reina

[00:22:02] it's reina Bayla yeah Bayla has a dragon her dragon moon dancer is um moon dancer moon dancer yes and I believe that that is moon dancer that we see in the greens trailer um swooping over the forest

[00:22:23] and chasing Kristen Cole I want to see Kristen Cole be I didn't see that suit of iron I love him I don't know if I'll be lucky enough for that to happen this season but that would be my

[00:22:38] I really liked him the first few episodes but I did eventually get there yeah uh but he you know he is behind the coup as much as the usurpation as much as Otto is which is why

[00:22:53] I said earlier that he's one of the worst figures in west roce history because he's part a big part of the cause of this civil war so there is a scene in the greens trailer also

[00:23:06] that looks like it's a Baratheon girl drawing her sword on four other boys all of them relatively young could have been a boy looked like a girl to me um but I say she's a Baratheon because

[00:23:21] she had the stag on her chest and like I don't know what what that is but it looks great I love it we don't see a lot of you know we get the women dragon riders so we don't see a ton of

[00:23:33] female like swords play obviously we had aria and game of thrones but like yeah I'm just excited for the more badass female warriors showing up in this series yeah yeah and then we have several scenes of kings landing preparing for battle uh building and setting out giant wooden

[00:23:55] anti-dragon missiles I missed that yeah on the on the parapads it looks like of the red keep yeah they launch really big arrows yeah yeah so in historically there is one dragon that was killed

[00:24:11] by humans rather than by another dragon um and that was Aegon the conqueror's sister wife uh Rhaenys same name as our Rhaenys our Rhaenys is named after her her dragon was killed in Dorne

[00:24:28] by that's called a scorpion that arrow launcher uh by a lucky shot um an arrow was launched right into her dragon's eye and that killed her dragon so that's what they're trying to do they're

[00:24:42] trying to replicate that they're trying to shoot down the dragon but even with a you know a scorpion launching um much bigger and remember they did that in the loot train battle when um

[00:24:54] Daenerys attacked the loot train in um in game of thrones also um but even with a really big scorpion arrow launcher like that if you hit the dragon's scales it doesn't pierce

[00:25:10] it just pisses them off so you have to either kill the rider or shoot the dragon in the eye in order to kill a dragon so it's a long shot but you know if it's all you got you try it

[00:25:24] and then there's a scene where we see a dragon chained up and I wondered about that I wondered have we haven't seen a dragon chained up yet have we I'm not sure I always thought like they

[00:25:39] they ran free you know I didn't think they were chained up like we've seen them in the dens right yeah yeah and in the scenes where they were training the young dragons I'm not sure whether

[00:25:52] they were I don't think they were chained I don't think so maybe not yeah yeah so I thought that was interesting like is that the beginning of the end that we're seeing yeah yeah and then we have the

[00:26:05] blacks trailer anybody remember anything about that one yes so in watching the blacks trailer after having seen the final trailer something really struck me is that the blacks trailer really shows Damon and Reneara as a united front Damon is Reneara's soldier her advocate you know

[00:26:32] and then the final trailer suggests that they're at odds with each other so when I went back and watched the blacks trailer again after having seen the final trailer I was really struck by

[00:26:44] how the blacks trailer shows them as working together yeah I think he's loyal to her cause but he is going to do things his way yeah he is and he's loyal to his cause to her cause but that

[00:26:59] doesn't necessarily mean that he's faithful to her in a marital sense so we'll see what happens yeah um I I have to talk about we see Jace walking the wall which I I let out a little

[00:27:16] scream when I saw it yes that's Kreegan Stark that he's with who is Ned Stark's ancestor yeah I'm excited to see some Starks showing up and curious to see how they respond to the plea of

[00:27:33] of Jace wait Jace right Jace yes yeah yeah yeah his name is Jussaries and Jace are short and then it seems that Corleis and uh Renease are going to side with the blacks yeah I mean we kind of thought that but they really hadn't you know confirmed it

[00:27:57] they were still trying to stay a little neutral I think yes this trailer the trailer shows they're not neutral they're on the black side yeah I feel like Renease just continues to sort of be the wise

[00:28:09] level headed person throughout all of this I mean other than like bursting through the middle of the coronation ceremony on her dragon which was amazing but otherwise I feel like she's been so

[00:28:21] like reasonable and has sort of she sees what's happening um I don't know yeah I love her character she just brings something to every scene she's in love it um we see Allison and Helena in a funeral

[00:28:40] procession and I was guessing that's for Viserys um but I wasn't sure I know I know I know and I'm not going to tell you but don't we then also in the is it this trailer we see them start to like

[00:28:52] run some they seem like some well in that same I think it's in that same like procession through King's Landing it looks like they all of a sudden appear to be under some sort

[00:29:04] of attack and are running I mean you just get like a glimpse of them running but I'm curious to see what sort of attacks are happening directly to King's Landing mm-hmm well it looks

[00:29:15] like a riot like like we saw in Game of Thrones and I actually don't know what that is but I was wondering if it's a you know a food riot like it was in Game of Thrones or something like that yeah

[00:29:31] a lot of people died at that um crowning yes it could be something related to that so they might not be happy about that yeah good good guess Winnie yeah good guess and I don't I don't know because

[00:29:45] that that riot is not something that happens in the books so it could be could be anything and then we see Damon recruiting houses to his side I say recruiting but forcing not giving him a lot of

[00:29:58] choice but once again I'm like yes get him even though like I feel like I shouldn't be feeling that uh pro let me burn your house down if you don't follow us by love it

[00:30:12] yeah I agree I I'm here for it though um what anything else about the trailer trailers I don't think so I mean I feel like we've touched on most of it I'm really excited to see some

[00:30:27] feminine rage if I haven't driven that home that point home yet yeah this conversation I I rewatched the end of the last episode of season one earlier today and the way it ends with

[00:30:40] Raniya sort of you know she's trying to get her emotions under control you can tell she wants to break down but she's like no I am you know the leader of the realm and I have to be strong and

[00:30:51] she turns around with such rage and anger fueled by right sadness and I'm just excited to see that pick back up with that rage that she has and ready to you know make she's never going to make

[00:31:07] things right but I'm ready for her to take some vengeance for what's been done to Luke right and I think there was still the potential of possibly compromising or peaceful or dividing things up or

[00:31:21] something and that you know Lucera is just that just cut that out and it's gone now yeah so one of the things that is very cool for book readers is that all of the trailers are

[00:31:38] full of things that we can recognize as things that are going to happen from the books and characters who are going to be introduced or from the books and so it it confirms that some of the important things that happen in the books are going to happen

[00:32:02] in the show as well. That's exciting. All right let's talk about hopes and fears Veronica you want to go first? Yeah I already touched on it but I think I'm hopeful and excited for I hope we get

[00:32:20] to a battle between Damon and Aiman this season and it's also my biggest fear because like I said I would do we have a set like do we have an idea of how many seasons they're going to stretch this out into

[00:32:32] do they they said? I think it's three but I'm not a hundred percent sure of that. I think that sounds right because they are just going at free free speed. There's not

[00:32:42] many people left I think. I hope that we build towards that and get like a taste of it this season but I hope it doesn't really happen until next season as much as I'm excited to see it I'm

[00:32:57] not ready to have one of those characters gone. We're going to see some tensions build up. Yeah I'm looking forward to that. That's one of my hopes as well. Those two have such incredible chemistry between them. It's so good. Yeah I'm ready. How about you Ren?

[00:33:17] So my first hope is that this is only a six episode season and my hope is that it is a short season because they spent all of their money on Dragon CGI and we're going to get lots

[00:33:32] and lots and lots of dragons and battling dragons and dragons flying around and dragons doing this and that and the other saying dragons dragons dragons so that's my my main hope. Is it six? IMDB has eight listed. Really? Yeah interesting. And I mean I will say IMDB is

[00:33:49] sometimes wrong with things like that because I'm pretty sure it's six. Do you know what the first episode is called? I do. Okay can we talk about it? It's out there. I guess as long as we

[00:34:03] say it right now. Yep ahead. What is it? Because I sort of know what it is but I don't think I'm going to get the words right. A son for a son. A son for a son. That's it and like what does that mean?

[00:34:18] Well so one of the sons in A Son for a Son is Lucerys who was killed by Aamon and Vagar right? Right. So a son for Lucerys. Right but I don't think we're going to lose

[00:34:35] any of her sons any of Allison's sons in the first. Well she has three sons right? Allison? Yes yes there's a son that hasn't been introduced yet. Oh so maybe we're going to

[00:34:46] introduce the red shirt and then. Yeah that son is living in Old Town and I have heard speculation that he's actually not going to be introduced until season three. So what other sons are available? Allison could just be an attempt as well. Could be an attempt.

[00:35:11] Uh huh. It could mean like that's what she's going after for vengeance. There are others in the family who have sons. I'm really curious I just saw that today and none of the other episodes are named

[00:35:29] yet just that one. Yeah although so there you know there is an incident that is going to happen and I've heard that it's not going to happen in episode one it's going to happen in episode two

[00:35:42] so. But again this is all just speculation but it's speculation from people who read every single that's released and look at all the on set photos and all that. There were definitely things even in these trailers that led me to believe an incident is going to occur

[00:36:02] an incident that we're familiar with. Yes so one of my hopes is that I talked before about the time jumping and switching out the actors and actresses that played the kids so it was a little

[00:36:16] hard for me to get invested in their characters but I am looking forward to getting to know the kids better and seeing what they will do when they are kind of forced foisted into this adult war.

[00:36:29] Jace especially I even the actor has matured you can tell so he really looks so grown up and I can't imagine what's on his shoulders with having just lost his brother and he is the

[00:36:43] future heir to the Iron Throne should the Blacks win this war. And then we have Aamond who again I just love and I can't wait even Aegon like you know we're going to see some

[00:36:59] stuff from Aegon and then we have Bela and Reyna which I feel like I don't know very well but I really want to see especially the Bela is the dragon rider is that right? Yes and even Helena

[00:37:14] I feel like they hinted on a lot of things with her character but she was really kind of in the background and I'd love to see more plots with all the kids. So I understand that Bela's role

[00:37:28] is greatly expanded from her role in the books and that comes from interviews with the actor who plays her and so I think you're going to see a lot of Bela like in the books Bela's not at the battle

[00:37:42] that we see in the Greens trailer where she's chasing Kristen Cole with Moon Dancer that doesn't happen in the books so that's something that's been added into the show but I think it's

[00:37:52] great. Yeah yeah yeah I love I mean a lot of the Game of Thrones things that happened weren't in the books and they were great. How about we lost Lena so quickly like I think she would have been a cool

[00:38:06] character to get to know more she seemed to have a lot of like a very vibrant spirit and so yes it's nice to get to see at least like her daughters coming into their own. Yeah we didn't get much

[00:38:17] of her at all. Yeah and I think Reyna is going to go for at least some amount of time to the Vale where Lady Jane Aaron is the lady of the Vale so it's one of the few regions in Westeros that

[00:38:33] has a female ruler so Reyna's going to get to hang out with one of the few female rulers so that'll be cool. Yeah yeah all right Veronica. I think the thing I'm interested in that we saw so much

[00:38:48] of in the trailers is to see the struggle of Allisette and Rhaenyra with their difficult emotional past right like there's so much hatred and anger now but there was such love they were so connected and there've just been so many bridges that have broken that relationship

[00:39:09] down and I know they can't ever really go back but I think it's an interesting part of the story to see how it's impacting their decisions and you even see one of Allisette's son sort of comment

[00:39:20] on like basically she needs to get over her love for the enemy because it can't work and and so I'm curious to see how that plays out and I am interested to like continue to challenge my

[00:39:35] feelings on Allisette. I think again that's what makes this show so interesting is that there aren't heroes in that I do get very caught up in the pro-black side but I think it is

[00:39:49] interesting to examine why that is and sort of challenge that and so that's sort of what I'm looking forward to is continuing to examine Allisette and my own feelings on her. I think it's

[00:40:03] hard because she is representing that sort of it's hard for me to separate a lot of this show out from current day issues and anger I have at sort of the highest judgment often of women and so

[00:40:19] I think that for me I project that onto Allisette even though it's much bigger than her but I think that's why I'm so disgusted with with the Greens and I don't like that I'm blaming it all

[00:40:33] particularly on the woman even though she is doing a lot of the leading of it I think she's been manipulated and so I'm excited to challenge my own feelings this season and to see how the show

[00:40:46] plays those stories out. Yeah I think she's following along in a program that is meant to control the masses and control the women and she's following along with it and again this is my

[00:41:05] empathy and my sympathy and my making my defense of her she's following along with it because that's what she was raised to do she was raised to be a good and pious you know queen and she

[00:41:20] did it and she knows what she sacrificed to do it and she's she's mad about it now. Yeah yeah I think like again how I'm saying I struggle with it because of how I see it as

[00:41:35] our own current day struggle but I think what you just said also not to get too political on this pop culture podcast but I think it's a good like almost important piece to think about in how I

[00:41:49] respond to current day things because it's not terribly productive to get very angry at individual people so much as to get angry at the systems that have played into people having these beliefs

[00:42:03] and opinions yeah I think we're so divided right now because of just that right. Right it's sorry not trying to be too political about stuff but I think it was just a good reminder of

[00:42:15] like I'm hating Allison because I'm angry at you know the patriarchal system that she's playing into. Veronica I think that's an excellent insight it's the systems that have shaped all of us that are

[00:42:30] problematic and also you know this is really a story about politics it's about a civil war over a succession to a monarchy and that is politics so the politics involved in that conflict we

[00:42:47] have to talk about those and of course what's it's fictional world but fictional worlds always represent the reality of the time in which they're made so I think it's good to to acknowledge that.

[00:43:00] Yeah and all that to say while I do want to have more empathy I'm not going to absolve either the blacks or the greens of their atrocities that I'm sure that we're going to see them commit

[00:43:10] this season. Yes right I can be angry at the systems and I can try not to blame or put all that blame on their shoulders but I'm not going to excuse them of their bad decisions. Yeah spoilers there are going to be atrocities. Yes.

[00:43:27] Yes. All right Ren. I really hope that they choose the best of the conflicting versions of the stories as told in the book so the book is a fictional history that is written by Archmaster

[00:43:45] Gildane many years after the Dance of the Dragons and Archmaster Gildane is drawing on three older sources. Right. Which disagree with each other and those sources are Septim Eustis who we saw in season one he was Viserys' Septim and then Mushroom who doesn't really appear in the show

[00:44:12] although there was a dwarf playing a playing a drum in a in a in the feast scene and book reader said Mushroom Mushroom there's Mushroom but he is he's a black he goes with Reneire aside

[00:44:30] and he also tells the most salacious version of every story possible and then another grand master who who may show up in season three he comes into the story after the war has pretty

[00:44:46] much been decided but the three of them often tell different versions of the same events and and Archmaster Gildane will say and you know we don't really know which was one of these is true but Mushroom's version can never be true because it's always too outrageous but

[00:45:04] oftentimes obviously it's probably the one that's true. They did such a good job with that in season one particularly in the scene where Reneire and Kristen Cole are on the ship and they you know

[00:45:18] they split up at that point because he asked her to marry him and she says I'm gonna be queen dude. That in that they actually took the conflicting versions of that story

[00:45:34] and wove them together in a really great way which is probably how most historical events are right the accounts that we have later there when there are conflicting accounts the truth probably lies

[00:45:49] in some third story and they actually did that with in season one and I hope they do more of that in season two because again we're gonna have events that have conflicting versions in the

[00:46:01] book and I just think that there are a lot of possibilities for ways that they can address that and I hope they do it in really clever ways the way they did in season one. It's pretty cool

[00:46:12] because it gives them several different options that's what they can take what they think is best on screen. That's also such an interesting storytelling device I'm not sure I've really seen that in anything else I've read before and I think it's it's also made me reflect

[00:46:30] like I don't often reflect on our own histories and how often we have probably ourselves as humans particularly you know Caucasian European descent how often our histories have probably been you know altered from our own perspectives either unintentionally or intentionally

[00:46:53] and I think it's so cool to see this in a work of fiction it's really interesting. Yeah history is usually written from the point of view of the winner. The losers might have a different side of the story. Yeah my last hope and I think I'm gonna

[00:47:16] see this come true is that I really would like to see the world opened up a bit more unlike Game of Thrones House of the Dragon really felt like it was a very narrow place

[00:47:31] that it happened in. It was mostly King's Landing and some on Dragonstone. We saw a couple things here and there especially in the last episode with the boys going off on Dragon back to other

[00:47:44] places but I'm really looking forward to seeing what's going on in other parts of the world maybe some subplots in other parts of the world like I think that that was missing a little bit

[00:47:58] so I'm looking forward to that and I think we see a little bit of that with Jace on the wall and obviously getting some other houses involved and I'm really looking forward to that. Great Veronica anything else? My only last little note that I

[00:48:16] had was curious do you think we will ever see Lenor again or do you think he is officially gone? Good question. In the histories I believe like we would expect not to see him again

[00:48:33] because everyone thought he was dead but we know in the show he's not dead and so is there a possibility that he could show back up whereas like I'm sure he wouldn't be revealed to people

[00:48:49] that would record it in the history so he wasn't really dead but is there a chance that he shows back up before it's all over? I think it's possible because they chose to do it that way

[00:49:00] and they either chose to do it that way to have Damon and Reneara look better or they chose it that way to keep that in their pocket in case they wanted to do bring that

[00:49:13] character back. I also think that they did it for another reason because they did not want to fall into the kill all your gays trope. Yeah, I didn't even think of that yeah. Yeah and because of

[00:49:28] that I think it's possible that he won't come back. I know there was some speculation that he might come back under a false identity and actually substitute for another character but we've seen

[00:49:40] that character in the trailer played by a different actor so that isn't going to be the case but it's not impossible that they could bring him back to be alive. I feel like I would like it for

[00:49:53] either Rhenus or Coralus to know that he's not dead. I just feel like they've been served up a lot of tragedy and there haven't really been the instigators of any of the bad things and so

[00:50:07] I just would like one good thing for them. Yeah, so I'd like to see that and I would love to see Laris Strong get it stuck stick it to him man that little nasty. Yes, I don't like him. There's

[00:50:21] a few people that are solidly in the can be eaten by dogs and we're okay with that. Yeah and he is Rano. They're more like category. Yeah, they're more likely to be eaten by dragons than dogs so

[00:50:33] probably. Yes, I'm for it. I think dragon death is too fast for him like I'll take that for Sir Chris and but I cannot stand Laris. Yes. Did we see him in the trailer at all? I don't think

[00:50:49] we did. I think he flashed across. I think I may have seen his face in one of them but not very much. I think he was a pretty main character in the first season so that's curious.

[00:51:03] Maybe Allison is going to keep her shoes on this season. He's out. That is the best. Or maybe he found Foot Finder and he's fine. He doesn't need Allison anymore. All right, Ren? I have one last hope

[00:51:19] which is that they changed the opening credits. You know, I know what they were trying to do with the opening credits with the blood running down the bloodlines but I just think that was an

[00:51:29] epic fail because you know, viewers who are not book readers can't possibly follow all those family trees. I can't even follow the blood running down through those symbols and I've paused it

[00:51:45] you know and gone and gone frame by frame and I just think you know cool idea didn't work. Let's have new opening credits that are more better. I agree but I also doubt they're going to

[00:52:03] redo it. I doubt it too. But I do agree and I think that's pretty universal and they should listen to what people have to say but I don't know maybe they'll change it. I don't know. Maybe it'll

[00:52:16] be the same but better. Yeah. All right, I have a couple news articles about House of the Dragon. Ren, do you want to read our first one? Yes. Our first article is from Variety and it is titled

[00:52:35] House of the Dragon, Cast and Showrunner Tease Bigger, Batter, Dragon-Ear Season Two, Like a Cold War in Process. House of the Dragon showrunner Ryan Condol describes the second season of HBO's Game of Thrones prequel as a cold war in process and that's really because of the dragons

[00:52:57] Condol told Variety at the season two premiere Monday night in New York City. Everybody is terrified of launching mutually assured destruction and burning down the kingdom that they're trying to rule over. House of the Dragon season two will continue to chronicle the royal succession civil

[00:53:15] war known as the Dance of the Dragons between two rival factions of House Targaryen, the Greens and the Blacks. Quote, I think I was most excited to explore the exchange of power. Olivia Cook said

[00:53:31] of her character, Allyson Hightower. She was at the height of her power come the end of season one and now her son's on the throne making her the Queen Dowager. I don't think she's really

[00:53:42] thought about the effects of that and how her power will slowly be diminished throughout the season end quote. Meanwhile, Tom Glyn Carney wanted to navigate Aegon Targaryen the second vulnerability in season two. Quote, It's very easy to fall into when you play a villainous

[00:54:01] character to make him all dark, to make him one dimensional, to make him cold and calculated and not really much else. Glyn Carney said from the minute we started this project I never believed

[00:54:13] he was just that I thought he was way more interesting way more complex than that end quote. Viewers will not only see dragons on screen again but they'll also return to two familiar

[00:54:25] sites in Westeros, Winterfell and the Wall. Quote, I was kind of geeking out said Harry Colette whose character Gissari's Valyrian visits the wall. We made sure to get it right because it's such an important location and such an important meaning to the fans end quote. On returning

[00:54:45] to dragon riding Colette said quote I love riding the dragon but because I'm a man it hurts in some areas. It's really immersive and you've got a wind machine in your face it was great for

[00:54:58] the first half hour and then you get motion sick end quote. Eve Best who touted the second season as bigger batter dragon ride year had a similar experience getting back on Reynie Targaryen's

[00:55:15] dragon Malyse quote it's so wild and so very different from the end results but it's fun in a strange sort of way she said with a chuckle. I would say you just need a lot of good padding

[00:55:28] end quote. They've all commented on how sort of like physically rough riding the dragon sorry it doesn't really sound fun. Veronica you want to read our second article? Yeah so this is from The Ringer and it's titled Winter is Coming How the Starks Factor into Season Two

[00:55:49] of House of the Dragon so five years after the Game of Thrones finale the Starks are returning to our TV screens at the end of season one of House of the Dragon Queen Rhaenyra sent her son

[00:56:01] Jisera on a trip to consolidate support for her claim to the Iron Throne. His first stop is the veil where he is to speak with Lady Jane Aron and try to convince her to support the blacks

[00:56:13] then he's continuing north to see the Starks HBO included scenes with Jason Kragenstark the head of House Stark in several trailers for this upcoming season Kragen is just 24 now in House of the Dragon but he's no inexperienced lord. Ricken died when Kragen was only 13 so Kragen's lordship

[00:56:33] was put into a regency controlled by his uncle Bernard Stark. When Kragen turned 16 the age of adulthood in Westeros he found his uncle reluctant to give up that regency after two more years of

[00:56:47] tense relations Kragen threw Bernard and his three sons in prison and took control of the north for good. It's this type of decisive action that would eventually earn Kragen the title The Wolf

[00:56:59] of the North what is Kragen up to when Jace comes to visit? Bet your life savings that will hear Kragen utter winter is coming at some point this season. Fire and Blood tells us that autumn

[00:57:12] was well advanced when Jace arrives in Winterfell and Kragen's focus will be on preparing his region for one of the Westeros he's most bitter winters. Remember climatic seasons can last for years in

[00:57:24] Westeros. The north has never been too concerned with the politics in the south of the continent especially when it needs to focus on its harvest. It's not exactly an opportune time for Jace to ask

[00:57:35] for the Stark's support and then I think we'll link the rest of this article in the show notes so that you can read the rest. But that was interesting and like an interesting point about

[00:57:46] Starks like obviously responsibility of preparing is important but we also know the Starks are fiercely loyal and making any sort of pledge to them is very important and so I wonder how those two things might play out in their decision around whether to help the blacks or not.

[00:58:07] Right and it's so hard because you've pledged to the throne but it's the throne that's in question so that's hard. That's not a straight loyalty question. It's which side do you

[00:58:21] believe? Which side do you think has the- But which side did they all sit in a ceremony where they swore to Rhaenyra as the king said he named her and you're pointing that against

[00:58:34] Allicent High Tower's word of something a very, very ill old man said on his deathbed. Right. Which we know she misinterpreted but- Right. Yeah. To me you stick with what everyone

[00:58:48] did publicly when the king was in his right mind and had you all swear fealty to his daughter but most- And the Starks never go back on their oaths. Right? Yeah. And I hate to talk about politics but

[00:59:02] it's so similar to today. It doesn't matter to people what's right or wrong. It's so it's I mean it's just such a odd place to be in. Yeah. I mean I think this show does

[00:59:16] so much of that sort of blind following of the rules versus rebellion that you're you know like we see Damon rebel sort of and it's not necessarily because he's making virtuous choices. He's trying to you know cut off people's cocks in the street to serve a point

[00:59:36] right? Of how big and bad he is but we also see like what we were reflecting on with Alison is that she's just sort of blindly following the rules and so that's why she judges Reneara so harshly because Reneara broke the rules and Reneara even though Reneara and

[00:59:53] Lenore had things worked out to build their family the way they wanted to it wasn't the rules they were following. And so again I feel like if Alison stepped back for a minute instead of just

[01:00:05] blindly following the rules that she would realize the things she's judging her on actually don't make sense and they're hurting both of them but it's comfortable to have rules

[01:00:16] so you don't have to think about it and you just follow them. And I think she just can't get past her sacrifice that she made she sacrificed everything she personally wanted or or aspired to

[01:00:32] to give up to be the Saras's nursemaid wife mother of his children breeder of the new royal lime that was never going to take the throne like that's a lot to ask of somebody.

[01:00:47] And she says to Reneara in the scene where she cuts Reneara with the with the dagger she says where is duty where is sacrifice and that's right that's what her life has been

[01:00:58] about duty and sacrifice. Right and in this whole time she's watched you know Reneara kind of be happy and and you know find joy in her life and kind of do things her own way and she never

[01:01:17] was able to do those things and it's just resentment and jealousy and yeah and it's been bestering for a long time I believe. And and she also knows that Reneara's oldest sons are bastards.

[01:01:36] Right and right is getting away with that. At the end of the day Reneara is the royal bloodline there still her children. Lenore was in full agreement like they weren't secret bastards

[01:01:49] like it was an agreement within the fate and I think that's where like I well that's where I defend that's where I defend Reneara too like you married her off to a man that everyone knew was gay.

[01:02:02] What did you think was going to happen? How did you think they were going to get heirs? And it was like a beautiful arrangement of like of her and Lenore sort of realizing like this

[01:02:14] star duty that we have to serve these roles but like let's love who we want and live how we want. Right and it just yeah that that was judged as as terrible was I mean it's what's terrible is

[01:02:27] that they were forced to be married in the first place but yeah it's just sort of sad but one of the things I really liked um that they that is a change from the books is that

[01:02:40] uh Lenore and Reneara say in a conversation that they they actually did try but Reneara did not get pregnant. Right. And um you know the the implication in the book is that they never had

[01:02:55] sex because Lenore wouldn't or couldn't but in the real middle ages there are a number of royal men who by today's standards would be called gay but they nonetheless they had wives and they

[01:03:10] and they had kids um and they were in all likelihood probably their own kids because that was their duty right and they did it as a duty they might not have liked it but you know they did it as a

[01:03:20] duty so I really liked it that that they introduced that into the show the idea that Lenore and Reneara actually did try but Reneara did get pregnant yeah. All right anybody have anything

[01:03:35] else before we move on to listener feedback? Okay we'll break here and when we come back we'll listen to some listener feedback. Want to go first Ryan? Yeah. Megan Diavoli-Lamon says I just want to see Allison's little bitch ass punk psychopath kid die preferably in a painful

[01:04:03] and gory way in the voice of SNL's Dunes character is that bad? No I love it so much. I can't wait for Megan's feedback. Um Alma Contreras says team black. I agree Alma. Lindsay Schlick says I'm very

[01:04:25] excited but so nervous about lots of dragon deaths even CGI mythical creatures deaths are impossible for me to watch. I totally get you Lindsay. I know Lindsay and I have had a bunch of

[01:04:37] discussions on other movies where we need spoilers to find out about animal deaths so maybe we could start a website called does the dragon die? I'm for it. Man all I had thought about was my fears

[01:04:56] of people dying I didn't even think about that we could lose dragons this season. Well you know we lost the dragon at the end of season one so we may lose one. Yeah a baby dragon. Yes.

[01:05:08] Gabby Jade says yes finally. Renee Murray says hashtag team black all day every day. Renee I can't wait for your feedback I hope you send voicemails in or write in because

[01:05:25] I love your point of view. Mark McBurney says tried for years to get my wife to watch Game of Thrones and I know she would like it if she gave it a real shot but for some reason she just won't

[01:05:40] however she loved House of the Dragon just as much as I did and for season two I'm hoping for some big dragon versus dragon fights and Damon to go on a slaughter spree.

[01:05:50] Oh Mark you may or may not catch your wish. Yeah yeah and I think like people that have never seen Game of Thrones it's a pretty big commitment at this point there's a lot of episodes.

[01:06:06] Oh they do it it's so worth it. Yeah totally. It's one of my like most rewatch shows I just even with the less than satisfactory you know final season really I just would have liked it to be

[01:06:20] two seasons but oh my goodness Mark don't give up. Yeah I never hated the final season as much as most people did so I'm okay with it all. I'm okay with how it ended I just wish we'd had more

[01:06:32] time to get there but yeah keep on her mark get her to watch. Yeah. Yep. My old Mardini says that was the longest slash shortest two years. Luckily I forgot many details.

[01:06:47] I hope to see Rhaenys kicking more ass. Yes I had to look her name up and I have to google everyone again lol. Same my I have like a whole cheat sheet here of the family tree and whose

[01:07:02] family tree and whose dragon is who. Oh you have to yeah I you know I've read the books many times and I still have cheat sheets because it's a lot. And lots of very interesting names to the all

[01:07:15] sound way too similar. Yes that's the trick. All right and then one more comment from Sam Lowe she says one more Sunday before I start to defend their atrocious atrocious war crimes and then she posted a picture of Damon Reneira so we know who's atrocious where war crimes

[01:07:34] she is going to be defending. Same same same. That's right. We're defending team black. So I just have to say Wendy and Veronica you sweet sweet summer children all your hopes are so hopeful and that's all I'll say.

[01:07:59] Yeah and that's why I think some book readers are like kind of going into this season with dread. I don't know I think we'll have a different experience book versus yes non-book viewers and here's the thing and I've heard some other YouTubers who are you know long time

[01:08:28] YouTubers on on the Game of Thrones universe talk about when you read the book it's not a novel it's a fictional history so the characters are presented the same way as if you were reading

[01:08:44] a history of medieval England right. You know okay King Henry the first did this that and the other saying and you know came to a terrible end and you don't get invested in the people the same way

[01:08:59] that you get invested in these people in this show and especially with such great acting that we're having with you know characters from the main characters to lesser characters. I mean obviously one of the reasons that people hate Laris so much is because the actor playing

[01:09:19] him is doing such a slimy job you know and and so I you know even I and like Tom Glen Carney said about the way he's playing Aegon you know he's more complex than just being dark and so

[01:09:38] you get you get invested in these characters you get emotionally attached to these characters and my fear is that there are I believe three really terrible things that are going to happen this

[01:09:54] season separate unrelated except they're all part of the same civil war things and each of them is going to devastate you sweet sweet summer children and I'm afraid the show's going to lose its audience.

[01:10:11] Kind of like a walking dead season seven. Yes it's yes the same way the walking dead season seven. Yeah did it. I hope that doesn't happen right there are things that are going to happen

[01:10:24] down the line that even I'm not looking forward to seeing as opposed to right and and there are things that happen in books that just you can do it well you can do the scene well and you

[01:10:40] can do it justice and it can be amazingly produced but it just has a different impact when it's visual. And I think that's what happened with season seven walking dead. Yes like the scenes the episode

[01:10:58] is amazing it's so well done and so well acted like it should have earned an Emmy but we just weren't ready to see it. I will say I think what might be different that I hope

[01:11:16] saves that some because I think that's a really valid concern that I hadn't thought of is that Game of Thrones has a precedent for the amount of violence right yes the amount of yes you know

[01:11:28] we saw a child bird at the stake in Game of Thrones that's right you know we saw some pretty intense things happen that's right and so sorry I hope that's are we spoiling Game of Thrones

[01:11:39] in this podcast um but yes I think people out there watching House of the Dragon haven't seen Game of Thrones go watch Game of Thrones and come back. So I do think there's like an expectation

[01:11:51] like I know the walking dead was violent but it was never violent to the graphic nature that it was until that episode and that's right I think Game of Thrones had that already and

[01:12:01] I'm actually now reflecting back on what I sort of started the podcast commenting on which was my sort of dislike of the somewhat gratuitous violence in season one and now that we're having this conversation

[01:12:15] I'm wondering if they did that to really set the stage for hey this is where the show is going because this season it's not just going to be gratuitous it's going to play into the storyline

[01:12:26] and I wonder if that played into why they really started out with some more shocking things in season one just so that we would know what we're getting into and so I hope that those things have the

[01:12:39] viewership you know ready and I'm okay being a summer child because I want to be hurt right like I want to care so much like if I'm not writing when a character died it's probably

[01:12:51] not a show I'm very invested in so I'm okay with that I'm ready to be why we do it yeah I want to yeah yeah I want to feel Veronica that's a great that's a great insight um and certainly anybody who watched Emma Aaron have that horrific Caesarean

[01:13:16] ought to be able to watch the things that are coming yeah you're right you're right about that I hope I do I don't feel as confident in that because you know I don't think people are always

[01:13:31] thinking about us clearly or you know most people aren't probably analyzing the show as much detail as we're doing right here right so they might be more shocked but how you feel I I really hope that we don't lose viewers because just the quality and the level of

[01:13:47] production of this show like I don't want them to lose that momentum in the season three yeah everyone that's listening be ready for some losses and keep watching so I will say that something that's going to happen probably in episode two among book readers as known as

[01:14:07] the thing that's as bad as the red wedding and so if everybody just gets past that I think we'll be fine but the red wedding didn't send people away even though actually

[01:14:19] if anything I think it did the opposite yes it made the show more popular more talked about right yeah well no one's safe like that's right you know yeah it we're seeing it more and more

[01:14:33] in shows but I think Game of Thrones was the first to do it to the extent that they did right like we thought this was going to be a show at least for a while centered around

[01:14:44] a certain person and then suddenly bam no changing it up right well I remember when I when I read the books I listened to them as audiobooks and I was driving my car when that scene in the first book where that character comes to an untimely and

[01:15:03] when that happened I said out loud driving by myself in the car so I started myself I said that did not just happen because it was such such a surprise yeah and then throughout the books

[01:15:19] surprises like that keep happening and and they will in in this show as well and yes no one is safe yeah Rene that's so funny I was also in the car I read the books I watched season one and then

[01:15:35] stopped watching Game of Thrones and read all the books before I started back up and I was also in the car but a friend was driving we were driving home from New Orleans and I read the red wedding

[01:15:44] and literally like and she thought she was about to run into something like I scared her to death but I had that same like auditory reaction because I couldn't believe it I don't know I've ever

[01:15:55] had that type of reaction to a book before like that level of shock but yeah yeah yeah a little bit of housekeeping for the podcast to let everybody know Rima and Kristen both

[01:16:13] decided not to come back and do this podcast full time this year just due to other obligations and things they have going on but they are certainly welcome to come and guest host

[01:16:24] anytime they like and I hope that they will the other thing I wanted to tell everybody about is we will be going live on YouTube every week we usually give it about 10 minutes after the credits

[01:16:38] roll and then we go live on YouTube so everybody has a chance to take a bathroom break and get something to drink and come see us but it's usually different people than who are on the

[01:16:49] podcast because we just like to get a lot of different takes on it just check us out on podcastica you can look us up on YouTube and also if you go to the podcastica site we'll have

[01:17:01] something on there when we go live so you can just link to that and some of those sessions may just be people on YouTube with their mouths hanging open not saying anything yeah drying tears

[01:17:18] looking shell shocked yeah might just be that and I want to let you know that we also will be bringing back book talk we are looking for someone to do book talk with me but we will be having it

[01:17:33] so look forward to that and so that's about it for this week next week we will be covering season two episode one of house of the dragon and the title is called a sun for a son yes well remember

[01:17:53] all men are someone's son so yeah I suppose it could be anyone that's right yeah I guess we're going to find out one week you can leave feedback at our podcastica facebook page we post weekly

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[01:18:26] at podcastica.com I know one that I am really enjoying listening to right now is on the main cast of us feed Jason and Lucy have been doing a rewatch of The Walking Dead and that's been really fun

[01:18:42] to listen to them go back and talk about these episodes with all the knowledge of the full show and the spin-offs so you should definitely check that one out I'm really enjoying that they're also covering movies they covered Civil War which was amazing

[01:18:57] and they just covered Furiosa oh nice yeah I got to guest on the rewatch two episodes ago so that was cool that was a great episode I've really been enjoying I'm

[01:19:09] finally caught up it took me forever to get caught up but because they took a break I got caught up and I just have to put a plug in for welcome to the apocalypse it's just amazing it's a

[01:19:23] improvised podcast about the zombie apocalypse and that doesn't give it nearly enough credit it's it's actually probably my favorite podcastica anything it's just so well done I find myself not wanting to listen to them because I want to see of them so it's just so great it's just

[01:19:43] so entertaining it really should be like making millions of dollars and it's just so well done like the the I'm sure there's scripting involved I would not be good at that kind of podcasting

[01:19:58] at all I'm not good on the fly I have to prepare a lot to do these and it's they're just so talented they have a great group of people and as the podcast go along they have a lot of like

[01:20:10] inside jokes that they take from episode to episode it's just hilarious I highly recommend yeah it's great I never am not smiling when I listen to that podcast and yes all of the time

[01:20:23] not only are they fantastic with what they're doing but the time that Randy puts into post processing and like adding you know additional audio snippets to go along with the story is fantastic it's so good whoever's doing the artwork that they post on their channel is also fantastic

[01:20:40] and it goes along with each uh each episode so yeah definitely check it out yeah how about you Ryan what are you listening to uh so uh the yellow jackets um wtf podcast just did a reading of um Lord

[01:21:00] of the Flies that was really cool uh they you know went through the book and then talked about the ways that it influenced yellow jackets and I really enjoyed that podcast a lot and it was great for

[01:21:15] yellow yellow jackets wtf to come back in between seasons yeah that was my kid yeah I was gonna say your daughter right yeah she teaches English and she's taught Lord of the Flies every year and

[01:21:30] she always tries to do things that are really inventive with it like a couple years ago she started this um part where she would be like as soon as the kids come in the instructions are on

[01:21:43] the board she's the narrator so she can't talk to them and give them advice and they have to break into groups and make decisions and she tries to really make it fun and so she's been talking about

[01:21:55] doing something like that for a long time so it was really cool to get to do it with her she was great on the podcast I really enjoyed uh her talking about her experience having taught

[01:22:05] that book to mm-hmm kids yeah yeah all right well that's our show thanks for listening everyone until next time I'm Renny I'm still Veronica and I'm Wendy Dracaris