Fallout (Season One)

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[00:00:36] Welcome to another joint project from Wilhelm and Podcastica. I'm Ben.

[00:00:42] I'm Jason.

[00:00:44] I'm Doug.

[00:00:46] And this is our end of the first season coverage of the brand new Amazon Prime show, Fall Out.

[00:00:52] Gentlemen, welcome to another joint project for this.

[00:00:57] I like when we do these.

[00:00:59] Thanks for inviting me. Glad to be here.

[00:01:02] Yeah, because Doug... Ben and Doug, you guys just met, but Doug has actually been a long time presence.

[00:01:12] He helped me interview Andrew Lincoln the way back in the day, season one Walking Dead.

[00:01:17] And when I heard there was a Fall Out show, you were the first person to have thought of it

[00:01:22] because I know you played at least some of the games.

[00:01:25] Well, I mean, it's a hell of a lot.

[00:01:27] Yeah, so I guess I'll have to come clean here.

[00:01:30] I got into Fall Out because of you. You actually gave me Fall Out 4 for PS4 as a gift.

[00:01:36] I did?

[00:01:37] Yeah, I totally did that.

[00:01:40] You know, you did.

[00:01:42] So yeah, so that's really what guided me into it.

[00:01:45] I really wasn't even on my radar.

[00:01:48] Even though it was a huge oblivion and Skyrim fan, the Fall Out never...

[00:01:53] So anyway, so I'll have to credit you for that. And again, it's cool.

[00:01:56] It's been probably worth it.

[00:01:57] I did not know that.

[00:01:59] You don't remember gifting him the game?

[00:02:02] No.

[00:02:03] I'm drunk and late or something.

[00:02:05] Well, I mean, and that's interesting too because Jason, I think if I'm correct,

[00:02:09] you've never played any of the games, right?

[00:02:12] No, I've watched Doug play some Fall Out 4 and it looks good.

[00:02:16] And it's one of those games that I thought I'm going to play this someday,

[00:02:20] but I just haven't gotten around to it because it does seem like my kind of thing.

[00:02:24] It is. I mean, like I say, and even though I was totally into the sister games,

[00:02:29] whatever, the elder scrolls, again, it's just like the game,

[00:02:34] the game queue that we're all have is just way too long.

[00:02:38] And anytime you add something to it, it's just like it pushes something else off.

[00:02:41] But yeah.

[00:02:43] Oh yeah. Every time I start to play one game, there's like at least three or four

[00:02:48] that just get added to the queue.

[00:02:51] And it doesn't help that I go back in a replay games I've already played.

[00:02:55] For example, I just started replaying Fall Out 4 again because of this show.

[00:03:01] You and a million other people, I'm sure.

[00:03:05] Watching Doug play, I had, you know, I just have a vague memory

[00:03:12] because I only watched you for like one or two sessions

[00:03:15] and it just looked so cool, the juxtaposition of this sort of atomic age 50s

[00:03:20] stylings of, hey, Peppy this and that and music.

[00:03:24] And then like death and destruction and decay.

[00:03:27] And that's all I remember. I don't remember any of the story.

[00:03:29] I know it's post apocalyptic, but then how they incorporated that into the show

[00:03:34] is just really super cool.

[00:03:36] Yeah. So I don't know if you guys, I know we're kind of free-forming at a beer,

[00:03:39] but do you want to talk about the visual look of the show?

[00:03:44] Well, we're going to talk some of the video game stuff as well.

[00:03:48] We're going to save that a little bit towards the end of the conversation

[00:03:50] because I know some people don't want, some people don't want to risk.

[00:03:54] Like if we bring up something in the game that we didn't see, but we want to see

[00:03:59] and it could be a spoiler for future seasons of the show.

[00:04:03] So we're going to keep that separate towards the end

[00:04:06] and just kind of stick to this first season of the show.

[00:04:10] But because it is, the show's already out,

[00:04:13] most of us have already seen it. All three of us have already seen it.

[00:04:16] Yeah, we're going to be talking about all every episode, right?

[00:04:19] Yes. So there are spoilers for the show within this conversation.

[00:04:24] So we don't have to hold back, but just so the listeners know

[00:04:27] there's a potential for spoilers if you haven't finished the show yet.

[00:04:32] That being said, I figured what we could do to just kick off the conversation

[00:04:36] is kind of give like an overall rating of all eight episodes,

[00:04:40] the first season as a total.

[00:04:41] How many seven heads would we give it?

[00:04:43] I was going to say like bottle caps, like Nuka Cola caps.

[00:04:49] So one to 10 caps. Doug, we'll start with you.

[00:04:55] Man, right on the spot.

[00:04:58] OK, so I'd have to say it was, you know, certainly for getting

[00:05:05] the visual style and sort of having the fallout, you know, sort of,

[00:05:13] how do I want to cut it? Sort of like there.

[00:05:16] There.

[00:05:18] I don't know how do you say it exactly?

[00:05:20] But, you know, there's a sort of a fallout universe.

[00:05:22] I don't want to call it that. And I think they nailed that.

[00:05:25] Right. The vibe, the aesthetic, the feel, that kind of thing.

[00:05:28] Yeah. I mean, if there's definitely a fallout, you know,

[00:05:31] yeah, you call it an aesthetic, you know, again,

[00:05:34] sort of the visual style, the, you know, the sort of character,

[00:05:39] the, you know, there's all sorts of, you know, super duper Mar and

[00:05:44] Nuka Cola and yum yum devil eggs and all these things.

[00:05:48] Right. Like there's all this stuff that's very much,

[00:05:50] you know, sort of in their universe.

[00:05:52] And I think they pretty much nailed it to the point where,

[00:05:55] you know, I don't know how much of it is CGI,

[00:05:57] but I figure there should be so much merch, you know,

[00:06:00] bobbleheads and, you know, food and drinks and all that stuff.

[00:06:04] Now the thing is they've already did that for the games decade ago.

[00:06:08] Yeah. So maybe they're bringing it up.

[00:06:10] But again, they really should push all that again.

[00:06:13] So yeah. So again, for visual style,

[00:06:16] a 10 for the audio, you know, the mute soundtrack and the,

[00:06:22] you know, the skirt is the audio design.

[00:06:25] I'd give that, you know, at least a nine or a 10.

[00:06:30] I'm going to say the writing though has been a little iffy,

[00:06:33] particularly starting out.

[00:06:35] I thought it was, you know, there was definitely some growing pains on that.

[00:06:38] So I would, you know, for story, you know, sort of writing,

[00:06:42] I'm probably going to give that a seven or eight and then some episodes

[00:06:45] definitely were better than others.

[00:06:47] You know, we're up there.

[00:06:51] Yeah. So I don't know what's that, an eight or something?

[00:06:54] Yeah. Probably about an eight and a half. Yeah.

[00:06:57] Yeah. I'd say that's right around there.

[00:06:59] Jason, how about you?

[00:07:03] I liked it a lot.

[00:07:05] I really, really liked it.

[00:07:07] I loved how it dropped you into this crazy world

[00:07:11] that's different enough and stylized enough from our own

[00:07:15] that even though like I wasn't even expecting to learn

[00:07:20] about how things came to be the way they were.

[00:07:23] I was just enjoying living in the world and seeing the characters.

[00:07:27] And so then later on when we did get a lot of the backstory

[00:07:31] and questions answered and also deeper themes

[00:07:36] and a broader, richer story than we thought we were getting,

[00:07:41] you know how things kept connected together and everything.

[00:07:44] That surprised me in a good way.

[00:07:46] So at first I was kind of thinking, yeah, this is a fun show.

[00:07:49] It looks cool.

[00:07:50] It's an adventure, but it's not that deep.

[00:07:52] And then when it turned out to be much more than met the eye,

[00:07:56] I liked it even more.

[00:07:57] So I'd probably give it a good nine.

[00:08:01] All right.

[00:08:02] Yeah.

[00:08:03] I'm kind of on the same level with you both as somebody,

[00:08:07] you know, similar to you, Doug, who has played a couple

[00:08:10] iterations of the game.

[00:08:12] I haven't played all of them, you know,

[00:08:15] and just from what I've learned of this world,

[00:08:19] which in essence is kind of, I guess, like an alternate reality

[00:08:23] to our own, you know, because we have cars that are powered

[00:08:27] by fusion and things like that.

[00:08:30] Cryogenics and stuff.

[00:08:32] Exactly, which we don't have in our own world.

[00:08:35] So it's kind of an alternate reality.

[00:08:37] But taking what little I knew of this world from the games

[00:08:41] that I've played and then watching the series from

[00:08:44] Episode One, it kind of throws you right in.

[00:08:47] You know, you're in that vault and you're kind of already

[00:08:52] learning more about the history of this world that the games

[00:08:55] didn't tell us right from the start.

[00:08:58] And like you, Jason, I was kind of intrigued the more and more

[00:09:01] I learned the history of everything that I already didn't

[00:09:04] know from playing the games, the more I was drawn into

[00:09:07] this world.

[00:09:08] And I, from the performances, from a number of the actors

[00:09:14] to the soundtrack was phenomenal.

[00:09:17] I'm somebody, as Jason knows, I'm huge in the music

[00:09:20] and of all generations.

[00:09:23] And the soundtrack is amazing hearing all those old school

[00:09:27] songs pop into it.

[00:09:29] And Doug, as you mentioned, the visuals are just,

[00:09:32] I'm sure most of it is CGI, but I mean, come on,

[00:09:37] like it's so well done that you believe this world

[00:09:41] exists.

[00:09:42] I think if this show had come out 15, 20 years ago,

[00:09:46] it would be the show.

[00:09:48] You know, now the entertainment landscape is so fractured,

[00:09:51] but it would be the water cooler show that everybody

[00:09:53] was talking about.

[00:09:54] It would.

[00:09:55] It would be the new water cooler show.

[00:09:56] Yeah.

[00:09:57] It kind of is already a little bit, but not as much as

[00:09:58] it would be.

[00:09:59] So I mean my rating of it, I'd probably give it about

[00:10:02] an 8.5.

[00:10:03] I mean, I'm pretty high up there as well.

[00:10:05] The only reason I wouldn't bump it to nine has

[00:10:08] actually nothing to do with the visuals or the music.

[00:10:11] It's the fact that Amazon released them all at once.

[00:10:14] Yeah.

[00:10:15] I wasn't crazy about that.

[00:10:17] You know, me neither.

[00:10:19] And if they had released it weekly, we probably would

[00:10:21] have done a weekly podcast and gotten really deep

[00:10:23] into each episode.

[00:10:25] And I read in an interview, they had considered it,

[00:10:31] you know, releasing weekly or the different release

[00:10:34] things, maybe doing a few at once and then more

[00:10:36] like they do sometimes.

[00:10:37] But they said something about how Reddit would

[00:10:42] figure things out if given enough time, you know,

[00:10:45] basically that people would figure things out.

[00:10:47] And I was confused by that because I read that

[00:10:50] about two episodes in after I'd watched about

[00:10:52] two episodes and I'm like, this isn't a mystery

[00:10:54] show.

[00:10:55] Why do we care about people figuring things

[00:10:57] out?

[00:10:58] But by the end I realized, oh yeah, there's a

[00:10:59] ton of questions and there's twists and

[00:11:01] things.

[00:11:02] And I think, you know, Lisa Joy and Jonathan

[00:11:04] Nolan are the executive producers behind this.

[00:11:07] And they, there are previous big experiences with

[00:11:09] Westworld, which people did spend so much time

[00:11:12] trying to figure out.

[00:11:13] So I feel like maybe that informed their decision

[00:11:16] to put them all out at once.

[00:11:17] But I really wish they hadn't.

[00:11:18] I would rather be able to chew on the show

[00:11:20] over a period of eight weeks.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:23] Well, like, go ahead, Doug, sorry.

[00:11:25] Well, I was going to, you know, I don't know

[00:11:28] how, you know, we'll cover this one more.

[00:11:30] But again, a big part of the fallout

[00:11:34] show and the video games is the tone, right?

[00:11:37] They have to balance this very careful tone.

[00:11:40] Like you were saying with this sort of like

[00:11:42] hyper-optimistic post-World War II, you know,

[00:11:45] everything's great.

[00:11:47] Okey-dokey.

[00:11:48] Yeah, everything's super swell.

[00:11:51] With, you know, compare that with this

[00:11:53] totally bomb out, completely destroyed,

[00:11:56] mutated, everything's ugly, everything is broken.

[00:12:01] And the craved selfish murderous monsters and peas.

[00:12:05] Right.

[00:12:06] And that, I guess, is the sort of fallout tone, right?

[00:12:11] How to balance that sort of like hyper-optimistic

[00:12:15] with this awful horribleness, right?

[00:12:18] The apocalypse.

[00:12:20] And then also is this very ironic tone, right?

[00:12:24] Like they're very much winking at us.

[00:12:26] Campy.

[00:12:27] Yeah.

[00:12:28] Yeah.

[00:12:29] It's, I mean, it's campy.

[00:12:31] They don't really try to get too far in a camp

[00:12:33] because it's pretty serious stuff.

[00:12:35] But they're winking with both eyes, right?

[00:12:38] Like that is a big part of it.

[00:12:40] They're blinking basically.

[00:12:42] Yeah.

[00:12:43] And everything is fits into, feeds into that, right?

[00:12:46] Like again, that 50, you know,

[00:12:48] that post-World War II 50s hyper-optimistic thing,

[00:12:51] the look and then obviously the music, right?

[00:12:54] Like they sort of, those songs that they use

[00:12:57] are very, very much, you know, meaningful, right?

[00:13:00] When they have Johnny Cash,

[00:13:02] don't bring your guns to town when the ghoul has a big shootout,

[00:13:07] right?

[00:13:08] Like there's this very meaningful.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:11] So again, so that, you know, again,

[00:13:12] I think they really did nail that tone

[00:13:14] and that look so well.

[00:13:15] Well, and it's really interesting,

[00:13:17] you know, when you kind of think about it too,

[00:13:19] is that we're watching a show that takes place in this world.

[00:13:22] But within this world, there are two worlds of themselves.

[00:13:25] You know, we have the surface world,

[00:13:27] which as you mentioned is kind of depraved

[00:13:29] and death and murderous.

[00:13:30] And then we have, you know, the underground world

[00:13:33] in the vaults where, you know, people are naive

[00:13:37] and, you know, all happy, go lucky and okie-dokie.

[00:13:41] Yeah.

[00:13:42] And, yeah.

[00:13:44] And then when you, but when you watch these stories

[00:13:46] play out, the surface level is where everything,

[00:13:51] the story is very surface level itself,

[00:13:54] where everything is out in the open.

[00:13:56] You're just following along.

[00:13:57] Everything is how it seems.

[00:13:59] It's murderous.

[00:14:00] It's evil.

[00:14:01] And then it's down underground.

[00:14:03] It's the deeper world where we get the deeper story

[00:14:07] that's playing out with, you know,

[00:14:09] these people are not really who they seem to be,

[00:14:12] but they don't know they're not these people.

[00:14:14] They don't even know.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] I just, I love how the stories play out the same way.

[00:14:18] Yeah.

[00:14:19] When you're on the surface of your underground,

[00:14:21] or deeper underground, that's how the stories play out as well.

[00:14:24] You get these raiders that came down,

[00:14:27] you know, and impersonated the people in Vault 32

[00:14:31] so they could infiltrate.

[00:14:33] And then some of them get captured for a while

[00:14:37] in their prisons and the denizens of Vault 33

[00:14:41] are like, we should educate them

[00:14:43] and we'll teach them about morality via Kant

[00:14:46] and whatever philosophers.

[00:14:48] And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of ironic.

[00:14:51] You're talking about teaching them about morality

[00:14:53] when the reason you're here is because the company

[00:14:56] that built your home killed,

[00:14:58] tried to kill everyone on the surface.

[00:15:00] You know?

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:02] I love that irony, that irony.

[00:15:04] Yeah.

[00:15:05] But you know, going back to something you said earlier, Jason,

[00:15:08] too, about, you know, the release schedule of the show

[00:15:10] and how Amazon put it out all at once.

[00:15:12] And you said, like, had we had the show come out weekly,

[00:15:15] we probably would have podcasted on it weekly

[00:15:17] and done a deeper dive in each episode.

[00:15:19] That was the original plan when this show was announced.

[00:15:22] Yeah.

[00:15:23] Because Amazon releases, I think this is the first series

[00:15:26] they've released everything at once.

[00:15:28] Usually they're weekly.

[00:15:30] Yeah, like Wheel of Time?

[00:15:32] Wheel of Time, Lord of the Rings, Invincible,

[00:15:34] like The Boys, everything they release,

[00:15:37] occasionally they'll release like the first three

[00:15:40] and then everything else's weekly.

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:43] But we just assumed when this show was announced,

[00:15:45] it was going to be weekly, so that was the plan.

[00:15:48] I mean, if you believe this interview I read,

[00:15:50] they did it because they didn't want people

[00:15:52] figuring out the secrets before everyone had a chance

[00:15:54] to watch it.

[00:15:55] I can buy into that, especially like you mentioned

[00:15:57] with Westworld.

[00:15:58] So let me ask you this.

[00:16:00] Do you think that as much of this show

[00:16:03] is based on these secrets?

[00:16:05] Like is this a lost file mystery, you know,

[00:16:07] where it's seen with Super D?

[00:16:09] To me.

[00:16:10] Well, because I didn't feel like...

[00:16:12] The problem with Lost is the mysteries were core

[00:16:14] to the show and then they ended up being kind of irrelevant

[00:16:16] and the answers were not satisfying,

[00:16:19] but there are other things in the show that were.

[00:16:21] In this show, like I said,

[00:16:23] because it's so different from our own world

[00:16:25] and interesting and arched,

[00:16:27] like you said, the tone is important.

[00:16:29] That's what you're getting at, right, Doug?

[00:16:31] There's a lot of things going on

[00:16:33] for this show besides that stuff.

[00:16:36] So it's not the core of it in my opinion.

[00:16:38] The most delightful things about the show

[00:16:40] are the visual design, the thrills,

[00:16:43] the humor and the drama of it.

[00:16:46] But there is also this crazy story

[00:16:50] with the twists and turns that's a part of it.

[00:16:52] It's one factor to me.

[00:16:53] It's not the factor.

[00:16:55] Okay.

[00:16:56] Yeah.

[00:16:57] That's what I think.

[00:16:58] Yeah.

[00:16:59] I mean, you know,

[00:17:01] we're going to talk about the games later,

[00:17:03] but I didn't feel like the story,

[00:17:05] those kinds of mysteries

[00:17:07] were really that big of the games even.

[00:17:10] You know, like the bombs already went off.

[00:17:12] The whole world's destroyed.

[00:17:14] There's no mystery

[00:17:18] in what's going to happen, right?

[00:17:19] It's nice to know this backstory, right?

[00:17:21] And it is cool and they do.

[00:17:22] But I think that's the way

[00:17:23] the show's different from the games

[00:17:24] because it is, it is,

[00:17:26] it's not the whole thing,

[00:17:27] like I said, but it is a significant part,

[00:17:29] you know, 20% or something,

[00:17:31] especially the last few episodes,

[00:17:32] they really dealt into the mind blowing

[00:17:35] revelations and all that.

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:37] I mean, you know,

[00:17:38] the things that we find out about Vault Tech

[00:17:40] and they're this evil corporation,

[00:17:42] you know, with the world that we live in now,

[00:17:44] I just had that been spoiled for me ahead of time.

[00:17:47] It wouldn't have affected me watching the show.

[00:17:49] Yeah.

[00:17:50] It would have been like,

[00:17:51] oh, big corp is bad.

[00:17:52] Okay.

[00:17:53] We got it.

[00:17:54] It's moving on.

[00:17:55] Let's keep watching.

[00:17:56] Yeah.

[00:17:57] My favorite,

[00:17:58] like I have a whole list of funny things here,

[00:17:59] but my favorite is when we see

[00:18:02] Cooper's wife Barb in a meeting

[00:18:04] with the other executives of Vault Tech

[00:18:06] and telling them that,

[00:18:08] and other companies that they're partnering with.

[00:18:10] She's saying that they have hundreds of Vault

[00:18:12] spread across America

[00:18:13] and enough for each of you to claim several

[00:18:15] where you can play out your own ideas

[00:18:17] for how to create the perfect conditions for humanity.

[00:18:19] Whatever you want to do,

[00:18:20] no one needs to know

[00:18:21] and may the best idea win.

[00:18:22] And then the execs start shouting up

[00:18:24] all their ideas.

[00:18:25] We could intentionally overcrowd a vault

[00:18:28] so people have to compete to survive inside it.

[00:18:31] We've been developing a robot

[00:18:33] that's built to the front door.

[00:18:34] It's quite intelligent.

[00:18:35] I would like to see a vault governed by it.

[00:18:37] What about using a vault

[00:18:38] to develop a super mutant soldier

[00:18:40] using illegal immigrants?

[00:18:41] We could pump psychotropic drugs

[00:18:43] into the air supply.

[00:18:44] We could separate parents and children

[00:18:46] and only the smartest kids reach adulthood.

[00:18:49] So, okay.

[00:18:51] So that is,

[00:18:52] that's a huge part of the fallout sort of universe.

[00:18:57] Yeah.

[00:18:58] Vault Tech is not a good corporation.

[00:19:02] And in fact, you know, like in that super hyper optimistic,

[00:19:05] everything swell, you know,

[00:19:07] we'll be able to survive the after the bombs fall.

[00:19:11] No, basically they wanted to take their money

[00:19:14] and use them for weird experiments.

[00:19:16] Yeah.

[00:19:17] So mostly sadistic ones at that, right?

[00:19:19] Like they're just doing it

[00:19:21] just more or less for fun or just as audience.

[00:19:24] Right.

[00:19:25] When you learn that they halted the spread of

[00:19:28] or the development of fusion,

[00:19:30] which would provide unlimited energy.

[00:19:32] And that would have ended the Sino American war

[00:19:35] that is raising all these tensions about nuclear war.

[00:19:38] And it would have probably stopped nuclear war

[00:19:40] just because they want to sell these vaults.

[00:19:43] Fiduciary obligation to their shareholders,

[00:19:45] which is a commentary on capitalism.

[00:19:47] I think that's one of the themes.

[00:19:49] Individuality and capitalism versus

[00:19:51] if you say it in a dirty way, communism,

[00:19:53] but also just caring about people.

[00:19:57] Well, let's just say the,

[00:19:59] well, I don't know the spoiler,

[00:20:01] but again, the Chinese don't come up looking so good either.

[00:20:04] Yeah.

[00:20:05] I mean, everybody is a nail.

[00:20:07] Yeah.

[00:20:08] So again, the idea is that they're basically selling the vaults,

[00:20:12] but really it's just the front for doing these weird scientific

[00:20:16] experiments by these mad scientists.

[00:20:18] And it brings in like a lot of the fifties,

[00:20:21] you know, sort of like B movie sci-fi stuff.

[00:20:24] I mean, it's like right out of that, right?

[00:20:26] Like the weird robots, you know, are like,

[00:20:29] much from that era.

[00:20:31] Well, that's what Vault 4, I sort of pieced together because

[00:20:34] you see Cooper in the past at that,

[00:20:38] was it at the party or somewhere and he sees the Vault 4

[00:20:42] scientist or maybe it was when he was filming the commercial.

[00:20:44] He was filming the commercial.

[00:20:45] Yeah.

[00:20:46] It was in Vault 4 that he filmed that commercial.

[00:20:48] And that was going to be where they have scientists leading it.

[00:20:51] And then you find out they tried to hybridize radioactive

[00:20:54] people with regular people and it created these monsters that

[00:20:56] attack them.

[00:20:58] Yeah.

[00:20:59] Yeah.

[00:21:00] So it's all this like this weird sort of like B movie sci-fi stuff

[00:21:04] that they're playing off of.

[00:21:06] Again, all of the other, they have so much,

[00:21:09] you know, sort of like cultural ephemera that they can just

[00:21:11] sort of mix in and come up with this sort of stew of

[00:21:15] just like again, everything is crazy, you know,

[00:21:19] over the top and bizarre.

[00:21:21] I mean, what's great about it is it is a commentary on the

[00:21:25] dangers of capitalism and how that can be destructive to society

[00:21:29] and everyone if it's too extreme or whatever you think.

[00:21:34] So it's relevant, right?

[00:21:36] But also there's such a joy in how they present it that it's

[00:21:39] super fun too.

[00:21:41] Like it's violent and awful and fun.

[00:21:44] Yeah.

[00:21:45] I mean, and if you've ever seen any kind of any other post

[00:21:47] apocalyptic movie or, you know, some kind of like deep impact

[00:21:53] or, you know, the last day on earth or whatever,

[00:21:56] it always turns out that the big corporations are always more

[00:21:58] about greed than they are of actually saving humanity.

[00:22:01] I think the bigger spoiler of Fallout would have been

[00:22:03] Vault Tech actually being a good company.

[00:22:06] Yeah.

[00:22:07] That would have been a bigger spoiler than them turning

[00:22:09] out to be the company that they actually are.

[00:22:11] There was a documentary about corporations about maybe

[00:22:15] 15, 20 years ago that kind of compared it's a systemic thing

[00:22:21] like a corporation is hungry for profits just by its nature

[00:22:26] and at the expense of people's well-being.

[00:22:30] And they compared that to the mind of a psychotic person

[00:22:33] and it's the same, you know?

[00:22:35] That's a problem.

[00:22:36] Yeah.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:38] Yeah.

[00:22:39] So if you were to sort of psychoanalyze a corporation,

[00:22:42] it would be a psychopath.

[00:22:44] Yeah.

[00:22:45] That's what this movie was saying.

[00:22:47] Yeah.

[00:22:48] You know, continuing on with, you know, talks about the story

[00:22:51] and such, you know, one of the things, and again, like as we

[00:22:54] kind of discussed, we'll dive into the game and make the

[00:22:58] comparison from the game, what we know about the game to

[00:23:00] the show later.

[00:23:01] But I enjoyed really learning more about this world than

[00:23:06] what I didn't know from, you know, one of my favorite

[00:23:10] parts of this whole thing was even before Lucy even leaves

[00:23:13] the vault, there's so much like little nuance and so much little

[00:23:16] fun stuff about them living as this commune between these

[00:23:21] three different vaults.

[00:23:23] You know, the fact that they marry off one of them as kind

[00:23:25] of like a, it's a trade in essence is a marriage is a

[00:23:28] trade amongst these people.

[00:23:31] But before they become married, it's kind of okay,

[00:23:34] incest is allowed.

[00:23:35] That made me chuckle quite a bit.

[00:23:38] The fact that she was sleeping with her cousin for

[00:23:40] practice.

[00:23:41] Were they actually going all the way or were they just

[00:23:44] fooling around?

[00:23:45] Oh, no, I'm pretty sure they were actually sleeping

[00:23:48] together.

[00:23:49] Oh, that's, let's say it was implied pretty heavily.

[00:23:53] Yeah.

[00:23:54] But I mean, like if you look at this environment though,

[00:23:59] like who else are they going to like, you know, it's

[00:24:04] kind of strange.

[00:24:06] I love what your sperm count to the guy, you know,

[00:24:09] that she thought was going to be her husband.

[00:24:11] Like she's focused on propagating the species and

[00:24:13] it made sense.

[00:24:14] It's funny too.

[00:24:15] But what I thought was a little weird is when she was

[00:24:19] just hanging out with Max Maximus, does name?

[00:24:23] Yeah.

[00:24:24] Later.

[00:24:25] And they didn't seem to have any chemistry to me.

[00:24:29] And all of a sudden she said, do you want to have

[00:24:31] sex?

[00:24:32] Didn't that seem to come out of left field?

[00:24:34] Anybody else?

[00:24:35] I thought that was supposed to be like there was

[00:24:37] something going on in that vault that was making

[00:24:39] people like act crazy.

[00:24:41] Like, and again, subtly.

[00:24:43] So like, again, I may have just been reading into

[00:24:46] that, but that's, I mean, they made that like the

[00:24:48] title episode was the trap.

[00:24:50] So the whole thing was like, it was like already

[00:24:53] very hallucinatory to begin with.

[00:24:55] You know, that's a good upload.

[00:24:57] You might be onto something with that too.

[00:24:59] I mean, especially considering that, yeah, it's

[00:25:02] involved for that that happens.

[00:25:05] There's mention as you know, Jason, as you mentioned,

[00:25:07] you know, when the, when the vault tech people were

[00:25:09] talking about all the different things they could

[00:25:11] do, putting psychotropic in the air was one of the

[00:25:14] experiments that could have gone.

[00:25:16] And the room that they came out of was labeled

[00:25:19] test subjects.

[00:25:21] Yeah.

[00:25:22] So and you might be onto something with that.

[00:25:25] Okay.

[00:25:26] Well, that would shed some light because I thought

[00:25:28] it seemed weird for her to do that.

[00:25:31] Yeah.

[00:25:32] And again, like you were, well, you know,

[00:25:35] not judging it.

[00:25:36] I just thought it was.

[00:25:37] But there really wasn't much actually like.

[00:25:41] In the first episode.

[00:25:43] They had some sexy time, but they still,

[00:25:45] it wasn't that much, you know, like,

[00:25:47] it wasn't full rated X or anything.

[00:25:49] Well, I mean, again, it was very brief and

[00:25:53] not that much.

[00:25:54] And yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:25:55] Most of the series is almost asexual,

[00:25:58] you know, from sort of a hot lead walking around

[00:26:02] in a tight suit all the time.

[00:26:04] It ends up not being all that sexy somehow.

[00:26:07] It was funny when Maximus was like,

[00:26:11] Oh, I don't want to have sex because then

[00:26:15] what did you say?

[00:26:16] Like my penis will get hard and pop like a pimple.

[00:26:19] And pop like a pimple.

[00:26:21] She's like, yeah, that's kind of the idea.

[00:26:23] Yeah.

[00:26:26] Yeah, like, you know, these people are like sort of like

[00:26:29] children in a lot of ways, you know, in terms of maturity.

[00:26:33] You know, even though they're blasting people's heads off

[00:26:36] and such, but.

[00:26:37] Yeah, OK, so.

[00:26:43] The uncivilized world.

[00:26:45] The uncivilized world.

[00:26:47] Well, OK, so I guess, you know, what I'll maybe

[00:26:49] sort of bring up is that.

[00:26:51] You know, again, like you were mentioned as sort

[00:26:54] of like this duality, right?

[00:26:55] So it's underground.

[00:26:56] There's a lot of like seeing these dual versions

[00:27:00] of people, right?

[00:27:01] So you saw, you know, the ghoul sort of as a human

[00:27:04] and then as a ghoul, right?

[00:27:05] Then you see the alt-dweller and then suddenly she's

[00:27:09] now looking like a raider, right?

[00:27:10] Like she's covered in blood and she's got the outfit

[00:27:13] and everything, right?

[00:27:14] So that's now two versions of her.

[00:27:16] Also duality in good versus evil and the

[00:27:19] gray area in between where I love when you see

[00:27:22] the blooper in his movie and he's about to kill

[00:27:25] somebody and then he stops and says, my character

[00:27:27] wouldn't do this.

[00:27:28] And that's just opposed with how he turned out later.

[00:27:31] Yeah.

[00:27:32] So.

[00:27:33] So.

[00:27:34] Or wait, let me mention one more.

[00:27:35] The guy that Matt Berry played the guy from

[00:27:37] what we do in the shadow is a comedian.

[00:27:39] Yeah.

[00:27:40] Yeah.

[00:27:41] So you see him as and I love like this kind of

[00:27:43] goes back to my earlier comment about how

[00:27:45] the show kind of dropped us into the world,

[00:27:47] but then it would explain things later.

[00:27:48] So you see him as this SNP, SNP, Oregon

[00:27:50] actor robot and then later you find out that he

[00:27:53] was an actor who lent his voice to probably an

[00:27:56] earlier prototype or that led to that robot or

[00:27:58] something.

[00:27:59] But then they have this great transition where

[00:28:01] Cooper and the actor guy that Matt Berry plays

[00:28:03] are just like cheers in each other to the

[00:28:05] future.

[00:28:06] And then they cut to Cooper as a ghoul in

[00:28:09] the future and Matt Berry robot has just

[00:28:11] been like destroyed and he's spouting out his

[00:28:13] last few words, you know,

[00:28:15] that was.

[00:28:16] Yeah.

[00:28:17] That was.

[00:28:18] I interrupted.

[00:28:19] All out.

[00:28:20] Did you guys check was that actually the Mr.

[00:28:22] Handy voice actor guy?

[00:28:24] Yes.

[00:28:25] So they so he played the boy.

[00:28:28] Yeah.

[00:28:29] Now has a lot, you know, of this of live role,

[00:28:32] I guess.

[00:28:33] Well, wait, no, you mean from the.

[00:28:35] Yeah, he's not the voice from the game.

[00:28:37] Oh, but it's the guy that Cooper was

[00:28:40] having drinks with Matt Berry.

[00:28:41] Yeah.

[00:28:42] Yeah.

[00:28:43] Okay.

[00:28:44] Because that was kind of weird because

[00:28:45] it was like, wow, it's Mr. Handy.

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:47] And then he was like, he was the voice actor for

[00:28:49] it.

[00:28:50] But I was trying to see did they actually get

[00:28:52] the real because it was his voice, right?

[00:28:54] That's the Mr. Handy voice.

[00:28:55] Even from.

[00:28:56] Oh, I did both.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:58] In the show in the show.

[00:28:59] That's my point.

[00:29:00] Yeah.

[00:29:01] So the story is that the.

[00:29:03] The Matt Berry plays an actor who lent his

[00:29:05] voice to the robot and somehow that ended

[00:29:07] up being the voice of snip, snip.

[00:29:09] It ends up in perpetuity that it's like

[00:29:11] the voice of every robot.

[00:29:12] And yeah.

[00:29:13] Yeah.

[00:29:14] And I think that's one of those things

[00:29:15] when I was watching because I'm a huge

[00:29:17] what we do in the shadows fan, like I

[00:29:19] adore that show so much.

[00:29:20] Yeah.

[00:29:21] At the moment he started speaking, I was

[00:29:23] like, oh, I know that voice.

[00:29:25] And it's great they got him and they

[00:29:27] got Fred Armisen to play this DJ guy

[00:29:30] who kills anyone that comes to you

[00:29:32] about.

[00:29:33] There are so many cameo appearances

[00:29:35] in this show.

[00:29:36] We'll talk about that when we get to

[00:29:38] some of the performances, but Doug

[00:29:40] back to your point.

[00:29:42] Well, you know, again, so I was just

[00:29:44] talking about there's a lot of just

[00:29:46] this duality, right?

[00:29:47] You see people in, you know, one

[00:29:49] role or another, right?

[00:29:51] And they kind of go back and forth.

[00:29:52] And I thought that was, you know,

[00:29:53] kind of done in a sort of a cool

[00:29:55] way and the sort of like to highlight

[00:29:57] that is, you know, like, like you

[00:29:59] were saying we don't know really who

[00:30:01] these people are.

[00:30:02] We're sort of dropped in and we don't

[00:30:04] know the universe even or their

[00:30:06] backstories or a whole lot.

[00:30:07] So we again, then

[00:30:09] they play on that by going back and

[00:30:11] forth and really sort of confusing

[00:30:12] you a bit.

[00:30:13] Moldaver, she's do you think

[00:30:15] she's the bad guy then?

[00:30:16] Oh, maybe she's kind of the good guy.

[00:30:18] Lucy's father.

[00:30:19] He seems like a good guy, maybe kind

[00:30:21] of a bad guy.

[00:30:22] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:30:23] And you know, some of these

[00:30:25] there, you know, they look like

[00:30:27] you're trusted overseer, but they're

[00:30:29] actually a double plan or something,

[00:30:31] you know, again, so it was sort

[00:30:33] of interesting to see how they

[00:30:34] worked that out and how they were

[00:30:36] able to, you know, sort of

[00:30:38] bring this story across

[00:30:40] again with these dual roles.

[00:30:42] So again, it's I was I didn't

[00:30:44] sort of keep an eye out for that,

[00:30:46] you know, sort of see how they

[00:30:47] sort of changed over time or

[00:30:49] you know, as they went back and

[00:30:51] forth.

[00:30:52] Well, I love that because it's

[00:30:54] sort of I just like the idea

[00:30:56] that you can always take

[00:30:58] things as they seem on first

[00:31:00] glance.

[00:31:01] That's kind of the lesson here

[00:31:02] and the fun of it is there's

[00:31:04] twists and stuff, but the deeper

[00:31:06] lesson is there's more to people

[00:31:08] than might meet the eye at first,

[00:31:10] you know.

[00:31:11] Yeah, well, even

[00:31:14] you know, Cooper himself or

[00:31:16] you know, or the goal is like

[00:31:18] there's a lot of duality to his character too, not

[00:31:20] just in, you know, the

[00:31:22] past to the present.

[00:31:23] There's a lot of duality just in

[00:31:25] his present form as the goal too, because

[00:31:27] he really comes off as a villain in the

[00:31:29] beginning only to find out what his true

[00:31:31] purpose is and the lens

[00:31:33] to find his family to go to get to

[00:31:35] that. Yeah, exactly his daughter. Yeah.

[00:31:37] He reminded me of the man in black from

[00:31:39] Westworld a lot.

[00:31:40] There are a lot of similarities that I

[00:31:42] picked up on with that too.

[00:31:43] Yeah.

[00:31:44] So it's yeah.

[00:31:46] So do you guys know who's

[00:31:48] doing the writing?

[00:31:51] There's some names, but I don't really

[00:31:53] know them. I mean, I think at least

[00:31:55] Jonathan Nolan directed the first three

[00:31:57] and I think they

[00:31:59] write they help.

[00:32:00] Okay.

[00:32:01] Cool. Yeah, I'm just sort of curious if

[00:32:03] you've, you know, any of those names

[00:32:05] sort of caught your guys's eye.

[00:32:07] There was some guy who used to write

[00:32:09] for Silicon Valley, which was an

[00:32:11] excellent show. Yeah.

[00:32:13] Yeah, I'm looking at it now.

[00:32:15] Chaz Hawkins is

[00:32:17] one of the head writers.

[00:32:19] It doesn't look like

[00:32:21] Oh, wait a minute. No, that's why

[00:32:23] he's listed as an executive

[00:32:25] story editor. But when I click on his

[00:32:27] link on IMDB,

[00:32:29] he's a camera and an electrical

[00:32:31] department.

[00:32:32] Well, you

[00:32:34] Doug, you said the writing at first

[00:32:36] you had some trouble with.

[00:32:38] Curious to know what you mean because I

[00:32:40] thought the whole thing,

[00:32:42] especially the dialogue

[00:32:44] and the jokes and stuff were really

[00:32:46] well done.

[00:32:47] Yeah.

[00:32:48] You know, again, a lot of this

[00:32:50] again, it's kind of getting that tone

[00:32:52] right? And that's a it's a fine balance.

[00:32:54] You know, and I have to say

[00:32:56] that probably it was a bit, you know,

[00:32:58] I come from the

[00:33:00] playing the game so much that

[00:33:03] you know, universal stories are all

[00:33:05] sort of ingrained in me. But I guess

[00:33:07] the thing is like

[00:33:09] particularly in the first episodes,

[00:33:11] again, you sort of like the mystery, but I was

[00:33:13] like, man, you know, they're sort of just

[00:33:15] thrown out. There's there's sort of a

[00:33:17] difference between, you know, having

[00:33:19] sort of a well thought out and well

[00:33:21] constructed story

[00:33:22] based on a universe

[00:33:24] or just having callouts

[00:33:26] to the fanboys, right?

[00:33:28] Yeah. Or like,

[00:33:30] just withholding things

[00:33:32] to keep us baited. Like I can

[00:33:34] be pretty critical of that kind

[00:33:36] of a thing. But when they weave

[00:33:38] into the story why

[00:33:40] you wouldn't know yet, then

[00:33:42] it's more it's better for me.

[00:33:44] And so it made more sense that this secret

[00:33:46] would have also been kept like from the denizens

[00:33:48] of the vaults of what the true nature

[00:33:50] of the vaults are and stuff like that. So

[00:33:52] then it then it's better.

[00:33:54] Yeah, so I guess my tape was

[00:33:56] that I mean, there's there's sort of those story

[00:33:58] things. But it's just sort of like,

[00:34:00] you know, you get dropped into this. You

[00:34:02] don't know what the vaults are. You don't

[00:34:04] Vaultek is you don't want these people

[00:34:06] are their roles. You don't know what the outside world

[00:34:08] is. You don't know

[00:34:10] really anything right. And yeah,

[00:34:12] you so know what the Brotherhood of

[00:34:14] Steel. You don't know why the war

[00:34:16] started.

[00:34:18] You don't know anything. Yeah, you pretty much

[00:34:20] as an audience live for 200 years.

[00:34:22] You pretty much had questions, by the way, I

[00:34:24] want to ask you guys some questions and see

[00:34:26] at some point if you can answer them as an audience

[00:34:28] member, you pretty much start out as a vault

[00:34:30] weller. You know, you are just as in the dark

[00:34:32] as the vault dwellers are, you know exactly

[00:34:34] more in the dark.

[00:34:36] I don't even know about the wall dollars,

[00:34:38] right? Yeah, all these things that they're

[00:34:40] bringing up that you have no clue about. So

[00:34:42] I just like, well, again, is it just call

[00:34:44] out to the fanboys and they're just going to put

[00:34:46] in these references just because, oh, OK, there

[00:34:48] it is. Or is it part of this again

[00:34:50] overall narrative? Right.

[00:34:52] I mean, I wondered because I haven't played the

[00:34:54] games whether you guys would

[00:34:56] receive it differently than me because

[00:34:58] you do know probably more of

[00:35:00] this backstory than I do, I would presume.

[00:35:02] But I didn't care

[00:35:04] that I didn't know that it didn't

[00:35:06] impact me. And also while

[00:35:08] I'm on that subject, you know, when you're

[00:35:10] watching something that's based on a game,

[00:35:12] one thing that can really take you out of it

[00:35:14] is if it feels video gamey, which is a

[00:35:16] problem with most video game movies up until

[00:35:18] like the last of us, which totally didn't

[00:35:20] do that at all. And with

[00:35:22] this one,

[00:35:24] it was great. The only thing

[00:35:26] that felt video gamey to me were the

[00:35:28] Stimpaks, but I thought, oh, that's a cool

[00:35:30] nod. I don't care. You know,

[00:35:32] it didn't take me out of it.

[00:35:34] Yeah. I mean, even

[00:35:36] going along with, you know, the element

[00:35:38] of the mystery of everything, you know,

[00:35:40] for the first couple episodes, I felt like, OK,

[00:35:42] this is just an adventure story.

[00:35:44] This is, you know,

[00:35:46] a girl's father got kidnapped.

[00:35:48] She's about to go out into this world. She's

[00:35:50] never faced before to rescue her father.

[00:35:52] It's more of an adventure. It's not

[00:35:54] until we I think we really

[00:35:56] meet Will Zigg, which is Michael Emerson's

[00:35:58] character that now they've

[00:36:00] injected an element of mystery.

[00:36:02] Who is this guy? Why does everybody want

[00:36:04] him? What does he have that everybody

[00:36:06] wants? Because all the questions

[00:36:08] we had before that like

[00:36:10] how did

[00:36:12] these mutants come about or

[00:36:14] like it's things that I wouldn't

[00:36:16] necessarily expect to get an answer

[00:36:18] to in a show like this, you know?

[00:36:20] And so I wasn't thinking

[00:36:22] of it as a mystery show until like

[00:36:24] you said, like what is in this guy's head? We want

[00:36:26] to know that. Like clearly we've got to know what

[00:36:28] that is. It's kind of, you know,

[00:36:30] you're right. Like as audience

[00:36:32] members, we can kind of be like, oh, this is

[00:36:34] nuclear fallout. This is the

[00:36:36] fantasy world. The cause of nuclear fallout.

[00:36:38] And we can

[00:36:40] accept that as kind of viewers and

[00:36:42] there's vaults because people made vaults to

[00:36:44] get away from it. And that's a nice

[00:36:46] really.

[00:36:48] So that's a clear reference to those

[00:36:50] 50s underground bomb shelters

[00:36:52] right that were popular.

[00:36:54] And one of the next level

[00:36:56] as a corporate sort of, you know

[00:36:58] product. When Lucy is in that

[00:37:00] town trying to get information from this

[00:37:02] old woman and she says something about the vaults

[00:37:04] are just where rich people went

[00:37:06] to hide away

[00:37:08] or something derogatory

[00:37:10] and it made me think of Mark Zuckerberg

[00:37:12] who it was reported fairly recently

[00:37:14] that he's creating this huge

[00:37:16] multi-million dollar compound

[00:37:18] in Hawaii. And I'm

[00:37:20] like, Mark Zuckerberg

[00:37:22] is getting ready to hide away

[00:37:24] in case the shit hits the fan. That doesn't

[00:37:26] make me feel good.

[00:37:28] I think a lot of rich people

[00:37:30] are probably doing stuff like that.

[00:37:32] Well, I think and I think actual vaults like

[00:37:34] this or at least one

[00:37:36] actually exists. Isn't there

[00:37:38] something like in Yucca Mountain

[00:37:40] like that the government has

[00:37:42] like is set for

[00:37:44] for this specific reason it is a

[00:37:46] safe zone for a nuclear war.

[00:37:48] So there's

[00:37:50] a number of these for

[00:37:52] I know for

[00:37:54] the federal government right for like the president

[00:37:56] and the vice president and the cabinet

[00:37:58] there are places for those people

[00:38:00] apparently they're somewhere under Washington DC

[00:38:02] or they're about some probably others

[00:38:04] so yeah, so you know and again

[00:38:06] this is all reference to stuff they were doing in the 50s

[00:38:08] right like that when I was

[00:38:10] I used to work for

[00:38:12] parallels software company

[00:38:14] that is a Russian company

[00:38:16] and so I went

[00:38:18] this was about I don't know

[00:38:20] eight years ago now I went to Moscow

[00:38:22] to meet the team

[00:38:24] and hang out and

[00:38:26] on our day off they took

[00:38:28] me to this old

[00:38:30] it's now like a tourist

[00:38:32] attraction but it was one of the

[00:38:34] Russian leaders who was the

[00:38:36] leader in the 60s Khrushchev or somebody

[00:38:38] it was an underground

[00:38:40] way way way deep underground

[00:38:42] vault and it for nuclear

[00:38:44] you know so we went down in there and there was

[00:38:46] all this memorabilia from that time

[00:38:48] down there and then they did this sort of

[00:38:50] experience where all the lights

[00:38:52] went off and you see this red flashing emergency

[00:38:54] light and you hear Russian

[00:38:56] talk coming over the loudspeaker and my friend

[00:38:58] was whispering in my ear what it was saying and

[00:39:00] it was like the missiles from the other side

[00:39:02] have been launched you know

[00:39:04] wow that's really where

[00:39:06] the leaders would have been

[00:39:08] I was like man I feel like I'm in the wrong place

[00:39:10] right now yeah I would have been afraid they were

[00:39:12] actually locking me in this damn vault

[00:39:14] yeah they

[00:39:16] they have any test subjects

[00:39:18] I got out alive

[00:39:20] so they put a psychotropic nose on my forehead

[00:39:22] now but other than that I'm fine

[00:39:24] psychotropics in the air

[00:39:26] so alright so we'll just follow up with you know the story stuff

[00:39:28] I guess I just even though

[00:39:30] I had been playing

[00:39:32] games and I knew this

[00:39:34] universe back and forth I was still

[00:39:36] confused when I was watching it like what is they

[00:39:38] doing here and what's that

[00:39:40] maybe I've had expectations of what

[00:39:42] should have been but

[00:39:44] whether they explain it more

[00:39:46] but the games they

[00:39:48] just wasn't a mystery everything about

[00:39:50] it is pretty much at face

[00:39:52] value right again it's got some

[00:39:54] ironic twist but

[00:39:56] it's a bombed out world and you're getting shot

[00:39:58] at and that's you know

[00:40:00] there isn't a whole lot more to it

[00:40:02] so yeah and then

[00:40:04] I'm going to also say this

[00:40:06] I said that the audio was pretty

[00:40:08] good but

[00:40:10] the dialogue mixing

[00:40:12] was terrible I think

[00:40:14] where a lot of times I couldn't understand what the hell they were saying

[00:40:16] so that made it even harder to watch

[00:40:18] because I didn't know it was you know

[00:40:20] couldn't figure out what was going on because

[00:40:22] they were trying to make it a mystery and then I couldn't hear what they were saying

[00:40:24] so we're spending a lot of time trying

[00:40:26] to mess with the volume because we go up

[00:40:28] and down up and down and again

[00:40:30] just inaudible like I'm sitting here like

[00:40:32] what are they saying I have no clue

[00:40:34] so that just made it harder to

[00:40:36] watch as well oh man

[00:40:38] I have to struggle to watch this stupid thing

[00:40:40] but they got better with the audio mixing

[00:40:42] so this is where my

[00:40:44] criticisms they mix it for sound effects

[00:40:46] and the music

[00:40:48] soundtrack and not for the dialogue

[00:40:50] so the music sounds

[00:40:52] Christine and perfect you never have a problem

[00:40:54] understanding any of the music

[00:40:56] but you can't hear the dialogue

[00:40:58] alright so

[00:41:00] that drove me nuts a little bit

[00:41:02] but again it seemed to get better as it went on

[00:41:04] and then they were you know once they

[00:41:06] you know the mystery is out there

[00:41:08] like they it's

[00:41:10] here's you know they don't explain

[00:41:12] it right but here's what it's the setup right

[00:41:14] once there's the setup then you know okay I get it

[00:41:16] and they just now you can get on with the story

[00:41:18] a little bit more

[00:41:20] okay so

[00:41:22] then I'm gonna bring up one other thing

[00:41:24] here

[00:41:26] so the main character

[00:41:28] in the

[00:41:30] video games is called the lone wanderer

[00:41:32] right but

[00:41:34] Lucy

[00:41:36] did not spend almost any time alone

[00:41:38] she had multiple companions

[00:41:40] at many different times in the

[00:41:42] show so that was

[00:41:44] kind of interesting right because well

[00:41:46] she can't be by herself because then you can have dialogue

[00:41:48] right and they need to have a

[00:41:50] show and they have to tailor that to the format

[00:41:52] in a game it's easier

[00:41:54] to be on your own

[00:41:56] and even at the times that she was alone

[00:41:58] she was still talking to a head

[00:42:00] yeah

[00:42:02] so they could still continue using

[00:42:04] it was really actually a nice little tool that they had

[00:42:06] so that she could continue to have

[00:42:08] dialogue in the show

[00:42:10] without just like kind of walking and talking to herself

[00:42:12] yeah she was talking to a head

[00:42:14] that in essence was her companion

[00:42:16] yeah I was surprised

[00:42:18] if they were gonna get Michael Emerson

[00:42:20] who maybe he's bigger to me because

[00:42:22] I am still a big lost fan but

[00:42:24] he's my favorite character now

[00:42:26] I was surprised he had such a small

[00:42:28] role and I thought Jenny and I were like

[00:42:30] I wonder if that head's gonna start talking at some point

[00:42:32] right is this gonna be

[00:42:34] sort of like Greek tragedy thing

[00:42:36] it's gonna become Swiss army man

[00:42:38] where the corpse is gonna start talking

[00:42:40] and doing all these cool things

[00:42:42] but yeah did they really just write him out

[00:42:44] you don't think he's coming back

[00:42:46] oh I don't think how do you gotta come back from that

[00:42:48] oh they can make it talking

[00:42:50] I mean one thing

[00:42:52] one sort of I guess criticism I have

[00:42:54] of the show even though

[00:42:56] it is sort of a I think

[00:42:58] can't be at least sort of

[00:43:00] heightened tone that

[00:43:02] when people got injured they barely

[00:43:04] seem to register it like he gets his foot

[00:43:06] blown off and he's like oh man

[00:43:08] you know she gets her finger

[00:43:10] cut off and they just sew it back on

[00:43:12] and she's fine it kind of lowered the stakes

[00:43:14] in my yeah okay

[00:43:16] just chalk it up to nuclear fallout

[00:43:18] I mean

[00:43:20] thank you

[00:43:22] I

[00:43:24] mean it would be

[00:43:26] pretty well

[00:43:28] it would be interesting if a way they could bring

[00:43:30] Michael Emerson if they could bring Will's egg back

[00:43:32] is

[00:43:34] if you find out that he was actually in vault

[00:43:36] 31 2 but made it to the surface

[00:43:38] and blend it in with people

[00:43:40] outside because then you

[00:43:42] could get him back in flashbacks

[00:43:44] yeah they also got the robo brains

[00:43:46] they brought that in

[00:43:48] so they can always make a

[00:43:50] yeah

[00:43:52] yeah

[00:43:54] yeah that was the guy bud

[00:44:00] yeah

[00:44:02] but in the past

[00:44:04] he was kind of the

[00:44:06] salesmany guy I'll tell you that was

[00:44:08] actually you know I was following along

[00:44:10] with the story pretty well going through everything

[00:44:12] and you know not to say I was

[00:44:14] you know

[00:44:16] willfully trying to predict things as

[00:44:18] they happen I was just going along for the ride

[00:44:20] and everything and

[00:44:22] you know nothing was really coming as a big

[00:44:24] surprise the moment though that I was

[00:44:26] kind of like oh that's

[00:44:28] cool was the fact when it

[00:44:30] finally clicked that

[00:44:32] Cooper's biggest fans name was

[00:44:34] Hank

[00:44:36] and her and Lucy's

[00:44:38] father's name was Henry

[00:44:40] and when it finally clicked I like

[00:44:42] oh Hank is short

[00:44:44] for Henry Hank is a nickname for Henry

[00:44:46] and it clicked before

[00:44:48] I finally saw that he was actually

[00:44:50] from back in the 1950s

[00:44:52] that was the aha moment

[00:44:54] for me watch it Michelle

[00:44:56] yeah

[00:44:58] and also the fact that the

[00:45:00] caretaker who took over

[00:45:02] after

[00:45:04] Henry was kidnapped after

[00:45:06] Henry was taken away

[00:45:08] Peggy was her name

[00:45:10] or Patty

[00:45:12] I shouldn't know I have it like

[00:45:14] the overseer yeah not

[00:45:16] Betty

[00:45:18] but yeah played by

[00:45:20] Leslie who's great

[00:45:22] yeah creepily played

[00:45:24] by but Betty

[00:45:26] was

[00:45:28] the secretary at Vault Tech

[00:45:30] that introduced Cooper

[00:45:32] and Hank

[00:45:34] yeah and so like that was one of

[00:45:36] the mysteries why did

[00:45:38] why did people

[00:45:40] from Vault 31 keep getting

[00:45:42] transferred over and why do they always

[00:45:44] end up being elected leaders

[00:45:46] and then you find out that

[00:45:48] they were cryogenically frozen

[00:45:50] executives of Vault Tech who

[00:45:52] would be taken out every once in a while to keep

[00:45:54] keep things going right

[00:45:56] that's what I got well not

[00:45:58] just the executives because as I mentioned

[00:46:00] Betty was a secretary

[00:46:02] okay so I mean employees

[00:46:04] Vault Tech yeah yeah if you

[00:46:06] worked for Vault Tech you got a place

[00:46:08] and they were management that was why

[00:46:10] he was saying management is key

[00:46:12] did you guys watch the shorts

[00:46:14] no I didn't

[00:46:16] even know there were shorts

[00:46:18] yeah which is bizarre because

[00:46:20] they did make shorts but you have to

[00:46:22] really scroll down on that Amazon Prime

[00:46:24] page pass the music

[00:46:26] everything oh now there's some shorts

[00:46:28] so they actually use the same visual

[00:46:30] style and animation style as the

[00:46:32] the game right like you know

[00:46:34] if you play Fallout 4 and you're about the special movies

[00:46:36] they're

[00:46:38] it's the same ones right but they're all

[00:46:40] Vault Tech management

[00:46:42] videos oh nice

[00:46:44] videos right and it's with

[00:46:46] bud

[00:46:48] little bud yeah

[00:46:50] he's the brain guy he's in the brain

[00:46:52] yeah he does them all

[00:46:54] that's kind of fun I'm gonna have to go back

[00:46:56] and look for them yeah they're pretty fun

[00:46:58] they're good I mean they're only a few minutes

[00:47:00] and again they use the same visual

[00:47:02] style animation style as the

[00:47:04] Fallout 4 games for those

[00:47:06] again so they're humorous you know

[00:47:08] little little ones cool yeah

[00:47:10] so can I ask some questions

[00:47:12] and see if I missed

[00:47:14] something or if you guys don't know the

[00:47:16] answer either yeah sure

[00:47:18] an okay time for that

[00:47:20] so finish round is this

[00:47:22] going to take us in the game talk or is this

[00:47:24] just the the history of the world

[00:47:26] I'll skip the game

[00:47:28] one so how did

[00:47:30] Moldaver survive

[00:47:32] 200 years

[00:47:34] I think that's still a mystery that has

[00:47:36] yet to be unraveled I think that's

[00:47:38] going to be a bigger

[00:47:40] play into season 2

[00:47:42] okay but we've already seen

[00:47:44] that they can cryogenically freeze people yes

[00:47:46] yes so it probably

[00:47:48] has so if we don't

[00:47:50] know it's like you can always fall back on that one

[00:47:52] because if you're gonna be a

[00:47:54] ghoul you have you would become

[00:47:56] deformed right

[00:47:58] yeah so again they really

[00:48:00] I don't recall them really talking about ghouls

[00:48:02] all that much although you know

[00:48:04] that might be a game thing to talk about

[00:48:06] they brought him out of the grave and they had

[00:48:08] that drip in him so there's some drugs

[00:48:10] involved with this but oh yeah I mean

[00:48:12] what I got from the ghoul just from watching

[00:48:14] the show is that

[00:48:16] you drink this serum that this

[00:48:18] snake oil salesman gave to the other

[00:48:20] squire and that

[00:48:22] that's one way at least to turn you into a ghoul

[00:48:24] and once you're a ghoul it seems like you got it

[00:48:26] pretty good because you're now

[00:48:28] immortal and

[00:48:30] invulnerable but

[00:48:32] and you don't have to worry about radiation or anything

[00:48:34] but you need to keep taking

[00:48:36] this other drug or else you'll turn

[00:48:38] feral basically into a zombie

[00:48:40] and that's basically it like you

[00:48:42] your lifespan is extended you're not immortal

[00:48:44] like you can still die you can still be

[00:48:46] I mean killed yeah

[00:48:48] you can still be killed it's over on

[00:48:50] kind of like a zombie

[00:48:52] you know the headshot you know takes him out

[00:48:54] because we saw the ghoul take

[00:48:56] multiple shots to the body in that

[00:48:58] gunfight

[00:49:00] but I mean basically what happens

[00:49:02] in a ghoul is that you become

[00:49:04] your

[00:49:06] your body doesn't rot it just becomes

[00:49:08] radiated and

[00:49:10] your lifespan

[00:49:12] is extended and

[00:49:14] it's hit or miss when you become a ghoul

[00:49:16] that you can keep

[00:49:18] your mental capacity but for the most part

[00:49:20] most of them kind of lose it and become

[00:49:22] feral and what I don't know

[00:49:24] and maybe we shouldn't answer it

[00:49:26] if it's in the games but not in the show is

[00:49:28] why what why

[00:49:30] why did what is the serum

[00:49:32] why did this happen

[00:49:34] so they don't really

[00:49:36] for my cough in the games I'm not going to give anything away here is that they don't

[00:49:38] really cover that all that much but it's

[00:49:40] it was supposed to be that they're irradiated

[00:49:42] and mutated and that

[00:49:44] but it seemed like there was a catalyst

[00:49:46] here that sear or whatever

[00:49:48] the guy yeah so again I don't

[00:49:50] yeah so they came

[00:49:52] up with for the show but again

[00:49:54] you're supposed to be getting or

[00:49:56] it was supposed to be an all tech

[00:49:58] experiment by some crea scientists that

[00:50:00] create a radiation resistant

[00:50:02] human right because

[00:50:04] it's a ghoul when

[00:50:06] this guy bud was talking

[00:50:08] about and eating a lot of

[00:50:10] time I wondered if that his ideas had

[00:50:12] something to do with the creations of the ghouls

[00:50:14] but then there was the cryogenics so

[00:50:16] I don't know but back to

[00:50:18] Moldaver there I think I did

[00:50:20] miss this but she died

[00:50:22] right she died in the end and

[00:50:24] I didn't

[00:50:26] understand how I need to go back and watch

[00:50:28] she was shot in the gunfight

[00:50:30] in the attack from the brotherhood

[00:50:32] of the steel okay yeah

[00:50:34] abdomen

[00:50:36] it was a knife or it was

[00:50:38] you know she got shot but

[00:50:40] yeah she got she got hurt

[00:50:42] in that gun so she's not a ghoul then because

[00:50:44] she didn't kill the ghoul

[00:50:46] so yeah she's not a ghoul

[00:50:48] so since vault tech

[00:50:50] and Moldaver were at

[00:50:52] odds before the bombs went off

[00:50:54] because they took all her cold fusion

[00:50:56] companies and wouldn't let her continue on

[00:50:58] with her developments

[00:51:00] how come Hank

[00:51:02] didn't know her when she

[00:51:04] first came in from vault 32

[00:51:06] did he see her

[00:51:08] well so

[00:51:10] it's kind of

[00:51:12] they're lying they don't exactly

[00:51:14] address it but my

[00:51:16] my take on this

[00:51:18] is Hank knows her

[00:51:20] because of his wife

[00:51:22] Rose

[00:51:24] I think Rose when she

[00:51:26] goes to the surface

[00:51:28] because there's that new town that's built

[00:51:30] and then they decide to bomb it again

[00:51:32] shady sands shady sands

[00:51:34] rose goes to shady sands

[00:51:36] because remember Lucy has that memory

[00:51:38] of going to shady sands with

[00:51:40] her mother with rose

[00:51:42] I think Rose and Moldaver

[00:51:44] were in a relationship

[00:51:46] I think there was a romantic

[00:51:48] relationship between the two of them so why

[00:51:50] why she kept to her live as a ghoul

[00:51:52] yeah that's why she was still alive

[00:51:54] as a ghoul but why

[00:51:56] but my question is what when because

[00:51:58] you know she posed as an

[00:52:00] inhabitant of vault 32 but actually

[00:52:02] was an interloper

[00:52:04] and when

[00:52:06] they came in she was said I'm the

[00:52:08] the father daughter

[00:52:10] and she was

[00:52:12] the overseer

[00:52:14] yeah

[00:52:16] yeah so

[00:52:18] that's a good

[00:52:20] point

[00:52:22] maybe

[00:52:24] it was

[00:52:26] the

[00:52:28] the

[00:52:30] the

[00:52:32] the

[00:52:34] the

[00:52:36] vault dwellers too so

[00:52:38] absolutely

[00:52:40] here's another question

[00:52:42] I am not totally clear

[00:52:44] on what exactly happened to the original

[00:52:46] inhabitants of vault 32

[00:52:48] I feel like they there was

[00:52:50] they tried to kill themselves

[00:52:52] and or they did kill themselves

[00:52:54] and there was a thing on the wall that said

[00:52:56] we know the truth and also I think

[00:52:58] there was a record of

[00:53:00] Lucy's mother Henry's wife

[00:53:02] using her pit boy thing

[00:53:04] to get in there so I think she got in and told them

[00:53:06] what was going on

[00:53:08] but I still don't know if that explains

[00:53:10] why they are all dead

[00:53:12] so they like they look totally

[00:53:14] like crazy right one of them

[00:53:16] killed themselves like putting a fork in the toaster

[00:53:18] and they were strangling each other

[00:53:20] and all this stuff so you

[00:53:22] they've all I could think was they were just

[00:53:24] doing more of those vault tech experiments

[00:53:26] on the vault dwellers and it went

[00:53:28] awry and

[00:53:30] they all ended up going crazy and killing each

[00:53:32] but these are supposed to be the vaults for the

[00:53:34] managers not the experiment vaults

[00:53:38] the good ones you know as

[00:53:40] Barb says there are still a lot of people

[00:53:42] in those tubes in vault 31

[00:53:44] yeah and they should be experimenting on them too

[00:53:46] there's still a lot of management

[00:53:48] that have yet to be followed

[00:53:50] I'm just I don't understand how

[00:53:52] the people in 32 die and then there was

[00:53:54] also something about maybe they just ran out

[00:53:56] of resources and there there was too

[00:53:58] overpopulation and I don't know

[00:54:00] could be more

[00:54:02] bad for season 2

[00:54:04] I didn't the best I could

[00:54:06] like again it seemed like they kept that as a mystery

[00:54:08] but I just thought it was

[00:54:10] there were some weird experiment

[00:54:12] but

[00:54:14] so I don't know so one of the yeah go ahead

[00:54:16] yeah so I don't know that's all I had

[00:54:18] okay

[00:54:20] so here's what I'm gonna here's what kind

[00:54:22] of sort of story wise

[00:54:24] I had a couple of questions about

[00:54:26] so

[00:54:28] when

[00:54:30] the

[00:54:32] the raiders in the first episode they come in

[00:54:34] the kill everyone dad leaves

[00:54:36] Lucy's gonna

[00:54:38] leave to go mind him

[00:54:40] so she goes to the armory and pulls out

[00:54:42] a weapon weapons she

[00:54:44] pull out

[00:54:46] the dart gun

[00:54:48] the tranquilizer gun yeah yeah

[00:54:50] so why would she

[00:54:52] take a tranquilizer gun

[00:54:54] to protect herself to go

[00:54:56] to the surface when we know

[00:54:58] she's already aware of raiders because

[00:55:00] they went and killed the bunch

[00:55:02] that's I can easily answer this

[00:55:04] because she's nice

[00:55:06] yeah it's the negativity of

[00:55:08] her character

[00:55:10] she thinks she can save them

[00:55:12] not smart but it's nice it's the least

[00:55:14] aggressive

[00:55:16] for way to

[00:55:18] she thinks handle the problem

[00:55:20] of somebody harassing you

[00:55:22] yeah but I mean

[00:55:24] they just sleep without actually hurting them

[00:55:26] yeah but again they

[00:55:28] just had those raiders that killed all their

[00:55:30] fellow you might not like the answer but

[00:55:32] that's it

[00:55:34] it's not like they're you know they made

[00:55:36] them sound like these totally naive almost

[00:55:38] childlike innocent absolutely

[00:55:40] they also I think we're strong enough

[00:55:42] and have enough guns to fight off a bunch

[00:55:44] of raiders I mean that was her the

[00:55:46] whole series Doug she

[00:55:48] she didn't want to hurt it but she kept saying

[00:55:50] the golden rule three people the way you want

[00:55:52] treated she gave

[00:55:54] Cooper you know the ghoul

[00:55:56] his

[00:55:58] even after he wouldn't give her water

[00:56:00] and she was just

[00:56:02] a nice person and trying to

[00:56:04] be kind to people as much

[00:56:06] as she possibly could get away with

[00:56:08] and it's not smart but

[00:56:10] I know you're right like the raiders

[00:56:12] came down and killed people

[00:56:14] but then even they were arguing what to do

[00:56:16] with the leftover raiders that were

[00:56:18] prisoners we should teach them philosophy

[00:56:20] you know there was only one guy that's saying we should take care of them

[00:56:22] yeah yeah

[00:56:24] it's easier to do that when they're locked up

[00:56:26] right like they had no problem

[00:56:28] of fighting them off

[00:56:30] and defending them

[00:56:32] when Lucy went to the surface world

[00:56:34] she was

[00:56:36] to over trusting at first

[00:56:38] well I think there are

[00:56:40] hints too because if you

[00:56:42] remember a particular conversation

[00:56:44] between

[00:56:46] what is her brother's

[00:56:48] name

[00:56:50] Chet's is it

[00:56:52] I think no Chet's the cousin

[00:56:54] oh that's right

[00:56:56] Norm was her younger brother

[00:56:58] after Lucy

[00:57:00] after Lucy is already out on the surface

[00:57:02] there's a conversation where they're discussing

[00:57:04] what to do with these raiders

[00:57:06] and Stephanie comes up to Norm

[00:57:08] and says they killed my husband

[00:57:10] Henry would have done what's right

[00:57:12] and then you went

[00:57:14] it's not you don't know it at that time

[00:57:16] but you realize later that Stephanie came from

[00:57:18] Vault 31 she is

[00:57:20] management of Vault Tech

[00:57:22] this was her planting an

[00:57:24] impulse in Norm's head

[00:57:26] of what to do

[00:57:28] with these raiders

[00:57:30] which I kind of didn't grow up in this idealized

[00:57:32] naive world

[00:57:34] she came from the real world

[00:57:36] you know so

[00:57:38] she has these violent tendencies

[00:57:40] or these kind of you know

[00:57:42] animalistic tendencies that

[00:57:44] they pragmatic some people may

[00:57:46] it's debatable right

[00:57:48] you know but that

[00:57:50] could have also been a hint as to what happened

[00:57:52] in Vault 32

[00:57:54] is

[00:57:56] because that's just the way

[00:57:58] they decided to resolve things

[00:58:00] so but again when you go back

[00:58:02] and you rethink when you think

[00:58:04] of that scene with Stephanie and Norm

[00:58:06] because at the time you don't realize

[00:58:08] who she is and then

[00:58:10] once you realize it you go back and you look at

[00:58:12] that scene it's like oh yeah

[00:58:14] she's kind of like

[00:58:16] she's influencing him big time

[00:58:18] there's a lot of stuff when you if you go back

[00:58:20] and watch I think I haven't yet but

[00:58:22] I haven't either but I plan to

[00:58:24] just I was reading some of the summaries

[00:58:26] in the wiki and how Cooper would

[00:58:28] or as the ghoul would like shoot

[00:58:30] the Vault Tech

[00:58:32] Vault boy icon

[00:58:34] you know like he's angry at

[00:58:36] it but you find out he's the inspiration

[00:58:38] for that whole thumbs up thing

[00:58:40] and then you go back and you know

[00:58:42] you're like oh yeah I'm

[00:58:44] going to get the commercial so it takes on

[00:58:46] a new significance things like that

[00:58:48] yeah

[00:58:50] yeah I mean I think

[00:58:52] the sort of I just thought that thing

[00:58:54] was Stephanie is that she just wanted to

[00:58:56] get revenge for you know

[00:58:58] her family getting killed

[00:59:00] you know like she just

[00:59:02] that was just like oh like

[00:59:04] there was the competing

[00:59:06] impulses of whether to treat them

[00:59:08] like that seed but it seems like more out of it just a revenge

[00:59:10] thing like uh

[00:59:12] I don't see it that way I mean because

[00:59:14] she married somebody from

[00:59:16] Vault 33 who she had no

[00:59:18] she did it for the sake of the experiment

[00:59:20] I mean look

[00:59:22] at what happens after her husband is dead

[00:59:24] within days she's sleeping with chat

[00:59:26] you know I don't think her

[00:59:28] husband meant anything to her he was just

[00:59:30] part of the experiment well only when he

[00:59:32] puts the shirt on and she calls him Burt

[00:59:34] though so

[00:59:36] yeah so again

[00:59:38] but still

[00:59:40] and they think like

[00:59:42] I think what you're saying though is pretty valid

[00:59:44] is that everything takes on

[00:59:46] a new tinge right once

[00:59:48] you understand that they've their

[00:59:50] characters who they are yeah yeah

[00:59:52] yeah but again yeah I don't know

[00:59:54] so more those

[00:59:56] mysteries the biggest mystery to me

[00:59:58] you know when I look back at

[01:00:00] everything and maybe if I go back and I rewatch

[01:00:02] which I will I'll see clues to it is

[01:00:04] I want to know more about Cooper

[01:00:06] I want to know more about the ghoul because

[01:00:08] you know we see

[01:00:10] obviously we see things leading up

[01:00:12] to it but the very first thing we see

[01:00:14] with Cooper is

[01:00:16] aptly named the name of the episode is called

[01:00:18] the end which is when the bombs drop

[01:00:20] and then the finale is called the beginning

[01:00:22] uh

[01:00:24] you know we see

[01:00:26] that you know Cooper is with his daughter

[01:00:28] the bombs go off and he's riding

[01:00:30] off you know with his daughter

[01:00:32] but then when we see him at the end of the series

[01:00:34] he says where's my family

[01:00:36] so what happened between the

[01:00:38] times the bomb went off to

[01:00:40] people were locked in the vault

[01:00:42] like how did if his daughter is still alive

[01:00:44] or cryogenically frozen

[01:00:46] how did she get in there what

[01:00:48] happened in that time that

[01:00:50] she got in there and Cooper didn't

[01:00:52] yeah so there was that scene with the

[01:00:54] birthday party where the bombs go

[01:00:56] off and then the owner

[01:00:58] you know the host has his own bomb

[01:01:00] shelter and he actually punches somebody out

[01:01:02] who tries to get in

[01:01:04] and does he know

[01:01:06] because it's 219

[01:01:08] years later but he's saying where

[01:01:10] are they so

[01:01:12] that would suggest he seems to have at least

[01:01:14] some reason to think they're still alive

[01:01:16] well she's management

[01:01:18] yeah so

[01:01:20] you know if the wife

[01:01:22] yeah with his wife his wife is

[01:01:24] managing the daughter is just a little girl so I guess

[01:01:26] they would it would be your loved ones too huh

[01:01:28] now here's it

[01:01:30] here's a question

[01:01:32] I'm gonna pose to you guys and this is more

[01:01:34] hypothetical

[01:01:36] has Cooper been

[01:01:38] on the outside world

[01:01:40] all this time

[01:01:42] or did he make it to the vault

[01:01:44] and spend time in the vault first only to be

[01:01:46] released and become a ghoul

[01:01:48] and that's how

[01:01:50] he knows his wife and his daughter

[01:01:52] still alive yeah I wouldn't

[01:01:54] be surprised

[01:01:56] I don't know

[01:01:58] they didn't really go into that and then it wasn't clear

[01:02:00] like when he's resurrected from the grave

[01:02:02] with that weird

[01:02:04] bag how long you'd been down there

[01:02:06] yeah

[01:02:08] did they bring it back to life for the first time

[01:02:10] because they also said that he had this

[01:02:12] long career as a

[01:02:14] cold-blooded bounty hunter

[01:02:16] right like

[01:02:18] he was had a reputation for that so it seemed

[01:02:20] like he had been around for a long time but

[01:02:22] but a long career in that world

[01:02:24] you know everybody else is only living

[01:02:26] you know 30 to

[01:02:28] maybe 40 to 50 years in that world

[01:02:30] so a long career to them could be 20 years

[01:02:32] as opposed to

[01:02:34] 219

[01:02:36] you know the only thing

[01:02:38] is that he has some ghoul that he would be living longer

[01:02:40] but his lifespan is longer yeah

[01:02:42] but they left a lot

[01:02:44] of story to be told

[01:02:46] and we didn't mention it

[01:02:48] yet but I think it was just yesterday they announced

[01:02:50] that there's a season two season two

[01:02:52] has been green lit and it is coming yeah

[01:02:54] that was a no-brainer

[01:02:56] yeah

[01:02:58] season two

[01:03:00] yeah anything no no they haven't started

[01:03:02] any production we know there are going to be

[01:03:04] some episodes and then did they say

[01:03:06] when they anticipate those

[01:03:08] my guess would next week

[01:03:10] probably about three months

[01:03:12] yeah

[01:03:14] at least a year probably more likely to

[01:03:16] right I think probably 2026

[01:03:18] is probably when we're gonna get it yeah

[01:03:20] but I mean like

[01:03:22] you know I want to talk a little bit about

[01:03:24] the actors that are portraying these guys

[01:03:26] because I mean

[01:03:28] this show had me sold

[01:03:30] on Walton Goggins

[01:03:32] that was the only name I needed to hear

[01:03:34] to get me to watch this show

[01:03:36] and he didn't disappoint not at all

[01:03:38] this is my favorite thing I've seen him in honestly

[01:03:40] I

[01:03:42] I'm not going to be your favorite

[01:03:44] roles that he's done

[01:03:46] I'm still partial to Boyd

[01:03:48] Crowder from Justified

[01:03:50] yeah

[01:03:52] but you know

[01:03:54] he's in an episode of Community that he's

[01:03:56] great in I know he's in Righteous

[01:03:58] Gemstones right now as I'm not watching

[01:04:00] like he is an amazing character

[01:04:02] actor and what I really

[01:04:04] loved is that there are actually

[01:04:06] two justified

[01:04:08] reunions in this show

[01:04:10] okay well there's one direct

[01:04:12] reunion but one of them is indirect so

[01:04:14] the

[01:04:16] the actor that plays

[01:04:18] the knight that Maximus takes

[01:04:20] the armor from

[01:04:22] that is

[01:04:24] oh god and now his name completely

[01:04:26] blinded from my hands Michael Rappaport

[01:04:28] yeah

[01:04:30] Michael Rappaport was in Justified

[01:04:32] but the

[01:04:34] person the man that wakes the

[01:04:36] ghoul is

[01:04:38] Mikoletti Williamson who was also

[01:04:40] in Justified

[01:04:42] and his character and

[01:04:44] Walton Goggins character interacted quite

[01:04:46] a bit in Justified so that was

[01:04:48] a cool little reunion seeing the two of them

[01:04:50] together even though he kills him

[01:04:52] but you know

[01:04:54] he was still there

[01:04:56] he's going to be in season 3 of the White Lotus

[01:04:58] too so that'll be good oh

[01:05:00] Walton Goggins yeah

[01:05:02] okay yeah but

[01:05:04] that was I was sold on this show

[01:05:06] from Walton Goggins that was the only name

[01:05:08] I needed to hear to get me to watch a show

[01:05:10] and for me I mean I saw

[01:05:12] the trailer and

[01:05:14] I was

[01:05:16] pretty excited to see

[01:05:18] that Ella Pernell

[01:05:20] had such a big part in it

[01:05:22] because I've been podcasting

[01:05:24] on Yellow Jackets and it's one of my favorite

[01:05:26] shows in the last few years and

[01:05:28] she had a pretty big role in that so

[01:05:30] and I thought she was good

[01:05:32] which one again

[01:05:34] she's Lucy Lucy the main

[01:05:36] so

[01:05:38] through me at first I was able to get past

[01:05:40] it very quickly but her name

[01:05:42] Lucy McLean

[01:05:44] is also

[01:05:46] John McLean's daughter's name

[01:05:48] in the diehard franchise

[01:05:50] we're gonna film on purpose

[01:05:52] it's spelled McLean

[01:05:54] is spelled differently but

[01:05:56] yeah I don't know

[01:05:58] and then the other

[01:06:00] when I when I saw

[01:06:02] again Walton Goggins sold me on the show before

[01:06:04] I even saw it and I was a fan of

[01:06:06] the franchise so I was already in before I saw

[01:06:08] trailers but then once the trailer

[01:06:10] released and I saw

[01:06:12] Michael Emerson had a

[01:06:14] role okay now

[01:06:16] I'm now I'm really in right

[01:06:18] even though it was very short lived

[01:06:20] and I

[01:06:22] I had thought I think up until

[01:06:24] today that Lisa Joy and Jonathan Nolan

[01:06:26] were the show runners and they're the two

[01:06:28] that ran Westworld but

[01:06:30] they're not there they're I think

[01:06:32] they're pretty heavily involved like I said

[01:06:34] Jonathan Nolan directed the first three episodes and

[01:06:36] their executive producers but there's two different

[01:06:38] people that are the show runners but it still

[01:06:40] does feel very

[01:06:42] Westworld into me

[01:06:44] like I don't want to give away

[01:06:46] Westworld but it's got these

[01:06:48] sort of

[01:06:50] twists and

[01:06:52] evil corporations and

[01:06:54] plans for what's

[01:06:56] going to happen after the end of

[01:06:58] society and

[01:07:00] similar themes for sure

[01:07:02] hmm

[01:07:04] mm-hmm okay

[01:07:06] yeah so yeah so you think they did a pretty good

[01:07:08] job of the casting overall

[01:07:10] yeah I mean there's a couple people like

[01:07:12] Aaron Moten who plays Maximus I'm not

[01:07:14] too familiar with

[01:07:16] yeah and his character is really

[01:07:18] interesting because

[01:07:20] he doesn't emote much

[01:07:22] and he seems just

[01:07:24] kind of like some dude

[01:07:26] but that actually you know what I mean

[01:07:28] like just some guy

[01:07:30] the way he

[01:07:32] acted so that actually

[01:07:34] made it kind of interesting for me the way

[01:07:36] his story evolved

[01:07:38] I liked him more and more as

[01:07:40] as it went on until the end I was

[01:07:42] really happy he played the role because it was something different than you might expect

[01:07:46] just in the way like

[01:07:48] he just seems sort of

[01:07:50] I don't know kind of petty

[01:07:52] a lot of the time but

[01:07:54] also

[01:07:56] likable for sure you rooted

[01:07:58] for him but

[01:08:00] he didn't seem all that

[01:08:02] exceptional

[01:08:04] to me

[01:08:06] so let me ask

[01:08:08] this is a question I have what's his motivation

[01:08:12] right like you're saying like his overall

[01:08:14] sort of personality

[01:08:16] is just kind of buying this

[01:08:18] everyday kind of do kind of dope

[01:08:20] yeah and the bit of dope that's a good word

[01:08:22] doesn't really know what he's doing

[01:08:24] it just sort of falls into stuff

[01:08:26] I don't quite know what his motivation is

[01:08:28] like why he's doing all this stuff

[01:08:30] I mean he got his world rocked

[01:08:32] when his city was destroyed

[01:08:34] we learn later by Henry

[01:08:36] McLean and

[01:08:38] he ended up with this brotherhood of steel

[01:08:40] so he just sort of fell into their

[01:08:42] world of well

[01:08:44] when you're in the brotherhood of steel you aspire to be a knight

[01:08:46] and so

[01:08:48] but he got treated like shit

[01:08:50] so that I think his story was a lot

[01:08:52] about status and power

[01:08:54] that when he got the chance to get some

[01:08:56] power which was a great scene when he put that suit

[01:08:58] on and through that was a rock or something

[01:09:00] super far away that was a good moment

[01:09:02] but um and then just got to treat

[01:09:04] other people like shit kind of the way he had

[01:09:06] been and so I think

[01:09:08] with him it was about okay now that he

[01:09:10] has this

[01:09:12] ability to

[01:09:15] treat people however he wants

[01:09:17] what will emerge from his character

[01:09:19] and what emerged is that

[01:09:21] he's actually a good person

[01:09:23] and a caring person so I

[01:09:25] thought that was a good story

[01:09:27] other than trying to kill that squire

[01:09:29] who was going to rat him out

[01:09:31] yeah I mean it seemed

[01:09:33] to me like once he got the power

[01:09:35] where he sort of acted like the jerk

[01:09:37] knight status before

[01:09:39] for a while or trip

[01:09:41] and it was just like yeah I can do all this crazy

[01:09:43] all this stuff that I could do before

[01:09:45] you know go you know

[01:09:47] just sort of get back at people for

[01:09:49] you know him being powerless

[01:09:51] and so I'm still trying to figure out what

[01:09:53] it is again what is his motivation

[01:09:55] what he's even doing

[01:09:57] but it's sort of like they made it sound

[01:09:59] like he was like this

[01:10:01] down and dirty character

[01:10:03] willing to stab people in the back to get his way

[01:10:05] you know get whatever he wants

[01:10:07] they had him on that pseudo trial

[01:10:09] and everything but again I don't

[01:10:11] it's not clear if he had any ambition

[01:10:13] or if again he just sort of fell into this

[01:10:15] and he's just like oh I got this armor

[01:10:17] and I got that knight die which is pretty cruel

[01:10:19] but then that was the point

[01:10:21] yeah he was a dictum

[01:10:23] but later on

[01:10:25] when he confessed to Lucy

[01:10:27] that he did that

[01:10:29] because she had asked him to come

[01:10:31] and live in her vault basically marry her

[01:10:33] right and he

[01:10:35] I thought it showed a lot in his character

[01:10:37] that he confessed to that

[01:10:39] first he didn't want to mislead her

[01:10:41] misrepresent himself and then she accepted

[01:10:43] him anyway and I feel like

[01:10:45] that really made

[01:10:47] a relationship that I thought I'm not sure

[01:10:49] I believe this more like oh this is so touching

[01:10:51] like she's really bringing out

[01:10:53] she's bringing out the best in him

[01:10:55] she's the kind of woman that makes him want to be

[01:10:57] a better man I feel like his corny that sound

[01:10:59] and I think his character doesn't

[01:11:01] really have a lot of motivation

[01:11:03] I think it's more a blind fanaticism

[01:11:05] because remember he didn't have much opportunity

[01:11:07] the brotherhood of steel found

[01:11:09] him when he was what five or six years old

[01:11:11] growing out of refrigerator

[01:11:13] and they took him in they're the ones

[01:11:15] that gave him a home gave him food so his

[01:11:17] his motivation

[01:11:19] is not instilled in him by himself

[01:11:21] it's instilled in him by the brotherhood of steel

[01:11:23] he's

[01:11:25] living his life

[01:11:27] by what they instill in him

[01:11:29] what you do when you're a kid

[01:11:31] in the brotherhood of steel is you try to become a knight

[01:11:33] yeah

[01:11:35] because he has the highest status and the most power

[01:11:37] but that's probably because that's what they

[01:11:39] put in that's what they make him believe

[01:11:41] yeah sure like all of us

[01:11:43] that's what we all do

[01:11:45] you deal with what you're

[01:11:47] you're in by right you know

[01:11:49] I mean like he basically

[01:11:51] literally lets his fellow knight die

[01:11:53] and goes on his word power trip

[01:11:55] and steals the power armor

[01:11:57] and goes off and does his own thing

[01:11:59] and again he didn't follow

[01:12:01] that

[01:12:03] instilled values very much

[01:12:05] yeah he took a shortcut

[01:12:07] it didn't take much for him to totally turn on

[01:12:09] well and even at the end

[01:12:11] when you know

[01:12:13] Moldaver is killed

[01:12:15] he's taking credit for something that he didn't do

[01:12:17] you know it just kind of

[01:12:19] happened if something that happened by happenstance

[01:12:21] yeah and somebody walked in

[01:12:23] and believes that he did it

[01:12:25] and he's kind of not fighting

[01:12:27] them on

[01:12:29] that felt so real

[01:12:31] world to me that probably

[01:12:33] at least 60%

[01:12:35] of people would do

[01:12:37] I don't know maybe I'm wrong

[01:12:39] it felt believable that someone would do that

[01:12:41] I do think we do see some elements of

[01:12:43] good in him though throughout even before

[01:12:45] he meets even before he meets Lucy

[01:12:47] I mean you talk about the squire

[01:12:49] that's assigned to him Thaddeus

[01:12:51] which is one of the kids that

[01:12:53] one of the guys that was beating on him

[01:12:55] before he went off with

[01:12:57] with Titus

[01:12:59] and you know he's kind of

[01:13:01] taking a route with Thaddeus

[01:13:03] that Titus didn't do

[01:13:05] with him he tried striking up a conversation

[01:13:07] with Titus and Titus was a dick

[01:13:09] and kind of made him wash his

[01:13:11] his hobbies

[01:13:13] the perfect actor for that too

[01:13:15] Michael Rappaport

[01:13:17] he plays such a great dick

[01:13:19] he's so good at that

[01:13:21] you know and he kind of

[01:13:23] does do that to Thaddeus

[01:13:25] at first

[01:13:27] because that's how Titus treated him

[01:13:29] so he's kind of naturally assuming

[01:13:31] that's how knights treat their squires

[01:13:33] and he does kind of loosen up

[01:13:35] and he's laughing and he's having

[01:13:37] admitting who he was which was a bad idea

[01:13:39] yeah of course it was

[01:13:41] right after he branded him which is hilarious

[01:13:47] actually I kind of thought the squire

[01:13:49] stole those scenes of it

[01:13:51] well Johnny Pemberton

[01:13:53] is a great actor I know him from Superstore

[01:13:55] because he's done a number of episodes

[01:13:57] in Superstore

[01:13:59] but yeah like and the scene where outside

[01:14:01] the radio tower

[01:14:03] with friend Armistin when he

[01:14:05] sets off one of the traps and the arrow goes through his neck

[01:14:07] and he's why am I not dead

[01:14:09] and you know that ice he's

[01:14:11] it felt like yeah like

[01:14:13] money python or something

[01:14:15] but like the different stories

[01:14:17] you know when they were separate Lucy

[01:14:19] and Michael Emerson's character

[01:14:21] Whizzy or whatever what's his name

[01:14:23] Wilsig

[01:14:25] and Cooper

[01:14:27] and in the past and in the present

[01:14:29] and then you got Maximus

[01:14:31] a lot of times with shows

[01:14:33] like this when you switch to

[01:14:35] there's like at least one story where like

[01:14:37] I don't really care about this one

[01:14:39] as much but for me

[01:14:41] I liked them all pretty much the same

[01:14:43] I was interested in

[01:14:45] Maximus' story because of that

[01:14:47] anytime you're playing with status

[01:14:49] like that this guy who's been kicked

[01:14:51] around suddenly has this big thing of armor

[01:14:53] and what's he gonna do with it that's

[01:14:55] really fun to explore in my opinion

[01:14:57] yeah I was

[01:14:59] more drawn obviously to the ghoul

[01:15:01] just because of my fandom of Walton Goggins

[01:15:03] but there is one scene

[01:15:05] with him that really does bug me

[01:15:07] and it's where Lucy lets him go in

[01:15:09] or when he goes into the medical center

[01:15:11] to get the drugs

[01:15:13] and he sees the big suitcase

[01:15:15] full of like

[01:15:17] which is very clearly more than

[01:15:19] 80 vials because that's the negotiating

[01:15:21] number he was gonna go with before

[01:15:23] so there's probably over

[01:15:25] 100 of these vials in there

[01:15:27] rather than close the suitcase and just take the whole thing

[01:15:29] he just takes

[01:15:31] handfuls and puts them in

[01:15:33] like just take the whole suitcase

[01:15:35] you have a container right there

[01:15:37] he's gonna wear it in his hat

[01:15:39] just close it up

[01:15:41] take the whole case nobody's fighting you on him

[01:15:43] everybody else is

[01:15:45] dead is that supposed to be

[01:15:47] just desperate and not thinking right

[01:15:49] and just I'm just gonna grab

[01:15:51] this with my hands

[01:15:53] there might have been elements of

[01:15:55] that feral nature in there that was causing

[01:15:57] him to do that because he was

[01:15:59] starting to change a little bit

[01:16:01] because he was drained from it

[01:16:03] the other there's one other cameo

[01:16:05] that is in this one and I don't

[01:16:07] know if many people noticed it but I noticed

[01:16:09] it only because this gentleman

[01:16:11] has been on this podcast before

[01:16:13] Overseer Benjamin

[01:16:15] the one-eyed overseer

[01:16:17] from Vault 4 that's Chris Parnell

[01:16:19] from Saturday Night Live

[01:16:21] Saturday Night Live

[01:16:23] okay yeah I've had Chris

[01:16:25] on this podcast before a number of years ago

[01:16:27] so it was a lot of fun seeing him

[01:16:29] pop up in there too

[01:16:31] and that whole Vault 4

[01:16:33] thing was great because we've

[01:16:35] already set up an expectation that the

[01:16:37] Vault is where the normies

[01:16:39] are so then when you go into

[01:16:41] Vault 4 they're wearing the say

[01:16:43] this is if people listening don't

[01:16:45] understand it's when

[01:16:47] Lucy and Maximus

[01:16:49] are in a I forget

[01:16:51] they're in a battle or something they end up injured

[01:16:53] but then he wakes up and they're in

[01:16:55] this other Vault and

[01:16:57] people seem like just like where she

[01:16:59] came from but then all of a sudden

[01:17:01] this guy has one eye and there's somebody with glowing

[01:17:03] eyes and then they're all like undressing

[01:17:05] and chanting somebody's got a nose on their forehead

[01:17:07] yeah yeah

[01:17:09] I like that expectations

[01:17:11] that weird sort of naked chanting

[01:17:13] is that supposed to be like they're making

[01:17:15] references to

[01:17:17] some sort of you know

[01:17:19] a cult

[01:17:21] thing or is it supposed to be like they're

[01:17:23] making some reference to like

[01:17:25] you know nudism

[01:17:27] or you like some mind control

[01:17:29] thing it wasn't clear

[01:17:31] why they were doing all that

[01:17:33] well if you think about it I mean

[01:17:35] you look at this world that we're in

[01:17:37] all these different things that we've seen the one thing we didn't see is religion

[01:17:39] that's the

[01:17:41] closest thing to it that we get in this entire

[01:17:43] show

[01:17:45] and they're worshiping Moldaver so

[01:17:47] I didn't totally get that

[01:17:49] either but from the origins

[01:17:51] of Vault 4 or that's the Vault where

[01:17:53] the scientists were doing the experiments

[01:17:55] and

[01:17:57] the experiments ended up

[01:17:59] turning on them and then I think

[01:18:01] the people who are left

[01:18:03] ended up

[01:18:05] trying to

[01:18:07] heal and treat

[01:18:09] the people who were experimented on

[01:18:11] and that's what was up on level 12

[01:18:13] that they didn't want anyone to see

[01:18:15] that's what I got out of it anyway

[01:18:17] I thought that was when they were creating the gulpers

[01:18:19] well there was a video

[01:18:21] of a woman giving birth

[01:18:23] to

[01:18:25] were those gulpers like fish

[01:18:27] the gulpers whenever she got kind of swallowed

[01:18:29] big giant monster

[01:18:31] it's the thing that swallowed the head

[01:18:33] in the swamp yeah

[01:18:35] I think it was that too yeah

[01:18:37] but that was years ago

[01:18:39] yeah so again it was kind of like

[01:18:41] a weird mad type

[01:18:43] now the inmates are running the asylum

[01:18:45] yeah

[01:18:47] that was pretty disturbing

[01:18:49] the woman giving birth to piranhas and being eaten

[01:18:51] as

[01:18:53] oh god I know

[01:18:55] they don't

[01:18:57] pull me punches on the show

[01:18:59] okay so maybe I'll bring up this

[01:19:01] it was

[01:19:03] I would put this as like hyper violent

[01:19:05] over the top

[01:19:07] and I think

[01:19:09] the references that the games are hyper violent

[01:19:11] right like a lot of that stuff

[01:19:13] just happens however

[01:19:15] the thing about the games and again I know we're talking about it

[01:19:17] but I want the reason I bring it up is because

[01:19:19] the games are so cartoonish right

[01:19:21] Fallout 3 came out for the Xbox 360

[01:19:23] you know we're talking like

[01:19:25] really old gen consoles here

[01:19:27] so none of it

[01:19:29] looks particularly realistic and it's all like very

[01:19:31] getting at just cartoonish

[01:19:33] over the top violence whereas in these shows

[01:19:35] man these people are getting

[01:19:37] decapitated and

[01:19:39] dismembered

[01:19:41] and burned alive and

[01:19:43] you know

[01:19:45] every manner of

[01:19:47] horror and

[01:19:49] brought down upon them

[01:19:51] so where's your guys' thoughts on the ultra violence?

[01:19:55] it didn't bother me

[01:19:57] you know I've seen

[01:19:59] gruesome stuff

[01:20:01] pretty much all my life so I don't really

[01:20:03] the gruesome just didn't bother me

[01:20:05] and there really wasn't a lot of cringe

[01:20:07] the only moment in the whole

[01:20:09] series that made me cringe a little bit

[01:20:11] and not for a bad reason

[01:20:13] I think it was a good cringe meaning like

[01:20:15] it was that was the purpose of the

[01:20:17] scene was when they gave

[01:20:19] Willzig his new foot

[01:20:21] and it was that grinding

[01:20:23] thing that was supposed to grind

[01:20:25] off the stump of his leg to kind of

[01:20:27] attach to his foot

[01:20:29] yeah like I would

[01:20:31] have been screaming a lot more than

[01:20:33] that I mean that goes back to

[01:20:35] what I was saying earlier

[01:20:37] even though it's more graphic

[01:20:39] than pixelated

[01:20:41] video games from the 90s

[01:20:43] it's still in

[01:20:45] tone feels cartoonish to me because

[01:20:47] people barely react you can

[01:20:49] just sew a finger on and it's not a problem

[01:20:51] a guy gets like an arrow shot through his

[01:20:53] throat and he's like why didn't I die

[01:20:55] and so it feels

[01:20:57] cartoonish to me yeah okay

[01:20:59] and I mean I

[01:21:01] still think like I had said

[01:21:03] if this had come out 20 years ago

[01:21:05] it would be the water cooler show but one

[01:21:07] thing that's changed and I think the walkie

[01:21:09] did has a lot to do with this is Gore is

[01:21:11] a lot more accepted on TV now

[01:21:13] and people keep upping the ante

[01:21:15] and we just get desensitized

[01:21:17] to it so

[01:21:19] there is a part of me that's like I really

[01:21:21] need that like people feel like they have

[01:21:23] to do that to make a good show but

[01:21:25] that's fine yeah gore

[01:21:27] and language are two

[01:21:29] things that we've kind of become desensitized

[01:21:31] to and

[01:21:33] you know the show has both but I don't think

[01:21:35] either element was over

[01:21:37] the top in this series at all

[01:21:39] but I do think if someone from

[01:21:41] say 30 years ago saw this they would

[01:21:43] just be floored by it

[01:21:45] what the fuck yeah

[01:21:47] except you'd say what the heck

[01:21:49] and they'd be like okie dokie

[01:21:51] if you say

[01:21:53] is this any more

[01:21:55] oops uh oh is this any

[01:21:57] more you know

[01:21:59] or less violent than let's say Sam

[01:22:01] peckinpaw from the late 60s early 70s

[01:22:03] even which was against

[01:22:05] stylized hyperviolence

[01:22:07] so he was known for doing these westerns

[01:22:09] where people would

[01:22:11] get shot over and over in slow motion

[01:22:13] and blood spurting everywhere

[01:22:15] I mean that it's on TV

[01:22:17] makes a difference too because I think

[01:22:19] there has been much more violence

[01:22:21] in the movies going further back then on TV

[01:22:23] well

[01:22:25] yeah ok

[01:22:27] so again I was just starting to throw it out there

[01:22:29] because that's definitely out of the living dead

[01:22:31] yeah that's definitely something that carried over

[01:22:33] from the video game

[01:22:35] was the over the top

[01:22:37] ultraviolence

[01:22:39] but again like probably just

[01:22:41] maybe I don't know if it's because I'm

[01:22:43] desensitized to it or because I expected

[01:22:45] it from this universe

[01:22:47] from this world

[01:22:49] that it just didn't bother me

[01:22:51] I was very accepted of it

[01:22:53] the tone really

[01:22:55] to influences how we

[01:22:57] receive this stuff

[01:22:59] for me it almost feels like a comedy

[01:23:01] or a dramedy at least

[01:23:03] there's a lot of

[01:23:05] comedy like when

[01:23:07] the guy at Vault 4

[01:23:09] is like you know

[01:23:11] because Lucy went up to 12 and she wasn't supposed to

[01:23:13] he comes at her with this big giant

[01:23:15] machete type

[01:23:17] thing and now we sent it to you

[01:23:19] and you do death

[01:23:21] by evacuation to the surface

[01:23:23] and then he's like sawing

[01:23:25] her restraint

[01:23:27] overseer Benjamin is doing that

[01:23:29] like he saw I got it with a machete

[01:23:31] we really need to sharpen this

[01:23:33] it's ridiculous

[01:23:37] yeah or yeah

[01:23:39] and then

[01:23:41] oh god

[01:23:43] why'd I forget his name already

[01:23:45] um

[01:23:47] overseer

[01:23:49] Maximus

[01:23:51] Maximus comes in with the power

[01:23:53] armor and just starts to toss in people

[01:23:55] oh see I thought

[01:23:57] okay they made this goofy moment

[01:23:59] but now it's gonna turn dark

[01:24:01] he's gonna come in and just shoot everybody

[01:24:03] up right and I was like

[01:24:05] really bummed about that because I don't

[01:24:07] like when there's violence that could have been

[01:24:09] avoided and it's because of a misunderstanding

[01:24:11] but he didn't

[01:24:13] he busted the place up a bit

[01:24:15] maybe you know bruised a few people

[01:24:17] but then it was fine

[01:24:19] and she said don't and they kicked him out

[01:24:21] and I was like really relieved

[01:24:23] even because even the follow-up moment

[01:24:25] where she talks him into returning the core

[01:24:27] yeah and she drops it

[01:24:29] now they drop it down there

[01:24:31] and you just hear from down there thank you

[01:24:33] thanks

[01:24:35] I mean

[01:24:37] I love that so much that she insisted

[01:24:39] because she didn't want to kill a whole community

[01:24:41] even though it would help her get back to her father

[01:24:43] but the part that didn't make sense is that

[01:24:45] they let him out with it in the first place

[01:24:49] I thought they just sort of snuck out

[01:24:51] but they were

[01:24:53] their knowledge that he stole that thing

[01:24:55] I mean he

[01:24:57] yeah I think he was in the armor

[01:24:59] were they really going to stop him

[01:25:01] I guess that's a good point

[01:25:03] you know they were just going to let him walk out

[01:25:05] with it

[01:25:07] it's a good point

[01:25:09] do you think

[01:25:11] do you think we might see some Emmy nominations

[01:25:13] from anybody in this show

[01:25:17] because it's so genre

[01:25:19] I wouldn't be surprised if it was

[01:25:21] more technical type things

[01:25:23] okay what would you

[01:25:25] what would be the categories

[01:25:27] what would they be getting awards for

[01:25:29] best show

[01:25:31] best show okay

[01:25:33] I could see maybe yeah maybe best drama

[01:25:35] they might even put this in comedy

[01:25:39] I think it can go in either one

[01:25:41] yeah

[01:25:43] if they're going to put it out

[01:25:45] for your consideration

[01:25:47] they might wait to see what other shows

[01:25:49] might be nominated to see where they're going to put it

[01:25:51] because they nominate themselves

[01:25:53] they submit

[01:25:55] for which category

[01:25:57] so they might wait to see

[01:25:59] which one they have a better chance of winning

[01:26:01] yeah okay so they just

[01:26:03] you know

[01:26:05] category playing around with that

[01:26:07] but based on what we've seen

[01:26:09] I think isn't it

[01:26:11] still pretty rare for genre things to win anything

[01:26:13] so

[01:26:15] I wouldn't be surprised if they don't

[01:26:17] did Westworld or Game of Thrones ever win any Emmys

[01:26:19] I think Game of Thrones

[01:26:21] probably did

[01:26:23] the rings even win like best picture

[01:26:25] they got a lot of technical stuff

[01:26:27] well the movie actually won

[01:26:29] best picture return of the king

[01:26:31] yeah

[01:26:33] maybe Gwylian

[01:26:35] but do you think maybe like Ella Pernell

[01:26:37] or Walton Goggins could be nominated

[01:26:39] I would guess

[01:26:41] and hope Walton Goggins would over Ella Pernell

[01:26:43] yeah I would too

[01:26:45] I would too

[01:26:47] she was good but he was phenomenal

[01:26:49] he's great

[01:26:51] and it's what's so funny too

[01:26:53] is before this show was announced

[01:26:55] and he was announced to be on it

[01:26:57] I was talking to his publicist about getting him

[01:26:59] on the podcast because I wanted to talk

[01:27:01] to him just because I love him from

[01:27:03] Justified and other things now that he's

[01:27:05] on this show I'll never get him

[01:27:07] never get him

[01:27:09] I'll keep trying but I don't think it'll ever happen

[01:27:11] you never know

[01:27:13] any kind of

[01:27:15] any other things people

[01:27:17] we want to bring up about the series

[01:27:19] before we kind of transition a little bit

[01:27:21] into

[01:27:23] game talk because I know how

[01:27:25] I'm going to make the transition because there is one thing about the show

[01:27:27] I want to bring up

[01:27:29] to start that conversation

[01:27:31] but I don't want to do it unless

[01:27:33] we have other things to talk about

[01:27:35] the only thing I want to say is that I had a drink

[01:27:37] with Michael Emerson once and he was super nice

[01:27:39] I'm so jealous of that too

[01:27:41] I know you

[01:27:43] didn't I'm so jealous of that

[01:27:45] because we did a panel

[01:27:47] and

[01:27:49] Walker Stalker

[01:27:51] and he was such a trooper

[01:27:53] people would ask all these crazy questions

[01:27:55] and he would do his damn best to answer it

[01:27:57] as well as he could

[01:27:59] if he didn't know for sure he would just say what

[01:28:01] he thought it probably could have been

[01:28:03] and then I saw him at the bar

[01:28:05] later that night and I was sort of like

[01:28:07] went up next to him to order a drink

[01:28:09] but I didn't want to intrude and he was like

[01:28:11] oh hey that was a great panel and then

[01:28:13] we just sat and talked for like half an hour

[01:28:15] or something like that

[01:28:17] when Kristen and I were covering Lost over

[01:28:19] on Revisited there was one point

[01:28:21] where I literally

[01:28:23] one Monday I woke up and I just

[01:28:25] I found all the publicist

[01:28:27] information for everybody on the show

[01:28:29] and I just sent out a mass

[01:28:31] emails to everybody to try and get people on

[01:28:33] and

[01:28:35] you know Terri O'Quinn's

[01:28:37] people got back and said well he doesn't

[01:28:39] really want to talk about Lost anymore he wants to move on

[01:28:41] I was like okay whatever

[01:28:43] Michael Emerson's publicist got back to me

[01:28:45] and said oh he would probably love that

[01:28:47] let me see if I can get a hold of him

[01:28:49] because he still loves talking about that show

[01:28:51] and then scheduling wise it never worked out

[01:28:53] but

[01:28:55] I could see him because of the stories that you

[01:28:57] told and knowing when I know from his publicist

[01:28:59] I could see him being that kind of person

[01:29:01] he was and you know

[01:29:03] he's if you watch Lost

[01:29:05] he's

[01:29:07] he's not a he's a wily guy

[01:29:09] you know he's not to be trusted

[01:29:11] and he was just so

[01:29:13] sweet and nice in real life

[01:29:15] or just in the few minutes who knows

[01:29:17] maybe he's actually just like Ben Linus

[01:29:19] when I saw him in this

[01:29:21] show I've been conditioned

[01:29:23] not to trust him so even though he came across

[01:29:25] as a good guy as a character

[01:29:27] I was like what what is he up to but it just turned out to be

[01:29:29] a good guy maybe I'll reach out to his publicist

[01:29:31] again to get him on for fallout like that'd be

[01:29:33] yeah try it out kind of be good too

[01:29:35] but yeah he is I mean and he's such

[01:29:37] a great actor in the sense that

[01:29:39] you know you know talking about Lost again

[01:29:41] he was only supposed to be on what two or three episodes

[01:29:43] right really show and then he ended up being

[01:29:45] on the whole rest of

[01:29:47] they liked him yeah Lost was good about

[01:29:49] adapting to what was working

[01:29:51] yeah

[01:29:53] yeah you could say his his role

[01:29:55] is probably the most iconic

[01:29:57] series

[01:29:59] yeah

[01:30:01] and Ben and Nicky and Paolo not so much

[01:30:03] not so much no

[01:30:05] thank god

[01:30:07] they didn't make it on the show

[01:30:09] well I'd say let's just go right

[01:30:11] into it

[01:30:13] okay so with that being said

[01:30:15] the end of the series

[01:30:17] is a perfect transition into

[01:30:19] bringing us into the video game world

[01:30:21] because

[01:30:23] it is a big reveal for anybody who

[01:30:25] is familiar with the video game series

[01:30:27] of fallout television

[01:30:29] people aren't if you've never seen

[01:30:31] the series before or never played the games

[01:30:33] before you're not familiar with it

[01:30:35] you are not familiar with the city that we see

[01:30:37] at the end of fallout

[01:30:39] well I do know that the highest rated

[01:30:41] fallout game is fallout new Vegas

[01:30:43] and that's all I know and that is what

[01:30:45] we see at the end

[01:30:47] of season

[01:30:49] one of fallout and then we see the NCR

[01:30:51] right there's

[01:30:53] so wait are we getting into

[01:30:55] spoilery should we warn people now that

[01:30:57] probably a good idea

[01:30:59] we just talked about yeah

[01:31:01] but yeah now if we want to talk more

[01:31:03] and we're and if you don't want to hear

[01:31:05] things about the games that could

[01:31:07] potentially come up in the series in

[01:31:09] the future then you should skip to

[01:31:11] the listener feedback section yeah we

[01:31:13] don't I mean we don't know

[01:31:15] if any of the stuff that we're going to mention is going to make it into season 2

[01:31:17] but there's always a potential

[01:31:19] for it so yeah

[01:31:21] if you want to kind of avoid it now's the time

[01:31:23] I'll put it in the show notes the time

[01:31:25] stamps for when to come back in

[01:31:27] for listener feedback and everything else

[01:31:29] but yeah like

[01:31:31] I that got me excited

[01:31:33] because I've never played new Vegas

[01:31:35] but I know how beloved

[01:31:37] that game is

[01:31:39] and I was excited to see that

[01:31:41] yeah so I think that is

[01:31:43] something that's going to

[01:31:45] was always going to hang over

[01:31:47] the show is

[01:31:49] the comparison to

[01:31:51] video games and sort of like

[01:31:53] the story canon

[01:31:55] the video game side versus the story canon

[01:31:57] and the TV show

[01:31:59] and I guess

[01:32:01] my take on it is that the

[01:32:03] the various games right the

[01:32:05] various iteration of the games

[01:32:07] are basically in separate worlds and there's not a whole lot of overlap in the story

[01:32:11] they're not all like canon to each other

[01:32:13] I thought this was just another story

[01:32:15] in the universe and do they contradict each other

[01:32:17] yeah well no so that's what I'm saying is like

[01:32:19] they're all basically stand alone

[01:32:21] stories in those games

[01:32:23] don't really overlap at all

[01:32:25] but they're in the same world

[01:32:27] well it is but like you know

[01:32:29] they don't have like

[01:32:31] New Vegas was kind of its own thing

[01:32:33] and kind of had a unique story

[01:32:35] that was sort of different than all the other ones

[01:32:37] again even though people

[01:32:39] some people they consider that the best

[01:32:41] in this series but

[01:32:43] again so there's really not a whole lot of overlap

[01:32:45] and like you're saying that the thing about the fall

[01:32:47] of video games is that they can just sort of take

[01:32:49] this you know this

[01:32:51] universe and all of the

[01:32:53] you know call outs and all of the

[01:32:55] you know tropes and everything

[01:32:57] and they could just apply it to anywhere right

[01:32:59] like kind of like Grand Theft Auto they can have

[01:33:01] it anywhere they want

[01:33:03] and it's a standalone story for those

[01:33:05] but there's a whole back story to the world

[01:33:07] that they have to honor at least

[01:33:09] right but again like

[01:33:11] they don't dwell they don't get it in that much

[01:33:13] they're mostly focused on

[01:33:15] there's not a lot of history

[01:33:17] of Vault Tech

[01:33:19] and management and on all of that

[01:33:21] in the video games a lot of it is really kept

[01:33:23] open in kind of a mystery

[01:33:25] the show dives into it a lot more

[01:33:27] than the games ever did

[01:33:29] so the show is kind

[01:33:31] of giving us more of an expanded

[01:33:33] look at this universe that the games

[01:33:35] you know because like the games themselves

[01:33:37] like all of the stuff that we get

[01:33:39] in the first couple episodes

[01:33:41] of the show and then little scenes here

[01:33:43] and there of life in a vault

[01:33:45] you don't get any of that in

[01:33:47] any of the games the games legitimately

[01:33:49] start with you leaving the vault

[01:33:51] leaving but do you think

[01:33:53] that the creators of the games have

[01:33:55] like a Bible for the world that

[01:33:57] they yeah and that the

[01:33:59] elements that they place in the games

[01:34:01] align with

[01:34:03] that and then they probably handed

[01:34:05] something like that over consulted

[01:34:07] with the showrunner so it would all fit together

[01:34:09] even though it doesn't come out in the

[01:34:11] game so much as like part of the story

[01:34:13] something like that

[01:34:15] yeah again like like you're saying they

[01:34:17] have this fallout universe

[01:34:19] and they can you know

[01:34:21] the great thing about it is

[01:34:23] you can go anywhere and find some new

[01:34:25] story right you can go find some

[01:34:27] forgotten settlement or you can

[01:34:29] find some underground vault that

[01:34:31] was abandoned or you can find some

[01:34:33] you know weird mad scientists

[01:34:35] hide out right it's just

[01:34:37] like it can be anything there's all kinds

[01:34:39] of factions that you can

[01:34:41] get involved with there's

[01:34:43] a lot more robots in the

[01:34:45] the video games and

[01:34:47] there's whole factions and star lines

[01:34:49] with those particularly you know like

[01:34:51] they had the robo brain right so they figured out

[01:34:53] how to put brains inside of robots

[01:34:55] and control things

[01:34:57] so the

[01:34:59] I think that's sort of the

[01:35:01] sort of brilliance of the whole thing

[01:35:03] and why I think it leads well to these

[01:35:05] TV shows is because again

[01:35:07] canon is just

[01:35:09] not that big a deal right like they

[01:35:11] can just make up whatever shit they want or

[01:35:13] they could just go how about this they can go off on a different

[01:35:15] storyline and I don't have to really worry about

[01:35:17] your continuity all that much

[01:35:19] I mean it's like okay so like

[01:35:21] for example Star Wars

[01:35:23] big sprawling universe but

[01:35:25] if like especially

[01:35:27] Dave Filoni the guy behind the Clone Wars

[01:35:29] if he does a story

[01:35:31] he could do his own standalone story but the

[01:35:33] dressing that he puts around it

[01:35:35] the creatures that he puts in

[01:35:37] it's all going to be

[01:35:39] something that makes sense in the universe

[01:35:41] you may have seen this type of alien before

[01:35:43] and if they're like

[01:35:45] especially in doing mining

[01:35:47] this alien then they might be minors in this

[01:35:49] standalone story that he does so I

[01:35:51] guess my point in saying all this is that

[01:35:53] even though

[01:35:55] the story itself could be unique

[01:35:57] in the different games

[01:35:59] there's still like

[01:36:01] a cohesiveness to the background

[01:36:03] maybe but you're saying

[01:36:05] not so much it doesn't matter

[01:36:07] it's just irradiated world and that's all

[01:36:09] yeah well the tropes are there

[01:36:11] and again that sort of universe right where

[01:36:13] that world

[01:36:15] so again this everything is

[01:36:17] stuck in this post-Wold War 2

[01:36:19] you know 50's

[01:36:21] optimistic

[01:36:23] corporations are your saviors

[01:36:25] or evil

[01:36:27] all that stuff and then all the college again

[01:36:29] how Nukkukola is such a big part of

[01:36:31] the universe to the point where it's

[01:36:33] their money

[01:36:35] and they pay with bottle caps yeah

[01:36:37] so again

[01:36:39] all these things again like all the food

[01:36:41] young dem deviled eggs

[01:36:43] we had

[01:36:45] the dirty water

[01:36:47] right you know she was drinking

[01:36:49] dirty water

[01:36:51] all the various guns

[01:36:53] right so

[01:36:55] so maybe I just sort of mentioned that

[01:36:57] I kind of brought this up before is that

[01:36:59] it's almost the same game

[01:37:01] as Skyrim

[01:37:03] for oblivion elder scrolls right it's the same

[01:37:05] game engine they use the same scripting

[01:37:07] language they use the same

[01:37:09] like

[01:37:11] voice actors the same

[01:37:13] sounds atmospheric sounds

[01:37:15] the same

[01:37:17] it's like

[01:37:19] they're all RPGs so the same style of

[01:37:21] games which is a role-playing game

[01:37:23] where you take a character but then you

[01:37:25] kind of build them up their stats and stuff

[01:37:27] over the course of the game

[01:37:29] so again the big open world

[01:37:31] and you know again

[01:37:33] you can upgrade everything

[01:37:35] they're different

[01:37:37] genre one of my favorite nods

[01:37:39] to the game you know in the very beginning

[01:37:41] when Lucy is sitting down and she's talking

[01:37:43] to the overseers

[01:37:45] of everything

[01:37:47] we get her

[01:37:49] listing off all of her traits

[01:37:51] that's basically building

[01:37:53] your character that's creating

[01:37:55] your character for the game and that's on purpose

[01:37:57] yeah she's talking about

[01:37:59] her strength

[01:38:01] she's talking about her charisma

[01:38:03] she's talking about all these different statistics

[01:38:05] that you have to do when you are creating your character

[01:38:07] for the world and then

[01:38:09] the Pip Boy which is the computer

[01:38:11] that they wear on their arm

[01:38:13] I was always trying to look at the screen

[01:38:15] of that when I was watching because you have

[01:38:17] the Vault tech

[01:38:19] Vault Boy on there

[01:38:21] with all these different numbers

[01:38:23] and that's what you have in the game

[01:38:25] like you look like

[01:38:27] it's your map

[01:38:29] it's your stats

[01:38:31] it's your health status, it's everything

[01:38:33] so it's the PDA right?

[01:38:35] most games have a PDA so it's this one

[01:38:37] although it's huge and chunky

[01:38:39] so it's actually I thought that was kind of weird

[01:38:41] that they would have that

[01:38:43] in the TV show because

[01:38:45] it's completely

[01:38:47] not practical right? it's this huge thing

[01:38:49] strapped to your arm that gets in the way of everything

[01:38:51] and it's really clunky

[01:38:53] how you have to do everything

[01:38:55] but again it's just

[01:38:57] this show is heightened and it's in its own

[01:38:59] like atomic age

[01:39:01] art reality

[01:39:03] you know I think it fits

[01:39:05] well I mean

[01:39:07] they needed it

[01:39:09] they needed PDA for the game right?

[01:39:11] you got to see all these menus

[01:39:13] they got to do it

[01:39:15] and then they want to have it look stylized

[01:39:17] so you're not going to have it

[01:39:19] like there's a theme

[01:39:21] of us versus them

[01:39:23] or

[01:39:25] individualism

[01:39:27] conservative versus leftist kind of a thing

[01:39:29] and I feel like this became a symbol

[01:39:31] of if you're on one side

[01:39:33] if you're wearing this thing that means

[01:39:35] it's kind of like a mega hat

[01:39:37] not the same idea but just

[01:39:39] I only say that in a way that it identifies you

[01:39:41] as a certain kind of person and other people don't like it

[01:39:43] if they see it

[01:39:45] so I think it functioned in that way

[01:39:47] specifically Vault Dwellers

[01:39:49] Cooper said he lost jobs because

[01:39:51] he did the commercial for the Vault

[01:39:53] yeah

[01:39:55] so the idea is

[01:39:57] it was supposed to be only Vault Dwellers have these

[01:39:59] and in the games

[01:40:01] you would have random MP speeds go wow

[01:40:03] it was just totally rare thing

[01:40:05] because you hardly ever see Vault Dwellers

[01:40:07] but they had multiple Pip Boys for sale

[01:40:09] in the

[01:40:11] merchant shop in Philly

[01:40:13] amongst other sort of call outs

[01:40:15] from the video games like the bobble heads

[01:40:17] right you saw those bobble heads

[01:40:19] the vault boy

[01:40:21] those are skill upgrade

[01:40:23] yeah

[01:40:25] they're permanent skill upgrades

[01:40:27] you get like a plus one permanently to a skill

[01:40:29] depending on which bobble head

[01:40:31] that you find in the game

[01:40:33] so it's one of these things like in a lot of games

[01:40:35] it's those things that are hidden

[01:40:37] that you're supposed to find

[01:40:39] that makes you go explore

[01:40:41] or you get

[01:40:43] so that's what they are they're basically just ways

[01:40:45] because they're just hidden everywhere so you just got to go find them

[01:40:47] so it encourages exploration

[01:40:49] yeah so

[01:40:51] again that's another call out

[01:40:53] if I was to say what is the

[01:40:55] what Vault is

[01:40:57] the game right it's just a big open world

[01:40:59] that you explore

[01:41:01] and you'll find like again anywhere

[01:41:03] you go you'll find some fungy

[01:41:05] weird character or person

[01:41:07] or robot or something or you get in a fight

[01:41:09] but again it's just like

[01:41:11] anywhere you go you'll find something cool

[01:41:13] so it really makes

[01:41:15] exploration a big part of the

[01:41:17] game right like you're going to see this

[01:41:19] huge world

[01:41:21] and you're going to go out and find all the cool stuff in it

[01:41:23] so

[01:41:25] then okay then so skill upgrades

[01:41:27] this is the other one right so you got to do stuff that

[01:41:29] skill upgrades and then you can do a lot of fighting

[01:41:31] right so

[01:41:33] with how even how

[01:41:35] hyper violent the TV show was

[01:41:37] it's a tent of 1%

[01:41:39] even if the fighting in the TV

[01:41:41] getting into the game

[01:41:43] last time I was the same you said

[01:41:45] if Joel killed as many people on the show

[01:41:47] as he did in the game you would think he was just a psychopath

[01:41:49] yeah

[01:41:51] you also talk about too

[01:41:53] we talked about how the differences

[01:41:55] in Lucy's character how

[01:41:57] at certain times she's all

[01:41:59] bloodied up and she's wearing all this miscellaneous

[01:42:01] armor well that's your character in the

[01:42:03] game too you start in a

[01:42:05] vault jumpsuit and as you progress

[01:42:07] through you get all these

[01:42:09] different types of armor upgrades that you're

[01:42:11] constantly swapping out because you're taking them off of people that you killed

[01:42:15] so Lucy's character does the same thing

[01:42:17] throughout the game or throughout the TV

[01:42:19] show too is that you see her wearing

[01:42:21] just random

[01:42:23] pieces of armor

[01:42:25] on her body which is

[01:42:27] another great call out to the game

[01:42:29] yeah

[01:42:31] that was almost exactly the armor

[01:42:33] vault suit from the game

[01:42:35] yeah we had that same

[01:42:37] sort of strapping

[01:42:39] yeah so

[01:42:41] so

[01:42:43] and then the next one big one okay so there's

[01:42:45] exploration skill upgrades

[01:42:47] and then

[01:42:49] uh

[01:42:51] uh

[01:42:53] I guess you call it

[01:42:55] stuff upgrades right you're gonna upgrade your equipment

[01:42:57] so there's uh

[01:42:59] all these upgrade stations

[01:43:01] that you have you can then

[01:43:03] in the

[01:43:05] fall of four at least

[01:43:07] there's a huge variety of

[01:43:09] power suits so in the previous ones there's

[01:43:11] only a couple I think the 251 and the T 60

[01:43:13] but in fall of four

[01:43:15] just went over the top and there's so many

[01:43:17] you can wear those

[01:43:19] you can wear them

[01:43:21] and you can mix and match pieces from

[01:43:23] different suits

[01:43:25] and just like in the show

[01:43:27] you need a fusion core to power them

[01:43:29] otherwise they are useless

[01:43:31] it's right and then you'll notice that the

[01:43:33] power

[01:43:35] supply or you know whatever in the vault

[01:43:37] also use one of those right so those fusion

[01:43:39] cores end up being used all over in the

[01:43:41] game and you'll find them

[01:43:43] cause you'll run out of fusion cores

[01:43:45] right and then you'll have to go find one

[01:43:47] right

[01:43:49] and I think just briefly

[01:43:51] it's kind of worth it to mention

[01:43:53] to people who don't know that

[01:43:55] like nuclear power plants

[01:43:57] nuclear power plants right now are based

[01:43:59] on the science of nuclear

[01:44:01] fission which means splitting

[01:44:03] an atom and energy is

[01:44:05] released but also toxicity the nuclear

[01:44:07] waste that's super

[01:44:09] super toxic and also dangerous

[01:44:11] and we're trying to

[01:44:13] figure out how to

[01:44:15] do nuclear fusion

[01:44:17] which is what is happening inside

[01:44:19] the sun and that's when you smash

[01:44:21] atoms together

[01:44:23] not pull them apart

[01:44:25] and there's also energy created in that action

[01:44:27] but

[01:44:29] supposedly it has no toxic

[01:44:31] byproduct but we just can't quite

[01:44:33] figure out how to do it but if you could

[01:44:35] figure it out from what I understand

[01:44:37] you could just have a small amount

[01:44:39] of material that could produce

[01:44:41] tons and tons of energy for a long long long time

[01:44:43] that's kind of the

[01:44:45] cold fusion that they is developing

[01:44:47] in this series

[01:44:49] and that's kind of the

[01:44:51] when I mentioned at the top of this episode

[01:44:53] the alternate reality

[01:44:55] that the show is

[01:44:57] this is a 1950s where fusion has been

[01:44:59] mass produced

[01:45:01] I mean cars are run

[01:45:03] on fusion cores

[01:45:05] that's why in this different time

[01:45:07] these armored suits and everything

[01:45:09] are run by fusion cores

[01:45:11] from the 1950s

[01:45:13] because they last for hundreds

[01:45:15] if not thousands of years

[01:45:17] you know so that's

[01:45:19] what we get all that but going real quick

[01:45:21] to just to cut you off for a second there

[01:45:23] but

[01:45:25] going back to

[01:45:27] locations and things like that

[01:45:29] I think one of the great things that

[01:45:31] the series has working for itself

[01:45:33] is when it comes to the history

[01:45:35] and the lore

[01:45:37] the show kind of has a sandbox to work in

[01:45:39] when it comes to

[01:45:41] what they're doing in the past

[01:45:43] explaining the origin of this world

[01:45:45] because the games don't do it

[01:45:47] so the shows are kind of working in a sandbox

[01:45:49] that's their own little world

[01:45:51] to build up that story and create it

[01:45:53] and the other thing

[01:45:55] that the series is working for them as well

[01:45:57] in regards to not kind of

[01:45:59] stepping on

[01:46:01] things that have already been established

[01:46:03] in the games is the fact that fallout 3

[01:46:05] takes place in DC

[01:46:07] 4 is in Boston

[01:46:09] the fallout games are on the west coast

[01:46:11] with the exception of Las Vegas

[01:46:13] or on the east coast

[01:46:15] with the exception of new Vegas which is

[01:46:17] in Las Vegas so using

[01:46:19] the west coast that's their own

[01:46:21] again little sandbox to use

[01:46:23] that they don't have to worry about stepping

[01:46:25] on the toes of anything that's been established

[01:46:27] already in the games

[01:46:29] yeah so again

[01:46:31] there's an implied shared universe

[01:46:33] or shared world

[01:46:35] but they just don't overlap

[01:46:37] most people just don't travel

[01:46:39] so you could say that's kind of like

[01:46:41] a weird contradiction

[01:46:43] because there's tons of people

[01:46:45] and they've got these settlements

[01:46:47] and they've got things powered

[01:46:49] but they don't clear

[01:46:51] any of the debris anywhere

[01:46:53] everything is still bombed out

[01:46:55] and rubble and everything

[01:46:57] they just want to keep it

[01:46:59] post-pacocalyptic

[01:47:01] they don't want it to build

[01:47:03] or re-grow anything

[01:47:07] I think it was kind of interesting too

[01:47:09] that they had some

[01:47:11] this is sort of a difference in the games

[01:47:13] that they had some places that were going through forests

[01:47:15] and stuff where most of the

[01:47:17] I don't recall a whole lot of forests

[01:47:19] and fallout games

[01:47:21] everything is just bombed out

[01:47:23] and irradiated and dead

[01:47:25] and you know, mutated and weird

[01:47:27] so how does force

[01:47:29] stay around but you know, again it's

[01:47:31] I don't know if that's

[01:47:33] an important point or not

[01:47:35] or it's just this difference

[01:47:37] Do you guys think that

[01:47:39] the story of

[01:47:41] Vault Tech actually being the ones

[01:47:43] that

[01:47:45] caused the nuclear bomb to go off

[01:47:49] was new for the series then

[01:47:51] that wasn't in the game at all

[01:47:53] like that wasn't the intention of the game

[01:47:55] I don't recall that being in the game at all

[01:47:57] I think that was a nice little twist

[01:47:59] It is, yeah

[01:48:01] again it goes along with

[01:48:03] the whole aesthetic

[01:48:05] or the world but

[01:48:07] it's contradictory

[01:48:09] the various games they have

[01:48:11] various sub-planations and most of it you'll find

[01:48:13] like a terminal somewhere

[01:48:15] and you'll see some records

[01:48:17] but they never

[01:48:19] really go into a lot of detail

[01:48:21] I think a lot of it was just

[01:48:23] the war

[01:48:25] the war with the Americans

[01:48:27] US and the Chinese just got out of hand

[01:48:29] it was just a spontaneous thing

[01:48:31] and there wasn't any weird

[01:48:33] you know, conspiracy

[01:48:35] or anything

[01:48:37] but then there was other things like

[01:48:39] you get into the DLC

[01:48:41] the DLC has its own thing

[01:48:43] so there's actually

[01:48:45] a Nuka World DLC

[01:48:47] that I don't know if they have to go into

[01:48:49] but it's probably one of the best DLCs

[01:48:51] across any video game I've played

[01:48:53] it's so good but they had their own

[01:48:55] sort of like how the

[01:48:57] military

[01:48:59] got their

[01:49:01] weapons and ended up

[01:49:03] leading to wars and things like that

[01:49:05] so again, so

[01:49:07] like I was saying

[01:49:09] most of these video games is just a

[01:49:13] an avenue to explore these

[01:49:15] stories, you know, like they don't get

[01:49:17] caught up in canon at all

[01:49:19] you know, they just

[01:49:21] you got caps, you got Nuka Cola

[01:49:23] you know, you got

[01:49:25] you know, you have Devil Eggs

[01:49:27] you got, you know

[01:49:29] the barrels and the gulpers

[01:49:31] actually the gulpers is from a DLC

[01:49:33] that was kind of an interesting choice to use there

[01:49:39] but again

[01:49:41] the games are just super fun

[01:49:43] like I was saying before because

[01:49:45] you can just, if you really like

[01:49:47] exploration in games it's perfect

[01:49:49] they are a lot of fun

[01:49:51] like I said, I'm even getting back into them now

[01:49:53] I'm replaying for now

[01:49:55] and I'm replaying it with the DLC

[01:49:57] because I've never played the DLC

[01:49:59] on it last time so now the DLC is installed

[01:50:01] so and I've already seen

[01:50:03] it's already popped up in my

[01:50:05] mission log to go to Nuka World

[01:50:07] and I just haven't gone there yet

[01:50:09] one of the things that I

[01:50:11] wanted to bring up real quick is

[01:50:13] one of the things that the show kind of did

[01:50:15] that played a nod to the games

[01:50:17] is one of the most iconic things

[01:50:19] for Fallout is

[01:50:21] the thumbs up is the

[01:50:23] Vault Boy thumbs up

[01:50:25] it's on everything, it's in the games

[01:50:27] it's in the show

[01:50:29] but the show gave us an origin

[01:50:31] of Vault Boy

[01:50:33] and it's Cooper

[01:50:35] yeah, I think so

[01:50:37] that was interesting

[01:50:39] again I think they just made that up

[01:50:41] for the show and it's not a bad thing

[01:50:43] but again

[01:50:45] it goes back to what I said earlier

[01:50:47] is that they kind of have their own little sandbox to play

[01:50:49] and they create

[01:50:51] this backstory that the games never gave us

[01:50:53] so for them

[01:50:55] it's taking advantage of the format

[01:50:57] because shows are

[01:50:59] much more about story

[01:51:01] in general

[01:51:03] I mean, you know, the games

[01:51:05] why not tell the story

[01:51:07] yeah

[01:51:09] anything from the games

[01:51:11] that we didn't get in this season

[01:51:13] that you would want to see pop up in season 2

[01:51:15] because I can think of one thing

[01:51:17] I want to see in season 2

[01:51:19] well, okay, so

[01:51:21] are they going to start to

[01:51:23] sort of get into

[01:51:25] some of the game mechanics more

[01:51:27] and then try to explore those

[01:51:29] again, so the big parts of the games

[01:51:31] are exploration

[01:51:33] then scrapping

[01:51:35] just going around and finding scrap

[01:51:37] that you can use to upgrade things

[01:51:39] so you got to scrap and you got to explore

[01:51:41] all the crazy weapons

[01:51:43] so they kind of pointed out

[01:51:45] I think

[01:51:47] the Blood of the Hood of Steel Knight

[01:51:49] they had a

[01:51:51] laser rifle sticking out of the bag

[01:51:53] they lug around so you can see the butt end

[01:51:55] of it

[01:51:57] but I didn't see any, so I was hoping

[01:51:59] there would be a lot more crazy weapons frankly

[01:52:03] yeah, no go ahead

[01:52:05] so there's actually

[01:52:07] two things I would like to see pop up in season 2

[01:52:11] in season 1 we got

[01:52:13] the Brotherhood of Steel, we got the Raiders

[01:52:15] and we got the New California Republic

[01:52:17] yeah

[01:52:19] I want to see the Institute

[01:52:21] and I want to see the Minute Men

[01:52:23] there are other

[01:52:25] factions that we need to see

[01:52:27] pop up

[01:52:29] so that's a really good point is that a big part

[01:52:31] of the video games is the factions

[01:52:33] like you come across some settlement

[01:52:35] and then it's going to be

[01:52:37] you know, the whatever it is

[01:52:39] the Raiders, the Brotherhood of Steel

[01:52:41] the Institute

[01:52:43] the Railroad

[01:52:45] the

[01:52:47] Ghouls

[01:52:49] the merchants, the settlers

[01:52:51] then there's the various monsters

[01:52:53] right and

[01:52:55] the robots right so there's just

[01:52:57] tons and tons of different factions

[01:52:59] right and they all

[01:53:01] then there's a karma thing in the game

[01:53:03] so that you can people know

[01:53:05] if you're good or bad and they'll respond

[01:53:07] you differently

[01:53:09] I don't know how they would institute

[01:53:11] I don't know how they would put that into a show

[01:53:13] I don't think every

[01:53:15] because you're not going to see two different versions

[01:53:17] of the same events played out

[01:53:19] bad

[01:53:21] I don't think there's ways to bring everything from the game into the series

[01:53:23] but that is something worth noting

[01:53:25] because it's I've read about it in this particular

[01:53:27] to well some

[01:53:29] other games have it but where

[01:53:31] what Doug is saying I guess is if you

[01:53:33] kill a lot of people then people might treat

[01:53:35] you differently than if you're nice right yeah

[01:53:37] yeah they'll attack you

[01:53:39] right like you'll be you know

[01:53:41] so you'll have you get a reputation

[01:53:43] right so there's reputation with these factions

[01:53:45] and if he gets too bad they attack

[01:53:47] you and if you're good then they'll be nice

[01:53:49] to you and you'll actually get okay

[01:53:51] then they so a big

[01:53:53] part of the games is

[01:53:55] also the speech

[01:53:57] right so you spend a lot of time in

[01:53:59] these dialogue trees

[01:54:01] going through these various you know

[01:54:03] dialogue choices and you got to pick the right ones

[01:54:05] right so it's very RPG in that

[01:54:07] regard and then if you have a

[01:54:09] better speech skill that they'll be

[01:54:11] more likely to give you you know better

[01:54:13] responses and all these things

[01:54:15] I don't know you know

[01:54:17] again if these game mechanics make

[01:54:19] sense for the right or not

[01:54:21] but because they

[01:54:23] sometimes I think if

[01:54:25] a game mechanic

[01:54:27] just doesn't make sense

[01:54:29] and they try to force it in then that would be a mistake

[01:54:31] like there's some things that they should just be like

[01:54:33] nope that doesn't make any sense

[01:54:35] I think it would basically just be

[01:54:37] you're going to come across a character who just seems

[01:54:39] much more charismatic than anybody else

[01:54:41] and that's kind of the way they're

[01:54:43] going to kind of dive into those different

[01:54:45] kind of things

[01:54:47] the only other thing I would I know

[01:54:49] for sure I would like to see in season 2

[01:54:51] and I know I've seen people online

[01:54:53] say they were disappointed

[01:54:55] not to see it in season 1 but the

[01:54:57] writers and the showrunners kind of said

[01:54:59] well this was something we were saving

[01:55:01] for a season 2 is I want to see death claws

[01:55:03] now did they

[01:55:05] hint at it

[01:55:07] like oh there's a death call

[01:55:09] there's a death call skull

[01:55:11] they also think that like remember they were getting

[01:55:13] dragged away and they ended up involved for

[01:55:15] and I thought it was looked like a death claw or

[01:55:17] something like that

[01:55:19] I don't know about that

[01:55:21] you could be right I don't know

[01:55:23] but I think it would be good if you want to see a full

[01:55:25] on one though

[01:55:27] it's pretty shocking

[01:55:29] when you see in the game the first time

[01:55:31] oh it's one of those things that when you're in the

[01:55:33] game the moment you see one you're like oh I'm going

[01:55:35] the other way

[01:55:37] yeah well maybe that's

[01:55:39] I'm sure they're saving something

[01:55:41] like I did because I've never played

[01:55:43] the games but I know that

[01:55:45] New Vegas is

[01:55:47] considered by many fans to be the best one

[01:55:49] and so just to see that call out

[01:55:51] to it at the end like this is what's coming up next

[01:55:53] was pretty cool

[01:55:55] yeah it was

[01:55:57] it's a good one

[01:55:59] I think it's

[01:56:01] let's just say

[01:56:03] it's

[01:56:05] somewhat controversial right there's very

[01:56:07] strong opinions one way or the other which

[01:56:09] which is the best

[01:56:11] I just before the podcast

[01:56:13] googled rank

[01:56:15] the fallout games

[01:56:17] and I went to five different sites

[01:56:19] and they all have new vans

[01:56:21] oh every site has a new vanguards

[01:56:23] I mean so it's so popular

[01:56:25] like I said I've never played it

[01:56:27] but even I at the end of the show

[01:56:29] when I saw New Vegas I was like

[01:56:31] okay we're going to New Vegas

[01:56:33] yes I have to play New Vegas before season 2

[01:56:35] comes out

[01:56:37] and there's a fallout 5 in the works

[01:56:39] but Bethesda is prioritizing

[01:56:41] the Skyrim

[01:56:43] follow up first

[01:56:45] yeah so it's gonna be a while

[01:56:47] well let's just open up the fact that they

[01:56:49] it used to be single player

[01:56:51] offline

[01:56:53] RPG game

[01:56:55] then they decided

[01:56:57] MMOs

[01:56:59] are where we make all the money in

[01:57:01] microtransactions so they came out

[01:57:03] with an MMO fallout called fallout 76

[01:57:05] which apparently

[01:57:07] has like

[01:57:09] exploded

[01:57:11] in players since

[01:57:13] the series came out

[01:57:15] yeah I read it was really

[01:57:17] disappointing on launch but has gotten better

[01:57:19] they've made a number of improvements

[01:57:21] but it still isn't listed high

[01:57:23] in the rankings it's like mid level

[01:57:25] I frankly

[01:57:27] refuse to play it

[01:57:29] I jumped into it for a little bit

[01:57:31] I got bored of it pretty quick because I just don't like playing MMOs

[01:57:33] yeah

[01:57:35] that's the thing and I think

[01:57:37] they dumbed down the game mechanics

[01:57:39] and there's just

[01:57:41] again the whole thing is supposed to be the lone wanderer

[01:57:43] is the literal name

[01:57:45] of the main character

[01:57:47] and here you are it's filled with all

[01:57:49] thousands of people

[01:57:51] thousands of lone wanderers

[01:57:53] we're all individuals

[01:57:55] so

[01:57:57] I'm just

[01:57:59] it's interesting

[01:58:01] that they are going to come out with a new Skyrim

[01:58:03] single player Skyrim and single player

[01:58:05] fallout

[01:58:07] because that goes

[01:58:09] but that doesn't just look like they weren't going to do anything

[01:58:13] more with single player

[01:58:15] it's all micro transaction MMOs

[01:58:17] and screw all this other stuff

[01:58:19] maybe it's because of the show

[01:58:21] or maybe because everybody just kept screaming about it

[01:58:23] but

[01:58:25] remember

[01:58:27] fallout is Skyrim

[01:58:29] it's basically

[01:58:31] Skyrim with different costumes

[01:58:33] it's the same way

[01:58:35] it's the same way that Grand Theft Auto

[01:58:37] is Red Dead Redemption

[01:58:39] both Rockstar

[01:58:41] and LA Noir

[01:58:43] yeah exactly

[01:58:45] it's the same mechanics

[01:58:47] you know

[01:58:49] just a different genre

[01:58:51] thanks Michael

[01:58:53] but it is kind of the same game

[01:58:55] right and

[01:58:57] if you do like fallout

[01:58:59] you probably would like Skyrim

[01:59:01] and vice versa

[01:59:03] you would probably enjoy it

[01:59:05] it just has

[01:59:07] a unique setting

[01:59:09] and unique world and everything

[01:59:11] but they're pretty damn fun and you can see why

[01:59:13] again they really translate to the TV show

[01:59:15] because it's just unlimited potential

[01:59:17] they can make stories anywhere

[01:59:19] you just walked down the road

[01:59:21] and you get to some other town

[01:59:23] and suddenly it's a whole

[01:59:25] it's been taken over by rad roaches

[01:59:27] and you have to free the town

[01:59:29] for being trapped or

[01:59:31] I'm just making this up but you know

[01:59:33] they needed to capture kind of what was special

[01:59:35] and unique about fallout which is that

[01:59:37] atomic age 50s optimist that we talked about

[01:59:39] combined with that just

[01:59:41] depraved, mutant

[01:59:43] dark

[01:59:45] brutality

[01:59:47] and I would say too if anybody wants to dive into these games

[01:59:49] which I kind of share your sentiment Doug

[01:59:51] like I recommend these games because they are a lot of fun

[01:59:53] I would actually say fallout 4

[01:59:55] is probably the best one to start with

[01:59:57] one because it doesn't feel as dated

[01:59:59] some of the other games definitely

[02:00:01] feel a little dated graphic wise

[02:00:03] however

[02:00:05] a fallout 4 still holds up

[02:00:07] in its original graphics

[02:00:09] and April 25th

[02:00:11] this coming week they are releasing a

[02:00:13] next-gen update

[02:00:15] for ps5 and

[02:00:17] Microsoft Series X for fallout 4

[02:00:19] so it's getting updates

[02:00:21] and I think it's a free update

[02:00:23] if you own the game

[02:00:25] excellent

[02:00:27] not only that but fallout 4

[02:00:29] actually has a really great intro story

[02:00:31] that kind of introduces you to this world

[02:00:33] yeah

[02:00:35] it is really a good

[02:00:37] you kind of get the whole universe

[02:00:39] really well presented

[02:00:41] and you don't miss anything

[02:00:43] story-wise from fallouts 1, 2 and 3

[02:00:45] because they are all separate

[02:00:47] stories in different cities and everything

[02:00:49] so fallout 4 is a nice kind of like encased

[02:00:53] good place to start

[02:00:55] good introduction to the world with everything

[02:00:57] I plan on going back to fallout

[02:00:59] Vegas once I'm done with fallout 4

[02:01:01] although fallout 4 might take me a while

[02:01:03] because I'm falling back into the same thing

[02:01:05] I did the first time I played

[02:01:07] in that

[02:01:09] trying to do everything

[02:01:11] well trying to do all the side quests

[02:01:13] but then I get to a point where you discover

[02:01:15] a different vault

[02:01:17] you discover a new vault

[02:01:19] and it's vault 88

[02:01:21] once you get inside this vault

[02:01:23] you meet Agul

[02:01:25] who is still in her right mind

[02:01:27] she's actually the

[02:01:29] overseer

[02:01:31] she's the overseer of this vault

[02:01:33] but there's nobody else she's the only one there

[02:01:35] and you actually clear out

[02:01:37] this entire place and it becomes

[02:01:39] your sandbox to rebuild a vault

[02:01:41] and I spend

[02:01:43] hours in this fucking vault

[02:01:45] just rebuilding and

[02:01:47] recruiting new people to come into this vault

[02:01:49] so

[02:01:51] it's kind of cool because

[02:01:53] I believe that DLC

[02:01:55] is the one where again you could sort of

[02:01:57] make your own vaults

[02:01:59] and you can actually set up weird

[02:02:01] sadistic

[02:02:03] science experiments and put

[02:02:05] all the people that you attracted

[02:02:07] to the vault through it

[02:02:09] and you can come up with more twisted in

[02:02:11] maybe I did play the DLC

[02:02:13] the first time then and I just never got

[02:02:15] to the other stuff

[02:02:17] because I got stuck in Vault 88

[02:02:19] for hours on end

[02:02:21] and it's great because

[02:02:23] they actually have a really good physics engine

[02:02:25] so you can do all sorts of there's a contraptions one

[02:02:27] as well

[02:02:29] DLC so you can make all sorts of cool contraptions

[02:02:31] okay

[02:02:33] yeah, yeah, yeah

[02:02:35] but I have to totally agree that

[02:02:37] while the other games like Fallout 3

[02:02:39] and Fallout New Vegas are considered

[02:02:41] the

[02:02:43] best of the genre, Fallout 4 is a really great way

[02:02:45] to get introduced because it does

[02:02:47] cover so much of

[02:02:49] where does Vault 8 come from

[02:02:51] how do you get there

[02:02:53] what are you doing there

[02:02:55] how are you

[02:02:57] depraved

[02:02:59] and it launches you right into the world

[02:03:03] and everything just

[02:03:05] everything just opens up

[02:03:07] you can come across all the cities

[02:03:09] and it does show you

[02:03:11] how different

[02:03:13] Vaults were very different

[02:03:15] like Vault 88 was a place where people lived

[02:03:19] Vault 111 which is the Vault you start in

[02:03:21] in Fallout 4 was a

[02:03:23] cryogenic Vault everybody in there was cryogenically frozen

[02:03:25] so similar to the show

[02:03:27] where different Vaults had different

[02:03:29] kind of ways people lived

[02:03:31] different Vaults that you

[02:03:33] find along the way and Fallout 4

[02:03:35] also show you the same thing

[02:03:37] that different Vaults were different things

[02:03:39] different Vaults were different lifestyles

[02:03:41] and experiments

[02:03:43] I want to kind of wrap up

[02:03:45] the game talk so we can go into feedback

[02:03:47] because we're already running over two hours at this point

[02:03:49] yeah, yeah, yeah

[02:03:51] the only thing I'll say

[02:03:53] and I'll actually this will be me bringing

[02:03:55] everybody back in because unless

[02:03:57] anybody else has anything else

[02:03:59] about the game talk

[02:04:01] then I'll bring everybody

[02:04:03] back in at this point and I'm going to mention

[02:04:05] this one thing because I love this

[02:04:07] I love when shows do this and this isn't game talk

[02:04:09] so everybody else can hear this

[02:04:11] I don't know if you know this or not

[02:04:13] but in the commercial that Cooper records

[02:04:15] the phone number

[02:04:17] works

[02:04:19] it's a 213 number

[02:04:21] you can call it or you can

[02:04:23] text it and you get two different things

[02:04:25] if you call their text

[02:04:27] if you call it, I won't say what they are

[02:04:29] let people call

[02:04:31] what do you know the number? it is 213

[02:04:33] 215 Vault

[02:04:35] or 213

[02:04:37] 258

[02:04:39] 2858

[02:04:41] call it, that's Ben's personal number actually

[02:04:43] he just wants to talk

[02:04:45] oh shit hold on that was my social security

[02:04:47] number hang on

[02:04:49] no call it

[02:04:51] and text it you get two different responses

[02:04:53] nice

[02:04:55] I will

[02:04:57] I'll leave it at that

[02:04:59] 213

[02:05:01] 213

[02:05:03] 258

[02:05:05] 2858

[02:05:07] or 213

[02:05:09] 215 Vault

[02:05:11] so call it and text it

[02:05:13] we'll leave it at that

[02:05:15] for a good time

[02:05:17] for a good time call Cooper

[02:05:19] alright so let's dive

[02:05:21] then into the feedback for the episode

[02:05:23] in which we got quite

[02:05:25] a bit so thank you to everybody

[02:05:27] for all of that

[02:05:29] and for leaving the feedback

[02:05:31] let's kick it off

[02:05:33] we're gonna we got a couple of voicemails

[02:05:35] as well so we'll kind of just throw them in

[02:05:37] as we're going

[02:05:39] but Doug why don't you start us off with the first one

[02:05:41] me? okay

[02:05:43] did you not have it pulled up?

[02:05:45] no

[02:05:47] or did you not know you were going to be reading feedback?

[02:05:49] well you know I thought it was from Doug

[02:05:51] no

[02:05:53] I put our names in front of each one

[02:05:55] that I wanted us to read

[02:05:57] cool stuff okay so this is from Alicia Stout

[02:05:59] from somewhere

[02:06:01] and she says as a non-gamer

[02:06:03] I'm happy to listen so you can

[02:06:05] unwind the confusion I have about the show

[02:06:07] and he says to be fair

[02:06:09] I'm only in one set in one episode

[02:06:11] so yeah

[02:06:13] I hope it

[02:06:15] unwound the confusion

[02:06:17] I think I asked her

[02:06:19] if she had

[02:06:21] I can't remember if

[02:06:23] she had any particular

[02:06:25] well that was Alma

[02:06:27] and then she did leave us some other

[02:06:29] additional feedback later so I didn't

[02:06:31] okay cool

[02:06:33] but again I really hope that we did cover a little bit

[02:06:35] and maybe some of those

[02:06:37] mysteries became less mysterious

[02:06:39] and I hope you're

[02:06:41] I doubt it but I hope so as well

[02:06:43] and I hope you're further than episode one at this point

[02:06:45] I bet you

[02:06:47] I bet you Alicia liked it I have a feeling

[02:06:49] but we'll see I'm curious to know

[02:06:51] Roschando Walker says looking

[02:06:53] forward to this I just finished the series today

[02:06:55] and I loved it I'm not familiar with

[02:06:57] the game but this was pretty awesome

[02:06:59] I hope we get a season two I'm sure we will

[02:07:01] well you're right because they just announced it

[02:07:03] just announced season two

[02:07:05] Joe Levin

[02:07:07] I think is how you pronounce it never played

[02:07:09] the video game but loved the show

[02:07:11] hope they keep it going I always love

[02:07:13] Walt and Goggins and just about everything

[02:07:15] which is what got me to give out

[02:07:17] give it a chance

[02:07:19] but I think it was well written and entertaining

[02:07:21] and I'm right there with you Walt and Goggins

[02:07:23] drew me in he was

[02:07:25] he's in another show I've been watching recently

[02:07:27] which is Invincible where he plays

[02:07:29] Cecil I guess

[02:07:31] oh he's in Invincible too

[02:07:33] yeah I'll have to check that out

[02:07:35] I still haven't started it

[02:07:37] you gotta watch that Ben

[02:07:39] okay so now we've got one

[02:07:41] from Jennifer McGinley

[02:07:43] and she says oh

[02:07:45] I only watched episode one so won't be able to listen

[02:07:47] he still should

[02:07:49] or contribute much but I really

[02:07:51] liked it but had no idea

[02:07:53] what was going on so that kind of echoes a little bit

[02:07:55] when my original watching the first episode

[02:07:57] but after reading

[02:07:59] a great in-depth recap

[02:08:01] is all made clear okay

[02:08:03] right okay yeah

[02:08:05] clicks once you understand a lot of the stuff

[02:08:07] that are just references

[02:08:09] great visuals looking forward to the rest

[02:08:11] which I'm trying to tune into

[02:08:13] but keep getting distracted by decision to watch

[02:08:15] Sopranos 20 years after everyone else

[02:08:17] hey we all got a media cue

[02:08:19] we gotta get through it so

[02:08:21] and that is a good I mean that show

[02:08:23] really influenced the TV

[02:08:25] landscape in a big way

[02:08:27] yeah and all I say is

[02:08:29] don't stop

[02:08:31] never stop

[02:08:33] okay

[02:08:35] alright

[02:08:37] that's her face

[02:08:39] sorry spoiler okay Catherine Peters

[02:08:41] says I thought Ella Pernell

[02:08:43] was amazing in yellow jackets but I love her so much more

[02:08:45] as Lucy I could definitely see

[02:08:47] that I haven't played fallout

[02:08:49] in years the ending was a complete surprise

[02:08:51] they did a great job of including so many details

[02:08:53] but my favorite was

[02:08:55] Meat Dog a.k.c.x 404

[02:08:57] I was yelling where's

[02:08:59] the Stim Pack when she got stabbed

[02:09:01] I'm ready for season 2

[02:09:03] and maybe a replay of fallout 4

[02:09:05] so many people are going to be replaying those games

[02:09:07] yeah like I said

[02:09:09] should we bring

[02:09:11] up it's dog meat actually I think

[02:09:13] yeah should we say anything about dog meat

[02:09:15] because obviously

[02:09:17] had pretty big part of the show

[02:09:19] he ended up being a companion for

[02:09:21] Lucy and

[02:09:23] Ben

[02:09:25] and with yeah he so he

[02:09:27] with Cooper

[02:09:29] you know he's in the game dog meats

[02:09:31] in the game oh dog meat is the first companion

[02:09:33] you make in the in the game

[02:09:35] in fallout 4 there you go

[02:09:37] yeah cool

[02:09:39] so um

[02:09:41] like we don't get a backs dog meat

[02:09:43] backstory you know it's just sort of

[02:09:45] I mean we I think it eventually talked about a little bit

[02:09:47] but they don't really you know like in the games

[02:09:49] yeah he's just

[02:09:51] he's just a dog back story

[02:09:53] in this show yeah

[02:09:55] that's kind of news in the games

[02:09:57] recently yeah cool

[02:09:59] uh oh my contraris

[02:10:01] says well I binge the whole

[02:10:03] thing in like two days I thought it was a very

[02:10:05] well-produced show my favorite character

[02:10:07] was Lucy from the start to the finale

[02:10:09] I kept thinking this girl

[02:10:11] is going to get hit after hit but still keeps

[02:10:13] going oh this kid this girl keeps

[02:10:15] getting hit after hit but still keeps

[02:10:17] going I had questions about the

[02:10:19] ghoul he is basically a zombie guy

[02:10:21] right

[02:10:23] sort of

[02:10:25] I felt bad for him it is never ending search for his family

[02:10:27] I think once I tune into the podcast

[02:10:29] I will understand some things better catch you

[02:10:31] all real soon

[02:10:33] I love speaking of the ghoul being sort

[02:10:35] of like a zombie I feel like

[02:10:37] they're much more like zombies once they go feral

[02:10:39] and mindless and I really liked when they got

[02:10:41] to the um Griffith observatory

[02:10:43] where Mildave was had her

[02:10:45] headquarters or whatever that there was just a

[02:10:47] zombie sitting at the table there and it was

[02:10:49] Lucy's mother right but yeah

[02:10:51] it was so it was just kind of funny to see

[02:10:53] oh yeah there's a zombie just sitting right there

[02:10:55] well I like the two that when he

[02:10:57] um

[02:10:59] when they when he runs into the other ghoul who's kind

[02:11:01] of like half buried in the sand

[02:11:03] and like on the verge of going feral

[02:11:05] and he's having that conversation

[02:11:07] with him like you know trying to

[02:11:09] keep his head about him but

[02:11:11] trying to keep him there but you know it just doesn't do it

[02:11:13] yeah

[02:11:15] um okay

[02:11:17] so here's one from Brian Seidel

[02:11:19] where I said that right as someone completely

[02:11:21] unfiltered fallout I assume

[02:11:23] the game and the show I did enjoy episode one

[02:11:25] good script

[02:11:27] good acting I love to look and feel

[02:11:29] the 1950s slash but

[02:11:31] in the future sets episode

[02:11:33] two was not as good but still enjoyable

[02:11:35] uh not sure what direction to show is

[02:11:37] going it is not as dark

[02:11:39] as most dystopian stories

[02:11:41] oh wow that's

[02:11:43] so just something about tv today

[02:11:45] uh and so it's

[02:11:47] not as dark as most dystopian stories

[02:11:49] and a bit of humor mixed in

[02:11:51] never having played the game I have no idea

[02:11:53] what easter eggs I'm missing I will have to give the rest

[02:11:55] a view

[02:11:57] I hope you watched it

[02:11:59] yeah well again I hope these

[02:12:01] people are watching after episode one

[02:12:03] I I have an update

[02:12:05] uh Brian said I was a friend of mine

[02:12:07] uh he has given up on the show

[02:12:09] oh wow

[02:12:11] he did not make it past episode

[02:12:13] three which is kind of a bummer

[02:12:15] yeah

[02:12:17] he said he just it wasn't clicking with him

[02:12:19] and he he was giving up on it

[02:12:21] so I really think

[02:12:23] some people who need

[02:12:25] I don't know if Brian's like this but want more

[02:12:27] of that

[02:12:29] cohesiveness and depth

[02:12:31] would like to show better if they did

[02:12:33] finish the whole thing you know

[02:12:35] and it didn't just feel like this crazy fantasy

[02:12:37] adventure but had more of oh wow

[02:12:39] there's connections and meaning

[02:12:41] and stuff later on

[02:12:43] yeah

[02:12:45] you know it's a bummer maybe I can talk him into

[02:12:47] going back to it at some point I don't know

[02:12:49] maybe he just didn't like it

[02:12:51] he probably won't be listening to this

[02:12:53] since he's not watching the show anymore

[02:12:55] but let's go

[02:12:57] to the first voicemail we have

[02:12:59] and this comes from

[02:13:01] Sam from Boston

[02:13:03] I believe

[02:13:05] hi it's

[02:13:07] Sam I really

[02:13:09] liked this from that

[02:13:11] ending I'm guessing season one

[02:13:13] fallout

[02:13:15] I thought they did a really phenomenal job

[02:13:17] and with that cliffhanger

[02:13:19] of an ending I'm guessing

[02:13:21] they're pretty confident that there's going to be

[02:13:23] a season two

[02:13:25] when the ghoul said we're going to go meet

[02:13:27] the makers I said yes please let's go

[02:13:29] and then I looked at how much time was

[02:13:31] remaining in the episode and realized I won't

[02:13:33] be getting that for at least two years

[02:13:35] I mean the show

[02:13:37] was just so well done at least for me

[02:13:39] they had

[02:13:41] violence gore action

[02:13:43] comedy well written characters

[02:13:45] and some decent

[02:13:47] mysteries and pacing sold

[02:13:49] you got me I'm in for the long haul

[02:13:51] and

[02:13:53] the music I thought was such a great touch

[02:13:55] because it was the music I'm guessing from the 50s

[02:13:57] and 60s which would make

[02:13:59] sense because that's when they dropped the

[02:14:01] a bomb on the

[02:14:03] United States in that timeline so

[02:14:05] there wouldn't be new music I mean

[02:14:07] they wouldn't be having

[02:14:09] Miley Cyrus and T-swift

[02:14:11] around at that time

[02:14:13] even if they happen to be born

[02:14:15] I don't know there's a lot of airways

[02:14:17] out there for them to make their music

[02:14:19] so I thought

[02:14:21] they did a really really great job of reminding us

[02:14:23] that civilization ended

[02:14:25] so I thought that you know juxtapose

[02:14:27] with the music

[02:14:29] was great kind of like the watchmen

[02:14:31] meet silo

[02:14:33] and the ghoul at Walton Goggins

[02:14:35] knocked it out of the park again

[02:14:37] at least for me just such

[02:14:39] charisma charming

[02:14:41] just pulled me in

[02:14:43] every time there's such a duality

[02:14:45] to that character where he was doing awful

[02:14:47] things and yet I could

[02:14:49] see where he was coming

[02:14:51] from and relate

[02:14:53] to him in a way that I don't know if

[02:14:55] I would make those decisions and yet I understood

[02:14:57] what he was it was

[02:14:59] just really a fascinating

[02:15:01] portrayal and a lot of credit to

[02:15:03] the actor and the writers

[02:15:05] and Lucy, oh such a great

[02:15:07] character I don't know I really

[02:15:09] related to her in these situations

[02:15:11] I also say oki doki a bunch

[02:15:13] so

[02:15:15] I thought that she was such a great character as

[02:15:17] our in into this world and also

[02:15:19] didn't fall into those Danzel and stress

[02:15:21] tropes she got herself out of those situations

[02:15:23] which I really appreciated

[02:15:25] for season 2 I want the show to not

[02:15:27] kill off any more dogs

[02:15:29] please no more I do want that serum

[02:15:31] for my cat though because I do want her to live forever

[02:15:33] and I can give her those little injections that

[02:15:35] the ghoul used to remain cognizant

[02:15:37] so what are your predictions

[02:15:39] for season 2 also I could use a little help

[02:15:41] what did the meaning of that city

[02:15:43] at the end like obviously

[02:15:45] the makers are in there but we're

[02:15:47] re supposed to have recognized it and I just

[02:15:49] didn't looking forward

[02:15:51] to podcast

[02:15:53] believe you're a gamer

[02:15:55] thank you Sam and

[02:15:57] they didn't kill off any dogs

[02:15:59] no he did

[02:16:01] we survived

[02:16:03] well he got to get revived by the stimpag

[02:16:05] true

[02:16:07] yeah he's not dead

[02:16:09] so she said she could understand

[02:16:11] what Cooper did even though she wouldn't make the same

[02:16:13] decisions what about when Cooper drank

[02:16:15] all the water from the canteen

[02:16:17] except for the last little bit which he poured out

[02:16:19] that was one of the most

[02:16:21] dickish moves of any character

[02:16:25] that she had to drink radioactive water after that

[02:16:27] it's so funny because

[02:16:29] during that scene my mother

[02:16:31] actually happened to be here and was watching that episode

[02:16:33] with me and when we both

[02:16:35] I think almost at the same time

[02:16:37] when he dumped out

[02:16:39] the last of the water I think almost

[02:16:41] in unison we were both like

[02:16:43] what a dick

[02:16:45] that's funny

[02:16:49] alright great to hear from Sam

[02:16:51] here's Jack Shandel who says

[02:16:53] never played the game but love the concept

[02:16:55] of this show one episode in

[02:16:57] and it's been a fun ride

[02:16:59] why people aren't

[02:17:01] binging as fast as we did

[02:17:03] why did Vault 33 just let them in

[02:17:05] without at least sending a rep

[02:17:07] to their vault to check things out

[02:17:09] did they not have previous visits

[02:17:11] to know each other's status

[02:17:15] I kind of agree with that to be honest

[02:17:17] well I think we kind of got the

[02:17:19] explanation for that is that

[02:17:21] all the leaders were 31

[02:17:23] so that they were

[02:17:25] but 32 and 33 had been

[02:17:27] in contact at least to some degree

[02:17:29] so how come they didn't

[02:17:31] say hey things are going bad

[02:17:33] here we're all killing ourselves or whatever

[02:17:35] that's a good point

[02:17:37] yeah I think they kind of hand