6: "Children" & "Napkins" (S3E5&6) + Europe

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast. I'm Lucy. And I'm Peter. And this is Let It Rip

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Bear Cast, Episode 5. This episode we're covering the Bear, Season 3, Episode 5, Children,

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and Episode 6, Napkins. And Lucy, have you worked out what the connection between the

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: two is? No, tell me. Well I think that this is, I think children and napkins are sort

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: of like lions and gazelles. Oh, I see. We want a world where there are children and

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: we want a world where there are napkins. Okay, because? Well, someone needs to give

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: us sponge baths when we're old. But the children, without the napkins, the children

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: would get impossibly sticky. True. Without the napkins, we don't have any way to unstick them.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, without children there would be no purpose for the napkins. Right. So is that

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the end of the podcast then? We've sorted it? Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. There's a beautiful

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: harmony between children and napkins. You know we've left our listeners waiting two weeks

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: for that nugget of wisdom. I know. And it wasn't even, it wasn't even neatly formed

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: in any way. I lost track of it. I lost hold of it. You lost hold of the metaphors halfway

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: through. Oh no, they weren't even metaphors. It was just literally what you think. It was

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: just a dumb thought. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, thank you for that. Welcome to our podcast.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to our podcast. We were not here last week. No, no we were not. We were

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: somewhere in Eastern Europe and we still are. We are. We're somewhere different

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: in Eastern Europe. We have been traveling primarily for a family wedding, but we've

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: been sneaking in some bits and pieces of our own travel here. So since you last heard us,

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we have been in Slovakia. Yep. We have been in Austria. Yep. We've been in the Czech Republic

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and where are we now, Peter? Poland. Yay. So it's been a busy time. It has been a busy time and

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that might come across in the quality and cohesion of this recording. I think that is

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: probably accurate. How have you been feeling about all the travels we've been doing? What

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: have you been eating? What's the best thing you ate in the last week? We've eaten a lot

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: of dumplings. Oh my god, so many dumplings. Okay, two separate questions. What was the best

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: dumpling you ate and also what was the best thing you ate? Let's deal with dumplings first.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Good point. Yeah. So I think the best dumpling that I have eaten on this trip was

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: your choice of pierogi last night. Oh yeah. We went to Mr. Vincent in Krakow. Yep. And

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: you had a chanterelle mushroom pierogi. With some sour cream and fried onions. And it was really,

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: really good. It was magnificent. Yeah. Very, very good. I did think yours were good too,

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: though. You went for apricot and duck. I did. And you know what? I really enjoyed those two,

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: but I thought the freshness of the mushrooms just, I felt like they'd done a really good

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: job with those. I don't think they peeled them. We are no stranger to pierogi. When we lived

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: in Saskatoon, there was a large Ukrainian diaspora and one of the features of Saskatoon,

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: should you ever visit, is Baba's Pierogi, which is a pierogi shack, which actually does drive

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: through. Reputedly, maybe the only one. Reputedly, the only drive-through pierogi shack that

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: we know of. How has it been having them in their kind of homeland countries? I thought

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: the ones that we had here, and they're not the only ones we've had on this trip,

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but I thought the ones that we had here in Poland were lighter. There was a thinner dough.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought they went down really easy. I thought so. Prior to that, we'd had a couple of rounds

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: in Slovakia. I mean, I'm not kidding listeners. We have eaten a lot of dumplings over the past

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: week and the ones in Slovakia were very nice. They were focused around kind of sheep cheese,

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: which is a bit of a specialty there. Very tasty, but I think Mr Vincent had the edge.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: They were very fresh, very good. Aside from dumplings, what is the best thing you've eaten

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: in the last week? I had a really good breakfast in Bratislava. Oh yeah. It was a mix of cheeses

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and salad and eggs. Topical for this podcast because the venue we went to was called,

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_00]: we think it's pronounced Fach, but you might pronounce it Fack. Or Fatch. Who's to say?

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It was great. They're a juice bar that also do breakfast. I was still toiling with a bit of

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: a cold, so I had a kind of carrot ginger juice situation that perked me right up. It was great.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Dinner tonight? Surely good. Yeah. I was going to talk about dinner tonight

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: as maybe one of my highlights. We spent the afternoon in the Jewish quarter of Krakow and

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: went to Humsa. Humsa is the former First Minister of Scotland. It's been a long trip, lads.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Humsa was very delicious. It was Israeli cuisine, I think. We had all sorts of labneh,

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: pita breads, hummus, unsurprisingly, falafels and an absolute monster of a pastrami sandwich.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: We still have half of it in the fridge. Yeah, we've had a lot of dill pickles as well.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there's been a lot of pickles. I like a dill pickle.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: As is famously chronicled on this podcast, I do not.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a second recording of my views on dill.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, it really is. We need to talk about a different herb.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: We do need to talk about a different herb. I was going to give a quick shout out to

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the wedding food because the wedding was in the Czech Republic. And wedding food in

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever country you're from, if you go to a lot of weddings, the wedding food tends to

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: follow a certain pattern. But it was really nice to be somewhere new. And I'm sure if

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: someone from the Czech Republic had gone to that wedding, they might have been like,

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, this is very standard. But I thought the food was really delicious. I had a mushroom

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: risotto and beetroot carpaccio and yeah, I really enjoyed it.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what was really good in my meal? Oh my God, I just really... Yeah, tell. Okay.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So I had beef with a dumpling and they serve it with quite a lot of gravy. But distinctively,

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: what they incorporate into the gravy is dill pickle. And it was really good.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really glad. Yeah, I like that little kind of

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: sour element in the gravy. It was really pleasant. Wonderful.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks again, dill pickles. Well, after our feast tonight, we then went to

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: a local ice cream place. We are full of beer, ice cream and hummus, which I don't know if that's

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the best combo to be podcasting on, but let's see how we go. It might be a bit sleepy, this

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: podcast. On that note, we don't have a cooking segment for you, alas, but we will be talking

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: in depth about the two episodes of The Bear that we've been able to watch. Yeah.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: In general, what did we think of children and napkins?

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So coming back to the endless debate, the one that has people fighting in the streets,

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: is The Bear a comedy? Well, I would have said children was about 80% comedy.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say it was a pretty full-on comedy episode. Yeah.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Now, slight qualifier. If I remember correctly, it does open on a pretty solid

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: note. We have sugar, I think in a church, contemplating presumably mortality. It felt

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like mortality, but also outpending birth. But after that fairly kind of solemn opening,

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: we've got a lot of comedy. And I think just to underline that point, we have a new fac

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: played by John Cena. A fresh-faced fac. A fresh-faced fac. Fresh-faced fac. Yeah,

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a really good point about the comedy element. One of the things about

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: sugar in the church that I found most interesting is I think last week we had a flash forward.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Karmie's thinking about a lot of things when he's stressing in the restaurant

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: in one of the previous episodes we watched. And one of the shots is sugar in the church.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I assumed we were seeing sugar in the past after Mikey's death,

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: a time when Karmie hadn't been there. But it's either very closely mirrored by the shot or

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: is in fact flash forward. That's a very interesting question. Maybe we will know by

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the end of the season. Yeah. So comedy, John Cena, how do we feel about Cena fac?

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you and I are well-known John Cena fans. I mean, we love The Fast and the Furious films.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. We're also big fans of Peacemaker. Yep. Great in the Suicide Squad playing the same part.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. Yep. And for the avoidance of doubt listeners, all of you, many of you may

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: be screaming right now, but he's also a professional wrestler. And that is something

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: is a fact we are aware of. So where others might at this point acknowledge that part of his career,

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: that is literally all we're going to do. Yes. Because we have nothing useful to say on the

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: subject and we're very sorry about that. Just in case he's listening. But he is an extremely

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: funny man. He is an extremely funny man. But here's the thing in the discourse,

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_00]: because you know I like to dip into the discourse. Discourse away? Is there, A,

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is there too much fac this season? B, was this cameo necessary?

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I suppose this brings us round to that. Is it a comedy? Because

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: if the purpose of the show is to make us laugh, sure. Why not? If the purpose of the show

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: is to explore the sacrifices that creative chefs make in pursuit of their art, then no.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: John Cena buffing the floors contributes to that in no way that I can identify.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Unless next season or later this season we get an episode just called Duck, which is all about

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Sammy Fack going out to buy that duck. Or kill it. Or kill it. It seemed like he was

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: to say, yeah, absolutely. I think the discourse might have a good point here. The show dips away

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: to scenes of the Fack family more often I think when they want to lift the tension a little bit.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But in this case I don't feel there was a huge amount of tension in this episode to lift.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the weird thing is while there are tons of these little comedy moments,

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're re-watching the episode listeners then look and there are so many, there's an

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: unusually high number of wee jokes happening all the way through this episode. But oddly

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the sort of inciting event for most of this episode is Chef Terry closing

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Ever or the Ever that exists in this universe. Yeah as far as we know Ever in Chicago is still

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: very much open. I'm amazed they got away with closing it in the show because surely

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that's going to be confusing. That does seem confusing. It does seem confusing, right?

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah you have Ever closing, you have Sid and Marcus having a really nice scene

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: where they're sharing banter about both having lost their mothers. Dead Mom Club.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Dead Mom Club. But the whole episode has a kind of jokey mood through most of it.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I would say so. I think once again Karmie stands out a little bit in that he just doesn't

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: seem to be on the same tonal wavelength as everyone else. Now I actually have a question

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: for you about that. The first time we see Karmie in this episode he is in the skip breaking down

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: the boxes. Yeah to be fair that did make me laugh a lot yeah. Now that was funny,

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that was funny for us. I'm sure the show was playing that for a laugh. I think so. I mean

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: it was one of his non-negotiables and it was a non-negotiable that made me laugh at the

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: time because it was in a lot of highfalutin ideas and then just can people please break

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: the boxes. Yeah and because I think Jeremy Allen White plays it completely straight in that scene.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He has to. You know he could have been John Cleese-ing it there. Oh no one wants to John

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Cleese anything anymore I don't like it. No, no, no, sadly not. Well let's talk a little

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: bit about so Sugar's anxious in the church as you mentioned. I think this is all about

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: impending parenthood. The things that she sees are flashes of fishes and Marcus's mum's

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: funeral so she's thinking about what she spoke about in her last episode which is how do you

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: not pass on the fucked up bits of you to your child and that cuts quite nicely into

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Marcus and Sid and his mum's house with a brief interlude for Carmien his boxes.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of get some resolution to Marcus and Sid, he apologises for making it weird. I don't

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: think that's entirely off the table yet though and I did I loved the membership of the dead

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: club chat they meet in the dankest church basement possible and Sid takes minutes at

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: the meetings. I agree with that. Yeah and there's some gentle ribbing between the two of them.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Marcus is sad that his mum didn't get to try the food and Sid bats back at him I can just

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: tell which is what he says to her earlier about how her I think it's something to do

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: with her dad or her mum and he says something like I can just tell so they're in a good

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00]: place it's a nice scene between the two of them and I always I like a bit of levity around

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: death and loss and bereavement I think it's one of the most human ways to deal with it

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: so I valued that scene a lot. I think not long after that we have said then having some

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: having a similar kind of chat with with Carmie where she's criticising his food and

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: explaining that he's not quite found the right recipe and again there's this very

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: naturalistic kind of ribbing coming from Sid again in that scene as well maybe this is a

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: quickie episode maybe that's what I was trying to find my way to. Yeah that would make sense

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: well the stuff with the computer is all very comedic yeah I think yeah absolutely and that's

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting isn't it because they're coming back to something that we've seen in previous

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: episodes which is the restaurants having a hard time breaking even and the threat of ever

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: closing ups the stakes substantially here but alongside that you've then got Tina coming in

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: with the news from the farmers market that things are really quite shit there

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and that keeps that other tension of human connection versus business. Yeah I think

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe an odd decision in children which in many ways is quite a fun wee episode on its own

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think an odd decision from a writing point of view is

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: it may be that the show is telling us the same thing that it's told us in previous episodes

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but this time doing it funny. Yes there was there was an instance in this episode where

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I felt that we were being hit across the head with something which was the scene with Marcus

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and Sugar where in the episode Violet which I know you were quite hard on when we watched it

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: had this thing of Marcus seeing the flower having the kind of poignant thoughts and going

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and doing the work and starting to design it but in that scene with Sugar he kind of just

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: explains what we'd already intimated from it all. All we really get from that is kind of

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: admittedly I did laugh when we found out that Pete likes flowers and you know

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: the only person as we can establish from this episode who's nice to Pete is the computer

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but I did find that scene with Marcus and Sugar in my episode I was a bit like if I

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't so in love with the show I would be pickier about this. Yeah yeah I think that's

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: right so maybe one of the conclusions that you and I are coming to here is maybe there's a

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: slight difficulty with pacing at this point in the season. Yes I think so yeah and I think

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: with Carmie and Sid there's a lovely moment where she's kind of encouraging him to be in the moment

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you know she's talking about his experience ever and she says did you know when you were there

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: that it was special and he says I was always too busy to know all the time and she says

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: at least you've got to be part of it and I think what she's maybe saying is that he's

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: not realizing that what he's in right now is special too and she's sort of calling him

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: out for that lack of being there in the moment and that resonated with me. I'm not very

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: good at being in the moment I think so that idea of when you were somewhere did you know it was

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: as good as it was or the happiest you would be. Yeah I doubt many people have ever known that.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a moment of vulnerability with Carmie as well with Ibra.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that was a nice moment actually it often frustrates me in shows where you have the

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: genius they're brilliant at a job and then you only ever see them being bad at it

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but in that moment Carmie is quite is kind of thoughtful and sensitive and a little bit open

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: with Ibra him as well you know he asks him if he's if he's fucking it up or not.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I like that wee moment there. Yeah did Ibra willfully misunderstand him when he was

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: like no I just dropped it or was he trying to just calm down? It's quite open to interpretation

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think. Yeah I think it probably is I think we are showing an Ibra him who is

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: very literal all the time. Yes. So maybe he didn't understand him I don't know. It's hard to say.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah we get a recurring character from Forks in this episode. Indeed. Richie's wee pal

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: she's nice do we think she's going to come and work at the Bear? I could see them dating.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think I could see them dating more quickly than I could see her working at the Bear

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: unless she replaced Richie because I think within the context of the show I think if the

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: restaurant cast someone who knew how to do Richie's job better than Richie then his place in the

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: story would kind of get lost a little bit. Oh yeah that hadn't really crossed my mind.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think she's going to necessarily well maybe she will. I'm all for them dating.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Now having identified this character can either of us remember what she is called?

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Literally none of us. Right okay. None of us being two people. Okay put on the lift music

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: okay.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Sarah Ramos who plays Jessica. Jessica there we go. That was that was beautiful.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed Richie and Jessica you can see that they've kept in touch over the months that to

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: me is very nice. There was an interesting hiccup in that scene that is more poignant I think than

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe it's meant to be in that Richie's wedding ring disappeared and reappeared

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: so I don't know which the fuck up was having it in or not having it in so yeah because we saw

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: him take it off in the last episode. Yeah we did. I guess having it in. I don't know it's

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: magic. Yeah well we'll just have to keep an eye out in the next episode and see where it is.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Magic. I've kind of taken us off the points way of doing things what's your next point?

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been just kind of rambling here. Honestly that's where I was with this episode as well

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really have a list of points in my usual way to the extent I have them I would say

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: John Cena was a point and this is a comedy episode another point in favour of the

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: beer is just a workplace comedy like The Office. Well let's talk facts, facts of life.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Facts or facts? Facts facts.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So we learned some facts about facts. We learned the hierarchy of best friends

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Carmy is facts number one best friend Ted is not number four because... Go on.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you not remember? Oh cardboard box. Yes. Yeah. He gave him claustrophobia.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: How and of course Sammy is wreaking revenge because Ted stole his SD cards. One of the lines

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: that made both of us laugh the most was when Richie intervenes and asks if it was megs or

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: gigs finds out it's gigs and it's like that's fucked up man. It's fucked up. So we see that

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Sammy is giving Ted shit for sealing his SD cards and that he is haunting him with

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: prospect of revenge at a later date. Classic sibling tactic is it not? It felt very real.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we see Sammy just kind of join the group around the bar while the computer is there

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: drinking a coffee. A very funny introduction to IO Ed Beery's character Sid in that moment

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and I kind of felt that everyone in this episode was getting a bit of a kick out of

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: John Cena there. There was much more playfulness in some of the scenes.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah no I think that's right. And I guess the other thing to talk about in this episode is

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe Uncle Jimmy. Go on. Well he brings the computer in, he's investing literally and

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: figuratively, he cares more, he is asking questions about what's happening, he wants

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: succeed and thrive. But we also see different sides to him. We see him very vulnerable in

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: a way with Sid. He really wants her to sign the jockey sign, suggest that she doesn't call him

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Mr Kalinowski. Talks about the guilt he feels about the Burzato kids and wishes he'd done

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: more to help them all out. But we also see him I think rightly take Carmita task for

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: being a bit of a dick. He does it in a very cool way, tells him that he has money in the game,

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: if the restaurant was doing that well they wouldn't need the computer and that he told

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Carmita to be the guy not an asshole. And all of that I think is quite right. Yeah I mean

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: you're an Uncle Jimmy fan aren't you? I think Oliver Platt is a bit of an MVP. I have this

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: theory that Uncle Jimmy's only there so much because he likes the coffee machine because

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: every time you see him he has a little coffee. And I did laugh when they were talking about

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: black napkins which is obviously a ridiculous expense and he's like well I like to wear a lot

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: of black. So I do like that he's not completely blameless in this situation,

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: like he has some idiosyncrasies too. Yeah he's not just the sort of asshole turning up and

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: telling them to be more responsible. He's more balanced than that. No and one of the twists

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: for me in season one was that although we have all these things about Uncle Jimmy being

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: gangster and being almost a mob guy, we actually don't really see that much of him. He's clearly

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: got dodgy dealings but I don't think he would ever actually hurt the Burzato kids. No I totally

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_02]: agree. Now I am surprised not to have heard about another point from you over the course

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: of this episode. Hit me. I really thought you were going to have a point about the music.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you know I don't? You don't know the future. I have other points. All right.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really interested to hear it. Before I do that I just want to say we finished this episode

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: with Carmie finding a box of his mother's things to the needle drop of the Rolling

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Stone's mixed emotions. Which is music. Which is music. Boom. I have a list of needle drops

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: for both episodes. Go on. This one begins with a very kind of weird dream little one

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: which is from the 1955 movie The Night of the Hunter in which a self-proclaimed preacher

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_00]: marries a gullible widow whose young children are reluctant to tell him where their real dad

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: hid the ten thousand dollars he'd stolen in a robbery. I don't know what that tells us.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You had some interesting descriptive words for that music. Did I? Yes you said it was like

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: a weird 1960s Star Trek. Oh yeah it sounded like music from a Star Trek episode initially.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. That was for it to be. I don't know why. Then we had Purple Heather by Van Morrison.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes a song that goes by a number of names. It's a traditional Irish Scottish folk song.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. You or I would know it as Welldment in Time. Yes. Although some people also know

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: as Will You Go Lassie Go. Yep. And yeah that's a really old song. The lyrics go all the way back

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: to sometime between 1774 and 1810 when they're written down by a Scottish poet called Robert

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Tannahill. I had a Tannahill bursary once. Did you? Yeah not from him he was like well

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: dead by that point but yeah. Yeah you're not that old. Yeah I'm not that old. But yeah

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that's not the only unusual cover that I think that we see in this episode is it?

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Could you sing Welldment in Time if you had a gun to your head? Parts of it. Go for it.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Hit me up. Go together and the Wild Mountain Time goes among the blooming heather

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's obviously a very loose interpretation of that by Van Morrison but I liked it actually.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it took us a long time to work out what it was. I feel like Van Morrison's gone off the

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: deep end recently though hasn't he? Maybe. Or he's dead. It's one or the other.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. I hope he's not one of our three listeners. Some of you know the answers.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Others be in suspense. Is he dead or mad? He alive. Okay so first of it is he mad?

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh conspiracy theorist. Oh there you go. Oh Van. But before or after he covered Wild Mountain Time?

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to know the answer so I'm not going to look it up. Another unusual cover? Yep.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Eddie Vedder. Yeah. Covering the English beats Save It For Later. I think we've had this

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: in this season already or there's been an Eddie Vedder cover of something maybe in episode

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: because I remember we discussed him a little bit but I really liked that cover personally.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it too actually. I thought it was pretty cool. I thought it was very good.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And Eddie Vedder lead singer of Pearl? Well done. Thanks.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that hopefully what people are coming back for here is how authoritative the

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: information that we share. Absolutely, particularly when it's music. My other music notes are

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: all about the next episode. So obviously mixed emotions we mentioned. Is there anything else

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you want to talk about for children? Well the review? Yes, yes. So another little comedy moment.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Richie with a photographer seeing if he can work out whether they've had a good

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: review or not. And it's funny because I think this season in theory is about

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it's hard to keep a restaurant open. But we've had quite a few episodes that are all working

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: towards getting a review. It's almost like season two was trying to get to opening night

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and season three feels like trying to get to this review at times.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah I think that's really important. I think as well that it was fun to see the

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: computer who did not really look at all like anything I thought the computer would look like.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought the computer would be like a very square and early game. Well yeah not a guy

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: wearing a baseball cap but I also loved how you played it. Oh haha yeah I know the computer

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: would look like a computer. I enjoyed the computer. I like that he's nice to Pete and

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: he coached Mikey's little league. But I also like that there's no way they're firing Marcus.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I also laughed that the beef stand is making money but they shouldn't be making their own

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: ketchup because I have very strong feelings about ketchup. You are a conservative ketchup consumer.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Hines or die. Yeah Hines or die. You can quote me on that. When Ibra dropped the

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: rolls on the floor I was like well at least we know the floor is super clean.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We have seen that happen and that you know takes a lot for me to be like that's

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_00]: fine. I also think that Karmie's notebooks are beautiful. They are beautiful. I have to do a

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: bit of suspension of disbelief with them to accept that Karmie has time to do all those

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: beautiful drawings. Yeah but they are very beautiful. They're very beautiful.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I am feeling very attached to that because I like to keep a travel journal scrapbook

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_00]: so I think that having that kind of thing around is actually just really lovely.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. You should sketch on it. I'm not very good at drawing. Everything looks kind of bad.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You're actually better at drawing than I am so you could maybe illustrate it for me if I tell

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: you what to draw. Could you draw a pierogi? I mean it's essentially a semicircle. Yeah draw

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: a circle rub out half of it. Eat half. Would that have enhanced the comedy of children

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: if they opened up the notebooks and Karmie's drawings were really bad?

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah the drawings were shit. It was just like sad. All with crayon.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Sugar's like he would never show me that. I also loved when Karmie asked did you call mom?

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Sugar says did you call Claire? Yeah. Do you want to fight about that? And we do see

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Sugar digging a call from her mum. I did laugh as well when Karmie's like

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm an itch of sketch. I'm like I feel like I'm an itch of sketch. Go away!

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: What did he mean by that? Like he's not filled in. He's like you know you could shake him and

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: he wouldn't be there. Yeah I figured it was the shaking thing. Yeah like it's a thinly drawn

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: line that then... Did they have itch sketches when you were a child or was it just like a

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: hoop and a stick? No itch sketches were our only ways of rendering images on screens.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh right okay yeah I forgot yeah oops. All right shall we talk about what I'm assuming

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: was your favourite of the two? Yeah yeah I mean it was. Okay let's get into it because we've had

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: listener feedback that was excited that you got this episode. Well it's Tina's Forks isn't it?

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Tina's Forks tell me about it. So it's a big flashback episode how do we know it's a

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: flashback episode through the tried and tested method of haircuts.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep yep. Because you and I kind of went back and forth for the first couple of minutes

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: going is this a flashback how far back has it gone? But at the back of our minds we knew because

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Tina had a slightly different haircut. Yes she did have a slightly different haircut.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess a different hair cut would have made it even clearer. Yes. Yeah but yeah this is a

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: really this is another case where the bear takes a minute to spend time with one of

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the characters. I don't want to say secondary characters but one of the characters who are

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: ensemble yeah one of the ensemble characters and just focus on them on their own. I think I saw

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe not IMDB this might be the first episode that doesn't have Karmie in it.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That is from IMDB because I've got an IMDB down here but yeah it's the first episode

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: of the bear without Karmie. Yeah we do eventually see some of the other members

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: of the ensemble but the vast majority of the episode is just Karmie and some characters

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that we've not met before. Do you mean Tina? I do mean Tina because we have established very

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: specifically that there's no Karmie. No and I think this did that really nice thing where

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: having watched that episode I now see season one in a slightly different light and I

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: have a different feel for it. I had assumed Tina had been there since forever. Yeah but I think

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the impression is well no we have a decent idea about the bear timeline here don't we?

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah because we know it's within the last 10 years I would say. And how do we know that?

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we see a scene that we saw in the first episode of Karmie sending a photo text

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: photo text. A photo text? What year am I from? You've used the Etch A Sketch now!

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a long day and I've had one beer. Describe this photo text technology to me.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Were you trying to say picture message? Yes I was trying to say picture message. Even that is a

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 of those in your package every month. Did you ask your mum before you sent that?

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: No. You know who I texted it to though? Who? Your mum.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know how to receive MMS.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes she does. Right the photo what Karmie sent on his telephone to Mikey and we saw in the

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: episode we see in quite a neat little trick that this was actually not when Tina was working at

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: the beer because we just watched that scene in episode one and thought oh well there we go.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But now thinking about it I'm like oh she wasn't wearing her uniform why would it have been?

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah that was nice I liked that. And that establishes for us that this is when Karmie is

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: at Noma? Yeah it's Noma or French Laundry but I think it's Noma. I remember we were mistaken

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: at some point about which shots were the French Laundry. And that's interesting actually now

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: you say that because in Fishes he's come back from Noma so Fishes can't be that long after

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: this but the Mikey we see is quite different. Yeah and I think this is probably the thing

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: that we're most interested in talking about that isn't about Tina in this episode. Yeah let's

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about the Bernthal of it all. The Bernthal of it all yeah still just stealing scenes and I

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: think our impression was that this is Mikey kind of at his best. This is the Mikey that

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Karmie don't want to impress. It cemented for me that he's off his tits in Fishes

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: because that episode is so manic and I think you and I have had discussions before about

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: whether or not he's high in that episode but I think seeing him here compared to Fishes

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: there is no doubt in my mind that he is very unwell during that episode. Yeah whereas here he's

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: really charismatic, he's empathetic. He's like a young guy. Yeah yeah he looks fresh, he's

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: open and honest as well. You know he's great in this episode and he really does come in as

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: like a complete hero after what is for a lot of it quite a sad episode and in a way

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: in saying that I kind of want to acknowledge that although I'm calling it Tina's Forks

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's an episode with lovely pieces of acting telling us an uplifting story about a

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: member of the ensemble for most of its runtime. It's really sad and it's downbeat which Forks

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: isn't. But you know what I liked about it? What? Was when we were first introduced to Tina

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: in season one she's like the bitchy older lady who wants to gatekeep and make Sid's life

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: difficult. She pretends she can't speak English and there's an old trope there of like mean older

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: lady who hates younger people or mean elder who hates the up-and-coming generation and learns to

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: love and understand them and in her conversation with Mikey they talk about these kids that

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: she's been I mean we see some pretty terrible examples of basically Millennials in this episode.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Millennials do not come off well. No one is outwardly mean to Tina. Nobody is nasty or laughs

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: at her but they're all very insincere and almost pitying towards her which in a way is worse.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But Tina when she talks to Mikey she says when I'm applying for all these jobs it's all kids

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: right? They look like kids and Mikey says dude is that not the fucking worst and Tina says yeah

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_00]: then she says it's also beautiful and Mikey's surprised by that and she says she seems like

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: they seem hungry and maybe I lost that in myself. And I think what Sid has brought out in Tina

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: in the last couple of seasons is her hunger to be better and to improve her skills and to

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: grow in confidence and I think that's actually a really beautiful thing. Yeah and I think a

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: difference there now that you make that point this hadn't occurred to me before

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: is the resolution at the end of Napkins is just that Tina gets something. Yeah. Because all

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: through this episode it's not her dream job no she just wants anything because it's that pride

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that she doesn't want to be living off of her partner's wage. She wants to be productive

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's enough in that episode that she finds a thing that that is happy

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's a totally different thing when largely Sid inspires her and she's she wants something.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And we see that in children actually we see she gets stuff from the farmer's market and

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: starts experimenting with ways of making it and Sid shows her a couple of tactics of how to

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_00]: like put sauce on a plate and put it together and she goes on says to Mikey she was thinking

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_00]: it would be real easy to get angry at them the kids but she's also like I would give anything

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to be one of them motherfuckers. She's jealous as fuck and I kind of love that. Yeah and I think

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I noticed something I found there was an interesting combination of traits in

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Tina in this episode and I think it was it's the same traits that we see come up all the

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: time with Tina which is on the one hand she has this sort of wonderful determination you

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: almost never see her giving up or breaking down at any point in the show and you almost

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: never see her doing that in this episode it's only at that last moment just as she's about

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to go into the bear or not the bear the beef at that point that she breaks down so she's got

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: this kind of grit and this determination at the same time feels like that's supported by

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: her pride you know she's not willing to admit to her partner initially that she's lost her job

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: she's not willing to admit to all the people that are rejecting her all through this episode

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that you know how hurt she is or how hurt she is by it until she does. And that little derpy

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: looking millennial kid's like oh wow which did make me laugh. Yeah that was probably

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: that was one of the few moments of comedy in this episode yeah you get a tiny little

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: bit of fact in there as well but yeah that was that was our I think that was the the main lull

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: in that episode for both of us. Yeah so what we find out about Tina is she was working

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_00]: for HR and payroll in a large candy manufacturer she loses her job in a kind of looks like

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: spat of redundancies because there's other people in the room with her she's married

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I we don't know if she's still married or not no we don't know we don't I assume so

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: she's her son is definitely still around in season one I hope she's still married

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: they seem happy. There's nothing there's nothing in the show at the moment to suggest

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: after Tina started working at the beef that life took a turn for the worse. Do you want to know a

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_00]: fun fact? Every moment of the day every waking second her husband is played by her real-life

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: husband oh yeah that's nice David Zayas he's a good looking dude he is a good looking dude

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean so she's a good looking lady so yeah Liza colon Zayas his real-life husband

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: so that's good and it was that need that point you were making you know that she's she's working

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: in HR and payroll but you know because this is the bear of course it's a factory the

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that makes food I know she I'm sure she goes for at least one other job at another

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the tortilla factory yeah you know where they just fuck her over for not having a BA

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I know this is very indicative of like what is happening with jobs and stuff now like we see

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_00]: with you know apply on linkedin and the story I what I like just the story isn't it but like

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and Tina was too stupid and old to use LinkedIn like she's doing it she's doing all the stuff

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_00]: but things are just moving too quickly and the economy is terrible yeah and I liked that

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: we didn't we weren't left with the impression that she was useless or unable to do things it

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: was that the system in which she's operating is unfair and not fit for purpose yeah and

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a virtue of Mikey in this case that he has no system yeah why the fuck would I want to see

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_00]: your CV I've been talking to you haven't I it was so nice to see the old beef yeah and

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the show wanted us to enjoy that little moment of nostalgia because we have

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_00]: another music cue there Beastie Boys Sabotage not a JJ Abrams Star Trek film

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: no he always loves a bit of sabotage but yeah it was very very much season one of the beef and

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved it so Chichi is there the character of Chichi who we know is the real Chicago beef man

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: yep Christopher Zaccaro yeah Christopher Zaccaro I had a horrible moment where I thought we're

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_00]: not going to get Bernthal we're just going to get the front of the store like because I was

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: like this is leading up to a Mikey and Tina scene and then I was like oh maybe we won't get

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I know what you mean you set up for me she's going to fade out to credits yeah or something

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_00]: like that but we see Richie being pleasant to Tina in a very old school Richie way I felt the

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_00]: scene with Richie shooting the shit with Chichi and the other guys felt really real I wouldn't

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: be surprised if it wasn't at all scripted and they were just playing around Tina asks about

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: the sandwich she's interested in the food like I thought that was a really nice touch and

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Richie is also kind to her he gives her a black coffee for free and then she gets a free sandwich

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: as well so like it's the first kind thing that has happened to her in a long time

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and you can see that makes a lot of difference to her it means a lot yeah we see Tina go

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: back to eat her sandwich and in the background not in focus originally is Mikey talking to

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Fac who's trying to fix one of the gaming machines or is playing on the gaming machine

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and when Tina starts sobbing and we cut to the game machine saying all time low and then we see

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: three men faced with the most horrifying sight in the world which is a woman crying

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and the awkwardness of the three of them is so good so well rendered nobody wants to deal

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: with it no one is equipped no one is equipped no one seems to be equipped she can't be crying

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: here go tell her she can't be crying in here

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: but Mikey Marzato is a man equipped yeah yeah and he's great he's really great yeah and it was

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_02]: nice to see that that call back to episode one of this season see them tying it all together

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah I actually downloaded the the whole monologue well duologue that the two of them

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just so great there's stuff like they took they flashed back to the toilet

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that kept breaking in season one it's possessed it's like equal parts depressing and disgusting

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_00]: like yeah it is and in this conversation we actually like the the beef is in trouble like

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_00]: this is bad like Mikey is I think quite bad at running this business yeah I think Mikey knows

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I think Mikey knows like the general vibe just sucks on a macro level we don't have

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_00]: people working here the people here are just shitty towards each other can't remember the last

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_00]: time I went to bed but we also see his pride in carmy and his envy of him someone who knows

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly what it is in this world that they want to do like fucking knows it and they're

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_00]: really fucking good at it and then they start talking about dreams we find out a bit more

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: about old man barzato who opened the beef and ran it into the ground left a stack of

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of the family for so long and weirdly that's kind of what Mikey does to carmy yeah but no

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_00]: he leaves him money yeah he does but without telling him I thought Mikey's story about his

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_00]: school trip was really interesting as well again it kind of turns it on its head it's not

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_00]: people it's not that he was like one day I'll be one of those people you know as Tina

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_00]: says so it was inspiring and he's like no it was fucking depressing that shit ain't happening

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_00]: to me you know I don't want to do this I don't have time to follow a dream and I think I don't

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_00]: know it's just a really beautiful moment between the two of them it seems trite for us to be

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_00]: even be like talking about it because it's just it speaks for itself in so many ways

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and I love Tina says you know I don't need to be inspired I don't need to be impassioned

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to make magic I don't need to save the world I just want to feed my kid

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and then we see her take out her beef sandwich and does her classic move

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Tina really really enjoying a piece of food yeah yeah yeah absolutely well the guys are

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_00]: shouting just fucking use an indoor voice cousin fuck you cousin like it's so good and

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it makes sense of a lot to me there's a really touching scene in season one or two where

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_00]: she's talking to carmy and she talks about how much she loved Mikey and my thinking was oh

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_00]: she knew him from when he was little and you know it's been this thing but no he was just

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: wonderful to her at a moment when the world wasn't and yeah her loyalty to him was earned

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_00]: purely well not purely but I would guess primarily through that IMDB threw up a couple

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_00]: of interesting facts for this episode go on one was that in an earlier episode Tina and

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: carmy are talking about his brother Mikey Tina mentioned that at one point Mikey had

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_00]: stopped ordering napkins it makes the title napkins all the more symbolic when Mikey approached

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Tina to have a conversation she was crying in his restaurant he did so under the guise

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_00]: of filling the napkins yeah if we're into IMDB okay this was the directorial debut of Io

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Edeberri that's kind of cool that's fun right and there are others we've all covered Chi Chi

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_00]: David Zayas and the lack of carmy do you have anything else to add to our kind of just

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_00]: glowing review of this episode I do know do you want some needle drops bring it forth

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_00]: get down on it the cool in the gang sabotage by the Beastie Boys yep and then at the end

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: we've got got this happy feeling by ghetto brothers and you looked up an unsubstantiated

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: article about the ghetto brothers yes we're going to have to notify someone at wikipedia

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: about that there are there are some unsourced pieces of information is an article which

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_02]: you believe needs work yes citation needed citation needed indeed did you know that

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: anyone can edit wikipedia I did not know that anyone yes I did know that and that

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you if you did want to change it you in fact could I think it was pointing towards

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: ghetto brothers being a really important band for the Latino community yeah which is cool

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah definitely so I like that a lot because we also found out in this episode

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that Tina's Puerto Rican yeah all right that is children and napkins we'll take a break

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_00]: there is more to come so stay with us all right here we are with our listener feedback

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_00]: first up we have a call from our good friend Steve Brown

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_04]: live Steve episodes five and six that I'm watching three or four now and gosh

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm kind of glad I did live Steve episode three doors because man these doors a lot

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_04]: there were a lot of mics dropping all right here we go for episodes five and six okay this

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_04]: is very some very tense music playing with sugar in the church here oh a little more

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_04]: of it the dead mom club but again I'm there too hey who's this that closed their restaurant

[00:50:53] I don't is this someone supposed to know okay so Chef Jerry was one of the chefs that he

[00:51:02] had that works economically and it doesn't make sense to me I'm still unclear

[00:51:06] their restaurants they do that I had this positive first I has just seen I've been in

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_00]: this show before am I missing something no I'm no confused okay I remember the first time I

[00:51:18] ever learned about chargers was years ago and I never heard clue what charger was

[00:51:23] iridescent so I don't know there's so much about the show apparently it confuses me

[00:51:28] have I said that before okay so now they need to produce a dish that was reviewed but since

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_04]: they only have a menu every day they can't duck what you're just now figuring out that Carmen

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_04]: is high strung this conversation with him and Cindy about Carmen yeah okay so Carmen ends

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: episode five ends with Carmen looking in a box of memories of his brother and now we go

[00:51:53] to episode six so we need to see a little bit of Tina's life now outside of the uh the

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_04]: restaurant oh she's getting fired I know what that's like oh and she's gonna find out that

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a lot different trying to find a job nowadays than it was years ago you gotta have

[00:52:10] your LinkedIn and all that kind of stuff oh she's waking up later each day this is this

[00:52:14] is gonna be tough for her I'm sure but man this is a rough sequence watching her just

[00:52:19] riding the bus looking for a job can't find anything we're not seeing any of the restaurant

[00:52:24] though I get it this is uh this show this season has been different each episode a

[00:52:31] little bit different than the one before oh and you need to have a degree for leadership

[00:52:34] potential oh there's no job anymore they why is there an email that you're hiring

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that you're doing an interview and then that makes no sense and now there's just no job

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_04]: so the beef the sandwich shop is still running what how is it separate from the restaurant

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's richie working in the beef shop and richie doesn't recognize her at all

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: this is a past this is a prequel oh steve this is how tina oh steve i just can't believe i'm

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_04]: so clueless not realizing that's what this was here comes steve you know if we're gonna

[00:53:07] get john burntal again this season but there he is i've never seen john burntal like this

[00:53:12] this is great this soliloquy monologue about how crappy the company is this is a great conversation

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: between mikey and tina i love it so mikey just hired a new line cook all right global order

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: oh steve oh steve thanks for that you know we had the we had the advantage of having seen the

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: first couple of seasons and it still took us a couple of minutes going is this a flashback

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah oh steve never never change we love you i'm gonna go ahead with penny lennox who

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_00]: says about a minute into napkins i said peter must be thrilled to have a tina episode i was

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and what an episode it was this will likely earn liza kolonzi as another emmy nomination

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: i really hope so yeah really really next up we have sam lowe out of five and six

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: napkins wins for me every time you're absolutely right sam i would be ready is just as brilliant

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: behind the camera as she is in front of it lisa kolonzi's shines in this episode about being

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: betrayed by your job and struggling to find a place in the world her real life husband brings

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: a subtle intimacy to their on-screen time that warms my cold dead heart the chair on top is

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: a moving interaction with michael when he is presumably not high just just as we discussed we

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: hope so his character has always been tragic to me but this scene with tina truly broke my heart

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: he had maintained a sense of compassion and decency despite his rough childhood and this

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: scene really cemented for me the true loss of michael the loving charming kind person who would

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_02]: offer a stranger a shoulder and provide them a source of hope and belonging in his messy world

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: if they wanted it i can see why people on the bear struggle so profoundly losing any loved

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_02]: is heartbreaking losing someone who you know made the world a better place is utterly devastating

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: i wonder when if we will meet the brazoto father who abandoned his children to their

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_02]: severely mentally ill mother thank you for the podcast penny lennox convinced me to give

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the bear another try and used your awesome podcast as encouragement thanks penny yay i'm

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: now fully in love with the show and your pod i vote for molly cat to become an official

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: castor oh she would love that if she was not quite a long way away now i think i think she

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: would be right here she'd be all over it next episode i'm sure we're gonna hear from her

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: thanks sam thank you all right that's our show thanks for listening everyone

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[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: i think rich rima and jason are in the thick of it with cobra kai now and i've been absent

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_00]: from the cast of us for a week or two so there are some fun subs over there we're getting into

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: season three in woodbury and i'm really excited to be back i think next week i'll be back on

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_00]: no no no shout out to dragon cast in this week's notice i've not caught up in a while

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: no dragging we you know we love dragon we love those guys next episode next up the bear

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_02]: season three episode seven legacy and episode eight ice chips all right that's our show

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: thanks for listening let it rip sam lo