12: "One Lucky Day" (Squid Game S1E9)

[00:00:00] 음? 아!

[00:00:02] 어...

[00:00:04] 멍격스키벨!

[00:00:10] 네가 죽였어!

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[00:00:50] 안녕하세요 여러분, 안녕하세요, 제자리입니다.

[00:00:52] 저는 제자리입니다.

[00:00:54] 그리고 저는 제자리입니다.

[00:01:26] 네가 죽였어!

[00:01:28] 내가

[00:01:40] 네, 네, 네, 네.

[00:01:42] 제가 제자리에 대한 질문을 들여서,

[00:01:45] 마지막에.

[00:01:47] 그리고 네,

[00:01:47] 이 노래는

[00:01:57] 이 시점에 대해서는

[00:01:59] 뭐지?

[00:02:01] 다가가고 있는 거 아니야?

[00:02:03] 제가 이제

[00:02:11] 그리고 또 다른

[00:02:32] 그 다음에는 아주 좋은 아이디어로 만들어버렸어요

[00:02:35] 왜냐하면

[00:02:45] 근데 아직도

[00:02:59] 1룡기 day

[00:03:01] 쟤가 골고래?

[00:03:03] 우리 집을

[00:03:13] 아프다.

[00:03:15] 아프다.

[00:03:17] 아프다.

[00:03:19] 아프다.

[00:03:21] 아프다.

[00:03:23] 아프다.

[00:03:25] 아프다.

[00:03:27] 아프다.

[00:03:29] 아프다.

[00:03:31] 아프다.

[00:03:33] 빡

[00:03:55] 왈비 People like himself.

[00:03:57] he chose games he played as a child

[00:04:00] and participated in Gihun's group out of nostalgia.

[00:04:03] as they talk Ilnam Wajjars with Gihun

[00:04:06] on whether an unconscious man lying on the street corner

[00:04:10] will be helped before midnight.

[00:04:12] The man is saved and Ilnam dies shortly after.

[00:04:15] Gihun retrieves say box brother

[00:04:18] and has him looked after by sang Woo's mother

[00:04:21] and gives him a share of the prize money.

[00:04:26] and Gihun travels to the airport

[00:04:28] to reconnect with his daughter in Los Angeles.

[00:04:30] he sees the same game recruiter playing

[00:04:35] Doc G with another death spirit player

[00:04:37] but manages only to get the player's invitation card.

[00:04:41] He calls the cards number before boarding the plane

[00:04:43] demanding to know who was running the games.

[00:04:46] The person behind the phone number

[00:04:48] currently orders him to get on the plane

[00:04:50] but Gihun ends the call and returns to the terminal.

[00:04:55] and end of season one.

[00:04:59] Yes.

[00:05:02] So how was it to watch this last one again, David?

[00:05:10] I thought it was great.

[00:05:12] Terrific finale.

[00:05:14] Many shows have strong last episodes

[00:05:17] that we've been satisfied with the leftovers.

[00:05:20] I would say the soprano is better called Saul.

[00:05:23] Some do not.

[00:05:25] Game of Thrones.

[00:05:25] I'm looking at you.

[00:05:27] But this one was great.

[00:05:30] Action-packed, emotional, some satisfying answers

[00:05:33] and conclusions and one giant cliffhanger

[00:05:36] setting up a potential season two.

[00:05:38] Yeah.

[00:05:39] And I like that the series left us with some questions

[00:05:42] about the frontman and it was satisfying in a lot of ways

[00:05:46] but if there hadn't been a season two then this wouldn't be a very good.

[00:05:49] It wouldn't be as good of an ending.

[00:05:51] I would say.

[00:05:52] Yeah, although it could stand in my opinion.

[00:05:55] Just not quite as good.

[00:05:57] Yeah.

[00:05:58] But you're right.

[00:05:59] I think we're unfamiliar ground because Karen and I are not among the lost and

[00:06:04] deliberate answers group.

[00:06:06] And I think it's OK to leave some questions on answer.

[00:06:10] All right.

[00:06:10] We won't get into that.

[00:06:14] This is like a 14 year fight.

[00:06:18] But I'll say as I always, I think lost in a lot of ways is a totally amazing show

[00:06:22] and well with wow.

[00:06:23] Yep.

[00:06:24] Don't expect any answers.

[00:06:25] OK.

[00:06:26] So what about you Karen anything in general to say before we see the meeting of the

[00:06:32] series?

[00:06:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:06:34] Just that rewatching the show just reminded me all over again of how high quality it

[00:06:39] is like a lot of these amazing shows to come from Korea in recent years.

[00:06:47] It's just another one that's wonderful has some deeper meaning.

[00:06:52] The production values were I thought incredible had some surprises that I really liked the

[00:07:00] finale.

[00:07:01] I was surprised when I was doing my research for this episode of Surprise by how much push

[00:07:04] back there was to the finale.

[00:07:06] I'm like, no, I thought the finale was terrific.

[00:07:10] But whatever you know people can have their opinions, I have mine and I really enjoyed

[00:07:15] it.

[00:07:16] Yeah, sometimes I feel it's I don't know.

[00:07:21] It's nice to have a strong opinion about something even though it goes against consensus

[00:07:25] because it's just sort of like, no, this is how I feel.

[00:07:29] It's OK.

[00:07:30] You don't always have to agree with.

[00:07:31] I dug it.

[00:07:32] It's kind of empowering or not quite empowering but I can't quite find the word but it's

[00:07:35] nice to have sometimes just standing in your own opinion.

[00:07:39] But I thought it was horrible, no, I'm just kidding.

[00:07:45] I thought it was really good.

[00:07:46] I like the kind of sad tone to it.

[00:07:52] There was a feeling to it that makes sense.

[00:07:56] I liked that it had this really intense conclusion to the games but that was just over

[00:08:00] pretty quickly and then the rest was more aftermath.

[00:08:04] I like that they spent so much time in the aftermath and we had or the whole show

[00:08:08] took on the same kind of vibe that Gihun himself had which was like, what the fuck?

[00:08:13] You know.

[00:08:14] He was definitely suffering from PTSD.

[00:08:17] Yeah, he was shell shocked and it really took on that sad feel to it which I thought

[00:08:24] was maybe that's why people didn't like it as much because it wasn't like a feel

[00:08:29] good ending at all but it's sort of at the end there.

[00:08:33] Yeah, I also heard people criticize the fact that they didn't like the final confrontation

[00:08:43] between Sangwoo and Gihun in the rain that was more action hero kind of thing instead

[00:08:52] of what they were hoping for.

[00:08:54] Although I thought it was completely consistent with the entire way they set up squeaking.

[00:09:00] What do people want?

[00:09:02] I know.

[00:09:03] And also they basically played squid game at the very end episode one as kids, they

[00:09:11] show them playing it as kids so it makes perfect sense to have them come back to squid

[00:09:17] game in the middle of the day.

[00:09:18] But it was great because it was action packed and thrilling but also there was all

[00:09:21] of their history was there and they had dialogue back and forth and everything.

[00:09:27] What about fucked up moment of the week David?

[00:09:30] Yeah, I mean this game was always going to end in a fight to the death.

[00:09:35] So I'm kind of with you.

[00:09:36] I don't know what people were expecting there that could have been better than what we

[00:09:41] got.

[00:09:42] I think it's hard to be Sangwoo stabbing himself in the neck.

[00:09:46] That was pretty fucked up.

[00:09:48] I agree.

[00:09:49] I agree.

[00:09:50] I agree.

[00:09:51] Is that yours too?

[00:09:52] No, actually my fucked up moment of the week is the reveal of Ilhan.

[00:10:00] Ilhan, the man who was the first to die in the game.

[00:10:07] I think that felt like a betrayal and it felt like it made me sad for Jihun in a way

[00:10:19] I hadn't been sad for him before.

[00:10:22] And I thought it was pretty fucked up.

[00:10:25] Do you remember if you knew?

[00:10:27] No, I didn't know.

[00:10:28] I do remember that I didn't know.

[00:10:31] Originally.

[00:10:32] Yeah, I guess I don't think I did either.

[00:10:36] And I thought it was kind of dumb originally but I like it better now.

[00:10:43] Yeah and I mean one of the things I'm going to get into is all of the tells that they

[00:10:51] telegraphed it in many, many ways all of it that I didn't pick up on any of it.

[00:10:58] Mine is, is, Jihun made a bet on whether anyone would come along and help us pour freezing

[00:11:10] drunk guy essentially betting on whether there were still goodness in the world.

[00:11:15] And yet didn't even consider going down there and helping himself even though he has

[00:11:18] 35 million dollars.

[00:11:20] I thought about that too.

[00:11:22] And then I thought, well I wonder if that would have nullified the conditions of the

[00:11:30] game.

[00:11:31] Yeah, but we're not in a game anymore.

[00:11:34] I mean, I don't think that was the point of the writing.

[00:11:36] I think actually that's a little bit of the flaw in the writing.

[00:11:39] The point was that Jihun is a caring person that wants to see people have compassion

[00:11:44] but it's like, well then go down there and fucking help them.

[00:11:48] Yeah.

[00:11:50] Oh, he froze to death.

[00:11:51] I guess no one cares, including me.

[00:11:54] To that, I'm foreman supposed to be in a multi-millionaire up here.

[00:12:01] And I just lost the bet too.

[00:12:02] Double bummer.

[00:12:06] For the bet would he have lost everything?

[00:12:11] Like let's say Ilnam lived so the bet was that he would have gotten to kill Ilnam

[00:12:23] anyway he wanted to.

[00:12:24] It wasn't clear what was on the line for Jihun.

[00:12:26] He said, you may as well take everything I have but he didn't explicitly say everything

[00:12:31] I have but I think that's what was implied.

[00:12:33] Yeah.

[00:12:34] I think it was.

[00:12:35] Yeah.

[00:12:36] I think he did say it.

[00:12:38] It was clear to me that that was he was going to lose everything.

[00:12:42] Our subtitles are different so.

[00:12:44] Yeah, I haven't figured out that.

[00:12:47] Our subtitles can sustain us.

[00:12:50] Really?

[00:12:51] To me it seemed heavily implied but not like for a bet like that you want it to be

[00:12:57] crystal clear but anyway that's what I think it was too.

[00:13:01] All right.

[00:13:02] Shall we get into our points?

[00:13:04] Let's do.

[00:13:05] Who wants to go first?

[00:13:06] I'll go first.

[00:13:07] OK.

[00:13:08] I want to talk about the big reveal.

[00:13:10] Since that was the thing that kind of blew my mind and that made such a big impact

[00:13:16] on me and as I said I didn't see it coming and I went back and I read all about all

[00:13:22] the tells that they included that were clues all along that he was in fact the front

[00:13:29] man.

[00:13:30] And it's just really fun to go back and see all the clues.

[00:13:34] I completely missed or misinterpreted like understood at the moment to be something

[00:13:40] but didn't understand what it meant in fact.

[00:13:43] So for instance, I knew that his number was 001.

[00:13:48] What I didn't know is that his name translates into first man or boy.

[00:13:53] Yeah.

[00:13:54] So tell right there.

[00:13:57] I didn't know other people picked up that the doll in red light green light didn't scan

[00:14:02] him.

[00:14:03] Like it scanned everybody out.

[00:14:04] Seriously?

[00:14:05] Yeah.

[00:14:06] Because you said that.

[00:14:07] You said last time and I took a screenshot of everybody's green including him.

[00:14:14] I don't know what I saw it looked like.

[00:14:17] No, I watched it.

[00:14:18] I went back and you saw it but it scanned him.

[00:14:21] It took a screenshot.

[00:14:22] Yeah.

[00:14:23] Fascinating.

[00:14:24] Yeah, it really did.

[00:14:25] OK.

[00:14:27] He smiles in delight in red light green light as if he has nothing to lose nothing on

[00:14:33] the line and maybe he doesn't.

[00:14:36] In episode four, he screams for the dorm massacre to stop and it does.

[00:14:43] And I didn't you know at the time I didn't track that he had any power to make that happen

[00:14:48] and maybe maybe he just seemed like he was scared.

[00:14:51] Yeah.

[00:14:52] Maybe one who if you're really watching carefully, you might stop and go wait why did the

[00:14:59] frontman care that this old man is scared why did he stop it then.

[00:15:04] But I wasn't watching carefully enough for that at the time.

[00:15:07] Right.

[00:15:08] I misinterpreted that entirely.

[00:15:10] When the undercover cop is looking at the files of the players, it starts with player

[00:15:14] two, not player one.

[00:15:17] That's tell in the marbles game its ill numbs neighborhood again.

[00:15:24] I was like, oh guys got dementia.

[00:15:27] Maybe just looks like his neighborhood and no, in fact that was his neighborhood.

[00:15:33] We didn't see his body when he died, quote unquote died after the marbles game and maybe

[00:15:39] that meant something because I think we saw everybody.

[00:15:43] I mean, obviously did because he didn't die.

[00:15:48] And I think we saw everybody else's body who died.

[00:15:54] And that's his perfect tug of war strategy.

[00:15:56] Like who goes, who remembers a perfect tug of war strategy and this guy remembered a

[00:16:01] perfect tug of war strategy so that's just some of the things I read and some of the

[00:16:05] things I came up with.

[00:16:07] So yeah those were those were the things that I.

[00:16:13] And then I of course I wondered like was his life really on the line in the tug of war

[00:16:19] game?

[00:16:20] Would he have fallen to his death?

[00:16:21] How do you lost?

[00:16:23] Was it rigged somehow?

[00:16:26] Somebody said that they didn't see a lock on his handcuffs in the tug of war game.

[00:16:30] So maybe he was somehow always going to be spared who knows.

[00:16:37] You know, would he have gotten knifeed in the dorm?

[00:16:42] Yeah.

[00:16:43] Because as we've gone along with these podcasts, we've done spoiler segments at the end

[00:16:49] of I think all of them are most of them.

[00:16:52] And those if you were listening along with us, but you didn't listen to those, these

[00:16:58] are the questions we were asking like if he was to be spared.

[00:17:04] Clearly he was spared in the Marvel's game, but like you just said in the tug of war

[00:17:10] game how could he have been and maybe he didn't have a lock on his thing?

[00:17:13] But then he would have just been the only guy left on the platform and people might

[00:17:17] have been like, huh?

[00:17:19] Why?

[00:17:20] And also we were asking about whether he knew what the games were or not.

[00:17:26] And I don't think it's totally clear there but I kind of like to think he didn't know

[00:17:29] exactly and that he was actually playing in that there was a chance he could have died,

[00:17:34] but they were going to spare him if they could or something like that.

[00:17:37] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:38] Yeah, I don't think it's plausible that he was fully protected at all times.

[00:17:43] It's not possible.

[00:17:45] I mean during that right in the dorm that nothing could have happened to him.

[00:17:51] And to me, the brilliance of that whole storyline is that even everything you just said,

[00:17:59] it's all ambiguous.

[00:18:02] Yes, those are tells their indicators but every single one of them could be interpreted

[00:18:06] one way or the other.

[00:18:09] None of them are certain.

[00:18:10] I mean if you think about an old man who's nostalgic and has dementia and a brain tumor,

[00:18:18] he could have behaved in all those ways it was plausible.

[00:18:23] Even though we probably know at the end that maybe some of it was a conscious act.

[00:18:28] But I don't think we know that all of it was.

[00:18:31] It's left a little bit murky which is really clever.

[00:18:36] And as you point out Jason, he wasn't killed at the end of the Marvel's game.

[00:18:43] And maybe they could have managed that in the Delicona cookie game also.

[00:18:50] But it's hard for me to see how they could have managed it in the tug of war.

[00:18:54] Yeah.

[00:18:55] And I think the reason why they had it so that Elonum actually does have this brain tumor

[00:19:02] which we learned, we seem died from it in this episode,

[00:19:05] is just sort of go along with that idea that he's willing to risk his life in this game

[00:19:10] because he's going to die anyway.

[00:19:12] And everything he said at the end about the feeling you can only get by playing,

[00:19:17] that you can't get it by watching is probably a feeling you couldn't really get if you were

[00:19:22] in no risk at all.

[00:19:24] Right.

[00:19:25] Yeah.

[00:19:26] And what we didn't see is in the Marvel game they were like so you do really want us

[00:19:28] to shoot you and he's like oh my guess not.

[00:19:31] Yeah I'm kidding.

[00:19:32] You know what it really comes down to it.

[00:19:36] No.

[00:19:37] I mean it's interesting he was, he was going to win the Marvel's game and he ended up

[00:19:44] sparing Jihun's life right?

[00:19:49] He talks about that in this episode.

[00:19:51] I think when he says I let you live it's because he felt, I mean I'm paraphrasing

[00:19:57] because I don't remember the dialogue but my sense was he wanted to recapture that

[00:20:00] feeling he got when he was playing these games as a kid because he's so jaded now

[00:20:04] as this ultra powerful wealthy person who's bored as fuck.

[00:20:08] And he did put himself in this role and role place and that did allow him to recapture

[00:20:12] that and also something else that he's lost which is connection, you know that's what

[00:20:17] the way I saw it that he felt something, some compassion and connection with Jihun

[00:20:21] that he doesn't have in his life anymore.

[00:20:24] Something like that.

[00:20:25] Yes.

[00:20:26] I think the exact quote which is I think very, very telling is because it was fun playing

[00:20:32] with you he said.

[00:20:35] Which could also be interpreted as.

[00:20:38] Like a toy.

[00:20:39] Yes.

[00:20:40] Because it was fun messing with you because yeah because you are the horse that I bet on

[00:20:46] because you know it was yeah it was fun toying with you.

[00:20:51] I think I'd like to think there's a bit of both in there.

[00:20:56] But I don't know.

[00:20:57] Yeah.

[00:20:58] I don't think he thinks of people in general as subhuman horses or game pieces but I

[00:21:06] think he formed a connection with Jihun and that made a difference.

[00:21:10] Although he did tell him in the car on the ride back if that was him it was somebody

[00:21:17] in a mess.

[00:21:18] The front man.

[00:21:19] It was the front man.

[00:21:20] Sorry it was the front man who told him you're a horse.

[00:21:25] Yeah.

[00:21:26] But that was interesting too because we know the front man won the game and we're asking

[00:21:30] ourselves why he came back to and it might be for a similar reason.

[00:21:33] He's bored.

[00:21:34] He has no purpose, no more challenges in life and so got it a failure time with something

[00:21:40] you know.

[00:21:41] And maybe he sees I mean he's taking on this view that you're all horses so I think it

[00:21:49] feels like he's come to this place too where he sees the poor as subhuman but he's elevated

[00:21:55] himself out of that.

[00:21:58] And so maybe that's why he loved the game so much because it gives someone like him

[00:22:01] a chance to become better or something and maybe he looks at Jihun and sees him as having

[00:22:06] also been elevated out of that position you know.

[00:22:09] I don't know.

[00:22:10] Let me ask you both.

[00:22:13] So that's a question.

[00:22:14] I mean Il Nam says you know the thing with the thing with the very poor and the very

[00:22:22] rich is they're not happy.

[00:22:26] And you know the very rich get or super bored.

[00:22:32] Do you think also if you were David and I talked about this the other night but let me

[00:22:37] ask you Jason would you be if you were if you had that kind of scratch would you be

[00:22:43] super bored.

[00:22:44] I mean it's hard to say of course.

[00:22:46] Well that kind of goes into my first point David you might if I go next okay I think

[00:22:53] I can enter that as I'm going over this point so it's power corrupts and Il Nam reveals

[00:23:01] the reason behind the games is a bunch of rich guys were bored basically.

[00:23:06] He says do you know that do you know what someone who doesn't have any money has in common

[00:23:10] with someone with too much money to know what to do with living is no fun for either

[00:23:15] of them and he says everything gets boring and I think that's because you can have whatever

[00:23:20] you want so there's no struggle you know for the for the ultra wealthy for the for the

[00:23:26] super poor it's because their needs are not met that's why life is no fun but for

[00:23:31] the ultra wealthy it's about bored of no challenges and so Il Nam and his friends respond

[00:23:39] to that combination of ultimate power and boredom by dehumanizing the less powerful

[00:23:43] and playing with them like toys or ponds in a game horses you bet on we you bet on horses

[00:23:50] we bet on humans you were a horses.

[00:23:53] So yeah that raises a question for me does everyone respond to that boredom that comes

[00:23:59] with ultimate power over others by dehumanizing others I don't think everyone does but I

[00:24:05] could see how a lot of people would but number two are many of the people who accumulate

[00:24:11] that kind of power also the kind of people who are predisposed to dehumanizing others you

[00:24:16] know there's there's that thing about most CEOs have psychopathic tendencies I looked

[00:24:25] at up and I read that that was that it's not exactly true but it's what I read said

[00:24:32] research shows that people with psychopathic tendencies are more likely to be leaders or

[00:24:37] something like that slightly more likely but I think I mean I admire Bill Gates who left

[00:24:46] Microsoft one of the richest guys in the world dedicated himself to trying to solve problems

[00:24:51] go found in this Bill and Millen Gates Foundation the largest private charitable foundation

[00:24:55] in the world they focus on all kinds of problems healthcare poverty climate change education

[00:25:03] they've increased access to vaccines they've supported efforts in climate change like

[00:25:09] clean energy and carbon capture and all this but there is criticism that his organization

[00:25:14] has undermined public health systems and democratic governance by favoring private sector partnerships

[00:25:20] so exercising control and bypassing or weakening public institutions and civil society organizations

[00:25:27] so I don't know I guess still I would say that he's no ill-nom you know he's trying to do good

[00:25:36] with his money versus just responding in this way where you don't care about anybody else

[00:25:42] so there's an example of someone who I think responding the right way personally I would hope

[00:25:48] that I would not I would hope that I would find challenge and purpose and put the money

[00:25:54] to some you so try to solve big problems like Bill Gates or give it to people who I think

[00:25:58] we're working on those kinds of problems you know and there's also just it feels like

[00:26:04] that ill-nom has lost compassion for people who aren't as rich as him or who he has no connection

[00:26:12] with and man I guess like anything in Squid Game you can't really know how you're going

[00:26:21] to respond unless you're in it but I would really hope that I wouldn't respond that way

[00:26:28] I would really help not and I really feel confident that neither of you guys would either and one

[00:26:33] thing especially for you Karen that makes me think you wouldn't is because you care about animals so

[00:26:37] much and that's where a lot of people animals are weaker than us they're not as intelligent in most

[00:26:44] ways and so they get slaughtered and eaten but you won't stand for that so that's why I kind of think

[00:26:49] what's the matter if I get billions I'm starting my human horse race

[00:26:57] that's what game look really energy it just occurred to me do you think do you think that

[00:27:04] ill-nom staged the scene below the guy in the cold and the last minute saving by the cop

[00:27:20] and the good Samaritan do you think that that was all staged in order to help

[00:27:26] you're shaking your head David why I'm easy to use why you bring that up yeah that's

[00:27:36] I just took it straightforward that he was like telling you who and hey people don't care

[00:27:42] you know the reason I bring it up is because when you were talking about like the powerful

[00:27:48] controlling things and controlling yeah a lot I was like what wouldn't he control

[00:27:55] it is kind of a coincidence like oh there happens to be this thing out here that we can bet on

[00:28:00] yeah yeah that I can see you from my hospital bed and people who love to bet all bet on anything

[00:28:07] yeah both of these guys you who you don't know yeah they will they will absolutely but

[00:28:13] but why would somebody who likes controlling and staging things and staging games

[00:28:19] why not why not stage that because that's boring you gotta have risk to have yeah yeah I suppose

[00:28:28] that's true I suppose that's true and one more thing I want to mention is um you know

[00:28:35] ill-nom is saying you know what as a rich person as an ultra wealthy person life is

[00:28:41] no fun there's no thrill left in it so in that way he sort of cursed yes

[00:28:49] and yes I think um I mean so far Gehun has not I think that's my speculation of why he

[00:28:57] died his hair red is he finally understands why this happens right he was paralyzed for one year

[00:29:05] meanwhile the sebiux poor brother is rotting away in the orphanage I know laugh at that but

[00:29:11] anyway um but but then he decides to take action once he gets this information and he realized okay

[00:29:16] they were doing it because they were bored and we were treated as subhuman I don't want to stand

[00:29:20] for that I felt too guilty to spend this money but now I know I can use the money to take action

[00:29:25] as long as I don't let myself become like them so he dies his hair red to remind himself where

[00:29:30] the money came from so he won't he's I'm not a you know I'm not a horse I'm a human and he wants to

[00:29:37] keep that compassion but I think where the series could go is he couldn't become

[00:29:42] interrupted that would be really sad but it would definitely go with the themes of the series

[00:29:48] yeah I think he also doesn't have work a straight squid games kind of money

[00:29:53] he has a lot more money than he had before yeah maybe he'll get more in season two and then

[00:29:57] he'll put on squid game in season three could he be offered the job of frontman like the previous

[00:30:03] years winner was offered the job of frontman maybe um the job of frontman and would be offered to him

[00:30:09] and the temptation to be like yeah I'll go ahead and yeah I'll be happy to be frontman all

[00:30:17] I'll create something that's completely different and in the end maybe the temptation is to create

[00:30:23] the exact same thing I don't know right so um I want to respond Jason to this to your observations

[00:30:33] about very rich people and I don't think it's true that all very wealthy people are cynical or

[00:30:42] cruel many are and there probably is something to the idea that if you're more cut throat

[00:30:48] than the average bearer you might be a little more likely to rise through the business world or

[00:30:54] um you know be a successful entrepreneur CEO but there's also a great deal of luck involved

[00:31:02] in becoming very rich uh you know just hitting with the right thing at the right time that happens

[00:31:09] to be perfect for the current conditions and I think there's a lot more luck than most rich people

[00:31:16] would want to admit um and maybe that is something oil novel was acknowledging uh and then he's

[00:31:25] sort of uh structured his entertainment as rich powerful person around bedding but the other

[00:31:33] observation I would make is about philanthropy because you were talking about Bill Gates and um

[00:31:38] I think often we look at that as very noble and positive and in a way it is um hey I have all this

[00:31:47] you know money empowered on trying to do something positive with it but I think there is a blind spot

[00:31:53] to the whole idea of philanthropy by very rich people which is that ultimately any very wealthy

[00:32:03] individual no matter how wealthy they are cannot have anywhere near the impact of any sort of

[00:32:10] public society or system you know you just don't have the scale and what you don't see Bill Gates

[00:32:18] or most people like that doing is really working hard to change our economic system to make it

[00:32:26] more equitable so we don't have this massive division of a few very wealthy people and a lot

[00:32:34] of very poor people and maybe some people in the middle. Yeah in some cases he's favoring he's

[00:32:39] favoring his own businesses you know he's at the same time as he's doing this philanthropy it's also

[00:32:45] got a financial interest. He might be treating some symptoms of poverty but is he really

[00:32:52] attacking the structural cause of widespread poverty and I would say most wealthy philanthropists

[00:32:59] are not yeah and um and then just one last observation about this um and especially

[00:33:08] probably in our society today we can identify with this because we have very very low taxes on

[00:33:13] inheritance a lot of really wealthy people are just descendants of the people who made the money

[00:33:21] originally like they didn't even do anything remarkable to gather at themselves they just were born

[00:33:28] and I think a lot of those people struggle with purpose in life as well.

[00:33:34] Absolutely I know I know someone like that uh he's struggled with purpose more than most people I know

[00:33:40] um it's interesting to me that he's a lender you know we assume a predatory lender at one point

[00:33:51] in the news they're saying there's more debt household debt than normal this year in career whatever

[00:33:59] and it's because there's been regulations lifted so that you presume that means protections you know

[00:34:06] and um I've been watching this season's Fargo that's such a good show I don't know if you guys

[00:34:10] are into it yeah I heard this I heard this season it's fantastic it's every season it's great but

[00:34:16] Jennifer Jason Lay plays this rich woman and she's talking to this one police officer who's

[00:34:23] questioning her and she says the police I mean why do we need you except as a tool to keep a certain

[00:34:29] element in line to separate those who have money class intellect from those who don't your gatekeeper

[00:34:35] standing outside the walls keeping the rabble from getting in but in here inside these walls you

[00:34:40] have no function you should remember that so she's exercising her power over this cop and then

[00:34:47] later it's revealed that she's a lender same job as Yilnam and um she says that people in debt

[00:34:55] feel powerless they are powerless and she talks about how they're in cages and everything like that

[00:35:00] and I just think it's interesting that this show is playing on these same themes as squid game

[00:35:05] and I think that's a symptom of where we are in the culture right now you know with the wealth

[00:35:10] gap and everything that this comes up yeah we actually do have a surprising amount of rule of law

[00:35:17] given the um wealth disparity in our society I mean there are still rich and powerful people

[00:35:26] that do to some extent get investigated or prosecuted but it's definitely under attack

[00:35:32] the idea of rule of law it's not equally applied and it isn't it's under attack for sure

[00:35:38] um it also made me wonder you're just saying that whether um oil nom may even have been behind

[00:35:45] the predatory loan that uh you don't pose yeah I mean that you're saying you know and I agree with

[00:35:51] you that a lot of success in financial success is about luck in part I also think there's

[00:36:00] skill some people are more likely to make it because of their skill but it's luck is in there for

[00:36:05] sure to some succeed despite themselves because of luck but I think this predatory lending thing is

[00:36:11] an interesting job to give him because he's praying on the desperate and that's what the squid

[00:36:15] game is all about you know it's just on a bigger and more brutal scale I agree that's right

[00:36:22] that's exactly right all right David do you want to do a fresh point uh so just following on

[00:36:28] oil nom and geohun so um I thought this was really a remarkable scene between them

[00:36:37] really powerful and compelling uh it staged in an interesting setting so uh oil nom is on his

[00:36:45] deathbed essentially but he's in this very um empty environment he's on like this empty floor

[00:36:54] of an office building and maybe it was staged that way so he could meet with geohun without

[00:36:59] giving away more about himself but I think it's also symbolic of the sterility of his life

[00:37:07] um and how desperate you would have to be for connection to have to try to find it in the

[00:37:12] squid game um the scene highlights their uh power disparity even though geohun now has money

[00:37:21] acknowledges that that can be taken away from him at any time by a more powerful figure or more

[00:37:27] powerful forces um I thought it was interesting that it's actually Christmas Eve and that made me

[00:37:37] go one look up what Christmas is like in Korea uh and if that is a holiday there uh about 30%

[00:37:46] of korea's is christian is what I read so it's not as big a deal as it is here but it's still a holiday

[00:37:51] and has some meaning um and we saw the idea of jesus come up earlier in the episode with uh

[00:37:58] the street corner preacher oh yeah um so i thought that was interesting because there's a little bit

[00:38:05] of a cliché there are of geohun's faith in humanity being restored on christmas eve by a charitable

[00:38:12] act from strangers so that has echoes and a lot of other movies and shows so i'll be recommending

[00:38:21] squid game no one ever had a good christmas show

[00:38:28] a couple other things about it um one is i had mixed feelings about this entire storyline

[00:38:37] a little bit um it is clever it's certainly a clever twist in the story and to your point caron

[00:38:45] they put a lot of hints in there and uh you know it's a dramatic twist uh that creates an

[00:38:53] interesting contrast but i think it does come at a cost and the cost is that

[00:39:01] the all their emotional interactions back during the game which were so uh poignant and heartbreaking

[00:39:09] i were inauthentic um so in retrospect it diffuses some of the power of the earlier happenings

[00:39:19] in the story at least it did for me now that i've seen how it's ended because i had forgotten

[00:39:27] and heard ilnames explanation it makes me feel like that there was some authenticity in those

[00:39:36] interactions you know because he i like i said i think he did find connection with with uh geohun

[00:39:46] in the games so but they're not and they're not as they were presented though it's not totally

[00:39:52] inauthentic but yeah it wasn't completely real either right yeah so it just made me go back and feel

[00:39:59] and that wasn't quite as poignant maybe as i thought it was absolutely at the time um

[00:40:05] and then the other huge question that's raised and now that we know there's gonna be season two maybe

[00:40:10] it's gonna be answered but um if ilnames was the founder of this whole enterprise but at the end

[00:40:17] of this episode we find out that the games are continuing they're recruiting again uh so it's

[00:40:23] become bigger than him i think we can guess that maybe he was grooming the frontman to be his

[00:40:28] successor in this organization or whatever you want to call it um so i i think in this scene a lot

[00:40:36] of groundwork was laid for a potential season two even if he didn't know he was gonna do it i

[00:40:41] think he laid some groundwork just in case oh yeah yeah and they they happen worldwide right didn't

[00:40:49] we find that about that seemed like it yeah because they said they like the career games the best

[00:40:53] the best yeah and the frontman wasn't actually the previous year's winner he was from a number of

[00:40:58] years before several years back yeah uh also um ilnames said he and his friends got together and started

[00:41:08] this so i had it in my head that he was the main man and i think he kind of is but he had partners

[00:41:16] let me ask you both where where do you think uh likely countries are um where squid game happens

[00:41:24] u.s well we know what happened in uh the uk i'm just kidding

[00:41:32] um any any uh hong kong i don't know

[00:41:38] candidates yeah hong kong makes a lot of sense russia

[00:41:42] yeah they do enjoy a punch up in canada so i don't know they

[00:41:47] they they sort of have hockey to uh to fill this void

[00:41:54] one other um thing that they left unanswered and my you know i don't know if the new season is going

[00:42:04] back into oil noms history at all maybe they will but um

[00:42:08] um he's obviously very nostalgic about when he did not have all this money and he was with his wife

[00:42:15] and son in that small house what happened to them and what happened to those relationships

[00:42:20] because he seems isolated in a strange now they're not there with him as he's dying

[00:42:26] yeah sad yeah maybe we'll get some backstory he's not surrounded by a family on his deathbed

[00:42:34] which is incredibly sad and as i i think i remember something about how that's like the saddest

[00:42:42] thing of all if you're dying by yourself well i think he reached out to gihun or had his people do

[00:42:49] it not only because he was interested that he hasn't spent the money but because that was the

[00:42:54] last person he felt a connection with yeah yeah i was trying to think why exactly did he's because

[00:43:01] he said i found out you weren't spending your money why was it because you're guilty but

[00:43:06] but it's like so what why do you care are you worried he's gonna expose you i didn't seem like

[00:43:12] that it was more like come on man it's all right spend the money which makes me which makes me think

[00:43:17] that the whole scene down in the um on the street was staged but why would he want to give

[00:43:25] gihun the feeling that oh you're right people are do have the capacity for good just to be nice

[00:43:32] yeah i think it's more interesting personally if gihun i mean uh il nam is just kind of broken

[00:43:42] and gihun had a little triumph over him when someone did come to help you know

[00:43:49] who as cynical uh huh that's cynical yeah but look at what the show is it started with the game of

[00:43:56] red light green light where people got shot in the head but that and that moment is very important to

[00:44:01] you i mean that helps bring him back to life it does but she's saying that that il nam may have

[00:44:10] orchestrated that yeah but but it brings him back to life in a way where he wants to take down

[00:44:17] the squid game yeah i don't think so but we can disagree at first i mean at first he does

[00:44:26] great things with the money right he gives a bunch of money to sing lose mom and springs um

[00:44:34] the orphan from the orphanage whose name i can't remember right now um and and unites the two

[00:44:40] of them together which is really sweet i think that was an elegant solution um that he comes up with

[00:44:46] to um you know honor um sad biyuk's memory and also take care of singu's mother at the same time

[00:44:55] super she needs a song and troll needs a mother yeah hopefully she doesn't turn him into another

[00:45:01] sangu though true true but now she has uh money to um to uh you know help ease her her retirement

[00:45:14] yeah ease the burden so we'll see um but at so he did that and then he also well he got the crazy

[00:45:23] hair color um but he was on his way to see his daughter and things might have worked out just fine

[00:45:30] except that he happened to see this squid game was continuing so uh you know if that was ilna

[00:45:37] if ilna did um bring him there for the specific purpose of trying to um connect with him one last time

[00:45:46] and maybe ease his mind um convince him that you know yeah it's okay you can you can enjoy your

[00:45:54] your wealth um yet kind of worked for a low wow it's just unintended unintended consequences of him

[00:46:03] happening to see that they were continuing squid game we at some point we're gonna have to just

[00:46:08] agree to disagree right yeah or not or move on but i just think ilnaum's whole perspective

[00:46:18] he would have to be um going against his whole perspective on humanity

[00:46:24] to do that just a trick gihun which maybe he would be smart enough to do that yeah i don't know

[00:46:32] yeah you're right you're right all right but let's move on to another point Karen it's your turn

[00:46:38] what you got i'm just crazy about the rich americans that they brought in i was totally fine

[00:46:44] bringing in rich american clients that makes perfect sense and i i actually enjoyed the look of them

[00:46:51] in the weird sparkly masks i thought that was pretty neat i didn't think that their acting was

[00:46:58] super great i don't know if you all thought that too um i don't know if that was the worst part of

[00:47:04] the show by far we talked about it when they first came in yeah and it was even worse than that

[00:47:12] episode and i think maybe it's a cultural thing that it in korea they wanted to play very broad

[00:47:20] and caricature to come across because if it was subtle it might not have come across yeah i don't know

[00:47:26] yeah yeah but the cheesy over the top uh the ip's yeah and i've read some other people

[00:47:33] at sharing all of our opinion on that um it's very it stands out it didn't help that they're speaking

[00:47:40] english for us because we can hear it directly yeah i think it makes sense for them to speak english but

[00:47:48] yeah then it it makes it sound even dumber so i'm gonna talk about uh i can talk about sangwoo

[00:47:59] so sangwoo says that he killed sebi up because he knew that she and gihun would probably stop the game

[00:48:09] vote to stop it so she could get medical help because she was dying from her injury from the glass

[00:48:15] bridge blowing up and we weren't sure if this rule that the game could be stopped by the majority

[00:48:22] of players voting to stop it still applied after they had that first chance but it seems like

[00:48:28] it does because later on in the squid game game gihun goes to um sangwoo and says let's vote to

[00:48:37] stop the game and the VIPs seem to indicate yes that can happen now it hasn't happened i don't

[00:48:43] think in the history of the games at least that what we saw from the records there's always been one

[00:48:47] winner so if there is the rule that at any point during the games they could make this vote it's

[00:48:52] interesting that they never did including now but anyway back to sangwoo and she he said he killed

[00:48:59] sebi up because he was afraid that she and gihun would have made that vote and he believed that

[00:49:05] she could do that and so i thought back like when the guy whose wife lost at marbles and got killed

[00:49:13] and then he wanted to vote to leave and sangwoo yelled at him that you know all this would have

[00:49:17] been for nothing and i think there's maybe a debatable point there um but here he killed someone

[00:49:27] who might have lived and this is where i personally judge him the most harshly of all so far like

[00:49:34] that's unforgivable if gihun and sebi up wanted to vote to leave to save her life that's you should

[00:49:41] let them do that you know and so um i think sebi probably wouldn't have voted to leave anyway

[00:49:48] probably she wanted maybe it was more important for her to save her brother and her mother then

[00:49:53] to go on living herself and so she might have told gihun no you i'm gonna die you beat him and take

[00:50:00] the money and save my family but um anyway sangwoo didn't let her have that choice

[00:50:06] and his philosophy is we've come this far and i want to win the money so i'm gonna do whatever it

[00:50:12] takes to win and i was thinking how that maps over onto real life like when duxu killed the guy in

[00:50:18] the dorm who was mad that he stole his food and that they realized that counted as a player so

[00:50:23] and so has been eliminated it's just all part of the game that that was a legitimate way to get

[00:50:28] closer to winning winning the money at that moment the game became much more cutthroat even if you

[00:50:33] didn't want to play that way you had to at least defend yourself from people who did and in real

[00:50:39] life we can be cutthroat with each other too and sometimes like i was saying with the psychotic

[00:50:45] CEOs those who are more cutthroat unfortunately get ahead but it's up to all of us to decide how cut

[00:50:51] throat we want to be if at all and whether it's worth it to gain an advantage but lose something

[00:50:57] from ourselves you know most of us anyway lose some of our soul or whatever but um i think

[00:51:03] sangwoo decided to be as cutthroat as possible and um yeah i judge him pretty pretty yeah actually

[00:51:13] yeah and i judge him very harshly for that as i did anyone in the dorm who would just go around

[00:51:18] and try to kill people that night um so then sangwoo and geehun go into the final game and it was

[00:51:25] amazing though the way they faced off and the music sounded like they were at high new in a

[00:51:30] western with the guitar you know jion and um then the creepy red light green light doll was there

[00:51:36] which i liked because it's a callback to the first episode a lot of things in this episode called

[00:51:39] back and then the fight was so vicious with stabbing and punching and biting and then when geehun

[00:51:46] gets the upper hand i think just because he bit sangwoo and you don't know whether he's going to go

[00:51:52] ahead and step on the squid head and wind and he says no and wants to vote to end the game

[00:51:58] that's where for him compassion is more important than anything else and sangwoo won't let him give

[00:52:05] up and kill himself cutthroat stabs his own throat and at first i thought oh he had a moment of

[00:52:13] niceness there he was doing geehun a favor like you know i'm gonna

[00:52:18] i don't want to leave here without someone having the money so you take it but i think

[00:52:25] it was more about his mother i think he knew he was going to lose because he was

[00:52:32] incapacitated you know geehun had the high ground and so he knew he couldn't win and we know he

[00:52:40] was already suicidal when they all voted to go home he was about to kill himself because of his

[00:52:44] debt and i think feeling guilty about leaving his mom in the lurch and so he's like without this

[00:52:53] money i'm gonna kill myself so i'm dead anyway this is my only chance to help my mother so he

[00:53:02] killed himself and then told geehun please help my mother so anyway that's a long way to say

[00:53:06] i think he did that just to help his mother if they had voted if sangwoo had agreed to end the game

[00:53:14] and they had voted to stop it right there would the money have been redistributed to or

[00:53:20] distributed to the people who had died as they mentioned at the very beginning what did they say

[00:53:31] i thought the rule was i thought the rule was that you can go ahead and vote to end it now

[00:53:39] vote to end everything this is back when they were first voting on them and we we will distribute

[00:53:46] the money to the people who's to the families of the people who have died that is what they said

[00:53:52] yeah so i was just wondering at that point if they had voted to to stop the game would all the money

[00:54:02] have gone to all the people who have the families of all the people who had died just a question

[00:54:08] i'm wondering about interesting yeah maybe but it's 35 million divided by 456 still seems like

[00:54:16] be a good chunk change i don't know uh rainman david uh 76,754 dollars

[00:54:26] a process so it's not life changing really no yeah but it maybe for some of the people would be

[00:54:33] mm-hmm yeah that's a really really interesting question but the money would not have gone into sangwoo

[00:54:40] or helps sangwoo in any way and it wouldn't have helped jihun in any way those two who had voted

[00:54:46] they wouldn't have been the beneficiary so i know and i was going to say i interpreted this a little

[00:54:51] bit differently than you did jason and i've been the most critical of sangwoo on our podcast um i think

[00:55:00] from the beginning he's been cut throat cell fish um and cynical, cool cruel whatever you want to

[00:55:09] call it he's he's used every um bit of guy i like the disposal the disposal of his considerable brain

[00:55:19] to try to kill his opponents uh and win the money but i think in the end here he actually

[00:55:27] a little piece of his humanity reawakens and he does something to help his childhood friend

[00:55:34] which is he um he makes jihun not personally responsible for his death

[00:55:43] because if jihun were to win the game they would shoot him or if jihun were to kill him directly

[00:55:50] this is the only way for jihun to win without being directly responsible for killing him

[00:55:59] but i don't see how that works because jihun wasn't going to kill him he wanted to vote to stop

[00:56:05] well right no i'm not saying that he was willing to stop the game

[00:56:09] but i'm saying the only way for him to make one of them win to not stop the game

[00:56:15] without jihun directly killing him would would be for him to kill himself

[00:56:21] but i mean okay but if but jihun standing there going i i don't want to i'm not going to go step

[00:56:28] on the thing and you know actually they said if a player won't play then they will be eliminated so

[00:56:35] i think if jihun had said i'm not gonna keep playing we need to vote to go and saying we said

[00:56:41] no i refuse then maybe they would have killed jihun and sang we would have won i bet you

[00:56:46] sang we didn't think about that he had to probably want to just sat there

[00:56:59] anyway i don't know man maybe okay what else yeah so i want to go back to the um the vap's

[00:57:11] who uh we especially may have criticized the writing and uh acting the vip characters which i

[00:57:17] think is justified but i thought there was one very interesting moment in this episode where

[00:57:25] um one of the vip's it starts to rain says good rain knows the best time to fall

[00:57:32] good line do fuh yeah um so the do fuh is a chinese poet

[00:57:39] uh i think that has some symbolism in in its own right to china's the

[00:57:46] nearby behemoth that has always had a strong effect on korean culture the smaller country

[00:57:52] and china's always been sort of hanging over their story in various ways um

[00:57:58] you know it's the country that returns sebiok's mother to most korea and um and north korean ally

[00:58:06] and um it's where they've been selling the stolen organs and that sort of thing so that

[00:58:11] that's always hanging over us a little bit so i thought it was interesting about this

[00:58:15] chinese poem uh is invoked uh do fuh was a poet from the tang dynasty

[00:58:23] so reading out i'm glad you you're saying this because i thought was that an insult when he said

[00:58:27] do fuh um i could just call it something yeah no no so um uh the tang dynasty was from around six to nine

[00:58:38] hundred a.d and then considered a chinese goal mage but the um the poem depicts the characteristics

[00:58:47] of spring rain um and a scene of night rain and china do with great joy and enthusiasm because

[00:58:52] it was defammer um so i'll read a little bit of the poem happy rain on a spring night and there's

[00:58:59] a lot of different translations of this poem so there's some interpretation we weigh as to what

[00:59:05] it actually said but this is one translation um good rain knows its time right it will fall when

[00:59:12] comes spring with wind it steals a night mute it wets everything over wild lanes dark cloud spreads

[00:59:20] in boat a lantern looms doncy saturated reds the tones heavy with blooms so this whole poem is about

[00:59:28] renewal and growth and um people coming to life and i read one interpretation that um

[00:59:37] that proposed that from a VIP perspective showering money on the poor his what will make

[00:59:43] them come to life um you know as if money is all life is about and that's sort of the central

[00:59:50] conflict of this whole story he who does not feel that way although or not the VIPs do

[00:59:58] and the money actually does not bring him to life uh and eventually it takes an active human

[01:00:04] kindness to to bring him back in life he leaves the games rich on paper but broken in spirit

[01:00:11] for you anyway so that's a lot better to take from from one quote maybe i'm reading more into it

[01:00:17] even that in the author did uh but i thought it was very interesting and well chosen if it did

[01:00:23] intentional i like it it's definitely it makes sense for sure i like that basically researched

[01:00:31] uh when just a little aside about these guys i think once the game was over then they showed

[01:00:40] the area where they had been sitting and overlooking and watching and all the masks were lined up on

[01:00:45] the table and i'm like so did they just like take off their masks not care that they knew who each

[01:00:52] other were or how did that happen maybe they someone brought the masks back out for some reason

[01:00:58] there's a lot of little practicalities in this show that you have to

[01:01:01] just kind of pass yeah yeah i know and things i would never notice unless i was scrutinizing it in

[01:01:07] detail and you'd also have to imagine that the the workers nobody talks about it uh to so

[01:01:15] the workers now the games over the workers clean up the island uh burn the last bodies

[01:01:21] and uh and then you know go home maybe they're um maybe they're well compensated but you have to

[01:01:27] hope that nobody nobody talks about it i mean it's been what 33 years or something crazy like that

[01:01:34] and nobody has mentioned hey there's this weird thing it's called a squid game

[01:01:40] and nobody has said anything about it and every year um i assume every year um

[01:01:47] you know uh close to 500 people go missing yeah and and uh one exceptionally poor person who's

[01:01:59] in dire straits all of a sudden is a multi-million there at the Lamborghini yeah and i i think that's

[01:02:06] part of the cynicism of the show they're saying yeah five hundred people that you know get go missing

[01:02:13] oh well but you realize that saying what was mom doesn't know will and we'll never know what

[01:02:19] happened to him he just disappeared as far as she's concerned yeah that's right as far as the

[01:02:24] workers not talking it does make me think of the time i worked at apple which i cannot talk about

[01:02:30] so shall we move on they have really good and he is

[01:02:41] so uh who's turns it i forgot it's it's care and stern

[01:02:45] uh i don't need more i talked about everything except for one one quick little thing

[01:02:51] um so this is what the the very wealthy people they do this weird hunger games

[01:02:57] ask thing um to have fun and bet on like a elaborate horse race i kept thinking um there's

[01:03:06] all of our things you could be doing besides betting on um people uh who dies

[01:03:14] um there's gotta be better things out there um so that that's all i just wanted to hammer that

[01:03:19] home one do you have a list of other things they could be what should the ulcer wealthy do

[01:03:24] chat gpt besides set up a game where humans kill each other yeah ask chat gpt that

[01:03:31] jim dolan has this crazy collection of um like famous objects uh that he travels around the

[01:03:39] country with and he pays some of the best blues musicians in the world to perform with him

[01:03:44] oh yes that's great yeah so there's there's one thing you could do i think it's all kind of uh

[01:03:51] ignore many us and a little bit gross that like oh this kind of average musician pays these famous

[01:03:59] guys to play with them but hey you got the dough so i mean if you had that kind of money would you

[01:04:04] maybe pay you to play with you i'm gonna waste for a day

[01:04:13] yeah you could buy an island and david would buy a baseball team the rolling stones over

[01:04:20] all right so it'd be really fun to have a party and in fact all the rolling i don't know

[01:04:24] maybe it wouldn't be as fun as i think it would chat gpt says i thought those guys are never

[01:04:31] what a chat gpt say one possible alternative for the ulcer wealthiest user money and influence

[01:04:37] for a philanthropic cause causes such as fighting poverty disease climate change during justice

[01:04:42] oh it's bouquets make it rain another possible is to use our creativity and innovation for

[01:04:47] artistic or cultural pursuits such as writing painting music film art culture blah blah blah

[01:04:53] yeah sure pick take up the guitar

[01:05:00] right i mean i can't buy tell what that is one thing yeah it's really it's cost it

[01:05:06] they're killing 500 people how about take up the guitar yeah start carving some statues or something

[01:05:14] so my next one my last one is what season two could be about

[01:05:18] and i think it's pretty clear that at least in part it'll be about gihun trying to take down

[01:05:24] the squid game um i think it's interesting il nam was oh oh one and he gihun is four five six

[01:05:32] the last number and il nam was the beginning of squid game gihun could potentially become

[01:05:36] the end of it but um i don't know how like is he gonna play in the game again i kind of feel like

[01:05:43] they're gonna figure out some way where he can play again uh but i don't think it will be as

[01:05:52] interesting if it's just a thriller showing gihun taking down this organization i think it will

[01:06:00] have to continue to be a commentary on society and humanity in some way but could it tackle new themes

[01:06:07] or would it just talk more about wealth disparity which may seem like a retread you know

[01:06:14] so he's got a this writer director guy has a big task in front of him i do i kind of said this

[01:06:20] earlier but i think it might be kind of interesting if gihun does start to feel the corruption

[01:06:28] that can come with power that would be really sad i don't want to see that for him as a person who

[01:06:35] likes his character but for a storytelling thing it might be kind of interesting to see him have

[01:06:39] to battle with that does he team up with the undercover cop i don't think the undercover cop is dead

[01:06:45] mean either so the undercover cop is still in play and he could somehow be in the mix too

[01:06:52] so maybe he um and he knows um gihun right he knows they they he knows where he lives he knows who he is

[01:07:02] so maybe do you do you know what i mean like if it's just about these two trying to take down the

[01:07:07] organization there has to be some commentary or something yes and and i think also with ill

[01:07:16] ill-num dead they're gonna have to i think they would rejigger it so it's a completely different

[01:07:22] kind of game so different kinds of games maybe a different location so this is how survivor

[01:07:28] gets started yeah i know no i mean i'm a china but you're right you're right if it's not life or

[01:07:36] death it might not seem that i i think he's got a really tall task i have no idea what it could

[01:07:41] possibly be about that would be as compelling as the first first show is so creative and different

[01:07:49] and unique but still really smart and unbelievably well executed so to speak um so many times over

[01:07:59] yeah i think it's gonna be really difficult i mean the obviously is brilliant to come up with this

[01:08:04] but i don't know what the second one is going to be about i've brought up westworld a few times on

[01:08:09] this show you know about this subject how do they do um a season two is brilliant as season one

[01:08:16] and westhold season one is unbelievably brilliant and what they did is they in season one

[01:08:23] it was sort of the whole mystery of is there consciousness there and will the host become

[01:08:31] self-aware and then season two was their journey towards meaning in their consciousness so they

[01:08:39] came up with a second related journey that was almost if not equally compelling to the first

[01:08:48] and i think that's the task here but what it's gonna be yeah if it's just a squid game again

[01:08:52] so like we've seen that if it's just him versus the organization that doesn't sound that interesting

[01:08:58] so um it's gonna have to really come up with some creative yeah be interesting if they could

[01:09:05] explore a new theme that we're not seeing or just yeah take on some different perspective or

[01:09:11] something that we're not expecting maybe in the hunter games they put them back into the hunter

[01:09:18] games environment like they found a pretext to put them all back into the games and um and i

[01:09:24] thought it was pretty well done and the second time around was pretty clever but it still is

[01:09:29] and is interesting as the first time the kind of is the same thing yeah yeah yeah all right let's

[01:09:36] move on some notes yeah David um so we have the moment in the squid game of the knife through

[01:09:44] Gehun's hand i thought that was a good movie call out that's kind of a famous image from the god

[01:09:51] father work abroad see when they stab him through the hand on the bar and also was reprised in

[01:09:58] blood simple and and while she gets the the knife through the hand it's probably another movies too

[01:10:04] but i like that it makes sense when somebody's coming at you with the knife you block him with your hand

[01:10:11] yeah you can do your hand and your face right um so here's one jason how you say we've kind

[01:10:18] of talked about several times but um we finally get a wide shot of the fully empty dorm uh in this

[01:10:26] one with no bugs in it and all of the games painted on the wall you were going to go back i think

[01:10:32] i'm looking at whether they were all there at the beginning were you able to determine that

[01:10:37] uh no but now that you mention it i do remember last week that the squid game was there

[01:10:46] it was yeah so yeah that's an interesting one like if they just thought to move the

[01:10:51] bunks they could have gotten a lot of clues about what these games were gonna be

[01:10:55] which they absolutely would have done yeah which they absolutely would have done um i even wanted

[01:11:02] also to mention the soundtrack um which i thought was absolutely fantastic um i think the most

[01:11:10] consistent thing about great shows is they all have great music uh if you don't have that you

[01:11:17] can't create the emotional landscape and the right mood at each moment um and this show really did

[01:11:23] it so the score for this series um was composed by jung j j yol um probably pronouncing that

[01:11:31] incorrectly but that's uh doing my best uh was his television debut he also famously did the

[01:11:38] music for parasite could be that one that best picture on a great movie similar themes i think

[01:11:43] to you're right that you need good music but some are just exceptional and i like lost is the one

[01:11:50] that stands out the most to me but this is right close to that for me too i think it's so good

[01:11:56] i thought it was really great so uh two collaborators park menu and um king kim sum su under the

[01:12:04] stage name 23 uh did some of the additional music but the um the main person did most of the

[01:12:12] the cues in its pre-unique music it didn't really remind me of any other show i thought it was

[01:12:17] pretty original uh but just great and fairly varied too yeah

[01:12:32] so

[01:12:46] all right so just one thing in the news i've been saving this talks a little bit about season two

[01:12:53] um radio times dot com had an article speculated about when we'd see season two they said it started

[01:13:00] filming last summer 2023 and that since filming for season one lasted 10 months and season two

[01:13:09] supposed to be bigger in scale then we shouldn't expect scene two until late this year at the earliest

[01:13:15] but hopefully it'll be then do we know did um the writer's strike or the the actor's strike did

[01:13:22] that have any bearing i don't think it did since it saw like korean production i think yeah

[01:13:28] yeah so i don't think it had an impact i mean i did wonder if what one thing they could do to really

[01:13:35] switch things up is to have it in another country but i don't think they're doing that i think the

[01:13:40] actors from what i've seen the names all sound korean or at least asian you know uh i think most

[01:13:48] koreans have that hyphenated um given name so anyway the article reposted a note that writer

[01:13:56] director huang dong yuk shared on social media last year in 2022 i guess it said a whole new round

[01:14:04] is coming it took 12 years to bring the first season of squid game to life last year but it took

[01:14:09] 12 days for squid game to become the most popular Netflix series ever as the writer director and

[01:14:15] producer of squid game a huge shout out to fans around the world thank you for watching and loving

[01:14:20] our show you're all horses to me now i'm just getting like he said and now gehun returns the frontman

[01:14:30] returns season two is coming the man in the suit with the dock jie might be back he'll also be

[01:14:36] introduced to young he's boyfriend chul su you know young he is i just looked it up it's the doll

[01:14:43] in red light green light he says join us once more for a whole new round huang dong yuk director

[01:14:51] writer and executive producer of squid game wow so the doll has a boyfriend i don't trust him

[01:15:03] so that's interesting i wondered if the uh the handsome recruiter guy was going to show up

[01:15:09] that's a big role that sounds like it could be true yes please

[01:15:15] also i noticed at the end of the um show where they said um you know he calls the number and

[01:15:22] they say uh just get on that plane it's for your own good yeah it's like man they have eyes on

[01:15:27] this guy i know well he's got the tracker right he's got the implanted tracker

[01:15:32] what they remember that they scanned yeah they scanned but are they watching him all the time

[01:15:39] i mean i thought maybe it was because he just talked to the guy chasing the recruiter maybe it

[01:15:45] was in the subway right near the airport or something i don't know he's got the tracker and he's

[01:15:49] being tracked all the time i'm convinced of it i think that is i think that's going to be something

[01:15:55] that they're gonna have to bring up next time is yeah dude has a tracker good point you have to dig it

[01:16:01] and that's how they knew when he was drinking uh on uh by the river um like worry was uh that's

[01:16:07] getting all hiding the woman selling the flower came to him needs to get a tracker on i am glad you came

[01:16:12] on caring you're welcome uh care would you like to read our listener feedback message sure it's

[01:16:26] from Becky Fender Anderson who writes i'd already seen it and hadn't planned on watching it again

[01:16:32] i ended up doing so except for episodes one and four and i'm glad i did there were a lot of stuff i'd

[01:16:39] forgotten about and stuff i'd missed thanks for encouraging us to rewatch my biggest hope for season two

[01:16:45] is the same great storytelling happens me too there was a lot of good that happened in season one uh to

[01:16:54] set up a great season two and i hope that they make that work without going over the top when i

[01:17:00] finished it for the first time and saw he was returning to the game it was a bit of an eye roll for me

[01:17:05] but after listening to the pod and rewatching i'm excited as always great job on the pod and enjoyed it

[01:17:11] and can't wait to journey through season two with y'all thanks Becky why did Becky skip season

[01:17:18] bit or episode four i was the tug of war yeah yeah that that's a good one i don't

[01:17:25] it did seem because when he called the number back they asked him his name and age

[01:17:32] and he said it like he was going to sign up again you know and then they figured out

[01:17:39] that he was geehun if they didn't already know yeah i don't think they didn't know i don't know

[01:17:45] anyway um but i think for a second there i thought is he just going to sign up again but he didn't

[01:17:49] like i i don't know becky if you thought he was just going back to play in the games again although

[01:17:55] who knows maybe he will like i said earlier but i i don't think they want him back they told him

[01:18:00] just good on that plane if you know it's good fun yeah no play dude yeah that doesn't sound

[01:18:04] like the front man on the phone and i don't think the front man would be taking all of the

[01:18:12] phone calls anyway but they must have a i figured they have a computer but a big database

[01:18:18] you know whoever answers the phone puts in the um call like the date of birth and the day and

[01:18:22] it's like oh player 4.5.5.6 right right all right so we have a few calls and they're quite lengthy

[01:18:33] so cool people wanted to get involved jenny from saskatoon who's now actually a part of the

[01:18:39] podcast network and his awesome called and here's your call

[01:18:46] hello there is good game winners see we made it to the end so we're the winners uh jenny from

[01:18:51] saskatoon here i'm just calling with a few observations that the as the show wraps up um number one

[01:19:00] i i thought the whole season how if this was an english language show or if it would set in

[01:19:09] a western country and we heard the people's names we kind of know like a code as to who they are

[01:19:16] so like for instance in walking dead when you meet murl and daryl jixon you kind of know

[01:19:23] what their history is like we kind of know where they're from what they're about

[01:19:28] so the short form of name so if a character is named mage versus margaret versus britney um we kind

[01:19:37] of know it's the way storytellers can tell us things without telling us things and we have no idea

[01:19:42] with the names that are korean so be interesting to talk to someone who's korean and they can tell us

[01:19:46] if those names are signifiers in some way so but that was uh an observation to be made also kind

[01:19:52] of like when i watch scandinavian shows and they show people with a kia furniture and i know

[01:19:57] what a kia furniture means in north america but i don't know what it means in scandinavia um like

[01:20:04] the prisons are a kia and i don't know what that means anyway the cultural code is not there in

[01:20:11] anyway okay another observation i had was um when oh god what's his name now i've gone on about names

[01:20:21] i can't remember his name sanwoo the friend um when gihun drops off the little boy to

[01:20:30] uh san was mom he says this is the money i owed your son and it isn't but to me or it is if he says

[01:20:40] he's like paying for his life or whatever and he's doing it to pay for the kid but i like to support

[01:20:48] the child and the mother but to me it doesn't she's the kind of mother who would save it for her son

[01:20:56] like she's like a devoted mother she doesn't know her son has died and so i just think she's

[01:21:02] gonna hold on to it and not spend it so i wish he'd said this is from your child this is from your

[01:21:08] son he wants you to use it for yourself anyway because i just feel like she's a kind of devoted

[01:21:13] mother who will not spend it on herself um if she thinks it's her sons and uh the other question

[01:21:19] Jason was who would you defend more sanwoo or mark sarikusa okay goodbye

[01:21:34] so that's um she met matt sarikusa who's a character in the show yellow jackets

[01:21:41] uh he you guys haven't seen that right nope he uh he's this police officer who's investigating

[01:21:50] killing and he pretends to be romantically interested in the 17 year old daughter of the woman who

[01:21:59] he thinks killed someone in order to get information from her and um and he's right she she did kill

[01:22:05] someone and um so i i kind of um said that he was morally ambiguous there and a lot of people a

[01:22:16] lot of people didn't like that that i would not just be totally against him and uh i think sangwoo's

[01:22:23] similar like some things about him i could understand but some things not i would stand at more

[01:22:30] for matt and yellow jackets than i would sangwoo because sangwoo killed someone say be

[01:22:37] like that's bad you know so that's worse than i mean i don't think i i don't think it's right for

[01:22:43] matt to mess around with girls young girls emotions in order to get information even if it is

[01:22:50] about a murder but i don't think that's as serious as killing someone and i would say sangwoo

[01:22:56] multiple someone's and he committed a bunch of crimes to get in this situation yeah so he may have

[01:23:03] some redeeming qualities but he's not got him that ux yeah i agree i agree with that also um she said

[01:23:11] uh jiny said that um it would have been better um if um jian had given the money and said this is

[01:23:20] from your son to um sangwoo's mom and i think that would have given her false hope

[01:23:27] that he was still alive i think it was kinder for uh jihun to not give her false hope that he was

[01:23:34] still alive i think she does hope he's alive though still but yeah even more i mean if he really wanted

[01:23:42] her to spend it he could say this is uh from for you your son's dead but then there would be

[01:23:49] questions for uh yeah yeah how do you know that so yeah that's the situation i think it's it's terrible

[01:23:58] for um i just read a book about about missing hikers on the on the pacific crest trail and um the

[01:24:06] agony that families go through when they it's called ambiguous loss and when you don't know

[01:24:13] what happened to somebody it is absolutely excruciating for families when they have ambiguous

[01:24:19] loss it's like the death goes on and on there's no ending um so it would be much much kinder to

[01:24:28] think about it and figure out some way use some of that money to figure out a way to um the letter

[01:24:37] note get yes yeah i mean just leave a note

[01:24:42] yeah do something do something but let her know that he's never coming back

[01:24:48] and this was and this money is meant to enrich your life and to help raise um a little orphan

[01:24:55] who's need to make your remember sorry everything sorry jenny had one more really quick call here we go

[01:25:01] hey jenny from saskatoon here i was thinking about the um scene with the rich guys um who are all really

[01:25:12] terrible and i think that the reason it played so weirdly is because none of them was a very good actor

[01:25:21] yeah i don't know yes they got maybe they're just like i have this feeling they were just random

[01:25:30] american actors living in korea i don't know i don't know where they found them

[01:25:34] but the korean actors are so good and then they have these very not good american actors

[01:25:39] and so that's my theory is that it's not that it was overly acted or directed strange i think

[01:25:46] maybe they just weren't very good at what they were doing but that's my opinion as a non-actor

[01:25:54] i don't know maybe i shouldn't pass judgment but i just think they weren't very good okay bye

[01:26:00] i was kind of thinking that too but they were so bad but i i just feel like it was a deliberate

[01:26:06] choice because it's so good yeah everything else but i don't know could be right it could just simply

[01:26:13] be that yeah all right next call from sam i it's sam covering from kovan so i sound a little off

[01:26:22] i remember when the squid games first came out i watched it i enjoyed it and then when when

[01:26:27] i was done with this season i never touched it again and i remember i liked it but i didn't

[01:26:32] remember why i didn't watch it anymore and then when i heard pogastic was covering it i was like

[01:26:36] oh this is perfect because i always enjoy the entertainment that we watch so much more when you

[01:26:42] guys cover it so i'm like okay perfect so i'm rewatching it the podcast is amazing as usual i'm

[01:26:47] appreciating this show so much more i'm understanding the show so much more thanks to you guys

[01:26:53] and i'm watching it only the show's so well done the actors are so talented the social commentary

[01:27:00] like why don't i watch this show more and then these last few episodes have happened and i'm

[01:27:07] this is why i don't watch this show more it's so fucking depressing i mean really this is such a

[01:27:15] rough watch it's just like i mean it starts it lets us know it starts out rough but like

[01:27:20] jesus like it's just like a gut punch to the soul like it is just rough and like you Jason i kind of

[01:27:30] understood where songwoo was coming from during my second time watching the series i always agree

[01:27:35] with what he did but i'm not in a life and death situation so i have the luxury of sort of weighing

[01:27:41] the pros and cons i understand where he was coming from most of the time and honestly probably would do

[01:27:49] a lot of the similar things in his situation i gotta say life or death uh yeah so when songwoo

[01:27:57] loses the games i think it occurs to him as it did to me watching it that the games magnified some

[01:28:05] of the worst parts of him and he allowed that to he thought what helped him to survive on the outside

[01:28:12] he used inside and it got magnified so instead of using his education and his intelligence

[01:28:18] two things that jihun was so proud of him for him was always boasting about him for

[01:28:23] and he's like rather than using that to help other people in the games or you know whatever

[01:28:29] he weaponized the worst parts of him and he not only loses the games i mean he made it very far

[01:28:36] but he he loses the games ultimately so he allowed the games to change him into this monster that

[01:28:43] i'm sure he was not proud of and he sees that jihun won naive idiotic positive goofy jihun that

[01:28:53] he always looked down on as weak or whatever he won and not only did he win the games

[01:29:00] he was still the same person more or less as when he started out and we know that because he tries

[01:29:07] to end the games without getting the money you tries to save songwoo's life rather than take

[01:29:13] the money which is something songwoo would never do so i think songwoo realizes how much the

[01:29:18] games have changed him and i don't think he finds that acceptable and i think there's also a part

[01:29:24] of him that wants jihun like hey you've earned this like you're still a good person and you've earned

[01:29:29] it and like you can kind of tell because he goes back he follows jihun back to their childhood where

[01:29:34] he says like i remember our moms used to call us and in there and that'll never happen again

[01:29:41] and then he kills himself and i'm like oh the show and so it's and then you know he sees that he's

[01:29:47] come so far from any sort of person that he ever wanted to be and you know jihun's crying as

[01:29:54] such awful crying as poor guy and then this poor guy goes home to his mom and is like just looking

[01:29:59] for any little bit of comfort his mom's dead and he finds her dead body and i was like oh fuck

[01:30:06] this show oh my god and then he just curls up next to her just touching her arm trying to get

[01:30:11] any bit of comfort after this nightmare his life has been after surviving 400 people's murders

[01:30:18] in front of him so yeah it was just really like a rough show and also i'm tuning in for season 2

[01:30:26] i'll be watching it from first night from our night whatever it is it's so well done and if

[01:30:31] there's a show that can make me feel something um i'm definitely gonna watch it so i'm trying to

[01:30:35] bum the the coverage is done for now but sorry this is so long and i just really wanted to say how

[01:30:40] much i appreciate the podcast oh thank you it's really nice to hear sorry we subjected to that

[01:30:50] i hope you feel better soon yeah i didn't talk about the mother dying and i was just gonna say

[01:30:56] it's it's a tragic irony i think on a couple levels one that she was sort of in that position

[01:31:03] in part because of jihun's irresponsibility that put them in so much debt that she had to work

[01:31:08] herself to death and two he was off trying to make money to help her and if he would have been

[01:31:15] home then maybe could have helped her you know got into the hospital or something i don't know

[01:31:20] i thought it was pretty clear that she was gonna die before he went back to the squeak game no

[01:31:24] matter what yeah she couldn't afford the operation and her foot looked bad yeah she was in bad shape

[01:31:33] yeah yeah but it was only a week you know if he could have had the money sooner maybe could have

[01:31:41] helped her maybe somehow i i think they implied that she'd been sick for quite a long time and

[01:31:46] concealing it from him because that's what moms do well that was a great message Sam thank you so

[01:31:55] much all right we have one more and it's from Greg who says okay i went way along and if you

[01:32:02] want to cut some out or just mention points i had i'm good with it it was more a series of

[01:32:06] thoughts i had on the series rather than the episode but since i hadn't left any feedback

[01:32:09] and i'm still a couple podcasts behind i just went for it you guys have been great breaking this show

[01:32:14] down thank you for that and here is Greg's full six minute message hello squid game cast uh this is Greg

[01:32:22] and i have not contacted you guys at all for this because i never watched it until this watch

[01:32:30] through so i had some thoughts i just finished so one i i really did enjoy the show it's not

[01:32:39] necessarily my type of show the gory the violence it didn't really bother me some of the emotional

[01:32:46] aspects of it were a little a little rough but anyway so see here some of my thoughts so i'm

[01:32:54] just responding from the VIPs on um so uh doxu and hann minyo i thought that his his

[01:33:04] ending was fitting i'll be honest i kind of lost track of how many games there had been so i didn't

[01:33:10] realize that the glass bridge was game number five and there was only one game left but uh i was

[01:33:16] just i guess it just goes to the i guess it's held by the level of storytelling that i really

[01:33:22] you know the whole goal of the game was to get to the through six and i just had no i had no idea how

[01:33:28] many their word or how many have been completed um so uh i had kind of when i was watching gandu

[01:33:36] kind of similarities to you know spoilers from something 20 years ago saw where the uh

[01:33:45] when the old man was not visibly shot on screen that he might show up again and i felt a little

[01:33:53] bit validated because i've been sucker punched by so many other tv shows and i suck so horribly at

[01:33:58] guessing what's happening or theorizing or whatever um and and none of that like i felt gratified

[01:34:05] at the end i was like oh cool i it was awesome that i got it right it didn't affect my uh my

[01:34:11] judgment of the show it didn't affect how how good of a storytelling or the quality of storytelling i

[01:34:17] thought i was like oh man they telegraphed it and i thought it was i thought it was good um

[01:34:23] and then i also a couple of episodes back uh theorize that maybe inho was the frontman uh you know

[01:34:30] okay you win five years ago six years ago and you know eventually you you come back because

[01:34:38] uh reasons whatever reasons there may be especially in a a a place where you have all this money now

[01:34:45] and uh you don't know what to do with it kind of what uh inho was no not inho i don't know the old guy

[01:34:53] he was he was talking about at the end um when when you got home and uh when gihun got home

[01:35:02] and found that his mother had had died it was very reminiscent of the running man

[01:35:08] again spoilers from a book from 40 years ago um but uh you know the guy goes through an entire or

[01:35:15] deal to save his uh for money for his uh his wife and child and it turns out that like two days into

[01:35:22] the month-long event uh his somebody had broken in to steal something and killed his wife and daughter

[01:35:30] and i was like man this is this is tough the one thing that i did

[01:35:36] hard have a really hard time with is the the fact that gihun

[01:35:42] was turned turned away from his daughter like i love the fact that he went and helped out

[01:35:47] say biyx uh brother and connected him with singhu's mother and gave them you know some means to

[01:35:56] have a good life um but walking away from your daughter and i but i like i i understand that

[01:36:03] i thought that the twist that he was basically not willing to be the cause of singhu's death

[01:36:10] um i feel like this entire ordeal i mean i say i feel like but it's funny because you know

[01:36:15] the entire last 40 minutes of the episode was him dealing with it the entire ordeal has affected him

[01:36:21] significantly as it would anybody um but you know to spend an entire year still living in relative

[01:36:28] squalor when you have the access to to that much money it it kind of goes to show the level of his

[01:36:36] character and i i mean i i definitely liked him more at the end when he was uh almost a man on a

[01:36:44] mission a man with a vendetta than i did in that first episode where he you know it basically

[01:36:50] was like a broken man just not even addicted to the to the to the thrill of betting or of gambling

[01:37:00] but uh looking back and hearing his story it's more getting those small wins and the fact that he

[01:37:08] now has a mission in life and is it is told that don't don't come back here get on the plane

[01:37:15] and he's like oh these motherfuckers are still keeping tabs on me hell no

[01:37:19] and he's gonna go do uh something uh i i've heard about uh season two or maybe i think

[01:37:25] a season two of this maybe not the the challenge um but what i would love to hear about would be

[01:37:31] uh a prequel and uh like i'd love to see a prequel to squid game and see maybe in ho

[01:37:39] in hose year or uh you know if you did like a sequence of prequels this year and then

[01:37:46] you five years earlier five years earlier five years earlier anyway i know i weighed long on

[01:37:51] this and if you need to cut some out by all means do so thanks bye thanks Greg

[01:37:57] thanks Greg i think a prequel could be cool maybe just like a little movie or not a whole season

[01:38:05] you know i don't know or maybe a whole season i wouldn't mind an interesting prequel i think they

[01:38:09] could do a good job um i love what Greg said about the daughter i completely forgot about her

[01:38:16] poor thing what do you think about that about him leaving not going to see his daughter

[01:38:24] i thought about that too it's like out let her down again yeah i know i'm saving the world

[01:38:30] dad yeah she probably probably not even gonna be surprised sadly and he didn't even that's

[01:38:40] another thing he didn't do for a year when he could have yeah go see his daughter so i hope

[01:38:46] that comes back into the story too me too yeah i i think it's hard to do a prequel really well

[01:38:54] but they could do some prequel elements like to both of your points either one episode or

[01:38:59] some flashback or that'd be cool reveal some stuff i think shows that try to do an entire prequel

[01:39:05] it's really difficult to do because a you know the outcome and b it's not the characters you love

[01:39:10] different actors so just hire Vince Gilligan and you'll be fine yes always hire Vince Gilligan if he can

[01:39:29] all right that is our show thanks so much for listening everybody to our coverage of

[01:39:35] squid game season one i'm glad david that you wanted to do it and that karen you wanted to come

[01:39:40] and guest it was blast super fun got a lot more out of the show from this um we really appreciate

[01:39:48] you guys listening along with us and if you watched it for the first time and you're still listening

[01:39:55] i presumed you've forgiven us and so thank you thank you for getting us um we hope to be back on

[01:40:03] for season two whenever it comes out so keep us in your feeds and in the meantime maybe check out

[01:40:08] some of our other shows at podcastgood.com i was thinking about dark intelligent shows that people

[01:40:13] who like squid game might like yellow jackets handmaid's tail all the mic flanagan shows on Netflix

[01:40:21] like follow the house of usher midnight mass haunted reveal house those are all on uh strange

[01:40:25] indeed covered by rema and pake and of course we have our long running walking dead podcasts where

[01:40:31] we're doing a rewatch right now i also want to mention since jenny ryan called in that we started

[01:40:36] a new zombie improv podcast called welcome to the apocalypse has a ton of fun should check that out

[01:40:42] karen nice and uh yeah just remember that you won't have as much fun watching as you will

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