8: "A Fair World" (Squid Game S1E5)

[00:00:00] 응? 아!

[00:00:02] 어?

[00:00:04] Podcastica

[00:00:08] 이소, 니 형 찾는 건 내가 도와줄게

[00:00:12] 어?

[00:00:13] 이 잔 딥한 돈

[00:00:15] 니 형도 다 죽게 진짜

[00:00:19] 니가 한 팀이 되면은 내

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[00:00:54] 안녕하세요 여러분

[00:00:55] 안녕하세요, 제이

[00:01:24] 1, strategy, and sangwoo's quick thinking

[00:01:27] anticipating another riot they build a barricade

[00:01:30] and spend the night taking turns on guard

[00:01:32] but Duxu's team does not attack.

[00:01:35] Gehun Reminisces on a similar situation,

[00:01:37] well, Reminisces, that's kind of a weird word.

[00:01:39] 10 years ago, more like flashes back

[00:01:43] when he and many other workers

[00:01:46] from an automobile factory protested a mass layoff

[00:01:49] which caused the failed trajectory of Gehun's life.

[00:01:53] 2, 40 tune attempts to be friend say B.O.E.k.

[00:01:57] that's uh, what does her name, Gehun?

[00:02:00] But she does not reciprocate.

[00:02:02] Jeunho lashes the organ harvesting racket

[00:02:05] as the guard whose identity he stole took part in it.

[00:02:09] Player 111 turns, the doctor guy

[00:02:11] turns on the raccochers

[00:02:13] when the guards are unable to tell him

[00:02:14] what the next game is.

[00:02:16] except jeunho everyone involved in the racket

[00:02:18] is eventually killed including player 111.

[00:02:22] 이

[00:02:36] 이 첫 말은 1999년에

[00:02:39] Well, there was

[00:02:40] It said something about

[00:02:42] 2015 was the 28th Games

[00:02:46] Gotcha

[00:02:47] Yeah, it would make it 1988 would be the first year

[00:02:50] if it was yearly every time

[00:02:53] and that is elder brother Hoang In Ho

[00:02:55] was the winner in 2015

[00:03:00] Well I think we are in the present day

[00:03:03] and we do see Roasters pass 2015

[00:03:05] 그래서 더 than 30년이 되었습니다.

[00:03:08] 네, 맞아요.

[00:03:09] 좋은 점이 되었습니다.

[00:03:10] 28년 전, 2015년,

[00:03:13] 네, 네, 네.

[00:03:15] 네, 네, 네.

[00:03:16] 감사합니다.

[00:03:17] 그래서

[00:03:19] 또 다른 게 어떻게 생각나요?

[00:03:20] 네, 그래서 네,

[00:03:21] 우리가 in the current year,

[00:03:22] 제가 봤을 때

[00:03:24] 기훈의 영향은 2020년에

[00:03:26] 이 show가 되었습니다.

[00:03:28] 2021년에

[00:03:30] 그래서

[00:03:31] 그런데 이 show가 20년에 20년에 되었습니다.

[00:03:33] 그리고

[00:03:46] 며칠은 안정돼요.

[00:03:48] 그리고, 또 다른

[00:04:00] 이 영상은

[00:04:13] 모든 것들이 굉장히 인정하고

[00:04:27] 또는, 저는 많이

[00:04:41] 더 많은 것들은 더 많이

[00:04:56] ung

[00:05:00] 음

[00:05:00] I

[00:05:01] barely remembered any of this show I

[00:05:03] this episode I only remembered the end of the tug-of-war

[00:05:06] I didn't remember anything else, I can't think of anything else

[00:05:09] I remembered

[00:05:10] but I did- I was like you

[00:05:12] I thought it was thrilling and

[00:05:13] I liked watching

[00:05:14] June

[00:05:15] I feel like it was

[00:05:16] pretty much centered on June Ho

[00:05:19] and his mission

[00:05:20] and I'm actually more into that

[00:05:22] I think this time, for some reason

[00:05:24] 그 다음은 제가 봤을 때 처음에

[00:05:38] policing the episodic which theymost take you away from our main characters

[00:05:43] or for the highest percentage of the

[00:05:46] episode yeah so far and I have found

[00:05:49] I've kinda lost track now of what

[00:05:52] I remembered from my first watch because now I've watched all these episodes like three or four times with various gaps

[00:06:00] So that's all running together but

[00:06:03] And we'll talk about this when we get into the points

[00:06:06] 근데 제가

[00:06:20] 자,

[00:06:33] 그 사람은 항상

[00:06:46] 상상한다고.

[00:06:48] 안 멈추를.

[00:06:50] 안 멈추를 못.

[00:06:51] 그리고 그 다음에

[00:06:52] 제 멈추기 때문에

[00:07:02] 인사하고,

[00:07:04] 저는 호대의 사람은

[00:07:06] 안 담아서,

[00:07:08] 그게 무슨 말이야?

[00:07:10] 그는

[00:07:24] 요기 시작해 since we started on it already which is the organ stealing scheme

[00:07:45] 그리고

[00:07:59] 아이콘이의

[00:08:13] 저는, 아마 인사에 대한

[00:08:26] 그는

[00:08:39] 두 분의

[00:09:01] 그래서

[00:09:14] 우리

[00:09:28] 그 자리에

[00:09:43] 전자에 관한 이 시즌이

[00:10:04] 중간에

[00:10:19] 내가

[00:10:34] 왜냐하면

[00:10:48] 그래서 내가

[00:11:02] 그는요.

[00:11:03] 그게 지금

[00:11:16] 근데 이 시즌이

[00:11:31] 근데 he doesn't handle the stress well at all

[00:11:34] No

[00:11:35] I mean not as you would expect a surgeon to do so

[00:11:39] Yeah

[00:11:40] So

[00:11:41] and now this is a point that has been brought up among us in past episodes

[00:11:50] but it also they make it pretty clear that this is not the first squid game

[00:11:57] and not the first time all this has gone on

[00:12:00] it's just two complex

[00:12:01] I mean escape tunnels diving, the security system

[00:12:05] the manipulation of everything going on

[00:12:07] the number of people involved

[00:12:09] it all points to procedures that have been repeated

[00:12:13] and you know probably mostly

[00:12:16] although it's messy but kind of perfected like they have to do it every time

[00:12:20] Yeah

[00:12:21] And also like you know of course we know for sure

[00:12:24] because we see the records saying how far the squid games have gone back

[00:12:28] but one thing that happened in the context of what you're saying

[00:12:32] they're all in there in the operation room or operating room

[00:12:36] and they're kind of having a bit session about the pitfalls of organ harvesting

[00:12:41] in a squid game environment

[00:12:43] and it kind of reminded me of anyone in any job complaining

[00:12:46] but they're like man this one body had only one kidney

[00:12:49] and we only got paid we got paid less than we were supposed to

[00:12:52] and that one stupid game where they shot everybody with a sniper rifle

[00:12:56] that screwed it up for us

[00:12:57] hardly any salvage anything

[00:12:59] but that's the point I wanted to make

[00:13:00] they were talking about red light green light

[00:13:02] like everyone in red light green light got shot in the head by a sniper

[00:13:05] and we couldn't salvage anything

[00:13:07] and that made me wonder if they were like

[00:13:09] why'd they have to play that game like maybe the games change

[00:13:12] that made me think the games do change each time

[00:13:15] and that would make sense for a couple of reasons one

[00:13:18] because if they're they are going to do a season two

[00:13:20] and they would want to freshen it up for us

[00:13:22] but two I mean same thing in in story

[00:13:25] if there's people betting on these games and watching them

[00:13:29] they might want to freshen it up for them too you know

[00:13:32] make it more interesting each year

[00:13:34] yeah for sure I think that's a good inference from that

[00:13:37] because it did sound there like that wasn't the norm

[00:13:41] yeah like they weren't used to their

[00:13:44] their potential patients getting shot in the head

[00:13:48] with a sniper rifle

[00:13:50] so these were the two details I had missed earlier

[00:13:54] or two of the details that I missed

[00:13:56] the other ones are spoilery

[00:13:58] so we could talk about those at the end

[00:14:01] but one of them was the doctor says

[00:14:07] organs were ruined in the last time at quoting him

[00:14:12] it's because you put someone alive on the operating table

[00:14:15] everything went to shit when he woke up and started struggling

[00:14:19] and I didn't catch that detail before that he said he

[00:14:23] which means that this whole story later about it was a woman

[00:14:27] and blah blah blah is probably made up and untrue

[00:14:30] they're talking about the same person there?

[00:14:32] yes okay

[00:14:33] yeah because June Hosea's what happened to the zombie

[00:14:36] and then that was my brother even though it wasn't

[00:14:39] and the guys' defenses know it was a woman

[00:14:41] so I think the last time I watch

[00:14:44] I'm like oh he made that whole story up

[00:14:46] because it's another translation thing

[00:14:50] it could be

[00:14:51] it could be

[00:14:52] but you're brother right yeah

[00:14:54] because here's the thing is

[00:14:56] because there's a lot of trust issues in this episode

[00:15:01] and one encounter is when June Hosea

[00:15:06] when he has this guy at gunpoint

[00:15:09] and he thinks that he killed his brother

[00:15:12] because his brother gave June Hosea a kidney

[00:15:16] and this guy had said this zombie guy

[00:15:18] that had killed had only one kidney

[00:15:21] and then the guys start saying

[00:15:23] like you can go right over there

[00:15:25] in the records room right over there

[00:15:27] and that's also where the leader is

[00:15:30] and you can find out for sure

[00:15:32] and I will give you all the money from our operation

[00:15:35] just pleading for his life

[00:15:36] and it sounded like he was just making up a bunch of garbage

[00:15:39] right

[00:15:40] and I think June Hosea thought so too

[00:15:42] and shot him in the face

[00:15:43] but then it turned out that there was a records room

[00:15:46] I don't know if it was exactly where he said

[00:15:47] but it was also where the leader was

[00:15:49] well I don't think he thought

[00:15:50] he was making that all up

[00:15:52] I think that guy was throwing anything at the wall

[00:15:57] yeah

[00:15:58] but the thing is

[00:16:00] he was saying all that stuff

[00:16:02] and I thought

[00:16:03] he just says anything to stay alive

[00:16:05] but it all turned out to be true I think

[00:16:08] so that's what maybe think

[00:16:09] oh maybe his story about this woman was also true

[00:16:11] but now you're saying they said he's so

[00:16:13] maybe that was all right

[00:16:14] yeah at least in the translation I saw

[00:16:16] it was pretty clear

[00:16:18] that no he made that a lot

[00:16:19] and to take it a point further

[00:16:23] June Hosea is very observant

[00:16:25] I mean he's a cop

[00:16:26] but he's a pretty observant guy

[00:16:27] so it made me even wonder if he caught that

[00:16:30] and he knew the guy was lying

[00:16:32] because he was in the room

[00:16:34] when the doctor said that

[00:16:36] I honestly think he kills him

[00:16:38] not just because he's such an odious character

[00:16:42] but I think June Hosea knows well

[00:16:44] if he leaves the sky alive

[00:16:45] then he's not gonna get out of their life

[00:16:47] I got him to try him

[00:16:48] he'll kill him

[00:16:49] something's gonna happen

[00:16:50] same reason

[00:16:51] June Hosea killed the first one that he killed

[00:16:53] and took his place

[00:16:54] yeah

[00:16:54] there's no alternative really

[00:16:58] the other thing I did not catch

[00:17:00] the first time I watched this episode

[00:17:03] even though it's actually pretty clear

[00:17:04] but I missed it

[00:17:06] is I really thought the doctor

[00:17:08] was freaking out

[00:17:10] about knowing what the next day's game is

[00:17:14] so he would know what the next day's game is

[00:17:17] and he was afraid of going into the game

[00:17:18] not knowing what it was

[00:17:19] but I realized this time

[00:17:21] it's not so much of that

[00:17:22] it's that

[00:17:23] he realizes

[00:17:25] he's worried

[00:17:26] he's gonna get killed overnight

[00:17:29] and he needs that information to trade

[00:17:31] to keep himself alive

[00:17:34] with Ducksu and those other guys

[00:17:36] I didn't think about that

[00:17:38] and that's why he won't accept

[00:17:41] like oh we'll tell you right before it starts

[00:17:43] he's like no I need to know now

[00:17:44] if they're gonna kill me an air tonight

[00:17:46] I mean

[00:17:46] I don't blame him for being insistent

[00:17:48] because he's risking his life

[00:17:51] helping these guys

[00:17:53] and he just needs some sleep

[00:17:54] you know

[00:17:55] and if he's not gonna get his part

[00:17:58] the only thing he's getting out of it

[00:17:59] is that information

[00:18:00] and so if they're gonna dick him around

[00:18:02] with that then fuck those guys

[00:18:03] but you're right

[00:18:04] like he's to the point where he's gonna hold a shiv

[00:18:07] to this guy's throat

[00:18:08] or whatever surgical implement

[00:18:10] that makes a lot of sense

[00:18:11] what you just said

[00:18:12] I mean it did even occur to me

[00:18:14] that he could have lied

[00:18:15] he could have gone back into the dormitory

[00:18:17] and said

[00:18:19] hey Ducksu

[00:18:20] I know what it is

[00:18:20] but I'm not telling you till the morning

[00:18:22] you gotta keep me alive

[00:18:23] and he could have played it a little bit

[00:18:26] or he could have said

[00:18:27] it's tidley weeks

[00:18:29] yeah I mean

[00:18:29] what he ends up doing

[00:18:30] is panicking

[00:18:31] and he gets everybody killed

[00:18:33] including himself

[00:18:34] yeah

[00:18:35] he really was not his best self

[00:18:37] I sort of identified

[00:18:38] when you haven't had a lot of sleep

[00:18:40] he just looked bad

[00:18:43] and he was on a short

[00:18:44] you know, fused and everything

[00:18:46] yeah

[00:18:47] but anyway

[00:18:48] so this whole thing was just kind of a little detail

[00:18:50] earlier

[00:18:51] and we get a deep dive

[00:18:52] into this

[00:18:53] totally sorted scheme

[00:18:56] and it was pretty interesting

[00:18:59] so

[00:19:00] alright

[00:19:01] so you think the story

[00:19:02] about the woman was just made up

[00:19:04] and that they don't actually do that

[00:19:07] we just don't know right

[00:19:09] that's what I took out of it

[00:19:10] I took out of it

[00:19:11] that he was lying

[00:19:12] when he said that

[00:19:13] doesn't mean they didn't do it other times

[00:19:15] I know

[00:19:15] I mean it came into his head

[00:19:17] that story

[00:19:18] yeah, the fact that it came into his head

[00:19:19] it just made me look at all these guys differently

[00:19:22] I mean already they're in an organ harvesting situation

[00:19:25] so

[00:19:26] it's a little sketchy

[00:19:28] at least

[00:19:29] but

[00:19:30] that just made me think

[00:19:31] okay, these guys are all

[00:19:33] depraved

[00:19:34] you know, just

[00:19:36] despicable people

[00:19:37] but we don't really know for sure I guess

[00:19:39] if whether that happened or not

[00:19:42] you get the idea that the soldiers at least

[00:19:45] like the frontman seems a little more sophisticated

[00:19:48] but that the soldiers

[00:19:49] the guard

[00:19:49] the security part at least

[00:19:51] are kind of

[00:19:52] thuggish

[00:19:53] criminal element

[00:19:54] I mean look at what they have to do in there

[00:19:57] like who are you going to recruit

[00:19:59] that's going to do that stuff and not care

[00:20:01] yeah, good point

[00:20:02] another thing we kind of learned

[00:20:05] about the whole operation is

[00:20:07] maybe they weren't as lie as they thought

[00:20:09] about keeping it from the higher ups

[00:20:11] because when

[00:20:14] the frontman just kind of appears

[00:20:16] after one of those triangle guys

[00:20:19] is having a conflict with this doctor

[00:20:22] and he's about to kill him

[00:20:24] and the frontman shoots him

[00:20:25] and then says

[00:20:28] I don't care if you want to

[00:20:29] sell the organs of these bodies

[00:20:31] or eat them or whatever

[00:20:33] you know

[00:20:34] what's important to me is that the games are equal

[00:20:36] and he was mad because he had told

[00:20:38] the doctor

[00:20:39] what the game was going to be

[00:20:40] so

[00:20:41] sounded like maybe he already knew about it

[00:20:45] I'm not sure about that

[00:20:47] but

[00:20:48] he already knew about it

[00:20:49] but they were just turning blind eye to it

[00:20:50] because they don't care

[00:20:52] you know

[00:20:52] or if they just found out

[00:20:53] and if he was being truthful

[00:20:55] then still could have been

[00:20:56] the kind of thing that they would turn blind eye to

[00:20:59] yeah

[00:21:00] interesting and I'm not sure either

[00:21:04] it's hard to believe

[00:21:05] that that would have gone on

[00:21:06] for a really long time

[00:21:08] with nobody finding out about it

[00:21:11] yeah

[00:21:11] but on the other hand

[00:21:12] maybe they feel like

[00:21:13] hey these give these guys an outlet

[00:21:15] to make a little money on the side

[00:21:17] and they'll you know

[00:21:19] they'll do their thing

[00:21:20] yeah exactly

[00:21:21] yeah

[00:21:22] if it just

[00:21:23] if it doesn't harm anything

[00:21:25] and it actually keeps them

[00:21:27] from like uprising

[00:21:28] or something

[00:21:29] it might actually be a benefit

[00:21:30] right to let it go on

[00:21:34] all right cool

[00:21:35] let's see

[00:21:36] my first one is

[00:21:39] I'll let's talk about the tug of war

[00:21:41] and the aftermath

[00:21:43] I love the intensity

[00:21:46] of when they did

[00:21:47] saying who's move

[00:21:48] of taking three steps

[00:21:50] towards the edge

[00:21:51] they're all so

[00:21:52] like

[00:21:53] uh oh no

[00:21:54] I don't know we got to do it

[00:21:55] and me and he asks

[00:21:56] no way I can't do it

[00:21:57] he goes move up or you'll die

[00:22:00] and then when they do it

[00:22:02] Geehun only has one foot

[00:22:04] on the platform

[00:22:05] and the rest of his body

[00:22:06] hanging over the edge

[00:22:07] as he's grasping the rope

[00:22:09] so pretty much as dramatic

[00:22:11] as it could be

[00:22:11] without him dying

[00:22:14] which is great

[00:22:15] and then the as you said

[00:22:16] I think he said it was electric

[00:22:17] it was really good

[00:22:18] and then the other team

[00:22:19] falls over

[00:22:20] and Geehun's team rallies

[00:22:21] and pulls them over the edge

[00:22:23] do you think that move

[00:22:24] would actually work?

[00:22:26] uh I think it actually

[00:22:28] would work to get them

[00:22:29] to fall down

[00:22:30] yeah for sure

[00:22:31] um they had to pull

[00:22:32] them quite a distance

[00:22:34] after that

[00:22:35] so that stretched

[00:22:36] the plausibility

[00:22:37] of it a little bit

[00:22:38] I felt like that too

[00:22:40] but it was still cool

[00:22:41] and um I liked how

[00:22:44] as they were pulling them off

[00:22:46] you can see on Geehun's face

[00:22:47] that he's feeling bad

[00:22:48] about it

[00:22:49] that it's horrifying

[00:22:51] to have to do that

[00:22:52] he's feeling a lot of things

[00:22:53] and then when they

[00:22:54] successfully pull them off

[00:22:55] and then seem like the

[00:22:57] Geehun team took a little bit

[00:22:58] longer to

[00:22:59] go down than it did

[00:23:00] in the other game

[00:23:02] like you're almost afraid

[00:23:04] they're going to get pulled

[00:23:05] back over the edge

[00:23:06] by the guys who've fallen

[00:23:07] over

[00:23:07] but um it goes down

[00:23:09] and they fall down too

[00:23:10] and then the camera pans

[00:23:11] over them

[00:23:11] and you see the looks on

[00:23:12] everyone's faces

[00:23:13] and the old man has that

[00:23:14] same smile he always has

[00:23:15] but everyone else

[00:23:16] seems kind of

[00:23:18] in shock about it

[00:23:20] yeah

[00:23:20] I mean

[00:23:21] I would say they seem

[00:23:22] look shattered

[00:23:23] except for him

[00:23:25] for the near death

[00:23:26] experience

[00:23:27] they went through

[00:23:27] plus they just killed 10 people

[00:23:30] yeah

[00:23:31] and not that they had a choice

[00:23:33] and um

[00:23:35] this is not about the story

[00:23:37] but the last time I watched

[00:23:39] I was like

[00:23:39] man how did they shoot that?

[00:23:41] Like even if it's

[00:23:43] on just over a blue screen

[00:23:45] or whatever

[00:23:46] they had to have 10 people

[00:23:47] like slide off

[00:23:49] this thing and swing

[00:23:50] from a rope

[00:23:51] it's pretty amazing

[00:23:52] yeah

[00:23:53] I didn't even

[00:23:54] I wasn't

[00:23:56] because the other team

[00:23:56] they all falls off

[00:23:58] and is like hanging there

[00:23:59] after I mean

[00:24:00] they shot that

[00:24:01] somehow

[00:24:02] I mean

[00:24:02] I wasn't you

[00:24:03] a lot of times

[00:24:03] I'll be thinking

[00:24:04] about that

[00:24:05] but I was so in it

[00:24:06] that I didn't even

[00:24:06] occur to me

[00:24:07] to think about it

[00:24:08] so it was well done

[00:24:08] you know

[00:24:09] yeah

[00:24:10] third time watching

[00:24:11] before that

[00:24:12] that even occurred

[00:24:13] but um

[00:24:15] that whole game

[00:24:16] was incredibly

[00:24:18] dramatic

[00:24:19] and it was pretty short

[00:24:22] like the whole

[00:24:23] talk-a-four sequence

[00:24:24] involving them

[00:24:25] was probably

[00:24:26] the shortest of any game

[00:24:28] they really could have

[00:24:29] just

[00:24:30] included that in last week's

[00:24:32] episode

[00:24:32] but

[00:24:33] they wanted to have

[00:24:34] that cliffhanger

[00:24:34] in there

[00:24:35] it was a pretty good

[00:24:36] cliffhanger

[00:24:36] a literal one

[00:24:38] it was

[00:24:39] but and then just a little bit

[00:24:40] about the aftermath

[00:24:41] which is mostly

[00:24:42] about Min-Yao

[00:24:44] so first off

[00:24:45] they come into the

[00:24:46] dorm and

[00:24:47] ducksu is

[00:24:49] maybe a little surprised

[00:24:50] and definitely not

[00:24:51] so happy to see that

[00:24:52] Min-Yao made it

[00:24:52] through the tug of war

[00:24:54] you can tell by the look

[00:24:55] on his face

[00:24:56] because he'd just be

[00:24:56] trader

[00:24:57] but then

[00:24:58] she was over with

[00:24:59] Gehun's team

[00:25:00] who I think she considers

[00:25:01] herself with now

[00:25:02] just going on

[00:25:03] and on about

[00:25:04] how cool the strategy was

[00:25:05] and at first

[00:25:06] I was like

[00:25:07] God, she's so annoying

[00:25:07] but then I kind of

[00:25:08] found it a little

[00:25:09] endearing

[00:25:10] I almost reminded me

[00:25:10] of podcasting

[00:25:11] oh what

[00:25:12] that one part

[00:25:12] was so cool

[00:25:13] and all this

[00:25:16] and then

[00:25:16] all of you

[00:25:17] you found her

[00:25:18] endearing

[00:25:18] you were a person

[00:25:19] that I

[00:25:20] I know

[00:25:21] I don't usually

[00:25:22] but

[00:25:24] I

[00:25:25] sometimes like

[00:25:26] because she

[00:25:27] I think she's a great

[00:25:28] character

[00:25:28] whether you like her or not

[00:25:30] she fills up

[00:25:31] the space

[00:25:32] kind of

[00:25:32] and she's all over

[00:25:33] the place

[00:25:34] jabbing

[00:25:35] it

[00:25:35] people

[00:25:36] and

[00:25:37] changing

[00:25:37] her

[00:25:38] vibe

[00:25:39] in order to

[00:25:40] whatever

[00:25:41] will best

[00:25:41] manipulate

[00:25:42] the situation

[00:25:42] gaslighting

[00:25:44] and

[00:25:45] I feel like I've

[00:25:46] been around people

[00:25:47] like this

[00:25:47] not quite as

[00:25:49] extreme but

[00:25:51] I've actually

[00:25:52] kind of gotten a

[00:25:52] kick out of being

[00:25:53] around people

[00:25:54] like that sometimes

[00:25:54] for short periods

[00:25:55] of time and then

[00:25:56] I've had enough

[00:25:57] I don't know

[00:25:58] that's just me

[00:25:59] I mean

[00:25:59] that's not everyone

[00:26:00] I know

[00:26:01] but

[00:26:02] anyway

[00:26:03] I loved when

[00:26:04] Ali made fun

[00:26:05] of her

[00:26:05] he's like

[00:26:06] you were the one

[00:26:07] earlier who said

[00:26:08] you didn't want

[00:26:08] to do that strategy

[00:26:10] she's like

[00:26:11] yeah was

[00:26:12] that what you heard

[00:26:13] you cried

[00:26:14] and you said

[00:26:15] but that's the

[00:26:16] it's there's no way

[00:26:17] I'll go

[00:26:18] which is so funny

[00:26:21] to see him

[00:26:22] actually stand up

[00:26:22] to someone

[00:26:23] and give a little

[00:26:23] more depth

[00:26:24] of his character

[00:26:26] yeah

[00:26:26] she's wearing

[00:26:27] everybody out

[00:26:28] and then sang

[00:26:29] woo

[00:26:30] deduces

[00:26:30] that duxie's

[00:26:31] team found

[00:26:32] out ahead

[00:26:32] of time

[00:26:33] they were

[00:26:33] going to be playing

[00:26:35] tug of war

[00:26:35] and

[00:26:36] minjow

[00:26:37] hears

[00:26:37] him say that

[00:26:38] and seems

[00:26:39] pissed

[00:26:39] knowing

[00:26:40] that he dumped

[00:26:41] her because of that

[00:26:41] which I'm sure

[00:26:42] there's more

[00:26:43] to come with that

[00:26:44] some wood

[00:26:45] is not

[00:26:45] this much

[00:26:47] yeah

[00:26:47] I mean

[00:26:48] he is definitely

[00:26:49] a strategic player

[00:26:51] he's playing

[00:26:52] the angles

[00:26:53] and he notice

[00:26:53] the stuff

[00:26:55] yeah

[00:26:55] I was impressed

[00:26:56] by that

[00:26:56] I like it

[00:26:57] when

[00:26:58] because it made sense

[00:26:59] that he would

[00:27:00] figure that out

[00:27:01] oh

[00:27:01] he chose all

[00:27:02] guys

[00:27:02] you know

[00:27:03] just

[00:27:04] kind of

[00:27:04] sus it out

[00:27:05] did you see

[00:27:06] and he kind

[00:27:06] of wanted to do

[00:27:07] that too

[00:27:08] like he thought

[00:27:09] that was the

[00:27:09] better way to go

[00:27:10] but they didn't

[00:27:11] succeed

[00:27:11] in doing it

[00:27:12] yeah

[00:27:13] and I think

[00:27:13] if he would have

[00:27:14] known that

[00:27:15] it was tug

[00:27:15] war

[00:27:16] he would have

[00:27:16] been more

[00:27:17] insistent

[00:27:17] on it

[00:27:18] you know

[00:27:18] for sure

[00:27:19] but since he didn't

[00:27:20] know for sure

[00:27:21] then he

[00:27:21] let it slide

[00:27:22] I guess

[00:27:24] but they won anyway

[00:27:24] so there you go

[00:27:26] yeah

[00:27:26] it all worked out

[00:27:27] now

[00:27:28] haha

[00:27:30] so what do you

[00:27:30] got next

[00:27:32] so

[00:27:32] let's talk about

[00:27:33] our hero

[00:27:33] Geoons

[00:27:34] journey

[00:27:35] continues

[00:27:36] through the games

[00:27:37] and through our show

[00:27:39] I think we're

[00:27:39] increasingly

[00:27:40] seeing

[00:27:41] in this

[00:27:41] episode

[00:27:42] there's more

[00:27:42] to him

[00:27:43] than meets the eye

[00:27:44] and more

[00:27:45] definitely

[00:27:45] more to him

[00:27:46] than we saw

[00:27:47] originally

[00:27:48] when he was

[00:27:49] kind of a

[00:27:49] shiftless

[00:27:50] you know

[00:27:50] good for nothing

[00:27:52] slacker

[00:27:53] at the beginning

[00:27:55] Ducks'

[00:27:55] team, as you say

[00:27:56] is very surprised

[00:27:57] to see Geoons'

[00:27:58] team

[00:27:59] reenter

[00:28:00] the dormitory

[00:28:01] like they were

[00:28:02] very sure

[00:28:03] they were going

[00:28:03] to be killed

[00:28:04] with all the women

[00:28:05] and old men

[00:28:06] and then

[00:28:06] it's a physical

[00:28:07] strength game

[00:28:08] yeah

[00:28:08] I'm

[00:28:08] wondering

[00:28:09] what he's thinking

[00:28:09] like

[00:28:10] what

[00:28:10] how did

[00:28:11] happen

[00:28:12] yeah

[00:28:13] and I

[00:28:14] I think again

[00:28:14] we learn

[00:28:15] that this combination

[00:28:16] of people

[00:28:18] Songwoo

[00:28:18] Geoons'

[00:28:19] the old men

[00:28:20] Alley

[00:28:20] Abdul

[00:28:21] Sabio

[00:28:21] that they form

[00:28:23] a formidable group

[00:28:25] because

[00:28:26] they have this combination

[00:28:27] of sort of savvy

[00:28:28] and moxie

[00:28:29] and street smarts

[00:28:32] and they have a variety

[00:28:33] of skills

[00:28:34] so even though

[00:28:35] they don't look

[00:28:35] formidable

[00:28:36] they actually are

[00:28:38] maybe more

[00:28:38] so than this team

[00:28:39] that's just a bunch

[00:28:41] sort of

[00:28:41] thuggish guys

[00:28:42] that are good

[00:28:42] at one thing

[00:28:43] yes

[00:28:44] for sure

[00:28:45] Geoons'

[00:28:46] he brings heart, I would say

[00:28:47] yeah

[00:28:48] that's a great way

[00:28:48] of putting it

[00:28:49] and I was going to say

[00:28:50] as leadership qualities

[00:28:52] but heart

[00:28:53] is even

[00:28:53] even more

[00:28:55] to the point

[00:28:56] so he fronts

[00:28:57] the tug of war

[00:28:57] victory

[00:28:58] sort of the heart

[00:28:59] and soul

[00:28:59] the team

[00:28:59] staring at the opponent

[00:29:02] then

[00:29:03] in this episode

[00:29:04] he organizes

[00:29:05] the team's

[00:29:05] overnight defense

[00:29:08] the barricade

[00:29:09] two watchers

[00:29:10] taking turns

[00:29:12] and then

[00:29:14] he's clever enough

[00:29:15] to figure out

[00:29:16] that Ducks'

[00:29:17] su should be worried

[00:29:18] about his own team

[00:29:20] betraying him

[00:29:22] and that little conversation

[00:29:24] really keeps Ducks'

[00:29:26] su from attacking

[00:29:27] them overnight

[00:29:28] because he makes

[00:29:29] him worry about himself

[00:29:30] so very sort of

[00:29:31] clever street smart

[00:29:33] perceptive move

[00:29:34] there

[00:29:35] for me

[00:29:36] I had to suspend

[00:29:37] my disbelief

[00:29:38] a little bit with that

[00:29:39] because

[00:29:41] I just think guys like Ducks' su

[00:29:43] they rule by

[00:29:45] fear and

[00:29:47] force

[00:29:48] because they're already paranoid

[00:29:51] you know

[00:29:52] so

[00:29:53] it was a little bit

[00:29:55] unbelievable for me

[00:29:56] that he could just

[00:29:57] get him so shaken up

[00:29:59] like that by mentioning it

[00:30:01] but okay

[00:30:04] could have been a blind spot

[00:30:06] yeah right

[00:30:07] maybe it's something

[00:30:08] yeah that he does

[00:30:09] but he was a little

[00:30:10] confident

[00:30:11] yeah

[00:30:12] because remember we did see

[00:30:13] that in the outside world

[00:30:15] he had this whole

[00:30:16] confidence scheme

[00:30:17] and it turned out

[00:30:18] actually they were

[00:30:19] hunting him

[00:30:20] and he had no idea

[00:30:21] good point

[00:30:22] is maybe

[00:30:23] remembering that

[00:30:24] when his

[00:30:25] remember

[00:30:27] okay

[00:30:28] yeah

[00:30:29] that is a very good

[00:30:30] point

[00:30:31] so he kind of

[00:30:32] I think he does

[00:30:33] all of this

[00:30:34] his leadership

[00:30:35] style sort of

[00:30:36] he doesn't really

[00:30:37] think it through

[00:30:38] sometimes

[00:30:39] he gets a cocky and

[00:30:41] overconfident

[00:30:42] yeah

[00:30:43] yeah

[00:30:44] and

[00:30:45] so

[00:30:47] you know

[00:30:48] he's smart here

[00:30:49] he's clever

[00:30:50] but I think

[00:30:51] really what it is

[00:30:52] what you said

[00:30:53] he has heart

[00:30:54] he seems to be

[00:30:55] the only player

[00:30:56] in the dorm

[00:30:57] who actually cares

[00:30:58] about

[00:30:59] anyone other

[00:31:00] than himself

[00:31:01] simply out of

[00:31:02] human empathy

[00:31:03] as he cares

[00:31:04] for

[00:31:05] protects

[00:31:07] I'll be I would say

[00:31:09] it's another one

[00:31:10] don't you think

[00:31:11] that's fair

[00:31:12] yeah

[00:31:13] yes

[00:31:14] I think that's probably

[00:31:15] true

[00:31:16] but because of his

[00:31:17] humanity

[00:31:18] or maybe

[00:31:19] their

[00:31:20] they still have

[00:31:21] a kind of

[00:31:22] teamwork

[00:31:23] that the other

[00:31:24] teams

[00:31:25] maybe

[00:31:26] do not

[00:31:27] and that has

[00:31:28] served them

[00:31:29] well

[00:31:30] and I think

[00:31:31] the whole

[00:31:32] scene you mentioned

[00:31:33] the car factory

[00:31:35] what I think we take

[00:31:36] to be his friend

[00:31:37] killed during the strike

[00:31:39] right in front of them

[00:31:43] that gives you more

[00:31:43] sympathy for him too

[00:31:45] and then his life

[00:31:47] was kind of unfairly

[00:31:48] ruined it wasn't just

[00:31:49] because he's a

[00:31:50] lazy guy

[00:31:51] or

[00:31:52] an addict

[00:31:53] wriggling addict

[00:31:54] yeah

[00:31:55] yeah

[00:31:56] absolutely

[00:31:57] I mean

[00:31:58] even

[00:31:59] he told

[00:32:00] he's telling this story

[00:32:01] to the old man

[00:32:02] and he says

[00:32:03] he missed the birth

[00:32:04] because of this strike

[00:32:06] right

[00:32:07] and I think he

[00:32:09] his wife

[00:32:10] his ex-wife had

[00:32:11] be raided him in an

[00:32:12] early episode

[00:32:13] for missing the birth

[00:32:14] of his child

[00:32:15] right

[00:32:16] and we just

[00:32:17] presume that he was

[00:32:18] off gambling

[00:32:19] or being a

[00:32:20] fuck up or something

[00:32:21] but it turns out

[00:32:22] he was trying to

[00:32:23] keep his job

[00:32:24] and so

[00:32:25] yeah, you

[00:32:26] completely

[00:32:27] see him in a new light

[00:32:28] with all of this

[00:32:29] and it looks like

[00:32:30] he has

[00:32:31] PTSD from it

[00:32:33] and also

[00:32:34] what sent him down

[00:32:35] the path of

[00:32:36] becoming a gambler

[00:32:37] and he did get caught up

[00:32:38] in gambling

[00:32:39] and it turned into an unhealthy

[00:32:40] addiction that he

[00:32:43] maybe could have done

[00:32:44] better with

[00:32:45] but it still

[00:32:46] makes me feel more

[00:32:47] sympathetic

[00:32:48] knowing the root

[00:32:49] of all of that

[00:32:50] was probably

[00:32:51] this incident

[00:32:51] at this factory

[00:32:52] where

[00:32:53] he makes it

[00:32:54] pretty clear

[00:32:55] at least you can believe

[00:32:56] that the company

[00:32:57] was very unfair

[00:32:58] about it

[00:32:59] and blamed

[00:33:00] their

[00:33:01] misfortune

[00:33:02] on the

[00:33:03] yeah, so we get a

[00:33:05] different side of his

[00:33:06] backstory

[00:33:07] but I

[00:33:09] think we're finding

[00:33:11] out that he

[00:33:11] brings a

[00:33:14] a strength of

[00:33:14] character to the table

[00:33:16] that we did not know

[00:33:16] he had at the beginning

[00:33:18] mm-hmm

[00:33:20] and that

[00:33:20] I think

[00:33:22] probably being in the games

[00:33:24] he's rediscovering

[00:33:25] himself

[00:33:26] you know

[00:33:27] it's

[00:33:27] I think you said

[00:33:28] it last week

[00:33:28] but it's bringing

[00:33:29] out

[00:33:29] a better side of him

[00:33:30] than we saw before

[00:33:31] yeah, he's kind of

[00:33:32] getting his

[00:33:33] humanity back

[00:33:34] while everybody

[00:33:35] around him

[00:33:36] is losing

[00:33:36] theirs

[00:33:37] which is really

[00:33:39] interesting.

[00:33:39] It's such a great

[00:33:41] actor.

[00:33:42] I want to see him

[00:33:43] and something else.

[00:33:43] Now, I know he's

[00:33:44] I think he's big in Korea

[00:33:46] but he's so

[00:33:47] good to watch.

[00:33:49] He's fantastic

[00:33:50] in this.

[00:33:51] I mean, I remember

[00:33:52] thinking at the very

[00:33:52] beginning of the show

[00:33:53] that he was kind

[00:33:54] of a little over

[00:33:55] the top

[00:33:55] and maybe a

[00:33:56] little over

[00:33:56] acting

[00:33:57] but

[00:33:58] his performance

[00:33:59] has a lot of range

[00:34:01] and he

[00:34:02] really becomes

[00:34:02] this believable

[00:34:03] guy that you care

[00:34:04] about.

[00:34:05] Yeah, I think it's

[00:34:07] also kind of an

[00:34:09] over the top

[00:34:09] show but I don't

[00:34:11] know, maybe not

[00:34:11] I mean

[00:34:13] the miniat actress

[00:34:14] definitely plays

[00:34:15] it big

[00:34:16] but then there's

[00:34:17] Sebi

[00:34:17] who barely moves

[00:34:19] her face

[00:34:20] at all

[00:34:21] just because

[00:34:21] that's her

[00:34:21] character.

[00:34:23] So anyway

[00:34:25] yeah, I enjoyed

[00:34:26] even though

[00:34:27] Gehun

[00:34:27] wasn't

[00:34:28] in it as much

[00:34:29] I really enjoyed

[00:34:30] all the stuff

[00:34:30] with him

[00:34:31] this time.

[00:34:33] All right, what's

[00:34:33] next for me?

[00:34:37] I'll talk about

[00:34:38] Junho

[00:34:39] and his luck

[00:34:42] and

[00:34:43] I like that

[00:34:44] people started to

[00:34:45] notice

[00:34:46] Junho was

[00:34:48] behaving oddly

[00:34:49] and to call him out on it

[00:34:51] and also at this

[00:34:52] point, it's kind

[00:34:53] of fun

[00:34:54] to see

[00:34:55] how lucky he is

[00:34:56] at

[00:34:57] skating through

[00:34:57] anyway

[00:34:59] as

[00:35:00] you know

[00:35:01] this

[00:35:02] what do you

[00:35:03] what would you call

[00:35:03] him an intruder

[00:35:04] but

[00:35:05] undercover

[00:35:05] undercover intruder

[00:35:08] this guy

[00:35:09] who's his neighbor

[00:35:09] confronts him

[00:35:10] about not being

[00:35:11] there the day

[00:35:11] before

[00:35:12] where were you

[00:35:13] and he's like

[00:35:13] sorry

[00:35:14] and the guys

[00:35:14] like sorry

[00:35:15] and then

[00:35:16] he says

[00:35:16] he prevented

[00:35:17] the others

[00:35:18] from killing him

[00:35:19] which

[00:35:20] that's another

[00:35:20] indication

[00:35:21] of what it's like

[00:35:22] in their world

[00:35:23] if

[00:35:24] somebody doesn't show up

[00:35:25] they may be killed

[00:35:26] so it's almost

[00:35:27] seems like

[00:35:27] it's just as bad

[00:35:28] as being a player

[00:35:30] doggy

[00:35:30] dog

[00:35:31] but anyway

[00:35:33] he said

[00:35:34] he prevented the others

[00:35:34] from killing Junho

[00:35:36] and did that

[00:35:36] in return

[00:35:37] for

[00:35:38] well, who he thought

[00:35:39] was Junho

[00:35:39] saving his life

[00:35:40] during the last dive

[00:35:42] and now they're even

[00:35:44] and then

[00:35:44] he didn't

[00:35:45] demand

[00:35:46] anymore explanation

[00:35:47] for why

[00:35:48] Junho

[00:35:48] didn't show up

[00:35:50] which I was a little

[00:35:50] surprised by

[00:35:51] but I was glad

[00:35:51] to see

[00:35:52] that he was still

[00:35:52] suspicious

[00:35:54] but for now

[00:35:55] Junho is able

[00:35:55] to tag along

[00:35:56] with him

[00:35:56] and gets to see

[00:35:57] what's going on

[00:35:57] in the organ heart

[00:35:58] of a sting operation

[00:35:59] and everything like that

[00:36:00] then

[00:36:01] when he hears

[00:36:01] about the guy

[00:36:02] who was

[00:36:03] who woke up

[00:36:04] in the middle

[00:36:04] of the organ heart

[00:36:05] of a sting

[00:36:05] and only had one kidney

[00:36:06] and Junho

[00:36:07] asked what happened next

[00:36:08] and the guys

[00:36:09] like

[00:36:09] well, you were right there

[00:36:11] I'd love that

[00:36:12] right

[00:36:14] I like finally

[00:36:15] he's like

[00:36:15] he's not just going

[00:36:17] to skate through

[00:36:18] it makes me

[00:36:19] like the story

[00:36:20] telling more

[00:36:21] that he came up

[00:36:22] against some challenges

[00:36:23] that needed to be overcome

[00:36:24] versus just

[00:36:26] somehow

[00:36:27] never encountering

[00:36:28] any pushback

[00:36:29] or anything

[00:36:29] you know

[00:36:30] he's gotten

[00:36:30] saved by the bell

[00:36:31] a couple times

[00:36:32] oh yeah

[00:36:33] he got saved

[00:36:33] by the bell

[00:36:34] because one guy

[00:36:35] who discovered

[00:36:35] him gets killed

[00:36:37] by a player

[00:36:38] or because

[00:36:39] he took his mask

[00:36:40] off

[00:36:41] and then in this case

[00:36:42] he's about

[00:36:42] to get

[00:36:43] unmasked

[00:36:44] or killed

[00:36:45] well, he even just

[00:36:46] what I'm talking

[00:36:47] about now

[00:36:47] that guy is like

[00:36:49] you were right there

[00:36:50] and you know

[00:36:51] you've been acting

[00:36:51] a little

[00:36:52] and then all of a sudden

[00:36:52] the doctors

[00:36:53] was like

[00:36:53] why are you guys

[00:36:54] talking

[00:36:55] over there

[00:36:55] right

[00:36:56] and I thought

[00:36:57] is the doctor

[00:36:58] trying to protect him

[00:36:59] but no

[00:37:00] it was just luck

[00:37:00] like he's being cranky

[00:37:01] and

[00:37:02] threw them off

[00:37:03] so yeah

[00:37:03] that's the June whole

[00:37:04] luck

[00:37:04] and now

[00:37:05] he's like

[00:37:06] expected

[00:37:06] to deliver

[00:37:07] these organs

[00:37:08] by scuba diving

[00:37:10] and I'm like

[00:37:10] is he going to

[00:37:11] actually try that

[00:37:12] does he know how to

[00:37:12] scuba

[00:37:13] and then they go

[00:37:14] through this

[00:37:14] dingy

[00:37:15] passageway

[00:37:17] and

[00:37:18] then the guys

[00:37:19] like

[00:37:20] well, no

[00:37:20] there

[00:37:20] he's like

[00:37:21] what is this

[00:37:21] for

[00:37:22] oh

[00:37:22] it's where

[00:37:23] the VIPs

[00:37:24] made it

[00:37:25] so they could

[00:37:25] escape

[00:37:26] in an emergency

[00:37:27] and then the

[00:37:28] island will blow up

[00:37:29] and June

[00:37:29] who's like

[00:37:30] who are the VIPs

[00:37:31] and the guys

[00:37:31] like

[00:37:32] that's all I know

[00:37:33] but then

[00:37:33] he pulls a knife on him

[00:37:34] why do you want to know

[00:37:35] who the VIPs are

[00:37:37] not only are you

[00:37:38] more curious

[00:37:38] but your voice

[00:37:39] seems to have changed

[00:37:40] which I'm

[00:37:40] like

[00:37:41] I'm glad

[00:37:41] he called him

[00:37:42] on his voice

[00:37:42] changing

[00:37:43] but

[00:37:43] did he just

[00:37:44] known as that

[00:37:44] or

[00:37:45] right

[00:37:46] I wondered

[00:37:47] that too

[00:37:48] yeah

[00:37:49] and I think

[00:37:50] this is the first time

[00:37:51] we hear about

[00:37:51] the VIPs

[00:37:52] isn't it

[00:37:54] or is it?

[00:37:54] yeah

[00:37:54] I mean

[00:37:55] we've heard

[00:37:56] that people

[00:37:57] bet

[00:37:57] on the games

[00:37:58] I think

[00:38:00] and now we're hearing

[00:38:01] about the IPs

[00:38:02] that's all

[00:38:03] and we see some

[00:38:05] like

[00:38:06] gold,

[00:38:07] jeweled

[00:38:09] bunny mask

[00:38:10] or something

[00:38:11] up in

[00:38:12] the front man's area

[00:38:13] which is

[00:38:14] very enigmatic

[00:38:15] like

[00:38:16] yeah

[00:38:16] what the hell

[00:38:17] is that

[00:38:18] I mean

[00:38:18] everybody's wearing

[00:38:19] masks in this show

[00:38:20] so they won't be known

[00:38:21] and that seems

[00:38:22] like an upper-class mask

[00:38:23] to me

[00:38:24] yeah

[00:38:25] that makes sense

[00:38:26] but the circle

[00:38:27] guy

[00:38:27] he wants to see

[00:38:28] June Ho's face

[00:38:29] and I was like

[00:38:30] has he ever

[00:38:31] seen

[00:38:32] number 29's face

[00:38:33] before

[00:38:34] I guess so

[00:38:34] because when June Ho

[00:38:35] and mask

[00:38:35] he says

[00:38:36] who are you

[00:38:36] and then June Ho

[00:38:37] pulls a gun on him

[00:38:38] and makes him

[00:38:39] show his face too

[00:38:40] and

[00:38:41] then he's

[00:38:42] start

[00:38:43] that's when he starts

[00:38:43] asking him

[00:38:44] about

[00:38:45] this guy

[00:38:45] with

[00:38:46] one kidney

[00:38:47] that you killed

[00:38:48] and he says

[00:38:49] no, it was a girl

[00:38:50] and all that

[00:38:51] and he shoots him

[00:38:52] and so

[00:38:52] I'm like

[00:38:53] okay, now

[00:38:53] June Ho has to

[00:38:55] overcome

[00:38:56] how

[00:38:57] is he gonna

[00:38:58] explain

[00:38:59] that

[00:39:00] he didn't

[00:39:00] deliver this

[00:39:01] organ

[00:39:02] but then

[00:39:03] the front man

[00:39:04] ends up

[00:39:05] wiping out

[00:39:06] everybody

[00:39:06] in the whole

[00:39:08] organ harvesting

[00:39:09] organization

[00:39:10] so that's June Ho's look

[00:39:11] again

[00:39:11] now he doesn't have to explain

[00:39:12] why he didn't deliver

[00:39:13] the organ

[00:39:14] and when they're wiping

[00:39:16] all of them out

[00:39:17] he just happens

[00:39:17] to still be

[00:39:19] in those passageways

[00:39:20] I think

[00:39:21] or part

[00:39:22] part of the time

[00:39:22] he's also

[00:39:23] in

[00:39:24] the front man's headquarters

[00:39:26] so

[00:39:26] he escapes

[00:39:27] that too

[00:39:28] so he's escaped

[00:39:29] a lot of things

[00:39:30] by look

[00:39:31] I do think you kind of feel

[00:39:32] like

[00:39:33] you kind of feel

[00:39:34] like his days are numbered

[00:39:36] I mean

[00:39:37] it is an island

[00:39:39] that's what

[00:39:40] I've kind of been

[00:39:40] thinking from the

[00:39:41] moment

[00:39:41] he first got on

[00:39:42] the boat

[00:39:43] I'm like

[00:39:44] how is he going

[00:39:45] what is he going to do

[00:39:46] like

[00:39:46] how is he going to get

[00:39:47] off this

[00:39:47] island

[00:39:48] at this point

[00:39:49] I think

[00:39:49] he can't possibly

[00:39:50] die

[00:39:51] no matter what happens

[00:39:54] he hasn't

[00:39:55] so far

[00:39:56] that's for sure

[00:39:58] I would come in

[00:39:59] and say

[00:39:59] yeah I do

[00:40:00] enjoy this sort of

[00:40:01] cat mouse game

[00:40:02] between here

[00:40:02] the front man

[00:40:04] yeah

[00:40:05] because the front man

[00:40:05] hears a shot

[00:40:06] off in the distance

[00:40:08] when he shoots

[00:40:08] through the lock

[00:40:10] and you're like

[00:40:11] oh

[00:40:12] you know

[00:40:13] he's on to

[00:40:13] that something is going

[00:40:15] on so even

[00:40:15] though he's had all

[00:40:16] this luck

[00:40:18] figure

[00:40:19] it may run out at

[00:40:21] at some point

[00:40:23] and then

[00:40:25] this show does

[00:40:26] do a good

[00:40:27] kind of surprising

[00:40:28] ending and I think

[00:40:29] him coming across

[00:40:30] his brother's name

[00:40:31] in the book was a great

[00:40:32] ending to his story

[00:40:33] in this episode

[00:40:34] mm-hmm

[00:40:35] yeah I mean

[00:40:35] I enjoyed him

[00:40:37] just sort of rooting

[00:40:38] around in

[00:40:40] the front man's area

[00:40:41] because it's such a

[00:40:42] different part

[00:40:43] of the facility

[00:40:44] and it seems super

[00:40:45] dangerous for him

[00:40:46] to be there

[00:40:46] so that's exciting

[00:40:47] and then

[00:40:48] to see all

[00:40:49] of the

[00:40:50] ledgers

[00:40:50] with the different

[00:40:51] years

[00:40:52] and they were labeled

[00:40:53] a squid archive

[00:40:54] which I wasn't sure

[00:40:56] if

[00:40:56] squid game was actually

[00:40:58] the name that they

[00:40:59] given this game

[00:41:00] or if it was just a TV

[00:41:01] show name

[00:41:01] because they flashed

[00:41:03] back on

[00:41:04] you who doing the

[00:41:05] squid game as a kid

[00:41:05] you know

[00:41:06] in the first episode

[00:41:07] but it sounds

[00:41:08] like they do call it

[00:41:09] squid game

[00:41:09] or at least

[00:41:10] for some reason

[00:41:11] they call these ledgers

[00:41:11] squid archive

[00:41:12] but anyway

[00:41:13] to see

[00:41:14] get a little more information

[00:41:15] about

[00:41:16] what's going on

[00:41:17] and then when

[00:41:17] yeah

[00:41:17] when he looks at the

[00:41:18] list of the winners

[00:41:19] and sees his

[00:41:20] brothers name there

[00:41:21] and then he goes

[00:41:22] and pulls out the

[00:41:22] ledger the 2015

[00:41:24] ledger to look

[00:41:25] up

[00:41:25] and see if he can see

[00:41:26] his brothers

[00:41:27] page in there

[00:41:28] and they all have

[00:41:29] pictures of the

[00:41:30] contestants

[00:41:30] and he sees it

[00:41:31] but we don't see

[00:41:32] the picture

[00:41:32] and that makes me wonder

[00:41:34] why not like

[00:41:35] is it somebody

[00:41:36] we know

[00:41:36] or

[00:41:37] why

[00:41:38] yeah

[00:41:39] you know

[00:41:40] so there's still

[00:41:40] more mystery

[00:41:41] there but

[00:41:42] there's also

[00:41:43] absolutely is

[00:41:44] like okay

[00:41:44] so what happened

[00:41:45] at the

[00:41:45] point

[00:41:46] that doesn't explain

[00:41:47] where he is now

[00:41:48] and that's true

[00:41:49] and do we know

[00:41:50] when he disappeared

[00:41:52] was it recently

[00:41:53] or was it in 2015

[00:41:56] I get the idea

[00:41:56] that it's recently

[00:41:57] because

[00:41:58] he went to the place

[00:41:59] where he lives

[00:42:01] and has disappeared

[00:42:02] from he stalls

[00:42:02] a room

[00:42:03] he still has

[00:42:05] and remember

[00:42:06] Junho said

[00:42:07] to their mom

[00:42:07] you know

[00:42:08] sometimes

[00:42:09] he kind of disappears

[00:42:10] doesn't answer his phone

[00:42:11] for a while

[00:42:12] but it wasn't like

[00:42:13] he's been gone

[00:42:13] for five years

[00:42:14] and they're like

[00:42:15] isn't it weird

[00:42:16] he got a Lamborghini?

[00:42:17] oh well

[00:42:18] I don't know

[00:42:19] so I was going to say

[00:42:20] that too

[00:42:21] like

[00:42:22] the moment

[00:42:23] he discovers

[00:42:24] like

[00:42:25] his brother

[00:42:25] was the winner

[00:42:26] of this game

[00:42:27] I'd be like

[00:42:28] yeah

[00:42:29] I'm a poor beat cop

[00:42:30] like

[00:42:30] yeah

[00:42:31] what's your any of this money

[00:42:32] with me

[00:42:33] what though

[00:42:34] yeah

[00:42:35] so now

[00:42:36] the mystery deepens

[00:42:37] yeah

[00:42:38] if you want to hear

[00:42:39] more about that

[00:42:40] go to the

[00:42:41] spoiler section at the end

[00:42:42] of the podcast

[00:42:43] and I guess

[00:42:44] one good thing

[00:42:45] about snooping

[00:42:46] around in the front

[00:42:47] man's

[00:42:48] quarters

[00:42:49] and they're at least

[00:42:50] you know

[00:42:51] everybody else will be

[00:42:51] scared to come in there

[00:42:52] so nobody's going

[00:42:53] to go in there

[00:42:53] but the one guy

[00:42:55] right

[00:42:55] but he may have

[00:42:56] guards or something

[00:42:57] so it's a little

[00:42:58] scary

[00:42:59] didn't though

[00:43:00] because you know

[00:43:00] lucky

[00:43:02] next point

[00:43:04] so

[00:43:05] I want to talk about

[00:43:06] the title

[00:43:07] and the

[00:43:08] sort of grand

[00:43:09] or meaning

[00:43:09] of what this

[00:43:10] episode represents

[00:43:11] because I think we're

[00:43:13] were never far

[00:43:14] from social commentary

[00:43:15] in this show

[00:43:16] and

[00:43:17] it's such a great

[00:43:17] two-level

[00:43:18] show

[00:43:19] dramatic

[00:43:20] compelling

[00:43:21] action that you

[00:43:21] care about on its

[00:43:22] own level

[00:43:23] but also

[00:43:25] you know

[00:43:26] what are they saying

[00:43:26] about

[00:43:27] the world we live in

[00:43:28] and I need that part

[00:43:30] I don't think I would have

[00:43:32] gotten into the show

[00:43:33] nearly as much

[00:43:35] and I definitely

[00:43:35] would have wanted

[00:43:36] to do a podcast

[00:43:37] on it if it didn't

[00:43:38] have the commentary

[00:43:39] no that's

[00:43:40] what makes

[00:43:40] it so

[00:43:41] meaningful

[00:43:42] and interesting

[00:43:44] and

[00:43:45] to me

[00:43:46] the main

[00:43:47] underlying

[00:43:48] theme of this

[00:43:49] episode

[00:43:49] is self-justification

[00:43:53] and particularly

[00:43:54] the ways that systems

[00:43:56] justify themselves

[00:43:57] and their existence

[00:44:00] capitalism, religion,

[00:44:02] organized crime,

[00:44:03] the exploitation

[00:44:04] of poor people

[00:44:06] how do all these

[00:44:07] things justify

[00:44:09] their

[00:44:10] often very unjust

[00:44:12] existence

[00:44:13] so

[00:44:14] on the level of obvious

[00:44:15] the title is

[00:44:16] quite ironic

[00:44:17] as if

[00:44:19] one survivor

[00:44:20] becoming rich

[00:44:21] and 455 dying

[00:44:23] constitutes a fair

[00:44:24] world

[00:44:27] the strongest

[00:44:28] direct statement yet

[00:44:29] about

[00:44:31] unrestrained capitalism

[00:44:32] thinks is fair

[00:44:35] and that might be it

[00:44:36] like 0.3% of people

[00:44:38] get rich

[00:44:39] everybody else

[00:44:41] your life is over

[00:44:44] the frontman

[00:44:45] is offended

[00:44:47] by the violation

[00:44:48] of this principle

[00:44:49] and kills

[00:44:49] in response to it

[00:44:51] but he's not offended

[00:44:53] by murder

[00:44:54] organs dealing rape

[00:44:55] or any of the other

[00:44:56] fucked up stuff

[00:44:57] going on

[00:44:58] in this thing

[00:45:00] but mess with this illusion

[00:45:02] is justifying

[00:45:03] illusion of fairness

[00:45:05] that we can have

[00:45:06] he seems very idealist

[00:45:08] about it

[00:45:09] in the ways

[00:45:09] especially when he says

[00:45:11] something like

[00:45:12] all these contestants

[00:45:13] have had to deal

[00:45:14] with unfairness

[00:45:15] in their lives

[00:45:16] and we want to give them

[00:45:17] a fair shot here

[00:45:18] so it almost felt like

[00:45:20] I'm doing it for these guys

[00:45:21] you know

[00:45:22] but it could also

[00:45:24] be for a pragmatic reason

[00:45:26] if there are people

[00:45:27] betting on these games

[00:45:29] then

[00:45:30] they it would be unfair

[00:45:32] for them

[00:45:32] if certain contestants

[00:45:34] had

[00:45:35] advanced information

[00:45:36] and could cheat

[00:45:37] you know

[00:45:38] what if you'd bet on someone else

[00:45:39] for sure

[00:45:40] and it's not that

[00:45:41] I guess

[00:45:44] is I'm not saying

[00:45:45] that he shouldn't stick up

[00:45:46] for the game being played

[00:45:47] by its weird rules

[00:45:48] but the rules are so perverse

[00:45:51] I mean

[00:45:52] to see these people

[00:45:53] are playing a fair game

[00:45:55] when literally

[00:45:56] half of them were killed

[00:45:57] in the first minute

[00:45:58] because nobody told them

[00:46:00] that the game was life and death

[00:46:02] I mean

[00:46:03] all he's saying is

[00:46:05] he wants everyone to be playing

[00:46:07] yeah

[00:46:07] under the same conditions

[00:46:09] no matter how fucked up

[00:46:10] those conditions are

[00:46:11] they're the same for everyone

[00:46:12] well I'm not trying to justify

[00:46:13] I'm just trying to explain it

[00:46:15] yeah

[00:46:16] because I don't quite

[00:46:16] understand

[00:46:17] why that's so important

[00:46:19] to him either

[00:46:19] I have theories

[00:46:20] but I'm not sure

[00:46:23] and then

[00:46:24] and hey

[00:46:24] there are plenty of people

[00:46:26] in the world who believe this

[00:46:27] that humans

[00:46:29] don't have a responsibility

[00:46:30] for each other

[00:46:31] and you're kind of on your own

[00:46:32] and there's no need

[00:46:33] for laws

[00:46:36] to protect people

[00:46:37] or social safety net

[00:46:38] or what have you

[00:46:39] but this is a pretty

[00:46:40] extreme version

[00:46:41] of that view

[00:46:43] yeah

[00:46:43] it's Darwinian

[00:46:46] and then

[00:46:48] this episode also

[00:46:50] takes direct aim

[00:46:51] at something we haven't

[00:46:52] really encountered

[00:46:53] before in this story

[00:46:54] which is religion

[00:46:57] so love that part

[00:46:58] oh wait

[00:46:59] I want to say one more thing

[00:47:00] about fairness

[00:47:01] before you move on to religion

[00:47:02] which is that

[00:47:03] Squid Game the Challenge

[00:47:05] the reality series

[00:47:06] based on the show

[00:47:08] does not operate

[00:47:09] under that

[00:47:10] frontman would not approve

[00:47:12] because there are times

[00:47:13] in the reality show

[00:47:14] where they will just pick

[00:47:15] one person

[00:47:16] and say

[00:47:17] oh you know how the ability

[00:47:18] to eliminate anyone

[00:47:19] you want

[00:47:20] or give someone an advantage

[00:47:22] and so that means

[00:47:23] they're not all operating

[00:47:24] under the same conditions

[00:47:26] this one guy

[00:47:26] just got

[00:47:27] some power

[00:47:28] that nobody else had

[00:47:30] so I don't know

[00:47:31] if there's any big meaning

[00:47:33] to that or anything

[00:47:33] but

[00:47:34] it's not having

[00:47:35] only having watched

[00:47:36] the first few episodes

[00:47:37] so far of that show

[00:47:38] but I did not like that

[00:47:39] in that show

[00:47:40] it kind of violated

[00:47:41] my sense of principle

[00:47:42] after the original

[00:47:43] Squid Game

[00:47:44] it was just

[00:47:45] wait a minute

[00:47:45] that's all

[00:47:46] yeah

[00:47:46] frontman was right

[00:47:50] but so this

[00:47:51] episode takes on religion

[00:47:53] which is a place

[00:47:54] we haven't gone before

[00:47:56] and I think honestly

[00:47:58] historically

[00:48:00] religion as a force

[00:48:01] that has been used

[00:48:02] to

[00:48:03] distract people

[00:48:04] or convince them

[00:48:05] to accept

[00:48:07] crushing inequality

[00:48:09] on the basis of

[00:48:11] the afterlife

[00:48:12] for this is what God wants

[00:48:13] or you know

[00:48:14] whatever the

[00:48:15] particulars are

[00:48:16] of the societal situation

[00:48:18] and the religion

[00:48:21] so

[00:48:22] we see this devout

[00:48:24] man, a member of their team

[00:48:26] in the tug of war

[00:48:28] praying his thanks

[00:48:29] after their

[00:48:31] miraculous

[00:48:32] you could call it victory

[00:48:34] until his other teammate

[00:48:36] points out that

[00:48:37] he actually was saved

[00:48:38] by two of his teammates

[00:48:40] not by God

[00:48:41] coming down

[00:48:43] and that he participated

[00:48:45] actively in killing

[00:48:46] his opponents

[00:48:47] in killing ten people

[00:48:50] and then we see the religious

[00:48:52] guy then turns

[00:48:53] and uses that

[00:48:55] as a further justification

[00:48:57] to kill more people

[00:48:58] he's like

[00:48:59] well we already got blood

[00:49:00] on our hands

[00:49:01] we're all sinners anyway

[00:49:02] you know

[00:49:03] they're dying

[00:49:04] for our sins

[00:49:05] and it's all meant to be

[00:49:06] and it's God's will

[00:49:07] and then very believable

[00:49:09] I would say

[00:49:10] I would add

[00:49:11] yeah

[00:49:12] and we've seen that kind

[00:49:14] of behavior in real life

[00:49:15] I

[00:49:16] I'm not making any statement

[00:49:18] about any particular religion

[00:49:20] no person

[00:49:21] political party

[00:49:22] anything

[00:49:23] but you do encounter people

[00:49:25] like this where

[00:49:28] you just cannot

[00:49:30] take them on with rationality

[00:49:33] right

[00:49:34] this is

[00:49:36] this is going to be my view

[00:49:37] it is self-justifying

[00:49:39] and there is no argument

[00:49:41] you can make

[00:49:42] that can penetrate it

[00:49:44] and there's a core

[00:49:45] core tenant

[00:49:46] built in which is called

[00:49:47] faith

[00:49:48] which means

[00:49:49] belief without any evidence

[00:49:52] that

[00:49:53] how are you

[00:49:55] counter that

[00:49:55] you can't

[00:49:56] you can't

[00:49:57] argue with it

[00:49:58] and I think that's the point

[00:49:59] that was being made here

[00:50:00] yeah

[00:50:00] it's a self-justifying system

[00:50:03] and the fact that

[00:50:05] this woman

[00:50:06] I don't think had spoken

[00:50:07] before this

[00:50:08] she young the one

[00:50:09] who

[00:50:10] say be picked to be on the team

[00:50:12] and

[00:50:14] she just

[00:50:15] well we don't know anything about her

[00:50:16] but suddenly she has a very

[00:50:18] interesting personality

[00:50:19] after this

[00:50:21] just calling this guy

[00:50:22] on all of this

[00:50:23] and I think

[00:50:26] it made me very

[00:50:27] endeared to her personally

[00:50:28] but also

[00:50:29] it's kind of messed up

[00:50:31] to

[00:50:32] it's a bit sadistic

[00:50:33] to give him

[00:50:34] shit about it

[00:50:36] after what they just went through

[00:50:37] she's an instigator

[00:50:38] you can tell

[00:50:40] I think so

[00:50:41] but I kind of

[00:50:42] shared emotionally

[00:50:44] I shared her

[00:50:45] nuance

[00:50:46] with that

[00:50:47] because he's praying

[00:50:47] and thanking God

[00:50:48] and I

[00:50:49] agree with her point

[00:50:50] it's like

[00:50:51] thank these two guys

[00:50:52] that saved you

[00:50:53] yeah

[00:50:53] well

[00:50:54] you know

[00:50:55] I always

[00:50:56] think it's silly

[00:50:57] when people

[00:50:58] think that God

[00:51:00] helped their football team

[00:51:01] win and I'm like

[00:51:02] why does God care about

[00:51:03] who's football team wins

[00:51:05] and why would they help

[00:51:06] your team and not the other team

[00:51:07] and I think that

[00:51:08] in sports too

[00:51:09] like God's watching a lot of games today

[00:51:12] and in this game in particular

[00:51:15] he's saying

[00:51:16] well God chose to kill

[00:51:17] these 10 other people

[00:51:19] which is like

[00:51:20] oh really?

[00:51:23] So anything else about that

[00:51:25] um

[00:51:26] oh so I was going to mention one more

[00:51:29] um

[00:51:29] which is crime as a self-justifying system

[00:51:33] and um

[00:51:35] and because we spend a lot of

[00:51:38] this show

[00:51:39] and this episode with various

[00:51:43] elements of organized

[00:51:44] or slightly less organized crime

[00:51:47] but even the organ stealing scheme

[00:51:50] is part of an organized crime

[00:51:52] ring

[00:51:53] even if the organized part is more at the other end

[00:51:56] but there's obviously

[00:51:57] an organized

[00:51:58] organ distribution ring

[00:52:00] that they are

[00:52:01] selling to

[00:52:03] and the

[00:52:04] self-justifying scheme of organized crime

[00:52:07] is that no justification is necessary

[00:52:11] it's pure

[00:52:12] brute

[00:52:13] um

[00:52:13] essentially taking by force

[00:52:17] it might as right

[00:52:18] basically is the ethos

[00:52:20] um

[00:52:20] the organized crime

[00:52:22] or a crime

[00:52:23] world

[00:52:24] um

[00:52:25] so in that case

[00:52:26] it's a self-justifying societal force

[00:52:29] in which the justification

[00:52:30] is we need no justification

[00:52:32] hmm

[00:52:33] hmm

[00:52:34] you know, that kind of reminds me

[00:52:37] yeah

[00:52:38] of what we were talking about with Ducksu

[00:52:40] before that

[00:52:42] his

[00:52:43] world is all about

[00:52:44] might

[00:52:45] makes right

[00:52:46] like you just said

[00:52:47] yeah

[00:52:48] and nothing else matters

[00:52:51] The other one's religion, capitalism

[00:52:54] politics

[00:52:55] need

[00:52:56] to convince people

[00:52:59] to put up with it

[00:53:01] um

[00:53:02] even if maybe sometimes they shouldn't as we saw in the vote early in

[00:53:05] Squid Game

[00:53:06] I see what you're saying, yeah

[00:53:08] um

[00:53:09] but the organized crime approach is pure might as right

[00:53:12] nobody has to agree with this

[00:53:14] I mean

[00:53:15] they put up with it

[00:53:16] out of fear

[00:53:17] yep

[00:53:18] if there's anyone who could oppose but she's not too

[00:53:21] it's out of fear

[00:53:22] all right

[00:53:25] well that sort of leads into my next point about trust

[00:53:29] about trust

[00:53:30] which is a quick one

[00:53:31] but last time last week

[00:53:33] there were a lot of people trying to build trust with each other

[00:53:36] but here in this episode it's clear

[00:53:38] there's still a lot of lack of trust

[00:53:40] like

[00:53:41] and Sabiak doesn't trust G-Young enough

[00:53:44] to tell her her name

[00:53:46] this new girl that she just brought in

[00:53:48] um

[00:53:49] she doesn't trust any of her teammates

[00:53:51] not to kill her at night

[00:53:52] or at least that's what she tells them

[00:53:53] I think she's a little

[00:53:55] she tries to come off a little harder

[00:53:57] and she actually is maybe like when she gave

[00:54:00] G-Young the bottle of water to help the old man

[00:54:04] any thinker

[00:54:05] and she said, well you owe me something

[00:54:07] I mean I think she is an opportunist there

[00:54:09] but maybe there was a little part of her

[00:54:11] that did it out of the kindness of her heart

[00:54:12] but she would never admit that

[00:54:13] I don't know

[00:54:14] maybe I'm just projecting that onto her whole

[00:54:16] I think they're starting to be some friendship there

[00:54:18] even though she doesn't want to show it

[00:54:20] yeah

[00:54:21] I think so

[00:54:22] but she's still pretty untrusting

[00:54:24] Sangwoo says two people should keep watch

[00:54:27] not just one

[00:54:28] so there's less chance of defection

[00:54:30] which I think is a really smart move

[00:54:32] but also shows

[00:54:34] he doesn't just trust one person to do it

[00:54:37] the old man's teammates

[00:54:39] or one of them

[00:54:40] I forget who doesn't trust him

[00:54:41] to keep watch and not fall asleep

[00:54:43] uh

[00:54:44] Duxu doesn't trust his gang

[00:54:46] not to try to kill him at night

[00:54:48] the doctor

[00:54:50] doesn't trust that these triangle guys

[00:54:53] will tell him

[00:54:54] the next game later

[00:54:56] as they said

[00:54:57] although now you've convinced me

[00:54:58] that really the reason he needed to know it now

[00:55:00] is so you can have something to work with

[00:55:02] that night in the dorm

[00:55:04] um

[00:55:05] he does decide

[00:55:07] so it was such a great scene

[00:55:09] when

[00:55:10] it was kind of two echoing

[00:55:12] scenes that echoed each other

[00:55:13] there was Junho

[00:55:14] and this other guy

[00:55:15] who both took off their masks

[00:55:17] and it felt

[00:55:18] it feels a lot different

[00:55:19] when they have their mask sock

[00:55:20] it's like

[00:55:21] there's so much more communication going on in between them

[00:55:23] and humanity there

[00:55:24] even if it's

[00:55:25] complicated

[00:55:26] but with um

[00:55:28] the doctor

[00:55:29] and this triangle guy

[00:55:31] so he killed the other guy

[00:55:33] and then ran away

[00:55:34] and it was so thrilling to see him run through the whole mcsher

[00:55:37] you know, pastel area

[00:55:38] and go through the wrong door

[00:55:39] like it's the Winchester Mystery House or something

[00:55:42] anyway

[00:55:43] and then they end up in the Dalgona playground room

[00:55:45] and he's

[00:55:46] the triangle guys

[00:55:47] trying to

[00:55:48] convince him

[00:55:49] you know

[00:55:50] let the score

[00:55:52] then we'll forget it ever happens

[00:55:54] and it'll be fine

[00:55:56] because I

[00:55:57] that'll be best for me too

[00:55:59] well, we can both

[00:56:00] get through this alive

[00:56:01] or whatever he said

[00:56:02] and

[00:56:03] I thought

[00:56:04] because the doctor had

[00:56:06] I think a

[00:56:07] did he have a big weapon in his hand

[00:56:08] like a rod

[00:56:09] or something

[00:56:10] or a pipe

[00:56:11] or something

[00:56:12] and as the

[00:56:14] triangle guy moved closer to him

[00:56:15] I thought he was going to

[00:56:16] kill the guy

[00:56:17] beat him to death

[00:56:18] the doctor was going to

[00:56:19] but he put it down

[00:56:20] and I was

[00:56:22] surprised by that

[00:56:23] and when he did that

[00:56:24] I was like

[00:56:25] oh, I think

[00:56:26] that was actually the wrong move

[00:56:27] I felt a little relieved

[00:56:29] because maybe there could be peace

[00:56:30] but then

[00:56:31] oh no, I'm afraid for him

[00:56:32] and then the guy

[00:56:33] pulls out a knife

[00:56:34] and I was like

[00:56:35] holy shit

[00:56:36] there was just so many

[00:56:38] little quick moments

[00:56:39] of

[00:56:40] of like being on a

[00:56:41] rollercoaster ride

[00:56:42] because then

[00:56:43] he gets shot

[00:56:44] by the frontman

[00:56:45] so

[00:56:46] that was a crazy

[00:56:47] little

[00:56:49] sequence there

[00:56:50] yeah

[00:56:51] I thought there

[00:56:52] I was not surprised

[00:56:54] when

[00:56:55] triangle man

[00:56:56] pulled a knife out of his pocket

[00:56:58] because I was like

[00:56:59] there's no way he's going to let this doctor

[00:57:01] survive to talk

[00:57:02] about what happened

[00:57:03] he has to kill him

[00:57:05] and maybe that

[00:57:06] wouldn't save him anyway

[00:57:08] but I didn't buy his whole thing

[00:57:11] about

[00:57:12] yay, you can just go back to the dorm

[00:57:14] and I'll put the body

[00:57:15] there and

[00:57:16] everything is going to be fine

[00:57:17] I thought

[00:57:19] I wasn't sure but

[00:57:22] I thought

[00:57:23] if I

[00:57:24] like if I was the doctor

[00:57:25] I don't know if I

[00:57:26] would want

[00:57:27] to stir up

[00:57:28] anything

[00:57:30] it's not like

[00:57:31] there's an HR

[00:57:32] well you can't even go

[00:57:33] to an HR department

[00:57:34] I think what the doctor

[00:57:36] realizes there

[00:57:38] like if you look

[00:57:39] at the look on his face

[00:57:41] when he threw the

[00:57:42] weapon down

[00:57:43] yeah

[00:57:44] 저는 제가

[00:57:58] 그 사회가

[00:58:13] my topic of trust, but while I'm thinking about it,

[00:58:17] frontman shoots the guy, but it doesn't kill him.

[00:58:21] So then he gives him the speech about equality and then kills him.

[00:58:25] So I guess the speech was more for us.

[00:58:27] And then I thought...

[00:58:28] And for everybody else who works there.

[00:58:30] Yeah, that's really, I guess, who it was for.

[00:58:33] And then I thought, is he gonna let the doctor live

[00:58:35] and know he shoots him to a course in Squid Game?

[00:58:38] Well, the doctor was part of the cheating also.

[00:58:40] Yeah.

[00:58:41] Like he's already cheated in earlier rounds.

[00:58:46] Yeah.

[00:58:47] Because he knew the game.

[00:58:48] I was just thinking would he blame the contestants

[00:58:52] for cheating more or someone who enabled the cheating

[00:58:56] or would it just be equally bad?

[00:58:57] I guess it was equally bad.

[00:59:00] Yeah, that's an interesting question

[00:59:01] because maybe cheating in this thing

[00:59:03] is just being industrious.

[00:59:04] They sort of permit other forms of things

[00:59:07] that are beyond the rules.

[00:59:08] Yeah, but I think all of that...

[00:59:11] Like, you know, as he said, it's...

[00:59:14] Everyone operates under the same condition.

[00:59:16] So everything that happened last week in the dorm

[00:59:18] where they had not enough food

[00:59:21] and some people cut in line

[00:59:22] is all just sort of part of the game.

[00:59:25] How are you gonna deal?

[00:59:26] How are we all gonna deal with not having enough food?

[00:59:30] So they all have to deal with that.

[00:59:31] But here it's one person got some information

[00:59:34] that nobody else had so that wasn't fair.

[00:59:36] Any more.

[00:59:37] And it was instigated by the guards, like not by.

[00:59:40] Yeah, outside.

[00:59:42] Not by him.

[00:59:43] And one thing I also realized in this episode

[00:59:46] is that this whole story of the doctor

[00:59:50] and he freaks out and he kills a guy

[00:59:53] and then it sets off this whole chain of events

[00:59:56] where they all end up dead

[00:59:58] is kind of an allegory for all the contestants

[01:00:03] and how they got here.

[01:00:05] Like these are a bunch of people

[01:00:08] that one way or another like think about Sunwoo.

[01:00:11] Like screwed up their lives.

[01:00:14] They don't have like the best calm reason judgment.

[01:00:19] They're not great decision makers

[01:00:21] and probably a series of not great decisions

[01:00:25] got the doctor to this point.

[01:00:29] Yeah, I was also thinking...

[01:00:33] What did count...

[01:00:35] If everybody's there under the same conditions

[01:00:39] and then yet this guy's in trouble for cheating,

[01:00:42] well they all could have cheated.

[01:00:43] But actually no because the reason why

[01:00:46] this doctor was able to cheat

[01:00:48] is because he was a doctor and they needed his skill.

[01:00:50] So he wasn't equal to everyone else, I guess,

[01:00:53] you know, in that way it was his skill

[01:00:56] that got him in that situation.

[01:00:58] I think it was that the cheating came from the key.

[01:01:01] It came from outside, yeah.

[01:01:03] Not from inside.

[01:01:05] But it was his being a doctor did him in.

[01:01:09] If he wasn't a doctor

[01:01:10] he never would have been in that situation.

[01:01:12] Well here's the other question that I wondered about

[01:01:14] that they're not explicit with.

[01:01:16] Was he targeted and for the game

[01:01:19] and recruited by these people

[01:01:21] because he is a doctor

[01:01:22] and could be part of this scheme?

[01:01:24] Especially if you think hey they've done this before.

[01:01:27] Yeah.

[01:01:28] Be pretty random for a doctor to show up

[01:01:30] in the Squid Game.

[01:01:31] You'd have to really kind of go out and seek one.

[01:01:34] Good point.

[01:01:35] Yeah, maybe the guy who's going around

[01:01:37] playing that game where you broke envelopes

[01:01:40] at each other as part of it too.

[01:01:42] Right.

[01:01:44] And then let's see there's more,

[01:01:47] I mean I guess I don't need to name them all

[01:01:49] but I just really did notice

[01:01:50] that this episode in particular was a lot

[01:01:53] about pairs of characters who are groups of characters

[01:01:56] who were not trusting each other

[01:01:58] or who were struggling with whether

[01:01:59] you trust each other about things.

[01:02:01] Yeah, that's a great point.

[01:02:02] That really was a theme throughout the entire thing

[01:02:05] on all sides like all of the groups of characters.

[01:02:09] Yep.

[01:02:11] All right, anything else?

[01:02:12] No more points.

[01:02:14] Nope.

[01:02:15] I have some spoilery details.

[01:02:17] We'll get into that at the end but I had a few notes.

[01:02:19] I noticed a lot more cutting back and forth

[01:02:22] in this one from scene to scene.

[01:02:24] Just shorter snippets which I think

[01:02:27] went to the excitement of it.

[01:02:29] I had a question,

[01:02:30] why do you think the coffins have bows?

[01:02:33] Is there any significance to that?

[01:02:36] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:02:37] I kind of got the sense that everything

[01:02:41] in this universe is a little perverse

[01:02:43] like it's all a little twisted.

[01:02:46] Yep.

[01:02:47] And I kind of got the idea that it's sort of an honor

[01:02:51] to the contestants that like you're giving them

[01:02:53] a little dignity back that they were an honored player

[01:02:56] who has fallen in the course of the game

[01:02:59] but it's so perverse.

[01:03:01] It's like still just like a cheap wooden casket

[01:03:03] that you're going to burn.

[01:03:05] You put a little bit of decoration on to dress it up.

[01:03:10] This is a bit of a stretch

[01:03:12] but I was thinking maybe because each dead player

[01:03:15] is kind of a gift to the other players

[01:03:18] because it represents more money in the pot.

[01:03:22] That makes sense, actually.

[01:03:23] Maybe yeah, I buy that.

[01:03:26] I do have a little more money at home.

[01:03:29] I mean something's missing.

[01:03:32] That makes sense.

[01:03:34] Oops, what is that?

[01:03:35] That's the true story about Sentinels.

[01:03:37] The부�edi's a bit of a follow-up game

[01:03:40] and you're probably not gonna have his time

[01:03:41] with the other players but he was able to pretend

[01:03:44] that he was the best player.

[01:03:46] But that's why he's doing this.

[01:03:48] Sorry, but it's probably not the first thing

[01:03:52] spinning rs- separating

[01:03:54] ames

[01:03:55] if you're a subscriber

[01:03:56] you can actually play

[01:03:57] bunch of mobile games

[01:03:58] that they put out

[01:03:59] and they recently announced

[01:04:00] their going to be

[01:04:01] releasing quote

[01:04:02] it game set in the universe

[01:04:03] up tastes quick game

[01:04:04] in which you can compete

[01:04:05] with other players

[01:04:06] in games from the hit series

[01:04:08] so I'm trying to

[01:04:08] add that out

[01:04:09] might be kind of fun

[01:04:10] yeah sounds like

[01:04:11] a great platform

[01:04:12] for video game

[01:04:13] but I wonder if they're

[01:04:13] going to come up

[01:04:14] with some new stuff

[01:04:15] i mean everybody

[01:04:16] knows these games

[01:04:18] yeah

[01:04:19] and yeah,

[01:04:20] 그래도, If they can do some really engaging

[01:04:23] gameplay around it or not.

[01:04:25] It would be fun to maybe do the Delgona on your phone,

[01:04:28] you know, tracing it with your finger

[01:04:30] and trying not to crack it, I don't know.

[01:04:32] But even more interesting, in my opinion

[01:04:35] I found out there's this Squid Game virtual reality experience

[01:04:38] where you put on a headset but you're in

[01:04:41] some kind of room scale environment

[01:04:44] so you actually walk around inside the VR space

[01:04:47] and you participate in some of the games

[01:04:49] like Red Light Green Light or the Glass Bridge.

[01:04:52] Wow.

[01:04:53] And I looked it up and there's one in San Francisco

[01:04:55] and I think even to see if my son Nico wants to do it.

[01:04:59] He's only 12, he has not seen the series

[01:05:01] but he knows all about it because of I think Mr. Beast

[01:05:04] the YouTube guy who did a version of it on YouTube

[01:05:07] and it's just permeated through other things.

[01:05:09] And there's a slight chance he's actually seen more of it

[01:05:12] than he will admit.

[01:05:13] I kind of get that sense sometimes, I don't know.

[01:05:15] But anyway, I'll be very interested to hear how that was.

[01:05:19] It almost, I'd almost be worried

[01:05:21] this is gonna be too intense.

[01:05:23] Yeah well you and Karen are invited

[01:05:25] so let me know if you think about it

[01:05:27] let me know if you want to do it.

[01:05:29] I'll ask her, I'd be down for that.

[01:05:31] Yeah it might be kind of fun.

[01:05:33] All right we got one message this week.

[01:05:35] Marie Lawson says this show is dark with a capital D

[01:05:40] where are they getting the workers for this place?

[01:05:44] Great question.

[01:05:45] The description of what they did to the player

[01:05:47] who wasn't quite dead when they started harvesting

[01:05:49] or organs really got to me

[01:05:51] and I was more than happy that the detective took that guy out.

[01:05:55] I don't quite understand what happened at the end though.

[01:05:58] Did he find his brother listed as one of the past winners

[01:06:00] of the game,

[01:06:01] hoping you all can clear that up for me in your coverage?

[01:06:04] Yes he did.

[01:06:06] Yep, that's exactly what happened.

[01:06:09] And so now he has another piece of information

[01:06:12] but still doesn't know what the hell's going on.

[01:06:18] So I'm trying to remember how he connected

[01:06:22] his brother with this place.

[01:06:23] He heard Kihoon talking about these games that they get taken to

[01:06:29] and people die and there's a ton of money or whatever

[01:06:32] and then he found the same card

[01:06:34] that Kihoon had in his brother's apartment, right?

[01:06:37] And that's exactly.

[01:06:39] So he followed Kihoon to this place

[01:06:43] but now if it was me and I found out my brother won

[01:06:50] I might think, oh shit, he's not even here.

[01:06:52] He has that card because he was in it eight years ago.

[01:06:55] I gotta get the hell out of here.

[01:06:58] Yeah, I mean and he's just about into deep to get out.

[01:07:02] Yeah, but you know what I mean?

[01:07:04] Like I would probably think,

[01:07:06] well he's probably not here then.

[01:07:07] That was a long time ago.

[01:07:08] I just need to get out of here and find him.

[01:07:10] Where did he go then?

[01:07:12] Yeah, and where has he disappeared to now?

[01:07:15] Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[01:07:16] Yeah.

[01:07:17] I had one more note that I forgot to say

[01:07:20] which is just you know I'm a big sports fan.

[01:07:23] So San Francisco Giants this week signed a big free agent

[01:07:28] from Korea in Holy.

[01:07:31] Oh I remember hearing about that in the news.

[01:07:33] Yeah, and he's got a great nickname.

[01:07:36] His father was a great player in Korea who is really fast

[01:07:40] so his nickname was Son of the Wind.

[01:07:43] So this young man's nickname is Grand Son of the Wind.

[01:07:46] Next, yeah.

[01:07:47] But and I said this to Karen,

[01:07:49] I'm watching the press conference that Giants are introducing him

[01:07:52] and I was just waiting for somebody you know

[01:07:55] because all these social graphics and memes always come out

[01:07:58] when these big signings happen.

[01:08:00] I was waiting for somebody to place this young man

[01:08:03] graphically into Squid Game.

[01:08:06] It has a meme or funny graphic or whatever,

[01:08:09] but I didn't see anybody do it.

[01:08:12] Challenge listeners.

[01:08:14] There you go.

[01:08:25] All right that's our show until well we're going to do

[01:08:28] a spoiler section but for now that's our show.

[01:08:30] Thanks for listening everybody.

[01:08:32] Next up is going to be Squid Game Season 1 episode 6, GAMBU.

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[01:08:39] you can find all our contact information at podcastica.com.

[01:08:43] Yeah so while you're on podcastica.com

[01:08:45] you should check out our other shows.

[01:08:47] One show that just started is an improv show.

[01:08:51] It's a first for podcastica.

[01:08:53] It's called Welcome to the Apocalypse set

[01:08:55] and it's on the Apocalypse Superfund.

[01:08:57] It's Randy and his friend Rob and our friend Jenny

[01:09:01] and they just came out with their first episode

[01:09:03] so I checked that out.

[01:09:04] But also if you want a palette cleanser for Squid Game

[01:09:08] we're also covering Ted Lasso on the Revisit podcast.

[01:09:12] That's such a good show.

[01:09:14] Are there any two more two shows

[01:09:16] that are more different than those completely opposite?

[01:09:21] They could be on a seesaw and it would work.

[01:09:24] Absolutely.

[01:09:25] I wonder how Ted would do in the Squid Game though.

[01:09:29] I'd like to see that.

[01:09:31] Alright that is our show.

[01:09:33] Thanks for listening.

[01:09:35] I just wanted to tell you, David before we close out today

[01:09:38] that you have a lot of pride for a quack who killed someone through negligence.

[01:09:50] Alright so we are going to do a spoiler section

[01:09:53] and I'll remind you as always that if you don't want to your spoilers

[01:09:56] and you haven't seen the show pass now

[01:09:59] that you should definitely not listen to this.

[01:10:01] Thank you for listening and we will talk to you next week.

[01:10:03] Bye.

[01:10:04] Bye.

[01:10:05] So what do you want to talk about?

[01:10:07] Sometimes when we talk about the spoiler details

[01:10:12] and this will be no exception,

[01:10:15] it just makes me feel kind of dumb

[01:10:17] because there's like a lot of stuff I feel like I should have noticed

[01:10:20] that I didn't when I was watching the show the first time around.

[01:10:24] But so here are a few.

[01:10:30] One is that the doctors unexpected death is why we end up with only 39 players

[01:10:38] because they went to a lot of trouble

[01:10:41] to set up those tug of wars with equal amount of teams

[01:10:44] and then exactly half of them were killed which left us with 40 players

[01:10:48] and we happen to know that the next game is played in pairs

[01:10:52] and becomes a whole point of drama in the next game

[01:10:55] that there's an uneven number of players.

[01:10:57] I'd forgotten about that but yeah.

[01:10:59] Yeah so that was the reason it was unplanned.

[01:11:02] It's the glass bridge right? No it's marbles.

[01:11:04] No it's marbles in pairs.

[01:11:07] So that was one that hit me.

[01:11:12] One we touched on a little bit which is it's a huge problem

[01:11:16] if a player goes missing but a missing soldier is no problem at all.

[01:11:20] So this is a struggle guy and I was kind of like why is that?

[01:11:25] Either one would seem to be set off a security alert or whatever

[01:11:30] but later we really find out.

[01:11:33] And even though maybe they've mentioned this before

[01:11:36] the VIPs gambling on the outcome is a really important part of this whole thing

[01:11:41] and they're gambling within certain parameters and rules.

[01:11:45] So somebody who was betting on this player and he disappears

[01:11:49] it calls into question the integrity of the whole game.

[01:11:52] Yeah I mean this sounds callous but it's like you're watching a baseball game

[01:11:57] and one of the players all this disappears off the field

[01:12:01] versus like the third base coach.

[01:12:04] Or an usher or something.

[01:12:07] Yeah right exactly yeah.

[01:12:11] Another one that really struck me on this watch was Sungwoo's conversation with Ali

[01:12:17] where they're kind of bonding and he offers them his corn on the cob

[01:12:22] and they end up splitting it and they have this sort of nice conversation

[01:12:25] about their families in the background. It's a little sad

[01:12:28] but you know they're building rapport here.

[01:12:32] And maybe it's somewhat genuine but in retrospect

[01:12:37] I think it is mostly manipulation by Sungwoo who is a very

[01:12:41] on the slime manipulative person.

[01:12:45] I think he's more aware than anyone else on the team

[01:12:49] that everyone else is probably going to have to die for him to survive

[01:12:53] and to win the money.

[01:12:56] And the trust he establishes with Ali will come into play

[01:13:01] in the next game where he's able to exploit that trust.

[01:13:05] And man is he cold I mean he learns in this conversation

[01:13:09] that Ali has a wife and a young child

[01:13:13] and it does not stop him from just screwing him over in the next game

[01:13:17] to get him killed.

[01:13:19] Yeah I mean it's got to be one of the other of them

[01:13:24] so...

[01:13:26] Right but he doesn't know that at this time

[01:13:28] but nonetheless I think he is still...

[01:13:30] No yeah yeah.

[01:13:31] I think he's still building up some trust that he can use later

[01:13:34] I don't think it's genuine.

[01:13:36] And it's the show I think to building up this sort of false expectation

[01:13:41] so that betrayal will hit all the harder

[01:13:44] right it seems like a sweet moment between these two guys

[01:13:46] and they're dropping their guard and making a connection.

[01:13:50] It's only true one of them.

[01:13:54] So a couple others...

[01:13:58] One is in retrospect I think it was fairly obvious

[01:14:02] that the front man is the brother.

[01:14:05] Wait wait let me...

[01:14:06] I want to say one more thing about Sang-moon Ali.

[01:14:10] Ali gives Sang-moon some corn.

[01:14:12] He wants to give him the whole thing

[01:14:14] to thank him for saving his life back in the Tung-gore

[01:14:19] and Sang-moon resists he says,

[01:14:21] he doesn't want to die but then he takes half.

[01:14:24] And that's his same quality that he's had

[01:14:27] throughout where he's uncomfortable with praise, you know?

[01:14:30] And like what you've been saying is why he wants to get

[01:14:33] gihun out of the picture because gihun keeps praising him

[01:14:36] and he doesn't want to be confronted with the fact

[01:14:38] that he doesn't actually measure up to that.

[01:14:40] But I think...

[01:14:42] I don't know the way I read this

[01:14:44] without having a firm memory of all the details

[01:14:47] that happen although I do remember that

[01:14:49] that he betrays and tricks Ali.

[01:14:52] But anyway, I do think there's a part of him

[01:14:54] where he just doesn't feel worthy.

[01:14:58] He knows he's not as good a person as everyone thinks he is

[01:15:02] and he's strong.

[01:15:04] I do think there's some struggle with it.

[01:15:06] I don't think it's pure calculation and pretence in there

[01:15:10] but I don't know for sure.

[01:15:13] I don't disagree with you.

[01:15:16] I think there's a level on which he knows it's not right

[01:15:23] and he feels bad about it.

[01:15:26] But I think he also knows he's going to do it anyway.

[01:15:29] Yeah.

[01:15:31] He's like the scorpion on the frogs back.

[01:15:34] It's his nature.

[01:15:37] So two more, one is the frontman.

[01:15:42] We're going to learn as his brother.

[01:15:46] Maybe obvious is too strong but it makes a lot of sense.

[01:15:51] And I think honestly I might have suspected it the first time

[01:15:54] I watch the show just because there's so much

[01:15:57] that goes into this hunt, you know there's going to be some payoff.

[01:16:00] You can't just turn out to be a random like player guard.

[01:16:05] I can't remember what I thought

[01:16:07] but I think it was interesting that June Ho thinks

[01:16:14] this circle face guy killed his brother

[01:16:17] and then the circle guy says no,

[01:16:21] it's going into that room over there where the leader is

[01:16:24] and you'll find the record.

[01:16:26] So he references his brother there even though neither one of them knows

[01:16:30] he's doing that.

[01:16:32] It's just kind of the show giggling at us a little bit like

[01:16:36] he's looking for his brother and then we just referenced him.

[01:16:39] And you didn't even know.

[01:16:41] Yeah, I think you're right.

[01:16:43] Yeah, I think you're right about that.

[01:16:46] And then the last one is

[01:16:49] and I don't know if we're ever going to get an answer

[01:16:52] to this in season two or not or probably never

[01:16:55] but and we've sort of debated it before.

[01:16:59] So if you look at the old man

[01:17:02] it seems really genuinely ill and he has a fever

[01:17:07] and that can't be an act.

[01:17:10] I guess wedding himself could be but I kind of doubt

[01:17:14] he would do that.

[01:17:15] It's kind of humiliating.

[01:17:17] So again, I was compelled to wonder how protected is he

[01:17:22] if at all or was it really his desire to play the game

[01:17:27] genuinely as you feel I'm near the end of my life anyway

[01:17:30] this helps me rediscover a childhood joy

[01:17:33] and it's all genuine.

[01:17:36] And if that's not true and he is protected

[01:17:40] then all this talk from the frontman about a fair game

[01:17:44] is really being violated.

[01:17:46] Yeah, and the frontman was the one who ended the riots

[01:17:51] when he saw that the old man called for the end of the riot.

[01:17:54] So that seems like a not equal playing field right there

[01:17:59] even just that moment.

[01:18:01] He did something because this guy called for it.

[01:18:05] So yeah, we've talked through this a little bit already

[01:18:10] but it seems like in some cases with the tug of war

[01:18:13] it would be hard to see how the old man could be protected

[01:18:16] so it seems like if he is protected sometimes

[01:18:19] he's not protected all the time but he did have...

[01:18:23] I mean obviously they didn't kill him at the end.

[01:18:26] Yeah.

[01:18:27] Yeah, and they didn't kill him.

[01:18:29] So yeah, what is that?

[01:18:31] And I don't understand why the frontman...

[01:18:35] like we know he won the game, it's June Ho's brother

[01:18:38] he won the game and so he came back

[01:18:40] and now he's helping administer the game

[01:18:42] and it did seem like he was particularly idealistic

[01:18:45] about all these people didn't have fairness in their life

[01:18:47] so now we're giving a chance under a fair playing field

[01:18:50] and it seems like that has something to do

[01:18:52] with his own personal experience with the game

[01:18:54] but I don't totally understand it.

[01:18:56] Yeah, and if it is true that the old man has special status

[01:19:01] then that whole speech becomes a lot more cynical

[01:19:05] because he knows that the playing field is not level.

[01:19:08] Maybe he resents it.

[01:19:09] But I felt that way more after watching the show the first time

[01:19:13] rewatching it, I'm not so sure

[01:19:16] that he's not just playing for real.

[01:19:19] Mm-hmm.

[01:19:22] But we know he doesn't get killed when he...

[01:19:24] We do know that.

[01:19:26] So...

[01:19:28] Yeah, but I think there's a really good chance

[01:19:32] that the soldiers come in to the dorm

[01:19:36] and I think they're searching for the last member of the group

[01:19:42] that did the whole organ harvesting scheme

[01:19:46] and they're trying to see if maybe one of the contestants...

[01:19:48] He disguises one of the contestants

[01:19:50] that's what I got out of that.

[01:19:52] And so they gather everybody into the room

[01:19:55] but the old man's too sick and bad to get out

[01:19:57] and they point their guns at him.

[01:19:59] And I don't think they knew that he's anything special.

[01:20:03] Maybe they did, but I get the feeling

[01:20:07] they probably don't know what the leader

[01:20:09] of the whole Squid Game looks like, you know?

[01:20:11] Yeah, it's hard to really know.

[01:20:14] I think it's...

[01:20:16] And I don't mind something being left ambiguous in a show

[01:20:18] but it's more ambiguous than I thought

[01:20:20] after watching the show the first time.

[01:20:23] Hmm, I just don't remember.

[01:20:25] I had a few other things...

[01:20:31] When Geemun's telling Il-Nam,

[01:20:34] the old man, the story of this...

[01:20:36] Well, he calls it a strike

[01:20:37] but I would say it's more of a sit-in

[01:20:39] and doesn't realize he's...

[01:20:42] Maybe talking to just the kind of person

[01:20:44] who would have ordered his security team

[01:20:46] to go in and route out these protesters.

[01:20:49] Absolutely.

[01:20:51] Heavy irony there and...

[01:20:54] And the old man expresses sympathy

[01:20:57] that, oh, this is probably painful for you

[01:20:59] but not really sympathy for the thing itself.

[01:21:02] Not like, oh, they shouldn't have done that.

[01:21:04] He doesn't seem to be saving like that.

[01:21:06] Yeah, maybe it's just that he has more of a connection

[01:21:09] with Geemun versus the situation at all.

[01:21:14] And then...

[01:21:16] So we know that...

[01:21:19] June has brother, who ain't in hoe won the game

[01:21:23] and now he helps administer it.

[01:21:26] And I think...

[01:21:28] I mean, this is spoiler or so.

[01:21:30] We'll say it but Geemun wins the game.

[01:21:32] I know he wins the game.

[01:21:34] But I think then doesn't he say something about

[01:21:37] that he's gonna try to stop the games?

[01:21:40] I seem to remember something like that.

[01:21:42] Oh yeah, well at the very end of the show.

[01:21:46] Basically...

[01:21:49] He's getting on a plane to go see his daughter in America

[01:21:54] because he's got money now.

[01:21:56] And he runs into the envelope guy

[01:21:59] and then he ends up calling the number

[01:22:01] and they're like, just get on that plane.

[01:22:04] Don't do anything stupid.

[01:22:06] And he basically is like, no, I'm gonna stop you.

[01:22:10] That's the end of the original show.

[01:22:13] So...

[01:22:15] Because I would think, you know,

[01:22:17] as the...

[01:22:19] If I set up these squid games

[01:22:22] and I gave...

[01:22:24] You know, you end up killing everyone

[01:22:26] but one winner gets

[01:22:29] $100 million, right?

[01:22:31] What is it?

[01:22:32] It's hundreds of millions isn't it?

[01:22:33] Or at least tens of millions.

[01:22:34] I think it's like $10.

[01:22:36] $10.5 million, yeah.

[01:22:37] 35.

[01:22:38] That would empower them

[01:22:40] and you'd want...

[01:22:41] I wonder if the admins feel secure

[01:22:43] that the winners won't use their money

[01:22:44] to do something about the games.

[01:22:46] If I win the lottery,

[01:22:49] I'm shutting the lottery down.

[01:22:50] I know that.

[01:22:51] But you know what I mean?

[01:22:54] Because that's exactly what Guillain is gonna do

[01:22:56] but I guess in the 2030 plus years

[01:22:58] of the games no one's ever done that until now.

[01:23:02] No, he's kind of the first resentful winner

[01:23:05] to get the son.