60: "Ahsoka Season One Wrap Up"

[00:00:00] The Mandalorian

[00:00:33] Woke up the witches, rebuilt the starship. It wasn't safe to come here alone. Well you're not alone anymore. Let's try the front door. Hello and welcome to the Star Wars TV cast broadcasting around the world and across the galaxy. This is Episode 60. I'm Jonathan and I'm James.

[00:01:06] And I'm Kristen. This week we are wrapping up Season 1 of Ahsoka. So join us as we discuss Season 1 and react to all our amazing feedback that we got from you guys. Yes, and welcome back dear listeners and thank you for joining us for all the ups and downs

[00:01:23] of Season 1 of Ahsoka. We had the debut of Thoron and Ezra, epic lightsaber battles, a new galaxy, witches and whales and zombies. Oh my! The return of Anakin, the petulance of Sabine, the rise of Ahsoka but Zeb was nowhere to be seen.

[00:01:41] Chopper looked great, Hera was a general and Carson went paleo. We lost the great Ray Stevenson who brought us a Star Wars villain for the ages and his apprentice Shin who struck fear into the hearts of parents around the globe. What if our teenager had the force?

[00:01:59] We had live action appearance of the best droid ever, Hu Yang. Our heroes and villains may be stuck in another galaxy but we are here to break down the season and respond to all the feedback from the best Star Wars fans in the galaxy and to see if

[00:02:14] my list of demands was even listened to. But first I want to welcome and thank my wonderful co-hosts Kristen and James. Welcome guys. Hello, hello. Hi. I think we're done Jonathan. We've summed up the season already. I think we can go home now. Yeah, I think we're done.

[00:02:30] Alright, we're checking in. That's a wrap. See you in season two. Bye. See you in 2026. Peace out. Well, thank you guys. What a great season it was. I think in the end it was pretty good and were you welcome back Kristen from her epic camping trip?

[00:02:46] How did that go? It was good. It was, it's supposed to be a 12 hour drive there, 12 hour drive back but we happened to leave at the exact wrong time both ways. And so, so the trip ended up being 15 hours. 15 hours.

[00:03:04] Yeah, it was really, it was a lot of driving and I don't really think that we've recovered from the drive just yet. We're still very exhausted but we had an amazing time. We always do.

[00:03:17] We went with our best friends and our kids are all the same age and well, we went with Jill and her family. So Jill is a Zed head. She's a part of the podcast community and it was wonderful.

[00:03:29] We did it last year, we did this year, we'll do it next year. It's fun. Amazing, amazing. And James, how are you? I know that you have made some very important purchases in additions to the family, James. Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:42] I won't lie, I was slightly drunk on the train home late last week and I was on Facebook marketplace and then by Saturday evening I'd purchased two vintage arcade cabinets that needed some work.

[00:03:55] So I have comedy pictures of me trying to shove them in the back of my car. It's hilarious. And what particular games did you pick up? Oh, I've got 1943 and I, my favorite I picked up Rastan, which is, I don't

[00:04:15] know if you know it's based on like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's a very sort of Conan kind of thing. But the guy gave me another game like that he found covered in dust in the corner as well.

[00:04:24] So I've been learning how to swap out old PCB boards and not blow myself up with 50,000 volts on the back of a TV tube, which is my wife is really pleased about. Well, that's good.

[00:04:36] I'm glad we got to do this season wrap up episode before you find yourself, James. Thanks. This is a really interesting thing. Hang on, you really did this. This is funny. Yeah, sadly I've got, I've got. I already have one machine.

[00:04:50] I've had a couple in the past and then I just I've gone down a really deep rabbit hole of like I found a community near me who restores them with their original parts like so no LCD or LED screens.

[00:05:04] These are the old TV tubes at 40 years old and scary as anything when you take that, you know, because you as they've warned me, they retain their power. Even if you unplug them, that tube can hold up to 50,000

[00:05:17] volts. You have to like dissipate the power before you go near it. You can't touch this. You can't touch that. So it scared the bejesus out of me for a bit. But yeah. Well, I'm glad you survived the first repairs under new system,

[00:05:32] James, and that James will be selling admission to his basement archive. Yeah, there's this is running joke that there's going to be a bunch of teenage boys in my basement and it's just going wrong. It's just it's just a painting of wrong.

[00:05:47] That you don't want to go too far into. All right, not with teenage daughters. That's for sure. No, no. Yeah, exactly. They're not interested. You're going to think about home. I am. Yes. After an epic journey through Paris and a little stop off in a

[00:06:02] beta, all the joy of my my time away was ripped out of me from about a 48 travel time in dodgy hotels and very crammed economy. And, you know, I think the flight back was about 36 hours. But we are here. Yeah, it was it was a long trip.

[00:06:23] But I'm glad to be back in Sydney. And now looking back, you know, it was wonderful to be in Paris, especially while listening to the Daryl podcast. It was it was quite surreal to be wandering around there. I want to be back and the beef was amazing.

[00:06:38] I hadn't been well, I went last year and it was just very nice to see the the Mediterranean. And of course, I was thinking of Rome many times across the water as you are every day. Most of us. Yes. Absolutely. Well, thank you, everybody.

[00:06:55] And it's been a great season. I'm glad you're all along the ride with us. And James and Kristen, it's been great fun to do it with you. So listen, let's let's jump off and see what your impressions for the Soka Season One was. Kristen, let's start with you.

[00:07:11] Yeah. So the impressions of that I had for Season One is that I had a really good time with Jonathan and James. The podcast was really fun. No, I've had a really good time with you guys, too. I'm going to miss it.

[00:07:25] I'm going to miss the two of you very much after this is over. We can do solo next week if you want. I'm into it. I'll do solo. I'll yell at you for now. That sounds great. Same time next week. I may or may not be here. See.

[00:07:39] See, you know, he may or may not be here. Let's see what happens there. I might be washing my hair. We're going to cover solo. But I'll be thinking of Rome. I really, really enjoyed a Soka. I went the past just in the past hour.

[00:07:56] I kind of flipped through, you know, some some of my old my favorite scenes over the course of the season. And I got stuck on my favorite episode and I watched it the whole way through. And I really, it was nice having watched the whole season

[00:08:11] to just sit back and just enjoy the show for what it was. And I'm really excited to just watch again and really enjoy it and think, Godly. I think Rosario Dawson just knocked it out of the park. Yeah, just two thumbs up. Excellent.

[00:08:27] James, what were your thoughts of the Season One of a Soka? Well, I mean, I enjoyed it as well. I mean, as someone who I didn't know much about this or anything about these characters. So, you know, I went in excitement and a quizzical, youthful feeling.

[00:08:42] Shall we say? I wanted to be schooled on the back story, you know, these new new characters and stuff. And I have to say I'd been lost without doing this podcast with you too. Right. Because the and also everyone on the Facebook page as well.

[00:08:56] It's like because I learned so much from that that I didn't get from the show. I mean, it was a fun ride. And I met these new cool characters and stuff. But like I wanted a bit more flashback, a bit more backstory to this.

[00:09:08] I mean, I was there was a lot of feeling the blanks yourself, wasn't there? Yeah, there was. And I and I would love this to have been like 12 episodes. And then we spaced it out with some dedicated flashbacks

[00:09:19] to maybe what Ezra been up to, what Thrawn even some who Yang back story. You know, and I think that would give us a nice change of pace and different styles in storytelling, perhaps I think that would have been that would really fleshed it out for me.

[00:09:32] I mean, in general, I enjoyed it. I, you know, I have some moanie gripes, which I'll get to later as well. But it's it was good. It was fun. It is no and or but it was. Yeah, it was pleasure.

[00:09:49] But what I think there's room for both and and it's, you know, and it wasn't a new and it was a good asoka. You know, it was a good asoka. And like, and I have to say as well, I was introduced to so many new characters

[00:10:03] because I didn't know any of them. But interestingly, I think I've got a list here if I may. So I have three favorite characters that I take away from this series and stuff. And and you might I don't know. And none of them are the main ones.

[00:10:17] I mean, my first one is who you hang. Of course, the most human, neurotic, wise old droid has ever been like brilliant. It's like David Tennant's delivery and his capture acting is amazing. And I mean, if you took like the best parts of Kate,

[00:10:33] where so in a sprinkling of three P.O. That's what you saw. You that's what you get who you hang, isn't it? And I think it's kind of like the tiniest sprinkle ever. Yeah, I knew. Yeah, I know you hate three P. No, I know you hate him.

[00:10:45] So you call him. I don't hate him. I know. Hate is a bad word. It leads to the dark side. Remember. But no, I thought he was great. And again, it's like, can you imagine the stories that you could have?

[00:11:00] And the the the tales of who Yang is literally, you know, him sat by a fireside reading stories to younglings. You could have season upon season of like that. So I thought he was brilliant. And I'm excited to see more of him next time.

[00:11:14] And then I know I said this a million times and what shame. I'm like, you know, Bayland Skull. Yeah, Skull, I think was incredible and like. And it's a real shame about Ray.

[00:11:26] And yeah, I did just quote the lemon heads before anyone sort of picks up on that. No one picked up on that. Did they? But regardless of the sample, that's a shame about Ray. Yeah, the lemon heads for my straggler. It's a shame about Ray. Oh, OK.

[00:11:42] But it is a shame about Ray. We're like, yes. But I was going to say that it's his character, regardless of like what losing Ray and stuff is an amazing character. He's played really well by him. It's incredible.

[00:11:54] And but the backstory, I mean, I'm obsessed with backstories after this because I've met all these characters and I want to know more and I'm greedy. But I want to see a recast younger, Bayland.

[00:12:05] I want to see a spin off of like, you know, how do you order 66? How do you turn his back on the Jedi order? You know, it shows the story of this guy who's clearly been through a lot because the way he stares off to the sky.

[00:12:18] It's definitely. And he seems to have a very complicated past with Anakin. Yes, exactly. There's a yeah, exactly. There's some sort of respect and animosity and there's any. And it'd be interesting to say, I'm sure at some point they've crossed paths, haven't they?

[00:12:36] In some shape or form, I imagine. And that'd be fascinating to see that. But I also think he's but also and then jump forward to what we'll hopefully get next time. It's like he's clearly on a path to his own version of enlightenment

[00:12:48] or what he sees as solving the galaxy. And I just, you know, I think it's amazing. Well, it was interesting because it's something that we didn't really address was the was that he was standing on at the end on the stature

[00:13:03] of the of the mortars gods of the father with the son next to him. And and that wasn't really my favorite part of the Clone Wars. And we don't want to do my rewatch. I always skip those sections, but it looks like we're going to be in

[00:13:19] with the mortars gods for season two. And what is he going to do? That's a big question. So those the mortars gods, as you just said, they were also in rebels. That was the mural that was painted and it was the doorway

[00:13:37] into the world between worlds for Ezra once it was activated. So that was it touched on both, which was very cool. So we'll be interesting to and I'm sure they'll recast them because because. Yeah. And I think it will be, you know, a really good ode to

[00:13:58] Ray Stevenson because he created such a good character that you just can't you just can't just sort of close that down and I mean, there's no you can't have like a, you know, I mean, and I know he passed.

[00:14:12] You know, they filmed everything, but if they weren't planning to continue his character, I don't think one of your final epilogue shots would have been staring off at something at a destination because that's a little bit like you did just cut that.

[00:14:25] But I'm also I haven't given any thought to who I would want to see recast him. I feel there's some big boots to fill. I kind of feel it probably be an unknown or someone that

[00:14:37] is like a complete like, I mean, I'm trusting in I'm trusting in the casting gods that they get. Well, I mean, I. Don't know. I was just going to say, I just always remember back to Spartacus and

[00:14:48] the tragedy between that and when, you know, the first actor passed and everyone was in up in arms. Oh, we can never do that. You can never do it. And then halfway through the final season with with Liam, you were like

[00:15:02] you, you all they blended together and such a good job of like is, you know, his characteristics and traits. And I imagine that is the plan for this. They'll try and find somebody who can study the way Ray played him

[00:15:16] because he did such a great job in creating the character. Yes, absolutely. Well, that is his star was legacy. Yeah. Yeah, I really like the idea of him being cast, recast by an unknown because I think that that will probably be best because if it's

[00:15:31] a really big actor, we're going to expect that like the big actor. Yeah. And they want to and they want to put their take on it. Yeah. Exactly. I keep coming back to the of Shriver, I think

[00:15:46] has a looks and the size and the the the gravitas that that might be able to step into it. Yeah, exactly. James and I have both had interactions. James worked with him. I've cooked burgers with him. I don't I think Leia's too big a guy to do it.

[00:16:05] I mean, he's he's he's great and he's too well-known. I mean, I don't know who could be wrong. Yeah. And I see what you mean. He's got the same. Yeah. The more you think physical presence, I think. Yeah. The physical presence and his moodiness and his

[00:16:22] his gravitas and everything. I mean, just just work on the beard. Yeah. Yeah, well, obviously, the circle won't be up. Be up for it to won't be up for be out for about five years. So he's got so he's got time to grow. He's got some time.

[00:16:39] And I have one one of the yes character that really took me in. And that and that was was Morgan Ellsworth. Really, I'm fascinated by that as we know by the witchy world stuff and how it's different from the force and I'm because I'm

[00:16:54] learning for the first time really about apart from playing the games and stuff, but about Dathomir and like we had enough instances where sabers weren't lethal. So I think she could have survived that. Well, may she will she be a

[00:17:10] be reconstituted as a Morgan zombie in the next. I don't think she'd be Morgan zombie. I think that her spirit, Jonathan, has been transformed into her bone ball. Is it? Anyway, I'm excited to watch season two of The Real Housewives of Dathomir. It's going to be great.

[00:17:32] I think it's going to be an awesome spin off. The great. I'm excited for that reunion. Well, I don't think we mentioned it during the season, but Morgan was played by Diana Lee Innosanto, is the daughter of martial arts legend Dan Innosanto.

[00:17:49] But it's also known that she's the goddaughter of Bruce Lee. Which is where she gets all her training. So she grew up with Bruce Lee. That's why where she gets her middle name. So that's where all her skills were.

[00:18:02] And I thought the skills that she brought to the lightsaber battles that were fantastic, especially the final one with the green fire sword. I think she was phenomenal. That was amazing. Just. I mean, she. That was for me. I was like, this is incredible.

[00:18:19] And that's what was so upsetting about that. And then he said, you can't one, you can't leave behind it too. You can't cut it off. And I was doing this on a minute. So, yeah, so I'm those three characters like the takeaways from me.

[00:18:32] And I know it's not, you know, the main ones, but I know these are things that drive me to watch. Yeah. And these are the three that I think that those were main characters. Yeah. I mean, you only was a main. Yeah, they were all.

[00:18:47] But it was a big ensemble cast, wasn't it? Because it certainly wasn't the Ahsoka show. No, we'll get to. They were some great new characters. And Kristen, any other thoughts before we get into the feedback? No, I mean, you know, I would be remiss not to mention Ezra.

[00:19:05] I think that Ezra was perfectly cast, perfectly played, perfect, 100 percent. You know, I really, really can't wait to see more of him next season or even his own show. Yeah. And that's the interesting thing is with

[00:19:22] with Disney Star Wars now, because I know that this is all leading up to a philoni, avenger style movie. But I wonder what what what shows will get in the future, whether there actually will be a Ahsoka season two or whether it will be,

[00:19:41] you know, the Ezra show or or the Zeb show. I think I've heard rumblings that the theory is that they they need to tie up enough and get this story a bit further. I think there will be a season two of Ahsoka and that will lead into

[00:19:56] the event, whatever that may be. And I presume what else do we get them to get there? We would get. I don't know what. Well, Mando seems like a wrapped up. Yeah. Yeah. Or at least one in a different direction.

[00:20:11] And I mean, it's it's not Mando as in him. Is it? I mean, we might we might get into the book of town show. Yeah, which, you know, I'm fine with and stuff. And if it's about the tribe and how the Mandalorians, you know, progress

[00:20:26] and then, dear God, we're not getting a Boba Fett second season. No, I think that I think the the Vesper gang will be getting their own series, which we all can't wait for. Yeah, probably on Nickelodeon. Yeah. And I don't know.

[00:20:44] Yeah, this whole thing of bringing it all together for a big event. I'm just trying to think what other vehicles are in play that will come together because Mando seems to run out of steam. This one's great. Yeah. And then did we ever get what's the rogue squadron?

[00:21:01] Did they ever get off the ground? No, I don't think that's happening. But we do have the the one with God. Yeah, it's the kids lost in space one with them. What's his name? Oh, we've got Skeleton crew. Have a Skeleton crew.

[00:21:17] Yeah. Yes, it was Skeleton crew, of course, is coming out in possibly twenty twenty four. And of course, we've got Andor season two, James in August, apparently. But the who's the actor in that's going to be in Skeleton crew? Jude Law, that's right. Yes, Jude Law. Yeah.

[00:21:36] And so but that might be interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that one could be good. Rumbling so far. Yeah. Yeah. And it's that and timeline wise, that plays out along the same time as this. I'm not quite sure. But because because Andor obviously doesn't because that's been gone.

[00:21:56] So that's not going to be part of this event. So no, I'm just I'm just curious. But I think it'll just be Mando. So it'll be Mando and all their crew, possibly some Obi-Wan.

[00:22:06] I'm sure we're going to get some more Anakin and and and the lore wrap up. But I'm pretty sure there's going to be a anisoka season two, probably in twenty twenty five. One would imagine because I think the movie is time for release in twenty

[00:22:25] twenty six as far as saying with the news we had today and stuff. I don't think everything. Oh, yeah, the actors, the actors. I was really, really hoping I was going to go back to work. Exactus. So before we get into that makes me sad.

[00:22:41] I know. But but before we get into all your wonderful feedback and just in case the actors do stay and strike forever, don't forget that we've got the Lokiverse podcast is out at the moment and season two of Loki is kicked off.

[00:22:58] And if you didn't watch season one, you've got all that to check out. And Kirk Manley, Alex and Sydney have just recapped season one and they're doing a brilliant deep dive into all the laws. So make sure you check out that.

[00:23:11] And James, you like season one, didn't you? Oh, yeah, I loved. I mean, I'd have to go back and rewatch it and listen to the podcast because it's been a while. But like what I remember, I loved it. I mean, I. Yeah. I mean, Tom Hiddleston is brilliant.

[00:23:24] Yeah, he's. And again, it was one of those. I mean, I gushed about and or loads about this. But just the I loved all the retro kind of set design and the weirdness to Loki and everything. It was I mean, getting turned into spaghetti was getting spaghettified.

[00:23:43] Really, it's just really trippy and it's just so much fun because you can you can bend time and space and do anything and so that lots of possibilities can get really creative. And yeah, really, really important to the fun on that one.

[00:23:56] Are you watching it as well, Kristen? I watched season one. Yes. We will watch anything Marvel. You know, but you sounds like you have a fun household. We do. We do. Big and the nerd culture. Yeah, that couch must be well. Oh, is it ever?

[00:24:17] You know, but I don't know. I loved Loki just as much as you guys. So or just as much as you, James, I just thought it was like you said, really super fun. It had a great story and it just opens up so many possibilities

[00:24:29] for the future of Marvel. So and Tom Hiddleston is chef's kiss. Yeah, have you seen the night manager? You see the night manager? No, you should watch the night manager. Tom Hiddleston is incredible in that. I'm going to write it down. Yes, to him and you, Laurie.

[00:24:47] I get so many suggestions and inspiration from you guys. Like I have this. I just read the list. And so seriously, I think I can't remember what it was. It was about three years ago, but it was great.

[00:25:00] It's really well written, really strong, dark sort of crime story. Very good. Very good. Good. Not for the kids. I wouldn't. I don't think it's a Marvel thing. You watch that and you just thought he is the next James Bond. All right, that's interesting.

[00:25:20] So I'm saying, I mean, there was rumbles of that, but I don't think I don't think he. Anyway, moving on, Jonathan. So I'm still hoping for Idris Elba. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, you know, you know who's, you know, who's attached,

[00:25:35] don't you to direct the next two, you know, the rumors? Yeah, Christopher Nolan, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that'll be Christopher Nolan. So my theory is Killian Murphy. Right. Young Bond, which will be incredible because it'd be a proper spy, not a man show thing.

[00:25:51] It'd be like a thinking man's spy. I think that would be brilliant. You know, I've never seen a Bond movie. Oh, God. I guess we'll be right back. No, that's a little too far too long. That's really interesting. You never watched even one out of curiosity.

[00:26:10] But is it a purposeful decision or just haven't got around to it? Oh, I just haven't gotten around to it. That's so interesting. Didn't interest me to like go see it and that's so interesting. I understand the whole lore of it and I understand the story

[00:26:23] and I understand how like I understand all that. Easily kick off with just the recent ones, couldn't you, James? Now dare you know, you start with Dr. Nolan, you work your way through them. God damn it. That's our next podcast. I'm still processing the fact she hasn't seen.

[00:26:39] She hasn't seen one. It's amazing. Yeah, I'd start with moon raker. You make me a list. I'll follow the list. Google like James Bond chronological order. I think it's 27 or 30 of them. Oh my gosh, that's so many. Says the woman who sat through rebels twice.

[00:27:02] Yeah, and and last three watch. Yeah, lost three. Watched twice and complained about the length of 30 movies. But you have a 30 movie. And none of them are Marvel. Hey, hey, hey, Chris Evans and half of them were made in the one, the 60s, 70s, 80s.

[00:27:21] So half of them are only an hour and 20 minutes. That's true. Second TV. All right, I can do that. TV eight. You could definitely jump into the recent ones with. I expect to rewatch James Bond in three weeks from you, Chris, chop, chop. All right.

[00:27:37] But so look if you're wondering what to watch and need a new podcast, you're all set with the with the Loki verse. Yes, sorry, Loki, not James Bond. Loki, sorry. Sorry. But yeah, Chris and I watch James Bond get back to us.

[00:27:52] All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back with all your feedback. All right, welcome back. Let's hop in our starship, head out into space and get into your feedback for season one of us. So car. All right, let's do it.

[00:28:22] Let's do a quick recap of the last episode with a very handy live Steve. And thank you, Steve, for all all your support this season. Steve Brown is one of the great contributors of podcastica. And and if you listen to any of the other podcasts,

[00:28:40] you know that there's generally a live Steve to enjoy. So here we go. Hello, Star Wars cast is Steve. And here we go with the season finale of a soca. Oh, what are the great mothers going to do to Morgan Elsbeth?

[00:28:52] Give her something. Oh, she's going to be rewarded. OK, they're giving her the blade of Tarzan. Is that what they said? Tarzan. Now she has a glowy sword. Oh, the Jedi, the witch and the warlord. I love it. Oh, so now

[00:29:05] Ezra has his own lightsaber, a new lightsaber, but Sabine slides his old one. But you guys said it's not as I don't remember. Very good callback right there. She said, I try, I try. Oh, no, no, I do, I do.

[00:29:17] Oh, she just destroyed those two tie fighters with just the wings. Uh oh, but it's crashing. OK, so they're going to attack the Star Destroyer with two howler horses and two Jedi. I guess that's something. I was wondering if they just showed Sabine, put her helmet back on.

[00:29:31] But I thought it got left in the other galaxy. I guess not. OK, so they dispatched the night troopers pretty handily and now the night mothers are, I don't know, chanting something. Are they going to show us Lord Bailon again?

[00:29:45] The night troopers are what is going on with this green smoky stuff with them? It will, if they weren't before, I guess they are now zombie stormtroopers. You all were right. The eye of Sauron was so that the Star Destroyer would be able to travel

[00:29:57] through hyperspace back to the other galaxy. OK, so these two night troopers that Ezra and Sabine are fighting are different. They're wearing best car. Are they zombies too? But I know Kristen's going to hate it that Sabine just made her lightsaber fly into her hand.

[00:30:11] Oh, did that blade of Tarzan just cut one of Ahsoka's lightsabers in half? It looks like it did. And it looks like Ahsoka just cut Morgan Elsforth in half. She's done, maybe the witches just said it. Morgan is dead. So now it's drawn an Ezra on the space.

[00:30:28] The Star Destroyer going back. Of course, he and got the ship fixed just in time. And now they're going to latch on to the Star Destroyer like you guys said, you think? Well, he called her a Ronin, which is like a rogue samurai.

[00:30:37] Right? Would that be the same thing as a Jedi? Oh, so Shin stuck there too. Well, and Thrawn has met up with the rest of the Imperial fleet, I guess. At Darth Dothamir. Don't whatever. At Chopper knows it's Ezra in that stormtrooper suit.

[00:30:52] And they barely showed us Bailon that that like mountain he found looked a lot like him on there's Anakin's force ghost. All right, bring on season two. Excellent. Thank you, Steve Brown. And that wasn't excellent recap. I know how I was like, that's handy.

[00:31:11] But yeah, so getting back, I actually did a full season rewatch on the on the plane on the way back. Just going to say, yeah, which is which was actually really good. And it was all it was all better than than I remember.

[00:31:25] And I actually really enjoyed everything. And I actually got to watch the last couple of episodes on the big screen when I got home and it looked awesome. It looks so good. So that's one thing that I've really liked is how good it all looks.

[00:31:40] And I think in styles. Brilliant. Yeah, but I did notice that Hugh Young had picked up Sabine's helmet at the Henge when they were trying to find a circus. So that's so that's where he was holding it wasn't it?

[00:31:53] Yeah, he was holding it and and Kristen, were you annoyed that Sabine was able to use? I think I think we all know the answer to that one. We do it again. Season that one. Yes, I think I was screaming screaming all the way into France.

[00:32:11] We had to do a double duel of the fates for that one. Yeah, because your first watch, you got a really grainy watch because you couldn't have really good service. So you got to actually see the last episode. Yeah, I was watching it on the phone.

[00:32:25] Must have been great. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, actually I watched the last one on the phone as well because I was traveling on the train. So yeah, I should go down the basement and watch it properly. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you Steve.

[00:32:37] So any other thoughts on the last episode before we move on? Yep. Okay. All right. Well, let's jump into your feedback. Standing by Red 6, standing by. Good night. Standing by. Red 2, standing by. Red 11, standing by. Red 5, standing by. Lock-ass foils in attack position. Okay, thank you everybody.

[00:33:05] We've had an overwhelming response and it's going to be great fun to go through everything and a couple more voicemails to come. But let's jump off with the Ronaldo Calite and I'm mentoring this either the General Thrawns Accent. Oh my God. Let me try. Let me try.

[00:33:24] Ahsoka podcast. Okay. Obi-Wan, here comes Obi-Wan. No, I'm trying to remember it. So Ahsoka podcast, allow me to commend you for your efforts on producing an excellent podcast and Facebook Messenger group chat. I regret that I haven't met you all face to face and perhaps I never shall.

[00:33:45] I know you guys are great podcasters because I heard great things about your podcast on Andorre. I concluded your approach to Ahsoka would be similar to what you did on Andorre, perhaps podcast echo is where podcasters like you three truly belong. Long live the mando verse.

[00:34:04] All right, but that wasn't too good. But it wasn't something. Yeah, let's not do that anymore. Geez. I will never do that again. There we go. I mean, I thought you were going into it. You should just give up and do the whole thing

[00:34:15] as Obi-Wan for the rest of the tonight. Come on. Let's see if you can do it. And Rinaldi goes on to say thank you, Jonathan James and Kristen for all the work you have done to make this Ahsoka podcast possible.

[00:34:27] Here's a top five ranking of my five favorite parts of the finale. My grade for the finale in the show as a whole. My grade for the finale and the show as a whole is a B plus. All right. So number one,

[00:34:38] thrown boasting about his victory to Ahsoka before entering hyperspace leaving Ahsoka with Sabine on the planet. That was quite funny. Redeemed Anakin Skywalker as a force ghost. Good to see him. Bailon riding near the statue of the mortis gods clearly intended discovering to the secrets to their power.

[00:34:58] Ezra building a new lightsaber with a blue kyber crystal and remembering Kane and Jarosalp was very nice. And Heeyoung had nice things to say about him when he was a young padawan named Calabdun. Morgan L. Speth versus Ahsoka part two. I'm pretty sure Morgan will be a zombie

[00:35:15] and there will be a part three. And I honestly enjoy this finale so much I could do a top 20 but I don't want to drag this out. This is Renaudi signing off and the May of the Force be with the three of you. Well, thank you Renaudi.

[00:35:29] I will say that the one thing that none of us really mentioned was Anakin Skywalker. And this is just as a whole for the season. I am such a hate crescent fan after this. I watched Shadow Warrior again. That was the episode that I caught up on.

[00:35:58] Man, I loved it even more. It's so good and I just, in the middle of it, I just felt myself wanting some kind of an Anakin show. Yeah. Just anything just so he could really explore that character. That's one of my favorite scenes of the whole season

[00:36:19] because I had no idea what the world between worlds was and then to see those sequences of Yunga Sokara in the Clone Wars live action and him and the interaction between them. And the full range we got from Hayden from like the,

[00:36:32] you know, the caring big brother as we talked about to like the toughen up to like, you know, and then drifting into Vega. In fact, I mean, I want more Hayden as well. I want a young Vader story. He's definitely getting the last laugh, isn't he?

[00:36:46] After you know, because they all say that, you know, the poor Jar Jar guy got some hate, but no one got more hate than Hayden Christensen over the years. And he's kind of just kind of shrunk it off, you know? Now he's back.

[00:37:01] But I thought the best he looked was when he had the shorter hair with the side part when he went back. It looked exactly like he would have during the Clone Wars. I'm just like, wow, if they can do that

[00:37:14] with the Yunga Sokara, they can do a whole series. Yes. And it would be fantastic. I would love that seriously. Like he would jump pre and post robot surgery. Yeah. You know, so like some of it is just as he becomes Vader

[00:37:28] and as he starts to find his way to the dark side. Oh, that'd be a good argument. You know, just bits and pieces of like, you know, before his demise, before, you know, he didn't have the higher ground and he got sort of cooked and all that stuff.

[00:37:43] But I think there's a lot of that idea. What a great idea. You could, you know, I mean, I've got so many ideas for flashback and flash forward spin off seasons. Basically every character. I'm a sucker for a flashback too.

[00:37:56] I mean, I have to say that was one thing about Boba Fett. Whatever then. I loved Boba Fett in the book of Boba Fett, the way they did that when he went into the back to tank and then it was like the backstory.

[00:38:07] I thought that was really well done. That was my favorite episode. Well, all the backstory stuff with him is the best. And you know, how he learned the ways of what they called the Sam people. What's their correct name? I was Tuscan Raiders.

[00:38:24] Yeah, we learned exactly that was great. I mean, if you could apply that technique to a Hayden Christensen sort of vehicle, Young Vader. There that'd be very exciting. Signing up for that. Yeah. Yeah. Should just be called Annie. A different kind of Annie. Tomorrow.

[00:38:48] It's a hard knock life for me. Order 66 is a hard knock life. Oh no. Anna Kitski, would everyone in the orphanage? Oh, I can see the musical now. We've got to write this, Greston. We've got to do this. Nothing better than a dancing Darth Vader. Is it? Exactly.

[00:39:11] It's called Annie the Dark Side. Have you seen that? There was actually a dance, Star Wars themed dancing video game where you copied it and it was like Han Solo doing the Han Solo. It sounds amazing. It's so amazing but highly embarrassing as well.

[00:39:31] All right, Greston why don't you take the next feedback comment. Sure. Veronica Hood says I was late to start watching but caught up in time for the finale. Reflecting back over Ahsoka, I found some of my favorite moments

[00:39:42] were actually listening to the three of you cover the show on the podcast. That's right. Greston's perspective only improved on how much I already loved the dynamic between Jonathan and James during their previous coverage of Anduin. There you go.

[00:39:55] I laughed at the fun audio clip edits that enhanced the podcast. Gassed audibly when Kristen revealed she had never seen Rocky. Never seen James Bond film either. Delighted. Delighted and James and Jonathan's accents me too. Enjoyed the growing banter between James and Kristen

[00:40:17] and loved the references to my other fandoms like the interlude of the hardfoot marching song from Rings of Power. But wait, this is supposed to be feedback on what I thought of the Ahsoka series. And maybe it's telling that I found myself instead reflecting on the podcast.

[00:40:34] I did love that we had a Star Wars series that had some beautiful visuals and some strong female leads. And at the end of the day, I think it finally gave me the push to dive into the catalog of Star Wars animated series.

[00:40:47] Maybe having the character context from those will make a rewatch of Ahsoka a more compelling experience. Either way, thanks for the thoughtful coverage and the intermingled laughs. You're welcome. Well, it is our pleasure. And that's really interesting.

[00:41:03] It would be good to trigger a Rebels watch and an animated series watch and then come back to watch a rewatch Ahsoka. I think that's a great little project. Yeah, I think if I actually do get back to traveling in that for work,

[00:41:18] I think I will load up as much as I can sort of rebels onto my iPad and I'll try and just crush through it and stuff. And I agree for running. I do as I said earlier.

[00:41:30] It's like I was a bit of a loss because there was a lot of assuming that most people had watched all of them. It was a series for the fans as well, wasn't it, Kristen? Yeah. I think so. But you know what? You also enjoyed yourself though, right?

[00:41:48] James? Yeah, no, I mean, I had a bit. Yeah, I mean, I'll watch anything Star Wars based to a point. I was so super annoyed when 3PO came back and it was such a member buried fan service

[00:42:05] but I couldn't help but sitting there smiling for me to see him walking. Yeah, it's so annoying. They've got me and I can't. Well, it's just to remind you that they have got you and they also think of everyone and

[00:42:17] I think everyone involved in these shows is a fan because they've all grown up with it. And it was enjoyable to watch even though I didn't know half of the characters in it and stuff. Now you do. Now you know. Now I do.

[00:42:31] And now I should go back and watch all the rest of it but we'll see if I'm managed to do it. But it was, I must admit some of my most enjoyable moments during the edit was the small arguments that broke happen to me. Kristen and James.

[00:42:46] I think to be honest, he's edited some of them out as well. This is where we got a little bit. Apparently I crossed a line or two. Apparently. Oh, I don't know. It was all feisty fun and then Kristen has no doubt held her own which has. Yeah.

[00:43:00] It's a form of affection. It's like it's been great fun. Yeah. If you crossed a line, I wasn't even aware that there was one. So here you go. No, Kristen, you've been amazing and fit right in and we would have loved having you

[00:43:14] along with us on this one. It's been great fun. Yeah. This has been very fun. Yeah, me too. All right, James. Sam Lowe says, you were right. They didn't wrap up everything. I definitely liked Ezra a lot this episode. I'm glad Sabine stayed behind to help us.

[00:43:30] Baylor's storyline reminds me of my favourites despite its continued mystery. They've really had no idea what to do with his character towards the end of season one. I think they do. I think they're playing the long game with it. Yeah, they were assuming a season two.

[00:43:48] I agree with that. Yeah, I mean, they're assuming they got green lit for a star. Sorry. Sabine and Sokka get their long delayed together. Oh, stop it, Sam. Come on, please. We don't need that extra bit. Lolls, Taylor, Sith joining the bandits. Okay, girl. My favourite force zombie.

[00:44:10] Oh no, hold on. We're stopping now. Do it. Do it, Kristen. What are you doing? Kristen's going to sing some Tate. I'm just singing Taylor Swift. Sorry. No, I'm fine. I have to listen to it. I'm the problem. It's me. There you go. I was going to harmonise.

[00:44:26] That's all I got. I will not do that because Jonathan will leave it in. My favourite force zombies, something I didn't know I wanted and needed. So great you guys called it too. They were bonkers. I want more of those still.

[00:44:41] Not quite sure why Thrawn is back on Dathomir, but it gives me hope that there will be more force zombies. I think that's exactly why he's there. He's going to have a force zombie factory. Yeah, we've got that ship load of caskets.

[00:44:55] So that's one little mystery that shall be revealed at some point. I think that's his whiskey distillery he was working on while he was away for 10 years. Ten-year-old malt I've been working on, these kegs. I haven't got any kegs. I've got these coffins. How about this galaxy? Exactly.

[00:45:10] A bunch of candy, rocks and... A fire list in the galaxy. Single malt. All right. Steve Barr, thanks for covering the show. Our pleasure. To justify Sabine's sudden abilities, I'm going to head canon that being on Peridia, boosts force abilities. All right. That's interesting.

[00:45:31] This also explains Shin staying instead of sensibly leaving, and Ezra wanting a lightsaber because he's hoping to leave the planet where he doesn't need one. I'm assuming the boost is a side effect from the mortis gods. Yeah. So that's going to be super interesting.

[00:45:48] We didn't really, as we said, dive into the mortis, but it looks like that will be a key focus of the next season. Yeah, for sure. I think so. If it's magic, why would magic boost force abilities? No, I don't... I think there's two things at play.

[00:46:02] I think the witch's magic is one thing, and the mortis god is another. Right? Right. Do you think? Yeah, well that's my thought of it. Because I'm not an expert on the mortis gods or anything, but they were never cast as witchy evil with green smoke, right? No.

[00:46:20] No, no. I always... I always... I read that they were force gods, right? They're already exactly... They're literally the... Almost the titans of the force world, as it were, right Jonathan? So is our thought that this is like the epicenter of the force then?

[00:46:37] Is that what we're going into? In this galaxy, right? I presume. Well, this galaxy, yeah, because there's... Yeah. Yes, we're in the far away, aren't we? It's different. Yeah. Yeah. It may well be the source of the force.

[00:46:51] Well, is the force different in this galaxy than it is in the... No, I don't think it's different, but I think you're right. Is the force not the force somewhere else? No, I think the force is still the same thing in both galaxies,

[00:47:01] but I think possibly you're right. This planet has some incredible sort of geological power or something, the fact that it can hold the death of me, a witch epicenter of that, and the mortis gods there as well. And the mortis gods. Yeah, it's definitely got something.

[00:47:21] Definitely why it was on number one on Balian's sort of travel entity list. It's like places to visit. Oh yes, I'll take that one off and go over there. That's the one kind of guy.

[00:47:31] Going to go hiking up the mountains, up his hand, going to camp on his hand. Yeah, I think you're on a good roller bar. Yeah, good. Yeah, I'm excited to see what they do with that next. I mean, I'll be honest.

[00:47:49] I'm really excited with all the side stories. I mean, I love Ezra. Ezra's really cool and Ahsoka herself, but I don't need to see any more Sabine or Hera. I'm sorry. I'm so mad.

[00:48:05] Those two can get swallowed by another whale and go somewhere else for hours, I'm concerned. There's so many other things. Well, we're so good for our best of all section. No, no, no, I can't stop me now. I got it. I'll be going.

[00:48:16] No, no, no, no, we'll do that later. All right, Kristen. Next comment. Scott William says, I thought it was a great episode, but I'm not sure how anyone actually expected them to be able to wrap up an entire season in one episode.

[00:48:30] I thought they did a good job at it and there were obvious questions. But I think people are forgetting how bad Disney Star Wars has been for the most part before this. This has been an improvement.

[00:48:45] Well, I just think in that the season overall was consistently pretty good. Whereas for me, the season three of Mando was good, then awful, good, then awful, good, then awful, good, then Lizzo and Jack Black, which was the depths of Disney Star Wars. I was jumping the show.

[00:49:10] It really was. All right, James. Karen Stull, Madyrios, love this podcast. You guys have such great chemistry. Tons of Star Wars intelligence. I won't go that far and they're so funny. The audio clips are chef's kiss. That's all Jonathan. Jonathan gets carried away with these.

[00:49:28] I got a little carried away on the last one. I'm not sure whether we'll be getting travel for the copyright. I reckon you tend to steer us towards stuff that so you can put it in there. Some of this. James, what would ever give you that idea?

[00:49:45] If any more times you can reference Michael Jackson just so you can put the thriller in. Anyway, sorry, Karen. Okay, now for my feelings on Ahsoka. I like the show right from the start. I thought it was fun, adventurous, and much better than most of Disney

[00:49:59] Plus Star Wars series except Andor. Here, here. As a non-Rebels clone wars watcher, Ahsoka Sabine and Hera immediately clicked for me. It certainly set the series up as a heroine and a heroine's tale. That being said, I still got sucked into the hype about Ezra and Thrawn.

[00:50:19] Thrawn totally delivered, but I was underwhelmed by Ezra. And when we finally got to see him, I don't have his backstory, so it's difficult to understand what was so great about him. As others have said, it needed more episodes, including being able to build out

[00:50:33] his character for those of us who aren't familiar with him. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of what I was saying. It's, I think we needed some sort of flashbacks here and there just to get a little bit more info.

[00:50:44] So I trusted in you guys and the internet basically. So likewise, I was underwhelmed by the finale except for the zombie troopers and the creepy witchy stuff, which were both amazing. I guess I'm more of a horror fan than a Star Wars fan at heart.

[00:51:01] I'm still excited for the Rebel action and may actually watch the animated series so I can participate in the debates about Sabine's random new gen i-powers. Looking forward to hearing your next podcast. Oh, glad. Well, glad you're on board, Karen, and thanks for that. That was great.

[00:51:17] Yeah. Yes, let's do, let's discuss, see where it all goes. Sabine's stupid new powers. I'm a Jedi. Yes. Well, luckily we've got the best and worst moments section coming right up. So let's have a break and I'm sure we'll address that when we come back. All right.

[00:51:50] So welcome back. Let's discuss our best and worst moments from the season with Kristen. Would you like to kick off? Yeah, the worst one was the second having the force. And it was really what it was. Me and Jonathan leaving the room for 20 minutes.

[00:52:17] Moving the door or yeah. Yeah, that moving the door one was, hey, Sabine help out and then, you know, you got please. Oh, yeah. No, no, I'm you go on. You're doing it.

[00:52:31] I just got so furious because it was really out of nowhere and I'm like, okay, we will watch Sabine slowly unveil her force powers even though she must be in her 30s now, right? She's not some teenage.

[00:52:49] She's about 32 or something and, you know, had her fun in the 20s and now she's suddenly deciding that her force powers are real. And I don't know. And it's reference. I don't know. But I think it's gone James. No, it's just ridiculous, isn't it?

[00:53:06] Wasn't there like back in episode four, it's like, oh, they thought Luke was too old to learn. And, you know, hold on a minute. And then it still took him and he's, you know, he's the son of Vader. We thought Anakin was too old to learn. Yeah, exactly.

[00:53:22] Yeah, that's about five. I was five. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then Hu Yang points out that Sabine is like the least talented and powerful ever. And then ta-da! Overnight she's opening huge stone doors. Well, she can't even jiggle a cup. Can't even move the cup.

[00:53:39] And within a space of about 30, like about 10 minutes she goes from not being able to do anything to be able to in the moment of great stress be able to call her lightsaber towards her. And I'm like, oh wow, that's actually a jumping off moment.

[00:54:00] But then kind of five minutes later she's doing a force push and force jump herself with Ezra saving his life from a death, a fall to his death. And Ezra having not seen her for 10 years and only being in a presence for about 24 hours,

[00:54:17] trusts her to do this. It's all ridiculous, all of it. If it's none of it made sense. None of it made sense. Definitely. And that was one of the problems. That was a series of worst moments. That was one of the problems was there were some logical issues.

[00:54:32] It just didn't make sense logical. And that's what, remember when Sabine says, I forgot how annoying you were to Hu Yang and he says, oh, I'm just logical. And that's what the problems with it. Why it's so annoying?

[00:54:47] Because it just doesn't make any logical sense that she would suddenly have these powers. I feel that it was great. Maybe it was originally written as 12 episodes or something. And then as time went on, they had to compress it down.

[00:55:02] I thought it felt stretched out in the beginning. Well, yes. But I mean, it's just pastoral. But it escalates and it's like, all right, well, how do we get this to work? Oh, she has to have powers now.

[00:55:12] But we've lost three hours of storytelling to explain how she got her powers. So effortless, just go straight to Super Jedi. Exactly. Okay. So your worst moment was Sabine and her newly found Jedi powers. What was your best? Last moment, I'd probably say... This podcast?

[00:55:35] I don't know if it's a moment, but just the, yes, the entire sequence with Anakin and Ahsoka in the world between worlds. So just there's, that was just so quintessential Star Wars. It brought in rebels. It brought in this really cool new dynamic.

[00:55:50] And it made me fall in love with Hayden Christensen as Anakin. So yeah, it was great. It felt like it was the final moment where his story came full circle. And we went from him being, you know, really liking him into the,

[00:56:11] in the prequels to kind of everyone kind of jumping on the I hate sound bit, to him being ostracized to kind of everyone, re-appreciating him in the Clone Wars again. And now when you see him back in real life,

[00:56:25] you realize that what a great character Anakin Skywalker is and was and how well he was played by Hayden. Yeah. I think really hope that there's more. Yeah. And it, I remember us talking about like,

[00:56:40] wow, this episode better be good because Filoni's putting it out in movie theaters. And it was. And, you know, he wanted everyone to see that. And I think that was quite a nice sort of testament to Hayden as well.

[00:56:53] It's like, all right, I'm going to put you back in the movie theaters, mate. But yeah, I agree with you, Chris. And that was one of my absolute favorites from the series. So and it will stick with me. That's awesome.

[00:57:03] Like, you know, it's like, you know, a lot of it will fade and this and you know, we'll have conversations and oh, I'll be jogged memory about this. But like for me, that was the episode. All right. So James, what were your best and worst moments then?

[00:57:21] Um, well, I think we all agree. I think the world between worlds sequence with young Ahsoka was there. But my second favorite scene was Thrawn's entrance. It's just the ultimate. It was great, wasn't it? Yeah.

[00:57:38] I mean, we see him from behind with the blue hands clasped behind his back and the night troopers. We see them for the first time and you're looking at these and I'm like, first of all, it's amazing to see that many storm troopers live action again.

[00:57:50] It's like, this feels like a movie. It's great. Yeah. And then and there's, we talked about before, but like the chanting, Thrawn, Thrawn, Thrawn. And as and as you rightly said, it reminds you of the Roman Empire with all the red

[00:58:01] and the gold and the chanting and the this and that. And I was just like blown away because mainly because like the troopers with the gold sort of how they've patched themselves together and that the, you know, the witches bandages and it was just,

[00:58:17] it was like it took Star Wars evilness to another level. And it was like, great. It was like they just, it was just, you know, the perfect like Imperial cake and you just put another layer of frosting on the top. It was like just really nicely done.

[00:58:36] And I just set it up for me for like, okay, we've been waiting like because we joked like, are we actually going to see him or whatever? So it took us what six episodes to get to that.

[00:58:45] But I thought it was good and in general, Thrawn delivered as well. I mean, he's just from the start, he's just chilling and calculated this enigmatic persona. And I thought it was great.

[00:59:00] I have to say that I was pleased that you got a little bit rattled towards the end, but you didn't lose it completely. I didn't want to see him like completely rattled. That quivering lip was awesome, wasn't it? Quivering lip, yeah.

[00:59:11] But then he got the mic drop and he like, and he hits the light speed button and he's all good. But yeah, just the introduction of Thrawn, like the first time you see it and his character and everything and Lars Mikkelsen did a brilliant job.

[00:59:25] So I know you were joking about it. He's like, wasn't as skinny as his animated. And that's the best of it. But yeah, but I thought that was that was my favorite. And my worst moment.

[00:59:40] I mean, there's it's more of a general gripe and moan about the series and stuff. And it just a lot of the battles like specifically battles against troopers and should we say non-blade wielding people, which is so bad, so comic booky. Like nobody was looking for cover. Yeah.

[00:59:59] Troopers standing in lines in open line. And as we pointed out before, at one point there's no way you can def... I don't get how good you are with the force. You can't spinny, spinny, let's say, but deflect three bolts at three different directions to hit your target.

[01:00:15] It's the same. It's just very... That's not how tennis works. Exactly. It's not. There's a lot of physics involved even in this and... And the troopers would just couldn't hit anything. And it was just fine. It got a bit 18, didn't it? In some points. Yeah. It did...

[01:00:32] Yeah, as we talked about other shows that have done this through the time as well, but it did get a bit ridiculous. And then my other thing is the lightsaber battles. So we talked about this again. It's like we got greedy, we wanted more and we got more.

[01:00:45] Yeah. But perhaps too much, right? Well, that's it. That's exactly... It's like you get... I talked about this before. It's like you go and watch an Avengers movie or something and or any blockbuster now.

[01:01:00] And I don't know, just you kids especially are expecting two and a half hours of just having their brains bombarded with epicness. And I think there was... At times there was a little bit of that going on.

[01:01:17] And it was like all of a sudden like everyone's got their blades out and everybody's doing this and doing that. And then people like... And the choreography was amazing and stuff. At times. At times. You're like, I found the choreography occasionally. Well, that's what I'm getting to.

[01:01:32] There was one thing that you two are experts on this and I'm not, but I'm just pointing this because you mentioned a couple of times that Ahsoka is a lot more athletic and jumps around a lot more in the anime series.

[01:01:45] And then according to you, should she have been jumping all over the shop? Like crazy CGI Yoda? Well, in my re-watch there was a couple of scenes early on where she did do these amazing force jumps.

[01:01:58] Like she uses both sabers to break the window at the Corellian space yards and jumps out and does a massive force drop. And there's a lot of leaping but then you see her running towards the spaceship and she looks all of her 45 years.

[01:02:14] She's not exactly a sprightly young thing running along. So I think they could have used some stunt doubles a bit more, especially with all the makeup that she had on to just speed things up a little bit.

[01:02:30] And there was, but I remember on my re-watch again, there were some actually great lightsaber battles like the one with her and Balen at the Henge. That was dripping with me and that was a really good one. But there were some athleticism problems in that as well.

[01:02:52] Yeah, I think it's more towards like the finale where the three of them are running and they've got the blades out all the time and it just to me looked like it was done to be used frame by frame from a comic book.

[01:03:03] I think it looked really cool and such. It's and it takes it away from like the Ahsoka when we first introduced to her way back in Mandalorian where she comes out the darkness at night so blades assassinate people and then drifts again into the darkness.

[01:03:20] And I feel that when I saw that and I was told I was getting a live action series of that, I was like, oh my God, this is a Ronin. This is a Jedi assassin. Yeah, but that's what I think.

[01:03:32] And then it went from like PG-13 down to Y down to like 4 plus. But that's the problem with adding another Jedi, you know, with Sabine. Because there's another lightsaber to use. You know, if it had have been just Ahsoka and then we add Ezra later on,

[01:03:55] we wouldn't have had all these because then we've got the Shin versus Sabine battles as well. Oh God, that's another grunt. Yeah, because that is as you said before, that is just such an uneven match. Yes, exactly. And that's what I mean. Sabine should be dead.

[01:04:14] Sabine should be dead. Yeah, I'm sure that's in Jonathan's gripe list. We shall address that on my list of demands. Well, not even with her being stabbed, you know, with the lightsaber, which I know that we'll go to, but I'm just saying how horribly outmatched she was.

[01:04:28] She should be horribly outmatched. She should not have survived a lightsaber fight with Taylor Shin. Yeah, exactly. The first ones she had like way back, but they steal the map from her at the start. She shouldn't have survived.

[01:04:47] Because the strongest non-Jedi user is to a Jedi like the strongest flea, you know, you may be strong, but you're nothing, even the strongest human is nothing to a regular Jedi because their powers and foresight just, there should be no competition.

[01:05:06] It kind of takes this specialness out of the Jedi. If somebody like Sabine can go head to head with them. Yeah, because it's almost like they just doesn't make any sense. Trained in martial arts, but they're not, they're superhuman, you know?

[01:05:22] They're not just trained in the skills of the lightsaber. They have the force, which is an amazing power and which has led them to, you know, being the guardians of a galaxy for a thousand generations. You know, what was that? What was that?

[01:05:43] I was an attempt at a Jedi. It's going to be an audio clip. You just be quiet over there. For a thousand generations, the Jedi have no competition. I must have gotten the line. Oh, right. James, any other gripes for us? Oh, I could keep going.

[01:06:19] No, but just what you were saying, yeah, it's, I think we've got greedy again or that Disney got greedy. It's like you say, we've got to have another Jedi and you're right. Jedi's, when we first introduced them, were like superhumans, almost like gods.

[01:06:34] They were like handed down these powers and it's like... But they're rare as well. Yeah, they were rare and now it's like, oh, if I just think really hard, I can move that coffee cup and then next week I can open huge indoors and I have full powers.

[01:06:48] And it's that same thing. It's like, you know, I won't do the Obi-Wan, but yeah, these incredible sort of old masters of this power and they've almost held society together for generations. And now all of a sudden you open a bag of cereal and you get,

[01:07:08] oh, I've won a free Jedi sticker. It's just belittled it. This would have been great if Sabine had just been awesome with her flame frozen or explosives. Yeah, if she'd just been Sabine. If she had just been Sabine.

[01:07:26] Yeah, if she had just been Sabine and an awesome Mandalorian and even though she's all of 120 pounds, I would have been fine with her taking everyone out because she is over skilled and over trained and against like normal bandits and stormtroopers.

[01:07:43] Even though I'm sure she could take out four or five stormtroopers, but she can't take out 20 like a Jedi can. Right. Yeah. All right. That's good. Right. All right. Any other ones? And another fit. No, yes. James. No. All right. So it's my best and worst.

[01:08:01] I thought the my best with the establishing shots, you know, from the ships in space to the Caribbean shipyards, I thought the art direction was absolutely gorgeous and they really nailed all those all those shots in space and the big wide shots.

[01:08:17] I thought it was really, really well done. Yeah. From the design of the ring, you know, the gold to to Shin's headset to like all the ships. I thought the in the trailer, the ghost just looked didn't look great.

[01:08:32] But then in the series, I thought the ghost looked awesome. It was so detailed and so well done. It looked really big. You know, it had the science and scope of everything. And and then of course, Anakin and the Clone Wars, that was that was amazing to see

[01:08:48] live action Clone Troopers coming running through. But my favorite absolute favorite of the whole series was the introduction of Hugh Yang, a a Star Wars character for the ages and he will go for be one of my all time favorite characters.

[01:09:04] I thought he would and there's James up and said David Tennant's delivery was brilliant. Yeah. It's so well done. 100% Dr. Hoo-Yang. Yeah. Dr. Hoo-Yang. I like it. You like it. And now my worst. There we go. The worst was the New Republic.

[01:09:21] I thought they they were really data disservice because after all the everything our heroes went through in the new hope and empire and return of the Jedi and with with Princess Leia, Senator Organ is still in charge.

[01:09:37] These guys were terrible, you know, from their lack of logic to to their incompetence to to to not support it to the arrogance, you know, like Baylor and Shinon board that time was just so dumb. You know, yeah.

[01:09:53] And you stand three foot away from somebody who's got a lightsaber in it. But the one thing that you forgot to mention about the New Republic is their complete lack of light tailoring. Have you modified your uniform? Perhaps slightly pockets piping some light tailoring. Light tailoring?

[01:10:15] Well, that was my back. Is that actually back heat? Oh, it was. Yeah, no, but you absolutely right, James. They're poorly designed and made uniforms. They look like they were fresh out of a Halloween package. And if you turn them around, you would have seen some ill fitting

[01:10:32] Velcro coming down the back of the. I remember when I'm just like this, they've got those long pointy collars of mum was sticking up and and that that captain the ship and and they kind of had like capped sleeves and then

[01:10:46] these baggy things and the gigantic strepsel packs on their on their chest for the insignia just looked bad. I mean, you really can't go past the the pips on next generation as some nice, you know, subtle. It's really funny.

[01:11:04] You could just I don't know what happened here, but there was there was clearly a budget meeting and they'd already spent the money on like a thousand stormtroopers with gold bits on them and stuff. And then what do we do in New Republic?

[01:11:17] Send them down Spirit Halloween to see what they got left. Yeah, exactly. And they were just like these nylon-y outfits. And then remember the six New Republic, you know, the armed guard that the

[01:11:27] captain brought out there are a couple of like a couple of interns that they'd found out in the back and just said here put this mask on and put these uniforms on. They were hopeless.

[01:11:37] They were like they were like 15 years old and could barely fill out the uniform. And and these were the front front line guards when supposed to one of the New Republic fell. So that was one of my worst at bat.

[01:11:54] Of course, my worst moment of the entire series was the intro of Sabine on her with a ripoff Rock and Roll version of Sabotage and her just being so cocky and horrible. And during my full rewatch, I literally watched every episode back to back.

[01:12:14] She was so rude to everyone. And just like this whole kind of like I'm going to be rude and have attitude as if she's being smart and cool. It was it was such a bad you know, a bad thing.

[01:12:27] And in the end, she's like every death after after they come back from the two X in pilot pilots that crashed into each other and now all on Sabine because she gave that the map to Thrawn just so she could see Ezra again.

[01:12:46] And she sacrificed possibly the entire galaxy for one more reunion with her old mate. And then he's gone now. And she's not even gone with him. And now she's stuck there because she couldn't make the jump. Not a great plan. Not a great plan.

[01:13:02] No, it wasn't a great plan. Yeah, I think and she's got a soca stuck there and she's got a soca stuck there as well. There'll be whales that maybe that was her romantic plan the whole time.

[01:13:13] I just want to jump back to something you said on the good side of things. Jonathan, I may just for a second. Now, I just I just wanted to say as well, the visual feeling style of the show was amazing. Like the Japanese samurai influence.

[01:13:25] Yes, the camera frame in the music, the cherry blossom forests on distant planets. But I felt the production design, the art direction, the music costume, apart from the new public side of it was all really grown up and it reminded me of Andor in that level of that.

[01:13:44] Like the witches looked amazing, didn't they? Yeah, the witches look like I love them. All that was incredible. I just felt that it was they dumbed down the story because they had I mean, because it's for kids. I understand and that's and I get it.

[01:13:59] But you know, it's it comes a very second closing look for me to Andor. And then you know how much I love Andor. But I think as you said, the establishing shots, like the all of that was incredible.

[01:14:13] I think it was just a little bit of storytelling and the, you know, the Saturday morningness. But that's I think is really a symptom of it being a rebels, a rebels live action that there was some of those childish things.

[01:14:33] And and there was like, and there was some shot to shot things that came seem to come straight from the animated series like the one where Sabine's kind of being friends with the with the the Rat Wolf horse thing.

[01:14:48] And and there was some some straight from the animated series shots in that. But but overall, yeah, my only gripe really was with the New Republic. I think that for it to have the strength this series could have the good guys need to be smart as well.

[01:15:08] You know, they can't be outsmarted because they're dumb. They have to be outsmarted because someone else is doing something clever. Yeah. And you've got Thrawn who is the master tactician. So there's no reason why the New Republic has to be that sort of naive or arrogant or dumb.

[01:15:25] They could just be, you know, yeah, we'll see. We'll see where they take it. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, let's take another break and we'll be right back with more of your feedback. All right, well, welcome back. And we have a another voicemail from Chris LeBeau.

[01:15:52] Hello, this is Chris LeBeau with a voicemail for Ahsoka Episode 8. Hi, Jonathan, Kristen and James. Hope you're all well. Here we are the lion, the witch and the wardrobe. Oops. I mean the Jedi and the witch and the war load. Oh, that clever philoni.

[01:16:10] Well, there's no dark side space whales with lasers being ridden by an unhinged subpoena being laying waste to the hermit crabs in this episode. But who knows what will happen in the next season?

[01:16:22] To me, there is a lot that could happen and maybe too much that has to happen. If you know what I mean, it's very open-ended. I hope they haven't left it's too open-ended for themselves.

[01:16:32] But like Thrawn, I guess we can assume philoni and a crew have a master plan. I will just focus on one aspect that really stood out to me in this episode. And that is Morgan.

[01:16:43] Wow, for me she stole this episode even though she's on the dark side of things. I was finding myself happy for her that she was realizing her dream and getting a night witch makeover. And she got a really nice smoky green sword.

[01:16:58] I can imagine the fun sweep over she's going to have with the three mothers. Then I was sad for her when she was told by Thrawn. So, um, yeah. I'm going to need you to work late and take care of a few things, but all for the empire.

[01:17:14] The look on her face killed me. My heart really hurt for her. Morgan was perhaps thinking that I thought there was something between us. Thrawn was thinking, you questioned my decisions about project resource allocations. Too many times you're off the project.

[01:17:30] Her fight with Ahsoka was throwing them one of the best we've seen, I think. If not in this series, and all the Star Wars. She really went as Ahsoka in a relentless way and was very aggressive. And it wasn't easy for Ahsoka to defeat her.

[01:17:45] I thought that actors did a great job. She went down fighting. Morgan, I hope Thrawn erects a statue of you on Coruscant after he wins. Balin and Shin-Hoo, I honestly did not even think of them until they showed up at the

[01:17:59] very end, but I was happy to see them. Good luck to both as they pursue their quest. I want to thank the three of you for covering this show. It's been a lot of fun listening to you.

[01:18:11] And then until the next time, I'm going to tilt my head to one side like Ahsoka did so many times. I'm going to smile knowingly and say, may the force be with you. Bye. Excellent, Chris. May the force be with you as well.

[01:18:26] And thanks for that great message. Thank you. Thank you to Chris. I really enjoyed the feedback and I enjoyed the compliments as well. Thank you so much. I'm really excited that so many people have had fun listening to us.

[01:18:42] As much fun as I think we have had recording this. It's really nice to hear that, so thank you. Yeah, thanks, Chris. Thanks for all your support this season as well. All right. So we have Mark McBurney up next.

[01:18:56] I've really liked this series for the most part and that includes this episode. I think most of us would agree that Balan has been the best thing about it. So only getting him for one scene was a little disappointing,

[01:19:07] but seeing the Mortis God statues made up for it a little. Is he going to try and cut the force off at the source? Morgan finally becomes and looks like a witch and wields a blade of Talzin coming to the store near you soon.

[01:19:21] And a fight with Ahsoka was really good. My one big nitpick with the episode was when they were blocking the trooper shots, it looked slow and clunky. And Ahsoka was swinging the lightsaber the exact same way every shot.

[01:19:37] Yeah, I thought there were some times where it did feel a bit slow in the... I think that whole scene in that room with the troopers and the... Yeah, I thought that was badly done, to be honest.

[01:19:53] Could have been a lot more interesting as we talked about before. Yeah, because it was weird that they were all just standing around watching when... Especially when the other two were off trying to get on the ship,

[01:20:04] but all those storm troopers should have just picked up their rifles, aimed at Ahsoka and killed her and then gone after the others if it truly was about preventing the fight. But as Chris said earlier... Just thinking about it, those storm troopers were clunky and like moving around.

[01:20:27] They were faster when they were zombies. Yeah, that's true. They actually live and die up. It is if you think about it, they're lumbering to the room. But when they reanimate, they're motivated more. Yeah, more.

[01:20:44] But as Chris said earlier, it was fantastic to see Morgan Ellsworth power up, but it was really sad. I'm like, oh, she's going to be awesome going through. She's got this brand new sword. This is going to be great.

[01:20:57] And I know I've been calling out for people to meet their untimely ends, but I wish it wasn't her. Not her. I mean, they said she was... The great mothers said she was dead, but death to them is not the end. I said she's in the stone ball.

[01:21:12] She's in the stone ball. She's in the stone ball. She was boneball, sorry. All right, Kristin. I hope that we see her next year or next season. Yeah, I feel they could rewrite that. I'd be okay with a Darth Mauling her. Yeah, exactly. They're going to Dathomir.

[01:21:31] We're like they're going to reanimate hundreds and stuff. They'll perfect it and then maybe her body gets shipped back. All right, Kristin, next feedback please. Alicia Stout says, so was anyone else like super stoked about the zombie troopers

[01:21:47] only to feel a little bit let down that they moved like normal people once they reanimated? Other than that, it was super awesome that we got to see them. Once again, the timeline is confusing to me, but this time with the Morgan storyline.

[01:22:00] So we know Ahsoka kills her in Mandalorian. So did her becoming a full blown witch make her mortal somehow and then to then die at the hands of Ahsoka later? Or perhaps she will also reanimate next season as we don't really know she is currently dead for certain.

[01:22:20] Great second half and I'm bummed that we have to wait. Who knows how long for season two. Now can you do a podcast rewatch of Solo? Oh yeah, right on that. Oh yeah. Laugh it up, first boy. I think that might have to happen.

[01:22:34] That's not much to do list for tomorrow right after. Thanks y'all for the coverage and the laughs. I'm telling you, you're going to have to sit through Solo a couple of times. Yeah, that's a pleasure. Thank you, Alicia. Thank you for your support this season as well.

[01:22:51] And always, she is a great supporter. She really is. All right, James. Brad Holt, did I misunderstand you guys when you said who Yang was created for this show? Because he was in the Clone Wars. See I thought he was right. That was my mistake.

[01:23:07] I definitely misspoke and thank you for pulling me up on that, Brad Holt. We've got some very intelligent listens out there that seem to have way more information than we do sometimes. Well that's great to have this community then

[01:23:20] because they do our jobs for us and thank you for creating this. We have been corrected more than once. Yes, a week. The rightly so. Brad continues, and look at using the force as kind of like learning to ride a bicycle. Everyone has the potential.

[01:23:39] Some will be way better than others at it. When learning, they're slow to start, but when they get the balance and the speed ratio in their head, then they've got it and they're off to the races. To a point. I don't think any look.

[01:23:55] I'm not sure I'm bored with that one, Brad, because I think that everyone can ride a bike, but not everyone can compete in the Olympics. And I think that all the force surrounds us and binds us and is part of the universe.

[01:24:14] But not everyone can be a Jedi and the Jedi are rare. I think there are about 10,000 of them in the entire galaxy. Will the add to your metaphor with the bicycles, the Jedis are the Olympians. The Jedis are the Olympians, exactly right. Of the bicyclists.

[01:24:34] But that implies that anyone can pick up a lightsaber and be okay with it. Well, I think the way we're introduced to these things, yeah, but the way we were introduced to lightsabers back in the day in the 70s was

[01:24:45] it was like this epic mythical light sword and only so people could wield it. Well didn't Han Solo use a lightsaber? He uses it to cut open the taunta. Oh yeah, that's right. So people can use them but yeah, look. Yeah, I'm not saying that you can't.

[01:25:03] But I don't think you can learn the force. Like if you train and train and train and train and train. It flows from within. You can only get so, you can only have so much forceability no matter how hard you train.

[01:25:18] So I think that it is an innate thing that you're born with. And that's why it's so jarring that Sabine suddenly comes to because you know you have at a very, very young age. That's why the Jedi are throughout the universe trying to find these younglings

[01:25:36] that are obviously very strong in the force. But Sabine can't just get the force in the mid 30s. Right. I totally agree with you. Oh, 100% same page. She would mean. All right and we have a message from our fearless leader Jason Kabasi. Enjoy your episode on the finale.

[01:26:00] One thing I don't get though, how can anyone be put off that Sabine has abilities with a force that seemingly don't make sense and also be a fan of Rey? That is directed to me. Well, because so I have a little theory on that.

[01:26:25] A little theory on that because she said that she feels like something woke up in her. So we talked a lot about the force, you know, it's called The Force Awakens, that show or that show, that episode, that movie, whatever. So you're yawning all you want.

[01:26:43] I don't mind it. I just, yeah. I like Rey. The Force did awaken in her, but it did awaken rather quickly in the same way it happened rather quickly with Sabine. It was done a little bit better with Rey.

[01:26:58] I thought it was, you know, she, well look, you can't, she had never heard of being able to, these are not the droids you're looking for. You know, she suddenly thought, you know, made up in her mind how to convince the

[01:27:16] Stormtrooper to release her from the Daniel Craig Stormtrooper, speaking of James Bond, to release her from her binds. But that's, you know, I don't even know if that's a known Jedi power, but she just suddenly thought she'd try it out. Anyway, that's a whole other thing.

[01:27:34] She also had been, but she'd also had been, you know, experiencing, you know, Kylo Ren had been trying to get inside her brain for all that time. So, you know, I mean, I can't. Respond to Jason, Kristen. I don't want to spoil everything.

[01:27:49] So Jason, you and I are going to have to talk off. Well, get him on. And PS, we have a PS from Jason, the director of the Christian again. PS, the Island of Lost was not purgatory. It was on earth.

[01:28:07] The final season of Lost and only the finale season had half the story in something like purgatory called the Flash Sideways and half on the island. Lots of people think the island was purgatory, but only the ones that weren't paying attention. One almost not directed me, James.

[01:28:26] It was directed at us. Yes. Yeah. I should have read it in advance. Me being tired and lazy. Lost is definitely not my forte. I bow before the last season, I think. I have a good Matthew Fox story, but I'm not telling it on air.

[01:28:46] All right, we'll say that for a bit. One day. And I did just get another little message from Jason. He said if it's not too late, here's some feedback for today's episode. Just want to say you three were such a pleasure to listen to on the podcast.

[01:29:01] I'm grateful you're a part of podcastica and I'm glad for all our sakes that it was so cool ended up being pretty good. Yeah, I agree. It did end up being pretty good. We're glad to be here as well.

[01:29:13] And you know, I just want to give a shout out to Jason. He's behind podcastica and he's built a great network of great podcasters and people that have never done before are now hosting their own shows and have thousands of fans of all these great series,

[01:29:33] from yellow jackets to Star Wars to The Walking Dead to the Game of Thrones to all these great series. So if you haven't checked them all out and you need something to watch over the winter upcoming winter in Northern Hemisphere,

[01:29:48] there's tons of tons of great series to watch and lots of brilliant hosts to listen to. Yes, I totally agree. All right, we're grateful to be part of it. We are. Look, I really love doing this and it just came out because I sent a message,

[01:30:04] a voicemail in and now, you know, we've James and I had such a great time. You made me do it. Yeah, they made him do it and now we're here with Kristen doing this and I look forward to doing more in the future.

[01:30:17] All right, let's take a little break and we'll be right back with more of your feedback. All right, we are back and we have a voicemail from another of our favorites, Ann Wynne. Hi, Jonathan, James and Kristen.

[01:30:43] Thanks so much for your incredible awesomeness over the last few weeks covering Ahsoka. I have not seen any of the animated series. So I'm a bit with James about not knowing stuff and saying all that.

[01:31:01] I also thought it was a bit ridiculous that Sabine couldn't move a cup and then suddenly can throw Ezra hundreds of meters into a ship. But I guess what I really loved the most about this final episode was all my fandom worlds colliding.

[01:31:18] The name is straight out of Narnia. You've got a big giant magic ring from Lord of the Rings. You've got zombie fricking stormtroopers and even the little kind of rock people remind me of the movie Frozen. So it was all happening pretty awesome.

[01:31:37] I just took it as sheer entertainment and didn't get too annoyed by anything. The only thing that kind of made me giggle was Thrawn. I love his quiet and menacing voice but it just reminded me of the Six-Fingered Man from Bratsy's Pride.

[01:31:53] Let's just start with one and go from there, shall we? I thought it was fantastic. Anyway, see you next season. Bye. Well thank you, thank you, thank you. That's another one of our great hosts and thank you for your support Hanwin.

[01:32:09] Yeah like I hope that's why I kept putting in all the theme songs from all our favorite shows on the last episode. There were a lot of crossovers which is very funny. Did you put Walking Dead in there? You didn't, did you?

[01:32:24] I didn't actually no I should have done that. Yeah, you put the thread around didn't you? Yeah and a few of Harry Potter's and Game Thrones. Yeah it was all there. S'morgar's board of Jonathan's Sound Effect. Yes exactly. I love it, I love it.

[01:32:43] I'll bounce through the next couple. So from Typhon Table, I just got to watch her with my 12 year old expert but wasn't expecting a Walking Dead crossover. Yeah. Yeah Jason Gross, headcanon response to why Sabine has force powers now. Oh here we go.

[01:33:04] New galaxy and proximity to whatever is calling to Balin. Remaining question, how would Ahsoka be able to assume Sabine could now suddenly handle it? Missing rocking trading montage. Exactly, we needed a rocking trade montage. If two almost Jedi's and a full former Jedi can almost defeat Thrawn

[01:33:25] and four night sisters how did all the Jedi lose to the Sith Empire? I think they had Anakin. Yeah and yes and the Empire confusing everyone. Yes because it's the New Republic and the Old Republic all a bit silly. Yes. Just, yes.

[01:33:48] Bronson Adams says I have the podcast downloaded on my phone and I can't wait to listen to it. Excellent Bronson, thanks for listening all the way through in your comments yet. Yes. Bob Oaks, overall I like this show and not being a Rebel's Watcher.

[01:34:01] I did not really know what to expect but the show was fast paced and interesting from start to finish. I'm now interested in watching Rebels and Clone Wars. I wish all Star Wars properties were as engaging as Ahsoka. Same with us.

[01:34:16] I think I speak for Jonathan and myself. Please go watch Clone Wars and Rebels please. So good and then go watch Bad Batch just because it's amazing. Bad Batch is amazing, I love Bad Batch. A Bad Batch is so great.

[01:34:29] I want live action Bad Batch if they get that. I do too. So good, so good. Me too. All right, Scott goes episode eight thoughts. I thought the heroes wanted to get home.

[01:34:43] I guess they weren't in much of a rush until they got attacked by the two Thai fighters. Yes that was a little bit slow cruising across the plains. Those were turbo lasers raining down on them. The same laser that can totally glass a planet in a day.

[01:34:58] There wouldn't have been anything left of the area underneath the Chai Mira. This is true. The choreography of the first defense of the three heroes against the stormtroopers was horrible. It seemed like it was their first set on day with lightsabers.

[01:35:14] Sabine finding the force is okay in my mind since she is an ancestor of Previsula. Excellent, the first man to Lord Angelai. But I do have a problem with the force's throw since that took practice and power when Ezra and Cayman were doing it. Entire show thoughts.

[01:35:32] The show was good even with all my gripes. I would probably rate it an eight or nine. My biggest issue really was not showing how strategically gifted Thrawn is. So I thought that there was a bit of a missed opportunity.

[01:35:45] If they just would have shown Thrawn arriving in the galaxy and somehow taken out the three Republic cruisers and fighters with a broken down Chai Mira and the Thais, the sequel season movie catch up would be much better. From here they really need to do two separate shows.

[01:36:02] The one following Ahsoka and Kohortz and the one following Thrawn rebuilding the Empire. Yeah, I'm sure that bounced between that for sure. But yeah, I thought we did miss out on a scene of when Thrawn arrived into the new galaxy.

[01:36:18] There were several Republic ships waiting there that came to arrest General Herra. Though I was hoping for a showdown between that where Thrawn out with them all. But I think that will have to...

[01:36:33] I mean he could have used the old trick of dropping out at light speed and crashing through them, couldn't he? Yeah, exactly. That is not canon. Ryan Johnson! Johnson! One last time. All right, James you want to take Joe's? Yeah, Joe Sanders.

[01:36:52] Thank you guys for everything you do in covering all the Star Wars shows. But especially Ahsoka. I just wanted to bring up a little point of clarification on Ezra's lightsaber. Ezra's first blaster lightsaber was broken in a battle with Darth Vader.

[01:37:06] And by the end of the series he had a newer, more traditional style lightsaber. This doesn't fix the fact that he gave the lightsaber to Chopper. But at least it does fix the fact that the one Sabine carrying in is his lightsaber at the end of the series.

[01:37:22] Does that make sense to you guys? Awesome. Obviously. Yeah, it does. Okay, all right. Yeah, because his first lightsaber is awesome. It's the best one out there. It's the one with the guns, yes. But so upon research it says during the Battle of Lethal,

[01:37:37] Ezra sipped away to confront Thrawn alone, leaving his lightsaber with Chopper to give to Sabine. And in the years since battle Sabine has modified the saber to suit her own style and according to Hu Yang, it has become more hers than his. Debatable.

[01:37:55] But anyway, that brings us to my list of demands. And to see how we went. All right, so I'm going to go through a one by one and give it a quick rating. All right, so the first one is lightsabers are deadly.

[01:38:14] That would be a fail for Sabine. And when everyone else was using it, it was quite deadly, which made it all the more frustrating because there were scenes where they're chopping down trees, that they're just mowing through stormtroopers but ridiculously.

[01:38:35] Cut the panels on every door in that area. Yeah, exactly. That's solid like steel and stone. Yeah, so that would be a fail. The force is powerful. Yes, the force was powerful. I think we've had some good force pushers and everything,

[01:38:53] but with the advent of the magic, spelt with the CK, does that reduce the overall power of the force? So I would give that a B, I'm afraid. Oh Jonathan, does that mean do we now have, you're going to love this,

[01:39:13] the balance of the force because the magic and the force are now the two powers and therefore we must now balance magic with force power. Yeah, well now that's a whole other whole new plot. A Jedi can easily handle multiple enemies and demolish any non-Jedo.

[01:39:32] Again, a pass on a fail I think because I think with, with, say, Shin and Sabine, a Shin should have just wiped the floor with Sabine. But then we... That's this point and the first point, isn't it?

[01:39:48] Because she should have wiped the floor with that and killed her because she used a lightsaber but no. But then we do see Ahsoka handling multiple stormtroopers at the end and they were just like a night through butter.

[01:40:05] All right, next point, next demand was Ahsoka is the main character. Well that would be a C I would think because this was more of a rebels, a rebels show rather than a pure Ahsoka show. But that's okay? Yeah, which is fine in the end.

[01:40:25] But I still thought a Ronan Ahsoka show would have been amazing. You know, the time in between this. No new Jedi powers, so lightspeed cannot be used as a weapon, no face time exact. I don't think there was anything new with the Force was there?

[01:40:49] No new weird powers, so that's a good pass. Yeah, if anything, we didn't see enough of Force powers I would say. But no modern real world head designer costume design. Oh, Tay Tay. Tay Tay, yeah. Right out the window. All right, no modern real world speech patterns.

[01:41:13] Yes, that was we addressed that in one of the episodes so that was a fail as well. No overly human droids. Well, I think Hu Yang was brilliant. So I give that a full pass because he was slightly confused. He wasn't like the one from Solo.

[01:41:33] No alien speaking unaccented English, well there weren't a lot of aliens were there? Well, they're not tea. No, they're not tea but they were all subtitled. Yeah, no cameos, I think we're good with that. Yeah, we're good with that. Power from Carson. Yeah, we were.

[01:41:51] But that was he was already established. Cool spaceships. Cool Jack Black. Yeah, no Jack Blacks. Cool spaceships. There was definitely some great new spaceships in this. I thought the gold ones for the ring was good. No buffed shirtless men.

[01:42:08] Yes, we managed to avoid all such things and unfortunately no shin in the layer bikini either. Unfortunately, there was no slow motion. So that's a pass. The great great lightsaber jewels with good choreography. Well, I think that was a bit of a mixed bag there yet.

[01:42:29] I think we've got some good and some bad and I think as we mentioned earlier, a little may perhaps a little bit too much lightsaber goodness. I think the one on one battles are all good. You're right.

[01:42:40] But when you start again, two of them, two on one or like there's non Jedi mixed in with it and stuff that they got a bit messy and stuff. But yeah, there was some good classic visually great one on ones. Yeah. And lastly, a cohesive story.

[01:43:00] How do we feel about the story in the end? They kind of left us hanging tonight. I think it was a great prequel. Yes. Yes, this is a good build up. This felt like a mid season finale rather than a season finale.

[01:43:17] There was a lot of setup and then in about a couple of months that we'll have the a lot of more things to wrap up, but it's going to be a couple of years, I reckon. I did enjoy the fact that Ezra did get his undead.

[01:43:32] Yes, that we did get to Ezra. That was really important to me in the beginning of the season, especially when I heard that he was going to be on the show. And I really think that they gave him, if nothing else, if we never see him again,

[01:43:46] I feel like we got some sense of closure with his story at the very least. And that to me was awesome. Yeah. Although his side face has now been completely undermined by Sabine. But I mean, I think it's a good setup for season two.

[01:44:03] I think you'll see hopefully you get Zed back and so you have Ezra, Zed, Chopper, Hera. They'll all be working that side of things. And then meanwhile in the galaxy far, far, far, far away,

[01:44:16] the other two will be sitting there knitting with the rock people or whatever they're going to do. The E-Rocks. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I think it, yeah, I think the storyline was pretty good. I think it was just, yeah, I could have done with a few more episodes.

[01:44:33] A bit more. Yeah, a bit more. Well, the list of demands was listened to pretty much. And I think they did a pretty good job of things. And overall, I really enjoyed Ahsoka and I especially loved covering it with you guys.

[01:44:52] But I must say that is our show. And I want to say thanks for having us. And James, Kristen and I will be back whenever season two happens along. And we would like to thank you all for your love and support. Yeah, it's been good fun.

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[01:45:43] We've done first three episodes and this weekend we are going to start fourth. And it's fun to revisit the show. It's a nice warm hug. Yeah, he is a charmer. We're going to get James on it. Yeah, I would love to talk about that.

[01:45:58] I mean, I'll do one of those and I'll do the solo thing with you. We'll do that. I'm serious. I'll do it. I mean, I will probably eat my hat. I'm sure now I go back to solo.

[01:46:10] As we talked about this before, it was one of those things. It's like it was so hyped at the time and it was just, that was back when it was exciting to get some more stars content.

[01:46:18] And then it just didn't quite hit the mark and it was just a little bit off and not what I was expecting. So I think I will find some time and we'll, yeah, let's do that. We can do that. So I'm really excited about this. I'm really excited.

[01:46:35] And yeah, as John said, thank you all everyone for listening to us and putting up with us and now bickering and squabbling and obviously it's been fun. And I've really enjoyed doing this as the non-book reader.

[01:46:48] It was fun to do it with you two guys who you know what you're talking about. I got schooled quite nicely and I really enjoyed it. I've got some new great new characters that I'm interested in love and I will probably go and watch many hours of cartoons.

[01:47:09] Yeah. Animated series. Animated series. Thanks again for listening everybody and it's great to think of you all out there in podcast land whether you are sneaking a listen at work cleaning the house or on your morning run wherever you are I'm glad you joined us.

[01:47:31] And we will see you next time in a galaxy far far away until then I am Kristen and I am James. And I'm Jonathan and may the force be with you.

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