541: "Paris Toujours Sera Paris" Listener Feedback

[00:00:00] Hey Zed Heads, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Lucy. And we're going to go through your feedback for The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season one, episode three, Paris Toujours Sera Paris, which had, you know, quite a lot of feedback. And that doesn't

[00:00:52] totally surprise me. It was kind of a cool episode. Yeah. First, we'll talk about a little bit of news. Infected news. So one thing I don't often mention about our Patreon perks is that we do monthly themed call-in shows. And they're pretty fun and anyone at any pledge

[00:01:18] level can join in. And I'm mentioning it in the news this time because this month we're playing Cards Against Humanity online and Lucy and Peter are going to be joining in. Yes, if we can stay awake, what time are we meeting?

[00:01:31] I have it set for I think 9pm your time. Oh, yeah, we'll be fine. We'll be drunk. But you know, we'll be everybody's in the middle of the day except for you guys. I'll probably have a drink too. What the hell?

[00:01:44] And it'll be this weekend. So if you're hearing this before Saturday, you still have a chance to jump in go to patreon.com slash Jason Gabassi. You could even just pledge $2 for one month,

[00:01:56] jump in on that and then skip out if you want. Well, more than worth it. So now on to some actual Walking Dead news. Image Comics has been re-releasing all the Walking Dead comics

[00:02:09] monthly in color. Did you know this? No, are they still I thought it was just a kind of one off thing for a couple of issues. So there's still I think they're gonna do the whole run.

[00:02:18] I'm pretty sure and it's called Walking Dead deluxe and they have bonus back matter like, I don't even know what they have in there. I should check a couple of those out. But I know

[00:02:29] he does q&a is Kirkman and he writes about I think he does like writes about his inspiration for whatever's in that comic. I don't know I need to check it out. But the reason I'm talking about

[00:02:39] it right now is an issue 67 which I think came out recently. He talked about Daryl. And if you are a fan of the comic, you know, Daryl's not in the comic. And so he talked about how Daryl was

[00:02:55] created for the show. He says, while I had a hand in creating Daryl and Merle, it was very much a team effort involving other season one writers, Jack low, Judy C, low, Judy C, and Charles H.

[00:03:09] Egli, as well as Frank Darabont, who originated and named them both. A cool thing in TV is that the actors also have a huge hand in who their characters become just in the way they interpret lines. surprising line reads inspire the writers to write the characters completely differently

[00:03:25] as the series progresses. So I'd also credit Michael Rooker and Norman Reedus with a lot of what makes those characters work. And he talked about why he didn't add Daryl to the comic ever,

[00:03:38] which he's asked about. He was asked about that all the time back in the day. I remember he says I would never have done it because it would feel wrong to bring the work of so many

[00:03:46] other people into the comic. I never wanted the show to change the comics and the comic is what made the show possible. And I worried it can turn into a snake eating its own tail. But he,

[00:03:58] he teased Daryl being in the comic. He kind of, because you know how he is, he, he makes you think one thing's going to happen and something else. And I think he deliberately made it seem like

[00:04:09] Daryl was going to be coming to the comic in a letters page. And then there was a cover which you could see in the previews of somebody holding a crossbow, but you couldn't tell who it was. Yes. And it turned out to be Dwight. Dwight.

[00:04:23] And then kind of related, this is from a while back, but Norman Reedus talked to the Hollywood reporter about his casting for, for the Walking Dead, not for the Daryl spinoff. It's pretty much a shoe in for that.

[00:04:37] Pretty much. They saw some other guys though. They were pretty good. Yeah. He had a good audition. He said, I went to LA for pilot season just to see what was on TV because it was starting to become really great. I was already watching AMC shows like Breaking

[00:04:51] Bad and Mad Men religiously. Me too. I love both of those. There were so many similar scripts, hospitals and cop dramas. And then the Walking Dead was so different. It stuck out like a sore

[00:05:00] thrum sore thrum sore thumb. But the Walking Dead was so, uh, I had a feeling it was going to be something cool that I would want to watch. I asked to go in for anything, even something just

[00:05:11] for a day. They got me in for an audition, not in front of Frank, but I read Merle's lines. I'd already been told that Michael Rooker was playing that part and thought maybe he couldn't

[00:05:20] do it or said no. For some reason, I read it and went back to New York after pilot season and got a call to audition again. I came in and read different Merle lines. I thought maybe Rooker

[00:05:30] was not going to be doing it. When I left the offices in New York, I was walking home through Chinatown and got a call saying Frank created a new part, Darryl for me. I did cartwheels in

[00:05:40] Chinatown. It was a dream. I didn't know how long I'd last or if it was just one episode, but the job since day one has been my favorite working experience ever, and it continues to be. I feel very blessed to be here. Oh wow. So Merle was there.

[00:05:57] And then I don't know if they already had, he says they created Darryl for him, so I don't know what they were auditioning him for, but I've heard that before that the part was kind of created

[00:06:09] because they liked his audition. I mean, sometimes that happens. Hey, so that's cool. Well, that was fortuitous. That turned out well. I wouldn't want to watch Merle in Paris. Actually, maybe I would. He might be more like, I don't know, he would just be a racist asshole.

[00:06:27] Yeah, I was going to say it would be car crash television. Clash. Yeah, yeah. Could be fun. Fun to hate on him. Next, there's a Fear the Walking Dead trailer for the final six episodes out. We've gotten in trouble for spoiling Fear because we just have this,

[00:06:47] we don't care attitude and we talk about what happens, but people got mad. So I won't say what it is. Go watch it if you want to. But I will say that it's interesting on Fear that

[00:07:00] it's when Chambliss and Goldberg took over, they brought in a lot of new characters and kind of the older characters went by the wayside for the most part. But now at the end, some of those are,

[00:07:12] you know, it's more focused on them as you know, if you've been watching Fear. So I don't know, it's all going to suck. If they had brought Dave Erickson back, then that would be cool. The original showrunner of the show, but it's still Chambliss and Goldberg.

[00:07:27] So that's it for the news. Let's move on to Listener Moans, Groans and Grunts. I'm a zombie guy. Remember that show? Well, you know, actually that reminds me, I did read something Last of

[00:07:43] Us related that I think there was an article that now that the writer's strike is seeming to be wrapping up and be over that HBO instead of focusing on anything new for the next year,

[00:07:55] they're just going to try to get the stuff that we've been waiting for out, which includes like The Last of Us and White Lotus. Yes, which I'm also super happy about. And everyone seems to like

[00:08:07] that one show with Sydney Sweeney with kids doing drugs and having sex. Euphoria. I haven't seen it. Kids doing drugs and sex and stuff. They should get us on the writing team for that one. I think

[00:08:20] the kids should do drugs. That's what it's about. They're all kids to me. All right. Anyway, let's get into the feedback for this week's episode. All right. Tofaine Tébault says, Here is the

[00:08:31] French cover of People are Strange and Jason has put link in the show notes. Yeah. So check that out. I was looking for it the other day and I couldn't find it. So I'm glad she included that.

[00:08:41] Dabalino Bob Grippy says especially love the en francais cover of Strange, meaning people are strange. And then to see Jim Morrison's gravestone. Too good. Tracy Walker says the last thing I ever

[00:08:54] expected to see on The Walking Dead were drag queens five minutes in and I was beaming ear to ear. I love this show. Yeah, yeah, I love that whole sequence. Mary Kay Owens says I need to

[00:09:05] know who in the production has been to the house on the rock in Wisconsin. I got house on the rock music machines vibes from that orchestra scene. I don't even know what that is. I don't know this

[00:09:16] reference. Yeah, I want to go now though. Mary Kay Owens you've just said Jennifer McGinley says 12 years into the ZA and folk are still visiting Jim Morrison's grave so funny. Time for another

[00:09:31] music related pun that no one apart from me will get. Son number two is named James Morrison. Hi Jamie. So one music fan with great taste sent a welcome to the world baby card that you get on

[00:09:42] and wrote on it waiting for the sun spell S O N. Do you get it? Pretty funny, huh? Baby Jamie is 28 now and Jennifer's popped a link into the song waiting for the sun. Yeah, I need to put that

[00:09:54] in the show notes too. Yay. Megan Schuster says Harvey. No, that's her name. Harvey. I really like it. She's Harvey. Harvey, I really liked it. Okay, just letting you know through this podcast. That's how they talk. It's really romantic. That's amazing. All right. Megan Schuster,

[00:10:20] Harvey says I really like it favorite episode so far. Initially, I thought the Moulin Rouge stuff seemed really out of left field. Then I thought I guess if somewhere is going to pull that off

[00:10:29] in the ZA it's going to be Paris. Totally. Overall, I feel like I'm in the Walking Dead universe, which is which I love but so much of this show feels fresh. Maybe because it's in France,

[00:10:42] but it is working for me. I don't feel like I'm watching the same character arts and plot points like I sometimes felt with The Walking Dead or with fear or with dead city. But The Last of Us,

[00:10:52] on the other hand, exactly. I mean, there's kind of a truth to that because I think one thing that makes this show different from those shows is it's about a person on a journey, you know,

[00:11:03] and Walking Dead can sometimes be about like that, but not as much anyway. She goes on where so often they'd introduce a new bad guy or group and it would just feel the same as the last. This show

[00:11:15] feels fresh. Yep. Gary Leal says go and watch En Bruges, one of those hidden gem movies. You will laugh and you will cry. Clémence Pozy plays Chloe. Overall, I think she's so pretty even without

[00:11:27] makeup. Yes, I agree, Gary. The nightclub reminded me of a cantina bar. I expected the barkeep to yell your droids, they'll have to wait outside. It wasn't exactly like the cantina but similar instead of passage to Alderaan, Daryl is looking for transport back to America.

[00:11:43] When the people were handing him gifts, it was citizens of Zion giving offerings to Neo. I really thought when Daryl had him in a chokehold, he'd pop his neck and we viewers would hear a snap

[00:11:53] like breaking dry past a sound effect. Did anyone else cry when the little girl was in the back of her old building tangled in plants? So sad. Yeah, yeah, I like that. I kind of said that on the

[00:12:05] podcast though, especially when they were trying to get information about a boat. It reminded me of Hans Holow. Alma Contreras says whoever guessed this Quinn douchebag was Laurent's father wins the chicken dinner. Dinner for me. How the F did such a jerk father the Messiah? I don't know.

[00:12:27] I don't know. She goes, lol, I figured we would run into him just not so soon. Yeah, same. The cabaret scene was unlike anything we've seen on The Walking Dead. I liked it, but it made me forget

[00:12:39] we were in the zombie apocalypse. I really loved what Daryl said to Isa about Laurent being lucky to have survived. I got a rewatch because I don't remember it verbatim. All I know is I totally

[00:12:51] agreed with him. So was I the only one that had we don't need another hero? Tina Turner beyond Thunderdome pop into my head when Isa was arguing with Daryl lol. We don't need another hero. I had

[00:13:04] one nitpick tattoo dude met with the commander chick and then all of a sudden turned up in Paris right on Daryl's heels. Suspension of disbelief, I guess. All in all it was a good episode. Can't

[00:13:15] wait to tune into the cast and hear y'all's thoughts. Well, she may be in Paris. Yeah, I figured he'd been picked up as he came in. They were like, oh, you need to go and see

[00:13:25] Janae know that you're here. I mean, I mean, she say I think Alma's saying because last we saw Janae she was in that port up north. But yeah, now she says she's at headquarters, which I think

[00:13:39] might be in Paris. So so when this guy called drone went and saw her it may have been near where Daryl is at this point. I don't know for sure. Not sure. Okay, let's do a couple calls.

[00:13:52] And when Hey guys, Daryl Dixon episode three, this show is still going strong. I really enjoyed this episode as well. As the first couple you guys talked about Paris and whether the apartments look

[00:14:06] like they do in the show. And I was lucky enough to be able to stay in Montmartre one time with my mom when I was like 21. And it was fantastic. We stayed with a friend of hers. And it was an

[00:14:20] apartment just like that. Polish wood floors, French doors, of course, with a kind of little mini balcony railing thing to stop you falling out. And it was right near Montmartre. So you

[00:14:31] could see the Sacre Coeur just like in this shot. And it was quite funny because when they looked over the road and they could see that zombie in the across the way, it reminded me of when I was

[00:14:43] in Paris and there was this literally an artist a painter in this Garrett kind of loft right across the way painting with this big baggy white shirt and his waistcoat. So Paris fantastic. I love how

[00:14:54] the Europeans are so classy and did city they had this shitty little roadside bar. And in Paris, they pretty much have the Moulin Rouge. I thought that was great. Such a visual symphony loved it.

[00:15:05] Even a drag queen in the zombie apocalypse. It was really cool that they went through the catacombs as well. And I love that line about surviving many apocalypses. It was such a

[00:15:15] surprise to see Quinn again. He's the pimp daddy there at the Moulin Rouge. And I love the dialogue with him and Izzy. And I thought that she knew but that he didn't that her sister was pregnant.

[00:15:29] And then it turns out that he didn't know. And then once he finds out, then realizes he's the dad and then she finds out that she didn't know. And she's all surprised and it was a whole big

[00:15:39] thing. Anyway, great writing. I think the dialogue is so much better. Really enjoying it. And thanks so much for the podcast. Bye. She said still going strong and it made me wonder if we'll

[00:15:54] get a stinker. Do you think we'll get a bad one? We're three for three at the moment. But maybe maybe there'll be a ball episode or something. Or just like a black and white French film of

[00:16:05] the girl on her tricycle with sad music. That might be that might be good. Yeah, it's like Norman Reedus directed this. Go crazy with it, Norman. Do it. Maybe next season. All

[00:16:18] right. And here's Colin from Iowa. Colin from Iowa again. Figured this time I would grace you with here in my beautiful voice. So just got done with the third watch of episode three. I'm not even

[00:16:37] going to try to pronounce the episode name. I am not fluent in any foreign language except maybe Creole. It's cool. But upon my third time watching, I just thought it was so freaking cool to have a zombie orchestra. Didn't make sense because zombies can't breathe. Walkers can't

[00:17:01] breathe. And they had horns shoved down their necks. That one kind of bugged me a little bit. That was kind of scary. I would have killed that guy right away. He just looked like my high

[00:17:15] school gym teacher and that's that's not an okay look to have. I just want to applaud Darryl's resourcefulness and the writing crew. Who would have thought to use a burner to burn vines off a door? That was genius. And props to the writing team for not letting him

[00:17:38] touch it. And I noticed he during that whole ordeal, he had dropped a trench knife. He didn't didn't have a trench knife in the pilot show. Carol did. And you see it again later on in

[00:17:56] the episode. Oh, and Quinn, he's a piece of shit. I figured I should have told you my British accent is not even existing. It's not bad. Pretty close. Darryl was allowed three F-bombs

[00:18:17] in this episode. Yeah, it was crazy. Frickin crazy. I loved it. Now fuck this guy. Uh, and he's dressed like a Continental soldier. I it was such a great episode. And then Co, Co, Dron, Coheed and Cambria, whatever his name is. He's out for revenge, man. He's

[00:18:43] I like him as a character and then him going one on one with Darryl Dixon. Hell yeah, that was it was a fun episode. Uh, yeah. Y'all weren't wrong about how good the third episode is.

[00:18:57] Or unless I'm getting my podcast mixed up. I don't know. I got like three Walking Dead podcasts. But anyway, thanks for all you guys do. Jason, Lucy, all the rest.

[00:19:08] We hated it. Killing it. Doing a great job. I am so excited to hear your guys' voice every week. And Lucy, my family's from Ireland. I love Ireland. And uh, hearing your voice in my

[00:19:25] hashtag native tongue, that soothes my soul. So thank y'all. It's I, I can't wait to hear all the commentary for every, every other upcoming episode and a spin off shows. So thanks guys. I really appreciate it.

[00:19:45] Oh, that was super nice and very interesting. But I think he has you mixed up with Derek. Oh, that makes sense. We are quite similar. Oh, Colin, that was a nice voicemail. Thank you. I'm glad that my Celtic tones can bring some joy to your day.

[00:20:00] Yeah, that was amazing. Thank you for calling it. I love the, the Iowa cricket ambiance. And he said he loved the zombie orchestra. Walkers can't breathe, but they can expel air because they go. So that might help. Yeah. How can they make noise if they don't?

[00:20:19] Yeah. And then he said he would have just killed that guy. That's funny. Tell it like you mean it, you know? Yeah. I hope you call him again. Colin, that was cool. Yeah, please do. Next up, Andrea Hatfield Olmsted. I really enjoyed this episode and

[00:20:40] really enjoying the vibe the show is giving. My favorite part was when Darryl used the acid walker to break through the vines. Darryl has always been quick on his feet and always stayed calm in situations, which is one of the greatest things about his character.

[00:20:52] I wonder why we didn't see many walkers. Is it just me or is France less populated? Some situations I was confused, like when did they lose Laurent after being in the apartment? Also, I really am having a hard time believing that's Laurent's father. I think he's lying for

[00:21:06] his own needs and wants to use Laurent as a pawn. He knew at the gas station when he was trying to ditch her. So why now does he want him? Also, what's up with the experimental explosion zombie

[00:21:16] and why are they still making this virus worse? Eek, something tells me we aren't in Georgia anymore. Lastly, this is a cue that you want to mention it, but the last of us in The Walking

[00:21:26] Dead are different. Something you all forgot to mention last time is everyone is already infected in The Walking Dead universe. This makes it different entirely and raises the probability of there may not be a cure. Peace, Annie.

[00:21:39] Yeah, good point. Let's see. Some of the situations I was confused, like when did they lose Laurent after being in the apartment? Well, I don't think he came with them, did he? Yeah, I don't think so. He was probably just hanging out at that whatever that group was.

[00:21:56] The rooftop place. The rooftop place. Yeah. And then talking about and then you know, they were together again at the club or whatever. But then she heard overheard them talking and took off we assume for the Eiffel

[00:22:09] Tower. She said Quinn knew at the gas station when he was trying to ditch her. That's a good point. He knew that Lily, Isabel's sister was pregnant and you would think he would have assumed it was his, right? Yeah, that's why he wanted her either way, though.

[00:22:26] Yeah. But so but now suddenly he wants the kid. So that's, you know, what is going on? I'm a little I was a little confused about what exactly he wants anyway. But I guess he was surprised to

[00:22:37] know that Lily actually survived long enough to have the kid or something. I don't know. Yeah, but then he asked how she was and and and then she said then Isabel said she died,

[00:22:49] I think, in childbirth or something. And then he thought it was sad or I don't know. Anyway. Yeah. Emotions. All that shakes out. Yeah, it's not it doesn't always make sense. Okay, Charlotte Bailey says I really liked this episode. I had a few moments where I literally

[00:23:06] gasped and covered my mouth with my hand. LOL. That's great. The first one was the little girl Walker. I thought she might come back in some sense, especially because this might seem weird,

[00:23:17] but her hair was in that very specific braid updo which was very recognizable even 12 years later as a zombie, which now that I'm writing this, there's no way her hair would have stayed like that for

[00:23:27] 12 years. LOL. The second gasp was the Quinn reveal and subsequently the baby daddy reveal, which people had already predicted but was still shocking. I have a slight gripe when Daryl tells Isabel that she has to stop lying to Laurent and then Laurent suddenly pops out of nowhere and

[00:23:45] yells that he hates both of them and then runs away something about that seemed very weird and not quite earned. Like what they were saying. I only watched it once. So I don't remember that

[00:23:53] well. Wasn't that bad? I don't think I don't think it quite earned that reaction. Yeah, we kind of thought the same. Yeah, it was quite OTT. I felt I really liked how that means over

[00:24:04] the top by the way, if you guys don't know, I have to translate the Scottish. No, I'm just kidding. It's really difficult. I do talk a lot of shit. I really liked how quickly Daryl read Quinn

[00:24:17] and was nah, I don't need a boat from this asshole. Let go. I also had a chuckle when Isabel was getting her drug stash and she says I wasn't always a nun and Daryl said something

[00:24:28] along the lines of I've noticed or no shit. Anyway, love the episode. Can't wait to hear all his thoughts and hopefully this isn't too late for listener feedback. It's not. It was not. Chris Lebow. Bonjour les amis. Entry number two in Daryl Dixon's handy French phrases in

[00:24:48] post-apocalyptic France. When you find yourself suckered into some crazy, good, macabre zombie show, use the following. Excusez-moi, je dois y aller. Ce spectacle, c'est de la merde. Excuse me, I have to get the hell out of here. This show is crap.

[00:25:05] Just some observations on an episode I thought was mostly meh. Young Laurent is having quite the field trip and learning about his real life. I'm thinking twice about sending my son on a trip

[00:25:14] abroad to France. Sylvie might be on her way to being a fallen nun after her night out in Paris with that young rogue. No, Sylvie, don't do it. No, Sylvie, do do it. He was cool. The city of

[00:25:27] lights is having its effect on Daryl. He is pausing to take contemplative looks at the city views and art. Next episode we might see him wearing a beret, listening to Edith Piaf and painting down by the Seine. Forget the radio, forget the boat. D needs to express himself.

[00:25:43] Daryl is losing his touch in the big city as he appeared to just stand there as the roof started cracking and didn't make a move. Cool ending to the episode. French tattoo guy is zero

[00:25:52] and two in his encounters with Daryl. Cool fight scene on the roof. I hope Quinn gets back in the mix to come help our brand of Franco-American heroes. Are the Pouvoir people trying to weaponize the zombies? C'est la fin, merci, au revoir, l'ami. Thanks, Chris Lebow.

[00:26:10] Yeah, we didn't really talk about that too much, but Daryl did just stand there and be like, oh, looks like the roof is caving in. Yeah, there was a moment where I was like,

[00:26:19] you could maybe or something. Run away? Maybe? No? Okay. He's like, this might be fun. Let's see what happens. Eh, fuck it. All right, here is Gemma. Oh, Gemma. Hello, this is Gemma Cohen

[00:26:36] from South Wales with feedback for Daryl Dixon, episode three. I've got COVID as well, so my voice is really scratchy. I'm really sorry. What did I think of the episode? Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

[00:26:52] Another good one. A lot of talking. I thought in the episode a lot of dialogue from Carol, no Carol from Daryl. Sorry, this is my COVID fog. From Daryl and Isabel. A lot of like

[00:27:05] relationship building. I totally knew that we were going to see Quinn again and he's evil. Big surprise. And he and Lucy, yeah, he made the right call. He is the father of Laurent, which was a big surprise. You know, if I was Isabel, I would have slapped him.

[00:27:26] The reaction was like, winky palm. The little girl that she left behind. I just, when I watched last week's episode, I was like, don't leave her behind. Just pick her up and put her in the car.

[00:27:38] But I don't know if that's me. That's just my mother's instinct. Isabel wasn't a mother at the time. Well, also, I was thinking about that because she said, the little girl said, my mother is home crying. Yeah. And father, my dad, father hasn't come home or something like

[00:27:57] that. And if they're neighbors and also Isabel doesn't know it's the zombie apocalypse, she knows I don't want to adopt a kid. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she knows there's danger in town and weird things

[00:28:10] are happening. But also this kid said her mother's right there. So I don't blame her at all for not yeah, like you said, kidnapping the kid. It'd be different. I think if she's like, mom's

[00:28:21] not waking up or dad are gone. I'd be like, oh, yeah, no, you should definitely take that. Do something. Yeah. Yeah. I think she did with the information she had. She probably did the

[00:28:31] right thing. Absolutely. So when she said in this last episode, I left her. I can understand her feeling bad about that for sure. Seeing what happened. But hopefully she would realize. Oh,

[00:28:41] yeah. I mean, within the context of what was happening, that was the thing to do. I mean, maybe you know what she could have done is said, let's go home to your mom right now. I'll take

[00:28:50] you over there. I'll take you there. Yeah. Oh, well, get your mom's. Yeah. Isabel's awful. She's the worst. She killed this kid. Oh, well, what a bitch. You know, I want to pick that child up. It

[00:29:04] was heartbreaking to see her still there and still wearing the same clothes or the same hairstyle. You know, she probably was bitten straight after. Bless her. The walkers with the fire burning thing. They were really freaky. I mean, yeah. Horrible. And the one that they were doing

[00:29:24] experiments on kind of reminded me of in the world beyond when they were doing experiments on like how long it takes people to turn up there. They've been bitten and such. And I don't really know what was going on with this one, whether they'd

[00:29:40] kind of put something in him to like it seemed to have strength because he pulled the bars off the wall and he was like going crazy and then ran up really fast to the glass. But then he killed

[00:29:51] himself. So I'm not really sure what was going on with that, but it was interesting to see. Darryl getting away from the Terminator tattoo guy. It's quite interesting. Like there's bullets raining down on both of them as well. They both escaped, which is plot armor for Darryl.

[00:30:13] But yeah, so when the episode ended around that point, I was like, oh, I didn't want to end. So next week looks really good. Yeah, I'm really enjoying it. I think I'll have to watch it again

[00:30:26] because the code for VidFocus just ended on my brain. But I am looking forward to, you know, hopefully seeing some more like fast walkers again and the Eiffel Tower and stuff like that. But yeah.

[00:30:40] Oh, and I do. I'm still picking up on some tension between Isabel and Darryl. I think, you know, I don't think they'll probably go there with it, but the possibility is kind of there like,

[00:30:51] you know, like him and Connie was like always a bit, you know, well, they won't do something. And I think that's kind of a similar sort of vibe. But yeah, enjoying it. Looking forward to the

[00:31:01] podcast. I'm really enjoying having a podcast back and listening to you again, Jason and Lucy and the feedback and just be nice to be back in the world of the walkers. So yeah. See you soon. Bye

[00:31:14] bye. Oh, Gemma, I hope you feel better. I think she's negative now. But oh, really? Yeah. I hope you've hope you've recovered. Okay. Yeah, it's a bummer. Yeah, I think Daphne might have come down

[00:31:27] with it to go in range. Yeah. I'm gonna get that vaccine. All right, let's hear from Gloria from Salem, Massachusetts. Oh, hi, Jason and Lucy. This is Gloria from Salem. This is for Darryl Dixon

[00:31:45] Episode three. It was really excellent, but not my fav. Paris is still Paris. Jesus was freaking nightclub. Wow. I absolutely love that there's drag queens in this world. Some of my favorite people. I think someone definitely should have stolen some booze though before they left. I mean,

[00:32:03] really? But I am glad that Isabel got Lily's picture for the wrong. Yes, and it did go by way too fast. What was that about? And oh my god, that insane dude living alone with all the dead

[00:32:18] on stage as zombie orchestra. Seriously asking for his own demise playing that music so loud. Last episode was my favorite by far. But God, poor little scooter girl. We all knew we were

[00:32:32] gonna see her again. But that was wicked sad. I swear the budget for this show must be something. But Jim Morrison grave was a really nice touch. Very nice poignant moment for Laurent with the

[00:32:45] woman who lost her husband, Sonia. That kid is growing on me. Gotta tell you the guy with the pigeons. I love him. I recognize him from a different show, Atlanta. He plays master demo.

[00:33:00] I would love it if you guys did Atlanta. Very glad to see that you're doing Ted Lasso though. What's the guy's name? Code drone whose brother Darryl killed. Dude, revenge is wasted in this

[00:33:13] world. Come on, man. Life is too short. I had a feeling would see Quinn again. But God, what a douche. I really hope he's not Lauren's father. I think he said that just to hurt Isabel. I'm hoping anyway.

[00:33:28] Yeah. And whose idea was it six episodes? Seriously? Is that all we're gonna get? I got who made that executive decision? I'd like to know because it's not enough. And I was hoping maybe that they filmed season two at the same time. So it'd be out sooner than

[00:33:48] you know, most. But that's it for me. Have a good night, guys. Bye. Thanks, Gloria. Thanks, Gloria. I love your accent. So we've had a bunch of calls and comments from people in Massachusetts lately.

[00:34:06] And I'm headed there in a few weeks. So I'm trying to think if maybe we could do like a meet up. Yeah, drink meat for drinks or something like that. Stay tuned. Maybe we can.

[00:34:17] She Yeah, season two has been confirmed in case everybody didn't know that of the show six episode first season. Maybe it's a Walking Dead tradition to have a first like the Walking Dead

[00:34:28] proper had six episodes. I don't remember for fear. Was it a six episode first season? I think it might actually have been Yeah, I think it was. And then Tales of the Walking Dead was six. What

[00:34:38] about World Beyond? No, that was 10. The tradition and Dead City was six. But maybe season two of the Daryl show will be more. We'll see. Yeah. She mentioned Outlander. I've seen one or two

[00:34:53] episodes of that show. But I know my friend Mary and her husband Blake do a podcast about that you might want to check out. I don't know if you've already. Oh, did they? Outlander podcast? Yeah.

[00:35:03] It's big. interview all the actors and everything. And she mentioned the orchestra scene. The favorite thing about that scene that we didn't mention is they were playing Ravel's Bolero, which I

[00:35:15] I've always liked that song. Ever since I saw it when I watched the movie 10 with Bo Derek when I was like eight years old and should not have been watching that because it's like an adult romantic

[00:35:29] comedy. And it made that song really popular again, like 50 years after the composers death. It was featured prominently in it. That's cool. All right. Jodi language says, Well, I never thought

[00:35:43] we would get a crossover between The Walking Dead and Moulin Rouge, but we got it. But before that, we stopped off to visit Doc Brown and his walk astra, which I could not stop laughing at one of

[00:35:55] the weirdest things I've seen. You should watch Fear the Walking Dead. There's shit like that all the time. Not sure what the point of that scene was for the story, but I was entertained

[00:36:05] all the same. I don't know why they hung around so long. Nutter alert. They didn't hang around that long. Absolutely loved hearing people are strange in French. That was perfect. Daryl's reaction to

[00:36:17] the pigeon post was classic. Also his face in the nightclub. I mean, I would be the same. What is going on? People have time for entertainment. Although it was the same at the Commonwealth

[00:36:29] when they had that fancy gala feels not quite realistic to our group. When Daryl's enjoying the different vistas of Paris, is he wishing he could share them with Carol? I think so. Oh, yeah. These burner walkers are creepy as shit. One just jumped right up from the ground

[00:36:45] after falling out a window. Yeah, for sure. The way he got up like that was creepy chest up first, you know, that was awesome. It's a hard no for me on that crap. We all knew Quinn would show

[00:36:58] up somewhere doesn't look like he has aged today but is still a giant douche. Did Daryl forget that a chokehold is illegal? And the not in the zombie apocalypse and the F bonds this episode

[00:37:09] three or four I think but well placed and not excessive. My prediction is that Laurent is heading for the Eiffel Tower. He is obsessed with it. And once again, we ruin a well established

[00:37:19] settlement with our shenanigans sigh. I mean, what? What do you want? Oh, so good. Love Jodi. Danielle Dement says I really like this episode. I have no idea how in the world could run figured

[00:37:38] out where Daryl was though. And I'm actually not clear on why Laurent is so angry with Isabel and Darryl. All he heard was the experience of his birth was terrible. Yeah, welcome to feminism

[00:37:48] or I'm sorry. And the suggestion from Darryl that Isabel was lying to him about something. It seems more likely that he would creep around the corner and ask what they were talking about

[00:37:56] not yell that he hates them and run off but okay, not my story to tell. Maybe he was mad about something completely unrelated. I hate you both. Let me start the sex in that kind of nonsense.

[00:38:09] Like the settings in this episode were really fun. I love the nightclub although I'm not sure why they just left Laurent completely unattended in an unfamiliar place. I really thought everyone was overthinking things when they said Quinn was Laurence father but what do you know? And he knew

[00:38:26] so he was more than willing to abandon Lily and his unborn child when the shit hit the fan in Paris all these years ago. Not a great look my guy. I suspect Quinn has Laurent or will he is

[00:38:36] probably hiding somewhere in the club and will be discovered with this third episode. I realized something. I've been feeling like all this is just side quest on the way to getting Darryl home and

[00:38:45] I haven't gotten terribly invested in any of it but this is the story. If Darryl ever makes it home, it will be at least a couple years from now. So I guess I need to get my head in the game

[00:38:55] and start digging into these characters. I like Isabel but Laurent still isn't impressing me. I mean the character not the actor. I hope he gets a lot more development soon. As always, looking forward to the podcast and appreciating all the time and energy you put into it.

[00:39:09] **Matt Stauffer** Thank you. Yeah, I kind of wonder like she was saying about this is just sort of a side quest for Darryl going home and it feels like they're flirting with the themes of well,

[00:39:19] you know your family is who you're with or something like that that maybe Darryl will just at some point decide that oh I like Morgan did when he went to fear the walking dead, you know,

[00:39:32] and I kind of hope not because I want Darryl to go back and be with Carol and everything, you know, but I think Isabelle's he really she resents that he wants to go home. I'm like, dude, he's got people. **Samantha McLean**

[00:39:43] I know he's essentially a flippin parent to two children whose other parents abandoned them. **Matt Stauffer** Yeah, whenever she gets like that, like you just want to leave. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he wants to go home. **Samantha McLean** Yeah, he does. That's normal.

[00:39:57] **Matt Stauffer** But I am getting invested in the characters though of this show for sure. Maybe they can take a trip to America. Yeah. All right. Here's Lara. **Lara Lebeau** Hi Jason and Lucy, this is Lara with my feedback for episode three Paris sera toujours Paris.

[00:40:16] This show, this show, c'est des bananes. It's bananas. On first watch I'm always thinking do I like this? And then I watch again and like, it's great. I love it. So it's hard for me admittedly not to love all the beautiful cinematography, especially this episode in

[00:40:34] Paris. Because even with the disintegration and ruination, Paris is still beautiful. I'm really impressed by the production design and how they've brought to life a post apocalyptic Paris, or maybe to death. The fact that they were able to film in both Père Lachaise Cemetery

[00:40:53] and the catacombs is crazy impressive. I mean, it's a show about death. How can you not film in those two iconic locations? Anyhow, for the episode, I'm glad we're getting revelations about the story very quickly. One of the advantages to having only eight episodes this season.

[00:41:10] And I know some people were suspecting Quinn of being Laurent's father, but I was still skeptical. But nope, that litchy bastard is the son of the Messiah. Damn. Well, at least we don't have an

[00:41:22] immaculate conception on our hands. I don't care if people find him annoying. I love Laurent. He's a sweet boy who's been sheltered and deceived his whole life. And I'm surprised he's not a spoiled brat with all the gifts everyone keeps throwing his way. Word to the wise parents,

[00:41:38] never slip around the corner to talk about your children. They're always going to hear you. When Jason asked what we were looking forward to in seeing Daryl Dixon, I said, I wanted an arthouse style foreign film with Daryl at the Louvre contemplating the Mona Lisa. And I think

[00:41:57] I got my wish. What's more arthouse than a loony old man conducting Bolero with a zany orchestra of Zeds? And it wasn't Da Vinci in the Louvre, but Monet in the catacombs. But still, assez bon. 8.75 out of 10 bottles of Chateauneuf-du-Pape. Can't wait to hear what you guys think.

[00:42:17] And until next week, à bientôt! Au revoir. Yeah, the catacombs scene reminded me of when I've been there. But also Lucy, you mentioned a few episodes back that we might watch As Above So Below, which is a horror movie that's set in the

[00:42:36] catacombs that came out a few years back. And I watched it and didn't really love it. And I, you know, I just, I don't want to talk about something unless I'm like super into it. But

[00:42:46] I do think that people should check it out if they want to see a horror movie in the catacombs and that maybe you'd like it. If you just go to, you know, the wiki page and check out the

[00:42:56] description and see if you're interested in it. Yeah, yeah, it's very claustrophobic. I remember the settings being cool. Like the guy, one of the main guys is, oh, he played a character. Ben Feldman?

[00:43:10] Yeah, in Mad Men. And what else was he in? He was in some other show. Sugar for Store. Oh, yeah, he was in something else too. Can't remember what it was. But I think he chopped off his finger in Mad Men by accident. Anyway,

[00:43:24] It was finger or nipple, I feel like. Oh, you're right. I didn't want to remember that. I know, it's so horrible. Anyway, he's claustrophobic, I read. So that was super hard for him because they filmed it all in

[00:43:39] the catacombs. And he had to keep like taking breaks and getting out of there. Yeah, I couldn't do that. No, I don't think I could either. All right. Karen, she says Jason and Lucy are totally

[00:43:52] right that episode three captures the spirit of Burning Man. If you listen to any long form interview with Norman Reedus, you'll hear that he grew up in an artist colony in New York City.

[00:44:01] He lived in warehouses, co-owned an art gallery and made lots of money selling sculptures and mixed media of women's body parts and other interesting subject matter. He once sculpted a very anatomically detailed vagina out of pieces of a busted up rock. Just as with his

[00:44:17] photography, Norman turns what's traditionally considered unusual and taboo into something beautiful. And like the cabaret and drag queens featured in this episode, Norman has always been an iconoclast, a singular avant garde artist. Oh, and I know that many people are allergic to TV

[00:44:33] that explores religion totally understandable, but I find it a great entry point for me who first came to The Walking Dead because of my circuitous faith journey. I find myself surprisingly moved by

[00:44:43] some of Isabel's lines. Religion has often been satirized, mocked or the butt of a joke on TV. So far, I think this show has been pretty balanced about it. I love all that Karen. That was very

[00:44:56] well. She has a PS. Oh, another other interesting things about Norman Reedus, the multimedia artist. Quote, he dropped out of high school to move to Tokyo, then London, then Spain, where he supported himself by selling paintings of stray cats. Wow. Amazing. Yeah. She

[00:45:13] says, I know both Jason and Lucy love cats. Absolutely. Absolutely. Quote, Reedus wanted to make a movie out of a movie about New York City drag queen, prostitute Margot Howard Howard, author of the memoir, I was a white slave in Harlem. But the project stalled when the friend

[00:45:29] who had agreed to star in the film Heath Ledger died. I didn't know any of that. That's so interesting. All of it. I think Karen just made all that up. What a different. Chat TV team,

[00:45:40] make up some stories about Norman Reedus. What like a different life Reedus might have had if Heath Ledger hadn't died and he'd made that film. And yeah, that's really wild to think about.

[00:45:54] I mean, he's kept up with art and he put out an art book at some point. And I think he's, that stuff doesn't get publicized as much, but I think he stays in that world. And it's really

[00:46:10] fascinating and interesting. And what I was saying, because I think that has a lot to do with why this week's episode was so good if you thought it was good, because he understands that art is

[00:46:22] about emotion and life and hope, like I was saying, all that stuff. And he really infused that episode into creativity and self-expression probably more than anything else I just said.

[00:46:33] So he really put that all in there. And I think it's really cool. And he does that. And even when he's like on stage at a convention and he like pull some practical joke or something like puts

[00:46:45] a whoopee cushion under someone's seat, or he's done stuff like that. It feels like a similar impulse is just let's do something to shake us out of our zombie lives where we're just going

[00:46:56] around doing the same things all the time. He was also very sweet about his own cat. I think it was called Eye in the Dark. It was a black cat. I think it passed away like a year or two ago.

[00:47:06] But I was always like, oh, he's a cat guy. That's cute. Yeah, I love that. And I'm not surprised at all. I would think he'd be a cat guy. Although you got a dog in the show trailer. That's true. And he had his request.

[00:47:19] But I don't think he was like, no, Darryl needs a cat. Is that like, if you were an actor and you're like, just want to hook up with someone hotter than my spouse and you're like, can I have someone like a hot co star and he's like,

[00:47:33] I'm just bored of my cat. Can I have a dog instead? Cheating on his cat with dog. I just think, I mean, that's funny, but I think it makes more sense in the zombie apocalypse to

[00:47:47] have a dog that can be at your side. Your cat would abandon you in like two seconds. Exactly. Karen continues, my reaction thus far to Darryl Dixon, particularly episode three, is most analogous to the moment I arrived at my lodgings on Hawaii's Big Island when once in

[00:48:07] another life I had to go there on business and glancing around that secluded jewel of tropical paradise. I wondered what the fuck was wrong with me that I had not up until that point been

[00:48:15] completely losing my shit over the trip as it obviously encompassed all my favorite things. I don't, what is she saying that she didn't appreciate it at the start and then realized that everything that she liked was there. And what is that? What's the analogy?

[00:48:34] I feel like that's how she's feeling about Darryl Dixon. Correct me if I'm wrong. She was maybe like, eh, it's fine. But now she's like, oh my God, everything I love is here. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[00:48:43] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Also, I would pay money to see Bill Hader cover that Parisian nightclub as Stefan. While I'm confident the majority of you podcasters are familiar with Stefan, just in case you all gave up on SNL decades ago. Here you go. You're welcome. So she

[00:48:58] puts a video in the show notes. I think I've seen, um, I mean, I'll put the link in the show notes. I think I've seen that character, but not in many, many years. So I have no memory of it.

[00:49:06] So I have to go watch. I love Stefan. I love that. Thank you, Karen. And I think Stefan would love that nightclub. Jen from Brisbane, Australia says, hi, Jason, Lucy at all. Longtime listener,

[00:49:19] but this is the first time I've been in touch. Hello, Jen. Um, thanks for all the love, dedication and intellect you guys put into covering the Walking Dead universe. I am loving Walking Dead, Darryl Dixon. Sometimes watching the last seasons of the main show and

[00:49:33] then Dead City felt more like a chore than anything. Although both had their moments, the word that many people have raised regarding Darryl Dixon is fresh. And I have to agree. It's true. The lavish scenery and beguiling new characters help paper over some plot holes,

[00:49:46] but on the whole, c'est formidable. I'm writing specifically about your discussion, the cast of us episode 539 of similarities between Walking Dead, Darryl Dixon and the last of us. And that trusty trope of post-apocalyptic world, the troubled but capable middle-aged dude is

[00:50:02] squirting sassy kid who may or may not see the world trope. Apologies as this has been brought up before, but the president that stands out for me is the 2010 novel, The Passage by Justin Cronin

[00:50:14] published three years before the last of us video game. Jen, I love this book. The hero is a jaded FBI officer entrusted with delivering a mysterious orphan from a convent in the deep south to a top

[00:50:25] secret military lab in the Rockies. Yes, there's even a nun. More a vampire apocalypse than ZA, The Passage has all the great ingredients of the post-apocalyptic genre. The cross-country quest, mysterious radio signals, the top secret bioweapon experiment gone totally pear-shaped,

[00:50:43] benign white picket fence communities that conceal monster secrets, etc, etc. For me, it's right up there with the best post-apocalyptic literature, The Stand, The Road and On The Beach, all of which Justin Cronin has acknowledged as inspiration. The Passage was made into TV

[00:50:58] series circa 2019 on Fox in the US but cancelled after one season, which seemed a bit harsh as it was pretty solid. Jen, I loved that book and I never caught the TV show and I'm sad that I

[00:51:10] didn't. I'm glad to hear it was pretty solid and I might yet watch it. I read they just needed one more viewer and they would have renewed it but they were one shy. Sometimes in life.

[00:51:23] Things happen. But it feels powerful to have caused that. I feel powerful that my vote was so powerful in that situation. I remember when you heard it was coming on, you were very excited

[00:51:38] and I think I read that it was okay but maybe a bit of a disappointment although I feel like it didn't air properly in the UK. I don't think it got a release over here so it kind of went,

[00:51:47] I was a bit like oh it's out already huh? Yeah and then it was cancelled. I think the guy from Saved by the Bell wasn't it? Mark Paul Goslier. He's good. Well that sounds really good. It makes

[00:51:58] me want to read the book and maybe catch the series so thanks for bringing that up. I was also, I was reading about this trope of an older man you know escorting a child around and or a kid and

[00:52:11] and the earliest example that I could find was Lone Wolf and Cub which is a comic from 1970. Chronicles the story of Ogami Ito, the shogun's executioner who uses a Datunuki battle sword disgraced by false accusations from the Yagyu clan. He's forced

[00:52:34] to take the path the assassin along with his three-year-old son Daigaro. They seek revenge on the Yagyu clan and are known as Lone Wolf and Cub. Well that's not exactly the same story but

[00:52:46] anyway. Anyway that was a good description thanks Jen. All right now we've got Sam from Boston. Hi Jason and Lucy it's Sam from Boston. Hello. Wow this episode. In the beginning when that

[00:53:03] conductor slash actor theater person was acting all sketch I was like oh gosh this is gonna be pretty bad isn't it and then sure enough you know it was both better and worse than I had been

[00:53:20] fearing and just it's 24 hours later and I'm like I still don't have the words to describe that other than bravo like it's whatever drugs those writers are doing please do more of this was horrifically impressive just like the decapitated head playing the harp I mean respect this was

[00:53:42] amazing and I guess this is like the closest we're gonna get to a Walking Dead musical episode because you had the dead you know orchestra and then we had the walker that was in the bunker

[00:53:57] being experimented on like to me at like the brief showing that they had I was like he looks like he's just trying to do the fortnight floss but his arms are restrained so he just can't get the movements

[00:54:08] in and or maybe he's trying to do some other fortnight dance like it was just his hips were swaying I was like all right and then then the post-apocalyptic Moulin Rouge like that was

[00:54:22] incredible I would love to go there I mean I was very very impressed by all the the musical scenes they definitely related to Daryl when he walked over like someone's singing and it's like he goes

[00:54:35] over to the side to have a conversation with Izzy I'm like yes sir at our age that is exactly what we do we just go off to a quiet area to have a conversation because we can't hear each other

[00:54:47] with the music being so loud so I just I was really impressed with all that and you know Daryl facing off with the axe and just being the awesome guy that we know he is of saying like you know he

[00:55:01] barely knows Izzy but he's like I don't need a boat this bad so I just I was really really impressed oh the gut punch of that little girl Amy I felt that I felt that I don't even know that kid

[00:55:15] but it was just oh my goodness wonderful wonderful show I'm very excited to see where this goes and to hear the feedback yay yay Sam um yeah come to think of it it's kind of interesting they get to

[00:55:29] that guy he's kind of sketchy but it turns out he was harmless he just wasn't useful you know and as soon as I mean I it was easy to miss but he they were there for the radio and he had a radio

[00:55:44] but he had taken parts out of it to put into his amplification system yeah he essentially wasted it yeah and uh so Daryl's like all right this is not going anywhere let's get out of here so it could

[00:55:57] have like Sam said turned out to be a lot worse than it really was and here's Dee Brown hello the cast of us this is Steve and this is going to be for Daryl Dixon episode three you see the title

[00:56:11] Paris Sera Tujores Paris oh sure Daryl now you want to protect the horse is there always one crazy guy who's got walkers like doing crazy things like playing instruments and doing a show uh always happens I didn't realize that Jim Morrison was buried in Paris but okay hey

[00:56:31] again with the creepy prophecy don't worry Mr. Daryl you will not die in Paris pigeons really so I guess they're using homing pigeons not a radio oh this is uh like the people

[00:56:42] coming to see Neo and the Matrix or unless the second Matrix movie when they thought he well they I'm not gonna go into spoilers but it is a lot to put on our little kid

[00:56:53] this zombie is like doing what do they used to call that not break dancing um uh pop and lock he's popping and locking now he just he just popped all his locks I don't know what they're

[00:57:04] exactly experimenting on with that zombie but that was a little funny sequence there I can see that look from Daryl and from Isabel I wasn't always a nun okay I know there's been

[00:57:13] some discussion about Daryl's scar this Daryl the scar over his left eye that we don't know when it happened but it seems to get more pronounced every week oh is that the little girl from the flashback

[00:57:25] in the last episode it's got to be right oh we got more walkers falling from the sky now like in Dead City of course they had to show us the flashback from last week with the girl on the

[00:57:34] scooter just to confirm that yes was the same hit us over the head oh I got a bad feeling these friends he's gonna find are the friends that are looking for Daryl is that Quinn oh okay now we know

[00:57:46] why he was in that uh previously on at the beginning oh and I think you guys I think it's just confirmed that you're correct that Quinn is uh Laurent's father okay and so Quinn just

[00:57:56] outright told us that he's the father of the baby well so there is an f-word every week and Daryl got the f-word this week okay and so face tattoo turns up at the whatever this club is and now

[00:58:08] he's still looking for Daryl oh two f-words in one episode well Daryl didn't kill face tattoo but at least he gets his flail back seriously another moment with Daryl you're just gonna stand there

[00:58:19] while the floor goes up and with you and of course that's the end of the episode that was a funny ending he falls through and then you see that he's getting Daryl you're

[00:58:28] getting a lot of hate for not moving off that flipping roof um Steve said he didn't know that Jim Morrison is buried in Paris and it just reminded me that if you're at all interested

[00:58:41] in Jim Morrison I would recommend watching The Doors starring Val Kilmer really good role for him an interesting movie I didn't know that existed oh yeah yeah yeah he it was I think it's his one

[00:58:54] of his best roles I don't know I haven't seen in a while maybe it doesn't hold up but what the thing I remember the most about that is when it came out I was working at a movie theater it was like

[00:59:02] 1990 or something and we had a midnight showing and a lot of the theater was packed and when you opened the door of the theater just pot smoke wafted out and we went in to clean it up afterwards

[00:59:17] there were bottles in every row like half filled whiskey bottles and beer everywhere and stuff I mean people did it up it's crazy oh the 90s okay just got a few more here actually we have one more

[00:59:33] message and one more comment and two more calls Dina from Massachusetts says late to the feedback and I haven't listened to the listener feedback yet so someone else probably commented sorry if

[00:59:43] so well we're creating that right now as we speak yes I feel the last of us comparisons that diminish Darrell are unwarranted oh I think this is from earlier like you said the reluctant hero

[00:59:55] slash annoying chosen one journey is common in literature and movies and I think it's just unfortunate timing that the two shows were released so close together I'm most definitely biased because I've analyzed Darrell's character for so long geeky lit major here but besides same

[01:00:11] here but besides the trope I see more differences than similarities between the shows one example Darrell may be reserved and world weary at this juncture but the fact that he was able to say

[01:00:21] I love you to another person and be such a mentor to Judith Lydia and RJ by the end of the main series speaks to his character growth yeah yeah that's interesting and it like when you have such

[01:00:31] a long-running character like I always thought this about Carol it's hard to not have them become too self-actualized because these shows are all about character growth and character arcs you know so

[01:00:44] you have to find new directions that they still need to grow in so it's interesting to look at Darrell and see what that is and to me maybe for this show it's just okay he's already more he's

[01:00:59] grown emotionally but he could just be even better you know like the most kick-ass self-actualized version of Darrell ever like come in really come into his own in a way that he hasn't before I

[01:01:10] guess I mean I don't know what else to say he's already great right yeah and that's the thing all the spin-offs are kind of like I think spin-offs you do run the risk of undoing a lot of character

[01:01:20] development yeah and that was one of the things like Morgan he was just a character yo-yo yeah dead city Morgan those kind of things examples of maybe how not to do it in some ways

[01:01:33] but it's hard because it's really hard somewhere to go yeah yeah you can't just have everything be at the same note all the time she goes on he transcended his upbringing and became the person

[01:01:46] he was meant to be and the kids at the school caught that vibe latched onto him did you rebuff them in that cranky older man trope way no he very naturally put an arm around one and easily slipped

[01:01:56] into his uncle mode that's a great point by the end of the second episode any resentment he felt about escorting a kid to safety was second to comforting that kid a small difference but I feel

[01:02:06] it's very well it's a very welcome deviation from the usual character type in this trope including Joel well I'd have to say I think that is one thing they're sort of getting at with him is that

[01:02:17] he's not really as invested in this whole messiah thing and he's kind of just using them to get to the ship but personally I don't blame him for that so no I don't know yeah she says I love the last

[01:02:30] of us absolutely there's room for both and should be enjoyed as two independent works of art this next part has nothing to do with that comparison I love the exchange between Isabel and Daryl when

[01:02:39] she said you don't have children do you and that shut the fuck up you don't know what you're talking about tone he didn't retort but the look on his face which he didn't catch was our guarded

[01:02:48] Daryl yeah I am a dad it said and there was just a tinge of sadness there and if you want to get technical Isabel doesn't have children either how rumpf but I love her anyway okay I'm off my high

[01:02:59] horse thank you all for this podcast I've listened to every episode and just adore all of you and my husband and I want went to Scotland for a honeymoon so Lucy always brightens my day

[01:03:09] oh thanks Dina I am I personally hate when people say things like you don't have kids do you or you wouldn't understand you don't have children so I joined Daryl's grumpy face at that comment there

[01:03:23] are many different ways to be a parent so yeah suck it Isabel you are also not a typical parent so don't be judging all right two more calls here's Tammy from Massachusetts

[01:03:39] hi it's Tammy from Massachusetts I'm wondering if the Mork and Mindy thing was a little you know hidden agenda in there because I don't know if you guys ever watched it when you were kids but

[01:03:54] Mork from Ork it was a reverse age so old was young and young was old the body was old but the brain was young and vice versa and that was like one of the basis of the show and the second thing

[01:04:11] I was thinking was with Laurant and you said you looked up the Saint Laurant who had the gridiron and you know like died on the gridiron and then I thought to myself in France don't they call

[01:04:27] these burners maybe he saves from the fire like maybe he saves from the burn rather than like the Saint dies on the burn I don't know we'll figure it out okay bye wait I didn't get that

[01:04:43] uh because I know you said Saint Laurant he was killed via one of those like hot waffle iron yeah like a waffle iron I'm sorry sorry hagiographers amongst us that was the best description I had

[01:04:56] rather than Laurant dying by fire I think what Tammy is saying is maybe he saves people from fire oh okay okay we'll hope yeah so in Mork and Mindy his he's from another planet

[01:05:14] he his species aged backwards and um I'm gonna give some Mork and Mindy spoilers here but that was from like 1985 Mork Mork and Mindy become a couple and they end up having a baby

[01:05:27] and Mork lays an egg and then the egg grows to the size of like a big giant egg and then Jonathan Winters comes out who's this comedian he used to do a lot of impersonations and stuff

[01:05:40] and I think he was like 65 years old when he played that role and he just acted like a little baby until he was in like the last season it's pretty funny that's cute okay here is a call from Tiffane

[01:06:03] gonna switch to English because if I keep speaking French no one's gonna understand it's Tiffane from London I'm actually not English I'm French I hope I'm not the only French listener to Talking Dead Cats which I probably am I've been a long time listener from the first crossover

[01:06:22] I listened to with Talking Dead I think after season four after the prison and I discovered you and Karen and then I was hooked and since then I've been listening to lots of podcasts

[01:06:36] most of them for Patricastica I've joined a Facebook group and I'm so happy I've managed to call um so I finally found a way to watch Daryl Jackson in France or France I'm not as enthusiastic as

[01:06:52] you are all of you with the scenery and the landscape and the places because for me it's not new so obviously I know all those places France is familiar and like I said Georgia was

[01:07:06] more exotic for me than East France so I don't have the same kind of view on it I guess all of you guys um I don't have that touristy point of view um because I've been on those places

[01:07:18] I lived in Paris for a while for nearly five years I've been to Marseille and it's all very familiar places for me and it's in the show although the scenery and cinematography is

[01:07:29] really really amazing I mean France don't get me wrong France is a beautiful country lots of great landscape great places I mean it's beautiful beautiful place but to me it does feel like

[01:07:41] a bit like um what we call um France Eternelle, it means like it's a bit like the France 50 years ago or the France of Marseille-Paniole for those who are familiar with it um like you know kind

[01:07:55] of traditional France um the people we see in the show the landscape the abbey the nuns all of that sounds really really old-fashioned France to me French uh it doesn't really reflect what modern

[01:08:09] France would be 10 years in the apocalypse in 2000 whatever um so for that it seems a little bit too cliche to me um and really made for an American audience um there's a few bits actually that don't

[01:08:26] really fit like um Morkan what's that series with that was shown on the tv that's very American Marty or whatever I can't remember the name um that shows actually never aired on French tv ever

[01:08:39] I don't think most French people know about it it is not something that is part of our culture or pop culture um you have to be really familiar with American culture or American tv to know about

[01:08:51] it um so that was for me what we had a place uh it would not happen I think that's not a show that children in France in in that in our time would know about even if they found a tape of it

[01:09:03] maybe or maybe they found it with the American in the castle maybe that's why um that's one of my theory at least yeah uh Clements Poesy obviously really good actress um if you've never seen her

[01:09:16] before apart from Harry Potter I suggest you watch um a series from channel four I think Lucy might know about that I don't know if she was in Channel 4 Scotland but it's in Channel 4 um in the UK

[01:09:27] uh called the Tunnel which is a remake from a Danish series and it was with um Stephen Dillon if I remember well and Clements Poesy plays a French cop in it and so it's a cool production

[01:09:37] between England and France and it's quite really really good series if you want to check it out it's called the Tunnel everybody seems to be really amazed everyone can speak English in that

[01:09:47] series I think it's more like to make the series appealing and understanding for an English audience because obviously no one in France speaks English like that and believe me I spent 20 years trying to teach English to French people now it doesn't happen um I mean maybe more people

[01:10:02] speak English now in France than they used to because it's more global international and because of the music and the culture and all of that and the series that you can watch subtitled

[01:10:11] but believe me when you go I mean most of my UK friend here when they go to France they say no one speaks English I say same here when they come here the French people say no one speak French

[01:10:20] it's exactly the same but um I don't think French people are very very good at languages to be honest um they they are very arrogant they think that everybody should speak French and understand

[01:10:31] them but that's my oh she got cut off oh Tiffy I could have listened to you talk forever yeah it was so cool to hear someone from France yeah you know you talk about putting faces to names I like

[01:10:46] putting voices to names on the podcast yeah because we've heard her write in a lot and then we've got to hear her pronounce her name so now we can say it yeah I loved all that the thing about

[01:10:58] old-fashioned France I kind of wonder if part of that is just that in the zombie apocalypse things do feel more like you kind of return to an earlier age at least technologically but

[01:11:13] I don't think that encompasses everything you were saying to faint at all but I wonder if at least part of it is is because of that because even in the walking dead in I mean in um Georgia you know

[01:11:22] it's like they're riding horses you know and they're they have a well they so it does feel kind of like Amish or something there you know a time of coming from another age or something like

[01:11:34] that absolutely I'd be curious to know what you think about what I just said um the tunnel that sounds interesting I might want to check that out well that's Nick's dad Stephen Dillian is

[01:11:45] Frank Dillian's dad oh he's he's she said that was the star Stanis Baratheon is the co-star in that he's great cool all right that is our show episode 541 thanks as always for listening everyone hope

[01:12:03] you had fun I I really like these feedback ones because all I have to do is organize all the feedback I mean just cut and paste it and then we get to read it and talk about it and it's really

[01:12:15] nice it feels like it gives it room to breathe yeah yeah for sure um but next episode we'll be doing one of our less fun episodes where you have to talk about the show no I'm just kidding

[01:12:27] it's walking dead Daryl Dixon season one episode four la dame de fer which means the Denver fair the Denver bear the fur in Denver it means the woman of iron or maybe iron woman iron lady the iron lady yeah that's what it is

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[01:13:11] yeah that's all you need to know about that one not the heart-wrenching tale of survival and endurance just that Josh Hamilton's in it and he looks really cute I haven't listened yet

[01:13:21] did it hold did the movie hold I just listened to like the first half hour and I heard Jenny say she didn't like it as much as she remembered liking it I think we all we all started off a bit it's one

[01:13:32] of those stories and films that when you talk about it more you're like yeah actually it was wow yeah no so it did it was a really fun conversation so I'm looking forward to

[01:13:40] re-listening yeah me too I'm gonna listen to it also I should mention I mean I'm excited to mention that Ben and Kristen started their coverage of Ted Lasso on the revisited podcast so if you

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