545: "Deux Amours" Listener Feedback

[00:00:00] Hey Zed Heads, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Lucy. And we're going through your feedback for The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season one, episode five, Deux Amours. Before we get started, I wanted to mention, well, as we talked about last time, I have

[00:00:51] a Patreon exclusive podcast, The Zed Head Show. And this month is something really different and fun. We have a post-apocalyptic improv called Welcome to the Apocalypse, which was Randy's idea. And Randy, his friend Robert, Jenny Ryan, and me and Lucy recorded it yesterday.

[00:01:08] And what did you think about it? I thought it was so fucking fun, man. I really enjoyed it. I kind of wonder if anyone else will think it as fun as we did, but I had fun.

[00:01:17] I had a lot of fun. Yeah, no, I think it's potentially the start of something really cool. If you've ever listened to Hello from the Magic Tavern, which is one of my favorite improv podcasts, it had a similar vibe.

[00:01:29] Oh yeah? Nice. That's cool. So Randy is going to be editing that. He said tomorrow, I don't know how long it'll take, but probably within the week or so. So if you sign up at patreon.com

[00:01:40] slash Jason Kabassi, you can hear that. And yeah, I think it's fun and I can't wait to see what people think of it. Me neither. Also I wanted to mention, as I've said before, I'm going to be in Boston soon and I want

[00:01:54] to do a meetup. I'll be actually only in Boston one day, Friday, October 20th. And I want to have a meetup at 8pm at some bar and there's going to be like 20 people there who are just

[00:02:08] there for the weekend already. But I want people hearing me to come and join us. It's a fun group of Zed heads who are totally into The Walking Dead and you'll have a blast.

[00:02:17] I don't quite know the location yet. I was going to have it at this bar I used to go to when I was in grad school, but Daphne pointed out it's probably way too small for 20 people

[00:02:26] if that's actually how many people are going to be there. So we're still trying to figure out a place and I will figure that out and mention it in our next podcast for the Daryl

[00:02:35] Dixon finale. So if you're in the area, please come to that. It'll be fun. I guarantee it. If not, I'll buy you a drink. I'm so jealous. You're going to have such a good time. Yeah, well, maybe we'll definitely have a drink in your honor.

[00:02:51] That's what I like to hear. But I wish you were there. All right, let's get into listener bones, groans and grunts. So I have not mentioned this in a while because I hate mentioning this, but I kind of feel

[00:03:08] like occasionally I need to. And that's that we usually ask people to try to limit calls to around two or three minutes just so we can fit everyone in and not have these episodes

[00:03:17] go hours. Some of the calls are getting longer, which is why I'm bringing it up. Like there was one that was five minutes, one that was around 10 minutes this week. I love that enthusiasm,

[00:03:27] but I'm afraid if we start playing calls that long, then more people will start leaving more calls that long and then we just won't be able to play all the calls. And I don't

[00:03:34] want that. So that's why I'm bringing it up. So if you could keep it to around two or three minutes, that said, if you have something super fascinating to talk about and it's longer than we'll totally play it. But if you hear your call edited today, that's why.

[00:03:48] To the rules, kids. Yes. What Jason said. On the other end of the scale, nice short message from Tij Mateel who says, I actually really like this episode. Whoa. Yeah, that was short but powerful. Megan Schuster Harvey says the best episode

[00:04:08] so far. Josh Hamilton. I mean, Josh Lewis says, who came back? Morgan, Rick. Lance. Yeah. What did we say? We don't know. I think we went for the rat. Carl. Lori. That's who we decided it was. Lori came back. Guess who's back?

[00:04:36] Slim Shady. Angie Hill Reynolds says Morgan. Wasn't he going to go back to Alexandria? No, he was going to go look for Rick, I think. Well, maybe that's where he would look, actually. To me, that's a good point because he doesn't know Rick is somewhere else.

[00:04:49] If I was Carol, I'd be like, this guy's back. Although Carol has a much fear of the walking dead. So yeah, she'd be like, you seem a little different. Nice. That's actually a good point.

[00:05:04] When I read Angie's message, I was like, no, no, he was going to go look for Rick, you know, in Philadelphia or wherever he is. But he wouldn't know. Morgan doesn't know that. So maybe it is

[00:05:12] Morgan. Nate Puccini says, it's the who came back line that got me most intrigued. I also appreciated one finally seeing how Darrell got on the boat and off to a deadly variant zombie in action.

[00:05:27] Yeah. Yeah. The one on the ship was, was so cool. I love that so much. Yeah. Almost funny. Mm hmm. Tracy Walker says, I got very confused between the timelines at the end. I don't know

[00:05:42] if it's on purpose or not, but I wish they'd change the lighting a bit. I just kept searching for the suspenders to figure out when I was, I didn't notice any suspenders, but I didn't even

[00:05:52] realize. Oh yeah. I didn't even realize that I also was confused until I watched it a second time and was like, oh yeah, those two things are happening in two different times. Like I

[00:06:02] didn't even know at first, but when I watched closer, I dug how it was putting together two intense sequences of events back and forth. The pacing was good. I like that. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:15] Sean says this was most definitely the best episode so far. Finally we get a crazy variant Walker on the show really reminded me of something I've left for dead. And that last

[00:06:24] Walker reminded me of the Ram from dead Island. I genuinely hope they taught this one in the finale. We never played dead Island, but I'm curious. Man, people seem to like it. They,

[00:06:38] I guess they don't feel like it's over the top or whatever too far out. Jason Badgett says you guys thought of long dead characters before you thought of Morgan, the one character who said he

[00:06:49] was headed back to Alexandria. All right. Jason, pipe down, pipe down. I like your lorry theory. All right. I do. Yeah, it would be more fun if it was, if we were right. Ghost lorry and a rat.

[00:07:01] I do think they're setting Morgan up to be a part of the end of Rick's storyline so everything can come full circle. And if so, hopefully they do it in a way that doesn't require any knowledge

[00:07:09] of the events on fear. Just that Morgan has been away and now he's returned. Yeah. I mean, when he left fear Morgan, and this is kind of spoiler, if you haven't seen fear, but it's walking dead. It's I'm going to talk about it. It's also public health,

[00:07:24] like duty for us to make you not watch that show. Yeah. Spoil the hell out of it. So you'll feel like you've seen it and won't have to watch it. He said he was going to go look for Rick. And

[00:07:34] I pretty much thought we can't take anything this show says at face value. Maybe that's just what they hoped. But all the other walking dead spin off show runners are like, okay, Ian and Andrew,

[00:07:47] whatever. But if it was any other show, you'd think, oh, yeah, we're going to see him again, because he went off looking for Rick, you know? So I do sort of think maybe it is Morgan. That'd

[00:08:00] be interesting. Hmm. I would explain my car was like, Oh, Martin came back. Next up, we have Christie. He says Hello, Jason, Lucy, first time writing but long time a listener. You have both been a constant companion in my car as I drive the streets of Toronto, Canada,

[00:08:18] Toronto. I have a theory about that Darryl Carroll call. Carroll sounded guarded and didn't want Darryl to worry about her. What if who came back isn't a who but a what? Could it be that Ezekiel's

[00:08:29] cancer is what's back? Curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks for making me laugh until I cry on a fairly regular basis. Bye. I didn't add that bit in that genuinely came from Christie. So

[00:08:41] yeah, I thank you, Christie. I hope you're wrong because that would be a bummer and I don't want that. No, me neither. Boots to that long live Lori. And yeah, I'd rather much

[00:08:54] rather have ghost Lori back than Ezekiel's cancer. But you could be right. Laura Willie Swink says I was touched by the religious scenes this week and how they were depicted with reverence from Aslan's prayers to Mecca and Laurent praying for Darryl's family to the references to the

[00:09:11] allegories of Abraham. It seems a rare and taboo subject in modern TV shows to cover religion. But I love the idea of the Union despoir as a coalition of multi faiths united for humanity. It made me

[00:09:23] tear up considering the horrific and tragic events of this weekend. Would it really take the near end of humanity to find this kind of unity? I'm really glad you wrote that because Lucy and I don't

[00:09:35] focus on it all that much. And we could use more of that viewpoint. So it's nice to read. I did think, okay, there, they have this coalition of multi faiths, and this unity, except it seems

[00:09:48] like there's no polytheistic religions, because Laura said, it's interesting that there are many different names, but only one God. And I was like, what about Zeus and Athena? But and then also,

[00:10:00] it seems like they at least some of them aren't so happy with atheists, you know, the way they treated Darryl when he first came in was more like we need to convert him rather than accept

[00:10:10] him as he is. That's the vibe I got, at least from that older none. I am. I also thought of Sadiq because I thought, oh, this must be the first time we've seen a Muslim called prayer in

[00:10:21] the Walking Dead universe. But I believe we saw Sadiq pray or reference it when he first meets Carl or in the Alexandria. Yeah, I think you're right. Which is cool. I like that. And we have

[00:10:34] also had depictions of Judaism in Fear of the Walking Dead as well. Not the worst episode, actually. I quite like the rabbi. He just kind of disappeared. But now he just shows up sometimes he'll just be off like among a group of people and he'll wave or something.

[00:10:50] It's just like, hello, I'm here. Hey, I'm here. I get my pay for the for this episode. But I do want to mention Unitarian Universalism is is this kind of unity today? It's a religious movement, free and responsible

[00:11:07] search for truth and meeting. They have no creed but are unified by their shared search for spiritual growth. They don't have an official sacred text, but they draw inspiration and guidance from six sources, personal experience, prophetic utterances, world religions,

[00:11:24] Jewish and Christian teachings, humanist teachings and spiritual teachings. And they congregations Unitarian Universalist congregations include many atheists, even agnostics, deists, theists, even polytheists. They have churches, fellowships, congregations and societies around the world. So

[00:11:45] I've always been curious to go into a Unitarian Universalist congregation and just check out a sermon or something. It sounds really interesting. Our next email is from a Hoover Oh, who says,

[00:11:58] Hi, Jason, Lucy. It's a Hoover here writing in from Israel in the midst of everything going on here. I'm not sure if you have other listeners in the region, but if so, I have them all in my heart

[00:12:07] and hope they stay safe in these trying times. I watched this week's episode in hopes to distract myself from everything that is going on. I'll have to watch again when things are calmer so that I

[00:12:16] can fully process. But it was a great escape and I've been loving the series so far. Thank you for the podcast and for the distraction. P.S. I know the situation here is quite political, so feel free

[00:12:26] to leave this comment off the podcast if you wish. Just wanted to write in. Well, sending all our love and support to you. That sounds like a really difficult situation to be in. I'm thinking

[00:12:38] of you. I can't imagine. I hope you're safe. I feel horrible for everyone involved in this conflict and it's just awful. Yeah. Yeah, very much. Keep it coming. We'd love to hear how you're getting on and you're still out there listening. Absolutely. Thanks. Maria Lawson says,

[00:13:00] This episode left me with a lot of questions. I liked it, but not as much as the other so far because it felt like people were doing things that just didn't make sense. Why would you need to go

[00:13:09] across the ocean to get Walker test subjects? Well, that's a question that has not been answered yet and I hope we do get an answer to that because otherwise you're right. But I feel like there is

[00:13:17] an answer. There should be. Yeah. Most of the Euro walkers we've seen so far seem like our run of the mill American ones. Seems like a lot of effort to go all the way across the Atlantic to pick up a few

[00:13:29] and I'm sure there are plenty much closer. I mean, yeah, of course there's got to be some reason for it. I like that you're thinking about your carbon footprint, Maria, even in the apocalypse. Locally sourced zombies are the most carbon neutral way of sourcing zombies. I personally

[00:13:43] only use locally free range organic zombies in my experiments. So I mean, that's so yeah, you're very progressive when it comes to zombie usage. And I think the zombie apocalypse has actually been a very progressive movement too. It's really good for the environment.

[00:13:58] It's really grass roots. Although they may emit do they emit methane? I don't know. I think it's an ongoing issue. Yeah, we need to look at that. Zombie farts. She goes on what exactly was Darrell's plan when he told the runt who clearly

[00:14:14] from the Eiffel Tower scene cannot manage it all on his own just to get over without him? Was he really going to just let them cut out his eyes? Okay, so someone I saw had posted

[00:14:28] that he well now I forgot what it was that seemed like a good explanation for why he did that. He thought if they just went off together, then they would both be found together, I think. But if he

[00:14:39] could stall them, then it would give Laurent time to get away. And we didn't give him a boat. There wasn't a boat anymore. We didn't give Laurent credit here. He stepped in and saved

[00:14:50] Darrell's eye. So that was that was a good deed by Laurent. And I want to give this kid credit. I was like a little tense at that point. So they could take his eye like an eye patch isn't that

[00:15:01] big of a thing. So I was a bit like, right? Yeah, they could just keep taking like a toe here and there or something. And yeah, a little bit. She goes on neither of these decisions seem like ones

[00:15:14] Darrell would have made. Was that walker on the boat a variant or had he been given whatever it was in that dart shown at the end of the episode? That's a good question. Because we see that

[00:15:24] they're pumping these because it didn't totally occur to me when we saw that one amped up Zed at the end of this last episode, the cliffhanger that that was, I think a version of the one we saw a

[00:15:37] couple episodes ago when Codron went to see Janae and Janae was walking around her area and went to that lab and saw the one that was chained up by two arms to the wall with a scientist there.

[00:15:50] And he was going, and then he broke free and smashed into the glass and then his head exploded. And she said, how long? And he said, 18 seconds. So the idea seemed to be that they pumped him up

[00:16:01] with the same stuff, but he only lasted 18 seconds before his head blew up. And so she said, continue with your research or whatever. So I think that the one at the end means that he figured out how

[00:16:12] to make it last longer. You know, the ones about to attack Darrell. I just love the thought that maybe that's what they're trying to do is get them to get their heads to explode like instantly.

[00:16:22] Or like, oh yeah, we'll invent something that like makes their head explode instantly. I just love that science goes in that direction. His head may explode before Darrell has a chance to chop it off.

[00:16:33] But then that so then it's like, okay, wait, there's variants and then there's also ones that are being injected with this stuff. Are those two different things? Did they come by evolution or is the variant class of zombies like there were in the courtyard at Isabelle's place,

[00:16:54] right? The acid zombies. Did they get ejected by something or did that happen for some totally other reason? And was that related to human activity or not? You know, there's still a lot

[00:17:04] of questions I feel like. I like think it's like skincare. They're like isolating the effect of ingredients and trying to make them more potent. So they're like injecting zombies with different things. I don't know why. I like the theory that is to make their heads explode really quickly.

[00:17:17] I thought you never know to test skincare products on the zombies instead of… No, Jason, I'm cruelty free. But do you see what I mean? Like, I don't know if the acid zombies did that. Did each one of

[00:17:31] those get experimented on or did they develop some other way? I really feel like they need to do like a Bill Nye the science guy episode with us about what is going on with all these zombies. I'm like, I don't know. Like what?

[00:17:42] I just think it's there's mysteries still that she said. Maybe I missed something, but I don't think so. I think we just have yet to… Yeah, no, we don't. It's very vague, very vague.

[00:17:54] And she finishes up. I'm thoroughly confused at the motivation of Janaye and her group too. So hoping you can all help me better understand what's happening. Well, I talked about that a lot on the podcast. So hopefully I mean, basically, though, it's, I think, pretty simple. She sees

[00:18:06] herself as the person to lead the French and she's just seeking power to do it. Yeah, but I think she's going to have some kind of tragic backstory involving a kid. I just have a feeling because of the whole like your heart was broken.

[00:18:23] Yeah. Like what other motivation can a woman possibly have other than children? Yeah, children suck. All right. Let's move on to Steve Brown. All right, here we go. Daryl Dixon, episode five or season one, episode five.

[00:18:44] Oh, this is Steve. Oh, the song just said Dukes of Moher. Isn't that the name of the episode? Mic drop. Oh, we're getting a flashback to how Daryl ended up in France, I guess. Oh,

[00:18:54] how many walkers does Daryl have? I counted six and there's more than that, I think. And she's just supposed to take your word for it, Quinn. I mean, we know that Lawt made it out of the city, but how is she supposed to believe you?

[00:19:06] Ooh, Isabel made a prison shank. This kid is really eager to join anybody's group and that worries me a little bit for him. Oh, Anna's come visiting and she's going to catch Quinn and Izzy together.

[00:19:18] And we know that's not a bad combination or it's not a good combination. Really jealous. Claire, this, this, uh, when Quinn is talking about Abraham, that's the same person that Aslan talked about. Uh, Abram is his name was changed in the Bible from Abram to Abraham. So interesting.

[00:19:37] Ooh, Carol's voice on the radio. Okay, so now Daryl and Laurent are going to have to find the nest all by themselves without Aslan's help. And Laurent, we all want to know why. I don't understand. Why would you cut the boat away?

[00:19:49] Is this, are they just giving us more and more reasons for Daryl to stay in France for season two? Oh, the kid. Oh man. That's so sad. We, I mean, how far had they gone before they lost the boat?

[00:20:03] Because I mean, the guy said it was like 200 miles or what? 124 miles American. And now, uh, Daryl just sent Laurent off on foot by himself. Oh, Quinn, you've been found out that you bribed somebody to let Laurent and Daryl out of the city. Oh, and J'Nai knows.

[00:20:23] Oh, and it was Anna that betrayed him. Quinn just like flip her off with his middle finger pointing at Daryl. I was just thinking I was surprised that no one took his vest. And this guy just takes his vest.

[00:20:34] Dang, we are really seeing the vicious side of Daryl right now. I mean, he just shot that one guy, threw that one guy in the pit and just, he just went through three guys like they were nothing. We finally see a variant.

[00:20:45] One's coming up the stairs fast too. Oh, whatever's in that dart just made that thing a variant that this Hannibal Lecter looking Walker. All right. Next week, the season finale. If they if this show wanted to make me just extremely happy, they would have one of the

[00:21:04] variants just turned to Daryl and go brains. Just do it. All we want is brains. Because you know that, I don't know if you maybe you're a little young to know, but that's people associate that phrase with zombies a lot. Did you know that? Yes.

[00:21:27] But do you know why? I don't know why. Okay. Because in the 80s, there was a movie called Return of the Living Dead and the zombie said that in the movie. They went brains. Right. Okay. I thought it. Okay.

[00:21:41] And the zombie kind of remind the variant at the end, come to think of it, the way it moved kind of reminded me of those zombies in Return of the Living Dead. So now I wish he'd said brains.

[00:21:52] Oh, man, I'm in such a mood to like rewatch some zombie movies right now. Watch that one. Winchery. Yeah, okay. I'll do it. That'll be my homework. Super campy. If I remember. Amazing. Very 80s. Best decade. Jessica Horbelt says, Hi, Jason and Lucy.

[00:22:09] This is the first time I've commented since I changed my name in our Walking Dead downtime. I got married and went from Baker to Horbelt. Congratulations, Jessica. Anywho, this one was a nail biter for me. This series. I was a little late on that.

[00:22:31] This year's seemed a little too slow for my liking, but this episode just packed a punch. I love me some Daryl Dixon, but when he started yelling at Leron, I was thinking, all right, Daryl, your Merle is showing.

[00:22:41] Have we really grasped the whole concept of these boat people? They've been chasing Daryl for a killed brother, but they seemed like they were even chasing him before that. For what? Because he fought someone, then busted out of makeshift jail and made an escape for it.

[00:22:54] That means we have to hunt him and kill him. Yes, I know he later killed the guy's brother, but come on, there's got to be more to this story. I can't wait to hear what you guys think.

[00:23:02] So I think they were sent to investigate what Daryl had done. J'Nai gave them orders to do that, but then they discovered in addition to everything Daryl had done, he'd also killed Kodron's brother, thus making it personal.

[00:23:16] Yeah, I mean, if you watch the end of the first episode, she's there, she's pissed that something happened on the boat. She's interrogating the captain about it. And he tells her that the research has been ruined by Daryl and still it's like, and that

[00:23:36] he escaped and that he's presumed dead, but she's doubtful. So there's no other reason given straight up to find him other than he just really fucked up a major initiative of hers and she wants to make him pay for it.

[00:23:49] So it is a revenge motive, which seems like, I don't know. It's fine. I know it's just kind of, yeah, it's doubling down on that. But now she ended up, I think using him as a focal point, you know, he represents quote

[00:24:06] the enemy and she's trying to rally all these people from around Paris to hate the enemy. So she's for some reason gave him a big axe to fight this zombie in hopes that he won't easily escapeable situation given what she knows about his strength and ability to

[00:24:23] escape things. But I'm sure it will be really tense. I'm sure it will. Maybe he'll lose like maybe he'll fingernail or something. Imagine if he did actually like just die in the first five minutes of next week and we

[00:24:35] were like, well, the show is now the Laurent show. Oh no. All right. Andrea Hatfield Olmsted, otherwise known as Annie says, Hi Jason Lucy, hands down the baddest and most intense episode yet has me blown away.

[00:24:56] It was so awesome hearing Carol's voice and I can't wait to find out who came back. I hope it's Morgan, but it sounded like she said Jadis came back. If it is, they have no idea what they're dealing with.

[00:25:05] And if it was Rick, she would be a lot happier. Would she though? No, I'm just kidding. He did banish her that one time. That's true. Yeah. And then she got to come back because she defeated Terminus and they're like, all right,

[00:25:17] I guess you made up for it. If you kill over 10 cannibals, you get to return. Exactly. This it's written in the bylaws, this dark Darryl we have been introduced to before, so I don't think it's writing. We've seen him act this way before in season one and two.

[00:25:35] I don't know, man. To me, there's a difference between torturing someone to get information and repeatedly stabbing a guy while you tell a story that is bordering on if not completely over the deep end of being psychotic.

[00:25:51] The more I think about it, the more I'm just like, he's a fucking psycho. The French are some crazy mofos and Janay's creepy smile is on point. I didn't see the twist coming in how he got on the French ship and glad he wasn't just

[00:26:05] captured on the side of the road. I love how they surprise us in this show. Me too. This was easy one of my top 10 episodes ever. Thanks for covering. You have the best podcast in the whole infected world. Oh, thanks Andrea. That's really nice. Thank you.

[00:26:20] I have Charlotte Bailey who says, I really like this episode much better than last week. I like that we got some backstory about how Darryl got to France in the first place, but it wasn't the whole episode.

[00:26:30] The group that Darryl fell in with in Maine had a kind of claimers vibe agreed, which gave me ick vibes straight away. And then when that kid came back as a walker, that was horrifying. I thought the part with Laurent and the fish was fantastic. Life's not fair.

[00:26:42] Look at the fish. Classic Darryl Dixon. Oh my God, look at the fish. It's better than look at the flowers. I'd rather look at the fish than the flowers. He said, ask the fish. That's what he said. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Ask the fish.

[00:26:57] I felt so bad when Darryl found out that Laurent cut the rope to the boat. I think that's that decision that the review a couple of weeks back was talking about, where they said Laurent did something that made Darryl mad.

[00:27:07] I think Darryl's reaction was a little too wordy and aggressive to be towards a kid to be in character for Darryl, especially when Darryl should have known exactly why Laurent did it since this entire time Darryl has been saying that they're putting a lot of pressure on Laurent.

[00:27:18] However, I forgave that when Laurent told them why and they had that heartfelt emotional moment and Darryl told him it was going to be okay. Was I the only one hoping for a little more Darryl-Laurent solo time? Yes. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. You might not have been.

[00:27:31] They got caught so fast. I was hoping for more time with the two of them alone. They have an interesting dynamic. Darryl finally mentioned Judith, RJ, Connie, Ezekiel and Carol. Super excited for next week.

[00:27:42] Lastly, I sent in a message on Podcastica.com maybe two months ago, but it was never read out and I just wanted to make sure you guys got it. I will pass to the webmaster because I don't know the answer to that. I already answered her.

[00:27:53] I looked back. I asked her what episode because I looked back and saw that she had written into a couple episodes of the Darryl show, but if it was months ago, it must have been a different show.

[00:28:03] So let me know what show that was and I'll take a look. Yeah, I could have… I enjoyed Darryl and Laurent's… What am I trying to think of? The chemistry between them or whatever. I would like to have seen more of that. I thought we would.

[00:28:21] That's kind of why we were thinking it might be too much like The Last of Us, but I still wouldn't mind them exploring that a little bit more. Yeah, I think so.

[00:28:34] Yeah, that was one of the reasons I think it felt weird that they got pulled back into Paris so quickly. It was like, oh, I thought we'd kind of been building up to this, but we'll see. We'll see. They may still have to split up again. Yeah.

[00:28:46] Jennifer McGinley says, I've just watched the cold open and jumped over to say a fucking record player on a barge. Oh, come on. Oh, is this… I think this is for last week's. No, it was a record player on a barge this week. Oh, there was? Okay.

[00:29:06] Yeah, at the start when they were like listening to the song. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Josephine Baker song. Yeah. Okay. She goes, I've got over 1000 records, big audiophile, but even I could get my priorities in order 12 years into the ZA and travel with necessities only.

[00:29:21] See when Darrell's talking about Laurent being a bit of a woozy and the other guy says he'll be a great leader, then the camera goes to Laurent who seems to be trying to catch flies, totally channeling his inner Humperdoo from Preacher. Made me chuckle. Amazing. Catch flies.

[00:29:40] Darrell's going to take… I believe in Scotland it's a woosie. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. It's all right. Yeah, no, I need that. Darrell's going to take on this young, cleanest, smartest looking guy in Walking Dead land, get him killed and guess what?

[00:29:54] That'll be why he's helping keep Laurent safe. Trey predict. Wait, what's she talking about here? I don't get it. Hang on. Yes, so Darrell took the guy at the claimer site under his wing and then he got killed and that's why he's putting up with Laurent.

[00:30:11] Oh, I see. Got it, got it, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isabel, yeah, yeah. I mean, he also just has shown that he cares about kids, but yeah. Isabel just woke up in the bedroom department of British Home Stores. Oh, my mistake.

[00:30:24] It was a room in the White House. Love it. Don't you even think about stabbing or even touching the beautiful Quinn with that jaggy thing lady. She loves Quinn so much because she likes. Adam the Gaitist. Sexy. Oh, who came back? Sounds like Rick, didn't it?

[00:30:43] But nah, couldn't have been because that's the very first thing Carol would have mentioned on the call. Moving on. Good use of signifying that Darrell's wings had been clipped, but come on, nobody was ever going to covet that manky old waistcoat for themselves.

[00:30:57] And what did the note in the breakfast say? How many times have we seen the party tonight at Cher? Party at Maison Mer. How many times have we seen the gladiator arena now? Not even a jacked up Zedd is cleaning my interest for another scene like that.

[00:31:14] Would have been far more. I mean, I'm going to love it if he just chops his head off and that's it in the first half second, which he totally should. Would have been far more interested in seeing Quinn and Darrell in that cell for longer.

[00:31:26] I bet you would. I bet Jennifer, I can see the fan fiction now. Is Adam Negatus not just the sexiest thing you've ever seen on any TV screen anywhere in the world ever? No, it's Jennifer Connelly. Opinions vary. Josh Hamilton. I'm watching every week.

[00:31:45] I'm even enjoying watching most of it every week, but it's all kinds of silly in it. Darrell's just not Darrell anymore talking too much about stupid non-Darrell stuff. Wearing suspenders and a big sweater like an extra from Tin Tin. Falling for ambushes every episode, swearing like a Navy.

[00:32:04] Kind of sexy though. Navi. Oh, okay. What's that? A guy from the Navy, but we just did Navi. Got it. Caring for strangers and putting himself in jeopardy at the drop of Quinn's smart black Al Capone hat.

[00:32:20] Or Darrell would never have done all this just to get Humperdoo to the nest. The boy is a fucking liability. And why does he sound South African? Can't wait to hear the show. Love you all from Jen XXXXX.

[00:32:34] I want to go for a drink with you, Jennifer, so badly. I just think we'd have such a laugh. He is a liability. He's a fucking liability. He was mentioning, oh, and I saw this in another comment.

[00:32:45] I don't remember if it's in the feedback, but he was talking about how when you go to war, it's your children that suffer. And like, oh, that's very like he's suddenly he's a deep philosopher. Yeah. Could have said that to Rick and Rick before he left.

[00:33:05] But, you know, it's cool. It's cool. Thank you, Jennifer. Just my endorphins are higher now. All right. Here's a call from Colin. Hey, guys. So there's a lot to impact this episode. Fantastic episode. I love the flashbacks.

[00:33:22] I always love those episodes, especially when they're action packed and they reveal a lot about what Darrell went through. Darrell's group in the flashback, the ultimatum of how he basically got to France.

[00:33:34] It reminded me of the claimers from, I think, season four, how they had their own set of and violence being one of them not allowed. Jumping forward, Darrell's little speech to the to Laurent when he's talking about skinning

[00:33:49] a fish or gutting a fish, or it reminds me a lot of how my dad told me how it works. Basically, it came down to kill or be killed, provide or not provide. And it's full of tough choices.

[00:34:04] I mean, sometimes you got to do what you got to do. And I think that's really interesting. And it's cool to hear something from your own life that your father said.

[00:34:17] But I also have to say, it's funny that you said gutting a fish is about kill or be killed. Because the fish, it's like sounds like the fish, you don't kill the fish, it's going to get you. I know that's not what you meant, Colin.

[00:34:31] It'd be a big fish. Maybe it's a really big fish. But here he goes on. And I swear they use real fish. Otherwise, they they use some kind of gelatin model because it seemed like it looked pretty realistic when there was putting it on a spit.

[00:34:46] I really like the cute prayer that Laurent gave after Darrell told him about his friends back home and how he was praying for him. And I love Aslan. I'm sorry to see him go.

[00:34:58] And then another flashback, my dad, another thing about my dad, he taught me to cut wood and follow the grain. And sorry, young man, from the flashback, California is not better. We learned that from Fear the Walking Dead. Yep, it's basically US is ground zero.

[00:35:13] And I couldn't help but feel cringy at the Quinn and Isabelle's kiss. I have it written in my notes. Gross intimacy. Fast Walker was so fucking cool to see. And it seems like they just genetically engineered these things to be killers and not really

[00:35:32] feasters because it took after a redneck main guy. Good point. Just ripped his bowels out and then bit his neck and then turned right to Darrell. That was fucking awesome. Not for the redneck main guy. And I mean, it's all to me.

[00:35:47] It's always been a little bit like, OK, if you if you get bitten by a zombie, then you turn into one. But when do they ever stop biting? So that's always been, you know, like.

[00:35:58] You see a lot of times where there's a group of zombies feasting on a person. But apparently maybe it's just a lot of people get bit and then managed to run away. I don't know. Yeah, he goes on.

[00:36:10] See, just I don't think they really give any fucks anymore about saying fuck. I think I counted four fucks in this episode. So that's a lot of fucks for one fucking great episode. And I have written here last says just kill.

[00:36:26] Oh, that was about I already explained that. Sorry, guys, I'm drunk this time. I wasn't last time. I know that was kind of a bummer for y'all. But yeah, I'm I'm so fucking excited for this next episode. Can't wait to hear your feedback.

[00:36:40] And and I'm excited for season two, even though we haven't even gotten through the first season and fear the Walking Dead starts next week. And Troy's back that little cunt. I like his eye work, though, whatever he had done to it.

[00:36:55] Probably bought some contacts from Vision Care or some shit. I don't know, but I'm going to keep getting drunk. Y'all enjoy yourselves and thanks for covering the pot. Bye y'all. That's awesome. I think that's our first C-Bomb. I've been very careful not I'm. Oh, yeah.

[00:37:12] I love a C-Bomb. I have to say I do love a C-Bomb. In that video that Tufaine sent with French swearing, which was a video I put a link in the show notes last time to it, if you're curious.

[00:37:25] But it was by two English young English couple, super funny. And they were saying how in the US the C-word is one of the most serious. Right. You say that you call someone that it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:37:42] But apparently overseas where you are, it's more like, ah, you can't. You know, it's like not that. It's more, I'd say in. No. Okay, so in Glasgow, not so bad. I found when I lived there, either there are people being really mean to me and I didn't

[00:37:58] realize and just thought they were being nice. Elsewhere in Scotland, probably still better. I would say in England maybe it is quite bad. And there are other bits of the world where it's very bad. Well, these two are English and they were saying this. Yeah, I think.

[00:38:15] Saying, oh, he's a right cunt. You know, they say that a lot. And here it's I think it's lighter, even though maybe it's still kind of bad. Yeah, it's definitely like over here, I would say. Yeah.

[00:38:25] And he was saying here, like if you call someone a motherfucker, oh, that's a motherfucker. That's not so bad. It's still like you don't want to say it to your teacher or something.

[00:38:35] But apparently if you say that in England, it's so it's like the reverse, you know, like yeah, motherfuckers, but worse. But here cunts worse. I am. I just I love swearing. I swear a lot. And yeah, the C word is not with my vocabulary of swearing.

[00:38:54] But I know it's the one word where I'm like, probably shouldn't say this in front of other people because some people really, really hate it. And that's OK. That's all right. I kind of because I know some kids, you know, teachers, kids have listened to our podcast and

[00:39:09] we cuss, but we've cussed more because of the Daryl show, because there are a lot of fucks in the Daryl show. And so I wonder if people are like, we can't listen to your podcast anymore. Let me know. I'm curious.

[00:39:20] I guess you're not listening, so you won't hear me say this. I think we did get one review. We did get one review that was written. It was like, your language isn't very good or something. And I was like, yeah, I was like, you know, fuck you.

[00:39:32] It's like, oh, maybe I am the problem. You're right. If they're watching the Daryl show, they probably stopped watching and stopped listening. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely when I lived in Canada, God bless you, Canada, nobody was ever mean about my

[00:39:48] swearing, but I definitely toned it down a lot. Like I was just like, oh yeah, no, we definitely habitually swear a lot more than other places that I've lived. Swearing is getting more common, like on podcasts like This American Life.

[00:40:04] They swear a lot now and I think they have provide a beeped episode on the side if you want, but if you just go to the main feed, there's a lot more swearing and I just notice it more on podcasts and things.

[00:40:15] And I'm glad because I don't care like when people get so upset just because you said a certain word. I just think it's so ridiculous personally. Your kids swear? They have occasionally and it bothers Jenny more than me.

[00:40:32] So what I usually tell them is if it's me, I don't care. It's fine, but you need to watch what you say at school or around other people because they might get offended and you might get in trouble. That's why I tell them.

[00:40:42] Because if you make it too like exciting, then they're just going to want you to do it. So I'm just like, no, it's fine. And Bodhi doesn't know. So he'll be like, yeah, sometimes when Nico touches me or says a certain thing, then it pisses me off.

[00:41:00] Right, Dad? And I'm like, yeah, but you probably shouldn't put it that way. Why not? Oh, because that's a bad word. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Just say it makes you mad. At the last funeral I did, I did swear in the eulogy, which I don't think everyone liked,

[00:41:16] but a lot of people did. But the reason I did it was because it was something someone had said about the person who had passed away and I thought it was a great quote. And I was like, I'm going to say it.

[00:41:25] There is going to be one swear word and it's going to be this. So just brace yourselves. But it was well pitched. I think everyone liked it because it was just… And that was in Scotland. That was like a funeral.

[00:41:37] So I mean, we're kind of going on about this, but I remember once when I was in marching band and we did these competitions and they were really intense and we did a competition and we didn't win, but I thought we did great and it wasn't fair.

[00:41:50] And we had our big competition the next week. So I started giving a speech to everybody to try to cheer them up. And I remember and all the band boosters who are the parents of the band kids were around

[00:42:01] and hearing me talk and I'm like, we did fucking great out there. And it was just like I had a lot of passion and it really worked. Like everybody was like raring to go for the next week. And I had one of the parents come up to me.

[00:42:12] It was like, good job, dude. That's amazing. That was pretty cool. I'm going to take advantage of the fact Peter doesn't listen to the feedback episodes or indeed the podcast much because he has to listen to me all the time.

[00:42:22] I've just ordered some banners for his birthday and one says, holy shit, you're 40. And the other one says, happy fucking birthday. So that's the tone we're saying. And there were ones available with the C word on them, but I thought there will be a child at this party.

[00:42:35] And although they're only two, I don't know, maybe they can read at that age. It doesn't quite feel right. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I think you hit the right mark. I think so. I think so. All right, fucking Jodi Langridge is next. Yeah, Jodi Langridge.

[00:42:50] I just say Colin, your dad sounds like Ron Swanson. He sounds amazing. Jodi Langridge says, once again with the flashback, I just loved it. We finally see what happened to Darrell and how he ended up on the ship of horrors.

[00:43:02] As soon as that awful beardy dude at the compound in Maine made a deal with that young guy about keeping the fires lit, I knew they would kill him for the fuel. Fresh ones are more valuable, so it was no surprise to me.

[00:43:12] Carol on the radio just tugged at the heartstrings. I miss her. Me too. Of course, keeping us all guessing with someone coming back, it couldn't be Rick, because surely that would be the first bit of news you would scream down the magic telephone. Gave me actual goosebumps though.

[00:43:24] I think it's called a radio. I'm joking. That's a good synonym for it. Yes, the magic telephone or the magic walkie talkies in fear. Back to present day apocalypse in France. If I was Isabel, I would have been pretty tempted to lap up that luxury villa with the

[00:43:42] daily French pastries, that four poster bed. And let's be honest, Adam Nagaitis is pretty easy on the eye. Wow, there's a lot of horn out there for Adam Nagaitis. It's another, it bothers me because he's such a fucking prick, but okay. Whatever.

[00:43:58] He's got great, great head of hair, great beard. We all knew his ex-girlfriend was going to run off and tell tales for a smart guy Quinn dropped the ball on that one. Now, Darryl, not sure what's happening with him losing his shit at the kid, a bit OTT,

[00:44:11] then backpedaling on his reaction. I thought it was a bit dumb they didn't just run when they heard those cars coming. Oh, let's just stand still and hope they don't see us. Duh. I love Jodie's messages.

[00:44:21] Did anyone else get nostalgic when the boat guy got that pocket watch out? Oh man, I sure did. Yes, we didn't mention Herschel's pocket watch and Aslan's pocket watch. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Herschel's pocket watch.

[00:44:32] Surely the tinsy wincy note that was left with Isabel's ex is letting her know her friends are breaking into Ambush Uni and will of course help save Darryl. Sylvie was lining up to get into the celebrations and I'm sure Falou was in the crowd at the end.

[00:44:44] Oh, I didn't spot him. Yeah, I read he was so I didn't see any of them. Lastly, I'm not sure about these peeps injecting the Zeds to make super Zeds. Don't think I like it.

[00:44:54] If it was purely a natural variation I would probably be on board but human intervention, I can hook you up with a great natural zombie supplier, Jodie. What I love most about The Walking Dead is the only anomaly is the virus and everything else was normal.

[00:45:08] It made it almost believable. But I will of course keep watching unless Negan turns up on vacation. And mic drop. Love that Jodie. Love it. Is Adam is Quinn any better than Negan? Probably a little. Yeah, but he's in the same park. Thank you, Jodie.

[00:45:28] Tiffany Taybolt says listening to the podcast and Josephine Baker was also engaged. This is the woman who sang that song that the delay does a more about or whatever it's called. Josephine Baker was also engaged in the resistance and part of French Army during World War Two.

[00:45:44] Her ashes were actually recently transferred to the Pantheon. Where lies French people who contributed to the nation? Oh, wow. She was the first black woman there. Another woman to enter the Pantheon was Simone Whale, who was the name of the school in the second episode.

[00:45:58] She was a Holocaust survivor from Birkenau, French minister who made abortion legal in France. That's two references to strong women who fought back. I believe as well to fade. I might be wrong. I think they walked past Pantheon when they first got Paris. It looked like it.

[00:46:13] Yeah, about that speech at the end, she talks about the sixth Republic French consultants on the show must have weighed on this bit as it resonates a lot with actual French politics. We're currently in the fifth Republic. I like that sounds Star Wars II.

[00:46:28] And the only way to move to a six Republic is to amend the Constitution to change the balance of powers. To simplify extreme right and extreme left in France wants to change the Constitution to give more power, the legislative to the legislative assembly.

[00:46:41] So the people elected through representatives, people, yes, a little bit giving power to the people through election. Oh yeah. Okay. Nominated government and omnipotent president. So more people through election like you just said versus like nominated government and omnipotent president.

[00:47:00] The use of the Marseillais, the flags, the nationalism is more akin to a certain rampant populism at the moment in France, like in other occidental countries. I'm not sure I understood what that had to do with the walkers.

[00:47:14] The pit fight reminded me of the 100 science fiction series where there are loads of them and of the governor and so on. Not very original, but efficient, I guess. Well, we will have to see how it goes before we completely judge it, right?

[00:47:28] We've only seen the beginning, but yeah. And we go back to Asterix, the magic potion that enhanced the Gauls to fight the invaders who try to rule them by giving them super force a bit like the enhanced walker. Oh, that was that. What was the Asterix again?

[00:47:44] It was. It's comic. Comic. After all, our president, Macron once said that French were de garwa refactaire, which means disobedient Gauls. Maybe the whole end scene was illustrate that tendency we have to rebel like the French

[00:48:01] Revolution, but also to collaborate with the dark side like those in France who collaborated with the Nazis. Unfortunately, and they did, they have mentioned Nazis when they went down in the Zemimonde areas and Darrell Quinn was talking to Darrell about how the French use this during World

[00:48:21] War Two, but also the Nazis. And he said he admired the pragmatism of that whole thing or whatever. Anyway, classic Quinn. Unfortunately, fear leads to dangerous territory as next president presidential election could see the far right win.

[00:48:36] Janay's outfit is actually very similar to Gestapo ones with the black trench PS. So the places Janay quote at the beginning of her speech are all in Paris. So not sure she wants to unite the country or just Paris. That's interesting.

[00:48:51] Yeah, I thought it was all around France, but they're all in Paris. Also, defy was patriotic, but not nationalists and all political parties in France, especially from the right are always claiming themselves from de Gaulle lineage to masquerade their populism in patriotism.

[00:49:10] Ah, so to call was patriotic, but not necessarily nationalist in his politics, but they invoke him to this is really interesting. I feel very bad that I don't know more about French politics. They're like, was that supposed to say de Gaulle? But it says, I think so.

[00:49:26] I think it was a typo. Because I read about him. Well, she's saying not but that he was all about French pride and independence. So I think nationalism has a different connotation in a way.

[00:49:43] I remember this came up a lot with the Scottish referendum because the Scottish National Party pitch themselves is very different from the British National Party. So the BNP are quite a right wing kind of racism, quite a very right wing kind of racism.

[00:49:58] Whereas like nationalistic, like Nazis means a certain kind of person versus him, de Gaulle, who was talking about the many different types of cheeses, meaning he has to unite everyone together. Yeah. So I think being patriotic, but not nationalist is actually a really important distinction.

[00:50:14] I think that not all God, this is like one of our more political strengths. We're really touching on religion and nationalism here. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting to me. Oh man. Yeah, it's great. Always love that. Okay. And she calls in about last week's episode too.

[00:50:33] So we'll get to that in a little while. But first, here's a voice we have not heard in a while. Thomas from Arizona. So excited. I love Thomas. Hey, Jason. Hey, Lucy. This is Thomas from AZ. Oh my gosh. It's been forever.

[00:50:51] I have been listening to you guys this whole time. I just have not had the Gaulle to call. But I had a good reason because this last episode really reminded me of something that I'm currently watching.

[00:51:08] Not that there's a lot on TV right now due to the writer strike. So I've gone back in my vault to watch some old school stuff. And I've been watching Dynasty from the 80s. Dough Collins.

[00:51:20] So funny because this episode is almost scene for scene, shot for shot in parts. Just like an episode I just watched in the second season of Dynasty. And if you know anything about Dynasty, it's basically about a man who's wealthy.

[00:51:38] He has a wife and his ex-wife comes into the scene and causes all this ruckus. But the part where Quinn was giving Isabelle that necklace is straight out of an episode from Dynasty. And the characters are very similar too.

[00:52:00] John Forsythe plays Blake and he's this aggressive man who has all this power. And he buys his way out of everything. And he presents his wife that he truly adores this necklace to wear. And this comes after he had sexually abused her.

[00:52:21] And the wife who is played by Linda Evans, she accepts it begrudgingly. And then as she's accepting the necklace, his ex-wife is coming up the stairs. And I was just like, wait a second, this is giving me the same vibes.

[00:52:39] I don't know if the writer dive deep into Dynasty at some point. I mean, it is the catalyst of most of the shows that we watched. I mean, it was one of the most original soap operas. But I thought that was fascinating.

[00:52:54] If any of you people out there are obsessed with Dynasty, you might have seen these similarities too. But I just wanted to call in about that. That's all. Hope you guys are doing well. It's been almost a year since we've seen each other.

[00:53:08] So I think we need to plan a Daryl Dixon get together. We'll go do Francais. That was my best French impression. And you know what? I got to go. I love you guys. Take care. Thomas, that just took me right back to San Francisco. That was amazing.

[00:53:27] I would watch it. I would listen to a Thomas Dynasty podcast. Yeah, do it, Thomas. I used to watch that as a kid. I was so in love with Joan Collins, who's the ex-wife. And I watched Dallas and Dynasty. So that was a trip to hear.

[00:53:42] I had no idea what he was going to say. I don't know if Thomas will wish that I hadn't said this, but I think we're Facebook friends. So I see. I think he's been doing like bodybuilding competitions. He's like totally jacked. What? Yeah. Amazing. All right.

[00:54:00] Shall we move on? Who's up? Who's up? Andrea Abarca says, Hi, Jason and Lucy. This is my second time writing. I was waiting to hear your coverage of Deux Amour. I love your podcast.

[00:54:11] I started listening to it later, the last two seasons of Walking Dead, but I hope to go back and listen to the old episodes eventually. So I'm writing in about this episode. I loved it. First, the flashback seeing Darryl wearing his vest with his crossbow.

[00:54:24] It was just so heartwarming to see him in his familiar surroundings and being his usual badass self. I laughed out loud when you mentioned Jason Bourne when Deux Amour got out of the prison. I've mentioned several times to friends that Darryl has a Jason Bourne, John Wick vibe.

[00:54:37] That scene where he was running over the roofs also reminded me of Jason Bourne. Maybe it is the whole European setting, but I really love it. The fighting. I loved the first Jason Bourne identity. The fighting is so cool and it's sort of distinct to that series.

[00:54:54] Have you ever seen any of those movies? It's also very European. Yeah, I've seen the first one years ago, like 20 or so years ago since the first one came out. I haven't seen more recent ones, but I remember being really impressed with it at the time.

[00:55:06] I'm so excited to hear Carol's voice and I can't wait to see her in season two. As for her sounding strange, I may be the only one who has this opinion, but I felt it was that she missed him. But Carol is not one to say.

[00:55:18] She said it's just been hard getting used to it. Not sure those were the exact words. They have a deep bond and they've been apart, but not for such long periods of time where they didn't know when or if they would see each other again.

[00:55:28] Anyway, that is what I felt. Darryl yelling at Laurent was hard to watch. I understood Darryl because he just wants to get home, but Darryl has a soft heart and it was sweet when he hugged him and apologized. You asked if anyone knew the story of Abraham.

[00:55:42] I did not sure if anyone has answered. Abraham was asked by God to sacrifice his son. Abraham was ready to go through with it in faith, but because he showed his true faith to God, Isaac was spared and gave him an animal to sacrifice instead.

[00:55:56] The guy on the boat, I'm drawing a blank on his name. Aslan. No, Aslan. That's not him. Told the story because it is about having faith possibly. It's also about sacrifice, which I agree with Jason that everyone seems to be trying

[00:56:07] to get Darryl to sacrifice what he wants and I'm glad Darryl sticks to what he wants. He wouldn't be Darryl if he didn't. Anyway, that's the end of my Bible lesson. Can't wait for next week. Thanks for a great podcast. Thank you for clarifying the story, Andrew.

[00:56:20] I really appreciate that. Yeah, that's good. Dina writes, Hello, Jason and Lucy. I'm psyched for your Walking Dead revisit, mainly because I've been watching it nonstop for about a year now. And I started when my best friend called me sobbing.

[00:56:34] She couldn't speak and I was increasingly becoming more and more alarmed when she finally blurted, I just finished the Walking Dead. Darryl and Carol so beautiful. She may have been a little drunk. I'd stopped watching the show when Rick left, so I gave it another shot.

[00:56:51] The governor was just about to lop off Herschel's head when my daughter walked into the room and got hooked. So yeah, I had to start all over. She earned a little ass kicker t shirt and we both walk around the house saying I am

[00:57:06] alpha in a southern accent whenever possible. I am alpha. I'm making my 17 year old son watch it too. He wants to go to film school. I told him it was educational. Mom, the godfather is educational. The Walking Dead is not. He is not a t shirt.

[00:57:22] No, not a list. Yeah, yeah. I remember being a film snob when I was younger too. My HR director is watching too because I demanded it as well as a raise. The latter hasn't occurred. Well, at least you got something. Wait till season nine and 10 that gets better.

[00:57:41] He slacks me to discuss Darryl's leadership style versus Maggie's the inequities of society and all sorts of HR related themes. Amazing. I'm addicted and I want to get a job as Darryl's dog sitter. So yeah, who's doing that now? It's Judith, right? I think. Probably. Pro-Judith.

[00:58:04] So yeah, looking forward to listening to you both revisiting the series and hopefully meeting you in Boston, Jason, if I can brave the traffic and fear groups. Do it. Oh, do it, Dina. Yeah. The episode, the pacing, plotting backstory, nuance of character, humor and suspense, edge

[00:58:19] of seat, nail biting, heart attack, inducing squealing suspense. I haven't been this captivated by show since the fourth quarter of the 2017 Super Bowl. I don't even like sports and only watch the big game for the commercials. And in that case, late Lady Gaga's halftime show.

[00:58:34] But back to our Super Bowl, the original series had a few themes that have intrigued me enough that I'm almost inclined to write a thesis paper. One theme is religion versus faith. Religion versus faith. Another is the use of time and time pieces.

[00:58:48] And the third is generational trauma. This episode had all those themes front and center and still delivered a fast paced, thrilling episode despite the heaviness. Nice. Daryl has such a beautiful emotional arc in the series and clearly breaks the legacy of violence in his family.

[00:59:03] But I mean, he almost continued that legacy, but he stopped himself with Laura. But aside from his grabbing that book on overcoming childhood abuse, we never see him struggle with that yoke that he carries. We saw it tonight. His anger about losing the boat was acceptable.

[00:59:21] The fury and abusive words he unleashed on Laurent was not. He controlled it quickly and took responsibility, but that inherited trauma popped out. Really great writing and equally great that the writers are adding these layers to Daryl's character. Yeah.

[00:59:34] I mean, I think I said it on the podcast, but as much as that was hard to watch and not a good move on Daryl's part, in my opinion, it felt so real. And I like when they have real humanness in the characters, flaws coming out, you know,

[00:59:48] and he corrected it so quickly too. Yeah. Earlier in the episode, when he and Aslan were talking about war, Daryl says that war only affects the children for years and years after. Even Daryl understands that he suffers from generational trauma.

[01:00:03] Side note, the zombie apocalypse is better than any therapist, cheaper too. And Isabel suffering from her own past demons contemplating suicide again, heartbreaking. And Quinn, I am intrigued. I didn't expect to like Laurent so much, but the actor brings a lot of compassion to the

[01:00:20] role and his character is evolving. The kid is fearless in his own way. He faced Daryl's anger stoically and had no reservations about standing up to the Garriers. I could go on and on and on some more about this fabulous episode, but I will control myself.

[01:00:34] One of my favorite moments, the nod to Indiana Jones. Instead of Indy saving his hat, we got Daryl in his vest. I like that. As always, thank you for all you do. Thank you. I have like two thoughts. Well, three. One, Dino, you're amazing.

[01:00:47] Two, Indiana Jones was on my mind when I was thinking, when we were saying if he just chops the zombie's head off, it reminds me of Indy picking up the gun instead of the whip and just shooting people. And also Lady Gaga.

[01:01:00] I was re-watching the video for Judas the other day. We went on it. You know when you're on a YouTube music video dive and you're like, I'm just gonna watch this other music video.

[01:01:07] And I was like, oh yeah, remember that time Norman Reedus was in a Lady Gaga video? So just in case anyone didn't know, Norman Reedus plays Judas in the music video for Judas. And it will be stuck in your head all week.

[01:01:20] But it is quite funny because he's quite early days Daryl with lighter hair and it's a bit shorter. And yeah, he and Sexy Jesus and the Lady Gaga hang out in a hot tub. It's quite something. It's amazing. That's cool. All right, here is Gloria.

[01:01:37] Bonsoir, Lucy and Jason. It's Gloria from Salem Mass. This is for Daryl Dixon, episode five. I did like the back and forth they did with present past timelines. That's always interesting. All Aslan said about the nest is that it's a special place. Come on, man. We need details.

[01:01:58] Very glad we learned how Daryl came to be in France. But still, from where he started on the coastline of Maine to either the North Sea, the English Channel, the Atlantic Ocean or the Mediterranean Sea is a long, long way.

[01:02:12] Let me tell you, Daryl getting that message from Carol was everything. Love hearing her voice. Of course, she sounded wicked weird too. Someone came back. I doubt very much it was Rikki Michonne. I have no idea. But Carol sounded like she did not like that one bit.

[01:02:32] Then he wakes up and finds that Laurent cut that boat so it would float away. Daryl went off on him. I can understand. But when he called him worthless, I thought, Christ, Daryl, don't be like your dad. Oh, my God.

[01:02:49] Talk about going from zero to 100 that pretty fast. Glad he apologized to him, though. Laurent was all teary eyed. I felt bad. Seeing Isabel all dressed up in jewels was really weird. I really wish she had stabbed Quinn with her makeshift ship.

[01:03:09] I did not like seeing her kiss Quinn. No, Anna will not be pleased. And no, she was not. Did you guys notice Sylvie and Emil and Baloo? Did I pronounce that right? In the line when Isabel gets out of the car? Oh, yeah. There they are.

[01:03:28] I knew Janay was up to no good. Nice to see her throwing Quinn in a cell, though. Laurent telling her her heart is broken. Oh, my God. Nice touch, kid. Was he trying to tell her she's heartless? I think so.

[01:03:42] Many people didn't seem to like that at all. What were all the people? I mean, where were they that Janay was speaking to all around the arena thing? Didn't seem like many people at all. The show is Daryl, so we know he's not going to be killed.

[01:04:01] Plus, he's a walker machine. Walker killing machine, right? But the walker was stabbed with some kind of zombie juice or something. What the hell was it? Turns his eyes black and what makes him stronger, faster and more deadly? Well, Janay is definitely on my shit list.

[01:04:20] Take care, guys. Au revoir. Ciao. Au revoir. Au revoir. I love your accent so much. It seems like a dumb plan to make the zombies even more dangerous. Or make their heads explode. Janay doesn't seem to have any trouble with zombies.

[01:04:37] Why does everyone else have so much trouble, but she doesn't? Is it my turn or your turn? Mine. Your turn. Yes. Danielle Demente-Yost says, Are we allowed to admit that the title Daryl Dixon is kind of dumb?

[01:04:56] Everyone is just calling it The Daryl Show, which sounds so cheesy. That's what I thought. What do you think? Is it a good title or should they have come up with something fancier or something? I think something fancier. I don't know.

[01:05:06] I like when they renamed the Maggie and Negan show Dead City. I thought that was cool. Rather than I love the dead. I think they should have called it Daryl Dixon Paris Je T'aime. Three colors, Daryl. Les amours de Daryl. Like Darely instead of Amelie.

[01:05:25] I like Danielle's phrase here. Oh, well, that ship has already left the dock, I guess. Well, life is interfering. I didn't get to watch or send feedback before the deadline last week. So first, a few thoughts on La Dame des Fers.

[01:05:36] I am highly disappointed we haven't seen more variant walkers yet. That was one thing that was super intriguing about this show when we learned it would be set in France. This whole plotline of Janay and Tattoo Guy tracking Daryl down for revenge is so 2012.

[01:05:49] I feel like people would be bored with revenge at this point. Everyone does complicated things and hurts people for a myriad of reasons in this universe. I honestly feel like people would have figured out by this point that revenge rarely works out for anyone.

[01:06:01] I mean, people have not figured that out in all of human existence. So I don't know if the zombie apocalypse would change our general nature. You know what I mean? I mean, I agree with you, Danielle.

[01:06:15] I don't like revenge for the most part, but it doesn't surprise me that it's still an issue even 12 years into the apocalypse. When I heard the story about the pet pig, I honestly thought it sounded like something that might have happened to Merle when Daryl was a kid.

[01:06:28] I wonder if we'll ever know. Regarding Sylvie's kiss and Jason's thoughts on it, I have some thoughts of my own. Religious people are Catholics. Sorry, religious people are Catholics. I misread that. Religious people are Catholics. That's the end. No.

[01:06:42] I'm religious people and Catholics specifically are not all as rigid as you might think. I am not Catholic, but I've lived with it in my greater sphere and I am Christian. In the real world, if a nun reconsiders her vows and doesn't want to be a nun anymore,

[01:06:56] she brings her decision to her superiors and there is a path to follow toward being dispensed from her vows. Not everyone is called to be celibate and humans are known for making mistakes. So it happens plenty.

[01:07:06] In Isabel's case, she chose to be a nun as an adult, but Sylvie was raised in an environment where she didn't see many options. It's like a kid who grows up in the church and decides to leave as an adult or someone

[01:07:16] who was raised by atheists finding the church as an adult happens all the time. Sylvie became a nun because that's what she saw around her and Isabel knows that. It is perfectly reasonable that Sylvie may change her course after some exposure to the world.

[01:07:29] People were blessed and given a great gift to be able to experience joyous, fulfilling relationships with one another and romantic sexual relationships are designed by and intended for us by God. No harm, no foul.

[01:07:40] Sylvie is simply figuring out what she is called to do and it doesn't mean she has lost her faith. CB Yeah, that really was a great explanation, Danielle. That changed my whole thinking on all of that. So thanks for writing in about that. I appreciate it. AM Absolutely.

[01:07:56] Okay, and regarding Daryl torturing that guy. Have we ever actually seen Daryl torture anyone before this? We heard about him torturing Randall and it was implied a few other times, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

[01:08:07] I think Daryl has always done some stuff like this when he felt he had to. Edited to add, okay, Jason posted some videos. This episode was definitely more intense than we've seen before. It doesn't bother me as far as character development goes.

[01:08:20] We'd never seen Rick bite a guy's neck out until we did. CB Yeah, we saw… Yeah, I went and looked up on YouTube and there's Daryl torturing Randall and it's… I watched part of it again and it just made me feel queasy.

[01:08:33] But as I said before, that is a few notches below in my estimation what we saw him do in this series where he's just repeatedly stabbing a guy in the stomach like Michael Myers, you know, psycho killer. DG What can I say? CB That's good.

[01:08:51] DG You have to finish it otherwise it gets to your head. So now for DMRs. This episode kept me completely engaged throughout. We got a lot of things that we wanted, like mentions of people from our group and a backstory for how Daryl got to France.

[01:09:07] The actuality of him floating from the ship to the coast of France is still a bit suspect, but I liked the sequence on the ship and I guess they were nearing their destination when the revolt happened so maybe there wasn't too far to float.

[01:09:18] I loved the angry walker tearing into that guy in the flashback. Very, very cool. The whole bit about them injecting walkers at the end and it having a super soldier serum effect was a bit much, but it certainly raised the stakes.

[01:09:30] By the way, was that our Melissa McBride appearance for this season? I remember hearing she was supposed to appear towards the end of the season. DG I think it probably was, yeah. We'll see next week I guess.

[01:09:39] DG She might jump into the arena and rip the guy's head off. DG You know what she's doing or something. DG Yeah, I wonder if that's how they're going to wear it. Like Terminus style, she just pops up behind the Eiffel Tower like, I'm gonna fuck shit up.

[01:09:56] DG Well, Terminus, didn't she shoot arrows into gas? DG Yeah, she set off some gas cannons. She was like full Rambo. She had mud on her face and very little ponchos so yeah, maybe that'll happen. I enjoyed Daryl teaching Laurent survival skills and I actually appreciated that we

[01:10:15] didn't have to sit through a whole scene of that guy they were with getting overtaken by walkers during the night. We didn't need to see it to understand it and it kept the story moving.

[01:10:23] I felt so bad for both Daryl and Laurent when Daryl was yelling at Laurent. As we all know, hurt people hurt people. Daryl is a gentle soul underneath the gruff man he has been forced to become.

[01:10:34] I'm glad they made amends quickly so Daryl doesn't have that weight on his shoulders. I'm excited for next week. Obviously Daryl makes out of that arena. Je ne sucs. Thanks as always you guys. Oh, that's a great message Danielle. Thank you for writing in.

[01:10:47] Yeah, one thing we didn't address. Let's see the actuality of him floating from the ship to the coast of France is still a bit suspect but I like the sequence. I guess they were nearing their destination when the revolt happened so maybe there wasn't far to float.

[01:11:01] Well in the premiere he said they lost him in the Gulf of Cadiz which is off the coast of Spain and that's hundreds of miles at the least. So I think that's why he was so thirsty. All right, here's Robin. Robin! Bonjour mes amis. Bonjour. Comment allez-vous?

[01:11:23] Je vais bien aujourd'hui. Oh my god what an episode. So wild. So much going on. First of all Daryl, hello. Does the word claimers mean anything to you? I can't believe he was so desperate for gas that he ignored everything.

[01:11:39] That was all the bells that were going off in my mind anyway. I'm sure they were going off in his but I did love the fact that the old guy was like yeah here's five and one of them is fresh and Daryl just comes strolling in with about

[01:11:53] 35 walkers that he captured all by himself and they're like whoa dude. So cool to hear Carol's voice. That was really excellent. Daryl's choices that he made that ended him up on the ship and led to everything that

[01:12:11] happens was a little bit hard for me to, especially at the end it was like now is now and then is then but it was a little hard to see which was which at first. I had to actually watch the episode twice to figure it out.

[01:12:25] And I think that's what I was going to say. I had to actually watch the episode twice to figure it out. And I love Daryl sitting there in the cell looking like he's just sitting there in the

[01:12:38] cell being cool but apparently he was chewing his tongue or the inside of his mouth to the point where he was able to act like he was throwing up blood. Way to go Daryl, really cool.

[01:12:48] There was one thing that really bothered me a little bit that I guess they had to do in order to get the second half of the story going and that was when they arrived at the

[01:13:02] abandoned building with the plastic that they were going to stay in and they introduced this giant string of cans that apparently somebody forgot to hang up. Maybe they were excited about the fish and they forgot about it. And did Laurent set the boat free when he was fishing?

[01:13:24] Then it was interesting to see Daryl totally lose his shit and scream at Laurent. But then I felt kind of like I get it dude that you want to apologize to this poor little dude that's just trying to survive in a world that he doesn't understand and everything

[01:13:36] he knows is gone and stuff but really Laurent, come on man. And I knew as soon as Laurent put that on the screen that he was going to be like, Good point. Blanket in his bag that something was going to happen and sure enough he spilled all of

[01:13:50] his stuff. But it was really an excellent episode, loved Madame Jeunet at the end very much Eva Peron vibes. I expected her to start singing Don't Cry For Me Argentina any second. And I was screaming at Daryl the whole time.

[01:14:04] I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And I was screaming at Daryl the whole time. He was in the stadium and the guys were holding the walker and giving it the serum and waiting

[01:14:22] for it to work and Daryl standing there waiting for the batter to throw the ball and I kept screaming, Daryl kill it, kill it while it's still tied up. But anyway, excellent, excellent. I can't wait for next week. Really, really excited.

[01:14:38] And sorry that it's going to be over so soon because I think it's been a really good, a good program. I'm sure we'll talk soon. Bye y'all. It's all right because we have fear coming out. So that'll be great.

[01:14:52] Yeah, that'd be funny if Daryl just went up and killed it before they even took the thing off. I would be so happy. Thanks, Robin. Okay, we have a few messages and calls about last week's episode that came a little late.

[01:15:06] First one is from Sarah Stratton Heber who says, I did not hate episode four, but I definitely could have done without little Jimmy and definitely, definitely without Isabelle's that boy in the story was you thing, which added insult to injury.

[01:15:22] Mayhaps there was a substitute writer that week, a substitute writer to who Norman Reedus mayhaps banged back in the day. But my abundance of goodwill from the last few weeks definitely, definitely, definitely definitely definitely counteract the stilted cringiness of that one scene. So I shall let it slide.

[01:15:39] Bangs gavel. P.S. I'm confident that Daryl would be a Doors fan. They're one of those unifying bands that lie at the heart of every Venn diagram pertaining to musical preferences of different demographics. P.P.S. I would be delighted if you were to cover the terror.

[01:15:53] It's one of those criminally underwatched seriousness and one which still lingers uncomfortably chillingly in my mind. I think we should do a festive terror because it's snowy in the terror. Yeah, makes it Christmasy. It was how many seasons was it? Just one. It's like Chernobyl. Very similar vibes.

[01:16:13] Yeah, maybe we could do an offseason episode on it. Yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah. I don't know if it'll make you like Adam Nagaitis anymore, but you know, I don't I like him. I think Adam Nagaitis is doing a really good job in this role.

[01:16:25] But I just when people like think someone's going to be a someone's sexy, so they excuse the character. I don't think that's what's going on though. They just think he's sexy, I guess. I don't know. All right. So we have a few calls about last week's episode.

[01:16:41] Here is Tiffany. Yay! Salut les Z! C'est Tiffany de Londres, episode four. La Tour Eiffel, la Dame de Fer. I didn't, I don't know. That was a weird episode. I didn't really like the plot. I think I enjoyed Paris in that episode.

[01:16:59] More than I enjoyed it when I used to live there. Darius says Paris sucks. Yeah, Paris sucks. But especially when you live in it before the apocalypse. I think Paris looks much better when it's gotten rid of all the cars and the tourists and the homeless people everywhere

[01:17:17] and the violence and the dirtiness and I guess all that makes Paris, Paris. But as you guessed, I didn't really enjoy living there that much. A little bit of French linguistic. That guy who is being tortured. Actually, I don't think he's French.

[01:17:37] He's got an accent, quite a strong accent. Not French. I'm not sure English accent, I would say maybe more Nordic or German or something. I don't know. Or maybe from Central Europe. But some things he was saying in French didn't add up. Like he was saying la Issa

[01:17:53] to say la Issa because Isabel, obviously the short for Isabel would be Issa not Issa. Because an S between two vowels in French would always be a Z sound like zombie. And there's also one thing he says in French, he said Putain de petite voleuse

[01:18:09] and it was translated on the subtitle in English in Thieving Little Whore and actually that is not what it means because putain de petite voleuse means fucking little thief. What else can I say about the French? Oh, actually Croque Monsieur I love that bit.

[01:18:25] Actually the sweets that Laurent is opening it's called a Carambar which is a very French sweet. If you go to France you can buy some. I buy some every year and bring it back here. It's like toffee sweets that you can unwrap and in each sweet there is

[01:18:43] a joke or a trivia or a question. It's a very old sweet. I've had them when I was little. Kids love opening and reading the joke. So the joke was what's the vampire favourite meal? And I say Croque Monsieur and actually croque in French means bite

[01:19:03] and croque means to bite and it comes from the word cro which is a synonym for teeth but mainly used for animals, for dogs or you can use it for vampires I guess. And actually cro means that j'ai l'ecreux means I'm hungry so Croque Monsieur is actually

[01:19:21] bite man. Something else that was quite funny. Also they were talking about the Calvados like you said it's an apple spirit but it's quite very strong and it's actually drank traditionally when you have a big meal you can have it in the middle of a meal

[01:19:37] like in between lots of courses so you can have three or four courses and then before dessert you would have a Trou Normand which is a little bit of Calvados with a little bit of apple sorbet in the glass and that is supposed to rinse

[01:19:49] your stomach so you can keep eating Calvados is really good to kill germs because it's really strong a bit like a hot toddy. And that's it for French cooking and French gastronomy and that's all I had to say I think this time. I'm still

[01:20:05] enjoying it. Obviously for me it's quite nice because I've got all the bits in French I don't have to really pay attention to which is nice I can listen to the episode. I don't have to have the subtitles all the time which is nice

[01:20:15] and I really like the podcast guys love it. It's really nice to listen to you. I love when you speak French it's just awesome see you next time. Talk to you next time. Can't wait for the feedback if there's any feedback or can't wait for

[01:20:33] the next episode. Au revoir Jason et Lucie Au revoir. Merci beaucoup A bientot Oh I love that I feel like I'm learning a lot I like that. I like learning things Absolutely Alright here is Lara Hi Jason and Lucie this is Lara. I had some feedback

[01:20:55] for this week's episode but after listening to the podcast I think I had some more interesting thoughts so I'm going to just agree with you guys though that the Darryl monologuing during his torture scene was just not in character felt off also

[01:21:13] I didn't care for Izzy not saying anything to him because I thought she was of the mind that you were that you showed mercy to your enemies like the Mother Superior at the Abbey it just felt a little off for both of the characters I agree

[01:21:31] What I did like though was the discussion of the psychology between Quinn and Isabelle Here's the sense that I got from Quinn this is just my theory so maybe take it with a grain of salt to me he feels like this Paris crime lord in the apocalypse

[01:21:49] and like Janais said he's a connoisseur so he likes the best whiskey the best champagne. He owns this elegant nightclub and famous works of art. He seems to me to be a person who wants to possess things and I feel like for Izzy he was some sort of

[01:22:07] small time crime boss and I like that the thought that Isabelle was probably his star pupil whom he had this relationship with and she's obviously smart and beautiful so I think he kind of sees her and Laurent as his possessions so I don't think that he

[01:22:29] really cares or even knows about the resentment that Isabelle would have for him trying to keep her as this person against her will yeah he just has the markings of a classic narcissist. It's all about what he wants and what he wants to possess

[01:22:51] Jason I also liked your discussion I agree with everything you said. I think he does have some understanding that she doesn't want to be there he knows that he's going to have to well he thinks that he can change that because that's what narcissists

[01:23:09] think. That they can win everyone over that they can win in the end but he does understand that she's reluctant he just doesn't understand the depth of her hatred for him I don't think and her motivations for capturing Laurent and it made me think of another

[01:23:25] famous French religious figure in 1429 Joan of Arc who is the patron saint of France used her faith to become a religious symbol of victory to the French when she conquered the city of Orleans and brought it back into French hands. She rose up to defeat the English

[01:23:45] ending the occupation of France by the English and the 100 years war but unfortunately for Joan she was captured by the Burgundians who were allied with the British and eventually gave her to England who put her through this brutal and obviously rigged trial and finally burned her

[01:24:05] at the stake as a witch and a heretic but basically they were trying to disrepute her and discourage the faith of the French who had risen up against them which didn't seem to work because it only spurred them to fight harder and eventually drive the English

[01:24:23] out of France I hope this isn't going to be the fate of Laurent but I found it an interesting parallel and maybe something that's kicking around in Jeanne's mind you got to tamp down that hope that he inspires before it creates a revolution

[01:24:41] and you know the French and how they love their revolutions. Just my thoughts, really enjoyed the podcast I thought you guys had some really good and interesting ideas about an episode that was just you know sort of middle of the road not the greatest not the worst

[01:24:57] but really interesting discussion have a good week, bye Yay Laura Yeah she hadn't seen this week's episode yet when she did it because it seemed like yeah they were going to like kill him to tamp down the hope but Jeanne did something clever instead and tried to

[01:25:17] use him as the central figure of Union de l'Espoir to make them side with her instead right? If he showed his support for her maybe they would too but she mentioned Joan of Arc there was outside of De Gaulle Day I think there was something going on

[01:25:39] either people just there for De Gaulle Day or maybe protests I don't know someone was dressed like Joan of Arc and Quinn had some comment about Joan didn't know the world would go to the Hungry's or the Munchers or something like that Yeah she was wasn't she?

[01:25:53] Yeah so anyway Alright one more call that's from Jennifer McGinley I don't think she's ever called in before so Jennifer she's got to say So after watching episode 4 the only thing on my mind is that fight between Quinn and Daryl of Rebounder I've watched it 5000 Brazilian times

[01:26:19] it has done wonders for me as a 52 year old menopausal woman I cannae tell you it was just oh my god my closures fell off watching it I love Adam the Gators and I love Daryl and they were fighting and it was so sexy

[01:26:43] Shut up I don't get it much Oh Jennifer I wonder if Adam the Gators does cameo Yeah god alright I'm going to shut up about Adam the Gators that was just too good I'll let you have him Alright that is our show episode 545 thank you so much

[01:27:14] for listening everyone to le monde next episode is The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon season finale season 1 episode 6 called Coming Home which means coming home I think they pronounce it coming home which means I mean so the only title that's in English and does that

[01:27:40] is that a fake out cause he's not going to come home there's a season 2 right won't it still be in Europe I kind of like the idea that every season is in a different place but I don't know

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