568: "Gone" Listener Feedback

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[00:00:23] Welcome...

[00:00:33] to the Castlevance, a podcast dedicated to the show. The Walking Dead.

[00:00:36] He's that head's welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:39] I'm Jason.

[00:00:40] And I'm Penny.

[00:00:42] And I'm Kara.

[00:00:43] And we're going to go through your feedback for the walking dead the ones who live

[00:00:47] Season one episode two gone Lucy's gone

[00:00:52] But not forgotten Lucy not forgotten and not for good

[00:00:56] She's just traveling and we had it so much feedback. So I'm really happy to have Penny and Kara here to fill in welcome guys

[00:01:03] Thank you Yeah, so psyched to be here and talk about this.

[00:01:07] Yeah, me too. You guys are long time walking dead fans forever and ever, but also been

[00:01:14] killing it on still slaying a Buffyverse podcast or Buffy podcast, which we'll talk about

[00:01:20] a little bit more at the end, but just wanted to mention that right off the top.

[00:01:24] Thank you.

[00:01:25] Oh yeah, it's been so fun.

[00:01:27] We throw out walking dead references quite frequently too.

[00:01:31] Do they align?

[00:01:33] Sometimes.

[00:01:34] And there are some actors who cross over.

[00:01:37] So that's fun.

[00:01:38] Like who?

[00:01:40] Michael Cuddles.

[00:01:41] He's on everything.

[00:01:43] Yeah, he really is.

[00:01:44] He's great. He's like slither now. He's everything. Yeah. He really is.

[00:01:46] He's great. He's like slipper now.

[00:01:47] He plays a zombie.

[00:01:48] So it's actually perfect.

[00:01:50] Early Cuddless, right?

[00:01:52] Yeah.

[00:01:52] Yes.

[00:01:53] Very nice.

[00:01:54] 902 and oh, that's the first thing I ever saw.

[00:01:56] Yeah.

[00:01:56] He was Brenda's prom date.

[00:01:58] Still babyface Cuddless.

[00:02:00] Yeah, for sure.

[00:02:01] He kind of is now when he shapes his beard.

[00:02:03] It's like, get that beard back, dude. So what's been your guys reaction to the ones who

[00:02:09] live? I didn't love the first episode until after I listened to the podcast and

[00:02:16] watched it again. And I think it just annoyed me too much at first where I was

[00:02:21] like, what year is it? Where are we? Wait, is he inside the city or outside?

[00:02:25] Like all of the jumping around.

[00:02:26] All the details that you have to figure out.

[00:02:28] Like just, yeah, it was just annoying.

[00:02:30] And I felt like it wasn't clear.

[00:02:32] And there was a lot of, you know, world building.

[00:02:34] But the second episode I really liked,

[00:02:38] and I'm hoping that the first episode was just clunky

[00:02:41] because it had to be for, you know, catching us up reasons

[00:02:44] and that it would be smooth sailing from here on out.

[00:02:46] Was there at least a part of you that was like, it's regrines.

[00:02:49] Oh yeah, definitely that.

[00:02:51] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:52] See, I was almost the opposite.

[00:02:54] I loved the first episode and was immediately amped.

[00:02:58] And I was just like, especially when Rick immediately cut his hand off.

[00:03:03] Yeah.

[00:03:04] I was just like, oh, okay. This is where we're going.

[00:03:06] And then the second episode, oh, yeah, the second episode, it took me a while to, you know, get into

[00:03:13] it. It felt a little slower. But when I watched it, you know, through the second time and listened

[00:03:18] to the podcast, I think I appreciated it more. I felt like a bad person because when the chlorine bombs came I was like oh it's getting

[00:03:25] good. Seriously though. It was like oh some action. It reminded me of was it anybody that watched the

[00:03:32] newsroom that whole sarin gas plot line was the very first. It reminded me of Aaron Sorkin.

[00:03:40] Handmaid's Tale last season when oh yeah they got bombed in the streets and it was just a similar shot and the plane came from the same direction and everything and I was like oh yeah I'm with June.

[00:03:54] Yeah.

[00:03:55] I wish to get into the feedback soon but just the whole like penny what you're saying about having to remember and figure out details and stuff.

[00:04:05] I mean, this really, the CRM story has been going on for years now, you know?

[00:04:09] And I think it helps me to have podcasts and all of that.

[00:04:14] But still, I've forgotten a lot of the details.

[00:04:18] So I had to kind of go back and look stuff up.

[00:04:20] But it's also kind of cool that they're carrying forward this story over a year's long arc.

[00:04:25] There's something kind of cool about that, I think.

[00:04:26] But yeah, then when people who maybe weren't following that closely just

[00:04:30] tune in to see Rick, it's like, oh, wait, I got to figure all this stuff out again.

[00:04:34] Yeah.

[00:04:34] What helped me was your recommendation to go back and give world beyond another shot.

[00:04:40] Yeah.

[00:04:41] That shed, you know, some light and some context on CRM.

[00:04:46] Yes.

[00:04:47] Oh, yeah.

[00:04:48] And I enjoyed season two.

[00:04:49] So, yeah.

[00:04:50] Season two was very entertaining.

[00:04:51] And this show has a similar vibe in my opinion, not the same, but it's all the CRM stuff.

[00:04:57] Well, it's satisfying the desire to see more of the country and the after effects of the

[00:05:03] apocalypse.

[00:05:04] Like, I love that.

[00:05:05] Yeah, I'm a little tired of Georgia. So it's nice to be in a completely different place.

[00:05:10] And also, John Locke showed up. It was fun. Absolutely. Terry Gwen. Me too. She's so good.

[00:05:19] All right. Well, let's get into some listener feedback.

[00:05:22] Let's get into some listener feedback.

[00:05:32] Michael Costka says, I have to admit, they got me tears.

[00:05:36] I assume he means that Michonne and Rick being back together and then there's a little cry face emoji and a little heart eyes emoji.

[00:05:39] That makes me think it's the smooches.

[00:05:41] Oh, yeah.

[00:05:43] I mean, it could also be Nat dying.

[00:05:47] Yeah, that I felt.

[00:05:50] I gasped out loud and my mouth hung open for like a while.

[00:05:55] Because I don't know why I didn't expect

[00:05:59] that they were going to kill him.

[00:06:00] He was such a good character.

[00:06:02] Same with Okfor.

[00:06:03] When they killed Okfor, I was like, whoa.

[00:06:05] Yes, but he knows.

[00:06:07] It's kind of why I didn't expect it

[00:06:08] because they killed Okafor and then they killed Aiden

[00:06:12] and then they killed Bailey.

[00:06:13] And I'm like, well, they're not gonna kill this

[00:06:15] totally awesome new character too

[00:06:17] and they just killed three other new characters,

[00:06:18] but I'm like, oh, I guess there's a pattern here.

[00:06:21] Yeah, I'm assuming like most of these new characters

[00:06:24] aren't gonna survive, but I thought at least once. Yeah, at least for another episode or two. I would prefer Nat

[00:06:32] staying around to what's her name, Thorn. I don't like Thorn. Agreed. Yeah. Me too. But I don't

[00:06:39] need to like all the characters, but I want to see more, Matt, for sure. I mean, Nat. Yeah.

[00:06:43] characters, but I want to see more Matt for sure. I mean, Nat. Yeah.

[00:06:44] All right.

[00:06:45] Okay. Happy Jack said, Fongus, anyone? This story gave me the last of us vibes.

[00:06:52] It did me too, mostly because of characters that we meet and fall in love with and they

[00:06:58] die. But also, the music sounded similar, just like spare guitar plucking.

[00:07:05] It was kind of.

[00:07:06] Maybe that's what it was.

[00:07:07] I couldn't point to what was making me feel.

[00:07:11] Well, also the, you know, the city and how it's guarded and has all these, you know, safe

[00:07:18] guards, that's very the first couple episodes of Last of Us.

[00:07:21] And the civilization is more advanced in the last of us than it has been

[00:07:26] throughout most of the Walking Dead until towards the end.

[00:07:29] Yeah.

[00:07:30] So yeah.

[00:07:31] Okay.

[00:07:32] Uh, Dabalinobab, Grippy says best reunion since Rick found Lori and a him

[00:07:36] Carl.

[00:07:39] Yeah.

[00:07:40] It's true.

[00:07:41] It's a much better reunion than Carol and Sophia.

[00:07:44] Yeah.

[00:07:44] Oh, so that's.

[00:07:46] Yeah, that one had a little different flavor to it for some reason.

[00:07:49] That's just a smidge.

[00:07:50] Dark.

[00:07:52] Tish Matil says, no, I thought he was going to stay on the cast.

[00:07:57] They got me.

[00:07:59] Yeah, they got us all.

[00:08:01] Sad.

[00:08:02] Evan Simpson said, not sure if you'll cover cover off on this, but during the intro, they

[00:08:09] show a map on the map in Texas.

[00:08:12] You see a nuclear waste sign.

[00:08:14] Is this a reference to fear the walking dead?

[00:08:17] I hope so because that would be nice.

[00:08:20] I want to I like when they have continuity like that, even if it's with a show like that.

[00:08:25] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:08:26] You're walking.

[00:08:27] That's cool.

[00:08:29] All right, Michael Casca says,

[00:08:32] we're the writers force to play and or watch The Last of Us.

[00:08:37] This is way better riding and pacing than normal.

[00:08:40] They made me care more for the characters

[00:08:43] for the first time in a long

[00:08:45] time. Well, that's good. Yeah.

[00:08:47] Yeah. That is good. Barbie Allen. Hi, Barbie says, is Michonne's map marking

[00:08:53] Alexandria still on Nate? When Rick asks the drone, she only mentions a

[00:08:58] journal, radio, the phone and Rick's boots. This could be a potential snag in

[00:09:02] their plans. That's a really good point.

[00:09:05] And I do like a mat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:08] Yeah. Yeah. She gave him.

[00:09:10] Did she give him the map because she wanted him to go there?

[00:09:13] Yeah.

[00:09:14] I think so. So that seems like a clear thing that's going to come out to bite him.

[00:09:19] There were a bunch of things in this episode that I was like, oh shit.

[00:09:23] This is going to be interesting.

[00:09:25] Yeah. Like what? What's one? Well, Jadis coming back at the end, I was like, Oh, no,

[00:09:32] I couldn't just be a happy reunion. Of course not. You and Lucy kind of, you know, touched

[00:09:38] on it, but they dug them into this hole. I'm like, how the hell are they going to get

[00:09:44] out of this? I mean, how the hell are they going to get out of this without,

[00:09:46] you know, a ton of carnage.

[00:09:48] Don't want that.

[00:09:49] Would you rather?

[00:09:50] I do.

[00:09:51] It was just like, oh, look, the show came and then just took Rick home and then they

[00:09:55] like had a nice time.

[00:09:57] And that was, I would, I would utterly hate that.

[00:09:59] That would be horrible.

[00:10:00] This show needs to stress me out.

[00:10:02] Okay.

[00:10:03] There we go.

[00:10:04] Yeah. Okay, next up,

[00:10:07] let's see, Ryan, is it whole of X? Sure. And my thoughts are, sure. Sorry, Ryan, I have a hard

[00:10:14] to pronounce last name too. So I feel you. My thoughts are mainly for the end result. I'm worried

[00:10:19] about how it can wrap up like maybe that, Oh, like maybe they're digging too big of a hole in the sense of realistically being able

[00:10:27] to escape the positions therein. Yeah, I do wonder about that. I, you know, well, I

[00:10:33] Rick threw that plan together in moments. So it's about the only kind of split second to

[00:10:39] really think through it. But I, you know, Scott Gimple has given us some of the best walking dead moments along

[00:10:48] with some of the worst.

[00:10:51] So I'm going to hope that going forward, we get some of the best.

[00:10:55] Yeah, it's good.

[00:10:56] You know, I also, you know, honestly, and I think I've kind of hinted at this or said

[00:11:03] as much, but I think the CRM

[00:11:05] in some ways is kind of ridiculous that there would be this huge organization that would

[00:11:09] be so that could try to keep a whole city secret and that would kill anyone who finds

[00:11:16] out.

[00:11:17] So I have to suspend my disbelief to accept all of that.

[00:11:22] And I am because I want to enjoy the series, you know? And so, but it kind of puts it in a different place for me

[00:11:29] than Walking Dead when it started out,

[00:11:30] which I felt was pretty grounded except for the zombies.

[00:11:33] Now it feels a bit far out, you know, with this organization.

[00:11:36] I don't know if I believe that this would actually happen

[00:11:39] in the real world, probably not quite like this, you know?

[00:11:42] If that makes any sense.

[00:11:43] That's true.

[00:11:44] Yeah. Megan O'Connell said, just wanted to let you know I'm into the spoilers. I was one who

[00:11:50] dropped the world beyond because it seemed CW slash WB and I hear you say season two

[00:11:56] is so much better but I haven't got around to it yet so I love the spoilers. It is.

[00:12:00] Yeah, you're going to hear that. Anybody who's watched it will tell you that. I haven't heard

[00:12:04] anyone yet. I imagine there are some but who'vebody who's watched it will tell you that. I haven't heard anyone yet.

[00:12:05] I imagine there are some, but who've went ahead and watched it and be like, no,

[00:12:09] I didn't like it. They always say, Oh yeah, you were right.

[00:12:11] So I recommend it if you're digging, especially if you're digging the ones who

[00:12:15] live, you should watch it. But thank you for saying that.

[00:12:18] We just had a talk among our hosts today about how we handle spoilers and when

[00:12:22] there's like source material or another spinoff that listeners might not have seen you know or you know with

[00:12:28] Walking Dead the comic or whatever or if we cover a show that already aired and

[00:12:33] we go back and cover it. What we tend to try to do is have the spoiler segment

[00:12:36] at the end so we can satisfy people like you who like to hear it who want to hear

[00:12:39] it but then we don't ruin it for somebody who just doesn't want to hear it and

[00:12:43] doesn't want to find out something outside of just watching it on the show.

[00:12:48] Sure.

[00:12:48] So yeah.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:49] That is always much appreciated on Padcastica.

[00:12:52] I know I'm safe listening and won't get spoiled.

[00:12:58] Daphne, our friend Daphne Beckman says, I really liked Aiden Bailey and especially Nat, frowny face.

[00:13:04] I was hoping at least Nat would make it through more of the story

[00:13:07] weren't we all

[00:13:09] He was such a fun character and his cart of magical weapons added some future attack potential. Oh, yeah

[00:13:16] Hashtag fuck J.T.S

[00:13:21] Yeah, I'm good sounds about right

[00:13:24] Danielle demand Yeah, that sounds about right. Danielle Dement just said.

[00:13:27] She just told me.

[00:13:28] She just told me, I don't know if Daniel you've ever told me this before.

[00:13:31] Maybe you haven't. I forgot.

[00:13:32] But I was really thankful on Patreon the other day.

[00:13:35] She said, here's how you pronounce my name.

[00:13:36] It rhymes with toast.

[00:13:38] You can say the day like a regular day or like a why.

[00:13:40] I don't carry either way.

[00:13:42] Nice.

[00:13:43] Danielle Dement just said their reunion was amazing.

[00:13:48] Michonne didn't really have a choice and she trusted Rick, but he may have really

[00:13:53] messed things up for her and the kids, getting both of them out alive and getting

[00:13:58] them home without significant loss seems impossible.

[00:14:01] That is something that threw me off for a good five minutes.

[00:14:05] I was like, why isn't Michonne mentioning RJ? And then I was like, oh yeah, Rick doesn't know about RJ.

[00:14:11] I completely forgot about that. Yeah. So we're doing a live reaction show after each episode on

[00:14:20] our YouTube channel. And I think Danielle was there and she was saying she doesn't think Michonne totally trusted Rick, I thought. And maybe that's why she didn't mention RJ until

[00:14:33] she gets a better lay of the situation. And I was thinking, does that mean she thinks Rick

[00:14:38] is deceiving her? Or maybe she just wants to know where his head is at first. You know? Also, they were in a very high pressure situation right then.

[00:14:48] And that's like a big topic.

[00:14:51] Like you have a whole other kid.

[00:14:53] Maybe she wanted to even just wait a minute.

[00:14:56] You know, that's what she said.

[00:14:57] Like there's too much.

[00:14:58] Yeah.

[00:14:59] Yeah.

[00:15:00] Like she couldn't tell him the whole whisper or war and everything.

[00:15:03] So.

[00:15:09] She's like, I found my cat, my ceramic cat. She's like telling them all the details.

[00:15:10] And he's like, we gotta go, we gotta go.

[00:15:14] Ryan Shields says in the scene where the chopper drops gas bombs on the caravan,

[00:15:19] it makes sense why they were too close to the base.

[00:15:23] So the CRM tried to neutralize the threat

[00:15:25] immediately. Side note, Nat was amazing. In one episode, I felt like I knew him for seasons.

[00:15:30] I know how amazing actor. So, okay, so Ryan saying he thinks the CRM dropped the gas just

[00:15:36] because the people were too close to the base in danger of discovering it. And that's how they

[00:15:41] get rid of, they keep it a secret. If anybody gets close, they just gas them.

[00:15:46] Was that how they justified it?

[00:15:49] I thought that was referenced.

[00:15:52] I don't think they, I don't think we know why

[00:15:54] for sure why we did that.

[00:15:56] Maybe I just made an assumption

[00:15:58] and rationalized it as I was watching it

[00:16:00] because that's the only thing I could figure.

[00:16:04] Yeah.

[00:16:05] It must have been too close to a base.

[00:16:06] I hadn't even thought about that, but I think it's definitely

[00:16:08] possible.

[00:16:09] All right, let's do a call.

[00:16:11] Here's Jeff Sharp.

[00:16:13] Good day, Jason and Lucy, Jeff from Australia.

[00:16:16] Yes.

[00:16:17] Have been in contact for a while.

[00:16:18] I think the last time was when Jason reached out after Lucy was

[00:16:21] a bit down and I sent a message with support.

[00:16:24] So I'm hoping

[00:16:25] all is good in Lucy's world again because we love you. First off generally I think after

[00:16:30] 11 years of all of us being super loyal the Walking Dead fans we deserve a proper closure

[00:16:36] to Rick's journey not some open-ended never-ending extension of a franchise with no end in sight. Mr. Gimpur, AMC or whoever,

[00:16:46] give us a glorious final ending episode

[00:16:49] that we deserve and Rick deserves.

[00:16:51] And then we can all look back years later

[00:16:53] and say how brilliant it was, and it was a perfect ending,

[00:16:56] but I guess the odds of that happening are pretty long.

[00:16:59] Secondly, the suspension of disbelief,

[00:17:02] or my suspension of disbelief is waning and it's

[00:17:05] starting to affect my enjoyment.

[00:17:07] Example with the helicopter crash with the CRM soldiers all dead or dying.

[00:17:13] One soldier is pretty much dead yet after three hours of Rick Machone playing tongue

[00:17:17] hockey he suddenly gets up.

[00:17:20] See two big targets and one little target and you guessed it perfect shot on the little target who knew

[00:17:27] Anyway, also find the boy girl thing a big contrived re-recommission

[00:17:33] Boy and girl gets separated for five years, but boy and girl finally meet up

[00:17:38] Boy and girl kiss but wait

[00:17:40] Boy and girl gets separated well sort of the boy and girl want to leave together

[00:17:44] But boy and girl can't because of a family threat.

[00:17:48] What do Boy and girl do now?

[00:17:50] Intrace is pretty easy.

[00:17:52] Look don't get me wrong, I still absolutely love the Walking Dead.

[00:17:56] And I'm still super pumped just to see Rick again.

[00:17:58] I just hope the next four episodes brings it home properly for all of us.

[00:18:02] Also quick question for Jason Lucy. How hard is it

[00:18:06] for you guys to just sit back and actually enjoy a new episode without subconsciously

[00:18:11] over analyzing it? I promise not to be a stranger. Lots of love, Jeff.

[00:18:19] About wrapping up, you had a lot there, Jeff, that was good. About wrapping up Rick's story.

[00:18:24] I think I read it was either Gimple or somebody from AMC is still saying,

[00:18:28] oh yeah, this Walking Dead franchise can go on forever.

[00:18:30] I'm kind of surprised that they're still saying that,

[00:18:33] but they're still thinking of it that way, I think.

[00:18:36] But that doesn't mean Rick's story goes on forever.

[00:18:38] Yeah, Gimple has also said he would love to tie things back together at some point with the care, you know,

[00:18:46] get like Maggie and Daryl and Michonne and Rick.

[00:18:50] I think he said Rick together in the same story, but I don't think he was, you know, giving away

[00:18:55] any spoilers that none of those people die.

[00:18:57] It was just sort of fanciful talk, but he does have that in his head to get whoever's left

[00:19:02] together if that could ever be possible.

[00:19:05] So to me, just the fact that he's thinking about that makes me wonder if yeah, this series

[00:19:10] will provide a satisfying end for Rick's story.

[00:19:13] I could see either Rick ending up in some kind of a peaceful place, like maybe back at the

[00:19:17] Commonwealth or something or dying in the series.

[00:19:21] I get hope for it from the interviews I've seen with Denai Gurira, who's keeps saying,

[00:19:29] we wanted to finish the story.

[00:19:31] Yeah, that's right.

[00:19:32] Like she specifically keeps saying that, that makes me think that...

[00:19:35] Makes me scared.

[00:19:36] They're gonna finish it and that it's gonna be something that is satisfying because she's

[00:19:42] involved in the writing and production. I mean, the scary part is that everyone knows Deny Guerira hates Rick,

[00:19:49] so and she's a writer on this show. No, I'm just kidding.

[00:19:54] Watch out. But it's nice to know that they were

[00:19:57] enthused about the project coming back. Like, that gives me hope for how it'll turn out.

[00:20:04] I feel like it comes across and fear the

[00:20:07] walking dead when maybe the actors are no longer promoting it so much.

[00:20:11] Yeah, they're characters. I mean, yeah, I guess so. I mean, Sydney Sweeney was talking up Madam Webb.

[00:20:23] She ragged on it on Saturday Night Live.

[00:20:26] Yeah.

[00:20:27] Now that it's like clearly a big flop there, even Dakota Fanning.

[00:20:31] Was that a name Dakota Fanning?

[00:20:32] She was saying, yeah.

[00:20:33] Or Dakota Johnson.

[00:20:34] It's called Johnson.

[00:20:35] Yeah.

[00:20:36] She's like, probably never do anything like that again or something.

[00:20:39] What else?

[00:20:41] Let's see.

[00:20:42] Oh, how do you, can you enjoy an episode? What? Let's see. Oh, how do you can you enjoy an episode?

[00:20:46] What? Yeah. Yeah. Or do you?

[00:20:48] I want it too much.

[00:20:50] I try to limit.

[00:20:53] I watch it at least twice, usually twice.

[00:20:55] And on first watch, I try not to pause or take too many notes

[00:20:59] because I want to just try to enjoy it as a fan.

[00:21:02] But if there's something that I'm like,

[00:21:05] oh, that's good.

[00:21:06] And I might forget it if I don't write it down,

[00:21:08] then I'll write it down.

[00:21:10] But it's as minimal as it can be so that I can appreciate it.

[00:21:14] But it's not the same as if I wasn't podcasting on it.

[00:21:16] And then second watch, yeah, analyze the hell out of it

[00:21:19] and pause it constantly.

[00:21:21] But I would say overall, I shows more though that I podcast on because

[00:21:27] I've taken the time to really figure out what's going on. And then it makes me realize when

[00:21:33] I watch a show that I'm not podcasting on, a lot of times I miss so much. And I don't

[00:21:37] even understand what the hell's going on sometimes. Like I watched follow the house of usher

[00:21:41] I was four episodes in and I'm like, I need to go check out what Paken Rema did.

[00:21:45] And then, oh my God, I miss so much.

[00:21:48] I didn't even understand half of this.

[00:21:51] That show was so good.

[00:21:52] I was obsessed when I watched it.

[00:21:54] I watched it like only times in a row.

[00:21:56] Just finished it last night.

[00:21:57] It was so good.

[00:21:58] And Lucy, I think she's doing great.

[00:21:59] I wish she was here to hear that, but, um, but yeah, I think she's doing really

[00:22:03] well and she'll be back for the next episode.

[00:22:06] All right.

[00:22:07] Nathan Echelman says, the pregnant woman being tied to the bed was giving 2004 Dawn

[00:22:13] of the Dead vibes.

[00:22:14] You know, I actually have not seen that movie.

[00:22:17] No zombaby this time though.

[00:22:19] Also, I'd love a Nat episode of Tales of the Walking Dead.

[00:22:23] That's always a good idea.

[00:22:24] If you want

[00:22:25] more Matthew Jeffers in your life, check out a movie called Unidentified Objects. It's a drama

[00:22:30] slash comedy road trip movie with sci-fi elements. Hard to pin down, really unique. Thanks Nathan,

[00:22:37] I wrote that down and I'm gonna look it up. Yeah that sounds interesting. But I also flashback to Luda in Dawn of the Dead.

[00:22:48] I would like to forget that scene.

[00:22:50] Oh, God.

[00:22:51] But that's my favorite.

[00:22:53] I think it's it's in my top three.

[00:22:55] If now my very favorite zombie movie of all time, I recommend the

[00:22:58] opening.

[00:22:59] I read a chance.

[00:23:01] It starts with a bang.

[00:23:03] Next Josh Lewis said the first half of the episode had me hyped.

[00:23:09] It's the found family vibes that made me fall in love with The Walking Dead.

[00:23:12] It did not take long for me to be reminded that that is not what the show is going to

[00:23:17] be like, and I'm okay with that.

[00:23:19] I thought the episode as a whole was wicked good.

[00:23:22] Matthew Jeffers was...

[00:23:24] I'm making sure I love that. the episode as a whole was Wicked Good. Matthew Jeffers was amazing in his chatty little role.

[00:23:32] I'll be looking into his filmography for sure. Well, you should watch what Nathan recommended

[00:23:38] them. Yeah, Josh, are you from New England? Are you a New Hampshire person? Because Wicked Good? Wicked.

[00:23:41] Are you from New England? Are you a New Hampshire person?

[00:23:42] Cause wicked good, wicked.

[00:23:46] That's very Boston, New Hampshire.

[00:23:49] Yeah.

[00:23:50] Um, I mean, it is sort of walking dead.

[00:23:54] It's very walking dead like because you get that found family

[00:23:58] vibes, especially early on, but then people die off and not as quick.

[00:24:02] But they do, though.

[00:24:08] Scott with them. I think that's how you say his name. Wow, just amazing. First half, man. But everything from when it was just Michonne and Nat onwards

[00:24:13] was some of the best TWD I've seen. So happy to have Rick and Michonne back. Honestly, I was

[00:24:19] wishing for the episode to end when I saw the mysterious figure, Jadis, watching Michonne's tape

[00:24:24] as I just

[00:24:25] don't want anything or anyone taking away the joy I feel having them back together.

[00:24:30] Hopefully they'll be back and they'll be fine by the end.

[00:24:32] Yeah, maybe Jadis brought whiskey.

[00:24:37] She's always hoping for something to happen.

[00:24:40] Yeah, she has a thing for Rick.

[00:24:43] So Anthony doesn't.

[00:24:45] That's true.

[00:24:46] Anthony Ibar Sena says, okay, this episode was so good.

[00:24:52] It definitely has changed my opinion of the show.

[00:24:55] Last week, I was really let down by the first episode,

[00:24:58] but all that changed quickly into this episode.

[00:25:00] I loved how this all played out.

[00:25:03] Was very sad and surprised with Nat dying. I loved how this all played out, was very sad and surprised with

[00:25:05] Nat dying. I literally yelled at the TV. Definitely reminded me of old Walking Dead

[00:25:10] episodes. This episode was well written. PS, I'm so glad y'all are back covering this

[00:25:15] show.

[00:25:16] Sweet. I wonder where to yelled at the TV.

[00:25:19] Probably stupid TV. Probably like me. I yelled. They didn't.

[00:25:29] Yeah, I should probably not repeat what I yelled at my TV.

[00:25:38] Mo Faveau says in in rush, so haven't read other comments listening to the pod right now. And my one comment is when you reconnect with your man and learn he cut off his hand trying to

[00:25:44] escape to get back

[00:25:45] to you and your daughter, you should take a few minutes to decide whether knowing about his son

[00:25:50] will lead to good or bad decisions, not to mention telling him that you left that three-year-old behind.

[00:25:57] Lots of guilt involved in those decisions since Michonne asks or risked more than he knows.

[00:26:04] Maybe that's part of why she didn't tell him.

[00:26:06] Oh, maybe he'll cut off his other hand.

[00:26:08] No, I mean.

[00:26:08] No.

[00:26:09] Maybe, yeah, she just didn't want to add any, like,

[00:26:14] she wanted to consider it first.

[00:26:16] Yeah, she's always been that way.

[00:26:18] She observes and makes decisions.

[00:26:22] That's true.

[00:26:23] One of ours.

[00:26:24] Yeah, one of us. One of us.

[00:26:26] Actually, she was an attorney in the comics, but I don't think they ever said that on the show yet.

[00:26:31] Yeah, they haven't confirmed it.

[00:26:33] They did. Did they not?

[00:26:34] I looked it up.

[00:26:35] I assumed in my head.

[00:26:36] I did too. And I looked it up in the wiki in it.

[00:26:39] It's, I think it says it's unknown, but if any listeners know any different, let us know.

[00:26:44] Curious.

[00:26:44] I think it says it's unknown, but if any listeners know any different, let us know. Curious.

[00:26:45] Terri and Huntington Beach says, Cloring Gas, World War One called It Wants Its Weapon

[00:26:50] Back.

[00:26:51] I feel the character of Nat was very rushed.

[00:26:54] How very Kirkman of the writers to in one episode introduce him, tell us ad backstory,

[00:26:58] kill him off, and expect us to feel bad.

[00:27:01] I'm going to forgive this.

[00:27:03] I feel bad.

[00:27:04] I mean, I forgive this because

[00:27:05] very bad because the writers don't have many episodes to get Rick and show them back together

[00:27:11] to kick ass and techniques. It's good to see two great characters back in action,

[00:27:15] but please, no more shortcuts to tug at our heartstrings. I mean, that's exactly what it was. It was

[00:27:21] a way to get us to feel anger at the CRM and to Michelle and to have a reason

[00:27:29] to hate them. That's what I think anyway. And they have six episodes to work with and it does

[00:27:35] feel very condensed. But to me, that's welcome pacing compared. I'd rather have that than to

[00:27:39] have things drawn out. I thought they did a damn good job. I love how all over the place the opinions are about this episode. It's great.

[00:27:47] I know. Oh yeah. And I'm glad when people write as much as when someone says something

[00:27:51] I say, oh yeah, well, I feel the opposite. I hope you don't feel like I'm saying I wish

[00:27:54] you didn't write it because that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm glad you wrote in to

[00:27:58] say that.

[00:27:59] It's fun to hear all the differing perspectives.

[00:28:03] Yes. And here's another one. It's from Carissa.

[00:28:05] Hi, Jason and Lucy.

[00:28:07] This is Carissa from Portland, Oregon.

[00:28:10] When I called last week, I failed to mention that I am actually from Philadelphia.

[00:28:15] I was born and raised.

[00:28:17] She's CRM clearly.

[00:28:18] I think he all retired Omaha, even though I have no idea what it's like.

[00:28:21] She's still creating a podcast.

[00:28:22] Anyway, this is for the ones you live episode two gone. I loved it

[00:28:29] a lot. I thought the acting was incredible. The writing was on point. There was just a

[00:28:35] really solid episode when we met Nat and company and they were so precious and sweet. I thought,

[00:28:41] yep, they're doomed. They're dead. But it's cool, it's a narrative purpose.

[00:28:47] So I'm not gonna be too mad about that.

[00:28:53] Rick and Rashone's head spaces,

[00:28:56] it's so interesting, Rick is definitely motivated

[00:28:59] to try to leave again, but he's just so afraid.

[00:29:03] I'm totally, he's giving Rick,

[00:29:05] I'm afraid of the saviors by, for sure.

[00:29:10] Because he knows how hard it's gonna be to try again.

[00:29:13] And then Michelle has no clue, she wants to smoke,

[00:29:17] she wants to fade everybody,

[00:29:18] and it's just not gonna be that easy.

[00:29:21] So it's interesting just to compare their heads,

[00:29:23] compare their head spaces. I really like it.

[00:29:26] It might be a little bit of their personalities to independently of that. Like I do think people

[00:29:31] are right that Rick's just gone through a lot and he's been beaten down and Michonne hasn't.

[00:29:37] She's fresh, but I still also think it's just part of her personality that more than most people

[00:29:43] she wouldn't kout out anyone, you know? Yeah. And I do like that reference back to the

[00:29:49] Saviors where, you know, we basically saw Rick's spirit leave him in his fight.

[00:29:57] And when they opened the series with him being so desperate to leave that he cut off his hand,

[00:30:04] like that tells us everything

[00:30:05] we need to know about his mental state. So that's, I like that throwback to the saviors.

[00:30:12] I hadn't thought of that.

[00:30:14] All right.

[00:30:15] Recognizing and acknowledging that Rick and the show together are like, you know, a force

[00:30:20] to be reckoned with. They're a powerhouse and that they're a threat. And it's just really cool to have her character recognize that.

[00:30:30] It was also really cute.

[00:30:31] And Michonne almost told Rick about RJ.

[00:30:33] I mean, they were cute in general,

[00:30:34] like the moment they reunited.

[00:30:37] It was just so adorable.

[00:30:39] But yeah, I felt like it was good for her not to tell him.

[00:30:41] It's just something to save for the end of the series

[00:30:45] when we see him re-enit with RJ because that's totally happening. Both of them are going to

[00:30:51] live through this. Benign Andy wouldn't do his dirty like this. I just have to have to be.

[00:30:57] Anyway, looking forward to next week. Love you guys' podcast. Love you guys.

[00:31:04] Thank you. Bye.

[00:31:05] Thank you. I think you're right too. I don't think Rick's gonna die,

[00:31:09] but I don't know for sure.

[00:31:13] Nils Cortez says, I still find it very convenient that they accidentally saw

[00:31:18] and shot down the right helicopter for the reunion to happen. I usually come

[00:31:23] up with my own headcanon on why that is,

[00:31:25] but here the only reason I can come up with is that they were destined to see each other again,

[00:31:29] like two matching magnets they were attracted from across the United States, which I'm surprisingly

[00:31:35] fine with given that everything that followed was so great. And let me say, Jason and Lucy,

[00:31:40] it's so fun listening to you when you are really excited about an episode. Great job.

[00:31:46] That's my favorite. That's what I'm really into it.

[00:31:48] I appreciate the poetry about the magnets.

[00:31:50] Yeah, that is nice. But I think that is the only explanation that they're destined. It's fate.

[00:31:57] It's universe putting them back together or Scott Gimple.

[00:32:02] Dee Dee Bergeron said, I was relieved that it started out

[00:32:05] a bit lighter than last week.

[00:32:07] Last week was hard.

[00:32:09] I was sad to lose Nat.

[00:32:10] He was a great character.

[00:32:12] Did he need to die?

[00:32:13] I guess, yeah.

[00:32:14] I like that he got to witness.

[00:32:17] That's a quick turn around.

[00:32:18] I like that he got to witness the successful reunion

[00:32:21] before getting shot.

[00:32:23] I'm scared for both of them now because Jadis is so damn untrustworthy.

[00:32:28] Rick needs to tell Michonne she's there because that would be a bad surprise.

[00:32:34] When she said, I found you, I found you.

[00:32:36] That part was great.

[00:32:38] Yeah, that was, that was a good moment.

[00:32:41] Jadis is a very complicated character.

[00:32:43] And I think it's a bit unfortunate for this character that she started out being

[00:32:50] this trash person who spoke in a really annoying way because that just was everyone's

[00:32:56] initial impression of her.

[00:32:58] And so now if there's a little bit more to dig into, a lot of people won't even

[00:33:04] think that's worthwhile because there's like trash character, a lot of people won't even think that's worthwhile

[00:33:05] because there's like trash character, you know?

[00:33:07] And I don't think of her as that anymore.

[00:33:10] She's interesting.

[00:33:12] If you watched World Beyond, she was really great in that.

[00:33:15] And she's just really buying into the whole the CRM's mission.

[00:33:21] I guess I won't say too much about her in World Beyond.

[00:33:24] But she, if not for her,

[00:33:26] Rick would be dead. She saved her life.

[00:33:28] Oh, yeah. It's so nice, finally, knowing what it means when she said, you know, I have a B.

[00:33:35] Yeah. Yeah. Finally getting some insight into that. I was like, thank God.

[00:33:40] I just think that's one thing for people to consider. And I'm sure people are like,

[00:33:44] whatever, Jason, but it's true. If not for her, Rick would most likely be dead. So there's another little

[00:33:49] facet to her character. I'm not saying I'm a total stand for Jada or anything like that, but I just

[00:33:53] think she's an interesting character. That's all. I want to know more. She's unique. So they

[00:33:57] flush that out. April Clark says, I rewatched the first episode of the ones who live. And something Estamon said stuck out at me when him and Rick were talking

[00:34:08] the park Estamon brought up that he has a girl on the inside who's a journalist.

[00:34:13] Does anyone think that the girl he's talking about might be Al from Fear the

[00:34:17] Walking Dead?

[00:34:18] No, if I recall Al didn't die and ended up going to live with a girlfriend.

[00:34:23] Of course, I'm assuming Estamon didn't mean the girl that he was referring to as a romantic interest.

[00:34:29] I thought he did.

[00:34:31] I thought it was a romantic thing.

[00:34:33] Yeah.

[00:34:34] Not sure how long ago that would have been in the Walking Dead universe, but maybe it's possible Al ended up elsewhere.

[00:34:38] Well, Al and Isabel, I think they decided, and I hope people don't mind that I'm giving a plot thing from Fear the Walking Dead,

[00:34:46] but Isabelle was CRM, but I think they decided to run away from the CRM, didn't they?

[00:34:50] I don't.

[00:34:50] So they wouldn't be back in Philadelphia if that was the case.

[00:34:55] I definitely did not rewatch Fear the Walking Dead story.

[00:35:00] It was fuzzy.

[00:35:01] Those episodes were some of the, we're actually good.

[00:35:05] I mean, there were some good ones in there.

[00:35:07] The ones with Isabel.

[00:35:10] Andrea Hatfield-Almstead says,

[00:35:12] I really enjoyed this episode.

[00:35:16] It was such a genuine feeling throughout it.

[00:35:18] I did cry when we truly saw them reunited and it was perfect.

[00:35:22] I loved it when he pulled her into the warehouse

[00:35:24] to play kissy face too. I loved it when he pulled her into the warehouse to play

[00:35:25] kissy face too. I really wanted her to tell him about RJ, slight bummer, but all the more exciting

[00:35:31] for a reveal down the road. My favorite part was Jadis returning and I loved it when she said

[00:35:36] what the... we can swear on here. Fuck, are you doing Rick? Everything is laid out now. Let the

[00:35:42] games begin. I think we will see a future end game where everyone is going to come back together one last time.

[00:35:49] On a scale of one to Herschel Green, I give it a nine out of ten.

[00:35:54] I think one of the tough things about having getting everybody back together is just the logistics of coordinating people's schedules. But I think that there's so much love

[00:36:06] for the Walking Dead among the cast

[00:36:08] because it was such a great experience

[00:36:12] that I would be surprised if they would all want to do it.

[00:36:16] I think they would want to.

[00:36:18] Yeah.

[00:36:19] Well, and for the most part,

[00:36:20] they all seem to really enjoy each other

[00:36:23] working together.

[00:36:24] So that's a big plus.

[00:36:27] If sex in the city did it, then walking dead didn't do it.

[00:36:32] Yeah.

[00:36:32] They should have a pumped about walk crossover.

[00:36:35] That's what you're saying, right?

[00:36:36] Oh, yeah.

[00:36:37] Totally.

[00:36:38] Totally.

[00:36:41] Sex and death to me.

[00:36:43] Oh, I love that.

[00:36:47] That's fantastic.

[00:36:48] Somebody do the art.

[00:36:49] Gosh, I want to see the art.

[00:36:50] I know.

[00:36:51] Yes, please.

[00:36:52] Uh, Chris Lebau said, happy you guys are back and covering this show that we are all pulling for.

[00:36:59] I am not as big of fan and aficionado of fear like Jason.

[00:37:04] Jason is the biggest fear fan.

[00:37:08] But did anyone else get fear vibes a little? Rick's helicopter happens to come

[00:37:13] right over them. The rocket pack and rockets are cool, but that seems like a very sophisticated

[00:37:19] system to bang together pun intended. Those rockets and other cool inventions that I am sure

[00:37:26] Nat could come up with would be helpful fighting the CRM, but Nat is dead, so no luck there.

[00:37:34] Seems they could keep that character for a while and have him play a significant part later on.

[00:37:40] He is dead, they're all dead. Have a good podcast and look forward to your thoughts

[00:37:46] Yeah, that would have been interesting to keep around

[00:37:48] Hmm. I do feel like gimple and

[00:37:53] fear have some kind of a

[00:37:56] similar feeling some ways

[00:37:59] but

[00:38:00] gimple especially when he's

[00:38:02] better

[00:38:03] He has tendencies that elevate it

[00:38:07] But they're both kind of I don't know how to describe it. I probably need to think about it more but in

[00:38:13] The way that the plots work out. There's some weirdness

[00:38:17] To get more feel similar to fear in some ways, you know

[00:38:20] Like wasn't he the one that was responsible for Glenn being able to fit under that dumpster. I

[00:38:26] Don't know probably I don't remember the talking dead afterwards. I was like

[00:38:32] Yes, and he you know Gippel was like creative

[00:38:35] Overseer of the walking dead or whatever for years and so I bet she was in there working with the fear show runners

[00:38:42] And also Matt to grad he overrun over on World Beyond 2 to help

[00:38:45] shape things. I don't think he had, I don't know if he had much to do with the Daryl Show,

[00:38:49] actually I have no idea. But anyway, here's a call from Owen from Leeds.

[00:38:55] Hello, I'm Paul O'Connor. That's the cut. This isn't Owen. Leeds, I think, but a feedback,

[00:39:03] I guess for episode 1 and two, season two,

[00:39:06] whilst I'm taking the daughter Delilah for a walk in the front. So any outside noises?

[00:39:11] Yeah, what can you do? So yeah, episode one I really enjoyed. I think as soon as I saw

[00:39:17] a record, this is the show again. And it has kind of made me long for the early years. So I'm probably going to rewatch from the start and then capture with the old guys reminiscing about the good old days of season one, two and all.

[00:39:34] Yeah.

[00:39:35] Regards.

[00:39:36] The actual looking cranny of episode one, I thought.

[00:39:39] Oka for because his name was actually a great character.

[00:39:43] I was really enjoying him. So I guess it made sense

[00:39:46] that they'd kill him off, but I wanted to at least have a few episodes with him. And Rick

[00:39:52] Blin's sword defeated was kind of strange really and took me back to season eight, which was not a

[00:40:00] good season, but also season seven when the saviors were on top and his people hadn't

[00:40:07] really rallied to fight yet. Regarding episode 2, I enjoyed the last, what, 15 minutes? If

[00:40:15] for that, it felt like an episode of Fear the Walking Dead. I really didn't enjoy it. It was fine,

[00:40:31] it. It was fine but was just ill and not for me. It was nice even showing an old book. Just didn't really care about these people who were really well they felt insignificant and they were long

[00:40:38] run for the little guy who was named. It was named named? I'd like to survive in a bit longer.

[00:40:47] So, yeah, look at that.

[00:40:50] Up until that where she met Rick,

[00:40:52] I enjoyed that.

[00:40:54] I enjoyed record day this meeting again.

[00:40:56] And obviously they've got some long sand in agreement.

[00:40:58] And the only other thing I'd like to have is,

[00:41:00] I think these last four episodes as well as shit's going to go down.

[00:41:04] And I would like to see the world beyond people

[00:41:07] come into this because for the people who haven't seen World Beyond if you're listening to this, you really should watch it.

[00:41:13] Don't let fear the walking dead as far as spin-off score to harness your opinions because Season 1 of World Beyond,

[00:41:21] to be fair, was up there with the worst of fear. What season two of

[00:41:25] World Beyond was outstanding. So yeah, that's everything guys. Jason, Lucy, everybody.

[00:41:32] Thank you for carrying on doing your shows and I am looking forward to episode three.

[00:41:38] Okay, cheers, bye.

[00:41:39] Here's daughter in there in the background.

[00:41:41] That was cute.

[00:41:42] I'm glad to hear from you. I'm glad you're

[00:41:45] digging the show. Yeah, join us over on the rewatch. It'd be cool. Okay. Ashley Edward Wolf says,

[00:41:52] hi, Jason and Lucy. Nat, why kill Nat? I love his character and I now love the actor.

[00:41:58] What an excellent job by Matthew Jeffers. His relationship with Michonne was everything. Michonne and quote danger lighter are going to take the CRM down.

[00:42:10] The scenes with Rick and Michonne are hot and heavy, unlike in it fire. Lastly, I wonder why she's waiting to tell Rick about RJ, hoping it's to have this big reveal at the end when everyone is reunited. Here's to hoping.

[00:42:24] at the end when everyone is reunited. Here's to hoping. I just wanted to say I was listening along with the rewatch, but my rewatch got out of hand and I couldn't stop. So I'm on season 11.

[00:42:33] I love listening to the rewatch and I'm going to go back to season two once you guys pick it back up.

[00:42:37] I've heard so many people. In fact, I don't know if I've heard anyone say, yeah, we're staying

[00:42:42] right along with you. I think everyone is. Yeah.

[00:42:45] We kept on going.

[00:42:45] But I hope that it's still worthwhile for you guys for us to.

[00:42:49] I mean, do you still want to listen?

[00:42:50] Absolutely.

[00:42:51] I still listen every week.

[00:42:52] It's so much fun.

[00:42:54] Yeah, but yeah, I went for me too.

[00:42:56] I lasted like two weeks following along with you guys.

[00:42:59] And then I mean, we were thinking about doing multiple episodes at once, but I'm kind of digging

[00:43:07] just getting into digging into each one.

[00:43:11] It feels natural for me to do that.

[00:43:13] So I think we'll just keep doing it at least for a little while longer.

[00:43:16] Yeah, we will keep listening.

[00:43:19] Adam T says, hey, long time, first time.

[00:43:24] Well, to be honest, I started listening to you guys after bald move stopped.

[00:43:28] But when they started again, I wasn't going to leave you guys.

[00:43:31] So now it's kind of nice to have one negative podcast and one podcast.

[00:43:36] I just wanted to put something funny out into the world.

[00:43:39] So everyone compared the Darryl show to the last of us.

[00:43:42] But wow, now it really seems that the Walking

[00:43:45] Dead writers are taking ideas from other shows. In this episode, there is a group that is

[00:43:49] constantly on the move, a caravan. Interesting idea. Has anyone seen the Twisted Metal Show

[00:43:55] that came out last year starring Anthony Mackie? I have not seen that. If not, I recommend

[00:44:00] it, could even be worth a cast as it's post-apocalyptic. Hmm.

[00:44:05] No, I didn't even know about that.

[00:44:07] I swear every day I hear about a new show that I know about.

[00:44:10] Yeah, so much out there now.

[00:44:13] Yeah, the bald move guys, I used to listen to them sometimes.

[00:44:17] They're watching dead and I admire them so much.

[00:44:21] And that podcast just tore the walking down a new hail a hole each

[00:44:26] week. And I thought it was really fun actually, how different the personalities of all the

[00:44:31] walking dead podcasts were. Yeah. But but and I love those guys. You they're good friends.

[00:44:36] Yeah. When they don't like something, they're really funny. Yeah.

[00:44:40] Yeah. It's true. Oh, man. Okay.

[00:44:45] Stephen Fletcher said, just watched it and honestly the first half with Michonne's new

[00:44:50] friends just felt too tropey to me.

[00:44:53] I knew immediately that they're going to die and my feeling may change on a second watch,

[00:44:58] but my eyes were cynically rolling in every scene they were in and it felt like the same

[00:45:03] kind of story that had been done before on the original show.

[00:45:07] But the Rick and Michonne reunion was wonderfully done, beautifully played by the actors,

[00:45:12] and when the episode became about them trying to keep Michonne's identity a secret, I was hooked.

[00:45:17] I'm really looking forward to seeing the next episode and how the rest of the series will go.

[00:45:22] Rick admitting to Michonne that it's impossible to beat these people really stuck out to me.

[00:45:27] It just said a lot about how beaten he's become by them

[00:45:30] and how much he's changed.

[00:45:32] Yeah, he is not optimistic.

[00:45:34] I mean, it's hard, as a writer, I know they wanted

[00:45:38] to have some characters suffer at the fate of the CRM

[00:45:43] that Michonne cared about.

[00:45:45] Yeah.

[00:45:46] And they wanted to do it quickly so they can get to the story that we all want to see with

[00:45:51] her and Rick.

[00:45:52] And so given those constraints, I think they did as good as they possibly could have.

[00:45:57] And what really helped it was the actors, especially Matthew August Jeffers who played

[00:46:03] Nat, but the other two I thought were really

[00:46:05] good too, especially the woman Bailey, but both of them. I mean, I mean, Aiden. So all

[00:46:11] that is to say everything we watch is full of tropes, but if they're done really well,

[00:46:17] then I can be into it. And I thought this was especially it was weird because after they died,

[00:46:24] that's when I really appreciated what I had just seen it was and had been starting

[00:46:28] to get bored with.

[00:46:29] Yeah.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:31] Yeah.

[00:46:32] All right.

[00:46:33] Here's a call from Robin.

[00:46:34] Hey, y'all.

[00:46:35] It's me.

[00:46:36] Um, I don't know about you guys, but in my long life, I've participated in a lot of

[00:46:43] kisses, many of which I would rate

[00:46:45] as 10 on the 1-10 scale, but that kiss between Rick and Michonne was definitely 15.

[00:46:53] It was an amazing, amazing scene.

[00:46:56] All I could think of was Kevin Costner talking about kissing Whitney Houston for the bodyguard.

[00:47:00] He kissed her once for the movie, and then he kissed her again for himself. And all I could think of was Andrew Lincoln is kissing Danai Gurira for himself. That was

[00:47:10] such a heartfelt and beautiful, beautiful scene. I loved it. Love the way they bookended Michonne

[00:47:17] telling her story, a story, her story, a story at first to fit in the truth and at the end to fit in not the

[00:47:26] truth. That was that was shades of the old days. I loved them coming around back

[00:47:32] you know in a circle the way they sometimes used to in the old the old

[00:47:36] episodes. As soon as the young woman with the handsome boyfriend revealed that

[00:47:41] she was pregnant I thought oh no oh no. Oh god, here we go.

[00:47:45] And yep, they were goners, as was that,

[00:47:49] who that young actor really, really knows

[00:47:52] how to grab the moment, doesn't he?

[00:47:54] He made an incredible impression.

[00:47:56] But I thought to myself, they couldn't have stayed alive

[00:47:59] because Nat would never have been able to play the game

[00:48:02] and keep his mouth closed. And Rick would have never been able to play the game and keep his mouth closed.

[00:48:05] And Rick would have never been able to get additional people

[00:48:07] out of the compound.

[00:48:10] So it really had to be just Michonne.

[00:48:13] But they serve the purpose of showing us who Michonne is,

[00:48:16] in case we had forgotten, someone who doesn't ever

[00:48:19] leave anyone behind, someone who is so kind,

[00:48:22] and will take in and care for anybody who is kind in

[00:48:28] return and vulnerable and needs her help. Without question, she just she will

[00:48:33] just do that. At first I thought, Ms. Sean didn't do the right thing about not

[00:48:39] telling Rick about RJ, but then I thought yes that that was the smart move

[00:48:42] because that would have totally upended everything Rick would have just gone off the deep end if he knew he had a son at home

[00:48:49] And I love to misshone walking around trying to look small

[00:48:53] radiating all this strength and and you know hostility and hatred

[00:48:58] Checking it out keeping her head on a swivel and then Rick and misshone acting like teenagers and sneaking away

[00:49:04] Yes, and talk and I thought oh my god they are gonna blow this just like teenagers

[00:49:09] inevitably blow it and get caught they're gonna do that it's gonna happen but

[00:49:14] then the stakes were even ramped up higher when Jadis shows up Jadis oh my

[00:49:21] god her menace was so amazing and I have not seen the second series or the

[00:49:29] second season of the world beyond. So all I really kind of remembered was Jadis, you

[00:49:34] know, as the garbage person and whatnot. And it was cute the way she said, you've heard

[00:49:39] a lot of language from me. Yes, yes, yes. Love that callback. But she is so menacing and Rick not saying a word

[00:49:47] to her. So we really don't know what their deal was, what their, you know, what they

[00:49:53] had cooked up between them. That will be very interesting to see. Anyway, here's wishing

[00:49:58] you lovely number 15 kisses. I'll talk to you next week. Bye.

[00:50:04] Thanks, Robin.

[00:50:05] Yeah, I want some number 15 kisses.

[00:50:08] That sounds great.

[00:50:10] All right.

[00:50:12] Chantelle his lop says, I honestly did not like it first watch at the start.

[00:50:17] It almost felt comical and out of place for the walking debt.

[00:50:20] On rewatch, I was able to understand the timeline so much better as it is moving so fast. I've watched it three times now and decided I now love it. I've been there.

[00:50:31] The way the helicopter turned and faced everyone before the gas bombs was so terrifying. Yeah,

[00:50:36] I love that because Michonne understood what was happening before anyone else. It's like

[00:50:40] that thing is facing off against us. Yeah. I believe that Michonne and Nat were inside for about a year as we see all the seasons

[00:50:48] go by as Michonne looked up through the glass roof.

[00:50:51] Yeah, I think a good part of a year anyway, if not a full year.

[00:50:55] Yeah.

[00:50:56] That's what Lucy said last time and I made me think about it.

[00:51:00] Yeah, she's right.

[00:51:01] Rick and Michonne reunion was beautiful and harrowing.

[00:51:05] They had less than a minute to make a decision, but I would have thought that Michonne would

[00:51:08] have tried to run and drag Rick with her.

[00:51:11] Yeah, right.

[00:51:13] I'm still confused about Jadis.

[00:51:14] How does she have so much power?

[00:51:16] My husband said that when they were at the dump, it was some kind of outpost of the CRM.

[00:51:21] Do you guys remember anything like this?

[00:51:23] I need to rewatch that season and the world beyond again, I think so much going on, but so thrilling.

[00:51:31] I think it's okay to tell Jadis the story that to remind you guys of what we saw in

[00:51:35] the Walking Dead proper, which is that she and her group were in the dump. They were

[00:51:42] like ex artists or something and they came up with this weird

[00:51:46] speaking thing in order to bond the group together more or something like that. But

[00:51:51] at some point we heard, we didn't see this, that they had some, they came across the CRM

[00:51:58] and the CRM made a deal with J.T.S. will give you supplies if you bring us people.

[00:52:05] And so she didn't at that point,

[00:52:09] she wasn't part of the CRM,

[00:52:10] she was just an associate of them.

[00:52:12] She'd never been to the civic republic, Philadelphia,

[00:52:16] or any of the other outposts as far as we know.

[00:52:19] So it wasn't like she was part of them,

[00:52:21] she just worked with,

[00:52:23] she helped get them people in exchange for supplies.

[00:52:25] They had a deal.

[00:52:26] And when she gave them Rick, that's in exchange.

[00:52:30] She got to go to them.

[00:52:34] And then we saw in World Beyond,

[00:52:37] well, I've been sort of not wanting to spoil a lot of stuff

[00:52:42] from World Beyond, so I don't know how much,

[00:52:44] I think it's okay to talk about.

[00:52:45] Anyway, I think we'll talk more about this next,

[00:52:48] after the next episode.

[00:52:50] Yeah.

[00:52:50] Well, and I remember Jadis, I just remember her being

[00:52:53] in that and almost looked like a shipping container room.

[00:52:57] Yeah, that was like white white with the walkie talkie.

[00:53:00] Yeah.

[00:53:01] Yeah, it was really, really clean.

[00:53:02] And even though it was like surrounded by garbage,

[00:53:05] mm-hmm. That stood out to me. I was like, what else is it out there? If you see World Beyond,

[00:53:11] you'll get an idea of how she got so much power, you know, because you'll see her position in the

[00:53:20] CRM and all of that kind of stuff, what her role is and all that kind of stuff. But we'll talk about

[00:53:24] it more next episode too.

[00:53:25] Robin Mark, another Robin, says, there was a couple of moments in there that felt a bit

[00:53:30] to fear the Walking Dead for me.

[00:53:32] Mostly Nat's story about his stepdad teaching him how to build things instead of burn them.

[00:53:38] Just that one line of dialogue after he brings up his stepdad asking him to build him stuff.

[00:53:44] Speaking of Nat, Matthew Jeffers was fantastic. That seems to be the one universal opinion.

[00:53:52] I'm genuinely sad that we don't get more Nat. What a great character.

[00:53:56] Got some early The Walking Dead vibes at times. The walkers at the doors of the mall was very

[00:54:00] reminiscent of the first episode where we meet Glenn's small group. And that shot with the gas man Walker felt a lot like seeing the shot of Rick

[00:54:09] walking in the pilot.

[00:54:12] I don't that is that felt like a fear, the walking dead moment to me.

[00:54:16] Yeah.

[00:54:17] Cost to me zombie.

[00:54:19] Yeah.

[00:54:20] I was like, take what you need, leave what you don't.

[00:54:22] But yeah, exactly.

[00:54:25] I was concerned after Dead City that the spin-offs wouldn't be great,

[00:54:29] but Daryl and this one have been good so far.

[00:54:32] P.S., I love Jada says a character and I'm glad they have fleshed her out from the main show.

[00:54:37] Pollyanna is a great actress and Scottish represent and is doing a fantastic job.

[00:54:42] Very excited to see how Rashone get themselves free

[00:54:46] of their current dilemma.

[00:54:47] Thanks Robin.

[00:54:49] Oh, another Robin.

[00:54:50] Oh, another Robin.

[00:54:51] Yep.

[00:54:51] It's all Robin.

[00:54:52] It's for you.

[00:54:53] Yep.

[00:54:54] Robin Mallory said, I am very excited to see the ones who live.

[00:54:58] So far, I really like the first two episodes.

[00:55:01] I know Michonne is one of the main characters,

[00:55:03] but it was a bit far-fetched that she and Nat survived

[00:55:06] the bombing while in their little caravan.

[00:55:09] Boy, they have good luck.

[00:55:11] Yeah, that's true.

[00:55:13] I roll moment, L-O-L.

[00:55:15] She's the butt.

[00:55:16] I noticed that a lot of attention

[00:55:18] was given to Nat's lighter from his stepfather.

[00:55:22] We heard the story of his stepdad.

[00:55:24] Nat flicked the lighter quite often.

[00:55:26] Then, after his death, Michonne is given the lighter to remember Nat. The last scene is a Michonne

[00:55:32] looking over her new quote unquote home with the lighter in her hand. For some reason,

[00:55:38] an idea popped into my head. I truly think the general is going to see Michonne with a lighter and ask her where she got it because it's his lighter.

[00:55:47] The general is Nat's stepfather. Oh, damn. That would be a lot.

[00:55:53] I know that may be far-fetched and I could be totally wrong, but damn, that would be so cool.

[00:55:59] Keep up the great work, Jason and Lucy, you two are very knowledgeable and a lot of fun to listen to.

[00:56:05] Thanks Robin.

[00:56:06] That is interesting.

[00:56:07] I can't get my head around the implications of that.

[00:56:10] I don't think it's going to happen, but if it does, I'll buy you a beer the next time

[00:56:14] I see you.

[00:56:15] Nice.

[00:56:16] All right.

[00:56:17] Here's a call from Veronica Brothers.

[00:56:21] First time caller I think.

[00:56:24] Hey guys. Veronica from Wisconsin. from Veronica Brothers. First time caller, I think.

[00:56:30] Hey guys, Veronica from Wisconsin, first time calling here.

[00:56:35] I love listening to you guys's podcast because none of my friends watch the Walking Dead anymore.

[00:56:36] And it feels like I have some friends to listen to and watch with.

[00:56:43] This last episode was amazing. The one thing that I noticed when

[00:56:50] or that clicked with me was when they needed to act like they didn't know each

[00:56:57] other in the CRM. It reminded me of the dream sequence from the first episode. And I was wondering, I'm like, is that dream sequence going to be real?

[00:57:09] Because they had so much chemistry in that dream sequence.

[00:57:14] And, you know, it would be plausible that they would have to act like they didn't

[00:57:19] know each other inside the CRM, like acting like civilians.

[00:57:22] But I just thought of that.

[00:57:24] But my cat says hello.

[00:57:28] So yeah, I'm excited to hear the feedback.

[00:57:32] And I'm excited for you guys to record another episode.

[00:57:36] All right.

[00:57:36] Bye bye.

[00:57:38] Bye Veronica.

[00:57:39] I kind of love this theory that Rick and Michonne

[00:57:43] are going to need to stage some kind of meet cute

[00:57:47] so they can become a couple and that he'll be like, I have an idea, a park and a pizza box.

[00:57:53] I did feel there was a similarity of that because I still just think those dream sequences were Rick just

[00:58:02] sort of almost asleep just dreaming of Michelle.

[00:58:07] Yeah. But it did. It seemed like either they didn't know each other or they were pretending

[00:58:12] not to know each other. But I think it was just kind of surreal, you know, that it was

[00:58:16] just meant to be kind of surreal. But it does feel similar to now where they're not allowed

[00:58:21] to express how connected they are.

[00:58:27] It's interesting.

[00:58:28] Yeah, glad you called in Veronica.

[00:58:29] Call in again, love to hear from you and your cat anytime.

[00:58:32] Yeah.

[00:58:34] Andy Fisher says, thank you for the wonderful podcast.

[00:58:37] Oh, thanks Andy.

[00:58:38] Rishone, our sexiest ever.

[00:58:39] Did this episode seem extremely fast to you?

[00:58:43] Not until the chlorine thing, then it was. Bam, they meet, they meet the travelers, bam, they break apart from the

[00:58:48] travelers, bam, they're bombed, bam, they recover.

[00:58:51] I guess you got to go point there, bam, they're bombed.

[00:58:54] I was very intrigued by the traveling community and was hoping that there would

[00:58:57] be more to the story about them.

[00:58:59] I know all we learned about them is they're always on the move and they leave

[00:59:02] people behind.

[00:59:02] Oh, you should watch the station.

[00:59:04] 11 of that station 11. Oh, you should watch the station 11 that station 11.

[00:59:06] Oh, yeah.

[00:59:07] It's like separated at birth.

[00:59:10] Yeah.

[00:59:12] I knew there was something that it was.

[00:59:14] Yeah, that I think I've in the back of my head, I was feeling that for sure.

[00:59:19] Yeah.

[00:59:20] If they just had people like putting on plays.

[00:59:22] Yeah.

[00:59:24] I mean, they got the costumers there.

[00:59:27] That's true.

[00:59:28] He goes on that.

[00:59:29] I was very intrigued by the traveling community and was hoping there would be more to the

[00:59:32] story about them.

[00:59:33] I loved the show.

[00:59:34] However, the CRM, what are they doing and why is unclear and not in a good mysterious

[00:59:39] way such as lost?

[00:59:42] So he doesn't like the opaqueness of the Sierra. I love your idea that Rishan will

[00:59:46] become the new leaders of the United States. I love the cinematography of the show. It brings up so

[00:59:51] many questions about what is happening in the larger areas of the United States. The Walking Dead

[00:59:56] was very local in its scope. Until the end it started to branch out. But yeah, stories where

[01:00:01] people walked and sometimes used horses to travel. It's fascinating to think about what stories can be told now that there are helicopters

[01:00:08] and a strong military that are capable of traveling to different areas of the United States.

[01:00:12] Few of the Walking Dead had a terrific season two where the characters explored the

[01:00:17] coast of California and Mexico by boat.

[01:00:20] Are there books or video game tie-ins that explain the ins and outs of what's going

[01:00:24] on in the United States and CRM post apocalypse?

[01:00:27] Don't get bit.

[01:00:29] No, just world beyond.

[01:00:32] Yeah, watch world beyond if you didn't already and you're curious about that stuff, Andy, especially season two.

[01:00:39] But I agree. I think it's it's I think it was good for the Walking Dead to be very local and personal for a long time.

[01:00:48] But now that we've had so much of that, it's nice to expand the scope.

[01:00:54] Dina says,

[01:00:55] Hello, I watch an episode of The Walking Dead most nights.

[01:00:59] But unless I'm doing the rewatch with you guys, I jump around.

[01:01:02] My kids pick a number between 1 and 11, then once a

[01:01:05] season is determined, they pick a number from 1 to 6 or 1 to 24, etc. The other night they picked

[01:01:11] season 5, episode 15, where Michonne knocks Rick out soon after he says to the Alexandrians, we're

[01:01:17] the ones that live. I think, not sure, that might be the first time the line was set.

[01:01:23] Not sure. That might be the first time the line was set.

[01:01:28] It's funny. Yeah, maybe you say it to the Alexandrians. We're the ones that live.

[01:01:29] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:01:30] Anyway, it jumped out for obvious reasons.

[01:01:33] There's always something new to note no matter how many times you watch an episode.

[01:01:37] I missed the feedback episode last time, although you may have read my belated letter.

[01:01:41] I liked gone much more than the first installment,

[01:01:44] despite the somewhat

[01:01:45] annoying characters that have thankfully met their deaths and some of the story felt

[01:01:50] controlled. There's a contrary opinion. Yeah. Love it. But that reunion made up for it. This

[01:01:56] black-hearted Grinch got a little teary. Awesome. The second reunion between Rick and the White

[01:02:02] Witch of Narnia was also a delight. That's Jadis, that's hilarious. Great reference.

[01:02:07] Loved it. The stakes are definitely much higher than with Dead City and Daryl Dixon.

[01:02:12] And this is absolutely fitting to Rick's story. That's true.

[01:02:16] That's all. The Rick experts will have far more insights than I, so I'll leave it to them

[01:02:21] and look forward to their education. Much love, Dina.

[01:02:23] So I'll leave it to them and look forward to their education. Much love, Dina.

[01:02:24] Nice.

[01:02:25] I love how y'all pick what episode to watch.

[01:02:29] That's been just...

[01:02:30] I know.

[01:02:31] Do your kids just...

[01:02:32] Do they roll dice?

[01:02:33] Do they just say a random number?

[01:02:35] I'm curious.

[01:02:36] Yeah, Jay, I think that's why Jay just picked her name in reference to that Narnia story

[01:02:42] because her real name is Ann.

[01:02:44] As far as we know.

[01:02:45] Oh yeah, that's right.

[01:02:46] It's not as dramatic.

[01:02:47] I think that was the point of it being Anne.

[01:02:51] Another Buffy tie in.

[01:02:53] Yeah.

[01:02:54] Buffy's alias was Anne too.

[01:02:56] Oh.

[01:02:57] Nice.

[01:02:58] All right.

[01:02:59] Here's, I haven't heard from this person in a while.

[01:03:01] Thomas from Arizona.

[01:03:02] Hi Jason.

[01:03:03] Hi Lucy.

[01:03:04] This is Thomas from A.Z. while, Thomas from Arizona. Hi, Jason, hi Lucy. This is Thomas from AZ.

[01:03:06] I'm back, baby!

[01:03:08] I didn't go anywhere.

[01:03:11] I've just been listening in the background,

[01:03:14] but I'm excited to call because the past two episodes

[01:03:18] of The Ones Who Live have been so amazing.

[01:03:21] Specifically, Michonne's episode, she brings just so much light to the

[01:03:28] show. Like the first 15 minutes of Gone, there was some humor, there was a lot of love. I just

[01:03:37] felt like the way that they seamlessly folded in Nat Bailey and Aiden into the continuity of the show.

[01:03:45] It just felt like they've always been there.

[01:03:49] Specifically Bailey and Aiden,

[01:03:50] like technically they've been there for some years

[01:03:54] from the last episode of Michonne's

[01:03:58] and them being in this episode.

[01:04:00] But they really felt like I was watching a play with three acts.

[01:04:07] Yeah.

[01:04:08] And what that being said, I'm sure Denai had a hand at writing this particular episode,

[01:04:15] especially with her playwriting skills.

[01:04:18] I just felt like I was watching something that was made for a play. And the way that I had such a visceral reaction

[01:04:29] to Nat's death, it was so heartbreaking.

[01:04:35] They really put their heart and soul

[01:04:37] into writing these episodes.

[01:04:39] And I just can't wait to see how this ends

[01:04:43] or if we're gonna have a new beginning.

[01:04:47] I really like to think optimistically about the show.

[01:04:50] You know, it's called the ones who live.

[01:04:53] And I feel like perhaps all the people and characters that they're going to meet along

[01:04:57] the way will sacrifice themselves in some kind of way to help these two survive.

[01:05:03] And at the end, they are going to live. They are

[01:05:06] going to live if they don't. I riot. But anyways, I hope you guys are doing wonderful.

[01:05:12] And I will talk to you another time, baby. Don't get big. I'm back again, baby. It's time

[01:05:19] is for me. I forgot. There was one more thing I had to ask.

[01:05:25] How long exactly were Michonne and Nat together?

[01:05:32] I think I clocked one year, but that seems like a really long time to recover from the gas breathing on that shore. But you know, is Michonne's looking up

[01:05:47] at the glass ceiling, I was gonna call it a moon roof.

[01:05:54] And she was looking up, you know, she could see like,

[01:05:57] it was fall and then it went from winter,

[01:05:59] then it was spring and then it was fall again I think.

[01:06:02] So it seems like it was a year,

[01:06:04] but I just didn't feel like they showed us

[01:06:06] enough things happening, like,

[01:06:08] okay, Michelle's doing a pushup,

[01:06:10] but I'm not sure, like,

[01:06:14] take her a year to do a pushup.

[01:06:16] Anyways, that was a little vague.

[01:06:20] I know that we picked up six years from the bridge,

[01:06:24] and I believe it's been eight years

[01:06:27] since the bridge.

[01:06:28] So just kind of map that out for me and that's all I needed to know.

[01:06:34] All right.

[01:06:35] I bid you ado.

[01:06:36] All right, Lucy, if you're listening to the feedback episode here, I'm counting on

[01:06:42] you to map that out for Thomas next time you're on I think we started

[01:06:46] six years from the bridge with Rick and then

[01:06:50] shown

[01:06:51] Oh with Michonne it was five years with him

[01:06:54] But then we saw him go into training that I think lasted a year. So I thought that meant they're timing matched up

[01:07:02] That's right. That's why she had to spend a year in the mall. That's the only way that

[01:07:06] the timing would match up.

[01:07:07] Yeah. The changing of the seasons reminded me of that scene in Twilight where Bella's

[01:07:13] sitting looking at her window.

[01:07:15] Oh my god.

[01:07:16] And the season's changed.

[01:07:18] I was just like, I don't know what that says about me, though. That's the first thing

[01:07:22] that popped into my head, but there we are.

[01:07:26] That you're a big Twilight fan, that's all.

[01:07:27] Oh my gosh.

[01:07:28] Oh my gosh.

[01:07:29] Mm.

[01:07:30] Mm.

[01:07:31] I don't know, I'm not sure, but maybe Ellucian

[01:07:35] I will talk about the timing more.

[01:07:37] I bet.

[01:07:38] I'll get into it.

[01:07:39] Because it said Rick was, it said five years

[01:07:41] since the bridge when Rick started his story.

[01:07:44] But then we saw him do his CRM training. And I think they said that would take a year, Because it said five years since the bridge when Rick started his story.

[01:07:45] But then we saw him do his CRM training.

[01:07:47] And I think they said that would take a year, which would put him at six years since the

[01:07:50] bridge.

[01:07:51] And then when they showed Michonne's story, it started at six years since the bridge.

[01:07:54] So then why would they then put her out seven years?

[01:07:57] But maybe there was actually more time in between when we first saw Rick at five years

[01:08:01] since.

[01:08:02] Maybe there was a couple years in there.

[01:08:03] There had to be some time because he cut off his hand.

[01:08:04] He had to have time to like recover

[01:08:06] from that. Yeah. I mean, there was at least a year of training with the CRM, but that

[01:08:10] would put them right about at the same moment. And then she goes and spends another year.

[01:08:17] But so I'm not sure. But and I also, you know, it does really seem like they were trying

[01:08:24] to show seasons, but maybe there's does really seem like they were trying to show seasons, but maybe

[01:08:27] there's a slight possibility they were just trying to show that some time pass because

[01:08:30] the weather changes a lot in the east coast, right?

[01:08:35] It's not just winter, snowy in the winter and yeah, it goes back and forth.

[01:08:42] But I mean, I don't know.

[01:08:43] Maybe that's too complicated though. maybe they were clearly just trying to show

[01:08:46] that a year passed.

[01:08:48] Wish we could ask somebody,

[01:08:49] or maybe they've said as much in interviews off to go look.

[01:08:53] There might be something.

[01:08:54] Yeah.

[01:08:55] Okay, Andrew, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[01:08:58] Thomas had a great call there.

[01:09:00] And you mentioned a lot of things about tonight's

[01:09:05] career, how she brings light to the show. And I love that you said

[01:09:07] that it's so true. So different from when Michelle first showed up

[01:09:11] and she was all closed off. But now there's just so much heart

[01:09:14] there. I mean, there was heart to the beginning, but she just

[01:09:16] was like kind of calloused over. But anyway,

[01:09:19] when she smiles like when she has a her genuine smile, not her

[01:09:24] calculated Michelle smile,

[01:09:26] but like there's a different smile she has

[01:09:29] when she's truly having a joyous moment.

[01:09:31] And it really does light up the screen.

[01:09:34] It's like what they used to call like a thousand watt smile.

[01:09:38] Like it's just, it takes over her whole face.

[01:09:42] And I wish I could send your call to deni-grir because I bet she would love to hear that.

[01:09:47] Yeah.

[01:09:48] She should have that smile.

[01:09:50] I did love her kind of subtle acting choices too, not to go on a tangent, but when she

[01:09:56] was being interviewed at the CRM and her voice, the register was just slightly higher pitched.

[01:10:03] Yeah.

[01:10:04] And different from the amount she's trying to be a dux. I was like, oh, it was like, slightly higher pitched. Yeah. Different from the

[01:10:05] she's trying to be a D.

[01:10:06] I was like, ooh, I was like, yep, good choice.

[01:10:09] Although she is an A through and through.

[01:10:11] So that's going to be interesting.

[01:10:12] Yeah.

[01:10:13] I mean, she's even just her body language is a little less

[01:10:16] sure and she seems to be like.

[01:10:20] Lower movement.

[01:10:21] Ooh, ooh, maybe.

[01:10:22] In some energetic way looking for approval in a way that Michelle never would or something

[01:10:26] like leaning in in a way eagerness.

[01:10:30] It brings to mind Carol when they first got to Alexandria, right?

[01:10:34] Yeah.

[01:10:35] When she was all like, oh, I don't know how to hold the rifle.

[01:10:37] Like, yeah, but more subtle.

[01:10:40] But more subtle.

[01:10:42] And then he mentioned in I agree or writing.

[01:10:44] I mean, she's, I think she's considered one of the showrunners or at least a creator.

[01:10:48] So I, she probably has a hand in the story of every single episode, but she's listed

[01:10:53] as a writer for episode four.

[01:10:56] So that's really where we'll get to see what she does with the script.

[01:10:59] That'll be interesting.

[01:11:00] That'll be fun for sure.

[01:11:03] Okay.

[01:11:04] Next up, Andrea.

[01:11:06] Andrea Maitland said, hi, Jason and Lucy.

[01:11:10] I had mixed feelings about last night's episode.

[01:11:13] I definitely liked it and I love the new characters, especially Nat.

[01:11:17] I also yelled no at the screen when they shot him.

[01:11:20] I liked him right from the start and it hoped he would hang out for a while. The part after they got gassed by the CRM is the part I was a little about.

[01:11:29] I don't know if I missed something, but where did they get the oxygen from?

[01:11:34] If you know, I would genuinely like to know where it came from.

[01:11:37] They were in a town.

[01:11:39] Yeah, I assume they incorporated.

[01:11:41] I mean, it's pretty convenient that there was so much of it, but Michelle said,

[01:11:44] there was a medical plaza back there, whatever that means.

[01:11:48] Yeah.

[01:11:49] Well, in the furniture store they were in was impeccably clean.

[01:11:52] Yeah, not picked over.

[01:11:54] So, you know, maybe they just hit the jackpot.

[01:11:59] She said the reunion of Rick and Michonne beautiful.

[01:12:02] There was something about Rick I couldn't put my finger on.

[01:12:04] And then Lucy said Rick was so broken and I thought yes that's it. But

[01:12:09] seeing them make out like high school kids was so heartwarming and sweet. I

[01:12:13] feel like Michonne woke Rick up from a nightmare and he will start to find

[01:12:17] himself again. The way Michonne was talking when they were interrogating her

[01:12:22] reminded me. Oh my g just got a one Carol.

[01:12:26] Great minds, Andrea.

[01:12:28] When Carol played the meek little woman in Alexandria, both of them so good.

[01:12:34] Seeing Jada's at the end was awesome also.

[01:12:37] So I guess for the most part, I liked it.

[01:12:40] Talking it out with you made me realize it.

[01:12:42] Ha ha.

[01:12:43] Thank you again, Jason and Lucy Lucy you guys are rock stars. Oh

[01:12:47] Thanks, Andrea

[01:12:51] Oh, here's another one from Danielle de Mett jokes to says I thought the gas man had done that to himself

[01:12:57] Before he turned in order to be helpful somehow

[01:13:02] So he maybe knew he was gonna, he got bitten and he's like, I'm going to be

[01:13:09] won't roaming around. So I'll tie some gas to myself and write, help yourself on myself.

[01:13:15] Maybe we'll see it if they ever do another tail's the walking dead.

[01:13:19] Maybe she says it's a little stupid, but that's how I understood. I mean, yeah,

[01:13:24] that's just as good a theory as anything Daniel.

[01:13:26] Probably probably you're probably right.

[01:13:28] His chomping head with spine hanging out was really cool.

[01:13:31] And he did seem to be unaffected by the explosion that distracted all the other walkers.

[01:13:35] Maybe he was deaf in life.

[01:13:36] Add another little complication to his storyline.

[01:13:40] I find it really interesting that they made a point of introducing variants and then they

[01:13:44] just poof disappeared.

[01:13:45] I know. I know it was probably more of a retcon of early walkers than anything,

[01:13:49] but they've made them canon now. So where are they? Yeah. Good question.

[01:13:54] It appears. Aidan bit Bailey. Her mouth had blood around it and there was blood on the pillow

[01:14:00] next to her in the bed. Oh my God. So he did fall asleep next to her.

[01:14:05] I am a show told not to all tragic. All in all, this was a

[01:14:09] really good episode and I love seeing Rick and Michonne together.

[01:14:11] Michonne's decision not to tell Rick about RJ or anything else

[01:14:14] that has gone on in his absence is interesting. She's like, there

[01:14:18] were these people who wore zombie masks. It was nuts.

[01:14:23] I hate that Jadis is going to fuck everything up, but I do enjoy her.

[01:14:27] She developed into a much more interesting character in World Beyond, and it would seem

[01:14:31] she is continuing the same here.

[01:14:33] I totally agree.

[01:14:34] Last thought, the CRM may be somewhat realistic look at what might happen in a similar circumstance.

[01:14:40] Civilians have historically turned a blind eye to what the military is doing in the interest of keeping them safe

[01:14:46] This isn't really all that far-fetched if you think about it

[01:14:49] That is true. Yeah, that's a good point that part of the CRM. I believe it's like there

[01:14:54] sources and

[01:14:55] You know manufacturing abilities that I question oh

[01:14:59] Yeah, right. Yeah, did you guys notice the protesters in the park last week with the CRM transparency now signs?

[01:15:07] I posted some pictures in the Facebook group.

[01:15:09] Love to you both. No, I did not notice that, but that definitely goes along with

[01:15:13] story we heard about in the world beyond.

[01:15:16] Yeah, that checks out.

[01:15:18] Yeah, I didn't notice those protesters until Daniel posted the photos.

[01:15:23] Good catch. Yeah, that's cool.

[01:15:25] Good catch.

[01:15:26] All right.

[01:15:27] Here's another call.

[01:15:28] This one from Jacqueline Haley.

[01:15:31] Hey guys, Jackie calling in from Australia, um, episode two.

[01:15:35] Oh my God.

[01:15:36] It delivered.

[01:15:36] It delivered on all fronts.

[01:15:39] Nat is the funnest, most amazing character.

[01:15:42] And I am devastated that they killed him off.

[01:15:44] I can't...

[01:15:45] No words.

[01:15:47] I'm actually really pissed about that.

[01:15:49] But the reunion, that was everything.

[01:15:52] It was everything I needed it to be.

[01:15:54] I'm so happy.

[01:15:56] Jadis, far out, can she die?

[01:15:58] I can't believe she's popped her head back up, and this is where she's coming from.

[01:16:03] Really pissed about that. And I love that Michonne is doing a carol and pretending to be

[01:16:08] subservient.

[01:16:09] I just think that's awesome.

[01:16:10] Can't wait to see how this all goes and where it leads.

[01:16:13] See you.

[01:16:14] That was awesome.

[01:16:16] Thanks Jackie.

[01:16:17] I think that was, uh, was that your first time calling Jackie?

[01:16:19] Call it again.

[01:16:20] That was great.

[01:16:21] Yeah.

[01:16:22] I love how many different accents we get to hear on the feedback.

[01:16:25] I know.

[01:16:26] So much fun.

[01:16:27] Alma Contreras says, Oh, my goodness.

[01:16:30] This episode did not disappoint.

[01:16:32] I was completely distraught sobbing face emoji throughout F the CRM.

[01:16:38] They are villains just as I thought, flying around, killing people for no

[01:16:42] apparent reason and in a despicable way.

[01:16:44] And what is that? A like hand slapping face emoji? Yeah. First off, I was completely wrong in my theory

[01:16:50] that Michonne had somehow made it to Omaha, clown face. I like how this story played out,

[01:16:56] because Michonne needed to have witnessed some of the atrocious acts by the CRM to develop a

[01:17:01] big hate towards them. Oof, I can't wait to see her bring them down.

[01:17:06] I really don't know what Michonne was thinking running at that gigantic herd by herself,

[01:17:10] another face slap emoji, which brings me to her newfound homies, Nat. I loved him.

[01:17:16] He was definitely a much needed character with a useful talent. Those bombs were super cool.

[01:17:22] As far as the couple goes, I was extremely sad with their demise.

[01:17:26] Another sob face emoji.

[01:17:28] Michonne warned him, but he, with his love for her,

[01:17:31] probably fell asleep comforting her.

[01:17:33] Ugh, I get all teary talking about this scene.

[01:17:36] Okay, seeing Michonne weeping took me out.

[01:17:39] Sob emoji.

[01:17:40] Why did Rick not run with Michonne once they reunited?

[01:17:43] So now Michonne is stuck just like him, angry face emoji.

[01:17:47] I can't tell y'all how much rage I felt when I seen Jadis more angry face emojis.

[01:17:53] All I can say is I am so ready for her to meet her end.

[01:17:56] Great episode filled with so many emotional moments that really shook me to my core.

[01:18:01] Sorry my comment was so long, shrug emoji.

[01:18:04] Oh, PS Lucy, I think you were right about how much time passed in the mall. I think it was about a

[01:18:08] year. Kissy face emoji. Thanks, Alma.

[01:18:13] I love Alma's feedback. It always cracks me up. She's so animated.

[01:18:19] Oh, man. She's a next passionate. Oh, yeah. That's for sure.

[01:18:21] Oh man, she's next. Passionate.

[01:18:22] Oh yeah, that's for sure.

[01:18:25] Josie Bowen Echdel said, I agree with Stephen above that the first half with Michonne's

[01:18:32] new friends was very tropey and I was slightly irritated watching.

[01:18:37] I liked it a bit more the second watch and it was obviously necessary for us to see her

[01:18:41] side of the journey and for her to come in already hating the CRM,

[01:18:46] but it just didn't do it for me. It was still quality. And if it had been an episode of the OG

[01:18:51] show, it would have been great. But compared to the season premiere of The Ones Who Live,

[01:18:57] it just fell flat to me. Michonne is the biggest A character of all time. Yeah. She exudes a energy and I

[01:19:05] fear that is going to be problematic for she and Rick at

[01:19:08] the CRM. I just don't see how someone isn't going to figure

[01:19:12] it out. It's like at Terminus when they said she looks like a

[01:19:15] weapon with a weapon. Right. That's Michelle. Yeah. A

[01:19:20] weapon with a weapon is an excellent, excellent comparison.

[01:19:25] After she said, I just don't see how someone isn't going to A weapon with a weapon is an excellent, excellent comparison.

[01:19:27] After she said, I just don't see how someone isn't going to figure it out.

[01:19:28] She said, also, I didn't feel like Rick 100%

[01:19:31] conveyed the severity of the consequences

[01:19:33] if she didn't do what he said.

[01:19:35] He could have said, they'll find Judith,

[01:19:37] they'll kill you, et cetera.

[01:19:39] I know he had limited time,

[01:19:41] but he could have given him a little bit more

[01:19:43] of a clue of his reasoning.

[01:19:45] It was communicated in looks and longing glances, and I felt they needed more dialogue in that scene.

[01:19:51] As much as I was appreciating the tender moment between them, where he pulled her in that room,

[01:19:58] I was stressed as hell thinking they were going to get walked in on. That just makes it better.

[01:20:03] Never mind. I just want them to have all this

[01:20:06] conversation and catch up on every little detail, mainly RJ. They're like, it's so hot when we think

[01:20:12] that the some authoritarian group is going to come in and interrupt and murder you. Yeah.

[01:20:18] Totally hot. I do think Michonne made the smart choice and not telling him about RJ in the moment.

[01:20:25] However, I think Rick would potentially make even more stupid wrists.

[01:20:30] If he knew he had a whole child he needed to make up for lost time with.

[01:20:35] I don't know why, but while watching, I forgot about Jada.

[01:20:38] So when I saw she was in Rick's room, I yelled, fuck.

[01:20:42] That makes things 1000 times more complicated. Can't wait to watch

[01:20:47] Rick and Michonne's dynamic with her and how that story unfolds. Can't wait to hear your thoughts.

[01:20:54] Nice. Yeah. That's going to be interesting.

[01:20:59] All right. Here's a call from Archmeister Rennie.

[01:21:02] Here's a call from Archmaster Renney.

[01:21:07] I liked this episode and I have questions.

[01:21:15] First question, why don't Michonne and her friends ask who has a helicopter a decade into the apocalypse?

[01:21:16] They don't seem to be at all astonished that a helicopter just casts them and that strikes

[01:21:24] me as strange.

[01:21:27] I'll pause it.

[01:21:28] I mean, I think they're too busy like dying.

[01:21:32] Yeah.

[01:21:33] They're just like, we can't breathe.

[01:21:36] Why is there a helicopter?

[01:21:37] No, I'm just kidding.

[01:21:39] I'm sure over the course of that.

[01:21:41] Maybe like they settled down, yeah.

[01:21:43] Year.

[01:21:44] They talked about it.

[01:21:45] Yeah.

[01:21:46] That is a good point.

[01:21:48] It does seem like you'd be wondering why.

[01:21:51] Okay.

[01:21:52] The next thing is that when Rick says that his hand happened the last time he tried

[01:21:57] to escape, the way that I would normally interpret somebody saying the last time would

[01:22:02] be to mean the most recent time, not the final

[01:22:06] time.

[01:22:07] Yeah, it's a good point.

[01:22:08] But Michonne clearly interprets it as the final time, which I think actually is just

[01:22:14] a little bit of strained writing to make her question why he hasn't gotten back to them

[01:22:20] since he's alive. Then my last question is this, is her saying her name is Dana, is the name Dana a callback

[01:22:30] to something that I'm not remembering? Is there a reason why she's choosing Dana? You

[01:22:37] know, she says she was in Georgia and she used a Bose staff. And so that's a reference

[01:22:43] to Morgan, right?

[01:22:45] So I think she could have just said her name was Morgan

[01:22:48] because Morgan is a name that goes both ways, always.

[01:22:52] Anybody can be named Morgan.

[01:22:54] That might have been kind of cool, but also a little weird.

[01:22:56] So I see why they didn't do that, but Dana,

[01:22:59] tell me about Dana.

[01:23:00] All right, thank you.

[01:23:02] I really like the spoilery after bits that you're doing on the podcast because I have

[01:23:09] seen World Beyond and it's interesting to hear your observations on how they fit together.

[01:23:16] Bye.

[01:23:17] Good.

[01:23:18] I'm glad.

[01:23:19] Thanks, Rani.

[01:23:20] I'm glad you are liking that.

[01:23:22] I'm glad to hear that it's worthwhile for people.

[01:23:24] I don't think Dana is something that we know,

[01:23:27] but maybe it will be revealed.

[01:23:30] Yeah, I think it's just,

[01:23:31] I mean, I've always liked the name Dana,

[01:23:33] but it's just kind of an unobtrusive name,

[01:23:35] to make yourself feel more normal, less A-like.

[01:23:41] Yeah.

[01:23:42] I looked it up, Renny, and what Rick said was it happened a long time ago about his hand,

[01:23:52] one of the last times I tried to get home. So I think that's a little bit different than saying

[01:23:57] the last time I tried to get home, because that would clearly just most people would take that to

[01:24:02] mean the most recent time, but he's saying one of the last times.

[01:24:06] So it is a bit still strained writing, but I think that more might say, you know,

[01:24:11] I tried a few times, but that's over now.

[01:24:16] All right.

[01:24:17] Archmeister and he's going to be on for one of the, um,

[01:24:20] watch episodes coming up pretty soon too.

[01:24:22] Awesome.

[01:24:22] I'm forward to that.

[01:24:23] I always love her insight.

[01:24:32] Yeah. Absolutely. Jennifer McGinley says I didn't love episode one enjoyed this one much better but do have a few moans groans and grops.

[01:24:44] Once again we meet a group doing the doing fantastic during the day getting on well and surviving they have the misfortune to bump into our trepid heroes and suddenly die I I was thinking that too. We haven't really said it, but maybe the worst thing

[01:24:47] that happened to Nat, Bailey, and Aiden

[01:24:49] was they met someone from The Walking Dead.

[01:24:53] Amazingly, the only folk who survived the chemical attack

[01:24:56] are Michonne and her three new best buddies

[01:24:58] who in turn die as well.

[01:25:00] Talk about a negative mitus touch.

[01:25:02] Seemed to me they ran into a department store, nice beds, etc.

[01:25:06] Where the fuck did the oxygen come from?

[01:25:08] And where the fuck did Michelle's knowledge of how to treat symptoms of chemical warfare?

[01:25:12] What a woman.

[01:25:13] Tropy McTrop.

[01:25:14] Baddie comes to visit, has whiskey.

[01:25:17] Reminded me, that's awesome.

[01:25:20] Reminding me of one of my favorite scenes where Rick was meeting the governor.

[01:25:23] You're the town drunk who tore up my yard. I

[01:25:26] Don't know what that references. Oh, I loved Rick saying that but the bit I really love is the governor shouts

[01:25:32] I brought whiskey. Oh that tickles me to no end. I don't remember that

[01:25:37] I remember him saying I brought whiskey it was when they had the meeting where

[01:25:42] The governor asked him to get it to show. The talk turns out.

[01:25:46] I mean, as usual, what I remember the most about that is the bad lip reading because he's

[01:25:51] going, a boo, boo, boo, boo, boo.

[01:25:53] What was it for you, Juan?

[01:25:57] He said, hate Jada, no idea why this character is still here.

[01:26:03] Her introduction with the rest of the garbage crew was one of the worst storylines walking

[01:26:06] dead ever insulted us with.

[01:26:08] She's got such a lady boner for Rick, hasn't she?

[01:26:11] Yes, she does.

[01:26:12] Jennifer's gonna.

[01:26:13] She's determined to get the big D. Still biting the leg off her since she chanced her

[01:26:19] arm at the junkyard.

[01:26:22] No chance, Jade, you're on to plums.

[01:26:25] Ask Lucy.

[01:26:26] Oh man, I wish Lucy was here to translate this.

[01:26:27] Oh, she's got a change.

[01:26:29] So that's the moaning over.

[01:26:31] The rest was great.

[01:26:32] Loved how the, I assume Jennifer,

[01:26:34] you did not watch World Beyond

[01:26:36] because I feel like most people who did that

[01:26:37] have a little bit more regard for Jadis

[01:26:39] as an interesting character, but I could be wrong.

[01:26:41] Anyway, so that's the moaning over.

[01:26:42] The rest was great.

[01:26:43] Loved how the Red Sea of Zeds parted. totally exactly where Michelle was standing not a few hundred yards to

[01:26:49] the left or right of her but right where she was. I don't care it looked cool as fuck. Easy to

[01:26:54] believe why she was looking at the faces of the helicopter crew after what they did to her new

[01:26:58] friends as it seemed pretty silly in episode one that she just appeared to unmask Rick for no

[01:27:03] apparent reason. Yeah sorry to see there's no new Adam Nagate-us types for me to swoon over,

[01:27:10] but Rick still looking mighty fine. Love you all at HP, I guess, House Bakaasca. Keep up the work.

[01:27:17] XX. Yeah, I think Rick looks better than he did. Yeah, he's looking great. He's looking great. His facial hair is like perfect.

[01:27:26] Yeah, it's exactly the right amount.

[01:27:28] Yeah.

[01:27:29] Welcome to Light Objectification with Penny and Kara.

[01:27:33] Very light.

[01:27:36] This is very appropriate that Becky is next.

[01:27:39] Yeah, Becky, who is a super fan on StillSling,

[01:27:43] writes it Becky Anderson. Hey, everyone, the ones who live episode two.

[01:27:48] I really loved Rick's episode, and this one was just as good.

[01:27:53] A great cast of characters was added this week, absolutely bummed.

[01:27:56] They all were gone by the end.

[01:27:58] Happy to see a little person in the spotlight.

[01:28:00] Matthew is a great actor, and the chemistry between him and Michonne was beautiful.

[01:28:04] Nice to find out where her cool clothing came from.

[01:28:06] Great scene when the walkers parted. Very Moses parts the red sea-like.

[01:28:11] Slow start, but they more than made up for it the remainder of the episode.

[01:28:16] So many heartbreaking scenes. It was so sad to watch them all suffering from the

[01:28:20] effects of the gas. Makeup for the zombies was incredible. I feel the gassing scene was believable, was a believable way to bring Michonne and the

[01:28:29] Rick slash CRM storyline together. Kudos to Dana and Andrew for killing their

[01:28:35] scenes together. Oh, I think Danae and Andrew.

[01:28:38] Danae, oh maybe that's why Danae sort of like a planned

[01:28:41] Danae. Yeah. The smile on her face when she realized it was him was beautiful.

[01:28:47] It was very telling of the strength and trust of their relationship when he said, I'm not

[01:28:51] with them.

[01:28:52] And she simply replied and said, I know.

[01:28:55] Rick dragging her into the garage to make out was precious.

[01:28:58] Get it, Rick, with a little winky emoji.

[01:29:01] I thought her decision not to mention RJ was interesting.

[01:29:04] I like the hesitation. It leads me to believe that is going to be a much larger part of the story later on.

[01:29:09] Deny has done a wonderful job honing her acting skills.

[01:29:13] The range of emotions she showed seemed so real and natural the whole episode.

[01:29:17] Her selling her story to the CRM was so well done.

[01:29:21] I feel like them telling her she cannot ever leave gave her more perspective

[01:29:25] on why Rick is still there for them. Great look at how big the CRM through Michonne's,

[01:29:31] how big the CRM is through Michonne's eyes as she takes in the view on top of the trailer.

[01:29:37] That was an awesome shot. That was with the as Lucy called it check-offs later.

[01:29:42] Yeah, that was awesome.

[01:29:43] with the, as Lucy called it, check-offs later. Yeah, that was awesome.

[01:29:45] Jadis, man, she came in with a bang.

[01:29:48] I have to ask you this question,

[01:29:49] and I'm sorry for the language,

[01:29:51] but you've heard a lot of language from me.

[01:29:52] Yes, yes, yes.

[01:29:54] Rick, what the fuck are you doing?

[01:29:56] That whole speech was intense and intimidating.

[01:29:59] Rick looked scared, he did look scared.

[01:30:02] Pollyanna was made for this role.

[01:30:04] I liked getting more insight into why she hasn't sold out Rick.

[01:30:07] Their deal is important for both.

[01:30:10] She cannot sell him out without jeopardizing her own situation, but I do believe her when

[01:30:14] she said she would take out everyone he loves.

[01:30:17] She is so unpredictable, so who knows, but I'm hoping she ends up being a good guy in

[01:30:22] the end, looking forward to seeing her more.

[01:30:29] I was worried this show would disappoint like Fear the Walking Dead did, but I am happy with it.

[01:30:31] For the seas so far.

[01:30:33] I am here for everything happening. Can't wait for the next episode.

[01:30:34] Until next time, have a great week and weekend.

[01:30:37] Thanks Becky.

[01:30:38] I still expected you to sign off with girl.

[01:30:41] I was thinking.

[01:30:42] I bet if she knew you two were going to be on here. She's probably like,

[01:30:46] Oh, cool. Yeah. It's funny and care. Thanks, Becky. All right. Here's Jenny Ryan who didn't like the

[01:30:54] first episode. So we'll see which thinks about this one. Hello, Jenny from Saskatoon here. I'm calling about episode two of the ones who live. I have to admit, this call is much more subdued, low-key.

[01:31:12] I'm not filled with rage.

[01:31:16] Like I was for the last one because I actually quite like this episode.

[01:31:19] So I don't have a lot of strong feelings to share.

[01:31:22] So forgive me if this call is a bit boring. I did want to point out a couple of strong feelings to share. So forgive me if this calls a bit boring.

[01:31:26] I did want to point out a couple of things.

[01:31:28] Number one, why is that perfume counter on fire

[01:31:33] when Michelle goes in and finds Nat hiding behind

[01:31:37] that counter?

[01:31:39] How did that happen?

[01:31:41] What did he like that perfume counter on fire?

[01:31:42] That just attracts the walkers?

[01:31:45] Anyway, number two, if you knew that there was a huge migration of zombies parading across

[01:31:53] the continent every year, twice a year for almost like a decade, why would you in your

[01:31:59] community not work to blow it up?

[01:32:02] Like if people know that they are there, I feel like somebody should be.

[01:32:08] Shouldn't the CRM be focused on that?

[01:32:10] Blow up that rather than, you know, humans who are alive.

[01:32:18] I wanna know how Michonne is keeping her hair cut short.

[01:32:22] I feel like that's never been addressed.

[01:32:24] I've never seen her cut it. Just let it grow, buzz it off. I don't know.

[01:32:29] It's cool, but like how and why. I do think it's interesting that when Michonne

[01:32:40] and Rick reunited, it was very nice, but I didn't trust Rick in that scene. I didn't know

[01:32:48] if I could trust him. I didn't know if he was really all there, which you discussed. And then

[01:32:54] when Nat dies, he's like fully invested in the romance. It's like what he's living for, and I

[01:32:59] was dying for it. And he knew Sonofric is still him. Emish on is like yeah sure he's

[01:33:06] him but like he's not so I really hope that he either comes back or like is

[01:33:11] effectively useless and Emish on just leaves him there and takes out I don't

[01:33:16] know anyway I feel like we're not we haven't seen the end of that. I agree with

[01:33:20] that personality shift. I did think it was fun how the people left the group of people.

[01:33:28] We only knew the names of the three, but there was other people from the convoy who joined

[01:33:31] Michonne.

[01:33:33] And like, why would you give up, you know, a relatively safe environment?

[01:33:36] Yeah, they abandoned people, but like, you know, food, housing, safety, security, why

[01:33:41] would they leave it just to follow this woman? They'd only known for 12 hours

[01:33:45] and I think it's because in the

[01:33:48] Zombie apocalypse there isn't television and as we know we like stories and this is like following machona's like being in an immersive

[01:33:56] so

[01:34:00] Just in in the story now, which I thought like they're about bored. Anyway, and I did like how when Michonne and Rick only found each other, then as soon as

[01:34:12] they both decided to stop looking.

[01:34:14] So it's like, you know, the watchpot that never boils.

[01:34:17] So it was only when they had given up looking that they found each other, which I thought

[01:34:20] was kind of poetic that happened with both of them. And the last thing I wanted to say was thank you for calling the walkers Zeds as a Canadian.

[01:34:34] I appreciate this.

[01:34:35] Lucy, I hope this is your influence.

[01:34:37] Because otherwise you'd just be calling them Zs, which is weird. Sounding, said says better.

[01:34:46] Z heads, is that what you would call them?

[01:34:49] Anyway, okay, goodbye.

[01:34:51] That's funny.

[01:34:53] Hey Z heads.

[01:34:54] I like the idea of an immersive soap opera.

[01:34:57] Yeah.

[01:34:59] We call them undead heads early on because it was like a play on

[01:35:04] Grateful Dead Deadheads.

[01:35:05] Oh yeah.

[01:35:06] And then we started calling them Z-heads.

[01:35:07] I remember that.

[01:35:08] Just because I thought that sounded cool.

[01:35:10] I agree.

[01:35:11] And then we found out from Chris and Jason of the Talking Dead podcast that Z is Z in Canada.

[01:35:18] I think you were saying why doesn't the CRM focus on the zombies?

[01:35:27] And in World Beyond, you see they have their developing ways of eliminating mass

[01:35:35] amounts of zombies all at once.

[01:35:38] So that was an interesting part of, so they're focused on that part too, but they

[01:35:43] have a lot of resources they can kill zombies and innocent people too.

[01:35:47] It really is helpful to have the context from World Beyond.

[01:35:52] Yeah. For sure. And Pollyanna McIntosh, I think she might have, I don't know if she

[01:35:57] chose to have that haircut, but she had some rationale for why Jadis would do that. And

[01:36:04] I wish I could remember what the hell it was.

[01:36:06] It looks even worse in this episode

[01:36:09] than it did on World Beyond.

[01:36:11] It's like so awkward and uncomfortable to look at.

[01:36:13] But I think she likes making people uncomfortable.

[01:36:17] Yeah.

[01:36:18] Yeah, right.

[01:36:19] She's not trying to impress anyone.

[01:36:22] No.

[01:36:23] All right.

[01:36:24] Next up is Jody Lengridge.

[01:36:27] She said, I can honestly say that even if this was a whole episode of Rachon just painting

[01:36:32] their new apartment, I would still watch it three times.

[01:36:36] That's how much I love the show and these two characters.

[01:36:39] I am prepared to file my complaints with the Department of the Suspension of Disbelief

[01:36:43] as and when required just to get the Department of the Suspension of Disbelief as and when required,

[01:36:45] just to get the payoff of each episode. Like a few others in the feedback comments, I also

[01:36:51] rolled my eyes at a number of things in the first half that seemed far-fetched and convenient.

[01:36:56] How come they made that poor guy with the twisted angle hobble along the road whilst

[01:37:01] there was a perfectly good empty chair on that caravan next to Michonne.

[01:37:06] I'm not sure why my brain asked these sorts of questions.

[01:37:10] I think that's fair.

[01:37:12] She said, I actually laughed out loud when the giant horde parted straight down the middle after those explosives, then they all just casually set around the campfire listening to stories about the magic never ending lighter fluid. She said, how many scarves did Michonne

[01:37:27] Pack? I'm pretty sure I counted at least four different ones. Where is she keeping them?

[01:37:33] You sound like me when I'm watching an episode, Jody, in my ADHD brain. She said, I love the

[01:37:40] callback when Michonne saw the helicopter reflecting in the buildings windows,

[01:37:45] just like with Rick in episode one when he rode into Atlanta.

[01:37:48] Once our two lovebirds finally locked eyes, all was forgiven because this was what I was

[01:37:53] here for.

[01:37:54] Goosebumps were real and the beautiful soundtrack did not help my tear duct control.

[01:38:00] I think what made me more upset than anything was how broken Rick was.

[01:38:05] He couldn't look at her, he kept looking down when saying he wasn't with them.

[01:38:09] I think he feels like he let her down by giving up.

[01:38:12] It broke my heart.

[01:38:14] Hollyanna was great in this.

[01:38:16] Jadis is still flirting with Rick and then threatens him.

[01:38:19] I hope we find out what interaction these two have had over the years.

[01:38:23] Still makes me laugh when I think of her saying to Michonne all those years ago.

[01:38:28] He yours, I live with him after.

[01:38:31] So good.

[01:38:33] I am already depressed that we only have former episodes and panicking about losing one of them. As always, thank you both, Jason and Lucy. I actually think my favorite parts of your podcast

[01:38:45] are when either of you go off on a random side note discussion.

[01:38:49] I just love it with multiple heart emojis.

[01:38:52] I like that too.

[01:38:54] Yeah.

[01:38:55] Me too.

[01:38:56] Oh yeah.

[01:38:57] We second and third that.

[01:38:59] Thanks, Joey.

[01:39:00] It's always a good day for me, Jody.

[01:39:03] All right.

[01:39:04] Gloria Herndon says, oh, I can't do this. Please read with my Boston accent.

[01:39:09] Can you do a Boston accent, Penny?

[01:39:11] I could try.

[01:39:14] I can't do it.

[01:39:15] It might be embarrassing.

[01:39:16] I need Daphne.

[01:39:17] Do you want me to just say no and read it?

[01:39:19] Yes, please.

[01:39:20] Because I lived in Boston. I know I can't do it because I lived there for a couple of

[01:39:24] years and I never could pick it up.

[01:39:26] For some reason, I can do English or Southern. I can't do it.

[01:39:31] Sorry. It's hard. I don't have a genuine one, but I do.

[01:39:36] First of all, the gas man is cool. It's look pretty old.

[01:39:40] That's the word New York. Yeah. See, I don't.

[01:39:42] All right. She goes, Hey, Jason Jason Lucy. It's Gloria from Salem the ones who live episode two first of all the gas man

[01:39:52] His corpse look pretty old so he's been out there a while the gas is probably bad now

[01:39:56] I mean the gas should be bad everywhere really

[01:39:59] I have refinery with a bunch of kids working there. Nat is the best. I love him. I need a Nat in my life.

[01:40:05] I wasn't feeling anything for Aidan and Bailey.

[01:40:08] No, I'm not heartless.

[01:40:09] I don't think we had enough time with them,

[01:40:11] but Nat's character was special, right?

[01:40:13] Right away.

[01:40:15] But Sean looked amazing.

[01:40:16] He really hooked her up, that gun missile launcher,

[01:40:19] whatever it was called, screen stick, right?

[01:40:23] I think.

[01:40:24] I think so. Is the thing to have in the apocalypse.

[01:40:26] At first it looked like Michonne was gonna pull a John Snow

[01:40:29] at the Battle of the Masters.

[01:40:32] Just her up against a shitload of Zeds.

[01:40:34] It did look cool.

[01:40:35] Then the parting of the Red Sea, I mean the Sea of Zombies.

[01:40:38] When the three of them showed up,

[01:40:39] I knew they wouldn't survive.

[01:40:41] Everyone must have gotten that feeling right.

[01:40:43] Three people have used the Red Sea metaphor and none of them have called it the ZZC.

[01:40:49] The best opportunity.

[01:40:50] Does ZC.

[01:40:52] I also thought she was going to start going crazy with her katana and just working through them.

[01:40:59] I'm like, what are you doing?

[01:41:00] Yeah, I'm like, you're going to die.

[01:41:02] Chlorine gas is nasty stuff.

[01:41:05] CRM sucks balls.

[01:41:07] Big hairy ones, assholes.

[01:41:09] The rest of this is just curse words.

[01:41:11] Fuck.

[01:41:12] Tell us how you really feel, Gloria.

[01:41:14] Michelle, that's awesome.

[01:41:16] Michelle, I'm looking through all those burnt bodies.

[01:41:18] So sad.

[01:41:19] I'm so glad they didn't make us wait forever for them to reunite.

[01:41:22] Me too.

[01:41:23] Nat getting shot really got me.

[01:41:24] I knew it was coming, but so sudden. Yes sudden yes tears Michelle was so badass killing those guys what a scene

[01:41:30] I could rewatch that over and over so great to see them together again I love that she

[01:41:33] was smiling when the helicopter was approaching oh my god jade us I'm sorry but why does she

[01:41:39] have that haircut and did hair and makeup want her to look like a little Dutch boy?

[01:41:45] It seems like she's in a position of power, but she's not going to help Rick.

[01:41:49] Well, she's sort of helping.

[01:41:50] She's not telling on him.

[01:41:52] I still can't get over the fact that we only get six episodes.

[01:41:56] What the fuck is that?

[01:41:57] Because this story is so good.

[01:41:58] And the Rick and Michonne romance is epic.

[01:42:01] Do you think there'll be a season two?

[01:42:03] I hope so.

[01:42:04] I mean, Gippel said that he would like to do a season two.

[01:42:09] Um, he said even if Rick dies because he doesn't want to spoil whether Rick survives.

[01:42:14] But, um, I think given that, well, as you'll hear in the news, the show's doing well.

[01:42:19] So I would be surprised if there wasn't a season two at this point.

[01:42:23] I hope so too.

[01:42:25] Yeah. All right so too. Yeah.

[01:42:27] All right.

[01:42:27] One more call and that's from Sam from Boston.

[01:42:31] Hi, Jason and Lucy.

[01:42:32] It's Sam from Boston.

[01:42:34] Yay.

[01:42:34] We got our reshone moment.

[01:42:37] Oh, it was as amazing as I hoped it would be and more and everyone did a

[01:42:43] phenomenal job, at least like for me watching it. It was just

[01:42:47] absolutely incredible, directing, writing, and of course the acting. Oh my goodness.

[01:42:53] And we got the reshone moment in the middle of a tragedy sandwich, as is the walking dead.

[01:42:58] In the beginning, gotta say it was a little bored by the care bear people that Michelle

[01:43:03] met up with in the beginning.

[01:43:04] I was like, oh boy, they're like, we love you, Matt. I didn't gotta say it was a little bored by the care bear people that Michonne met up with in the beginning.

[01:43:05] I was like, oh boy, they're like, we love you, Nat.

[01:43:07] And I'm like, oh gosh, which show is this again?

[01:43:10] And then of course they all die horribly.

[01:43:13] This is like, oh yeah, there we go.

[01:43:15] Thank you, Walking Dead.

[01:43:17] But yeah, that was really sad.

[01:43:18] I'm not ready for them to die either.

[01:43:20] And not Michonne and everyone there

[01:43:23] with their tethered voice from Jordan Beals Us.

[01:43:27] It was like it made me laugh even though it was not a funny situation.

[01:43:30] It was really horrific.

[01:43:32] I was like, oh, just the raspiness just cut through me.

[01:43:36] And then of course we got the re-show moment and followed by Nat's really sad death.

[01:43:41] I wanted him to go to Alexandria and it totally makes sense narratively why that couldn't have happened.

[01:43:46] Speaking of which stuff that probably shouldn't have happened,

[01:43:49] Rick's reasoning for him to stay,

[01:43:51] and Michonne to stay would have made sense

[01:43:53] if he was like, hey, they told me,

[01:43:55] if I go back to Alexandria, the CRM will destroy everyone I love.

[01:43:59] So we need to go inside, like sleeper agents,

[01:44:02] like the Trojan horse into the CRM.

[01:44:05] And then we'll destroy them.

[01:44:06] And that's how I can end up backing Alexandria with you.

[01:44:09] But that's not his reasoning.

[01:44:10] He's like, they're right around the corner.

[01:44:12] It's like, sir, I don't, I don't, they're going to look at the crash site for survivors.

[01:44:15] There's trees.

[01:44:16] I don't know.

[01:44:17] Make a run for it.

[01:44:18] But like, I don't know.

[01:44:19] It all of it seemed really weird and didn't seem like our usual Rick.

[01:44:22] And he's really usually good under pressure like this and Michonne noticed it was a little off too

[01:44:27] because she didn't want to tell him more about RJ and everything. She's like hmm

[01:44:29] he is acting strange and then of course we get Jadis who when she showed up on

[01:44:35] my screen I was like oh no and then Polly on a Macintosh reminded me why I

[01:44:39] love her and she just like like just leads with her Rick boner. I'm just like, hey, still looking good, Rick.

[01:44:49] Yes, Jadis, we all have eyes and I appreciate you.

[01:44:52] So what do you think, you know,

[01:44:53] Jadis is gonna fit in the story about causing the chaos?

[01:44:57] I think she's gonna make it a lot more interesting.

[01:44:59] Oh yeah.

[01:45:00] How's that?

[01:45:00] Little light blackmail-ish.

[01:45:03] It'll be fun.

[01:45:04] No, I think that Rick,

[01:45:06] Michonne, and Jadis are going to form a Thrupple and then escape the CRM together.

[01:45:12] In the comics, I feel like that would be a good trajectory.

[01:45:17] Maybe Jadis and Michonne will fall in love and Rick will be like, what?

[01:45:21] Oh snap.

[01:45:22] Mrs. Stillilier, girl. the

[01:45:52] obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens

[01:45:54] the people it kills get up and tell

[01:45:56] are they slow-moving to you

[01:45:57] yeah they're dead

[01:45:59] almost up

[01:46:01] this is a walking deadcast news update

[01:46:04] tip-to-the the cast of us.

[01:46:07] So per the Hollywood Reporter, the ones who live got 3 million viewers over 3 days for

[01:46:14] AMC, which is the best series debut performance they've had in almost 6 years since the terror

[01:46:19] in 2018, which had then dominant Walking dead flagship as a lead in. They don't share AMC, they don't share data for AMC plus the streaming platform as like

[01:46:31] most streaming services don't.

[01:46:33] But they said the ones who live premiere was the most watched episode of any show on the

[01:46:36] service, drawing more AMC plus viewing in two days than any other season premiere had

[01:46:41] in a full week.

[01:46:43] And that Sunday was the biggest day for direct to consumer sign-up since AMC Plus launched.

[01:46:48] So it's doing well.

[01:46:51] It's the most successful spin-off of Walking Dead for sure.

[01:46:55] And I'm glad to hear that.

[01:46:56] I'm glad I'm not totally surprised, but I'm glad enough people are still interested to

[01:47:00] come back.

[01:47:01] It's encouraging.

[01:47:02] Yeah.

[01:47:03] Entertainment Weekly talked with Ni Guerira and Andrew Lincoln about the episode, mostly

[01:47:08] about, well, the stuff I have is about Nat.

[01:47:13] The actor is Matthew August Jeffers and Michonne starred on stage with him in Shakespeare's

[01:47:20] Richard III.

[01:47:21] I mean, not Michonne, the Ni Garera.

[01:47:24] And Ni Gy Guerrero said,

[01:47:25] he's just a very impressive young man

[01:47:27] and I can't wait for the world to get to know him

[01:47:29] in this role.

[01:47:29] I think he was just utterly fantastic

[01:47:32] and Andrew Lincoln concurred saying,

[01:47:33] I agree with you so much charisma,

[01:47:35] that gentleman, what a great actor.

[01:47:39] They asked about the show introducing seemingly major

[01:47:42] characters and then killing them off two episodes in a row

[01:47:45] with Okofornat, Aiden and Bailey, and Denigerir said, that's the show man, that's the show,

[01:47:51] that's the Walking Dead idea of we're going to make you love someone, but this world doesn't

[01:47:56] allow people to just go on. It's so perilous that you can't get too attached to anybody really.

[01:48:01] That's vintage Walking Dead. Andrew Lincoln added the reverb of these characters

[01:48:07] in Michonne and in Rick plays out very much throughout

[01:48:10] the whole of the rest of the season.

[01:48:12] They inform and make decisions and help these characters

[01:48:15] make decisions further down the story arc.

[01:48:17] So they don't die, they sort of continue,

[01:48:19] which I'm sure the actors are very comforted by.

[01:48:24] Knowing that, even though they don't get to

[01:48:26] be on the show, they made a difference.

[01:48:30] CBR.com, comic book resources, talked with Matthew August-Chefers, a K-net.

[01:48:36] They asked, the ones who live has hit remarkable highs and done so well for itself.

[01:48:41] How has it been watching everyone's reaction to the series?

[01:48:44] He said, I briefly looked it up and for what I've seen, people are really loving the show.

[01:48:48] People seem to be responding strongly to the premiere, which is just so amazing.

[01:48:52] I've been a part of productions that have been panned off Broadway productions that were just

[01:48:56] ripped apart. When you're part of a story that people are really passionate about and have

[01:49:00] really high expectations of and the product largely delivers. Oh my gosh, it's sweet

[01:49:05] as sugar. You can't ask for much more. I'm thrilled that people feel satiated with these stories. I'm

[01:49:10] pretty confident with the episode that I was on and the further scripts I got to read. I'm confident

[01:49:16] they're going to continue to feel really fulfilled. So I guess he got to read further scripts even

[01:49:20] though he thought it. They said, you and Denai Gurira have previously worked

[01:49:25] on a Shakespeare in the park production.

[01:49:26] Did that partnership between you and Denai change at all,

[01:49:29] working on the screen versus on the stage?

[01:49:32] He said, I don't think it really did, but in a great way.

[01:49:34] Denai and I take our work very seriously.

[01:49:38] I got to see that in Richard III

[01:49:39] and I got to see that in the ones who live.

[01:49:41] It's probably one of the reasons why we connected.

[01:49:44] We shared last, but overall we approached the work with a level of gravitas, sobriety, and importance.

[01:49:49] We shot we saw each other in that way. I have a little anecdote after one of the scenes in

[01:49:53] Richard III, we would cross pass under the stage going to the next scene. We ended up

[01:49:57] in this ritual of fist bumping every single night, just like a fist bump and move on.

[01:50:02] That kind of felt like us saying, I see you, I have you, we're in this together. That transpired on the walking dead where before

[01:50:08] every take we would do three high fives back to back. Those little moments made me feel

[01:50:12] like we had each other. There was, there was one scene that I was shooting where Nat's

[01:50:18] eating soup at the kitchen table, I'm shown presents him with a map. And he's saying,

[01:50:23] I can't lose you. I was really struggling with that scene. I wasn't getting to the emotional arc that I wanted

[01:50:27] now to get to. So I asked for a five and I just said to deny, can I have a hug? And

[01:50:32] she refused. And I'm just kidding. And we hugged in silence. And it was a long ass

[01:50:37] hug. It was over a minute of us just hugging. The whole set was silent and they gave us

[01:50:42] that space. That really bridged the gap for me. That's all to say that when you have actors that you trust and admire, they

[01:50:48] will be there to help get you where you need to be. You can't ask for anything more than

[01:50:53] that as someone who's telling a story with a scene partner. It was really just a joy.

[01:50:58] Awesome.

[01:50:59] And one more, they asked, when you heard about Nat's death, what was your immediate reaction?

[01:51:05] He said, I've never died on TV before, so the first knee-jerk reaction was fear because

[01:51:09] no one wants to act a bad death, right?

[01:51:11] That's an ick.

[01:51:13] After taking Nat on this wild ride, I was terrified that I was going to give some half-assed stupid

[01:51:17] death scene.

[01:51:19] The craziest part was that I think day two was my death scene.

[01:51:22] I started my journey at the end of my journey,

[01:51:25] which can be confusing for an actor, but they set this up so beautifully that I had no problem.

[01:51:30] It was sad as a storyteller you want to tell stories. That being said, it's so beautiful

[01:51:35] that I read it and had such a strong reaction because that strong reaction meant that I had

[01:51:40] already developed a connection with Nat on the page. I knew that I was set up for success to

[01:51:44] invite people into Nat's world

[01:51:46] in a really beautiful, genuine way

[01:51:47] so that when he reaches his demise,

[01:51:49] people have a reaction and they feel something.

[01:51:52] As an actor, all I want is to make people feel something,

[01:51:54] whether it's in one episode or seven seasons,

[01:51:57] to have been given that opportunity

[01:51:58] on such a large platform like The Walking Dead

[01:52:01] is a dream come true.

[01:52:02] And he did.

[01:52:03] I mean, he really had an impact.

[01:52:05] Yeah. Yeah. I think this is going to be a breakout for him. We're going to start seeing him everywhere.

[01:52:09] Seeing more. Yeah. I would be crazy. Yeah.

[01:52:17] All right. That is a show episode 566. Thanks so much for listening, everyone. Thank you guys.

[01:52:22] It was great to have you on. I'm glad you were available. Thank you, Jason.

[01:52:25] It was really fun.

[01:52:25] It was really fun.

[01:52:25] Thanks for having us.

[01:52:27] Yeah, it was cool.

[01:52:28] I missed the Walking Dead and talking about it.

[01:52:31] So.

[01:52:32] Yeah, and this really feels like the Walking Dead

[01:52:35] is back in a way that not quite the same as the other stuff

[01:52:40] to me.

[01:52:41] Yeah, I think Rick.

[01:52:42] Rick being present really helps. For sure. And even

[01:52:46] Gimple in there, you know, giving us Gimpliness. The next episode will be

[01:52:52] The Walking Dead the Ones Who Lives Season One Episode 3. Bye! If you want to

[01:52:57] write in or leave us a voice message about Episode 3, you can find all of our

[01:53:02] contact information at podcastica.com.

[01:53:06] And while you're there, please check out our other podcasts like it's still

[01:53:09] slain.

[01:53:10] Yay.

[01:53:11] Yes, please.

[01:53:13] What do you guys want to say about that podcast?

[01:53:16] What should people know?

[01:53:16] We just dropped our 24th episode.

[01:53:20] And what we're doing is a rewatch of Buffy the Vampire Slayer starting from

[01:53:24] the beginning of season two.

[01:53:26] And we are trying to place it in its historical context that it came out in the 90s, but also look at it with a modern lens.

[01:53:35] We're just having so much fun. We've had some great guests on as well, and Sam, who you just heard from in the voicemail,

[01:53:43] and her great way with words tragedy sandwich being a good example

[01:53:48] just guested with us and that episode episode 24 is

[01:53:53] fantastic and I was listening to it and

[01:53:56] Realizing that I don't think you need to watch the show to get a lot out of the episode of the podcast

[01:54:02] So if you want to find out what Karen and I are up to Slaying, this would be a good one for you to listen to.

[01:54:08] Yeah, Gingerbread was the Buffy episode that we covered from season three. It's episode 11,

[01:54:15] and without spoiling too much, there is some, you know, a little bit of a witch hunt portrayed

[01:54:21] in it. So Sam, who is a psychologist and

[01:54:25] Penny and I, who are both attorneys, went in a deep dive

[01:54:28] about, you know, mass hysteria, the Salem witch trials, the

[01:54:33] Satanic Panic, and it was so much fun to talk about. So that

[01:54:37] would be a good one to listen to. We're having a blast.

[01:54:41] That's great. And I've heard so many people compliment you

[01:54:44] guys and talk about how you're doing the blast. That's great. And I've heard so many people compliment you guys

[01:54:45] and talk about how you're talking about what's going on

[01:54:49] at the time, the context, like you said, Penny, and everything.

[01:54:51] That feels good to me.

[01:54:52] We're in the middle of the Clinton impeachment trial right now.

[01:54:57] That's where we're at.

[01:54:58] So good times.

[01:55:00] And coming up this in a couple of weeks or so here,

[01:55:03] I'm going to come on and we're gonna talk Heathers and that'll be great

[01:55:06] So it's like a better day

[01:55:08] And then we're gonna watch an episode of Buffy which I've seen a few episodes of the show

[01:55:13] But not many maybe four or five back way back in the day

[01:55:16] And so long too, but anyway, I'm excited to come on

[01:55:19] It's gonna be really cool. It'll be so much fun

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