574: "Become" Listener Feedback

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[00:00:04] Ones Who Live, Podcastica!

[00:00:24] Welcome to The Cast of Us!

[00:00:29] A Podcast dedicated to the Shuffle Show!

[00:00:33] The Walking Dead!

[00:00:37] He's Ed Heads, Welcome to The Podcast.

[00:00:39] I'm Jason.

[00:00:40] We're going to go through your feedback for The Walking Dead, The Ones Who Live, Season 1, Episode 5, Become.

[00:00:46] Lucy's out this week.

[00:00:48] She wrote a book, likely excuse.

[00:00:51] She's actually finishing it up, so it needed to be turned in tomorrow morning.

[00:00:56] Which is pretty awesome.

[00:00:57] The last girl about that one next week.

[00:00:59] But in the meantime, I'm happy to have a couple of guests host with us.

[00:01:03] Veronica and Doty, welcome to the show guys.

[00:01:06] Hi! Thanks for having us.

[00:01:08] Thanks.

[00:01:09] Veronica, you might've heard back when we covered Silo, me, Veronica and Omelie.

[00:01:14] We did a couple episodes on that series looking forward to season 3.

[00:01:18] I know.

[00:01:19] Two coming up.

[00:01:20] Me too.

[00:01:21] Veronica's podcasted with me on Squid Game, and you did The Wheel of Time with Greg.

[00:01:27] You did some Fear the Walking Dead Roundtable Rants.

[00:01:30] Those are always fun.

[00:01:31] A fan of Wheel of Time.

[00:01:33] I'm so excited for the next season.

[00:01:36] It's great.

[00:01:37] And Doty, we haven't podcasted yet.

[00:01:40] This was our first time, but I met you last year when we had a big Zed Head meetup in Boston.

[00:01:45] And it was really fun to get to know you.

[00:01:49] I hope you don't mind me asking you a little about this, but is it right that you're a retired minister?

[00:01:53] Am I remembering that right?

[00:01:54] That's right.

[00:01:55] That'll be a cool perspective on Father Gabriel maybe.

[00:01:59] I don't know.

[00:02:00] Have you been watching Walking Dead since the beginning?

[00:02:06] Did you get on in the ground floor or how did you find it?

[00:02:10] I got on originally a Netflix.

[00:02:14] It was probably a couple of seasons in that I started watching.

[00:02:19] I eventually caught up and then got my first subscription to a service, because I had to have AMC,

[00:02:28] because I had to know what was going to happen next time.

[00:02:31] Walking by that time, I was totally hooked.

[00:02:35] I was really hooked up quite a while before I discovered the podcast though.

[00:02:39] In the rewatch, I've been going back and listening to your original recordings as part of my rewatch.

[00:02:49] So I'm really enjoying that too.

[00:02:52] I only went back and listened to one because I wanted to see if I was critical of Shane killing Otis

[00:03:00] and I was surprised to find out that I actually wasn't.

[00:03:04] I pretty much felt the same way as I did this time, that given the circumstances he was in

[00:03:09] seemed like a reasonable thing to do.

[00:03:12] But I don't want to spend too much time on this, but I am curious since you've been going back

[00:03:17] and listening to the original ones, are you finding a very much where I'm saying something different?

[00:03:24] I haven't so far seen a real difference in your reactions except that nostalgia that's in there.

[00:03:34] For the characters.

[00:03:36] In the second, and in the first one, there's that apprehension, especially in very beginning,

[00:03:44] the pre-show is your apprehension about what are they going to do with my baby?

[00:03:49] Because you know, obviously you love the comics so much and there's so much fear that, you know,

[00:03:57] are they going to end and is it going to be popular enough for their...

[00:04:02] It's just so funny to hear you talking about, gee God, I hope they get a second season.

[00:04:08] Right.

[00:04:09] And now I'm like, please end it.

[00:04:11] So before we get into the feedback just briefly, what are you guys...

[00:04:17] How are you guys feeling about the ones who live?

[00:04:20] Are you digging it?

[00:04:22] I think I am.

[00:04:23] There's a lot of things if I reflect on it too much that bug me but I've been trying to just sit back

[00:04:29] and enjoy the ride and just be happy that we're getting Rick and Michelle's story to play out

[00:04:35] and overall, like I'm liking it.

[00:04:38] I mean, I stayed up last week till 3am to watch the episode so I think that's probably telling.

[00:04:43] What is the... is there something in general you're not happy with?

[00:04:48] No, I mean, it's been nitpicky stuff and I've really tried not to voice the nitpicky stuff too much

[00:04:54] because I'm trying not to dig into it but just some of the ways they like withheld conversations

[00:05:02] and it was nice to get the payoff when we finally had the Rick and Michelle episode

[00:05:06] but it didn't feel real to me.

[00:05:08] Like, it felt like conversations that would have come out much sooner than they did.

[00:05:13] So just little stuff like that, nothing like overarching.

[00:05:19] I'm really worried how what's going to happen if things are really going to wrap up in the final episode

[00:05:25] or if we'll get another season, I don't know.

[00:05:29] What about you, Dody?

[00:05:32] I'm really very tolerant of plot necessity, drama necessity, holes.

[00:05:43] And I think there's a lot of that in this season in particular because they've created an artificial situation

[00:05:53] where two people who cannot be kept apart have been kept apart for six years.

[00:06:00] So I'm really quite tolerant of that and I'm absolutely loving this season

[00:06:08] because I'm just loving them being together again.

[00:06:12] The magic of Rick and Michelle is powerful stuff and the chemistry if anything is ramped,

[00:06:20] which it should be because of that separation, it makes sense.

[00:06:26] But the chemistry between them, I think it's fantastic.

[00:06:30] It's worth all the little like nitpicks.

[00:06:34] Absolutely.

[00:06:35] I've shared some of Lucy's frustration.

[00:06:39] So emotionally, it has been rollercoastery for me in the sense that I just have had moments

[00:06:48] that I absolutely wanted to strangle Rick for, you know, no, I'm not going with you

[00:06:55] and the whole thing with the boat.

[00:07:00] And I knew he was going to do it.

[00:07:02] That did not surprise me for a moment when she showed up there

[00:07:07] and there was nothing from him but I know I was totally expecting that because that's really is kind of a Rick move.

[00:07:17] I'm going to protect you.

[00:07:18] I'm going to protect my kids and I'm just not going to show up.

[00:07:22] But I know you won't, I can't talk you into it.

[00:07:24] So I'm just going to trick you into it and make you so pissed off that you'll just get them about the leap.

[00:07:30] That's what he thought was going to happen.

[00:07:32] And I did.

[00:07:33] But the last episode, I really thought she did a phenomenal job of digging through the layers

[00:07:43] of what he has been telling himself about what's going on with him emotionally

[00:07:49] and what was really going on with him emotionally, which was that he simply could not face the risk

[00:07:58] of being reunited with his family when they might die at any moment.

[00:08:04] Yeah.

[00:08:05] I didn't really say it on the podcast but to me it felt because I read from Dinaigirir

[00:08:13] she was like, no, it can't be that he's been converted at all.

[00:08:17] It's got to be something deeper than that and she found that what you're saying that worked for you.

[00:08:21] It kind of works for me but it also feels a little bit a little bit of a stretch or something.

[00:08:29] I don't know why just that you would just because you don't want to risk seeing someone die

[00:08:35] you would separate yourself from them and make up a whole story in your head about what the reason for that is.

[00:08:41] Those two things like that you would actually go to the trouble of separating yourself

[00:08:46] and make up the story in your head and I don't know.

[00:08:50] I also feel like the series has set it up that Rick has bought into the ideals of the CRM to some extent

[00:08:56] so then it felt like it sort of undermined that by Dinaigirir saying no, no, no, that's not what happened at all.

[00:09:02] So I don't know.

[00:09:03] Well, except that I don't.

[00:09:04] It's not completely.

[00:09:05] I don't think that those are necessarily mutually exclusive.

[00:09:10] Yeah, that's true.

[00:09:11] I agree.

[00:09:12] Completely.

[00:09:13] I think that I think that she says it's not that that is a part of his motivation.

[00:09:17] Yeah, I don't agree with her.

[00:09:19] I know.

[00:09:20] I don't know that you're going to agree with her there.

[00:09:22] Yeah, exactly.

[00:09:23] It's like the writer doesn't know.

[00:09:25] I can accept that it was his primary motivation, but the fact that there are some aspects of the CRM

[00:09:33] that you could reasonably get behind, right?

[00:09:37] Right.

[00:09:38] Not the really bad stuff and so I think I can buy it.

[00:09:41] And it might be more motivation for him to get behind those things because he doesn't want to face the idea of the people he loves dying.

[00:09:51] But with all of that, let's get into what the rest of the listeners thought about this week's episode.

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[00:09:59] Okay, we're starting with Teresa Harper who says amazing episode.

[00:10:10] And I got to ask is this next from the bar is that I couldn't.

[00:10:19] What I'm wondering was yes, there's a rich history of high coup with this podcast.

[00:10:26] Yeah, Veronica.

[00:10:28] So Steve bar I get the honor of reading his high coup.

[00:10:32] Jada Scott Bitten unfortunately it was several years late.

[00:10:37] A lot of jada's hate out there.

[00:10:40] I think she's a fantastic character to hate and Pollyanna Magintosh just really nailed, you know, given excellent performance to a pretty unlikable character.

[00:10:54] I love it.

[00:10:56] Yep.

[00:10:57] Pamela Strickler says going to miss Jada she was a complicated lady.

[00:11:02] Didn't like this episode as much made you realize how much needs to be accomplished before this ends.

[00:11:08] Yeah, I don't think it's going to end next time.

[00:11:11] I really don't I would bet a beer on it.

[00:11:15] I'll bet you.

[00:11:16] You think it's over?

[00:11:18] Okay.

[00:11:19] Let's all write that down on my beer bet ledger.

[00:11:22] Mike from Brighton says I love that last week Lucy and Jason mentioned how frequently we see car chase has been walking dead.

[00:11:30] And the very next episode we get another car chase on a totally unrelated note.

[00:11:36] I love how nothing bad ever happens to the characters we love and they always get to live long and peaceful lives.

[00:11:44] Wink wink.

[00:11:46] I don't even remember talking about heart chases.

[00:11:50] I don't remember that either, but we did get one.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:54] Sean says I'm so glad to see Gabriel back in the show.

[00:11:58] I wonder how he's going to play into the finale or season two.

[00:12:02] Let's not kid.

[00:12:03] We all know they won't leave it here.

[00:12:05] Really sad to see Jada's go out, but no more shit haircuts at least her speech about being dedicated to the Republic may be think only of Obi-Wan saying my legions is to the Republic to democracy.

[00:12:18] Lastly and correct me if I'm wrong wasn't there a scene in fear the walking dead were Troy crashed his car and it looked very similar to the one of Jada's during this episode.

[00:12:29] I don't remember.

[00:12:30] Troy I don't remember any Troy.

[00:12:32] I know you're talking about it.

[00:12:34] Okay.

[00:12:38] Jennifer McGinley says I'm not sure sure those tasty nudes would have been all that tasty at this point in the ZA or the toothpaste for that matter.

[00:12:48] Yeah, that's true.

[00:12:49] I wonder how long even canned food 14 years in is it still going to be edible.

[00:12:57] I don't know maybe it would be but it would just be mush.

[00:13:02] She says there's no words to describe how delighted I am to see the back of Jadas.

[00:13:08] No, I haven't watched world beyond season two, but I find it impossible to believe that watching this would have ever made me warm up to the worst character in walking dead land.

[00:13:17] I could ridden to batter of a pun intended calcified Zs indeed.

[00:13:22] I thought they had the gray scale quite enjoy the episode this week appreciated the funnies that were thrown in ice.

[00:13:29] I don't know if I would say that watching world beyond would make you make anyone warm up to Jadas.

[00:13:36] I don't think I would put it that way, but I do think for me and I think most people that watch that show it made you think of her not as

[00:13:46] oh, get that character off the screen and more like this is a good villain.

[00:13:51] It made her a better character.

[00:13:55] Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:56] I just made me appreciate her value as a catalyst whereas earlier on she was somebody that I really wanted to kill.

[00:14:06] Quite a difference.

[00:14:09] You know, please eat this woman but I really have come to appreciate all that she could do as a catalyst.

[00:14:19] Yeah, yeah, I mean they introduced her as a throwaway character like all of the trash heap people could have died and most of them did and it wasn't we didn't care.

[00:14:29] But in this series and in world beyond they made her integral to the storyline and it helped also help that she wasn't using her weird speech.

[00:14:40] Yeah, very much so all right we have a call from Steve Brown.

[00:14:44] This is Steve Steve's been away in New Zealand you might have heard call with him and on when few weeks back but this is his first live Steve I think.

[00:14:54] So here we go for the show.

[00:14:57] Hello Jason Lucy. This is Steve and it's going to be for what is the fifth episode is become is become the fifth episode of the ones who leave live so excited to go to these last two episodes.

[00:15:14] Wow, I hope we get us like a season this wait father Gabriel.

[00:15:19] Oh my goodness we never knew he was going to see somebody from the original show in this series here he is and he's still wielding his machete love that we get the very first credit we get after coming back from the intro is with Seth Gilliam.

[00:15:38] So my question during this whole road trip does Rick learn to drive a stick electric is it different regular I don't know.

[00:15:50] No one else has ever called him junior I love it RJ is not junior he's just RJ yeah I'm emotional he just said I was in love with my son's best friend meeting Carl was.

[00:16:06] Was all of the shows bit for okay seriously do you guys know who you're trying to roll right now because yeah it's not going to work you're not going to make it with your flare guns and whatever else you have.

[00:16:25] Key promise seriously now we're going to back to oh okay it's it's father Gabriel three years ago okay where does it fit in the timeline three years ago with J this I don't know why are we getting this story confused.

[00:16:44] I'm confused where is it fit with the commonwealth because jade is does not know about the commonwealth right she just knows Alexandria right oh.

[00:16:53] Jesus how them what how started to get long but yeah also in see if he gets there time.

[00:17:02] We don't know if the C. R. M. knows about the commonwealth not that we've seen I don't think no there was that one comment that was.

[00:17:13] We're in spie made that maybe wonder when he sort of threatened Pamela about like you don't know the relationships i've been maintaining or something along those lines but then they never brought it up again so.

[00:17:24] Yeah and I think.

[00:17:27] I would assume or not assume but I think it'd be more likely to see our does know about them but but maybe not.

[00:17:36] We don't know Steve have it a party there alright.

[00:17:40] Who's next.

[00:17:41] And fainteveults just watched four and five and I loved for but five left me a bit me I actually love the call back to the fun fair episode with Rick and my show on a road trip happy.

[00:17:56] You really get that everything is possible together feeling and I like being back in the woods for a little while.

[00:18:03] The CRM set doesn't feel like home but I'm not sure I understand or care for the data's epilogue and mon log and she noticed the yellow pickup brought was gone wow and are we back to the CRM to last episode I could have lived with they went back home and talked to Darrell on the radio kind of and they will see.

[00:18:30] And I knew it was Carl on the phone now on to catch up with the podcast.

[00:18:38] I got to say I really like what they did with jatison this episode I thought they they they using the same time next year.

[00:18:51] Approach with the father confessor was really effective in feeling back again you got a character with a lot of layers in their motivation somebody I think she's like great she doesn't know what all of her motivations are she has that top layer of this is how I see myself and this is what I see myself being committed to.

[00:19:18] But really there are all the other layers going on.

[00:19:22] I like to do those good.

[00:19:24] A double you know Bob grippie says these are the noodles I grew up eating and absolutely adoring they do have an extremely high sodium content if you ditch the soup mix and simply boil them in plain water and stir in the chili it is pure ecstasy back in 2018 had been eight years without them and had a family member bring some from out of town and I had the water boiling when they walked in.

[00:19:47] All other ramen is schlok to me and I'll never go out to eat for ramen to me that's like PB and J in a restaurant.

[00:19:55] Am I the only one who wonders what would happen if the CRM came for the Commonwealth and not just Alexandria.

[00:20:01] I got to ask is that a real brand name of ramen.

[00:20:05] I don't think so tasty news I do wish so because I think you just made that package yeah the package.

[00:20:14] Sam yeah I would I would have when somebody said let's go to a ramen restaurant I was like well it better be 10 cents because that's what he's paying and then I went and it was amazing it's not like what you get home but maybe yeah I would give it a shot.

[00:20:30] Alright here's Jason from Fort Worth Texas.

[00:20:34] Hey Jason and Lucy it's Jason from Fort Worth Texas I've been listening to your guys covers this week yet but I wanted to get my thoughts on the episode first I'm bomb that I didn't get the call in last week because I'll just say quickly last week's episode was amazing.

[00:20:51] It was phenomenal it was like walking dead is mature now and all grown up you know I agree with everything you guys said of how great the episode was and I say that to say because it juxtaposed to this episode this week which I think I really liked I enjoyed it but having such great writing and such great acting and you know that writing allowed.

[00:21:17] Andrew Lincoln and I grabbed to really flex their acting chops last week I mean really those we've never I mean we knew that Rick and the show and love and we know that it's a love story and all that and they kind of have showed us somewhat surface level in past but last week.

[00:21:35] I mean it was it was a masterclass in writing acting directing show running everything so then you get to this week and it kind of goes back to the typical kind of walking dead writing and directing you know of course they're excellent and it was a next it was great I mean who didn't want to finally see the death of J.D.S. I mean R.I.P but man we're finally ridden rid of the trash people talking flip flopping.

[00:22:04] Crazy haircut having wild lady you know I mean R.I.P so it was good and oh my god I did come to tears when he finally after to marry him and they just were kissing in the forest but I couldn't help feeling like hey stop kissing so long man I don't trust any forest alone man I just always feel like somebody's gonna be around but we made it through that scene and I was beautiful.

[00:22:29] I don't think they're gonna be able to wrap up this whole plan they have in one episode unless it's like a two hour three hour episode and they just get to it.

[00:22:38] I really think this is going to go into a second season because there's a lot to do next episode they're going to go back to the CRM and do that whole plan in one episode.

[00:22:50] Good luck Rick and Michelle I'll be watching and as always I love you guys coverage I appreciate everything you do have a great week.

[00:23:00] Oh you know I just want to say too that I thought Lucy's analysis of last week's episode and some of the stuff that she picked up on like the use of the AI voice in the apartment and everything wow I was just really impressed.

[00:23:18] I was just about the temperature yeah I don't like that stuff that was some of the nitpicky for me because I felt like they were hammering us over the head with some symbolism it just felt too obvious like the building crumbling right as they left like I like symbolism but it felt I felt like they were hit me over the head with it with some of those stuff.

[00:23:41] I read an interview deny career was talking about that and she's like yeah well we didn't need that place anymore so we got rid of it it had served its near the purpose which I kind of that was cute yeah.

[00:23:54] All right Georgie Neild says oh thanks Jason by the way that's great Georgie Neild says enjoyed this week's episode I was so excited when I saw Gabriel I thought he was joining the show didn't realize until the end that he was still in Alexandria or near it.

[00:24:10] Maybe somewhere over there yes I understood the flashbacks but thought the first scene of him was closer to Rick and shown and that the flashbacks were going to explain how he got to them all well completely ridiculous when I think about it ha ha and I was genuinely sad for him at the end when jayda slash and didn't show.

[00:24:29] Yeah before I did just think of it I kind of thought that too like he was going to end up in the sea are you know the civic republic or something getting tired of the you two together you can do anything repeating constantly to me so cheesy also how did those moron survive this far into the apocalypse glad Rick and Michonne at least addressed it but I thought they were going to be more adept then they were letting on did one of them get like caught in something.

[00:24:57] I read that she was kind of sneer what is that hunting trap or something yeah like a bear thing okay so that's that's why I mean they also just seemed really like shaky and sketchy though to be still alive this far in yeah for sure.

[00:25:14] It's funny to me that they didn't like that George you didn't like the you two together can do anything because I'm such a sucker for it look I love it I think it you know similar to like the symbolism driving me nuts and other people loved it I think it's so interesting how different our perceptions of the show can be.

[00:25:33] Yeah people different people gravitate to different things yeah I like it a little but I can I feel like they are laying it on pretty thick.

[00:25:40] I gotta say though you know I really did I was just tickled by these guys thinking they were gonna they were gonna muscle Rick and Michonne I'm just laughing yeah it's true thinking oh boy you have poked the wrong bear.

[00:26:03] Also I mean this refrain of we can do anything together I think it's really relevant especially to Rick's situation because he has in my view really well he's just been fucked with so much that he off his game you know he's off his he's been beaten down and so it's not his first thought that oh Michonne's here we can.

[00:26:33] We can take care of this we can do it together she has to bring him back to that place like hey why are you thinking about like hiding or not handling the situation we can handle situations and then the people that are critical of Michonne and I think they have a decent point is yeah but you've never faced a whole army like this before you know you can't just assume

[00:26:53] you're gonna be able to take down this army but then then again it's the walking dead of course they will. We hope hopefully yeah.

[00:27:03] Okay, for Anderson not jesus I wasn't ready for that.

[00:27:08] It's a crime word.

[00:27:10] I'm glad they gave her a good part of the episode I watched this right after the edible kicked in so I'm not sure what all she said.

[00:27:18] I'll have to go back and watch again but I'm glad she got to have the her monologue.

[00:27:24] Glad it was Rick that took that final shot wouldn't it felt right if anyone else had done it.

[00:27:29] Cool seeing Gabriel again sad seeing him wait for her the last time and her not show up.

[00:27:37] I'm glad it wasn't him who jesus was talking about being forced to kill lastly I have no idea how they are going to wrap up this in one more episode.

[00:27:47] I guess there will most likely be a second season.

[00:27:51] Another emoji that's just small for me to recognize lastly lastly I mean it this time I had to travel a bit last week for work and decided to check out podcast because the handmade sale podcast and wow.

[00:28:05] Y'all are amazing I'm really enjoying it.

[00:28:08] Thank you.

[00:28:10] That podcast is kind of special I was nervous to podcast about that show as a man but it's been great with me and daffney and wendy.

[00:28:23] And the show is amazing I think and the showrunner started tweeting that he liked our podcast so we contacted him and got him on for a couple of interviews you know it's been a really good experience.

[00:28:37] I got a commend you guys it can't be easy to podcast on a show that that is that heavy and having to like rewatch episodes.

[00:28:45] That's gotta be tough.

[00:28:47] Yeah we were watching the whole thing just to like do catch ups because we hadn't been podcasting from the very beginning and it was intense to binge it too.

[00:28:56] Yeah it's a mess up.

[00:28:59] Okay I think next up we have Ashley Edward Wolf who says hi Jason and Lucy it was so good to see a friendly familiar face.

[00:29:08] I was so shocked to see Gabe in the cold open and confused at first.

[00:29:12] I'm kind of surprised that jades would go meet him if she could do that then why couldn't Rick make some visits to his children.

[00:29:19] It's okay for her but not for him.

[00:29:22] I guess he wouldn't want to leave them so that makes sense.

[00:29:25] Goodbye jades thank you for doing the right thing in the end if only you would have let them be dead then you'd still be alive.

[00:29:32] I loved the proposal scene and then a little cry face emoji all in all a great episode I truly don't see how they can wrap this story up in only one more episode.

[00:29:43] I hope Jason's theory on two more seasons is true and then just a call out to tasteful news.

[00:29:50] Yeah I hope it's true then I get a beer from Veronica.

[00:29:55] Yeah that's an interesting point about jades getting to go meet Gabriel and being hypocritical maybe but I think that is kind of the point that she was going against herself even letting her be in that situation where she could be vulnerable to a string from the CRM's ideology and everything.

[00:30:14] I think the only thing that sort of killed me about it is that she has a dangerous job within the CRM that she's out in the world a lot.

[00:30:22] She could have died for reasons completely unrelated to Rick and leaving that dossier would have killed everyone for no reason potentially.

[00:30:32] Yeah that's right.

[00:30:34] I think that's true her position in the CRM is very different from Rick's Rick has not yet had the big talk and she is somebody who has convinced everyone of her absolute loyalty including herself.

[00:30:53] She's not only not surprising that she would have the kind of freedom that you needed to be able to slip away for a day in a helicopter that Rick would never I'm rich never been in a helicopter by himself.

[00:31:06] The Ghibim on a leash.

[00:31:09] Literally.

[00:31:12] Alright here's a call from Lisa Bartley who said along with her call hey there Jason I was so pumped up when I recorded this I might sound like crazy person and if it's too fast and ridiculous I totally understand if you don't play it well I haven't listen yet but I'm more excited to hear now she said either way love you Lucy and the pod as always you'll make the whole experience of the show you better thank you for being forever fabulous wow all this praise I'm just going to play the call here.

[00:31:38] Hey Jason and Lucy Lisa North Carolina here haven't checked in in a while but still never miss an episode of the pod love the other pieces and loving the new show anyway oh my gosh this fixed episode are you kidding me oh my gosh it's one of the best episodes of any of the walking that I've ever watched I mean it's probably not because there's too many and I can't remember the ball but oh my goodness this was great I like it so much I like everything about it I can really even think what to say it was awesome.

[00:32:03] I just finished it and I'm so pumped up I guess one thing took me out just for a minute when they were actually like Rick stubbed arm was actually somehow zip tied behind him like that's it a make any sense but whatever it doesn't matter it was so so good I loved Gabriel I loved and I loved everything I was wondering if I could trouble y'all just real real quick if you haven't already remind me what happened when Ann got to Alexandria and why she left just like a 30 second recap would be amazing I tried to kind of look it up online but it's confusing because so much time is passed in my brain just can't keep track

[00:32:31] and we love in the pod love the new show and thank y'all as always for keeping up to fabulous podcasts it remains a must listen in a minute I see it in my feed I don't know what I do without y'all you make everything better so much love and happy

[00:32:42] bye thanks Lisa that was great with the music in the background I know really I'm the emotion well produced um I don't remember either there's

[00:32:53] something about some character named Justin right yeah so it was at the time that some of the

[00:32:59] saviors were being mysteriously disappeared and killed and they were trying to figure out who it was

[00:33:05] it ended up being the ocean side crew but because Ann had been part of you know a group that constantly

[00:33:13] flop sides everyone was very suspicious of her and at one point Gabriel even I think pretty kindly

[00:33:22] but just questioned her like is there something you're not telling me and I think that was sort of her

[00:33:27] final straw of no one here likes or trust me that's it turning you over to kidnappers who will kill you

[00:33:35] immediately because you asked me that yeah yeah yeah that feels right thanks glad you remember that

[00:33:44] I have vague recollection of an investigation into the killers of somebody was that what led to some

[00:33:52] really intense scene with Darryl and the ocean ciders yeah and Michonne and they turned their back as

[00:34:01] they killed a rat I believe oh a rat and that was the final savior that they were targeting because

[00:34:07] it was the final one that was involved with the initial slaughter of all the men at ocean side

[00:34:13] I just rewatch sorry okay no that's yeah because I had to totally forgotten that scene until I'm

[00:34:18] thinking about it all now I remember that was really intense because they just let them kill her

[00:34:23] all right Nathan Eshelman says first off tasteful nudes is the greatest fake product name I've

[00:34:30] ever heard when jaydus talked about having killed someone she was close to I had figured she met

[00:34:36] Huck although show is playing it as if it could have been Gabriel by the end of the episode

[00:34:41] I didn't yeah you know what I didn't get that but I think because Lisa kind of said similar and I

[00:34:47] thought thank you guys right what was he happily married to Rosita when he snuck jaydus that kiss not

[00:34:53] cool man no he wasn't the that scene happened I think in the year in the walking dead finale when

[00:35:03] they're all at the commonwealth there's a year time jump and after which we find out that

[00:35:08] um is the leader and in Gabriel had already been broken up with Rosita before that she was gone

[00:35:19] she probably was dead right and even before that their relationship had sort of ended right they

[00:35:25] were just friends with one another okay friends with no benefits and Nathan goes on I felt it

[00:35:35] when she said she should have died an artist not just because she loved painting in the junkyard

[00:35:41] but because we'd all be more fulfilled chasing creative endeavors that make us feel alive which is

[00:35:46] exactly what Lucy said on the podcast it's bittersweet to see her go whatever you feel about the

[00:35:51] character she's been on the show since 2017 we've been able to talk about and speculate about her time

[00:35:57] on the show for seven years and now that chapter is closed yep well said yeah uh

[00:36:03] kazia in california hi thoughts on become jason was talking about how this the rm was built on

[00:36:11] the sacrifice of soldiers that were going to kill the population of philadelphia ochrefort sacrificed

[00:36:17] his wife and turned against the us military because he thought they what they were doing was wrong

[00:36:23] soldiers that ochrefort bombed believed that they were sacrificing the population of philadelphia to

[00:36:29] save the united states it parallels what rick and machoan are proposing they will kill a group

[00:36:35] of misguided soldiers c-r-m to save a wider population in doing so are they becoming what they seek

[00:36:42] to destroy that is exactly what rick and machoan are proposing to do now kill a military group

[00:36:50] that had lost their moral compass then who leads the civil civic republic there are no a's

[00:36:57] as in the civic republic to lead where is lance horn speed when you need him and i'm not sure i mean

[00:37:08] i think that's that's what we all anticipate is is a blowing up of this crm because well the lighter

[00:37:17] for one thing but it seemed to me that that machoan was saying that what they needed to do was go back

[00:37:25] and rat on the crm and what they were doing make sure that everybody knew it and that when they did

[00:37:31] that then the the civil republic would turn against that there wasn't just we're going to go in

[00:37:39] and kill everybody who's a soldier yeah although i do expect that that's probably what's going to happen

[00:37:46] but that's not the point it's i mean that's a great point you made that

[00:37:52] that the marines who were going to bomb philadelphia were we're doing that because they thought

[00:37:57] that's what it took to save everybody else so that's kind of a similar thing and ochrefor

[00:38:04] had been around bombing the other cities and maybe he changed his mind and thought no that's

[00:38:09] not going to help anything i don't we don't know the details but it is a similar way of thinking

[00:38:15] there but i mean i think now the crm has taken it to an extreme where they feel like

[00:38:23] it's vitally important to the future of the human race that we keep our existence a secret so if

[00:38:29] anybody finds out about us will kill them too even if they're innocent and pose no immediate threat

[00:38:35] they might spread the word and so that's taking it too far where you're just killing anyone who

[00:38:42] sees you basically you know so that that's a little bit different than but but it is interesting

[00:38:47] what you said about like those original bombings were supposedly to save everybody from the zombie apocalypse

[00:38:54] maybe we'll see the echelon briefing and by the end of this will actually be rooting for the crm

[00:38:59] the plot twist it so hard that we're actually rooting for rick and was shown to fail

[00:39:04] why am i writing a lot like we find out that i would be so impressed

[00:39:08] hundreds of babies hidden away and they're all gonna die if the crm doesn't operate how they are

[00:39:13] right right or the aliens have said you don't do but we say we're going to blow up your planet

[00:39:18] alright here is a call from sam from boston hi jason and lucy all the episodes have been done

[00:39:25] really really well this one is more my speed than last weeks this one's just more my cup of tea

[00:39:31] wow what a phenomenal complex end to a very already complex character of jesus

[00:39:39] wow if you would have told me a couple years ago that jesus's death would feel just sad and full

[00:39:46] of grief and just like unsatisfactory i don't know if i'm not sure i would have believed you

[00:39:52] i mean i'm pretty gullible but i don't think i would have believed you

[00:39:55] uh yeah like even rochone couldn't look at her when they put her down it's just

[00:40:01] her character is just sad and i'm gonna miss the character in poliana mac and tosh i mean she just

[00:40:07] does such an incredible job with this character i mean here's a character that

[00:40:12] i would say who's probably been lost even before the apocalypse and then afterwards was looking for

[00:40:18] safety security belonging in a community and was even willing to change who she was her name

[00:40:25] and all to become that person and to have that and she was just met with tragedy after tragedy after

[00:40:31] tragedy trauma after trauma after trauma some of which she participated in and then she stumbles

[00:40:38] onto the cult of the crm who recruit her promising forever stability safety security and identity

[00:40:45] and meaning and purpose and it's an illusion and they have her do those cruel things with the

[00:40:50] promise of that being you know a reality for her so she ends up losing who she is and then you

[00:40:57] see when she couldn't even kill gay like the best representation of who she used to be and

[00:41:03] it's like she couldn't kill off that part of her because that that's the most she's ever felt

[00:41:08] herself and so she realizes that a little too late for her is that wow no i am an

[00:41:15] i am that's that's who i need to be and she breaks through the conditioning of the cult just

[00:41:21] when she's dying and none of it seems to matter anymore except regrets so it was just really sad

[00:41:29] to see that and yeah just a wonderfully complex character and you know just really really well done

[00:41:36] i'm gonna miss them and i need to play in a mackadosh is fine it's just i really like the character

[00:41:42] and you know away from the sadness uh some of the really funny parts really stuck out with me

[00:41:47] like the wet ones that was great baked up with the y it quite a bit at the pause watching

[00:41:55] we all know they're really good they really gets me oh and we have only on the walking dead for

[00:42:00] this series anyway only on the walking dead kind of grown man say i fell in love with my

[00:42:06] son's best friend and you know what to do and how that evil manticus pluck

[00:42:14] i don't really great also how do you guys think they're gonna break it to father Gabriel that

[00:42:19] as long distance girlfriend is dead i don't even know if they'll think to tell him

[00:42:25] yeah i don't know i just hope that these characters get reunited at some point um but i really

[00:42:33] liked how you just describe jesus it made me feel sad to hear it though but it was kind of poetic

[00:42:39] it's good uh robin mark says i'm sad to see jesus go but it felt right really really happy we got the

[00:42:48] confirmation that her life at Alexandria and her identity as an was still meaningful to her even

[00:42:54] if she was doing everything to distance herself i'll admit that the i should have died an artist

[00:42:59] line got me especially paired with the portraits she did of maggy's family i have a whole thing about

[00:43:05] art and creative endeavors in post apocalyptic scenarios and the role they should and could play

[00:43:11] and how it is largely unexplored but if i get into that i'll be here forever when she first said

[00:43:18] your tall to the sister i was convinced jesus was gonna kill her pleasantly surprised that she

[00:43:24] was alive when she turned around well at least for a little bit out overall another great episode

[00:43:31] if a bit cheesy but if they're going to dig deep into her show's relationship this show was the

[00:43:36] time and place to do so and i just like seeing them happy to be honest yeah i didn't understand why

[00:43:43] she said that to that girl your tall it was like is she hitting on someone while she's about to die

[00:43:50] that doesn't seem right so so surprised to me when it was to use her as a double i didn't even get

[00:43:57] that until we were talking about it on the podcast i was like oh that's why the thing about art

[00:44:05] and creative endeavors in post apocalyptic scenarios reminds me of the HBO adaptation of the novel

[00:44:12] station eleven i didn't read the novel but i watched the show and robin i'm sure you've probably

[00:44:17] seen that but if you haven't you should watch it because it's kind of a lot about that great show great

[00:44:21] great bloke too yeah i i liked it a lot but one character just annoyed the hell out of me

[00:44:29] sure you know which one it was all right andri have philomestead says i'm not going to comment on

[00:44:35] the episode except that in the or that's all she said no i'm just kidding except it in the

[00:44:41] beginning with gay real we heard two helicopters i believe that was after and slash jesus who had

[00:44:47] died and either those helicopters are rick and michonne heading back to crm or helicopters heading

[00:44:52] towards alexandria i didn't think about that but i i think you might have a point there that the

[00:44:58] scene we saw with gay real at first may have been towards the end because at the end we see a helicopter

[00:45:04] right as the camera's panning up from where he just left right yeah and when i rewatched last night

[00:45:11] i noticed that in that first scene he's wearing a rain jacket everything it's actually actively

[00:45:17] raining and in none of the following scenes with an did he have a rain jacket or did it appear to be

[00:45:23] raining and so that definitely seemed like it was a distinct timeline from the other meetings

[00:45:31] i wouldn't have noticed that until i like specifically paid attention on the rewatch but it

[00:45:36] i think that's really interesting it makes you wonder if he will get pulled into the story but

[00:45:41] unless i'm wrong about the timeline we see him at the end of the walking dead right and he's not

[00:45:49] like hey ricks i saw rick last month or something you know maybe an had a carrier pigeon ready on her death

[00:45:57] to go carry a message to gabriel with a separate dossier telling it not really i'm just kidding

[00:46:06] all right here's call from rebeca hey jason and lucy it's rebeca from houston again yes two times in a row

[00:46:16] just bringing my feedback in for the last episode of the ones who live episode five

[00:46:22] um i not my favorite it was not my favorite like lucy said coming off the previous week's episode

[00:46:29] which is amazing um this one was not my favorite i'm really confused as to where they're going with

[00:46:34] the story and in general the direction they're going with because so andro grimes or andro grimes

[00:46:42] andro linkin left the walking dead to spend more time at home with his family with his kids i get it

[00:46:50] but if they're setting up this new series to have another season isn't that just going to take

[00:46:59] away from his family again like i don't understand why he would leave one show

[00:47:04] wait a few years and then do another one that's gonna keep him away from his family so that's why

[00:47:08] i i i don't know where they're going with and i what they're going with and i refuse to believe

[00:47:12] that they're gonna kill him off like i just don't see them bringing him back like this and then

[00:47:19] just taking him away from us like i don't i don't see it i don't want to see it i refuse it i

[00:47:26] rebuke it in the name of the walking dead um i don't see mishon dying either i just i don't i don't

[00:47:38] even want to consider it maybe that's where i'm coming from there but it doesn't make sense that they

[00:47:42] would because it seems like yes there's a lot that needs to be done in one episode so they're

[00:47:47] teened up for possibly a second season but again it just doesn't make sense with what

[00:47:52] andro linkin wanted in the first place to be spend more time at home so i'm really confused but

[00:47:58] anyway i'm glad jade is gone she was annoying yes she saved Rick okay

[00:48:04] but if she saved him now like for the sake of saving him and now they take him away from us like

[00:48:09] what was the point um and they're just to address a little bit of that

[00:48:18] i think one possibility is you know uh carls killed off the ratings repel miting

[00:48:27] he gave that old chestnut i need to spend more time with my family you know could be he'd been on

[00:48:34] show for a long time but also i think his kids were in school this was five years ago now

[00:48:41] 2019 when season nine you know aired little before that when he was actually filming it and the ones

[00:48:49] who live is just six season six episodes so it's much shorter filming they actually film that i

[00:48:54] think at the beginning of last year you know so it's been like a year since they filmed it so it

[00:48:59] doesn't take up nearly as much time so i don't know if they do feature seasons will they be

[00:49:05] more episodes or not you know we'll have to see but i i would suspect not i think they're

[00:49:09] treating the walking dead like a bunch of smaller shows now instead of one big show so it's

[00:49:15] smaller shows with less episodes but here's the rest of her message red shirts in this episode was

[00:49:21] funny because one of the guys his name was literally red and his gun was red so like literally red

[00:49:26] shirts should i thought was funny um i'm i'm nervous and excited for the next episode

[00:49:36] i have no idea what's gonna happen i'm just going in like i know they're gonna survive somehow

[00:49:42] i just i don't i'm at a loss i don't know where they're going but i'm gonna go i'm just gonna go

[00:49:52] along for the right see what that takes me so um looking forward to hearing you guys talk

[00:49:57] out later bye do you guys think one of these characters will die i think ricks gonna die oh

[00:50:08] i hope not i don't want either to die but i just would be really surprised if they both come out

[00:50:14] of this alive but i also don't think there's gonna be another season so i could be i hope i'm wrong

[00:50:24] so you think next week rick will be dead and that little series will be over it could be

[00:50:29] i think that's how they position him as living on i think that's how he becomes the brave man

[00:50:35] and perpetuity yeah we'll see i gotta say i am way too attached to a reunion moment

[00:50:47] for this family yeah i mean it kill rick you never gets to see rj and rj never gets to see him

[00:50:57] and it's just that just i'm just really gonna be unhappy with them but i also would not be happy

[00:51:05] with michelle dying and rick supposedly being able to go on from there and and bring some kind of

[00:51:13] completion to this storyline because i don't think he could i don't think there'd be anything left

[00:51:21] with rick so yeah that's my feeling is you gotta keep them both alive and you have to send them home

[00:51:28] someday i don't really anticipate getting that reunion next week but

[00:51:37] someday so um that's that's my will and i'm sticking to it and and uh

[00:51:45] i'm with the whole rebuke idea that was just rebuke that and then behind me satan

[00:51:55] yeah i don't want it either i want rick to live but just to look at the other side of it

[00:52:02] the DNA of this series is in the beginning especially you think it's bad now wait until this happens

[00:52:10] you know like your son just got shot your your wife got his dead you know it's just like your

[00:52:16] friends heads are on pikes like just over and over beating these characters down all the time and

[00:52:22] then the car and Carl died like god i never thought they would do that you know so

[00:52:28] that's really the one that makes me think it could be possible i really don't think they would do

[00:52:33] that at this point i feel like they after the way that glenn and glenn and death basically

[00:52:41] really did damage to the franchise and carls that they wouldn't want to have the same thing happen

[00:52:47] with the rick but just given the history of the show and also the kind of person andrelinkin is

[00:52:52] i can almost see him wanting to have that big moment you know yeah and the last two episodes have

[00:52:59] just been too happy ending yeah that's too totally they proposed to one another big honeymoon fun

[00:53:09] episode can they have all that and then tie it up pretty no and someone said Jason this episode

[00:53:18] is called the ones who live and um i'm like yeah but also at the end of the walking dead in the finale

[00:53:26] you heard characters from the series saying we're the ones who live we're the ones who live and at

[00:53:30] least one of those was um Steven young as glenn and he's dead so true true i and some ways i'd almost

[00:53:43] accept that for the for orphan children who are left behind i'd almost rather see them go out together

[00:53:52] hmm in a blazer glory than one or the other um yeah but that that is not that's not the ending on

[00:54:01] what came for i hope i made that really clear yeah i mean at this point i'm digging these spin-offs

[00:54:08] but also these shows have been on so long i really would love to get a movie that has everybody

[00:54:15] reunite and find some peace yeah yeah that'd be cool but i just i don't can't hold my breath for it

[00:54:21] i don't believe they'll give it to us i want it so much don't yeah yeah you can't like

[00:54:28] put your heart out there for that because you might get crushed okay that said let's move on

[00:54:35] where are we Terry? Terry from Huntington Beach what a choppy clumsy episode

[00:54:42] i'll sign a petition to make tonight give me the permanent writer and showrunner

[00:54:47] she writes and showruns a tight ship podcast cacrue did you think like i did the first walker with

[00:54:55] the hardhead just look like an infected from the last of us like a clicker kind of i didn't think

[00:55:02] about that but yeah i think you're right yeah i would have liked to have seen

[00:55:08] an entire episode of the Rick and Michelle road trip across country smashing that heads along

[00:55:15] the way but i know we don't have a lot of episodes to work with i think jesus much like

[00:55:22] jesus was a great character that the writers really didn't too much with seeing her flashbacks

[00:55:28] i forgot how hot she was as the head of the trash people it was good to see fall the Gabriel

[00:55:35] more fun surprises like that please i'm looking forward to the finale i do like

[00:55:41] both Rick and Michonne and i hope the writers can stick the landing with this last episode of

[00:55:48] this season you're here yeah i um one of the things that i one of my nitpicks though is the hardheads

[00:55:58] yeah it was necessary for them two of them together one of them smashing open the head and the

[00:56:06] other one stabbing them that seemed to go away didn't in the end of the episode they could just

[00:56:12] boom and shoot them and bang bang bang i didn't even i wasn't even paying attention were there more of

[00:56:18] those hardhead zombies at the end they just were hardhead zombies and they killed them pretty easily

[00:56:25] i did that's that's my nitpicks to show us yeah there was a not consistency there

[00:56:33] about jesus looking hot as the head of the trash people it's another reason why i respect

[00:56:40] polyadamac and toche because if you see her in real life she's gorgeous and um as jesus

[00:56:47] she is not going for that clearly she's got that fucked up haircut and she and i admire that

[00:56:54] is someone who's willing to just play it at the character not have to look perfect you know yeah

[00:57:01] alright um a message from andy fischer deer lng did anyone set their alarm for midnight Saturday

[00:57:07] to watch the episode what a great series i love watching r&m explore america it's such a contrast

[00:57:14] to the walking dead when the survivors were constantly hiding from the dead and the murderous living

[00:57:19] and rarely getting into cars much less traveling to new communities this episode reminded me of a

[00:57:25] twisted road trip the walking dead explores america but the most important question how long

[00:57:32] until michelle gets her sword back the cirella she has it mm-hmm she's just been carrying like a

[00:57:39] metal pole oh yeah he got it for her and then he then what happened to it i don't know they

[00:57:47] didn't show us because she had to go back into the crm so maybe she hid it somewhere in those passages

[00:57:55] and she gets at the crm yeah because they were in the helicopter so she just didn't have

[00:58:00] yeah she couldn't have it with her there she couldn't have it out in the open yeah okay

[00:58:06] the crm has helicopters military bases high-end weaponry and an extensive military i feel that r&m

[00:58:13] are foolishly cavalier to turn against them the whispers were able to destroy their protective

[00:58:20] walls with a few tree sap fire bombs that's such a good point i think that rick's instincts at

[00:58:25] the beginning of the show to stay at the crm was much wiser but less heroic are they still

[00:58:32] going to feel real stupid when they find out they're fucking with the wrong people

[00:58:36] lol long live the walking dead six episodes ain't enough j-dust r-i-p that was great

[00:58:45] well he was trying to do something from the inside which was to change the crm so that they could

[00:58:51] carry on with their mission but not in such a brutal way um but now i feel like they're just

[00:58:56] gonna try to take it down from the inside yeah all right next call from Alex Kruger

[00:59:02] hey all Alex Kruger here long time listener first time caller leaving feedback for the ones who live

[00:59:08] episode five cool uh at the end of the day i'm going to miss pollyanna mackintosh she was captivating

[00:59:14] every time she stepped on screen i don't know many who could have played her so well even with all

[00:59:19] of the horrible things she did i'll miss her presence as the show goes on speaking of as the show

[00:59:24] goes on i can't see this series being a one off it just doesn't add up i know it's the walking dead

[00:59:30] and happy endings are far from mandated but i just don't see how they can retrieve the dacia

[00:59:35] blow up the crm and return to aliexandria in the space of one episode furthermore i can't see them

[00:59:41] hiring terio quinn for such a uh to this point minor role even if he has ample screen time in

[00:59:47] the finale it feels like they've wasted an amazing actor that plays for lack of a better phrase both

[00:59:52] john lock and the man in black masterfully i thought if he could bring some of that smoke monster

[00:59:57] energy to the walking dead universe he could be the most compelling big bad of all time and so far

[01:00:02] honestly it's just been set dressing i'd like to think amc finally learned a lesson and are

[01:00:07] waiting until after the season ends to announce the season two because of the backlash of revealing

[01:00:12] the spin-offs before twd proper ended and we the fans knowing nigan maggy and derro were safe from death

[01:00:19] narratively speaking i just can't see how this story ends in one more episode

[01:00:24] i'm sure plenty of folks will disagree and there are easily a hundred reasons why it would be

[01:00:27] really hard to continue this show but until i'm not allowed to anymore i'm going to believe we'll

[01:00:32] receive an announcement for a season two that's it for me this week keep up to great work

[01:00:39] he's got to be a podcaster i know his voice was very mad you're ready professional voice yeah

[01:00:45] yeah good job i totally agree with you for the reasons you said terio quinn has been under you so far

[01:00:52] gimpils learned is less than about not announcing things ahead of time but he's being really coy about

[01:00:57] it in my opinion if there wasn't going to be another season he would have no reason not to just say

[01:01:03] nope this is it you know don't give people the hope and then when it's over say psych

[01:01:09] and also the echelon briefing you know i feel like whatever that is is going to open story potential

[01:01:17] that i don't think will be you know used to its fullest in 45 minutes next week same with the

[01:01:22] CRM they've been around for years they've been seeding this story for so long and i feel like

[01:01:26] there could be so much more to being inside of it and working within it and stories within it

[01:01:32] and stuff like that so i just it just really feels to be like there's more seasons coming

[01:01:38] i hope so could be wrong could be wrong all right Stephanie burgeous says i wanted to say how much

[01:01:44] i love the podcast thank you Stephanie i found it a few weeks ago and have spent those weeks

[01:01:49] binging thank you both for your in-depth and insightful look into the ones who live

[01:01:54] couple of thoughts questions on episode five one rick and michelle are back in sync and back in action

[01:02:00] and it was beautiful to watch if anyone could take down the CRM and get home they can

[01:02:05] hope you're right two jadis is finding out a monologue reminded me of andria's final monologue in season

[01:02:11] three much like andria jadis didn't want more people to die wanted to protect her friends and

[01:02:16] believe she was doing the right thing even though for our characters purposes it was completely wrong

[01:02:22] i'm not a fan of the jadis and character but polyanamacutosh acted the hell out of her

[01:02:28] i don't really remember the details of what was going on with andria remember she was with

[01:02:32] milton yeah i think she was just trying to make peace between the governor and

[01:02:39] and rick everybody else wanted everyone to get along

[01:02:43] yeah yeah i mean like jadis a lot of people didn't like andria either

[01:02:50] uh three maybe i missed it but how did jadis get the ring did gay real give it to her does this

[01:02:55] mean that gay real knows rick is alive and it was great to see gay real even for a few brief moments

[01:03:01] he gave it to her as a sign of faith basically to try to get her to

[01:03:07] give over to her inside i would say and um it doesn't mean gay real knows that rick is alive in fact

[01:03:15] it was sort of if he thought rick was alive he might not have given it to jadis because he would have

[01:03:21] wanted to save it for rick for later i think four based on this episode and less episode six

[01:03:26] is a long episode i think we may be getting a season two yep i agree oh one final thought in season

[01:03:33] one of daryl dixton daryl is on the radio with carol at the junkyard she mentions that someone

[01:03:38] has come home and that has taken some getting used to but who was not mentioned as it breaks up when

[01:03:43] she says the names this may be an easter egg that rick and mishon have come home i feel like she

[01:03:51] would have had a little bit more of an excitement in her voice about that right that's what i think

[01:03:57] to but who knows i mean they may not have wanted her to sound excited because that would have given

[01:04:03] it away i don't know right i think i was thinking it was Morgan but oh yeah that makes sense

[01:04:13] yeah i think it might be Morgan that that would be cool all right here's a call from and when

[01:04:19] hi jason and lucy i loved this episode i thought it had such great locations but of a variety

[01:04:25] in pacing i loved loved loved all the stuff with jadis and gaybrill i thought that was so captivating

[01:04:33] i just adored watching him i thought it was fantastic everything made sense to me it made sense

[01:04:38] that they'd started on their journey it made sense that jadis would actually follow them

[01:04:43] all of the scenes with her were incredible acting as outstanding and i thought it was a great

[01:04:49] end to her arc as well it made sense to me with her character especially after seeing what had happened

[01:04:55] with Gabe that she would have that sort of small redemption arc at the end everything made sense to

[01:05:01] me except the only thing that really didn't was why three such bumbling idiots would still be alive

[01:05:09] in the zombie apocalypse what 12 years later or whatever it is now i would have thought that people

[01:05:17] at this stage would either be dead or there'd be an larger community it seems weird to me that you'd

[01:05:22] have these idiots bumbling around and trying to get in each other's way anyway good riddance to them

[01:05:29] they were eaten by the calcified geysers zombies so it was all and all really good loved it loved

[01:05:37] it loved it can't wait to see what happens with the next episode this is such a good series

[01:05:43] and i'm super excited to see what's next and i guess you can't wrap it all up in one episode

[01:05:48] this probably gonna be a season two right anyway bye

[01:05:55] yep um next up is Dan Yehl to meant juiced on first watch i feel disappointed that the decision to

[01:06:03] return was so simple i get how it might be intellectually simple but it ought to be emotionally

[01:06:11] damn near impossible for Rick to walk back into his trauma even if he believes it's what he needs to do

[01:06:19] michelle finally bought him out of his mental prison and it seems like they aren't paying proper

[01:06:26] respect to everything we saw him go through last week i will rewatch multiple times i'm sure

[01:06:32] and see if i have new feelings other than that the stakes fell high and the story made sense

[01:06:39] jesus would never just believe that they both died in that crash so i'm glad that they did it

[01:06:44] this way i assume she killed gabe and now i'm wondering who she was talking about that she killed

[01:06:53] without getting the getting to say the thing she needed to say can i agree that i think that was

[01:06:59] hawk yeah that's hawk from world beyond yeah uh sometimes that has always bugged me something that

[01:07:07] has always bugged me and i've never heard anyone talk about is the ring michelle war around her neck

[01:07:15] after rick left she started wearing what looks like a wedding band on a cord around her neck

[01:07:21] she also had it on the ones who lived until she got back to crm it felt like something to do with

[01:07:29] Rick but it didn't make sense the only thing i could think of is that she was wearing the ring

[01:07:35] rick left on the dresser in aliexandria which was his wedding ring from his marriage to lori and

[01:07:42] that seemed a little odd does anyone have any insight about this i mean i think it's not a very

[01:07:49] satisfying answer but i think the whole idea that rick and michelle were already married is a

[01:07:55] retcon so they could do this proposal and that the reason she had a ring around her neck was because

[01:08:01] it was their wedding ring but so then the writers would have to make up some other story about

[01:08:06] what that was with this retcon you know yeah i don't know because they'd they'd called each

[01:08:15] other husband a wife before so i think the idea was that they were married and that she was wearing

[01:08:19] their wedding ring um i don't know otherwise yeah we could just make something up there was some

[01:08:26] special ring for some reason but uh i think also i agree with you daniel that rick seemed to get

[01:08:35] over his troubles really quick in fact i thought even at the end of last week's episode when they were

[01:08:39] in the car together and he's like we can take on the whole world i'm like wow you seem to get over

[01:08:43] that really quick but um for this episode i think it's a bit of artistic license because they really

[01:08:48] wanted to have a fun honeymoon light romance episode and so they just kind of ignored that but

[01:08:54] i do think you have a really good point about it andru sterla chini nice to see gabriel but he was

[01:09:01] just brought back for the ring seemed sort of out of place hard to believe rick and michelle

[01:09:06] escape only to run across a trio that inept this far into the apocalypse and don't take them

[01:09:12] completely out very predictable as usual for the walking dead look a different zombie that is

[01:09:18] tough to kill wait rick and michelle can do it they can do anything together pull a gun on us

[01:09:25] ha don't you know we have the plot armor i just promised to be nice umkay i've never felt the

[01:09:32] chemistry that some claim rick and michelle have and it seems like they're beating us over the head

[01:09:37] with it this season see they really really like each other not much in the main show so we have

[01:09:43] to make up for it here in sex i mean six episodes that's what they wrote not me so jesus finds them

[01:09:50] seriously not believable at all she can track rappers from a helicopter look out there's a bullet

[01:10:00] stopping mattress in the apocalypse now but kevlar can't stop a hatchet and of course

[01:10:06] the files are where the summit will be which has been telegraphed as the ending since they first

[01:10:11] mentioned it this felt very last of us and not in a good way we waited this long for this story

[01:10:18] oh andrew like i don't disagree with this point and i'm still just sort of like overlooking that

[01:10:28] or trying to overlook that stuff and enjoy it for what it is but i hear you

[01:10:33] yeah it's a lot of department of suspension to disbelief

[01:10:37] yeah i mean another thing that helps us swallow that a little bit is if you watch world be out

[01:10:44] and you saw that she was this investigator you know yeah but yeah the only other thing they

[01:10:51] sort of the beginning was nice to see Gabriel but he was just brought back for the ring and i

[01:10:55] think we've already talked about this would i feel like he was really important for us understanding

[01:11:01] and slash jesus's internal struggle and kind of bringing that story some closure and so i felt

[01:11:07] like he was there for more than that plus like i loved it oh yeah he was there for the nostalgia

[01:11:12] and also and i think another listener says this later but it also showed that maybe

[01:11:20] an even bigger reason that jesus wasn't telling the cr of about Alexandria was Gabriel not just

[01:11:25] protecting Rick you know all right here's a call from jema hi jason and lucy this is jema calling

[01:11:32] for himself fails with feedback for us ep 5 of the ones to live i really enjoyed the absurd i guess

[01:11:40] at quite a few moments which is always nice the first one being Gabriel coming back and i was like

[01:11:47] wow it's father Gabriel did not expect i was expecting i think Morgan or judeith maybe when they said

[01:11:54] it was going to be another actor from the main show so it was nice to see him and his it was obviously

[01:12:00] it made sense to me then once he showed up because you know him and and had a relationship before

[01:12:06] and it was a nice way of tying her conscience and and the fact that you know she's coming back to

[01:12:12] see him all the time as a fact that she maybe hadn't quite bought into the crm or she felt guilty about

[01:12:18] it and Gabriel still had height to the real world or Alexandria then i guess when jesus sprang on

[01:12:27] that i i knew that she was going to chase after them but i think yeah but so plain in a way that you

[01:12:31] kind of forgot because we had the you know montage at the beginning with the music and the noodles

[01:12:37] and they find this romantic cabin and i think that takes you out of the previous episode

[01:12:44] so then when she showed up i was like oh my god it's jesus so yeah also i think there was a scene

[01:12:50] of jesus and Gabriel just before that but she was very much in her and persona and then it switches

[01:12:58] over to rick and michelle so you don't expect to see her and then full on crm jesus just suddenly pops

[01:13:03] up right there too it made it more unexpected i thought it's quite a few days moments and i think

[01:13:10] the reason she didn't kill them straight away is because again i don't think she really wanted them

[01:13:16] dead it was like a half-hearted attempt really and yeah i don't think she genuinely wants a red dead

[01:13:23] and like she's fighting with this conscious part of herself it's like almost there's like two people

[01:13:28] like a split personality going on in her mind um the red shirt as soon as i saw them i'm like oh they're

[01:13:35] dead you're dead you're dead you're dead it's just no hope and i just i knew those like stealth

[01:13:41] zombies so just gonna come out everywhere i did like the crusted heads and stuff i thought that was a

[01:13:46] good way but um i think in the chat we were discussing like the stealth zombies and the fact is

[01:13:52] something realistic for people that they can just jump up there you know they're not scary anymore

[01:13:57] and i think thus we at the end of walking dead and then on daraldics and we're the very

[01:14:02] and walkers come really like it was just really cool to see because they pose a new different kind

[01:14:09] of frat you know and then i think i don't know what you know there's some inconsistency about one

[01:14:15] into bringing them back maybe on the one sort of i'm not sure um what else yeah i liked um just all

[01:14:23] the interactions jane's backstory and um i really appreciated seeing gladden as well in the

[01:14:29] episode and i think the show is really good about making an homage to a memory of characters like

[01:14:37] Carl and gladden and it was just so nice to see him and i get really emotional the way that

[01:14:42] i'm the same way of Carl um because it's you know they and i watch all that but so's all the time

[01:14:49] is you know and i watched the one this week when um um um car um gladden was tied to a chair and he

[01:14:54] fights off a walker and chair and i'm like oh yeah he's so badass and he just became such

[01:14:59] just really good like leader and i just i don't think you're ever gonna get over the glen and

[01:15:06] of those things um but anyway yeah i am looking forward to seeing how they wrap this up i'm not

[01:15:12] sure how it's gonna be done but from the trailer it looks like they're just gonna

[01:15:16] mesh it up as uh moose i would say so yeah i'm looking forward to a podcast um loving it and

[01:15:24] everything you do and oh i thought i would do this week he's on be noise because i haven't done one

[01:15:29] while so here's mine uh nice thanks bye very good

[01:15:38] and i was such a sweet voice it's hard to imagine hers as a zombie here we go

[01:15:45] i think she meant the glen painting right we didn't see glen other than that

[01:15:49] right right yeah yeah okay just want to make sure to miss something yeah it was great thank you

[01:15:56] here's Elizabeth and Schwartz who says been listening to you guys since season nine and finally

[01:16:01] decided to join the discussion awesome this show has been a roller coaster of emotions for me

[01:16:06] and i've loved every second of it this episode was giving me og walking dead vibe seeing

[01:16:10] rick mishon wandering through the wilderness taking out walkers and shutting down shenanigans with

[01:16:15] ease and a line like you don't get noodles for that father gabriel was such a lovely surprise

[01:16:22] the way they used him to reconnect us to the old and was fantastic and made her death hit that much

[01:16:27] harder but i don't think this is the last we're gonna see of the good father between his appearance

[01:16:33] morgan on his way back and the radio conversation with darrell and carol i truly think we're on the

[01:16:37] road to a full reunion an unofficial final season of the walking dead to take down the crm

[01:16:43] that's what gimpal wants or i don't know about the crm but he wants a reunion i would love it in the

[01:16:47] meantime i'll be watching the finale on the edge of my seat biting my nails into nonexistent

[01:16:52] and praying that my girl mishon makes it through i'm not too afraid for rick that would be such a

[01:16:57] dumpster gate two point o move and i think they learn their lesson hope so thanks for doing

[01:17:03] what you both do i always look forward to seeing the new episode pop up on my phone p s love the

[01:17:08] rewatch coverage i had started my own rewatch right before so it's been great revisiting with

[01:17:13] revising with y'all awesome thank you i'm glad you're watching that that's cool if jenny ryan says

[01:17:20] okay i decided to send written words instead of a voicemail to see if i need my responses any shorter

[01:17:26] here it goes one the three siblings hug boy appreciated these three and the way that jesus used them

[01:17:34] to lure in mishon and rick i was so annoyed that after they died none of our seasoned badass

[01:17:40] main characters thought to stab them in their brains before they turned real amateur move even though

[01:17:47] they died in an intense battle either rick mishon or jesus would have thought to knife them through

[01:17:52] an eye socket before returning to their fight through the death i feel like brain stabbing after

[01:17:58] killing is just muscle memory at this point and not doing it was unrealistic and therefore damp

[01:18:04] and jesus's death for me a bit too okay i have a question about zombie bites turning people

[01:18:11] if all humans have the virus why would getting bit turn you just getting bit ensure you die and

[01:18:19] therefore you turn because you turn when you die whether you've been bitten or not is the biting

[01:18:26] what kills you i have an answer for that you do yeah i saw jenny's message so i i thought i knew but

[01:18:36] i just looked it up just to be safe and i found this from robber kirkman i think he said this

[01:18:41] fairly early on but he said just to get this on the record once and for all and it's complicated

[01:18:46] i know here's how zombification works whatever makes people come back as zombies after they die

[01:18:51] it's inside them it's inside everyone no matter how anybody dies as long as the brain is intact

[01:18:57] they turn into a zombie also bites and direct blood contact with zombie gunk causes death

[01:19:04] it's a strong infection that leads to fever that kills someone then the quote virus or whatever's

[01:19:10] already in them turns them into a zombie so basically they're going to turn no matter what but if

[01:19:14] they get bitten then they get a fever and die and then they turn unless you lock off the appropriate

[01:19:20] body part right yeah three i am disappointed that neither of you brought up your episode of welcome

[01:19:29] to the apocalypse which features much ramen talk but a perfect opportunity for a cross promotion

[01:19:37] don't know how long these comments are to read but then they but man they took me 20 minutes to

[01:19:42] write never again brace yourself i'll be calling next time good yeah i like it better when you

[01:19:49] call this is great though um yeah we that was a missed opportunity i got to admit i was going to

[01:19:54] say we didn't want to spoil it but the fact is somehow it doesn't even occur to me but um we

[01:19:58] lucy and i recorded you know podcast gaskas uh zombie apocalypse improv show that jenny's on with

[01:20:04] randy and robbert and lucy and i guessed start recently the episode isn't out yet but ramen

[01:20:10] definitely plays into it in a kind of disgusting way all right here's Gloria from Salem

[01:20:19] hi lucy and jason Gloria from Salem this is for episode five of the Rick and Michele and show

[01:20:25] so first of all what an opening what a cold opening holy shit by the game i did not expect to see him

[01:20:34] but good to see him anyway and this episode really felt like the original walk in dead i loved it

[01:20:42] it's the good life in the car when they were driving yes jony Bennett i love him nice choice

[01:20:49] so rishon is always willing to help others unless they try to screw you know and then

[01:20:59] so no tasteful moods for you they were assholes poly in a macintosh wow well done what a character

[01:21:11] and what a powerful powerful performance as her arc was coming to an end i forgot that she was

[01:21:19] an artist in the walk in dead that was really nice seeing all her work again and romance is still

[01:21:26] alive in the apocalypse oh Rick you're so dam romantic i totally lost it when he got down on his

[01:21:35] oh my god i love these people they have to do a season two i mean there's no way to wrap this up

[01:21:42] next week come on finale i'm ready for you hit me with your best shot uh what have i said

[01:21:53] god okay talk to you guys later stressful right now i know need to find out what happens

[01:22:00] at least whatever happens will have daryl pretty sick and me again

[01:22:10] i was hoping that would be the response all right uh Tyler sheel says hey guys been loving

[01:22:17] the coverage as usual i actually had some issues with last week but after listening to the pod

[01:22:22] i really warmed to it and you both helped me appreciate it more awesome last week

[01:22:28] michelle and said it had been just over eight years since rj was born if rj was born eight

[01:22:33] years ago and the first jatis scabriel scene happened three years ago then that means that the entire

[01:22:39] scene happened before the first time jump where judas saves magna's group right i feel like there's

[01:22:46] something a bit off about the timeline happy to be proven wrong jatis seems to love saying

[01:22:52] protecting Alexandria by making sure nobody knows of her connection but she also loves visiting gabriel

[01:23:00] and putting it at risk thank you that's the dichotomy head spent most of the series so far thinking

[01:23:06] there's no way there would be a happy ending with them getting back home i still don't think it

[01:23:11] would make sense for rick and michelle to have made it back and it not come up in the spin-offs i'm

[01:23:17] also worried we don't have time for a satisfactory conclusion i'm nervous about the prospect of a

[01:23:22] gimbal cliffhanger as far as like the spin-offs i think yeah because derrell had left

[01:23:31] the end of the walking dead isn't too much past where we are right now as far as the final scenes

[01:23:37] there so i could see rick and michelle's storyline taking another maybe year or something and then

[01:23:45] they go back you know and the timing would work out but then with the nigan and magi series which

[01:23:51] is a few years later i like five or six years later it would you would think that magi if rick and

[01:23:58] michelle made it back magi would know but maybe it just never came up with conversation i don't know

[01:24:03] yeah or they're dead and then the last point from tyler denyand andie kept describing this

[01:24:13] series as an epic love story that thought of them both going up in flames together while they

[01:24:18] stopped the crm seems pretty epic romantic and fitting to me even though i don't want that to happen

[01:24:25] rick is my favorite character in all of fiction flaws and all i feel like that's one of the only

[01:24:30] objectively satisfying conclusions with the time left roar so by doing that some small semblance

[01:24:39] of justice but i wasn't text zombie so we did a one of those bracket style tournaments in the

[01:24:48] zed head group like a couple of year and a half ago or something with characters so he listed

[01:24:55] a ton of main characters from things that podcasticas covered and there i don't know they were like

[01:25:00] 30 or 40 characters or something and you know asked everybody in pairs to choose their favorites

[01:25:05] until it was narrowed down and at the end who what i think it was um somebody from game i think

[01:25:11] was tyrian i think it was tyrian tyrian versus rick grimes and rick one favorite of all

[01:25:17] all right here is call from tomis from arizona

[01:25:24] hey jason and lucy it's your friend tomis from a z what's up well

[01:25:31] what do i have to say uh i felt doomed this time around when i saw the previews for this episode

[01:25:44] prior to its release they subverted our expectations a little bit at least mine

[01:25:53] i was under this impression that we were going to be like haunted cabin in the middle of the woods

[01:25:59] and someone's coming after them but when they showed the person standing in the foreground

[01:26:07] of the cabin i swear on my life i thought it was morgan i know that stance that that awkward little he's

[01:26:17] kind of bolegan and he has a stand and i was like it's morgan it's totally morgan and i just think

[01:26:24] i got really excited about that which took away from me being so surprised that it was gabriel

[01:26:31] and i don't know maybe because the last episode was just so fucking

[01:26:37] rad that this one just let me down a little bit um the the cutaways with gabriel and and were just very

[01:26:47] um it just didn't fit into the story and you know now we're going through the time changing again

[01:26:55] and i can't really keep up with the relationship and had with gabriel so i'm a little at lost that

[01:27:02] where they're at in the story with the three years and the two years uh so hopefully you can explain

[01:27:07] that i haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast yet so and i haven't watched it for a second

[01:27:13] time usually after a second walk through i'll probably enjoy it a little better by hoping that

[01:27:18] you guys can make me feel a little bit better about this episode because i i really didn't like it

[01:27:23] um i really thought the cold open was dope and i thought gabriel's like gonna do some shit but

[01:27:30] it just it just didn't work for me and the narrative and the writing was a little gimp-ly if

[01:27:37] that makes sense like the words that were coming out of people's mouths just didn't make sense

[01:27:42] i will say though i teased when that guy said he peed himself

[01:27:47] so anyway i'm really enjoying listening to you guys discuss the show so hopefully um i'll feel a

[01:27:56] little bit better about this one take care guys and you know what i'm gonna leave a zombie sound

[01:28:01] because it sounds like you guys been wanting one for a minute so here we go

[01:28:04] yeah

[01:28:09] all right

[01:28:11] the farting variant

[01:28:13] i'm glad tomas has been calling it again

[01:28:15] that's good for me too for sure

[01:28:18] yeah i hope you like it better now that you listen to us and maybe watch it again

[01:28:22] i usually i can understand especially coming off the week before not being thrilled with this

[01:28:27] one but i do think it does better on a second watching a little bit of analysis

[01:28:32] i think they could have really benefited by putting year markers in this one

[01:28:39] i feel like hearing so many people confused about the timeline and i feel like it's just distracted

[01:28:44] people from what they were trying to do i really wish they had added that i mean they say

[01:28:50] like three years ago but then it could have been like right after the time jump in season

[01:28:55] i guess i would have been too much but yeah i don't know

[01:28:58] i mean i don't know if it's clearer so we really understood

[01:29:02] yeah or just like they put a little thing that says gay real is not married to Rosita

[01:29:09] okay here's Andrea mateland who says hi jason and lucy i was excited to hear your comments this week

[01:29:16] because i was not sure how to feel about this episode it was not my favorite i thought that the

[01:29:20] cheesy moments although cute were too long but then when jason said it was always meant to be a

[01:29:25] love story i thought okay i guess that makes sense i did cry when rick proposed so i promise i'm not

[01:29:32] completely heartless like lucy oh that's harsh i'm just kidding i added that it was so exciting to

[01:29:39] see father gay real again he became one of my favorites in the last seasons i also thought he might

[01:29:45] be cheating as i was confused about the timeline i never really cared for jesus so i was not sorry

[01:29:50] to see her go but i think pauliana did a great job playing her there's something i forgot last week

[01:29:56] it's kind of random but rick isn't the only one who doesn't know things we shown knows nothing

[01:30:01] about the commonwealth or that judith got shot it's just a lot when you realize how much time has

[01:30:07] gone by if they make it back they have a lot of catching up to do as for your predictions i have

[01:30:12] to agree with jason that we might lose one of them and then it would most likely be mishon

[01:30:16] hoping we're all wrong yeah i hope i'm wrong thanks jason and lucy i look forward to your podcast

[01:30:21] so much it makes my day i did not consider that but i think you're right that mishon left before they

[01:30:28] were really in contact with the commonwealth right yeah even before the whisperers were fully

[01:30:33] defeated yeah okay yeah that's right yep all right here's krisa from portland hey jason and lucy

[01:30:42] this is krisa from portland i am talking about the one to live episode five become so i loved it

[01:30:58] was really good i had so much empathy for jesus finding meaning and purpose is critical

[01:31:08] for a human being and when you don't have it or if it's destructive the fallout is devastating so i

[01:31:16] have so much empathy for her trying to find meaning and purpose um but you need meaning that builds

[01:31:24] people up not tear them down you know so um or shown i loved how they shrugged off almost getting

[01:31:32] mugged i would have panicked and they just kind of get into formation and do their thing i absolutely

[01:31:37] love it um i loved his little romantic uh off the cuff creating a romantic night for them that was

[01:31:48] so cute um i adored the proposal um i just love how their relationship has been portrayed with such

[01:31:56] care and maturity throughout the series i i do feel that it didn't get a lot of shine and focus

[01:32:02] because it happened right when nigan the storyline started with nigan so just as a black woman i

[01:32:10] i just love seeing her character illustrate all the shades of humanity that has been such a delight

[01:32:16] for me um it's still one thing that i appreciate about her portrayal versus the comic which i have

[01:32:23] issues with um so i can't wait for next week um nervous but i'm hopeful um have been really enjoying

[01:32:31] your coverage um before i go i will do the zombie moon here we go

[01:32:45] nice that was super embarrassing that hurt a little bit anyway um let me guys

[01:32:55] wait the watch the finale by real art hurts sometimes so i'm just getting appreciate that thank you

[01:33:02] chrissa um yeah yeah it's been great to see michelle develop over the years and deepen in everything

[01:33:14] like she does it all like wears her heart on her sleeve and is a badass like she yeah sometimes

[01:33:22] she's like the whole thing with the kids she's got she has her own trauma that she has struggles

[01:33:31] with and things you know she's just very perfect but i realize character yeah it's great

[01:33:37] okay and this is from dina hello jason and lucy just watched the episode and enjoyed this not

[01:33:44] nod to the daryl and rick dorgham estipade with the humor madcap car chase

[01:33:51] amita's banter and partnering between rick and mishon jatis as a more dangerous jesus and of course

[01:33:58] the toothpaste it was fun to accompany the two on their date night and listen in on the conversation

[01:34:06] and how could we forget the guest appearance of jack daniel's jatis she drove me nuts in the

[01:34:13] main show but i've enjoyed her company in this spin-off and feel her story was cut off too soon

[01:34:20] like many and myself included despite all her striving and never found herself or purpose in life

[01:34:27] until it was too late when she said i wish i had died an artist i got very choked out

[01:34:34] with all the book daniel going on in this country her line art is truth really popped out at me

[01:34:41] it mirrors the art theme in the daryl show and luke's mission to preserve the gift of music

[01:34:47] in the main show so true art survives the apocalypse and it'll survive book banners too

[01:34:54] except for and's death it was a fairly predictable episode so i expect next week will be a nail

[01:35:00] fighter of a cliffhanger as i can't see how they'll complete the story in just one episode

[01:35:06] long live ass land but i'll miss you white witch oh nice nice little reference there

[01:35:14] what if next week is just like a totally rushed conclusion and that's it i'm so worried

[01:35:20] i'm so worried what you did thanks deena that was great here's oin from leads

[01:35:28] go mornin jesna luci this is oin in leeds in england walking to lila in the cram

[01:35:34] i didn't send one in for episode four very briefly episode four

[01:35:38] they acted this shit out of that and the end of the night i was standing just great episode

[01:35:46] very touching when it came to him saying he basically couldn't remember cow i started crying

[01:35:53] i think especially as a dad to a little boy just i griced couldn't imagine it very painful

[01:35:59] and it just shows how great the writing was by deny garera episode five i don't think it was as good

[01:36:08] in episode but what i will say is that episode four was arguably one of the best episodes

[01:36:14] that i've seen in many many many many years many seasons so if it had to live up to it but it was a

[01:36:20] good episode i enjoyed having gay brilp um that's up me by surprise i assumed that jades would catch

[01:36:27] up with them which obviously she did but then i liked the the last three years with jadecans

[01:36:34] gabs and it showed that the actual reason she wasn't telling where our exandria was had nothing to

[01:36:41] do with the fact that she was looking out for briccan is family it was all because she did more gay brilp

[01:36:46] to be dead so there you go in full circle nice little bit overall why isn't episode with some

[01:36:55] little bit of the other walking dead style bad guy tropes the three guys and the tall boy

[01:37:03] who screamed like little girl whilst he was being devoured by the zed but there we go all in all

[01:37:12] i just said it was a good episode i enjoyed it oh yeah on the episode six and quite clearly we're

[01:37:19] gonna need a season two and then some kind of Avengers style come together with darrell nigan

[01:37:29] arrell two less except maggy and you'll ever else want to strip on both okay thank you guys

[01:37:37] hope you well don't get me like i threw a little shade at maggy there at the end

[01:37:45] that's great i'm glad you liked the um episode four it's cool all right uh i'm not sure if

[01:37:51] i'm gonna pronounce this right but on ya rights hello so i knew i went and because blown away by

[01:37:57] this episode like i was by episode four and i agree it was screaming gimpil it really felt like an

[01:38:03] old the walking dead episode and i didn't mind that i liked the proposal scene and the way Andrew

[01:38:09] acted it out so planned out and the way denied just smiled also i loved that she got down on his

[01:38:14] level which just proved there a partnership and equal in all aspects gay bril i didn't expect them to

[01:38:21] show up but i loved seeing him i don't really understand why he was so forgiving to and slash jesus

[01:38:27] but i liked that he showed us the kind of human side of her i still don't like her but it made me

[01:38:32] tolerate her a little bit more also her death scene i saw someone on reddit say imagine dying with

[01:38:40] that haircut i'm still giggling over that i can't take it seriously i'm scared for the last episode

[01:38:47] i'm 100% sure we're getting a season two but i don't want to go back to the crm

[01:38:52] also imagine how terrified rick must be to go back to the place where they suck the life out of him

[01:38:58] uh i'm already crying good point and my final point is we need more sassy grimes

[01:39:05] asshole was so funny for no reason i just need to see that i braw raise he gave jesus when he

[01:39:11] distra hair i love ander linkin so much thanks for reading guys i'm always excited for the podcast

[01:39:19] every episode you point out something i miss and i'm happy there are so many of us still crying

[01:39:24] and screaming over the walking dead yes i agree so much they should have rick be impacted by having

[01:39:32] to go back when he was mentally ready to go home and now oh no i guess i am going back to this place

[01:39:39] where they held me prisoner for eight years or whatever that that that would hurt you know

[01:39:45] that'd be tough even rick rimes even someone like that all right here's johnny from texas

[01:39:52] so he just is johnny from texas i love the podcast i've been missing for quite some time now

[01:39:59] i just want to share my thoughts with y'all real quick about how father gabriel kept mentioning

[01:40:05] i think it was only once he mentioned that alie xandria got attacked and i don't know if he's

[01:40:10] talking about the whispers or not i'm not sure who he's referring to it made me think a lot and

[01:40:18] then i got to thinking about jaydas well if jaydas never left i'm thinking that she probably would have

[01:40:25] definitely became a whisperer i wouldn't have been able to see the haircuts anymore

[01:40:31] well let me know what y'all think i'm excited for the finale and i'm gonna leave it on a good note

[01:40:43] you got the bring in it that's cool i can't believe it um maybe she's tried everything else

[01:40:53] he she is a joiner yeah that's right and she does like to join whoever who seems to be surviving the

[01:41:00] best so could you imagine her and beta the pair that would be towering over everyone i would hope she'd

[01:41:09] figure out a way to keep the haircut with the mask um i uh what else did he say oh i'm positive

[01:41:17] gabriel was talking about the whispers attacking alie xandria because he said they were all starving

[01:41:23] too or they were you know their rations were lower whatever and that's what was happening

[01:41:27] during that i was great johnny hupie callin again here's amy from brisbane australia she says hi

[01:41:34] jason and lucy thank you for your comments on my theory that i sent in for episode three feedback

[01:41:39] basically she said that she thought michelle would die um and lucy i'm sorry i made you so sad

[01:41:45] it looks like i might be wrong with my theory though which i'm very glad about i wonder why she

[01:41:49] thinks that from something from the scenes from next week i don't think i watched it uh she goes on

[01:41:56] i have a couple questions for you but i'm sending this in before the episode five podcasts has been

[01:41:59] released so you may have addressed this already my first question is what do you make of the very first

[01:42:03] scene with father gabriel i was very surprised to see him and really enjoyed it the first scene

[01:42:09] with him is different to all the other scenes which were related to jadeus in those scenes he's

[01:42:13] carrying a basket of food and drink and is not wearing a hooded jacket however in the opening scene

[01:42:17] he's wearing a hooded jacket and he's without food when he hears the helicopter when he hears the

[01:42:21] helicopter he also doesn't seem surprised he's immediately afraid almost like he knows something

[01:42:26] about them what are your thoughts are we to infer that the first gabriel scene is one from the future

[01:42:33] maybe so i don't i just think it would be startling to see a helicopter at all

[01:42:39] i don't know if this means that he's going to be in the story more i kind of think no

[01:42:45] but i could be wrong no my second point is about how the show has found ways to acknowledge all

[01:42:53] the characters that helped rickid mishon or were integral to their story and development in some way

[01:42:58] i really appreciated it they nod to morgan through the bow staff they show carl they acknowledge

[01:43:04] glen through jadeus painting they mentioned derral eugenian and rosita and of course are j and jude

[01:43:10] and even nigan i haven't picked up on any references to maggy or carol have you noticed any nods

[01:43:16] to them or any other characters i actually didn't notice all those characters but i agree with you i

[01:43:23] like like when they acknowledge other characters like that i don't remember them saying anything about

[01:43:28] like nigan in this i didn't remember nigan i you know so the paintings bath was also their besagglian

[01:43:36] oh yeah but yeah i don't know i kind of want to focus on that watching

[01:43:43] right yeah if you could write back a me and let us know where some of these came up that would be

[01:43:48] awesome if you if you feel like it she goes on if it's okay i want to shout out to callin

[01:43:53] who provided feedback in the last episode and mentioned autism and anxiety callin i am diagnosed

[01:43:59] the same well done for working through the anxiety to callin i'm hoping to do the same one day

[01:44:05] jason and luci are so kind and thoughtful in responding to people's feedback that you provide a safe

[01:44:09] space for people like us to write and callin thank you i'm looking forward to listening to more of

[01:44:13] your thoughts don't get bit well thanks for mentioning that yeah that that's that's great i hope

[01:44:18] you callin at some point you cool all right here's robin

[01:44:25] morning y'all it's me um this episode uh the first time i watched it i was kind of

[01:44:31] unmoved and uh felt like the whole thing was just way too obtuse the conversations between

[01:44:37] jayton gabriel but that could have been because i was babysitting my daughter's pet

[01:44:41] peper so that he wouldn't get out when the landlord came over to check something in the apartment

[01:44:46] and he was being a major past uh so i watched it again and still felt a little bit like they kind of

[01:44:55] backloaded an awful lot of of um humanity and uh feelings into jayton's that we really never had

[01:45:03] much of a hint of before this although i didn't see the world beyond so i don't know they might have

[01:45:10] given that in that program so yeah but the conversations for sure in her and gabriel were really

[01:45:17] interesting and um they you know uh especially at the end when she said she was she had died an artist

[01:45:25] it kind of really underlined that fact that she had so much to regret um that even though she was

[01:45:31] really really committed to the crm she was very afraid of losing another community and um made all

[01:45:38] the choices that she made to you know i don't know like it was she really bought into saving the world

[01:45:45] i guess she must have been in some way to uh you know to justify all the awful things that

[01:45:51] she told gabriel that she had done um and her death of course was really i was really moved by it

[01:45:58] the second time through it reminded me a lot of andria's death um a character that had made so many

[01:46:05] mistakes and made so many wrong choices and read so many situations the wrong way um finally at the

[01:46:13] end just unburdening herself of her regrets and and um you know knowing that it was over

[01:46:21] and uh that was really that was really moving especially you know then that shot of rick

[01:46:26] pointing the gun and helping her leave the world um it was really it really got to me the second time

[01:46:32] um i had to laugh when she said good morning love birds you guys left a trail you know in your yellow

[01:46:38] truck of ram and rapper ramen rappers um you know all the way down the highway and the look on

[01:46:44] michelle's face she was like oh shit you know um but i thought those teenagers in love completely

[01:46:50] let down their guard when they thought everybody would think they were dead um because of the

[01:46:55] the helicopter crash it's pretty true it was it's the litter box it's kind of common goal um but

[01:47:01] you know the the rest of it they successfully red herringed us into thinking that gabriel was

[01:47:07] confident that she killed but i'm guessing it must have been the character from the world beyond

[01:47:12] that they show her stabbing um uh i guess i don't know i'm i'm pretty sure that must be it

[01:47:19] but it was it was a really deep um episode uh that really i guess maybe it would even benefit

[01:47:27] from a third time through um not sure i'm kind of dreading and also looking forward to the final

[01:47:33] episode they're gonna go back and it's really just not gonna end well i i fear that it's just not

[01:47:39] gonna end well for our our people that we love so much so um i guess i'll leave it there and

[01:47:47] i will talk to you soon bye y'all all right that was great thank you robin uh Christina back again

[01:47:55] to say Lucy i would not only love to discuss but read a dissertation you write about michelle's

[01:48:01] characterization i did one myself an audio version that was six hours long dissecting michelle and

[01:48:08] her relationship with ric i love when big brains delve into things because correct me if i'm wrong

[01:48:15] but i feel like with some of the very real themes this show brings up takes a certain emotional

[01:48:20] maturity to grasp otherwise two quick points on last week's episode feedback someone mentioned

[01:48:27] that the sex between were shown was unnecessary or a fan-ficked type of storytelling however i

[01:48:34] vehemently disagree and not only because i needed to get tall lubin candles moonlighting

[01:48:40] and my microscope ought to make sure i miss none of her expires

[01:48:44] sex isn't just an act of lust it's a way to communicate with your body in ways words cannot

[01:48:51] the act of love making leads to vulnerability intimacy at another form of understanding

[01:48:56] between two people it's that love-making that softened michelle stands in that moment of erotic

[01:49:04] but complete unguardedness rick's anxiety erupted provided her the necessary insight into his psyche

[01:49:13] second point is the reference to daryl many people heard his name mentioned and shouted daryl

[01:49:19] meets his brother now of course this is a knee jerk response to a fan favorite character being

[01:49:26] mentioned but going back to micro aggressions it's an unconscious bias that diminishes

[01:49:32] michelle's emotional impact by casually tossing aside her worth in favor of that bond

[01:49:39] this is not a chess stysement by any means but something to keep in mind when insistently

[01:49:45] inserting him into a slot reserved for her i love daryl not enough to watch on his own but

[01:49:52] i too would love to see our fan back together this week we say goodbye to jesus and the brilliant

[01:50:00] polymacintosh while most of her dialogue with gabriel and relationship is reflective of michelle and

[01:50:06] rick's back and forth from last episode and her fearder than motivations i was instead

[01:50:12] reminded of michelle's conversation with murl back in season three and morgan with rick

[01:50:19] in the same season humanity has had a hard time admitting fear is a primordial characteristic

[01:50:26] that for better and worse has motivated and driven the species since evolution it was at the heart

[01:50:33] of why murl couldn't just go back to a community feeling that he would never be accepted having done

[01:50:40] the things he's done sound familiar and self-sacrifice himself as the only act of atonement he could

[01:50:47] conceive last week rick said i don't want to i have to morgan echoed these words in clear when

[01:50:56] rick tried to discourage encourage him to rejoin his group and his choice was to rid the walkers

[01:51:02] of the world and remain alone and kind of a dick since he just robbed passerby

[01:51:09] jesus morgan murl hell even andria needed to die on the hill they posted their flag on

[01:51:18] for disillusioned altruistic reasons because the thought of leading that hill was too emotionally

[01:51:24] crippling well i don't think i have all the threads woven i did want to bring up the symmetry between

[01:51:31] not only present but past relationships and similar challenges both rick and michelle faced

[01:51:37] that defines why they are the ones who live by choosing a life that is precarious

[01:51:44] and full of uncertainties and a leadership in that life that will assuage the fear

[01:51:50] many are held back from it's what makes a leader a leader an a and a a a life worth living wow

[01:52:00] that's great impressive i am i'm not sure exactly what you're saying about saying that daryl

[01:52:09] you know needs his brother or that wanting the reunion between rick and daryl

[01:52:15] is somehow a diminishing of you said mo michelle's emotional impact by casually tossing

[01:52:22] aside her worth in favor of that bond um i don't know if you met something that we were saying on

[01:52:28] the podcast or what but i definitely really want rick to be able to reunite with daryl and their

[01:52:35] storyline has really moved me in this series seeing how they started off at odds and came to be

[01:52:41] for all intents and purposes brothers and especially i think back on the scene with the

[01:52:47] climbers where daryl had joined up with the climbers and was just leaving this living this depraved

[01:52:52] existence and then ran into rick and the climbers were about to i think rape carol and rick bit one

[01:52:59] of their throats out and they killed them all and then daryl and rick were sitting beside this

[01:53:04] truck all bloodied and daryl looked ashamed and he said he was sorry and rick said you don't need

[01:53:11] to apologize you're my brother or something like that you know it's just a beautiful beautiful moment

[01:53:16] and then daryl when rick went missing daryl spent years looking for him literally off on his own

[01:53:21] looking for his brother and that's what he told people you know i'm looking for my brother that's

[01:53:26] we told lia and so man i think that's a beautiful relationship and i don't think it diminishes rick

[01:53:32] and mishonet all to want daryl to be reunited with rick at some point that's my opinion about that

[01:53:39] that's how i felt too that if it had been the other way around and it was daryl who had somehow been

[01:53:45] the one that found rick i would be wishing like talk about mishon like i think it would be a

[01:53:51] reverse because i think they're both very important relationships to them and judeith and rj i mean

[01:53:57] i want him to meet everybody i didn't want him to talk about daryl at the expense of not focusing

[01:54:02] on mishon i just i yeah went that family all back together yeah um absolutely but i hope you

[01:54:11] write it again because that was brilliant it would be great to have uh luci here to respond to

[01:54:15] something that you've said okay here's uh fiona from scottland hi guys uh fiona from scottland here

[01:54:25] just want to say hi i'm loving the show i'm a new listener i've just started listening to you guys

[01:54:30] along with the ones who live i wish i'd been there um right from the beginning because your show is fab

[01:54:36] so thank you i wanted to comment on whether there's going to be a season two i read last week i can't

[01:54:42] remember where i read it though but scott gimpall said that after mage and nigan show was announced

[01:54:49] before the end of once uh before the end of walk and dead that people were pissed and then

[01:54:56] dadel dexan show what um season two was announced before season one had even aired and people were pissed

[01:55:04] and he will not be making same mistake again so therefore i have surmised that they are not going to

[01:55:11] announce the second season until the end for that very reason but there will be a second season

[01:55:19] that's my thoughts thanks for listening um maybe you can go back to heck that somewhere but um

[01:55:27] because i can't remember where i read it but i am highly confident that this show will continue

[01:55:34] he's just not going to make that mistake and then set and annoy people so um bye i look forward

[01:55:41] to next week show i know japhry de morgan was upset that they announced

[01:55:47] the nigan spinoff before walking to the end because he didn't want people to know whether he made

[01:55:51] it through or not for sure i know some fans yeah yeah some fans were upset that they announced a second

[01:56:01] season of derl but then fans are upset that they're not saying whether there's going to be a second

[01:56:06] season of rick so fans just get upset

[01:56:21] so

[01:56:35] obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens

[01:56:38] the people it kills get up and tell are they slow moving she yeah they're dead they're all messed up

[01:56:44] but this is a walking deadcast news update

[01:56:48] okay Seth gilliam talked with entertainment weekly they said tell me how and when this all came

[01:56:55] together in terms of you coming back he said Scott gippel gave me a call we spoke for about an hour

[01:57:00] and a half about life and everything else i thought it was one of those Scott gippel check-in calls

[01:57:05] because he's a very thoughtful guy he still sends birthday gifts and messages and just calls

[01:57:10] to check on you and see how you're doing so i'm dumping and dumping and dumping and then after

[01:57:14] about an hour and a half he's like so anyhow i have this idea and then he told me about his idea

[01:57:20] of the same time next year kind of deal between and slash jadeus and father gay real it seemed really

[01:57:26] cool a cool way to introduce father gay real back into the universe of the walking dead they said

[01:57:30] what was it like to be back on the walking dead set with some familiar faces but also a lot of new

[01:57:36] faces on the crew and a new jersey and not Georgia he says it was cool it was a different crew except

[01:57:41] for the wardrobe department but they were just as eager and had just as much fervor for the material

[01:57:46] in the show as the walking dead crew in Georgia did i guess it's something infectious about working

[01:57:50] on that kind of material and knowing the energy that you get from the people at the top between

[01:57:55] Scott and Denise Hooth and Greg Nick a tarot so you want to do your best so i got there and i was like

[01:58:01] well let me not be the guy that screws everything up they said how nice was it to get in a

[01:58:06] car from New York city to get to the set and not have to jump on a plane he said it was a little

[01:58:11] trippy i kept hearing the theme song to the sopranos going from Manhattan into new jersey and it

[01:58:16] was convenient but weird because though i live in new york i hardly ever get to work in new york if

[01:58:22] it's not a play pretty much everything i shoot is out of town so the idea that oh i could sleep

[01:58:27] my own bed and there'd be a car to pick me up in the morning and i'd be home within depending

[01:58:31] on traffic half an hour it was a little weird it was like did it happen because i'm back in my

[01:58:36] apartment same day and i'm like was i actually just on the set shooting father Gabriel stuff

[01:58:41] i thought that was kind of interesting that's fun um they said what was it like sharing scenes with

[01:58:47] polyen again it sucked no i'm just kidding he's great it was fantastic i love polyenna i love

[01:58:55] her process i love her energy i love her spirit i love her creativity so that was one of the things

[01:59:01] that got me excited in the conversation with scott when he mentioned that my scenes would be

[01:59:05] solely with polyenna i hadn't thought i'd be working with her again especially not with those

[01:59:09] characters let's see said what did you think of the scenes that you guys had together meeting on

[01:59:15] that log once a year he said father Gabriel doesn't say as much it's just that he was there for her

[01:59:21] i think those scenes speak volumes in the way in which she's able to share with him what she can't

[01:59:27] with other people i think they speak volumes to the connection that they actually had and it makes

[01:59:31] sense to me that he would make this kind of deal with her just to check in and make sure that she

[01:59:36] was still someone who could live with herself i thought it was very brave on her part and very generous

[01:59:41] on his so it's kind of a beautiful little way of seeing these characters dance together again

[01:59:47] and last they said how would you have felt if jesus had gone through with it and they had killed

[01:59:51] Gabriel off he said i'm not going to lie i would have felt some kind of way i would have been like

[01:59:57] what no monologue no song number before i go no showing some talents for the next job that's it

[02:00:04] but i think that father Gabriel's journey is hopefully not yet done in the universe of the walking

[02:00:08] dead but if it were then those would have been fair enough hands to go out with nice i remember when

[02:00:15] he you know the comic was going along at the same time as the show for most of the run

[02:00:21] and um i hope this is okay with you guys for me to say but father Gabriel dies in the comic

[02:00:28] and when that happens there was convention that weekend and i had a panel with Seth Gilliam

[02:00:34] and i was like did you see the comic and he was he i don't know he's got a very dry he says he

[02:00:39] was a humor so it's hard to read how serious he is but he just seemed pissed off that i even ask

[02:00:46] yes i saw it i didn't even want to talk about it

[02:00:52] that's funny and didn't they do a kind of a fake out that he was going to die in one of the episodes

[02:00:59] who he's climbing a side of a building or something and i mean the way he dies in the comic is he

[02:01:07] like trips as he's climbing down this ladder on a water tower and he ends up hanging upside

[02:01:12] down in the zombies eat him so it's kind of clownish and in the episode of when they did those

[02:01:20] extra covid episodes and there was the one with um Gabriel and Aaron i think there was a water tower

[02:01:27] in it or something so that was kind of like people who read the comic were scared that

[02:01:32] that was just going to be his end something like that yeah all right now polianna mackintosh also had

[02:01:39] an interview with entertainment weekly they said so i know that from the moment you took

[02:01:44] Rick away on that helicopter you knew you'd be part of this story whether it was in a movie or tv

[02:01:49] series or whatever and it took a few years to get there but when and how did you find out about

[02:01:54] jesus untimely demise she says when i first came on to set for the ones who live and got to hang

[02:02:00] with andy and he very democratically said oh yeah so how are you feeling about your death

[02:02:06] and i was like oh cool yeah good now that i know for sure it's happening

[02:02:11] scott gimpil as you know keeps things very close to the vest and i think that's just as it should be

[02:02:16] but andy being an exact on this one he was privy to a lot of information so i was really glad to hear

[02:02:22] that from him because that felt right and it's always exciting because joining the walking dead

[02:02:27] you're gonna die at some point and when it finally gets to happen for me i'm like wow i die in three

[02:02:32] different ways and boy that is the longest death speech i could have ever imagined giving

[02:02:37] i didn't have any turmoil about it i just thought this is great i hope i get to earn it

[02:02:43] nice one cool thing about her death is saying i wish i died as an artist

[02:02:55] it's good because sometimes when a character dies on the walking dead or another show their

[02:02:59] last lines are about the main character helping them along in their story but she got to think

[02:03:05] about herself which is what you would really be doing i think you know when you're dying when

[02:03:10] you give a shit about anybody else's story they said what do you what do you make of the way

[02:03:16] jesus went out she said i thought there was real opportunity for a lot of physicality i also felt

[02:03:20] it was a long time coming i had a lot of jonavark inspiration with his character jonavark was not

[02:03:26] doing terrible things like the crm but she truly believed in her mission and i wanted to bring

[02:03:31] that to her so i started watching the original jonavark film from the 1930s and because i had so much

[02:03:36] dialogue i wanted to ground it in a space where i could go internally into my memories and explain

[02:03:41] so much about my feelings and what brought me there so i think you'll notice there's a certain

[02:03:46] amount of blinking and movement from the pain the body headed towards its end but for jesus i

[02:03:52] wanted her to be very at peace in a way with her recognition of what brought her there it said

[02:03:58] why do you think jesus has this change of heart and tells rica mishon to go destroy the dacier

[02:04:04] she said she had a moment of clarity gabriel had told her who she was and she finally believed it

[02:04:10] she finally believed that her purpose was to hand it over and to let these people live

[02:04:15] she still hoped that they would leave the crm alone but by the end of that moment when mishon says

[02:04:21] no we're going to go back and we're going to destroy them she's a piece she's done her best

[02:04:27] and that prompts her to remember at time when she didn't need to think about these things when she

[02:04:31] was an artist and last i asked what do you think of jesus lasting legacy is she's been all over the

[02:04:38] map in terms of hero or villain so where do you think she ultimately lands after everything

[02:04:43] she said i think it depends entirely on your perspective and i think that's one of the things i

[02:04:47] really respect about the show is that depending on who shoes you put yourself into you or the hero

[02:04:53] or the villain and i think a line from world beyond comes to mind which is she's an ambitious

[02:04:58] survivor and that looks different for different people she's an ambitious survivor who did her best

[02:05:05] so there you go

[02:05:08] if you watch the end of the episode where they talk about it afterwards she said something about how

[02:05:16] she knows the fans will be asking her about jesus for a long time to come and she's glad or

[02:05:21] something you know she likes that yeah i thought that was cool yeah and the last item i have here is

[02:05:30] not super related but maybe interesting jong carless bazito who of course played gusts on

[02:05:36] breaking bad and better call saw has a new show on amc it's a crime drama called parish

[02:05:43] and they're showing the premiere commercial free apparently this sunday night right after the ones

[02:05:49] who live and then there's going to be some kind of sneak peek afterwards for the derrel show coming

[02:05:54] back this summer so they're trying to you know get people to watch this show parish i don't know if

[02:06:00] it's going to be good i hope so because i love uh i you know i really admire jong carlo espacito

[02:06:06] it's based the series is based on the uk uk series called the driver and espacito plays quote

[02:06:13] gracian gray paris a family man and proud owner of a luxury car service in norling

[02:06:18] norlings after his son is violently murdered and his business collapses and encounter with an old

[02:06:23] friend from his days as a wheel man resurfaces old habits sending gray on a high-states collision course

[02:06:29] the violent criminals and to get so hopefully that'll be good he needs a good show

[02:06:41] all right that is our show episode 574 thanks for listening everybody thank you guys for coming on

[02:06:49] to fill in for lucy it's fun to like yeah i just fun to be here talk about it with you you guys are

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[02:07:31] our other podcasts i mentioned it already but um i was kind of thrilled that someone mentioned i think

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[02:07:44] yeah if you go to podcast.gov.com and click podcast you could see shows that i haven't talked

[02:07:49] about in a while because there's so much time in between seasons but that is one that if you

[02:07:55] like that show might be interested in listening to uh this episode is made possible by patreon

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[02:08:21] uh pennying caro when they start covering angel yeah that'd be great

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[02:08:36] and sometimes fun things happen there like the other night we all played cards against humanity

[02:08:41] or a bunch of us and it was really fun and we didn't record it because we want people to feel

[02:08:45] free to be as disgusting as they want yeah have you ever played that? welcome in group

[02:08:52] dody no but i've heard of it it sounds like fun i'd love to see you play it's okay

[02:08:58] yeah you should join i'd love to

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