576: "The Last Time" Listener Feedback Pt 1

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[00:00:04] Ones Who Live, Podcastica!

[00:00:30] He's dedicated to the shuttle cue

[00:00:32] The Walking Dead

[00:00:38] He's Ed Hedz, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason

[00:00:40] And I'm Lucy

[00:00:42] And I'm Jenny

[00:00:44] And I'm Randy

[00:00:46] And this is The Cast of Us, Episode 5-76

[00:00:48] And this episode we're going through your feedback for The Walking Dead, The Ones Who Live, Episode 6

[00:00:54] The Last Time, Part 1

[00:00:56] It's part 1 because no one listened to me

[00:00:58] It's all ignored me about how much feedback to send in

[00:01:02] And there's a part of me that's like, guys

[00:01:04] And then there's another part of me that's like, that is so awesome

[00:01:06] That everybody's so engaged with this stuff

[00:01:08] I'm pretty stoked

[00:01:10] And it's the finale so hey, let's do it

[00:01:12] We are super happy to be joined as you heard today by Jenny and Randy

[00:01:16] Of the Welcome to the Apocalypse

[00:01:18] Podcasts, Welcome Guys

[00:01:20] Yay

[00:01:22] Mmm, Jenny, Randy

[00:01:24] We brought you here

[00:01:26] Because we want you to reflect on your lives

[00:01:28] All the things you did before this moment

[00:01:32] Because after this next moment

[00:01:34] Everything's pretty much going to be the same as ever, so that's what you're here

[00:01:40] Yay

[00:01:42] I already cut my hand off

[00:01:44] You should have kept listening

[00:01:46] Yeah, I got excited

[00:01:48] You should have kept listening

[00:01:50] Let's have our first listener feedback be from you to

[00:01:54] Now that we've had kind of a week to digest the ones who live

[00:01:58] And Randy, you

[00:02:02] Jenny wrote in almost every episode or called

[00:02:06] Yeah

[00:02:08] With mixed opinions, Randy

[00:02:10] I don't... you didn't have as much to say

[00:02:12] Right so but I'm curious all said and done what both of you guys thought

[00:02:16] I didn't and I just didn't get a chance to write in or call in

[00:02:20] I did my little video that was about as much feedback as I was able to pull off

[00:02:24] Oh yeah, if you guys don't know what Randy's talking about

[00:02:26] He did a very scientific video about whether Rick

[00:02:32] Actually needed to shop off his hand

[00:02:34] And you can see that on our you podcast to get YouTube channel as well worth a lot

[00:02:38] Yeah the results are amazing

[00:02:40] And Randy's no, has only one hand but it was worth the trouble

[00:02:44] Yeah, scientific

[00:02:46] So, Jenny, yeah, Randy which one of you guys wants to...

[00:02:52] I can talk

[00:02:54] So I didn't like it guys

[00:02:58] I know, I know, I know

[00:03:02] It just...

[00:03:04] Okay, it happened really very fast

[00:03:08] And I didn't like that

[00:03:12] Because it was so slow leading up to it, I don't know

[00:03:16] I just do be quite honest, and I don't know how much you want to get into the world beyond

[00:03:20] But I watched the world beyond at the same time as I watched this one

[00:03:24] And they both have very similar

[00:03:26] Finales

[00:03:28] In that some of the same things happen

[00:03:32] And I think I was offended on behalf of the children from the world beyond

[00:03:37] Who sacrificed themselves and their lives

[00:03:40] To prevent this...

[00:03:42] Like, you know what I mean?

[00:03:44] Like, I feel like they both sad for them

[00:03:46] I was like, what about there?

[00:03:48] I'm not sure exactly how much to say about world beyond

[00:03:50] But I'm not super worried about

[00:03:52] I don't want to give all the spoilers but just generally

[00:03:56] We would say that the main characters who everyone knows are kids

[00:03:58] I'm gonna say we're on their way to stop Portland from being destroyed

[00:04:02] And because that showed in do well

[00:04:06] The Walking Dead is just like

[00:04:08] Well, whatever we don't care about them anymore

[00:04:10] Yeah, so some of them like in fact one of them even lost...

[00:04:14] Well there were limbs lost, there were lives lost and I was like in the alpha knot

[00:04:18] So I feel sort of sad for them

[00:04:22] So maybe if I hadn't watched the world beyond I wouldn't be feeling quite so annoyed by this one

[00:04:26] But even so, I was annoyed by this one

[00:04:28] It would have been good if right after Rick set off the chlorine bomb and everything

[00:04:34] And I recommend Sean I should say

[00:04:36] Then everything was good

[00:04:38] Then you see the kids hiking up

[00:04:40] Right, thank you so much

[00:04:42] Oh, jean

[00:04:44] So well, I will say

[00:04:46] I think my favorite thing from this episode

[00:04:48] The thing that I thought was the greatest was the fact that

[00:04:52] When Michon is in

[00:04:54] What's her face?

[00:04:56] Her room, Stokes Room

[00:04:58] When she's in Jadis's room

[00:05:00] And she's looking for when she finds the secret documents from inside the cat

[00:05:04] I don't know how many people noticed that behind her head on one side there is Jadis's drawing of Gabriel

[00:05:12] And on the other side, there's Jadis's drawing of General Beale

[00:05:16] So it's... I think it speaks to Jadis's like conflict

[00:05:20] And why she couldn't really just kill off Rick and Michon

[00:05:24] Because there was still the Gabriel inside her

[00:05:26] So that was an interesting sort of framing based on the previous episode

[00:05:30] But other than that, I was annoyed by pretty much everything

[00:05:34] I was annoyed by the fact that the red herrings that they gave us

[00:05:38] So there's gonna be the meeting of all the leaders

[00:05:40] Like we all thought that that was gonna be the thing where they would target everybody

[00:05:44] No, that just went away

[00:05:46] There was gonna be the danger in the leader

[00:05:50] Well, didn't it?

[00:05:52] That's where the finale ended up being

[00:05:54] Yeah, that's where everybody was gathered

[00:05:56] If you liked me...

[00:05:58] It didn't really show leaders per se

[00:06:00] But it was the top upper echelon of all the CRM here

[00:06:02] But I'm not trying to... I'm glad you're saying all this

[00:06:06] Because I know the listeners are somewhat divided over this

[00:06:10] And some of them are feeding the... what were the two zombies, Lucy?

[00:06:14] Oh, Lucy, yeah

[00:06:16] Yes

[00:06:18] Some of them are nodding right along with you so go on

[00:06:22] Okay, so just like... there's only six episodes

[00:06:26] And be judicious and let things pay off the way they should

[00:06:30] So don't even... if the meeting of the leaders doesn't matter, don't have one

[00:06:34] Just say we're gathering for some other reason

[00:06:36] But it doesn't have to be...

[00:06:38] The danger lighter

[00:06:42] Did you use it to light? I don't know

[00:06:44] metaphorically

[00:06:46] Also the protest signs in the village or in the city

[00:06:50] Like the people who are carrying the protest signs

[00:06:52] Why have them if you're not going to use them later

[00:06:54] Like we need to know... because I'd like to think I'm like okay, 2000 soldiers

[00:06:58] And none of them are upset

[00:07:02] Like Rick and Michele are like we're the only two

[00:07:04] We're the only two who can do this

[00:07:06] Well, I will say that two other characters

[00:07:08] had the exact same conversation on the world beyond

[00:07:10] We're the only two who can do this

[00:07:12] So clearly there are other groups out there

[00:07:14] Who are trying to do this

[00:07:16] And I'm like maybe there should have been a resistance or something

[00:07:18] Esteban should have come out as a resistor

[00:07:20] Like I would love to see him and like you know somehow help them

[00:07:24] Also the windmills never paid off

[00:07:26] Like the windmill symbolism

[00:07:28] In the background

[00:07:30] The windmills which are also seen in the world beyond

[00:07:34] They should have paid off

[00:07:36] So I think there are things that they planted a whole bunch of stuff

[00:07:38] And so many of them got dropped

[00:07:40] And I'm just like you could have brought in a few of them

[00:07:42] Just sort of to tie everything up

[00:07:44] Because I sort of felt like they forgot everything that they had done

[00:07:46] And I want our two yeah, whatever

[00:07:48] But like so many of them

[00:07:50] And I'm sure there are others

[00:07:52] And I'm sorry to be so down on it

[00:07:54] No, no, it's really good

[00:07:56] I don't get the windmill

[00:07:58] I didn't even notice any windmills in either one of the series

[00:08:00] You know Rick Stairs at the windmill

[00:08:02] Yeah

[00:08:04] I was kind of wondering if that was just being used as a

[00:08:08] Like a location indicator

[00:08:10] Like that's Baltimore

[00:08:12] No, but Philly

[00:08:14] I think that's when you when you writing something so short

[00:08:16] Yeah

[00:08:18] I think it's important that everything has to mean something

[00:08:20] Like if you are writing a

[00:08:22] 17 series never ending

[00:08:26] Book or TV show

[00:08:28] You can have stuff

[00:08:30] But we only have six episodes

[00:08:32] I feel like I think all of that

[00:08:34] I think it did

[00:08:36] I think it all did mean something

[00:08:38] And I think I do think the series

[00:08:40] You know if you're a sitting you could say rushed

[00:08:42] Otherwise you could say it's fast paced

[00:08:44] I think it's somewhere in between personally myself

[00:08:46] But I think

[00:08:48] Yeah, like I said

[00:08:50] You know our finale podcast

[00:08:52] That I feel like the series

[00:08:54] Didn't you know there's season

[00:08:56] But it needed a few more episodes

[00:08:58] Yeah, it felt too quick

[00:09:00] It felt too quick

[00:09:02] Yeah, but I think that everything did have meaning

[00:09:04] But it wasn't fleshed out

[00:09:06] So like the thing about the

[00:09:08] Signs in the city of people

[00:09:10] You know

[00:09:12] Unrest in the city

[00:09:14] That was the indication of that

[00:09:16] That we never got to see any more evidence of

[00:09:18] That was it you saw that

[00:09:20] And that's how you know that's going on

[00:09:22] Yeah, I just feel like

[00:09:24] Yeah, you either need to like tighten it up

[00:09:26] Or let that breathe

[00:09:28] And so well that's too bad

[00:09:30] But one thing other thing too is in the opening credits

[00:09:32] There's a newspaper that they show

[00:09:34] And the newspapers one that Huck reads

[00:09:36] And the world beyond that says

[00:09:38] CRM will be you know

[00:09:40] We're not going to have the 10 year handover

[00:09:42] Anyway, so there's like I'm like

[00:09:44] You're clearly tying the shows together

[00:09:46] So tie them together

[00:09:48] Yeah, I mean I think the reason why this happened is because

[00:09:50] They originally were going to do three

[00:09:52] Rick Grimes movies

[00:09:54] And the first two grind movies wasn't even going to have them as shown in it yet

[00:09:56] So you were just going to see Rick

[00:09:58] And then they started planning

[00:10:00] The world beyond to come out after that

[00:10:02] And then the Rick Grimes movies got delayed

[00:10:04] So the world beyond was just supposed to be another aspect of the CR

[00:10:06] And we had already known about before

[00:10:08] And so it didn't work out that way

[00:10:10] And the world beyond ended up being a much more fleshed out look at the CRM

[00:10:14] It's just weird right?

[00:10:16] It feels like a bit like we need justice for world beyond at this point

[00:10:18] Because I'm a genius on that

[00:10:20] I'm just like those we kids

[00:10:22] Okay, but I will leave it on

[00:10:24] It was very nice to see the reunion

[00:10:26] I'm fine with them not dying

[00:10:28] I think that it's fine that they both survived

[00:10:30] I think that if you had killed one it might have been more believable

[00:10:32] But also whatever

[00:10:34] It's fine I think it's fine that they're together

[00:10:36] Just fine

[00:10:38] But I really would have liked to say

[00:10:40] It's tolerable

[00:10:42] I want a dog to run out too

[00:10:44] Yeah

[00:10:46] That would have been perfect

[00:10:48] Because the dog, you know, Terrell's dog

[00:10:50] I would have liked dog to bound out to greet them as well

[00:10:52] That's the only thing I would have changed about that ending

[00:10:54] It would have been great though to find out Rick's afraid of dogs

[00:10:56] Because he hasn't met dog yet

[00:10:58] And he just immediately takes it out

[00:11:00] I think

[00:11:02] Or if Ezekiel would have run out and just joined in in the group hug

[00:11:06] And knocked RJ out of the way

[00:11:08] And hug Rick

[00:11:10] Rick

[00:11:12] Anyway, I'm sorry that I can't be more like

[00:11:14] Herringer

[00:11:16] There was a lot of money that was great

[00:11:18] As we go through the feedback you will see

[00:11:20] That people have their issues with it for sure

[00:11:24] And I do think it's like Lucy and I too

[00:11:26] We could have easily just gone totally that way completely

[00:11:30] You know, we were kind of um...

[00:11:32] I don't know, I can't speak for you Lucy

[00:11:34] But for me a lot of the way I receive this

[00:11:38] Has to do with my love for these characters

[00:11:40] That just sort of

[00:11:42] Allows me to not to not worry about all that stuff

[00:11:46] Or just like yeah, I know but I don't care

[00:11:48] Yeah

[00:11:50] But it's there

[00:11:52] I think I was in some kind of

[00:11:54] State after the last 10 minutes

[00:11:56] Where I was like everything's vital

[00:11:58] And I was like, I was listening to Chris and Jason over at talking dead

[00:12:02] Discussing the episode and I was like agreeing with a lot of their critiques

[00:12:06] And I was like, oh, did I like this episode?

[00:12:08] Or was I just buzzed for the ending?

[00:12:12] Which I think is that works though

[00:12:14] Like if the emotion you leave with is still like a good one

[00:12:18] I feel like you don't have to go back and figure out a criticism for that

[00:12:22] Sometimes it's okay to just be good

[00:12:24] But also there are things in particular

[00:12:28] Where you are on a buzz afterwards but as time goes on

[00:12:32] You don't think as highly of it

[00:12:34] You know that's just the nature of some things

[00:12:36] And maybe this is one of those

[00:12:38] Maybe it is

[00:12:40] Well Randy, what about you?

[00:12:42] Well as you guys know I really like

[00:12:44] Making things that don't make sense come together

[00:12:48] That's why I do the no-priced calls in

[00:12:50] So I've been able to like kind of forgive and paper over some of those imperfections in the show

[00:12:58] But I enjoyed it overall. There were some dips for me

[00:13:00] I think surprisingly, I don't know if it's surprising

[00:13:04] But the Michonne episode actually was the one that I think I liked the most

[00:13:08] And I think it might have done because it felt very walking dead

[00:13:12] Like it was still older technology being used

[00:13:16] Like her and that and his group

[00:13:18] And the Nat character was really cool and interesting

[00:13:22] Yeah, and just it felt like old walking dead which I am not against like

[00:13:28] Then moving into a new like

[00:13:32] Time lot not timeline like advancing in technology

[00:13:36] And stuff like that with the CRM

[00:13:38] It's just that feels more like

[00:13:40] What you could see in any movie or TV show

[00:13:44] I kind of like the forcing of going back a couple steps in civilization

[00:13:48] So I think that episode stuck out for me because of that

[00:13:52] But I really enjoyed the rest as well

[00:13:56] And I think they did a pretty good job of like fixing

[00:14:00] Why the characters are doing what they're doing

[00:14:04] And where they are based off of what was left for them

[00:14:06] Like I feel like somebody started writing a story

[00:14:10] And was just like, well nobody's going back to that

[00:14:12] And then somebody else had to pick it up and be like

[00:14:14] Oh, okay, so

[00:14:18] But I see that's what Jenny was saying too

[00:14:20] And I don't think that's what happened

[00:14:22] I think it was planned

[00:14:24] It has been setting this all as soon as he got promoted

[00:14:26] To creative walking dead overseer or whatever his title is

[00:14:30] Yeah, he's been setting this all up

[00:14:32] You know, and it didn't pan out the way

[00:14:34] He thought though like I said

[00:14:36] It was supposed to be three movies so it has changed

[00:14:38] But it's still like the CRM

[00:14:40] Was planted specifically for the purpose of having a rich story

[00:14:44] You know, the ending for the story

[00:14:46] I think the delay is what

[00:14:48] Kind of messed with the story

[00:14:50] They had to go with him

[00:14:52] The fact that they had the main timeline jump ahead

[00:14:54] So they had to then be like

[00:14:56] I think with the movies they could have easily been like

[00:14:58] Oh Rick was at the CRM for a year

[00:15:00] But because the main timeline jumped six years

[00:15:02] Now they're like

[00:15:04] Oh god, all right. How do we explain he was there for six weeks?

[00:15:06] No, no, but that's not true because Rick died in the very next episode

[00:15:10] Oh it does yeah, immediately

[00:15:12] Okay, okay. Well yeah

[00:15:14] Oh, but speaking of time jumps

[00:15:16] I did occur to me though

[00:15:18] I think the reason that net and

[00:15:20] It was shown had to be in that

[00:15:22] By the way, he got taken away the helicopter

[00:15:24] Sorry

[00:15:26] I think they had to be in the mall for a year

[00:15:30] Because they had to explain why RJ got so much older

[00:15:34] Maybe so, yeah. I think they had to be there

[00:15:36] Because when I saw him at the end I'm like

[00:15:38] Oh yeah, she was gone

[00:15:40] Like she had to be gone for long enough for that actor

[00:15:42] To age two or three years

[00:15:44] And so forever

[00:15:46] So I think that's why they could have had curry pay and play RJ

[00:15:48] That would have been great

[00:15:50] Or the the kid that they had gotten to play older

[00:15:52] Him just shows up and he somehow

[00:15:54] Older than

[00:15:56] Teen if at this point

[00:15:58] So dad

[00:16:00] I want you to meet my kids

[00:16:02] Well, I feel like we could it would be fun to just keep talking about you guys but we're here for the listener feedback so

[00:16:08] Yes very sad

[00:16:10] Let's get into that

[00:16:12] And

[00:16:14] Brains

[00:16:16] Brains

[00:16:18] Jenny want to start

[00:16:20] I'm sorry. I'm sorry

[00:16:22] I decided for the first one

[00:16:24] Sorry Jenny, we would do a call

[00:16:26] From Steve Brown because he's

[00:16:28] You know back with his live steves

[00:16:30] He'll kind of give us a refresher of what happened in the last episode so

[00:16:34] Here we go

[00:16:36] Hello Jason and Lucy the cast of us

[00:16:38] This is Steve and this is for

[00:16:40] The ones who live

[00:16:42] Season one

[00:16:44] Episode six the last time

[00:16:46] Okay, this is an ominous beginning

[00:16:48] And we have Rick and I'm assuming the show and bed together

[00:16:52] But I just all I have to mention because I didn't mention it last episode is the Johnny Walker Black Label bottle

[00:16:58] Now that ring fit

[00:17:00] It was just the burning

[00:17:02] I don't know what that means but

[00:17:04] Sergeant Major Rick grams

[00:17:06] Okay, so Rick has returned

[00:17:08] And he's claiming that Michonne is dead right?

[00:17:10] That's the chief shoved him out of the helicopter

[00:17:14] These gross zombies

[00:17:16] Swamp zombies or what are they called with the calcification on their face

[00:17:20] You bet, J. Just didn't tell them where in her

[00:17:24] Quarters the dossier was stashed because it looks like a pigstie

[00:17:28] Oh, she stashed it up the butt of a cat that she sculpted

[00:17:32] Okay, it's okay that she just killed this random guard that came by to drop off some post office male for

[00:17:40] J. Just right because she had the red pipe being on her thing that means she's one of the bad ones

[00:17:44] And of course Joe the Claymer ripping throw it out with his teeth

[00:17:48] That's the worst thing he's ever done

[00:17:50] Here, wait a minute

[00:17:52] General Beale is talking about

[00:17:54] He was in Vietnam

[00:17:56] How old is he?

[00:17:58] Okay, this CRM is huge

[00:18:00] Did he just say they're over the whole world with spies?

[00:18:04] No way to see the civic republic can't know what their military is doing

[00:18:08] Oh my goodness he's talking about becoming a dictator of this continent, the United States

[00:18:14] The America, the world

[00:18:16] I just swear on the sword, I didn't see this coming

[00:18:18] And Beale fighting

[00:18:20] Through his hand

[00:18:22] Oh is laugh when somebody gets an elevator and that they see the button is lit

[00:18:26] And they still push it anyway

[00:18:28] Brutal Rick, brutal

[00:18:30] Oh, is that Beale sword that he just gave her?

[00:18:32] Oh, that is one big explosion

[00:18:36] What did he pull down over the top of them that is gonna save them?

[00:18:40] Oh, did Rick just blow himself up with the grenade?

[00:18:44] No, oh of course not

[00:18:46] Let me show up

[00:18:48] So everything that they want to accomplish

[00:18:50] Oh, oh the reunion

[00:18:54] Okay, so I'm assuming no confirmation whether there's gonna be a season two or not

[00:18:58] I guess maybe they don't need to have one but

[00:19:02] Gosh, they're gonna have a season two of Darrell Dixon show

[00:19:06] So anything can happen

[00:19:08] Talk to you later

[00:19:10] Oh Steve

[00:19:12] I'm guessing they're not gonna have one at this point

[00:19:16] Because they haven't announced anything

[00:19:18] No, but I wonder if the Darrell Dixon show will include

[00:19:22] Like reference to this stuff

[00:19:24] Yes

[00:19:26] If Carol will be able to tell Darrell

[00:19:28] Whatever, anyway

[00:19:30] Yeah, interesting

[00:19:32] All right, what else

[00:19:34] So Megan Schuster Harvey says

[00:19:36] A perfect finale

[00:19:38] Mary K Owen says

[00:19:40] My cry face at the end is an exact mirror of my cry face

[00:19:44] When Rick reunited with Lori and Carol

[00:19:46] Oh

[00:19:48] Yeah, that's my photo too

[00:19:50] Dina Kerasis, our friend, says

[00:19:52] I got a little tear at the end but my husband

[00:19:54] Who likes the walking dead but is not a lunatic

[00:19:56] Like his wife's sobbed bucket

[00:19:58] It was hilarious

[00:20:00] Steve Bar says

[00:20:02] Thorn, you two have betrayed my trust

[00:20:06] I'm gonna leave in and have fatally stabbed me

[00:20:08] Here, have my gas mask

[00:20:10] Yeah, quick turn on her

[00:20:12] Yes, that was

[00:20:14] I think

[00:20:16] I thought that and just the fact that only the three of them survived

[00:20:20] Were the most ridiculous things about the episode

[00:20:22] Becky Fanner Anderson says

[00:20:24] I liked it

[00:20:26] Was it perfect? No

[00:20:28] But we got closure and they left it open for an OG reunion

[00:20:30] Whenever all the rest wraps up

[00:20:32] Yes, well done and welcome to the apocalypse Jason and you see

[00:20:36] Thanks Becky

[00:20:38] We've gotten a couple of people saying that was one of their favorite episodes

[00:20:42] And I think it might have been too much of a leave

[00:20:44] Yeah

[00:20:46] Would people write in and say it was their least favorite

[00:20:48] That would be interesting

[00:20:50] I mean nobody writes in and says it's my middle favorite

[00:20:52] So you only get best so

[00:20:54] Okay

[00:20:56] Jennifer Ringham says

[00:21:02] I believed RJ

[00:21:04] Etc. But I'm satisfied with how it ended

[00:21:06] Would have been pissed if we had to wait another season for a reunion

[00:21:10] There were some funny lines too though

[00:21:12] Is this yours?

[00:21:14] What's in it, Michonne

[00:21:18] Michael Koska says

[00:21:20] I was erect the whole episode worrying about something happening to Rick or Michonne

[00:21:24] I'm glad I got through it so I can rewatch it minus that feeling of dread

[00:21:28] On first watch I thought the episode itself felt a bit rushed and disjointed

[00:21:32] But the last ten or so minutes made it worth the ride

[00:21:34] Michael, I see a lot of myself in that comment

[00:21:38] That's what you were just saying

[00:21:40] Andrews, Mr. Lachini

[00:21:42] Mr. Lachini says I think that episode was one of the worst in all of the walking dead

[00:21:46] Universe

[00:21:48] What?

[00:21:50] Made some fear of the walking dead episodes look good

[00:21:52] And that's saying a lot

[00:21:54] I've watched all the series and it's been downhill since season seven of the main show

[00:21:58] And season three of fear

[00:22:00] Just stop making new material if this is what you think passes for good television and writing

[00:22:04] But I'll be there watching the whole thing

[00:22:06] No, I'm just getting...

[00:22:08] Complete at utter Gimbal Garbage

[00:22:10] Gimbal Garbage

[00:22:12] Wow

[00:22:14] Something wants even more intense than me

[00:22:18] Rachel Teal Edwards says

[00:22:20] Just finished and I'm sobbing

[00:22:22] Perfect ending to all of it

[00:22:24] The six episode epilogue we needed

[00:22:26] And one of the most beautiful love stories ever told

[00:22:28] If this were the last episode of any

[00:22:30] The Walking Dead series

[00:22:32] I'd be just fine with that

[00:22:34] Can't wait to listen to the podcast

[00:22:36] And to rewatch the ones who live

[00:22:38] From the beginning without sefiring

[00:22:40] Sidey the entire time

[00:22:42] It's like saying that

[00:22:44] If it was ever the last episode of any Walking Dead series

[00:22:46] Because it did feel like a pretty decent end to the series

[00:22:50] And it makes you know

[00:22:52] It's only six episodes and clearly

[00:22:54] Could have been expanded

[00:22:56] They had to really

[00:22:58] Cram everything in there

[00:23:00] It makes me wonder what the hell is going on with AMC

[00:23:02] Why...why did they only make this a six episode series

[00:23:06] And not have a season two

[00:23:08] But yet they are having a season two for the Nigan and the Darrell series

[00:23:12] Yeah, I just really would like to know what's going on behind the scenes there

[00:23:14] I have a feeling it has to do with Andrew Lincoln and DeNiger Irbath

[00:23:18] Andrew Lincoln and DeNiger Irbath did this as a favor to the fans in the nice way

[00:23:24] Not in a meeting, not in a like patronizing way

[00:23:26] I think they did it in the beginning

[00:23:28] But they wouldn't have otherwise, right?

[00:23:30] I don't think they would have otherwise

[00:23:32] And I don't think especially DeNiger Irbath

[00:23:34] I don't think either of them is going to want to come back to it

[00:23:36] Whereas I feel like the actors on the Darrell Dixon show in the Megan Chow

[00:23:40] Was there not some stuff about like

[00:23:42] They were all contracted for another season of The Walking Dead

[00:23:44] But then it was pulled

[00:23:46] So sometimes I'm like maybe this is just filling contract obligations that they all had

[00:23:50] Well, I feel like Norman Reedus just wants to keep doing it as long as it possibly can

[00:23:56] And what the amount of control it seems like he's got like being able to be like

[00:24:00] This is the country I want to fill in

[00:24:02] And they're like, alright sure, he's probably like

[00:24:04] Let's make it about art

[00:24:06] And Jeffrey Dean Morgan wants to completely rep call a Nigan

[00:24:10] So he's got like 12 more seasons to go for that to work

[00:24:16] I think we might just hit the nail on the head with that entire

[00:24:20] Yeah

[00:24:22] Yeah, can I just see something about what Rachel said about it being a beautiful love story

[00:24:26] I was thinking about the fact that in actual time

[00:24:30] Rick and Michelle were not together for very long

[00:24:34] And I think it's sort of a testament to like really their relationship

[00:24:38] was pretty short

[00:24:40] And so on the one hand I'm like yes, I believe you can meet a love of your life and be like yeah after two years

[00:24:46] Be like absolutely this is it for me

[00:24:48] But then also I wonder if it's like they did all this

[00:24:50] They built each other up in their minds

[00:24:52] And then they get home and then they're like oh

[00:24:54] I didn't know this

[00:24:56] Oh okay

[00:24:58] Season two, you're saying?

[00:25:00] Yeah

[00:25:02] So I just think it's interesting that I think the idea that you can

[00:25:04] start way longer than they were ever together

[00:25:06] And I think that that's you know quite beautiful but also a cynical

[00:25:12] A more cynical person

[00:25:14] Also me might say

[00:25:16] I don't know maybe that seems like your throat, your wrist and all this

[00:25:20] For someone you maybe don't even remember very well

[00:25:22] But anyway in like episode three

[00:25:24] I was like yeah go back

[00:25:26] Go back, Bengus EQ

[00:25:28] Who cope with his EQ? This is not worth it

[00:25:30] No, there's really over it

[00:25:32] No good but now I'm like maybe it'll be fine

[00:25:34] But yeah, you're right

[00:25:36] It just wasn't that long of a time

[00:25:38] Joe Eileen says do you guys think horns be with center the commonwealth by beel

[00:25:44] As one of the spies he mentioned in the echelon briefing

[00:25:48] Yes, yes

[00:25:50] As in season 11 I recall lant saying that he has certain alliances that would not be happy

[00:25:54] If anything happened to him

[00:25:56] This got me thinking of others we know that could potentially have come from the CRM

[00:26:00] Maybe Madame Jean-A and Darryl Dixon

[00:26:04] Virginia from fear of the walking dead

[00:26:06] Let me know what you guys think

[00:26:08] I mean obviously I've written like 10 fan fictions by this since the episode aired

[00:26:12] So I'll just start reading them now

[00:26:14] It was a sunny day in the commonwealth

[00:26:18] The sun's showing off of his suspenders

[00:26:22] Yeah

[00:26:24] They barely

[00:26:26] I think that's exactly why lant said that

[00:26:28] Yeah, 100%

[00:26:30] The lant was also

[00:26:32] So I'll say two things

[00:26:34] One is I don't think he was sent to the commonwealth because we know that he knew Pamela beforehand

[00:26:38] But I think he was recruited

[00:26:40] Because that would appeal to his sense of importance

[00:26:44] And it also makes me laugh that he's like they won't be happy if anything happened to me

[00:26:48] And like seriously no one gives a shit

[00:26:50] And there were no repercussions whatsoever

[00:26:54] That's actually quite fitting for his character

[00:26:56] Yes

[00:26:58] But he was also his little militia

[00:27:00] And being a bit of an agent of chaos

[00:27:02] I think that does work with that

[00:27:04] And it was one of the bits of

[00:27:06] I think kind of retconning in this episode

[00:27:08] That I really liked was the idea

[00:27:10] That there were people in other communities

[00:27:12] That could be these kind of agents or embeds

[00:27:16] So I've

[00:27:18] In it

[00:27:20] I'm with you on the in it

[00:27:22] That would be amazing

[00:27:24] And this was from the beginning

[00:27:26] So it's not necessarily retconning

[00:27:28] I mean they might be coming up with people now

[00:27:30] But they already knew what was happening

[00:27:32] So yeah

[00:27:34] I would love to know more about who

[00:27:36] Oh yeah, I've horns to be spin-off

[00:27:38] I say that every episode

[00:27:40] You know he might have slid under a dumpster after he was shot with an arrow

[00:27:44] And turned into a zombie

[00:27:46] Was this why I didn't?

[00:27:48] Sorry, it's still my favorite fact about that

[00:27:50] I mean maybe

[00:27:52] I'll keep writing the fanfic

[00:27:54] Of course the best

[00:27:56] Alright, let's do another call

[00:27:58] Here's Alex Kruger

[00:28:00] Hey y'all, Alex Kruger leaving feedback

[00:28:02] For the ones who live

[00:28:04] Series finale

[00:28:06] As much as I love Rishon

[00:28:08] And would love endless scenes of Grimes family fun in Alexandria

[00:28:10] The Commonwealth and the hilltop

[00:28:12] We rarely get happy endings in this world

[00:28:14] And I'm okay with us not having more focus on this clan

[00:28:18] Said that, I fully expect an Infinity War level event that has Darryl meeting back up with his brother and family of survivors

[00:28:24] I think there's a lot of opportunity for the French authority to play the next big bad and across over level event

[00:28:28] That makes it make sense for the Grimes to tool up and go to war

[00:28:32] But I do have some thoughts on this episode

[00:28:34] I love the cat call back in Jace's apartment

[00:28:38] And I too figured the CRM was just advanced enough to tape pieces of paper back together

[00:28:42] So I'm glad I'm showing picked up her ripped pieces

[00:28:44] And I must say as someone who has filled out hundreds of inner office envelopes in my life

[00:28:48] I have never expected to be strangled upon delivering one

[00:28:52] Bad ass scene though

[00:28:54] Actually the whole episode was badass

[00:28:56] The finale moved so fast

[00:28:58] And I guess could be seen as rushed

[00:29:00] But it really didn't feel that way

[00:29:02] What it felt was undeniably tense and stressful for 53 minutes

[00:29:06] And I loved every second of it

[00:29:08] So many possible moments of Mayhem for Michonne and Wreck-it-Rick

[00:29:12] You played it all out so well

[00:29:14] You never knew if our team would live or die at the end

[00:29:16] It was beautiful

[00:29:18] Anyone else catch General Beal giving the infamous fort bending a shoutout when he was listing the places he was stationed in the past

[00:29:24] I haven't heard that name since season 2

[00:29:26] But it did make me do the Leonardo DiCaprio meme where he points to the TV when he said it

[00:29:30] Shout out to the slowest freight elevator of all time

[00:29:34] Why the heck didn't Rick try to shove his foot under the dripper or something or try to distract the guy next to him

[00:29:38] What do you do?

[00:29:40] Anything to cover it up

[00:29:42] Rest in peace

[00:29:43] Rest in peace

[00:29:44] Rest in peace

[00:29:45] Rest in peace

[00:29:46] Rest in peace

[00:29:47] Rest in peace

[00:29:48] Rest in peace

[00:29:49] Rest in peace

[00:29:50] Rest in peace

[00:29:51] Rest in peace

[00:29:52] Rest in peace

[00:29:53] Rest in peace

[00:29:54] Rest in peace

[00:29:55] What would he be like

[00:29:56] So

[00:29:57] Yeah

[00:29:58] It's your name

[00:29:59] Oh, gosh

[00:30:00] Oh, gosh

[00:30:01] All of the red velvet ice creams melting

[00:30:02] Oh, I cut my toe

[00:30:03] Red velvet ice cream

[00:30:05] It's his general Beal

[00:30:07] What a masterful job by Terry Aquin

[00:30:09] brief things was from the ranger.com. I highly recommend the article they link in there where

[00:30:13] they rank Rick's bad ideas. It's fantastic. That sounds great, but I will miss this show.

[00:30:19] I'll miss these characters. And as I said, the carol last night, now we get to go back

[00:30:24] to the rewatch and soon enough, Michelle will be back on our screens anyways.

[00:30:27] Looking forward to Nebraska. Keep up the great work team.

[00:30:30] Oh, thanks dude. That was great. I love that. I'm off to find that list.

[00:30:34] Yes. Alex, you sound wonderfully produced. You have a great voice and it sounded very

[00:30:41] professional your voice mail. So keep doing what you're doing.

[00:30:45] He's got to be a pro of some kind or another. Yeah.

[00:30:49] This whole thing about an Avengers style reunion, I feel like there's a decent chance

[00:30:55] and I don't even like this idea that the conflict would be with Rick and Negan in something like that.

[00:31:02] Oh, right. Although I feel like in this episode, they tried to do some flashbacky things where

[00:31:10] it was sort of Rick remembering all of his people and they definitely tuck Negan in there a

[00:31:15] couple of times. So weird. So weird. I know he's still contractually on the show, but Rick doesn't like

[00:31:22] him. He's not his family. Yeah. That is so weird. Yeah. I was like, because the other one that

[00:31:29] threw me was Eugene, was there? I'm like, it's not in a spin-off. What is he there?

[00:31:35] And the shot of Darryl, he has a gag in his mouth. He's the only one restrained.

[00:31:40] I mean, that's Rick's personal time. I think that sometimes... I mean,

[00:31:50] I think that part of what the reason you include someone like Negan in there is because

[00:31:55] our paths are full of people that are positive and negative, but they still impact who we are.

[00:32:02] So maybe this is the fiction writer in me who likes to write things, but I do think

[00:32:09] you know, if you reflect on your life, you're not only going to think of the good things like

[00:32:13] Negan had a huge impact on who he was as a person, whether it was positive or negative. So

[00:32:17] I think they could be for that or maybe I'm giving them too much credit and they were just

[00:32:21] flashing out people who they still think. Everyone likes Jeffery Morning. As you're saying this,

[00:32:27] I'm picturing a person in my head like the one person who I still, when I think about, I go,

[00:32:35] there's people who impact us whether we... whether they were good or bad, they still impact us.

[00:32:39] Well, I was going to say I think there's a hot take going on here where Jenny hates the love story

[00:32:45] of Rick and Michelle, but she loves Negan. Don't twist my words. Did you, Jenny, did you watch

[00:32:55] the Negan series? I did not because I don't really... I don't like the idea of watching a woman have

[00:33:02] to rely on a man who killed her husband, who she hates. I just... women do it enough in the real world.

[00:33:08] I really want to see it in my fiction. Like, and, yeah, you don't need to put women through trauma

[00:33:15] like that, unnecessarily. And I think him... I was thinking about Rick's final episode. I totally

[00:33:22] forgotten. I rewatched it before this show came out. He was on his way. Negan was still a big

[00:33:29] feature of his life at that point because he was going back to stop Maggie killing him or to kind

[00:33:33] of intercept that. And then Maggie and Negan had the first of many fucking scenes. It was a good one.

[00:33:41] It didn't have as much impact as in the comic. But yeah, it probably... it was probably one of

[00:33:48] the last things on his mind from his old life, I suppose. It was just weird to see Jeff

[00:33:54] Rodin Morgan looking more like Negan in that flashback as well, a bit more filled out in a bit more.

[00:33:59] And I really liked the Maggie Negan stuff in the Walking Dead finale or the episodes.

[00:34:05] But that was so much... That was such a good closure, you know?

[00:34:10] That's why I don't want to season two of this show because I'm like, we had good closure.

[00:34:13] But I should leave it at that. Let's not pick the scab. Elizabeth Anshort says honestly,

[00:34:20] Rick and Michonne survived and I got to see him reunite with Judith and Meet R.J.

[00:34:24] That alone makes the show an absolute success in my book. Do I wish this episode was a little longer

[00:34:29] or split into two episodes to make you feel less rushed? Sure. But again, the Grimes family is back

[00:34:35] and that's all that matters to me. Overall, I think I like Daraldix and a bit more, but the ones

[00:34:40] who live is a very close second. Now I'll just wait patiently for my Rick and Darald reunion.

[00:34:45] Well said Elizabeth. Well said Elizabeth. I think you might not have to wait long.

[00:34:49] I don't know. I feel like they might... Or maybe forever. Or maybe it'll be either not long

[00:34:55] or forever. No, one of those. Alma Contreras says, okay, that briefing was pretty much where

[00:35:03] a world beyond left off. The CRM taking out Portland always was their plan.

[00:35:08] Yep, that's right. If you watch World Beyond, you knew that. She goes, I knew Rick was going to take

[00:35:13] BL out. Yes, that explosion was awesome. That thorn beasy was tough. I was yelling, Michonne finished

[00:35:20] her. Yes, the episode seemed a little rushed, but it ended exactly how I needed it and our heroes

[00:35:26] reuniting with our kids cry emoji times four. I was worried they would leave the finale up in

[00:35:32] the air. Few thank goodness we got a proper ending. I totally agree. About it being rushed,

[00:35:39] I do feel it was a bit rushed but it didn't feel like... I think I might have already said this

[00:35:43] like Game of Thrones season eight rushed to me where it just felt like fast paced. Like Alex Kruger

[00:35:52] was saying. I was really engaged with it. I also think the story we were watching is Rick and

[00:35:58] Michonne's love story. Once they did what they did blowing up everything at the CRM,

[00:36:05] their story with the CRM is over. They left and we keep following them but I think if we hadn't

[00:36:12] gotten like that voice over saying what happened back there we'd be like why would they just leave

[00:36:17] that? So I think getting the in quotes Yada Yada explanation at the end. Yeah it was good and

[00:36:24] that's all we really needed because it's not the story we're following. Yeah it's sort of like

[00:36:30] the end of return to the Jedi everybody knows that right where they destroyed the second death star

[00:36:37] and that basically ended the Empire and then you saw a little celebration on Endor with the

[00:36:43] Ewoks but then when they did the special edition I think this was one of the good things that

[00:36:49] they added in the special editions where they kind of showed different places around the galaxy

[00:36:53] of people celebrating the end of it to just give it a little more weight like you know or at least

[00:36:58] like if the impression that the word got out yeah. Yeah. All right Jenny your turn. Ben Wood says

[00:37:08] fantastic ending to a fantastic show. Andrew and Jenai were great as always and I feel incredibly

[00:37:12] satisfied with this ending. I was nervous at first when Rick was talking to Bill and when he

[00:37:17] unleashed his life knife I was like yes kill that fucker. I laughed when Rick was pushing the

[00:37:22] roll in case around and when it started dripping and the other soldier noticed it. Man Rick

[00:37:26] punched the shit out of that dude the explosion was insane but I didn't like how quickly the gas

[00:37:30] dissipated they jumped on the containers and it was gone pretty crappy anyway great ending and I know

[00:37:36] I've said this before but thanks so much for podcasting on The Walking Dead it is my favorite podcast

[00:37:40] ever and I love you guys so much thanks again. Thank you Ben. Oh thanks Ben. That's really nice.

[00:37:47] Rick punching that guy in the face and he just like doesn't stop. It was pretty

[00:37:52] intense for this. Yeah. Like they haven't gone quite that intense this whole show and it's just

[00:37:58] the last episode just to see him go like through the skull almost and it was rough. Yeah that was

[00:38:05] like what is this? Why? Yeah it seemed like there was a lot more rage or something there

[00:38:12] than was necessary like I don't know yeah I hope Alexandria got some therapists while they were gone

[00:38:19] yeah really hope so. Yeah. To Fane to Bolt says just watched it I love the flashbacks

[00:38:26] and the opening scene where Rick and Michonne planned the end of the CRM there were lots of

[00:38:30] details for the fans like the return of the hatchet Jatis's artwork like everyone I felt the plot

[00:38:36] was rushed and yes the ending is the only one we deserved but I finally realized what Lucy has

[00:38:41] been telling us all along as much as a good actor Andy Lincoln is there was no emotion during the

[00:38:47] reunion scene with RJ I think that this is one of the failings of the show so good with kids from

[00:38:53] the start to not make the audience invested in their character it did feel like the end though but maybe

[00:38:59] the real end will be when Darryl and Carol come back and Rick opens the gates one can dream. Yeah

[00:39:07] no emotion in the reunion scene with RJ I think there was emotion coming up Rick I just think

[00:39:14] yeah that's it's one way I know I I'm usually very very very forgiving for child actors like kids

[00:39:26] are weird in general like they don't act the way you expect them to but I did think it was a very

[00:39:32] very heavy emotional scene to put on the RJ actor yeah I was like oh come on please and I think

[00:39:39] it was fine like they did good enough yeah it was fine yeah they kept it short and I thought yeah I

[00:39:47] thought it was staged just to get the most out of it you know that you're absolutely good yeah all right

[00:39:56] let's move on uh Stephanie Bridget says this was 100% the ending we needed they could have stretched out

[00:40:02] showing them going back to Philly spending time exposing the CRM etc but that is not what the show

[00:40:07] was about for the fans it was about coming full circle and reuniting a man with his family an

[00:40:12] episode one of the walking dead Rick was just a man looking for his family it is truly fitting

[00:40:17] the final episode of the ones who live allowed Rick to find his family and hopefully find his peace

[00:40:23] am I sad that we aren't getting a second season absolutely because Andrew Lincoln and Jani

[00:40:27] career are phenomenal actors and if neither is nominated for an award for this show it will be

[00:40:33] on a side note I'm still holding out hope that Andrew Lincoln will pop up in Darryl Dixon to give

[00:40:38] us the also needed reunion between Rick and Darryl I mean

[00:40:43] say love he comes to come sir he just finds Rick at a cafe he's like oh Darryl you're here

[00:40:52] yeah

[00:40:54] Bonjour um we'll we will nominate Angelika didn't know a career for the podcast toca awards so

[00:41:01] yes yes all they won yay oh yay congratulations all right here's a call from a listener we have not

[00:41:09] heard from in a while and I'm glad to see her name in front of me it's Renee Murray. Hi guys

[00:41:15] this is Renee calling in from Fairburn I used to call in all the time about the hand

[00:41:22] handmade sales and the walking dead but I have not called in for a while I did leave you guys

[00:41:29] a voicemail for the very first episode of the ones who live but I did not hear it um

[00:41:37] the one de listeners feedback so I'm not sure if you all received it or not I went on a tangent about

[00:41:43] I went back and looked at and I don't see it I searched my email Renee so I don't know what happened

[00:41:47] but I think it got lost or something but um yeah this is the first time I'm like oh look Renee

[00:41:53] is calling back at so good to hear from you. I'll find Rick Grimes is that's my boob and I love him

[00:41:59] and I am going to miss him I feel like you Jason I feel like um I have broken up with my boyfriend

[00:42:07] I really do it's like I have been down in the dumps about the Rick Grimes never seen Rick Grimes

[00:42:14] again it's like my niece call and she's like girl I know you are not watching the ones who live

[00:42:18] again I know you're not on the internet I know you're not on youtube it's like I cannot get enough

[00:42:24] because I cannot believe that I'm never going to see Rick Grimes again it's like I cannot

[00:42:29] believe that but I just had to call in because Jason you are my brother from another mother

[00:42:35] the compassion and empathy that you have I love that you you are so when you speak

[00:42:44] yo just your tone your deliverance everything you and I we think so much alike

[00:42:51] is like I feel you I can feel you when you're expressing yourself because you and I share the same

[00:42:57] sentiments as for even as for as Negan I cannot get behind Negan I cannot I do not like Negan

[00:43:04] I tried to watch the dead city mmm mmm mmm mmm me can not be redeemed okay and it's not a world that

[00:43:12] I can believe that Maggie would even ax him to help her look for her son who's father he killed so

[00:43:19] violently I just don't believe I cannot believe that and even Laurie the very first episode when she

[00:43:25] thought Rick was dead and she got with Shane I do not like her there's no redemption redemption

[00:43:30] for her because there's no way in the hell I don't give a damn about zombies or nothing else trying

[00:43:34] to survive listen I'm not because that's what they say that's the excuse she needed to survive so

[00:43:39] that's why she turned to Shane mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm it's no redemption she Negan is right there

[00:43:46] are Laurie no redemption Jason you I just I just had to call in because every time I listen to you

[00:43:53] because I do still listen to you guys I just never call in but you you're you're just so compassionate

[00:43:59] and you said that you want to live in the world where everybody can live together in peace and

[00:44:03] harmony and that's me that's what I want because it's like Bill your psycho you're crazy and Rick

[00:44:09] is going to stab your ass okay you're gonna get cut you about to get sliced and dice understand

[00:44:13] that and you did get sliced and dice okay because your psycho you're clearly psycho but I did

[00:44:21] enjoy the ones who live but what I did not like was the end and scene because I want it more I

[00:44:28] want to see the family a little bit more you know some interaction between them and I'm glad

[00:44:33] that you guys did not talk about RJ because people are sick I mean for you guys for people to

[00:44:37] sit and talk about kids you have to be really sick you know and I really believe it's if an apocalypse

[00:44:42] happened it would be just like in the walk and dead people that yeah that think they're the ones

[00:44:47] that supposed to live and other people are supposed to die and then of course there's gonna be people

[00:44:52] like Rick and he's going to be people like Michonne and Darryl and the rest of the game that wants

[00:44:57] everyone to live so I just had to call in and to say that Lucy I love you girl girl I love

[00:45:03] okay but Jason you're my brother from another mother oh and then also I wanted to mention about

[00:45:10] Jason you said the ball guys ball ego whatever they hear of the other podcast is called I cannot

[00:45:16] stand them it's like why the hell are you watching the show that you know you don't like

[00:45:19] kick rocks going about your business okay to the loop all right all right peace of love talk to

[00:45:25] you guys like the bike she's like I really want to live in a world of peace and that beel cut

[00:45:31] that motherfucker

[00:45:35] well Renee I would just love Renee's sound bites for everything like no Negan I really

[00:45:43] appreciate that was really nice to hear thank you and I said you're watching us but I hope

[00:45:48] you're I'm still listening but I hope you're watching the re we watch along with us because you

[00:45:52] know then we're eating to your Rick grabs boo again wall at you right then bridge all right that

[00:46:00] was great here's Tyler sheel who says like other people have said I feel both happy and really

[00:46:05] unsatisfied by things it felt so rushed and like we miss so much but that being said when I saw

[00:46:11] Judith at the end I absolutely cried my eyes out although I'll keep my comments about RJ and

[00:46:16] that performance to myself but I'd be lying if I didn't say it took me out of it a bit can I see

[00:46:20] them coming back for another season a mixture of showing what we missed and more about how the

[00:46:24] CR develops maybe I feel like the setup and the end of world beyond would be a bit of a waste

[00:46:31] if we never heard from those characters again also the comments about spies and other communities

[00:46:36] was very interesting and had me thinking more about the commonwealth could they leave it here

[00:46:40] and this be the end it pains me to say it but I genuinely think that they could and it wouldn't

[00:46:45] be the worst thing in the world yeah yeah I don't want to say more about the CRM

[00:46:51] after this Georgie Niel says damn I didn't enjoy this episode they've been setting the CRM up

[00:46:57] across all those spin-offs for years and I didn't pay off I did like that we got the reunion

[00:47:03] though hated the are you the brave man it didn't feel realistic when did the brave man nickname

[00:47:08] things start I feel like it was very recent but I'm not sure I did laugh during the episode

[00:47:12] when my show was sneaking into somewhere and it looked like the same as somewhere in the world

[00:47:17] beyond and I have expected to see silas and elton rolling around on that globe haha

[00:47:21] with the globe for go by that anyway in the pod you talked about what we need to feed our zombies

[00:47:26] and I'll feed mine with more positivity by thanking Jason Lucy for hours and hours of entertainment

[00:47:32] I've been watching the show in the spin-offs as well as other shows just to listen to the pot love

[00:47:35] your work oh thanks Georgie Georgie I always feel funny when people say they're what

[00:47:42] they only watched because of us otherwise they wouldn't have

[00:47:48] sorry we're gonna start watching C-SPAN too so it's gonna be the best

[00:47:57] the best are it yeah I think the brave man thing started in season 11 maybe the beginning

[00:48:03] when 10 yeah Judith's telling him a story telling oh she's yeah yeah well I so Michonne was her final

[00:48:12] episode was in season 10 right yeah yes and she was on the radio with using call signs with

[00:48:21] Judith Dito and Choto so I think the brave man was Rick's call sign that she was she was saying that

[00:48:30] back then yeah I think she was also Judith was also telling RJ stories about the brave man

[00:48:37] I don't know if that happened later on then okay yeah but I think it was first Michonne using

[00:48:42] as a call sign I could be wrong but I think so you could you could be right it could be

[00:48:50] teach says just finished loved it realistically well done and fully wrapped up I don't expect a

[00:48:57] season two now I did love how it kept touching back to the history of what they did to get here

[00:49:02] I like that too actually they tied so many storage pieces together I believe Gimpo had

[00:49:07] this ending in mind for the movies when they launched world beyond the only thing I don't get

[00:49:12] where the hell is Morgan he didn't just leave fear to go find Rick he left fear early

[00:49:18] I'm shocked that he never showed up it must be Morgan that Carol said came back right

[00:49:23] please read my zombie sound as written okay teach unless I feel like he wanted one of you to

[00:49:30] the no I was just thinking the perfect person yeah okay here we go

[00:49:36] girl girl girl people bottom is for Christmas girl

[00:49:45] yeah I was just thinking about that so I would bet that Carol was talking about Rick when she said

[00:49:59] in the Darryl show someone so it's back but either way maybe it could be Morgan but I think

[00:50:05] that you know when Morgan had his final episode in the mid season finale of the final season of

[00:50:12] fear the walking dead and he went with his daughter and said I'm going to go find Rick Grimes

[00:50:18] I just thought my thought was yeah these showrunners wish they could have some impact on the main

[00:50:24] series and it's their attempt but it's not gonna happen and then I started thinking oh maybe

[00:50:29] I'm wrong maybe Morgan will show up in the in the Rick show and he didn't and so now I'm back to

[00:50:34] thinking what I really thought I mean you could give the fear writers a little more credit and

[00:50:40] claim that they wanted to end the story with the Alicia and her family and get Morgan out of the

[00:50:50] way so that they can wrap it up that way but just making a point to say I'm going to find Rick

[00:50:55] making it seem like yeah he was gonna hook up with the rest of the crew there's also speculation

[00:50:59] he'll show up in the derral show but I don't know how he's gonna get the friends they'd be great

[00:51:03] yeah they just ended it with him being like I'm gonna go find Rick and then I'm gonna go to Paris

[00:51:08] and I'm gonna blow up the Eiffel Tower and it's like nope he's going on tour

[00:51:17] I mean I'd love to see Lane James back with good writers always want more of that all right here's

[00:51:22] Annwyn hi Jason and Lucy this is Annwyn with feedback for the finale of the ones who live oh my god

[00:51:31] I'm kind of glad that you're having a bit of a break before the feedback show it gives people

[00:51:35] a chance to collect their thoughts if I had recorded a voice smell right after watching the show

[00:51:39] you wouldn't have been able to understand me because I would have just been

[00:51:42] oh that's a little lonely because it was so moving I had all the fears that it wasn't going to get

[00:51:51] all finished in the one episode but then by the time we saw the very first few minutes with

[00:51:56] Michonne already in Jadas' room and Rick already getting the briefing I thought I think they're

[00:52:02] gonna try and do it and as the episode progressed I was still holding out hope got right towards the end

[00:52:08] and then when there was still a few minutes to go I thought oh my god they're actually gonna do it

[00:52:12] and when I saw them on the helicopter my heart started beating really fast and I started breathing

[00:52:18] really fast and I started getting ready to cry and then the last few minutes with the reunion

[00:52:23] I just had my hands over my face and tears streaming down my eyes and I just couldn't believe it

[00:52:28] I was everything I wanted in the reunion of course it did feel a little tiny bit rushed I think

[00:52:33] it could have been good to have maybe eight episodes just to flesh out the story a little bit but it was

[00:52:39] so satisfying and so amazing and for me it is really it does feel like the end of the

[00:52:46] the main walking dead show my son was born the same month that the walking dead main show came out

[00:52:53] and so he's at high school now he's 13 and we've been watching the walking dead for his whole life

[00:52:58] and so it really feels like the end of an era even though I do love the Darryl Shahn I'll keep

[00:53:02] watching that um Negan can bugger off because you know Negan anyway that's my thoughts loved

[00:53:10] it loved it loved it I haven't watched it for a second time yet but I am going to and just looking

[00:53:15] forward to having all those emotions wash over me again I can't remember the last time I cried

[00:53:19] that much at a TV show I think it was the final of 6th fec under thanks for everything that you do

[00:53:25] are amazing balls bye thank you and when oh on when I was listening to talking dead podcast and

[00:53:33] on when cold did and I was like oh you're cheating on us and then I was like it's fine I'll love

[00:53:41] if she's gonna cheat with someone I'd want it to be them yeah they're so nice they're so nice

[00:53:46] they're lovely she could at least you know try and hide it a little bit

[00:53:51] yeah yeah do another reason rannwen

[00:53:58] um Andrea Hatfield own stead says yay Rick and Michonne survived I was certain someone was

[00:54:03] going to get bit what an incredible and exciting way to end this season I loved the ending of course

[00:54:09] I cried a lot I did think the elaborate wave sneaking into a huge tent without anyone guarding

[00:54:14] it to be unrealistic and thorn surviving seemed impossible but it's a show there was so much in this

[00:54:20] episode that truly felt like good writing the bunny that Gracie carried flashbacks Rick talking about

[00:54:26] biting throats the reunion at the end which felt just like the first reunion when Rick found

[00:54:30] Carl and his late wife it was short yes but I really really enjoyed it with that said Gimple

[00:54:36] mentioned that the ones who lived were supposed to ear first then dead city daraldixin however it

[00:54:41] didn't because of the nice scheduling now we know that Carl definitely said Rick came back

[00:54:46] or they came back I may be wrong but I do believe this isn't the end even though the ending was

[00:54:52] beautiful and so much was covered and so many great moments in the story and answers it's just

[00:54:57] we're not quite finished and while the CRM seemed scary and effective in its ways

[00:55:02] the threat france has is the threat that lets be real they are the big villain after all they're the

[00:55:09] ones who started it all they are far more dangerous gimple has plans for this franchise and they

[00:55:14] won't say no this is the end which tells me there's more of the ones who live or something else

[00:55:19] done rambling what a great series I can't wait to see where this takes us next take care and thanks

[00:55:24] again yeah that's one thing that we know or that I keep forgetting about the Darryl shows

[00:55:31] that they're dealing with possibly what started the zombie apocalypse which puts it in kind

[00:55:36] of a special position in that way which is kind of cool and interesting you know absolutely

[00:55:41] JD have you watched the Darryl show yes would you think of that one I liked it I think it was

[00:55:47] interesting and different enough and it also had none of this CRM business like you could watch it

[00:55:55] and not even have to know really anything else yes I think because this problem is when the other

[00:56:00] shows are they're not mandatory like the world beyond is not mandatory except that there's

[00:56:07] that little thing at the end with the you know the French business very last episode and like well

[00:56:12] is it mandatory or not like if you're building a universe that had nothing to do even with the

[00:56:16] world beyond that was weird no that wasn't and so that's the thing I'm like well what are you doing

[00:56:21] and so I think the nice thing about the Darryl show the other funny thing about the Darryl show

[00:56:24] is that he wears all those sweaters with suspenders and at one point you guys I was listening to

[00:56:32] some old episode and you guys are talking about how funny it would be if Darryl showed up in

[00:56:36] some episode with a nice sweater on like years ago that's hilarious and then I was like hey wait

[00:56:42] he does maybe Norman Reedus listen to you and was like I'm gonna look at it I'm gonna turn

[00:56:48] okay well I hope Norman Reedus shows up with no pants sometimes yeah he's definitely done that a

[00:56:55] couple of times yeah all right Katie Lewis says hello hi Katie all right who's next don't

[00:57:02] skate she says I thought someone else what sorry to interrupt but one of the things that I

[00:57:09] I don't know if you still do it but I used to get such a kick out of when you did listener

[00:57:13] feedback as you'd be like all right we up next we have a call from Katie Lewis from Tennessee and

[00:57:19] then she would be like hi this is Katie Lewis from Tennessee every time that made me chuckle

[00:57:26] I think I still do that sometimes but Katie I don't know where she's from but she says I thought

[00:57:30] someone who someone else might comment on the parallels between the smart house in what we

[00:57:37] and Ray Bradbury short story there will come soft rains she means the house with the

[00:57:43] the room in the temperature I'm a literature critical theory and creative writing professor

[00:57:50] obsessed with how monsters are ciphers for cultural fears desires anxieties hopes and speaking

[00:57:56] the unspeakable such as the zombie in Haitian voodoo the representation of the ape

[00:58:04] in his house the reclamation of La Yarona in Jero Bustum sorry Jero Bustum Hantes film

[00:58:12] with the same name and more what the CRM Commonwealth the Saviors and some of the other

[00:58:17] communities represent is our inability to really create an egalitarian society after it has

[00:58:23] collapsed or even before I would say we want to go back to the hierarchies of before even though

[00:58:29] those systems of those systems of inequity aid up consumed the most vulnerable and marginalized

[00:58:36] and even many who went along willingly because it benefited them what's the difference between

[00:58:41] a zombie hoard consuming human flesh versus the cultural and structural violence that consumes

[00:58:47] the human spirit and alienates us from ourselves each other nature and our labor enforces

[00:58:54] us to see other human beings as competition for work resources power etc. I'll leave it there

[00:59:00] thanks for keeping me in my Puppermot company on our runs that was really interesting wow

[00:59:07] there's a lot to chew on yeah I read this when you first sent it in and the part especially where

[00:59:14] you talked about how society as it is forces us to see other human beings as competition for

[00:59:20] work resources power etc. really got to me and reminded me that that's all sort of

[00:59:28] something we kind of have to do to make enough money to survive but what's really important

[00:59:33] has nothing to do with any of that yeah like I always got to remind ourselves of that every once

[00:59:39] in a while that the good stuff in life isn't about anything of that yeah not about beating somebody

[00:59:45] else out for something what happens after that yeah yeah thanks Katie all right here's

[00:59:55] call from Karen she who's a friend of ours always got really interesting insightful things to say

[01:00:03] has been on the show before if you heard our beef episode that was one that she was on that

[01:00:08] was really good I don't think she likes the ones who live very much I haven't listened to this yet

[01:00:13] but we'll hear what she's got to say hey Jason and Lucy it's me Karen she thanks so much for your

[01:00:20] guys this coverage of the ones who live I love your glass half full approach and I've been listening

[01:00:25] every single week I especially love the feedback episodes and hearing how much Rick and Michonne

[01:00:30] individually and together mean to people I hesitate to write in I have hesitated to write in

[01:00:39] because I didn't want to be a web link it and I feel like I'm just living up to my Karen name right

[01:00:44] now because I have agreed a lot with Jenny Ryan about this series yeah thank you Jenny for indulging me

[01:00:53] my rants um I could just never really get into the serum story in the mission as a whole

[01:00:59] felt like the secrecy from the whole world was the first of many times I had to suspend my disbelief

[01:01:04] and it was really jarred by the advanced technology the abundance of weaponry and the helicopters

[01:01:09] and resources that it felt like Andy and Dinawer and a totally different science fiction tv series to me

[01:01:16] I get that civilization is coming back up to 12 years and I understand the peel of seeing

[01:01:21] different parts of the world outside of the woods of Georgia and how they dealt with the outbreak

[01:01:25] but I guess the sweaty and greedy survivalist aesthetic is what I think of when I think of the walking

[01:01:31] dead and even in dead city and dereldix and there was like this minimalism eerie stillness and

[01:01:36] decrepit sets so the sleek manicured and high tech sets kind of just threw me off and I can never really

[01:01:42] invest myself um I will say I love how the beginning of the series was this portrait about

[01:01:48] learn helplessness all the stuff with the characters mental struggles really fascinated me and

[01:01:55] but I felt that once that was resolved at the end of a brilliant episode 4

[01:01:59] it kind of moved from internal barriers to external barriers and the show got kind of black and white

[01:02:05] to me um for example I agree that tarot queen is a masterful actor and gave bill a lot of dimension

[01:02:13] but I just thought the echelon briefing was a little lame and too black and white

[01:02:17] I don't think everybody will buy into that plan wholesale I know that cults don't operate on logic

[01:02:22] or good faith but I mean even nigan knew that it's better to have people around as resources

[01:02:28] and you know nigan's also great with kids I don't know if you guys knew that

[01:02:35] it seems like the writers can't really find a nuanced way to resolve the CRM storyline

[01:02:41] it was like join us or die and they kind of find a compelling or convincing way for Rick and

[01:02:46] was shown to escape the CRM without giving them heavy plot armor and heavy plot conveniences

[01:02:52] and rushing the whole thing when the CRM was built to be this omnipotent force

[01:02:57] so I agree with Jenny that a lot of the plot for the entire series was reverse engineered

[01:03:03] they had good themes and good ideas but kind of fell short on execution

[01:03:08] which I think is a problem that's often plagued the walking dead and the actors have to do a lot of

[01:03:12] heavy lifting which of course Andi and Denai did in space individually and together I mean

[01:03:17] their chemistry is off the charts um speaking of great acting I was still in tears at the reunion

[01:03:23] scene so I do still have half a heart maybe there's just something about seeing Kaylee Fleming all

[01:03:30] grown up into this self-possessed striking young lady who can act the hell out of any scene just

[01:03:35] with her eyes even in those few minutes when she turns on looks at Rick man it really got to me

[01:03:41] because we've been invested in Judas in season three um I don't know maybe about growing the

[01:03:47] series a little bit um it seems like the walking dead is more fantastical than grounded

[01:03:53] for years now and maybe I just have to have a mindset that I'm watching a superhero genre

[01:03:58] since Rick Mishon, Darron Carroll they're kind of like untouchable bad asses now

[01:04:03] and I could say that it's like an allegory for deeper meanings and themes but

[01:04:09] they keep explicitly hammering the themes out like love doesn't die or we're one long life

[01:04:15] you know um and so I enjoyed a lot of elements like episode two was great episode four

[01:04:22] obviously I loved I thought it was excellent but ultimately it didn't really coalesce for a

[01:04:27] satisfying hold to me and I thought it was fine I thought the series was fine um and that's just

[01:04:32] my two cents um I have to be honest about it and I think you guys appreciate honesty and conversation

[01:04:39] than nodding heads which is why I've always loved your guys this podcast so thanks love you guys

[01:04:45] and um sorry to be a Karen okay bye oh never be sorry so after my first like message where I was

[01:04:54] like I hate to show Karen who I do not know in any way sent me a message on Facebook and she's

[01:04:59] like hey I grew through um but I feel like no one else agrees with us until we've been having

[01:05:04] these sort of back and forth that's why she's like Jenny my great Jenny because Karen and I have been

[01:05:07] trying to figure this out because I think we both like I think part of it is when you when you

[01:05:13] really love a thing and you love the characters you want it to be the best it can be and then

[01:05:17] you see it fucking up and you're like god yeah like do better because if you didn't care you

[01:05:24] wouldn't care right so I think the people who are annoyed it's some people are annoying for the sake

[01:05:29] of being annoyed but I think there's people like Karen and myself and some other people here who

[01:05:33] who actually just wanted it to be better and I'd like to take a red pen and edit it um I guess

[01:05:39] to make it the best it could be anyway so yes that's why Karen was referencing me because we've

[01:05:44] been having a private like starting a coup yeah I mean throughout the whole series we people have had

[01:05:55] issues with different things from day one you know and that's just part of being a fan of something

[01:06:03] you it's never perfect you know or rarely anyway breaking bad some exception but uh

[01:06:11] but well I mean I'm I'm really glad you called in with all that it was just as thoughtful as I

[01:06:16] knew it would be the only part I didn't like is when you disparage your name but um

[01:06:21] but uh it may I had a few things I was you know at the beginning of these listener feedbacks

[01:06:26] I've been saying some things that have been on my mind since we podcasted and I decided not to

[01:06:31] do this time since uh we have we had a long show but your message brought up some of it so I'm

[01:06:37] gonna go ahead and say now like the CRM is such a weird unusual thing in the walking dead for a lot

[01:06:44] of different reasons but for me it really hit in a way that I enjoyed and I can totally understand

[01:06:53] where for some people and I think Karen you're included probably Jenny too it just doesn't feel

[01:06:57] like the walking dead but that's not the only thing that's wrong with it but that's one of the

[01:07:01] things but for me I liked that it wasn't didn't feel much like the walking dead because I'm a novelty

[01:07:07] seeker and I get tired of the same thing the same Georgia woods and the same thing and I want to

[01:07:11] see new things um I also like the psychology of I think uh beel you know we learned as a father

[01:07:20] was abusive alcoholic and that could have been at the root of him wanting to eliminate all threats

[01:07:25] in the world and to have total control by being the only leader just to because we often our whole

[01:07:31] lives are about sort of unconsciously dealing with trauma that we had as a kid I think that and

[01:07:37] then if you're a cult leader the whole group is like an extension of that so I think that's kind

[01:07:43] of what the CRM is like I also people have thought that that no group would be as extreme or

[01:07:49] ridiculous as the CRM or ruthless and I do agree with that but also if you look around the world

[01:07:55] today at what certain world leaders are doing it just seems so fucked up it's probably I mean the CRM

[01:08:03] is a fictionalized version of that that may be more extreme but not that much more extreme than

[01:08:08] what's happening in the real world today and then I think I said this in our podcast but I just

[01:08:14] think it bears you're beating on a thematic level I think the CRM really ties in well with Rick's

[01:08:18] story because he started out as this compassionate person who cared about everyone on a human level

[01:08:24] thought every human had value and then he got calloused over and scared and worried and turned

[01:08:30] into the person that would just kill innocence to protect the people that he cared about and

[01:08:33] that's what the CRM is they will sacrifice innocence and it was ruthless and they're like the walking

[01:08:40] dead right they love has died and so with I think it's like a externalized metaphor for Rick's

[01:08:48] character and he kind of fell back his character arc I should say and he kind of fell back into that

[01:08:54] by being kidnapped and brutalized by the CRM but then you know it's cheesy but Michonne's love saved him

[01:08:59] and brought him back to his self at the end so I just think it's a great ending for his story

[01:09:04] in a great villain to sort of wrap up his his arc so for me that it all works really well even though

[01:09:12] I also see the ridiculousness of it the way that it sticks out like a sore thumb the way that a lot

[01:09:17] of it's not that believable I mean I get all that too to me I think the most believable thing about

[01:09:23] the CRM is that it would to be as a as a Canadian to say yeah of course it would be this American group

[01:09:33] that is like we have two thousand soldiers and we're gonna rule the entire planet you know

[01:09:39] we think that way people in Canada yeah I'll argue with that there is American story yeah

[01:09:50] Randy should we be sticking up for uh well yeah I'm trying to think as if it's palpable yeah

[01:09:58] I mean uh we're great here I do think that is I do think that is like a mindset of some people

[01:10:07] maybe mostly in this country where there's this idea of like well if we just get rid of like

[01:10:13] this political party then all the problems are gone and then like

[01:10:17] or if we invade a country and try to bring democracy you know yeah we can fix it with like

[01:10:24] some violence but I also think it's like I mean you can shrink that down and keep going smaller like

[01:10:29] you're in high school and you're like oh you know what if there were no jocks in this school this place

[01:10:34] would be great and then you get rid of those and then there would inevitably be a new group of people

[01:10:39] and I think this is sort of the extreme of that where they're just like we can march across the country

[01:10:43] and get rid of like everybody and then it'll be perfect but inevitably somebody in their group will

[01:10:49] also become a problem in it's just yeah yeah and then the cheesy sort of antithesis to all of that

[01:10:56] is that no we need to work together we need to treat each other with respect and love and

[01:11:01] that's sort of the moral of the story just you gotta be in love that's it

[01:11:07] why don't people just be in love okay just love is it my turn yes Melissa Sylvester says can an

[01:11:15] ending be both incredibly satisfying and incredibly disappointing yes I wish they'd tightened up

[01:11:22] the episodes before this one so they would have had the time to really develop the events in this

[01:11:25] episode I feel like too much hand waving and yada yada yada in spots as much as I'm grateful for

[01:11:31] the reunion it was also unsatisfying it felt like and they lived happily ever after the end

[01:11:36] to glossy and apple pie I love happy endings but this just wasn't a satisfying happy ending

[01:11:41] bonus in the episode john lock being all john lock loved harryo quinn nitpicks and annoyances for

[01:11:46] the show as a whole I find it difficult if not impossible to believe that these large cities

[01:11:50] exist in such a short time after those zombie apocalypse it bugged the snout out of me in the main

[01:11:55] show and was a huge problem for me in this one there would be no realistic way to protect and feed

[01:11:59] large populations if the CRM had knowledge of massive herds of zombies why didn't they put their

[01:12:04] efforts towards eradicating them instead of destroying their fellow humans yes I agree curious

[01:12:10] question does the gas kill zombies and or prevent people turning if they die from the gas if not

[01:12:15] isn't the CRM just creating more zombies like that I say to turn to the world yeah world beyond answers

[01:12:25] some of this like as far as why didn't they put their efforts towards eradicating the zombies you

[01:12:30] saw a lot of that in world beyond where they like have these big stadiums and they blast audio to

[01:12:34] draw the zeds in and then blow them up so they were doing that it just didn't that they did

[01:12:39] focus on that in this series because they had the cram everything and and then yeah the gas killing

[01:12:44] the zombies um they would use the zombies like the ones that they killed in Omaha as experiments like

[01:12:53] didn't they go in and it was sort of not very clear but it sounded like they that one scientist

[01:12:58] Lila Belcha injected had them injected with some formula that would try to prolong how long it took

[01:13:04] them to turn yeah and then they were putting something in I think they were also putting something

[01:13:09] in the gas to like prevent the turning like it was yeah but it didn't work because as we know

[01:13:15] in this episode Biel says then our scientists couldn't solve it so he just like undid all the work

[01:13:19] that scientists did no he said until recently our scientists were doing that and it was only

[01:13:25] until recently because in the world beyond they rebelled and left the CRM right okay right but

[01:13:30] um also what but the big part is that they had made this whole thing in world beyond about how

[01:13:38] the they added something into the chlorine gas that would they would length them the time between

[01:13:43] dying and turning and then yeah the one to live finale it took about five seconds yeah so anyway

[01:13:50] I assume they just like there was a time jump there they're like oh everybody was just unconscious

[01:13:56] even Rick and Michonne and Thorn for like half hour yeah but it is it is I do agree that

[01:14:03] like when you like you're just making more zombies like why would you make think like I don't know like

[01:14:10] anyway well there's I mean agree if if 99.99 percent of the population died which I also think

[01:14:19] is stupid if this really happened 0.001 percent would die and then we'd figure out how to deal

[01:14:26] with these slow stupid creatures but anyway if that many people died that means there's you know 8

[01:14:32] billion zombies so another 200,000 is just a drop in the bucket yeah those are overwhelming numbers

[01:14:41] uh Jordy language says from the first scene I was on the edge of my seat and felt anxious through

[01:14:48] the whole thing although it was great to have the feeling back of really not knowing if our heroes

[01:14:53] would live or die once they started on all the flashback scenes with both of them I started saying

[01:14:58] out loud no I don't like this I don't like this we all know what normally happens when they start

[01:15:05] it's goodbye but they got us real good as they seem to be sprinkled with magic fairy dust and

[01:15:11] indestructible I can't believe they squeezed it all into a 50 minute episode and still trying

[01:15:17] to process that their story is actually over the echelon briefing was underwhelming and the

[01:15:23] kids slideshow didn't seem to have much of a point apart from scaring Michonne into a different

[01:15:28] direction there was a lot of suspension of disbelief in this one but I'm gonna overlook it because I

[01:15:34] still really enjoyed it in the season on a whole none of it was boring and left me wanting more

[01:15:39] which is what you want from a series my only real disappointment was I would have loved a longer

[01:15:44] reunion scene not a lot but maybe just some extra scenes of them playing happy families together

[01:15:51] I think it is what a lot of us were really watching this show for so maybe a couple of shots with

[01:15:55] Judith showing off her walker killing skills to her dad and RJ could have just um shown us his hatchet

[01:16:03] skills shrug a mowagy my only hope now is we'll get a reunion of some sort with our OGs and one

[01:16:10] of the future shows my overall hope would be if it was at Negan's funeral celebration festival jamboree

[01:16:17] carnival gala best day ever about to listen to the podcast and can't wait to hear everyone's thoughts

[01:16:24] also looking forward to getting back into the rewatch and podcasts of the mothership I am loving

[01:16:30] it heart emojis oh Judy I hope they just paper over the fact that Rick and Negan aren't friends

[01:16:38] and when he shows up Rex just like Negan and they give each other hugs buddy

[01:16:44] hi

[01:16:46] play some baseball oh go on

[01:16:52] all right here is kursa hey Jason and we see it's kursa from port land um what a finale

[01:17:02] this is for the ones who live episode six the last time I think it's called um before I watched

[01:17:09] I had a sense that they were getting like that they were both getting out alive um

[01:17:16] you know call it you know a premonition call it woo woo but I just said they're not going to do

[01:17:23] this you know they tried it for sure with mishon mishon and thorn you know facing off and Rick

[01:17:29] getting rushed by walkers you know altrux my highest compliment for this show is the ride itself

[01:17:39] despite what I'm kind of thinking in retrospect was very predictable they made it feel like

[01:17:47] anything could happen um and so I you know hats off to them you know seriously um also the Rick

[01:17:58] in the finale felt like the Rick that bit the climbers throat ironically he meant yes that's

[01:18:05] you know one of the things he did to protect his family um I just feel like he knew he had to kill

[01:18:12] uh beel kill beel he had to kill beel um and he did it without missing a beat um so

[01:18:23] I just think that and end it perfectly the grimes family looks so good I'm just so happy that he

[01:18:30] was reunited with his kids and his wife um I am personally ready for more story um whatever

[01:18:37] form it takes whether it's a season two or just some other um show where the OGs reunite

[01:18:45] I'm here for it um so um I'm looking forward to getting back to rewatch of the original series

[01:18:53] with you guys um I'll try to call in on my favorite episodes good um Lucy I hope that you got a

[01:19:01] lot of work done on your book I'm a writer I tried I know how it is tough I might do it for pleasure

[01:19:08] and I also do it for the paycheck so um talk soon guys don't get bet

[01:19:15] you finished your book thanks korea I did yeah I don't know it has to come back with all the comments

[01:19:28] and stuff but yes it is it is it is done it's done that's why I'm a bit of a wreck

[01:19:34] the moment I think my brain has postnatal has has left yeah it's left the yeah absolutely

[01:19:40] my brain has left my body I'm just like so yes but thank you korea so I think it's your turn oh

[01:19:48] it was my turn yeah yeah to see previous comment um Andrea Mateland says hi Jason and Lucy

[01:19:55] end of message no and I was anxiously waiting for your podcast this week every day I was like where

[01:20:00] Jason and Lucy and finally Thursday there you are I was just so excited about this episode

[01:20:07] going to start backwards with the ending still get teary I just thinking about it I was bawling my eyes out

[01:20:12] not only the reunion but what really got me was when they arrived the way Rick stood back

[01:20:17] awkwardly not sure what to do oh my heart he's missed so much of their lives I loved seeing Kaylee

[01:20:23] I saw an Instagram that she just turned 17 our Judith is not a little girl anymore but the way

[01:20:28] she cries still wrecks me it was a perfect ending now we just need a daryl and rick reunion

[01:20:34] all the year is Darryl spent looking for him he deserves that reunion this brought me back to

[01:20:39] the carol of Darryl conversation on the radio she was able to leave because rick and Michonne came

[01:20:44] back so she didn't abandon the kids like most walking dead parents do anyway moving on other

[01:20:51] things I liked I'll call him feral Rick or bite Joe on the neck Rick the look he was giving

[01:20:56] beer across the desk and when he jumped over the desk I literally screamed and jumped out with

[01:21:00] my seat the tension and the elevator too it was kind of funny when they both looked down at the

[01:21:05] floor but then it was on also jesus apartment the paintings of father gabriel made me a little

[01:21:10] sad for her she never seemed to never get over him all in all it was such an awesome episode it

[01:21:16] was a little rushed and got tied up with a nice little bow but it was satisfying and I was happy

[01:21:21] with the way it went anyway thank you for all you do your podcast is one of the things I'm mostly

[01:21:26] looking forward to every week looking forward to getting back on the rewatch and then Darryl

[01:21:30] Dexan so excited for that this is the shit we do it's my new mantra you guys are the best lots

[01:21:37] of love p.s i've always been a Darryl girl but damn rick looks good she mentioned that moment with

[01:21:46] you know rick and be all across the desk and that was one of the things I loved about the episode

[01:21:52] how that turn when be all realized yeah was about to do and somebody posted on the podcast

[01:21:59] of group on facebook something about how I think that's where it was anyway that the line

[01:22:06] with ok 4 it's last line to rick right before he got shot with net's missile the close caption said

[01:22:16] don't let it take you know what did he say when you yeah when you get the sword

[01:22:23] where you swear on the sword don't let it take but they thought actually what he said was

[01:22:28] when you swear on the sword don't hesitate that's what I heard the first time that makes sense

[01:22:34] i'll have some more sense

[01:22:40] i will say that just the one part of the show that I really did I appreciate it very much was

[01:22:46] the leaping across like does this the killing off of terio quinn because you wouldn't have no

[01:22:51] one expected that like i expected that character to be in there for a long time for a while

[01:22:55] yeah they killed him off and it was perfect and it's it was it was good and it was shocking

[01:23:01] and i did i did appreciate i feel like i have to point out the things i liked

[01:23:05] game myself but that was no no you don't have to do anything but it's not all you're really

[01:23:11] there could be voodoo dolls out there about me um

[01:23:14] no i just thought that was a really great um they killed him off because they needed

[01:23:20] they needed rick to do that they needed to shock us they needed to move the story along

[01:23:24] and that felt real and it felt unexpected i don't think wreck winen and they're thinking he was

[01:23:28] gonna do that and i thought that was excellent so yeah and yeah like the as soon as it happened

[01:23:33] i was like oh this is a one-season show i think yeah i like the implication that he's like

[01:23:43] i ripped a guy's neck out to protect my son and feels like and you no longer have a son

[01:23:49] and in rick's mind he's like actually i have another one so i may need to rip out another neck

[01:23:56] damn that's good yep all right Doug Fick says first off thanks to you guys for covering this

[01:24:02] as well as the rewatch which i look forward to each week right on duck i'm sure the ones who live

[01:24:07] will add some insight to that the first two episodes of this were great and it unfortunately went

[01:24:12] down from there i'm a walking dead devotee and it is on my mount rush more but where was the

[01:24:16] adversity were there ever were they ever in real danger whenever they needed something it was there

[01:24:22] oh look a hybrid vehicle oh look a helicopter oh look a romantic cabin in the woods

[01:24:26] oh look a rumba we need to get back to the crm to destroy them at first we need to do it like six times

[01:24:34] get a room i did think the deny written episode was very good and the jumping out of the helicopter

[01:24:39] was pretty badass but the finale had no surprise it was all too messy and sometimes cheesy plenty

[01:24:46] of gimpil stank to go around i know it was only a six episode offering but this episode was on hyper speed

[01:24:52] michonne gets in jayda's apartment with no issues basically finds the dossier and the cats' ass

[01:24:57] and was able to access a shit ton of grenades and wires oh and zip ties for a military based on

[01:25:02] secrets your security is shite shout out to Lucy meanwhile Rick has his briefing with the all-to

[01:25:11] underused beel and then kills him and says we're not dead 30 second pause you are why not just say

[01:25:18] ostolo vista baby now at the outdoor briefing rick and michonne have unfettered access to all the

[01:25:26] chlorine gas bombs that are soon to be loaded on the choppers i've seen better security at insert

[01:25:32] political joke here they're setting up the bombs and michonne says quote i should be scared but

[01:25:37] i'm not because of you dammit gimpil thorn catches them and shoots at their feet and no one hears

[01:25:45] that that's a good point and finally the massive explosion that kills hundreds but not our heroes

[01:25:51] because what's the no prize for that i think they all have special earbuds into hear the briefing

[01:25:57] and so they can't yeah the helmet's muffled all of the noise right finally the massive explosion

[01:26:03] that kills hundreds but not our heroes because there were water tanks and a tarp i believe the

[01:26:09] department of the suspension of disbelief just added a new wing and while michonne is battling

[01:26:15] thorn love doesn't die seriously rick tosses a grenade to blow up the group of zeds and he's okay

[01:26:22] we're gonna have to expand that department some more call him in resources for all the new hires

[01:26:27] and just like that they defeat the crm single handedly literally sorry rick the crc takes over

[01:26:33] and all is right with the world according to the voiceover finally the reunion it was sweet but

[01:26:39] could have used a couple of varsity walking dead players no rick and derro reunion and yet again

[01:26:45] gimpal appears to have sprayed all over that dialogue too caley was great as usual but rj

[01:26:50] no offense to the little actor but the cgid here in the carnival episode was more convincing

[01:26:59] that was clever but are you the brave man yes but you can call me dad except judith because you know

[01:27:07] chain group hug and the music swells in reality i did like it i did all the callbacks and flashbacks

[01:27:16] were great the bunny the black duffle bag coral etc i just think you could have should have been

[01:27:21] better thanks again guys well that message was very fun to read right on yeah amazing so i

[01:27:31] i did a little retcon for the rick tossing the grenade and somebody was asking what happened to

[01:27:37] heath in the facebook group and i think he became a crm soldier and literally that tour so that

[01:27:44] rick was holding that protected him from the grenade that was he so i'm up in a ballroom

[01:27:51] he came back yeah it's cool reunion all right that was awesome but here's bill from england

[01:27:59] hello jason and lucey this is bill from england and just wanted to leave my feedback

[01:28:04] for the season finale of the ones who live absolutely loved the ending couldn't ask for anything

[01:28:12] more i was crying my partner was crying and just absolutely brilliant honestly i was so happy

[01:28:19] see judy if an rj as well seeing them all together i just know we're so happy it's literally all

[01:28:25] i wanted from this series and it's one of us i'm very happy a few bits that i didn't like about

[01:28:33] this episode specifically whether the pacing just seemed like it was rushed i know they had to

[01:28:39] fit it all in to this last episode for it to finish but i felt like this episode could have easily

[01:28:46] been split into two episodes and it would have felt a lot better also the explosion at the end would

[01:28:55] they have just survived that if it's killing all the soldiers there would they have survived as well

[01:29:01] i know they what was it a blanket over them that was soaked in water but would they still

[01:29:05] and formed surviving it as well i just thought was a bit unrealistic but i'll forgive them because

[01:29:11] they are back home and back with the kids and that was the main thing i wanted i thought when

[01:29:17] machoan was right out the show it was just so uncharacteristic of her to leave her kids i just didn't

[01:29:25] i didn't think but i'm happy they're all back and um yeah i'm happy to hear that you're

[01:29:30] covering the world without tv series too um yeah cheers guys

[01:29:36] thanks bill oh thanks bill i think one thing we didn't mention but when um you know we talked about

[01:29:41] how like he said it was uncharacteristic of machoan to leave her kids and i'm glad they built that

[01:29:46] into this series where she felt guilty about leaving them and uh then at the end in the reunion

[01:29:52] you know um dude said you found him and she goes you told me to

[01:29:56] it was your fault yeah why did you make me do this one last day well dude it actually

[01:30:05] so i think with the explosion i don't think the explosion is what killed everybody i think it's

[01:30:11] the gasked people yeah and then the gasked so they were i mean yeah but i think it's a flag they

[01:30:17] pull over themselves the crm flag and dosed in water i don't know if that would protect them but

[01:30:24] it might do better against gas than a full on explosion so why was thorn the only one who had a

[01:30:31] gask mask well i don't know if you've watched the show lucifer but i think her characters from

[01:30:38] that show and she's technically a demon so she's fine i explained it well no she might have quickly

[01:30:47] realized what they were doing we don't see her for the split second we're looking at the explosion

[01:30:52] so she maybe hustled around one of the containers and whipped on her mask at that moment yeah it

[01:30:59] does seem pretty amateur that if you are going to like let's say lucy and i let's say lucy and

[01:31:04] i are gonna go blow up yep uh place filled with gas bombs i'd be like hey lucy do you think

[01:31:09] maybe we should grab some of these gas masks just in case like nah and i'd be like jenny you nerd no

[01:31:18] i think we're gonna fail you're such a pessimist it's gonna mess up our hair anyway i just think

[01:31:25] i just think that again like also the fact that they didn't like when bill was in the um

[01:31:31] like when he killed bill he didn't stab him in the brain like he put him in that like he didn't know

[01:31:35] he was gonna use him later as a bomb detonator like you think he would have he would have he would have

[01:31:41] so he was in that box going zombie because if you're gonna put him in a box you don't want to be

[01:31:46] carrying around a box and i'll send you here yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a tough subject

[01:31:52] oh yeah i'm actually one of the elite uh animal control people here this is a bunch of raccoons

[01:32:00] yeah anyway and how tight did they have to squish those bodies into that box or he actually did

[01:32:04] put two bodies anyway i like this to have seen him yeah it's shoving the legs and it's

[01:32:09] flopping out of her like was it just like a contingency bill he was like i'll keep him i won't kill him

[01:32:15] yeah just keep him just keep him just keep him just keep him just keep him forward thinking

[01:32:17] enough to do that but not bring a gas mask it's yeah it's Rick isn't that okay

[01:32:26] Christina Jones says hello Jason and Lucy and Randy and Jenny what a wonderful end to the

[01:32:32] reshown chapter of the walking dead sure things wrapped up like a mr and mrs miffesesk bit like finale

[01:32:37] but as a reshown shipper since the fence i can't help but feel a deep sense of satisfaction

[01:32:42] regards to the story of the love story promised sure i can get sassy about some plot points

[01:32:48] that were less than palatable but a none of that detracts from the fact that gimpold deni and

[01:32:52] andy understood the assignment and b were showners across the world have already united in full

[01:32:56] battle mode for all criticism so i'll leave the warriors to it since i'm doing cartwheels in clouds

[01:33:01] right now due to this blunt i decided to offer some funny hopefully anecdotes on some observations

[01:33:07] one my daddy said sometimes you gotta let things burn incinerate gop and smoke black and set a blaze

[01:33:14] these are all cinimums found in the nifty item called the mother fucking the sorus the last two

[01:33:19] episodes could have done with a simple button click love never dies as it does sweetie it's called

[01:33:23] breaking up divorce child support alimony ben and jerry's is sometimes the funeral home some of us

[01:33:28] ladies visit once it's deceased maybe Rick should have come to jesus's room on her her pretence

[01:33:34] of seduction to find the incriminating evidence he would have spotted immediately where she hit it

[01:33:39] called out her torch for gabriel since the evidence is right there and given the cat to mishon with

[01:33:43] her heart inside fuck the sword she already has a sword that's a decidedly karmic souvenir don't judge me

[01:33:51] it's an intense souvenir yes Rick kisses was shown then walks toward the camera with all the

[01:33:56] cockiness of a man who's been baptized in mishones oceans and come from the experience were born

[01:34:00] let's hope he never finds out about that hazzy kiss is you gale put on mishon or else tyris won't

[01:34:07] be the only black man Rick almost beats into a koa whoa that's some blunt uh who isn't expecting

[01:34:18] a pregnancy announcement we all know that after 10 years ricks polo game is weak if not exist

[01:34:23] non-existent ranger things got some of us convinced all child actors are no us can apps

[01:34:31] yep who was on the selection committee of these kids chosen to survive what could possibly be the

[01:34:36] criteria furthermore who was taking all these walmart headshots let's add possible sexual predators

[01:34:42] to the list of authorship the sea i think those might have been AI generated photos actually

[01:34:50] i have no proof but they they looked AI to me maybe it was the children of the crew or something

[01:34:55] right

[01:34:57] terio quin was the ones who was to the ones who live what Samuel L Jackson was in deep blue sea

[01:35:04] the ring goes on the finger after the proposal not after you sealed it with a dick oh my

[01:35:11] this isn't too long or the only podcast i've enjoyed this entire series hope to have another shared

[01:35:16] experience soon

[01:35:21] hi goodness yeah i don't think you had to mention the blunt i think we

[01:35:29] i'm going to take an edible and read that again

[01:35:34] all right thanks that was really fun here's Jenny from jersey

[01:35:39] hey Jason and Lucy this is Jenny from jersey um Lucy i still love you

[01:35:46] and um i just want to entice you by letting you know that my local mall has a ferris wheel

[01:35:53] an indoor water park and a theme park yes it's all in the mall we have to go anyway back to the

[01:36:02] walk in there so thorn was happy to see rick she's a bitch she's fake and i don't like her

[01:36:10] general bill is a pussy and he doesn't do shit they could have done so much better with him

[01:36:18] and he sucks at killing walkers um and when miss shone was going through jatis's room and like

[01:36:24] throwing shit all over the place it's like jatis always wears black why is everything passed out i

[01:36:29] don't fucking understand and i loved how she pulled a dossier out of the tatsyass

[01:36:35] um the actual on briefing was a disappointment because it's kind of like we knew they were doing

[01:36:40] something similar to that right we knew that they were killing cities um if you had to roll beyond

[01:36:47] rick and miss shone get more ass in the apocalypse than i think i've had in my entire life

[01:36:54] and they strategize in between strokes what the fuck um bill killed his hometown

[01:37:02] fucking psycho do do do do do do do do do do get out of here with this shit and they killed him off too

[01:37:08] fast and too easily it was like what did that just happen uh when miss shone looks in the box

[01:37:15] where bill is and says what's in the box and rick's look on his face is like well honey i kind

[01:37:23] of lost my shit rick gave miss shone general bill sword that was amazing uh sword definitely

[01:37:31] wanted to touch rick's penis and she will never get the chance to uh general bill as a walker was

[01:37:38] amazing i really did like that and like miss shone has bills sword on her back and thorn doesn't

[01:37:46] like notice this uh the big explosion was awesome uh where the fuck did they get the masks from

[01:37:54] like randomly they both have masks like i know that thorn had it gave it to rick and miss shone's

[01:37:59] running around in yellow gas meanwhile she's got like lung damage and shit i thought she was a

[01:38:03] goner i really did um and then the reunion at the end i'm not i'm not a fan of it i thought

[01:38:10] miss shone was gonna die i didn't want her to die but i really did think that it was over for her

[01:38:15] it was like a fairytale ending and since when does the walking dead have fucking fairytales in it

[01:38:20] like i don't know i was disappointed not that i wanted anybody to die but i definitely didn't expect

[01:38:28] that anyway guys thank you for listening i hope i didn't go over my three minutes and have a

[01:38:33] wonderful day bye thanks pinney thank you jenny a lot of what's funny is in this universe

[01:38:43] of a happy ending is like all right well we still only have to deal with eight billion zombies that

[01:38:48] want to eat us foods always going to be a problem like that's the happy ending that everybody's

[01:38:55] getting it's still a pretty yeah like ending also and after 14 years i'm ready for some happy

[01:39:02] endings yeah at one point i did think to myself like what if what if um rick is in a coma and he's

[01:39:09] imagining all this like i was like what if we go back to the beginning and then he wakes up and he's

[01:39:14] like oh i'm still married to lori no i thought maybe he was in a coma like i thought it couldn't be

[01:39:21] that perfect in ending and i was like maybe one of them is dead and they're imagining or one of

[01:39:24] them is in a coma i think like i thought that was a dream because people always set you know

[01:39:28] because that started off with him waking up from a coma into the zombie apocalypse and people have

[01:39:32] said maybe the tall dream no i just thought maybe he like and it like he buttoned we buttoned it with

[01:39:36] a next like another coma like bookend you know if they really if they really wanted to go back and

[01:39:42] fix any of the mistakes they made in the show they could have rick wake up from his coma his coma now

[01:39:48] but he still wakes up into the zombie apocalypse he just has to do it all over again oh my god

[01:39:53] oh my god you guys one question she said something about thorn gave him her mask did thorn give

[01:40:00] the mask or did he take it she gave it remember she said that's when she's like you guys were right

[01:40:06] and then she hands it yeah so she changed her mind like to leave miss the yeah it's the end

[01:40:12] like i can almost picture raya George you guys watch um the screen rants pitch meetings yes

[01:40:19] and it's like why would she do that oh because the end of the show yeah because

[01:40:23] the story says she really flip flopped a lot she changed her mind and then changed her mind

[01:40:29] and then changed her mind at the end yeah christie from tarana says hello podcast the capi's well

[01:40:36] guess i was wrong they finished it a lot of us woke up Monday morning with agonar faces and i'm

[01:40:42] pretty sure jason knows someone a beer that's true in total ungimpal style they actually wrapped

[01:40:50] up a storyline in an efficient manner so many easter eggs and callbacks family reunion sucker

[01:40:56] punch me right in the fields so satisfying for all of us who have stuck through it all the years

[01:41:02] walkers, fave character deaths and asshole dictators i'd like to say i'm completely satisfied but

[01:41:08] i have two major issues i needed at least two more episodes i couldn't believe the flip flopping

[01:41:15] of thorn hey we were just saying i wanted to like her and understand her choices but she just

[01:41:21] felt like a discarded tool of the plot i wanted to see more scenes with biel and see the control he

[01:41:27] is able to wield over everyone although the idea that the world is screwed screwed and only i

[01:41:33] have the ability to save it off from him got my trumpie senses tingle i'm here the other issue

[01:41:39] is that damn echelon briefing only on the walking dead could two thousand plus soldiers jadis

[01:41:45] ochrefour and thorn included be convinced to suspend any moral qualms about killing most of the

[01:41:51] human race because a couple of bean counting statisticians say so my apologies to statisticians

[01:41:57] everywhere statit status oh no statistician my apologies to statit status oh wow okay my apologies

[01:42:08] to people who do stats everywhere wait we saved it you are valued and we see you

[01:42:17] though we cannot pronounce your title okay back to the briefing i really wanted to hear something

[01:42:23] convincing i wanted my moral center to be challenged and i needed to see conflict and wreck

[01:42:29] he spent the whole series plumbing the deepest steps to protect us fraternal and found family

[01:42:34] then he was offered just that they're complete and total safety in exchange for sacrificing people

[01:42:40] he didn't know it would likely never meet and i know we were all expecting some new bit of intel

[01:42:46] that would shake him just like it shook all of those who were brainwashed i mean briefed before him

[01:42:53] in the end it was just vague and meh forecasts are well informed guesses not definitive facts

[01:43:00] if they always came true then weather forecasters would be the sages the mongus my apologies to

[01:43:06] whether people everywhere we see you too meteorologists all my other theories crapped out

[01:43:14] the words and the credits didn't point to anything specific in the plot line and rick just thought

[01:43:19] that windmills are cool to look at all that being said i still sobbed like nancy carrigan insert

[01:43:25] cartman voice here at the end so nice to see the story coming full circle i guess since there's

[01:43:31] obviously not going to be a second season guess all that's left is to lay back and let the solar

[01:43:36] eclipse burn out my retinas no wait darel guess i'll keep my retinas a little longer thank you to all

[01:43:43] the amazing people who work so hard to bring this amazing adventure to our homes every week

[01:43:47] it has gotten us all through so many difficult times and thank you to jason and lucy and karen and

[01:43:53] ben and everyone who has invited us into this podcast the community you guys have always made

[01:43:59] everyone feel welcome and included in i second that notion thanks christie but never the statisticians

[01:44:09] we don't have any time for them no they're not well you know it's interesting how she says the moral

[01:44:15] conflict in rick because thinking about the mask i kind of almost wonder if originally rick was just

[01:44:20] gonna like thorn didn't die like if he just taken the mask off her face then he's a bad person

[01:44:28] so they had to let her offer the mask so that he could continue to be a good person and if she

[01:44:34] died outright without saying you were right then they wouldn't have had that like moment so it's

[01:44:39] almost like they needed because rick could have ripped it off her face and then like i'm taking

[01:44:43] it your monster but then he becomes a really bad guy so she had to suddenly change her mind and hand

[01:44:48] it over like it just i think they needed us to rick needed to be good yeah and and specifically at

[01:44:56] this point because there's been points in his arc where he would have been natural for him to do

[01:45:01] that but yeah no it's the end of the story so he can't be the bad guy she had to she had to sacrifice

[01:45:06] herself rather than him kill another person so anyway interesting i like how stories are made

[01:45:14] but yeah so you think about the kind of thing and then it's like because i think this is a flaw

[01:45:20] of gimpel sometimes that because of that kind of a logic he has people do things that don't really

[01:45:25] make sense because he wants to stick to whatever is thematically right it versus what is actually

[01:45:29] what people actually do you know she could have just been like here take the damn mask i spit in it

[01:45:35] yeah before you saw i farted in it too every nasty gas is in there rick

[01:45:48] already like we're showing it smells weird

[01:45:50] there's yours is no no just kidding all right we got one more call let's hear from arch mister

[01:45:56] any and she said i haven't listened yet but she said it spoils the end of the comics so if you

[01:46:03] don't want to hear the spoiler for the very end of the walking to comic series then you should probably

[01:46:07] just stop listening and thank you for listening everybody who doesn't want to be spoiled but i think

[01:46:12] everyone should just listen so here we go well i was so stunned by the unmitigated happy ending that

[01:46:20] i was expecting hordes and hordes of zombies to come pouring out of those trees from all sides

[01:46:27] converging on our re-induclier family and ending on a cliffhanger for season two but that didn't

[01:46:35] happen so i've been chewing on this ending and thinking about the ways that it is similar to

[01:46:42] but quite different from the ending of the comic so all through this series i had been hoping

[01:46:47] that if one of two was going to die that they would follow the comic trajectory and kill rick

[01:46:53] and keep michan alive but both of them survived and in the end of the comic you fast forward

[01:47:01] several years and the project is to start rebuilding civilization and they're working on building

[01:47:08] trains to link far-flung small communities and there there's a sort of hope that this can be a

[01:47:18] fair and democratic dare i say it in process because all the communities are small but here

[01:47:26] in the ending of the ones who live you've got a superpower they still have a military it's not an

[01:47:33] evil military anymore but it's still a military and they have helicopters and they have such

[01:47:38] them abundance that they can use these helicopters to bring food to the poorer communities and

[01:47:47] ultimately i don't like this imbalance of power i think it diminishes the group of people that

[01:47:54] we've followed through all these seasons of all these shows whereas the comic gives us

[01:48:02] a vision of maybe starting over so um i liked it i didn't dislike it i just it took me a while to

[01:48:11] figure out why the ending bothered me a bit and and that's why because we have a superpower

[01:48:18] interesting yeah we know about the commonwealth and now the civic republic in philadelphia and

[01:48:27] i think i think about series like lost and breaking bad where their creators

[01:48:33] had an ending in mind and lobbied to end their series before it naturally would or before

[01:48:38] the network would have liked for it to end because it was popular right there no we want to

[01:48:43] had tell a good story they ended it and they had well you might argue about lost but anyway

[01:48:49] they had an ending and with the walking dead the problem is that the the AMC owns all of the

[01:48:55] walking dead and they wanted to just milk it until it's very last drop and so they can't work

[01:49:02] towards ending like that so now i think if they had all these communities across the country

[01:49:08] connected together then it would the situation would be less dire than it has been in before and

[01:49:15] less and therefore less dramatic you know i don't know my rambling i don't know yeah i think one of

[01:49:21] the things that does stand stick out for me with the commonwealth and the crm is that we don't see

[01:49:27] the communities build up to those points so it feels like we kind of skip like what could have

[01:49:32] been an interesting bit of the story i'd say with the commonwealth it still felt like our main

[01:49:38] group could potentially take them like they only felt like a few steps ahead of them where

[01:49:43] the crm feels almost like a current day military there's something in reny's message we're talking

[01:49:50] about the trains i think if the crm had been using trains instead of helicopters it would have

[01:49:56] felt a little more placed in the world as opposed to like feeling way more like a sharp contrast

[01:50:04] and i'm also not saying that that's bad i do actually like seeing like how the groups react to

[01:50:09] these very different things but i think one of the things i've been pointing for myself is missing

[01:50:15] seeing the transition from what was like you know three people at the very beginning to be coming

[01:50:22] a group like the crm i feel like we miss some of that story i mean every every community

[01:50:29] Alexandria they found you know they didn't tripled up um even yeah would bury like they just

[01:50:36] keep finding all these communities then taking over and even the commonwealth they kind of took

[01:50:41] over because it was Zekeel at the kingdom uh but i but just thinking about the essence of reny's

[01:50:47] message i think it's more about that there's a superpower so instead of in the comic where you see

[01:50:51] all these communities sort of developing at the same rate and then working together there's just one

[01:50:58] big win in that bothersome for some reason yeah all the smaller ones aren't on the same level as them

[01:51:04] and yeah i think it is it's the it's the radical potential of the apocalypse to be this like a

[01:51:10] egalitarian society yeah the the comic always got quite right and i always find it interesting that

[01:51:17] like when you reach to like walker stalker cahn back in the day peter and i were all was nerding out

[01:51:23] about like the charlie ad lord panel and like the kind of more comic so the stuff that was more

[01:51:29] tries to go up it feels like it's become more and more removed from the comic over the years and it's

[01:51:33] sometimes jarring when you see like kirtman's name pop up at the start because it feels like his

[01:51:38] connection to it ended when the comic ended back in 2019 and that was someone who ended it on

[01:51:43] their own terms as well which is very cool yeah jarring um yeah cool and jarring and

[01:51:50] yeah i still think about that a lot um yeah it's interesting the two have become really really

[01:51:56] separate i think ever since we kind of realized the crm wasn't going to be the commonwealth

[01:52:01] that was when the biggest divergence has started happening in the in the show and

[01:52:06] yeah it feels like the crm is very much an emc invention i think which makes it more difficult to

[01:52:12] there's two otter while he's like kind of an otter in the world the walking dead and

[01:52:17] and he's not robber crickman

[01:52:19] his own thing going on but as far as like the the potential of the zami apocalypse to

[01:52:26] rebuild in a way that's egalitarian i do think the show

[01:52:29] covered that in a way with the commonwealth because it made us ask the question oh god look we're

[01:52:36] rebuilding society exactly as it was before with classes is that okay you know i mean it did

[01:52:41] tackle that subject yeah and i think what reny is saying is and hope i'm not speaking for them

[01:52:49] wrong way here is just like it's weird that after that we then go to this like oh there is an

[01:52:54] overpower who will come and save us all okay or control us all or yeah has the power to impact

[01:53:00] us in a way that's completely out with our control like their america they're there were

[01:53:05] america thinks of it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah interesting oh that that does not

[01:53:11] bowed well for darald xc and jive the opening scene of two americans anything to go by

[01:53:22] all right that is our show episode five seventy six thanks so much for listening everybody thank you

[01:53:27] Jenny and randy i'm glad you guys will come on yeah thank you so much for having us

[01:53:31] very cool yeah thank you very much next episode will be part two of your feedback for the walking

[01:53:37] dead the ones who live season one episode six the last time which i think will actually the last time

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[01:54:45] that i loved most in there is the fact that ahead of time you guys were like should we be podcasters

[01:54:50] and i was like yeah but maybe like choose different names so you're not applied like it's not

[01:54:55] you 100% and then when you guys pop on you're just like i'm Jason and you see it's like well

[01:55:01] i'm filled uh don't look at why i actually don't remember you saying that so

[01:55:10] i was confused uh i also want to mention that the show fall out based on the video game

[01:55:18] just came out yesterday on amazon all eight episodes and we will because since they all released at

[01:55:23] once instead of trying to get people to watch weekly we're just going to do a single episode of that

[01:55:29] on house podcastica it'll be been in me and maybe another host and it'll be on the house podcastica

[01:55:34] plus benswill home podcast so uh look look for that coming up in about a week and a half or so

[01:55:40] it looks like a great series i haven't got a chance to watch any of it yet but i'm looking

[01:55:44] to it been getting amazing reviews yeah and last i'll mention this episodes made possible by patreon

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