583: Furiosa (2024)

[00:00:00] Hey guys, I just wanted to let you know up front that we recorded this episode on Furiosa and

[00:00:07] I had intended to put it out and then immediately put out more Walking Dead rewatch episodes

[00:00:12] But Lucy got sick and she has a stomach bug and then she's also going on a trip that she already had planned

[00:00:19] Right after you know, hopefully she'll get better soon

[00:00:21] but anyway

[00:00:22] That's all just to say that here's an episode to hold you over for a little while and

[00:00:27] We'll get back to the rewatch as soon as we can. It'll just be like a week later than we thought it was gonna be

[00:00:32] So in the meantime, I hope you enjoy this podcast

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[00:01:48] Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast, I'm Jason and I'm Randy

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[00:01:54] This is the cast of us episode 583

[00:01:57] I think in this episode we're covering the newly released Australian post-apocalyptic action spectacular

[00:02:05] Furiosa

[00:02:07] First off welcome Sam and Randy Randy's been on before Sam's new welcome guys

[00:02:13] Just

[00:02:17] To give you guys a little intro Randy and I covered guardians of galaxy volume 3 last year on this podcast

[00:02:24] One of my favorite Marvel movies. I've watched it again since then so good and then Randy and I co-hosted

[00:02:32] Welcome to the white lotus together with my wife Jenny and then since then Randy you've been doing the

[00:02:38] Totally fun amazingly well produced. Welcome to the apocalypse with Jenny

[00:02:43] Hopefully the season finale of that will be coming out soon

[00:02:50] Are you gonna guess down there

[00:03:09] Was just my real self so I

[00:03:14] Was funny at all

[00:03:20] A couple of patreon exclusive podcast together and you've also been a guest recently a few times over on still slaying a Buffy first podcast

[00:03:30] Yeah, it is I want to get them on something that more people will hear actually

[00:03:39] Figure out like boost all the podcast

[00:03:44] Job it's really awesome. Yeah, I'm proud of it which more people would listen

[00:03:51] So

[00:03:52] for the ones who are so

[00:03:55] That's you guys. So why are we covering Furiosa because it's it's post-apocalyptic. So I figure it might appeal to this crowd

[00:04:03] It's also a prequel to I think my all-time favorite action movie Fury Road Mad Max Fury Road

[00:04:09] Which we did actually cover briefly on this podcast back in 2015

[00:04:14] Melissa Hutchison who voices Clementine in the telltale walking in games was my co-host

[00:04:18] That's episode 183. If you want to go back and listen, I'll put a link in the show notes

[00:04:22] And that one was doubled up with ex machina. Yeah another

[00:04:28] And also why else cover Furiosa cuz it's badass and

[00:04:33] So

[00:04:35] Into it

[00:04:35] I'm just curious because I asked in the group who would be interested and you were two people who were interested and is that because

[00:04:42] And that was before the movie even came out. So we didn't know what it's gonna be like. Are you Mad Max fans or what?

[00:04:48] Yeah, I dug Fury Road. That was great

[00:04:52] I've watched that one a bunch of times, but I am also like just a fan of apocalyptic stories

[00:04:58] I haven't actually watched the Gibson ones. I've seen so much about them. I feel like they're in the zeitgeist

[00:05:06] But yeah anything apocalyptic I'm all for cool Sam

[00:05:12] Yeah, I'm right there with you guys. It's it's a trifecta

[00:05:16] Mad Max Fury Road is probably one of my favorite films of all time. I

[00:05:20] I've watched that movie

[00:05:23] way like 20 30 times

[00:05:29] And like my memory of Fury Road I

[00:05:33] Had low expectations going into it cuz like like you Randy

[00:05:36] I've seen clips of of the Mel Gibson's Mad Max and I knew it was niche and

[00:05:41] It's usually more of my type of genre

[00:05:43] But I just never really got into it

[00:05:45] and I remember seeing Fury Road in the middle of grad school and I was just really burned out from

[00:05:50] Just everything grad school is about I was like, I just want to like shut off my brain for a bit

[00:05:55] I'll go watch this action movie and it was

[00:05:59] the best two hours

[00:06:01] like it was I mean I

[00:06:05] Yes, we could talk more about it. But like it just made a huge impact on me of just how

[00:06:11] Incredible that story writing was and I really like action movies that have female leads in them and well-done female leads

[00:06:18] So Charlie's there

[00:06:21] Yes

[00:06:23] Interested to see her character's backstory. Yeah, I

[00:06:28] Saw I'm older than you guys. I saw Road Warrior

[00:06:31] I'm pretty sure the original Mad Max either had a very limited release or came out after Road Warrior here

[00:06:37] I should have looked that up but Road Warrior was the first big Mad Max released the second movie here in the States

[00:06:43] And I think I saw it at some point and I didn't really like it that much

[00:06:49] It just didn't feel like my kind of thing

[00:06:51] I know a lot of it's such a cult hit and a hit and I don't know

[00:06:56] I just thought this is grungy and I and then I

[00:07:00] Watched Thunderdome and I didn't really like that that much and I eventually went back and watched the original Mad Max

[00:07:06] Which is interesting because you think it's post-apocalyptic, but it's actually not it's

[00:07:11] Happens as society starting to break down. Yeah, and that in my head it it's all post-apocalyptic

[00:07:17] So I was shocked at that and it's really it's really

[00:07:35] So I haven't seen any of those three in a while and I didn't really like any of but I went and watched Fury Road

[00:07:41] Anyway, because the trailers looked amazing and I fucking loved it and and I'm like it's the same director same writer

[00:07:48] I'm like what maybe I changed and I should go back

[00:07:51] I think I need to go back and just take a look at some of those and see if the artfulness is there cuz I

[00:07:56] Don't remember that, you know

[00:07:58] Yeah, I suspect those were a much lower budget

[00:08:02] Yeah, like and like this had a budget and clearly of seasoned director and writer and I think he's

[00:08:09] Yeah

[00:08:12] Yeah, but I'm still curious to go back and see if I can appreciate them more because Fury Road is just I mean my favorite

[00:08:20] So let's get into this movie Furiosa we're like, yeah, we hated it

[00:08:33] Let's just talk

[00:08:34] No

[00:08:35] Because I might want to cover Fury Road again because I only talked about it briefly but um, what did you think in general Randy?

[00:08:43] I

[00:08:44] Liked it

[00:08:46] However, as I've been putting my points together, I realized like they're all kind of looking at the negatives

[00:08:51] but I think that's just cuz it's easier to pinpoint like things you dislike or notice but

[00:08:57] Overall, my my thoughts on it are like that was great

[00:09:01] I like outlandishly defined groups battling each other and

[00:09:06] Also like that this movie like expanded on some of the lore and opens the world up

[00:09:12] So yeah, overall. I had a great time watching this

[00:09:16] Sam I

[00:09:19] Kind of vacillate back and forth with it when I first left the theaters. I liked it

[00:09:25] I thought it was decent and then I made the mistake of watching Fury Road again

[00:09:32] And

[00:09:34] I mean that that's like one of the points that I can talk about a little bit in a bit

[00:09:39] I like I I'm a little surprised at the backlash

[00:09:43] It's gotten and I have some thoughts on why I think that is and why this movie isn't landing with people as well

[00:09:50] As the as the initial movie did I thought it was pretty decent. I mean as a standalone movie, I thought it was good

[00:09:58] To take it into the franchise that it's a part of I think that's where it can fall

[00:10:04] It was a well-made movie and I think that's probably what saved it

[00:10:09] Yeah for me

[00:10:10] I just I mean

[00:10:11] I think Fury Road one thing it had going for it is it was just such a hard-driving

[00:10:17] Relentless movie and it took place over a few days and this is a different kind of movie

[00:10:21] It's a saga that takes place over 15 years and it's and I think I applaud George Miller for doing something different and not just trying

[00:10:28] What worked?

[00:10:30] And so going into I watched it twice and the first time I was a bit even though I knew that I ate

[00:10:37] They said this is gonna be a much bigger tale taking over a lot

[00:10:40] But I was still thrown off a little bit by how different it was in a lot of ways

[00:10:46] So then the second time when I didn't have those expectations

[00:10:49] And I liked it a lot the first time in fact

[00:10:52] I thought it started off a little weak the first time but then towards the end

[00:10:55] I was totally drawn in and I was loving it. And then the second time I actually appreciated the whole thing

[00:11:00] But as far as like backlash, the only backlash I've seen is that it hasn't made as much money as they thought it would

[00:11:07] But it has a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 90% audience score

[00:11:12] So from what I've seen people who see it have loved it

[00:11:16] Yeah, so I'm curious to hear what you're talking about

[00:11:30] I thought it was beautifully shot and composed artful great performances thrilling acting great dialogue funny and

[00:11:38] disturbing sometimes at the same time

[00:11:40] I think the character of Furiosa is amazing and Anya Taylor-Joy just nailed it and so did Chris Hemsworth

[00:11:47] I didn't like it as much as Furio, but that's really hard given. It's my favorite action movie

[00:11:54] I like this movie more than most action movies

[00:11:57] I've seen so I liked it more than you guys clearly the doubt the biggest downside for me is I started to get

[00:12:03] Confused in the middle about who was fighting it who and why and even the second time I was still kind of confused

[00:12:10] I feel like they could have cut some of that stuff out and made it a little shorter and it would have been tighter. Yeah

[00:12:16] Yeah, yeah

[00:12:19] Yeah

[00:12:21] So let's get into our points do you want to go first Sam you look like you got something to say

[00:12:26] I

[00:12:36] Think the first point that I had is

[00:12:39] why I have mixed feelings about it and

[00:12:42] Why I think it is

[00:12:45] Not making a lot of money

[00:12:47] Because you would think if the fans loved it so much more people would be going out to see it

[00:12:51] Like they would be like like Mad Max Fury Road, it's a niche cult film

[00:12:58] Everyone was going to the theaters to see it though and not initially initially

[00:13:02] It wasn't making a lot of money, but then it got this huge wave and we're not yeah

[00:13:06] We're not yeah, usually when something starts off with slow like that

[00:13:10] But then gets big word of mouth then the sequel will start up bigger. Yeah

[00:13:15] so it's I so I

[00:13:18] Was doing a deep dive into it and you know

[00:13:21] I was just like why do I feel this sort of ambivalence because it was really well-made film probably one of the best-made films

[00:13:27] I've seen in a long time and I'm like the acting like you were saying Jason was incredible

[00:13:33] I think Anya Taylor-Joy

[00:13:35] Had an incredible incredibly high like level to reach and I think she did it. I think she did a fantastic job

[00:13:43] Yeah, and Chris Helmsworth, I I thought he'd be a very charismatic

[00:13:48] Bonkers bad guy. He was clearly having fun and that made me enjoy his character

[00:13:54] Like he was enjoying this character and that made me enjoy him

[00:13:58] But in a way in a way that made me think oh, you're a better actor than I thought you were

[00:14:03] I already thought it was

[00:14:05] It was like a different person, you know

[00:14:08] Yeah

[00:14:09] so I he's another point that that I have because his character is so nuanced for for me and

[00:14:15] And so I think this film it was so well done

[00:14:19] And so I'm like, why do I have these mixed feelings when it was clearly well done

[00:14:23] I mean George Miller is just really thoughtful about his stories at least from Fury Road. I mean there isn't

[00:14:29] He knows how the story is gonna go and I think a lot of this is a comparison to Fury Road

[00:14:37] And at the same time this was almost a decade after Fury Road

[00:14:42] so I you know if you're gonna do a

[00:14:45] Sequel or prequel the idea is to do it when the hype is around

[00:14:50] You know when the hype is around it doing it almost a decade later

[00:14:54] that's a lot to ask for the fan base and

[00:14:57] And so if you're a Mad Max fan, you're gonna watch any Mad Max movie no matter what

[00:15:02] It's sort of that momentum has given way and I looked online there were some lawsuits going on and then the pandemic so I get

[00:15:09] time was just always gonna be against them and

[00:15:13] Prequels don't seem to do very well

[00:15:17] like solo like

[00:15:19] Because you have a different cast so you're attached to the characters in the universe

[00:15:23] It has to be nuanced and I'm not sure that us as fans at least for myself. I'm not sick of

[00:15:30] The current storyline so you want to go back in time and like you said Jason

[00:15:36] I think it was fantastic to fill in details and

[00:15:39] I

[00:15:41] Wrote down sounds like why doesn't why don't I?

[00:15:43] Mind about it because at its core

[00:15:45] Furiosa story was completed at the end of Fury Road and this movie

[00:15:50] Entertainingly fills in the gaps of things. I didn't really care too much about

[00:15:55] Like why does she have a robotic arm? How did she shave her head? How does she get to be the leader of the war rig?

[00:16:02] interesting but a two and a half hour movie

[00:16:05] I'm not sure the details to a story that's already been told and told really really well

[00:16:11] Was something that was gonna hold at least my attention and my friends that I went with were like it was cool by itself

[00:16:18] As part of this franchise, I don't know if this was the way to go

[00:16:23] Like he says now he's like I want to do another prequel but this time with

[00:16:29] The wasteland with Max a year before I'm like, oh

[00:16:34] That's closer. That's like that's similar actors and

[00:16:39] Like and it's a very tight storyline. And like you said Jason the first movie was

[00:16:45] frenetic pace tight storyline you could go in there and it was just

[00:16:52] For me I'd never seen anything like that in movies

[00:16:54] I mean it was just all over the place well-acted easy to follow

[00:16:59] Like I remember had like the first hour my heart rate didn't go down

[00:17:06] This one

[00:17:08] It was two and a half hours a half an hour longer than Fury Road and I felt the extra half an hour

[00:17:13] Yeah, and as well as it was done. I was like, I don't know if we needed all this to be drawn out

[00:17:19] So yeah

[00:17:24] Some of the inevitabilities with a prequel is you already know where things are going to end

[00:17:29] so you do lose a little element of the like surprise so like yeah, you are just

[00:17:35] having

[00:17:37] questions answered that you already kind of know the answer to but I

[00:17:41] Would say they added in enough other characters

[00:17:44] That like we didn't know where they were going to end up that it held my attention and kept me entertained there as well

[00:17:51] but yeah, I do think prequels have that issue where it's like

[00:17:55] We already know this character like lives and yeah

[00:17:58] I mean it like solo. I liked solo more than most people but I

[00:18:04] I

[00:18:11] Yeah, I didn't love it but um

[00:18:14] but I understand for that movie like the way that they said why his name is solo and

[00:18:20] The showing him when the Millennium Falcon and all that like yeah

[00:18:24] That's stuff that kind of thing and there's a lot of prequels that do that kind of thing where you're just like who cares

[00:18:31] This one I didn't feel like that at all because it's the story

[00:18:35] Just enrich this character so much for me to see

[00:18:39] What she went through made what happens in Fury Road have more meaning to me

[00:18:46] Impactful and like how you got the name solo is different than how you lost your arm

[00:18:50] I think that's a big deal, right?

[00:18:52] Like I want to I want to see that and then the way that they showed it

[00:18:55] It was that was the most striking thing in the movie to me

[00:18:59] So for me the way what I'm jiving with what you're saying is only partially mostly

[00:19:05] I think it's that it just was too much like it like I said before

[00:19:09] It started to be where I was like, okay

[00:19:12] It feels like the movie's repeating itself with these bills that don't I don't quite get the meaning

[00:19:18] so I just I

[00:19:19] Wonder if it had been tightened up a little bit and had some of the excess trimmed out that it would have landed better

[00:19:24] I don't know

[00:19:25] That's a good point I wonder if it was more like a linear like

[00:19:31] Fast-paced frenetic would it have landed with me and me and some other people like I mean

[00:19:36] I wonder if it would land a little bit better because this I like you I like that

[00:19:41] He did something different the challenges when you do something different

[00:19:44] It does bring that of like I was kind of hoping

[00:19:48] That it was gonna be

[00:19:51] Like

[00:19:52] With the sequels you don't care about how the little details came about but the broad strokes

[00:19:59] I think I'm just thinking this through right now. It is more

[00:20:03] interesting to me where you can see because really in Fury Road, we didn't know much about her at all and

[00:20:10] So there was something actually appealing about that to just the mystery of it

[00:20:14] I feel like

[00:20:16] What trade what the trade-off is worth it where it actually just deepens her care and makes that try

[00:20:22] I'm so glad they showed a little montage of Fury Road at the end because this

[00:20:28] Satisfactory completion of her story, which I don't even know if we should spoil on this podcast, but just it makes sense

[00:20:41] Made

[00:20:43] Where she was heading make more sense as well like knowing like yeah

[00:20:49] Yeah, I would say we can spoil some plot elements, but maybe not the end

[00:20:54] Taking the wives

[00:20:56] Yep

[00:20:57] Yeah, like I definitely I can see that because it I guess for me I didn't need it

[00:21:03] I love I loved her character in Fury Road and this was cool to figure out her backstory

[00:21:08] I don't know if I really like I knew enough that she like she said she was kidnapped from

[00:21:13] Her people at a young age. Her mom was dead

[00:21:16] She's been working for the warlord and she's trying to find her way home in

[00:21:19] Fury Road and then you find out like oh my gosh, it's all been destroyed

[00:21:22] and so like it was interesting to see it play out and

[00:21:27] Like I think it was really really well done. I don't I think in any other

[00:21:32] Directors hands. I don't know. I think I would have just really disliked the movie

[00:21:37] Yeah

[00:21:42] How did she get to be the Imperator like yeah, that was that were some not like oh that's a cool mystery

[00:21:50] It was like what fuck? Well, how did that happen? I want to know

[00:21:58] Yeah, and it's it's helpful like

[00:22:01] I wonder if fans could do like what you said Jason of like clip out some of like the excess

[00:22:07] And like make it like

[00:22:21] Yeah, I saw this with somebody who hadn't seen Fury Road

[00:22:25] So I was kind of watching it through like their eyes as well, which was really interesting

[00:22:29] They left being like, oh I need to see Fury Road. They were super curious to know where her story

[00:22:35] But when they think of this movie, yeah, they liked it

[00:22:38] Yeah, he liked it enough that they were like I want to watch more so they want to see Fury Road now

[00:22:46] Yeah, they don't have the expectation of it being like a non-stop car chase and I

[00:22:52] Having that person there with me also helped because I was like, yeah, I'm gonna watch it fresh eyes with you as well

[00:22:59] And I would be curious if you guys ever do watch it again. Let me know if if your opinion changes

[00:23:05] Expectations might I liked it more

[00:23:15] I think it's like what you were saying like the expectations and yeah, they've never seen Charlize Theron in that role

[00:23:22] They've never seen Mad Max in that role. So that's their introduction to that universe

[00:23:27] I wonder if it does make everything so much easier

[00:23:31] Yeah

[00:23:32] Let's say I'm landing in the middle where like there were questions that I did want answered where a lot of prequels you're like

[00:23:39] Yeah, I don't like I don't need to know how Han Solo got his jacket

[00:23:43] Like yeah, if they went and they were like, here's how Fury also got the pants she wears

[00:23:52] This felt like a deep story about yeah a revenge movie really, you know, and yeah

[00:23:58] feminist movie

[00:24:00] She is in like essentially a powerful role in the

[00:24:05] World that she lives in and knowing she was like kidnapped from somewhere

[00:24:09] you're like, how do you go from kidnap to like being in charge of something like the

[00:24:16] Moving of their products and stuff like that. So that I really wanted to know

[00:24:21] Especially when it didn't start with her just immediately being at the Citadel. You're like wait. She's with this group

[00:24:28] Yeah

[00:24:31] When

[00:24:32] when we were I was watching it with Jenny and

[00:24:35] You know

[00:24:36] Dementus comes into it and they're all like, oh we gotta talk to Dementus get Dementus's approval

[00:24:42] and then you see him on the screen and

[00:24:44] About three minutes in Jenny's like, oh, I understand now why she's with a Morton Joe because he's better than this guy

[00:24:52] I

[00:24:57] Mean he's I don't I didn't ask her what she meant by this but in my opinion

[00:25:04] He's just a huge blowhard, right? He's got charisma and to one type or another and

[00:25:12] He's got a presence. I would say that's

[00:25:15] And also a boldness and a confidence but he's just a blowhard and he he's an idiot and

[00:25:24] It's like that's why I think this is a this is a

[00:25:27] It always feels weird as a guy to say this, but this is how I feel

[00:25:30] I think it's a feminist movie and it's like the just typical thing. You see so much of guys who

[00:25:39] Don't have the qualifications getting into positions of power

[00:25:45] So

[00:25:50] We should move along with some points Randy, yeah, why don't you go next?

[00:25:55] So my first point is just the brutality of this movie

[00:25:59] Yeah has really stuck with me and I've been trying to figure out like what it is about this that

[00:26:07] is sticking with me more so than like all the other movies and shows that I watch and

[00:26:12] I think there it's twofold with this. I think partly some of the brutality we see is

[00:26:19] Used against people that we've become attached to so Furiosa's mother

[00:26:24] Jack the other driver

[00:26:27] but they

[00:26:29] They I feel like they're going back to the the old-school storytelling where they're not showing all of the brutality

[00:26:36] You know something gruesome is happening, but you kind of have to picture what it is and that's making it so much worse

[00:26:46] Yeah, and like I'm thinking back to the last movie and I don't think there was anything quite this brutal

[00:26:53] Which also really bleeds into Furiosa's character

[00:26:57] But all of it has been like it's kind of haunting. I feel like Jack's

[00:27:03] Death the fact that he has this like quiet resignation to his death. He's not yelling

[00:27:10] He's not like how dare you bastards kill me

[00:27:13] It's just like they've chained him up and he's like I know what's gonna happen

[00:27:16] And he just kind of goes along with it. And I think that allows you to like

[00:27:21] He's not saying anything

[00:27:22] So now the only place you can go as a viewer is like into his head and you're like, alright

[00:27:27] What is he thinking and he's probably like, alright, I'm gonna die. This is gonna be slow

[00:27:33] This is gonna be terrible, but they don't show us that they sick the dogs on him

[00:27:37] And then they cut away and you're just like alright in my head

[00:27:42] This is terrible and there's a mapping of

[00:27:46] events

[00:27:47] On to like it feels like a through line from history to now to Mad Max world

[00:27:53] In a lot of different ways in this movie and this one he's being dragged around and I think there's historical precedent for that and also

[00:27:59] There's a draw a drawing and quartering scene

[00:28:02] So it just you already know the brutality of this stuff just from being in history class. Yes

[00:28:10] Yes, and what you're describing is something that I do a lot in movies is

[00:28:16] It's actually a term from Ernst Christ called

[00:28:22] Regression in the service of the ego and now the ego is not what we think

[00:28:27] It's not like our pride. It's um, it's a different part of helping us to function and then the way short long story short

[00:28:35] is um, we have to

[00:28:39] Be workers do our responsibility do all the things that we have to do all of our responsibilities

[00:28:44] With the typically regression is seen as bad

[00:28:47] But with this regression in the service of the ego that's essentially a type of disassociation from our

[00:28:54] responsible central selves and we see that a lot when people create art or when they're writing or

[00:29:00] When they're watching movies or books and they are able to immerse themselves into the situation

[00:29:06] As if they are there or they are experiencing it like oh my gosh

[00:29:10] What would what would this be like if I was there and I do that a lot in movies?

[00:29:14] I can't stand it when people talk in movies. So like you're pulling me back out of the regression

[00:29:20] It makes it really real it's a healthy thing it's a healthy thing

[00:29:33] But it it gives our our brains or our egos that

[00:29:37] Are responsible selves a chance to take a break and be a kid

[00:29:42] And sort of enjoy the present moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

[00:29:46] so

[00:29:47] What we watch movies that's why a lot of people don't like violent movies because when we do that

[00:29:53] In a violent movies, they don't they don't like to tolerate that which is probably understandable

[00:29:57] I find it interesting and fascinating and like my heart is racing when jack's being

[00:30:03] twirled around and chased by dogs

[00:30:06] And yeah

[00:30:08] George miller does a great job with that

[00:30:11] Visceral thing where it's like is he gonna push the oh, he is gonna push the limits like i'm thinking in a callback to fury

[00:30:18] road

[00:30:19] they ran over a seven month pregnant woman splendid was

[00:30:23] Flattened with that giant car and then they cut her open to get the baby and the baby was dead

[00:30:30] There was some gory stuff there and morton joe's face is ripped off at the end one of like the iconic moments

[00:30:36] Which I think is just so cool

[00:30:38] He but when we think about those scenes though, they're very quick

[00:30:41] They're he doesn't linger or he makes it very vague and it does leave it to our imagination

[00:30:47] Yeah, which I I appreciate and I do feel like has made it

[00:30:51] More intense like the the drawing scene that you were referring to jason

[00:30:55] The it's like covered in dust which makes sense you don't actually see the person ripped apart you do see the limbs come by

[00:31:03] um, but you can you just

[00:31:05] It's all kind of it's there but it comes from you which just the there's a

[00:31:11] Viscerally disturbing thing to these movies that we were talking about raw edgy

[00:31:16] gross

[00:31:17] And uh, like in in fury road for me, it was making them blood bags where oh, yeah

[00:31:24] You know they were oh my gosh, he just had that a needle stuck in his arm and blood being withdrawn

[00:31:30] Just the idea that mad max was like that for the first like 45 minutes. I was like get that out of him

[00:31:36] so um

[00:31:41] I have a item later. We'll ask questions. But one of them is what what happened with um,

[00:31:46] Demented nipples did they get ripped off or something? Yeah, so

[00:31:50] He had that attached to the spring gross and when he let it go it ripped him off

[00:31:55] But he later mentions he has a high pain threshold. So it seems like he did it because he didn't really care

[00:32:01] Yes, but this this also made me notice the other guy

[00:32:05] Who I just watched fury road and I was like, oh that guy has nipple rings and after

[00:32:10] Uh dementuses get ripped off you see him start caressing his and he's either like viscerally like oh or he's enjoying it

[00:32:20] See now

[00:32:20] I like I like anything. I always say that moves me and whether it's yeah, you know heartfelt or gross and this is gross

[00:32:28] And and i'm okay with some of this but oh my god, and then the maggots cleaning the wounds with maggots

[00:32:34] uh, just the the the character names toe jam smeg scrotus rictus erectus

[00:32:41] And and then I had one more of these just since we're on the topic

[00:32:45] When the organic

[00:32:46] Mechanic says he takes furious's blood and makes blood pudding for dementis and I totally believe that's true

[00:32:53] He did that and then and then I noticed immortant joe wanted

[00:32:57] Him too after that and that's all he knew about his capabilities that he could make blood pudding out of people's blood. Oh, I could use that

[00:33:05] Oh cannibalism

[00:33:08] He stuck out to me the last time I watched fury road

[00:33:11] So when he popped up in this I was like, wait a second

[00:33:14] Isn't that didn't that guy work for and I was like maybe they just look the same and I was like, oh no, that's him

[00:33:19] There's there's his origin story

[00:33:22] Yeah, same thing with uh with uh, rick dis erectus

[00:33:26] where I was like

[00:33:27] I remember you did not realize you were a pedophile, but I remember yeah

[00:33:32] Yeah, i'm not too shocked

[00:33:34] Yeah, I know. That's the thing is it's like yeah, it makes sense

[00:33:38] But it was kind of nice to have one character where you're just like oh he's just like a big dumb guy and it's like

[00:33:43] Oh, no

[00:33:52] What else all right jason, what do you have that's that's the end of mine?

[00:33:56] Well, actually I I apologize. I we should I feel like covering furious's mother a little bit her demise was also

[00:34:04] very brutal

[00:34:05] Hidden away, you couldn't see what was happening. But I think the thing that amplified it is the fact that

[00:34:11] Furiosa is like forced to watch and again no idea what's happening. It seemed very similar to the scene in um

[00:34:18] Brave heart where you have no idea what's happening

[00:34:21] To him. I I like it. I never

[00:34:24] I I didn't even realize this was happening until you guys are saying it right now where they're not showing it

[00:34:30] I wasn't that wasn't on my mind, but it was very impactful and I think sometimes it's a bit of a mercy not to show it

[00:34:36] But also it can make it worse in your mind or it just has more emotion to it. Sometimes I agree. I like it

[00:34:42] i'm, that's the thing that I think is popping for this movie is i'm just like

[00:34:47] I i'm so glad not glad they did. I don't know. I don't know what i'm saying

[00:34:53] I mean, it reminds me of glenn in walking dead, right?

[00:34:56] Yeah, and his eye popping out and they could have done that with every scene and there's something to that I suppose

[00:35:02] But they also lost many viewers and I think if they hadn't done that maybe they wouldn't have lost quite as many

[00:35:07] I was thinking that too. They could this movie did very brutal things like that, but they they did it not art. Yeah artfully

[00:35:14] It worked even worse. Yeah, well that goes into my first point which is artfulness

[00:35:19] Yeah

[00:35:21] and striking images so I think and I

[00:35:24] Appreciated the artfulness more the second time because the first time I was distracted by it being different than fury road

[00:35:30] But like inferior that's full of things that move me and make me feel something one way or another

[00:35:34] The aesthetic is very similar the raw dirty

[00:35:39] everything's

[00:35:40] cobbled together and yet uber stylish and badass

[00:35:44] and uh

[00:35:46] Sometimes on walking dead we'd say things were a bit mad max like especially uh, michonne's clothes. So there's you know a lot

[00:35:53] Oh, that's so accurate

[00:35:56] Or the creators of fallout they they openly say they list mad max as an influence

[00:36:01] Um, yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, and I like this the simple and limited but deeply rich color palette

[00:36:09] Like it's the arid and sparse wasteland

[00:36:12] but it feels lush to me just because of the deep bold colors and even like the explosions are so

[00:36:18] Uh bright red or deep red. I mean orange or red and black thick black smoke, you know

[00:36:24] It's just looks so cool. They're doing a black and white version too. He calls it like tinted chrome. So that'll be out next year

[00:36:30] um

[00:36:31] He always miller always keeps the subject right in the center

[00:36:37] So and that's he said to avoid confusion in the chaos

[00:36:41] And you could always find the subject in the shot, but I think it also gives it a certain power to it

[00:36:46] Like yeah, it goes along with it

[00:36:48] and if you watch the movie

[00:36:50] With that in your mind, you'll notice it

[00:36:52] Everyone's always right in the middle and even dementis's truck only has one seat and it's right in the middle

[00:36:56] And so you see him zooming at you

[00:36:59] Yeah

[00:37:02] What else uh, the sound is is really fantastic

[00:37:05] there's a lot of sustained moody tones that get more and more tense and then they have this like a

[00:37:12] rising speed heartbeat sound

[00:37:14] And then it and drum sometimes just really really good use of sound in this movie and a lot of the same themes as in

[00:37:22] fury road, too

[00:37:24] Uh, they do a lot of zooming like when they first zoomed into australia down into the green place. Yep

[00:37:30] And then um are zooming into people's cars

[00:37:34] So you can see the that was expression. It was a good reminder that this is set in australia, too. Yes

[00:37:40] Yeah, I I was like, oh right, right. It's australia. Yeah, exactly

[00:37:43] Um, there was a what just a couple examples

[00:37:46] There was a close-up on one of those raiders on his motorcycle coming at the camera and then there's a bullet hole through his head

[00:37:54] Because and then the bike flips forward just like it's uh violent and beautiful at the same time, right?

[00:38:01] That's a great tagline for it. Yeah

[00:38:04] Or when her hair fell on that, uh branch and then they sped up the camera showing the growth coming out of it

[00:38:11] And then I just had one more thing. I I don't know if this counts as artfulness, but I think the

[00:38:18] sort of

[00:38:19] the dialogue or lack of dialogue

[00:38:21] He's I think george miller's just really good at dialogue in my opinion and he knows when to leave stuff out

[00:38:28] And yeah, the fact that she doesn't say much

[00:38:31] Uh, I read she had only about 30 lines of dialogue

[00:38:34] She doesn't need it and her her body language and her actions

[00:38:39] Sell it more and the fact that she's silent

[00:38:41] It just makes me love her more because she just doesn't do anything. She doesn't

[00:38:46] Need to do no needless action. She's just fucking solid, you know

[00:38:53] George miller has been known to say like there's a reason this movie doesn't have movies don't have a lot of dialogue

[00:38:58] I remember this when

[00:38:59] Fury road came out and I think he's been speaking about it now too with um, anya taylor joy

[00:39:05] Is that he finds dialogue actually can get in the way of the story progressing and moving forward and flows it

[00:39:11] It can yeah, it can slow down the momentum of it which is

[00:39:17] Interesting because we do pay attention to non-verbals way more than we do to verbals

[00:39:22] So I think that's part of what makes his storytelling so compelling

[00:39:26] It's like you are watching them. You're not getting fed lines. You are in there

[00:39:31] So which is so cool and also like the dialogue that does happen. I think a lot of times just like with people it's not

[00:39:40] Necessarily about what they're saying

[00:39:44] As far as getting information, but just what kinds of things does this asshole say that reveals his character?

[00:39:52] Yes

[00:39:57] And using her sparingly like that too like the first time she says something

[00:40:02] After she's kidnapped. I think it's to jack in the truck and all she says is

[00:40:07] Uh, the thunder sticks and bullets are all loaded and that's it but

[00:40:12] I think as you're saying jason what's kind of being said there is she has a little bit of trust with this guy

[00:40:18] Enough that she's opened up and she's speaking to him. Whereas nobody else has gotten anything out of her

[00:40:24] So I think that also plays into the the lack of dialogue being powerful

[00:40:30] Yeah, because she could give herself away as a woman. I mean we saw that, you know, you know

[00:40:35] Be uh, morton joe's wives because she escaped from that and if she ever got caught

[00:40:41] Guess where you're going

[00:40:44] Like, you know, so it was there was a lot of safety and not speaking and keeping your head down

[00:40:51] I wasn't clear on when

[00:40:53] Because at some point in morton joe must be like, oh wait, you're a girl

[00:40:59] Yeah, but I wasn't any when

[00:41:01] That happens it must have been after she was already driving for him and he's like, oh well I don't care she's gonna

[00:41:09] so

[00:41:10] Linearly how it happened?

[00:41:12] Was he didn't know?

[00:41:15] Until remember how all of them died

[00:41:17] except for um

[00:41:20] Furiosa and imperium jack

[00:41:23] He said I need to rebuild my crew i'm going to start with you

[00:41:26] So he took her on i'm guessing as someone new because then they called her furious and they hadn't called her that

[00:41:32] Oh, so he knew then and yeah

[00:41:34] So he so jack covered for her and says like you're my new crew member

[00:41:39] And now she can have her hair down. She can have her hair out. So I don't think anyone's really paying attention

[00:41:45] Yeah, so he's like a different person

[00:41:48] Yeah, she's on my crew. She's not up for grabs

[00:41:52] So that's how I took it because then

[00:41:55] And I kind of liked that like

[00:41:57] when

[00:41:58] Dementus saw her later on he didn't ever recognize her until i was just gonna say that and

[00:42:04] Also, I can even believe that immortan joe wouldn't be paying too close of attention because to these guys all these people

[00:42:11] Are objects the man and the woman the war boys are all painted up exactly the same

[00:42:15] They're indistinguishable from one another you don't think about them as individuals

[00:42:19] They're narcissistic

[00:42:22] And i'm sure there was some lie told about where furiosa ended up as the as his wife i'm sure nobody was like

[00:42:30] I I bet somebody said she probably died just to like

[00:42:34] Be like don't go looking for her. Don't look into this

[00:42:37] I didn't

[00:42:39] Rictus or maybe scrotus told him of like you better tell him she died because you're the reason she escaped. Yep

[00:42:45] So there's probably why did she escape because I wanted to

[00:42:50] Assault the wife that you were supposed to assault like I mean like none of it ends

[00:42:54] Well for rick, you know if if we want to give rick this a hair of like benefit of the doubt

[00:43:01] It seemed more like he had a thing for hair

[00:43:04] And not necessarily her

[00:43:06] It just might be that that was the hair that was there

[00:43:09] Well, if that were true I would think when he grabbed her hair and she ran away he'd be like

[00:43:29] So i'm gonna go ahead and go through because I have this separated into two parts one is artfulness and striking images

[00:43:35] So i'm going to go through some things that I thought were striking images

[00:43:38] um the mother fighting off the

[00:43:41] Raiders and just by hitting them with her gun, you know when they're all converging on her

[00:43:46] She got like three or four of them and then they all converge like ants on her. That was quite an image

[00:43:51] uh

[00:43:51] The mother tied to the cross but also at the end when you get a close-up on furious's eye and you see

[00:43:57] The mom on the cross reflected in the eye. Yeah, and it was all red and dramatic

[00:44:01] Um

[00:44:02] The drawn and quartered guy with the motorcycles and then later rick. I mean dementis gets served

[00:44:11] Sausage from him. Oh god. Yeah, what did they they called it butt sausage? I think is that what they called it?

[00:44:19] Yeah, he was like red I heard lizard mints lizard mints and human butt sausage

[00:44:24] What I heard yeah, no, no, I think that's because I was like did he just

[00:44:30] The the parasailors with their explosive spears attacking the tanker

[00:44:36] um

[00:44:38] When furious I think these are in order. I don't know when furious is hiking alone and you see mad max up on the ledge

[00:44:44] Looking down

[00:44:47] Right, like that's what we're meant to infer the implication

[00:44:50] Wait, what's the implication?

[00:44:53] Because she collapses. Oh

[00:44:55] We don't know how she gets to the citadel. Oh, yeah

[00:45:00] He's the only one around. Wow. Okay. Yeah, like I mean the most striking was

[00:45:06] Losing her arm and I kept thinking she's gonna lose her arm

[00:45:09] That's another thing like not only do we need to find out but we're afraid of what it's going to be like over and over

[00:45:15] Is this coming and so then when um, you know

[00:45:19] Furiosa and jack foiled dementis's plan to take over the bullet farm and they were

[00:45:23] Dementis was chasing after them and smashed her arm between the vehicles

[00:45:28] and then their car flipped and

[00:45:30] um

[00:45:30] Then they as you guys talked about chain jacked his motorcycle dragged him around and hang her by her arm

[00:45:36] And he's just sitting up dementis on the rig eating snacks

[00:45:41] while the sun sets

[00:45:45] Right exactly

[00:45:51] So then he goes uh enough

[00:45:54] enough and he looks back and then you just see her hand hanging there and it goes dong and

[00:45:59] And then you see immediately her driving her motorcycle one-handed with this look on her face racing away

[00:46:05] And that was just freaking crazy

[00:46:08] yep, then um

[00:46:10] When he is running from her and stops to

[00:46:14] Sleep at the end of mentis

[00:46:16] I skipped a lot there, but i'm just doing striking images and then he wakes up and sees his canteen and tires are cut and she's

[00:46:22] There uh in a shadow up on the sandbank backlit

[00:46:26] And that's looking down on him. Yeah, those are just a few like that's why watching this again

[00:46:32] I'm, like no, there's a lot of great imagery in this movie. I think it's a fantastic, you know compared to a lot of movies

[00:46:38] Not as good as fury road though, but it's good

[00:46:42] I would say especially after you went through that list that there probably are more striking images in this movie than in fury road

[00:46:50] Like the ones I can think of from that is like max on the ridge and like the storm cloud coming in

[00:46:56] But I don't know if I have a ton of others like there's like cool character-y things but the dude the fucking war

[00:47:04] Guitar player with the red jumpsuit and the fire coming out of it

[00:47:20] And and it also it seems silly which it is it's fun like there's a joy to these movies

[00:47:25] But it also like there are like in history

[00:47:29] War drums and things like yeah, you know, so it kind of

[00:47:32] It makes sense. Yeah, but you do kind of wonder like those small things like that are the things where i'm like

[00:47:38] All right. How did they get to that point? Like how did he eventually like bungee up like

[00:47:46] No, I don't want to know but I like thinking about it

[00:47:50] How did he get to that point? It's all logistics

[00:47:54] If it was disney, they would have that prequel. Yeah

[00:47:57] Oh my gosh, I know they'd be like no be a whole series

[00:48:05] Okay, sam your turn

[00:48:08] So I guess for another point I had was

[00:48:13] Dr. Dementis

[00:48:15] As as he is listed because apparently you can have a doctor. Apparently he got some sort of doctor. He likes titles

[00:48:23] Dr. Dementis

[00:48:27] Is

[00:48:35] This is dark thor, um, I mean like for me I I

[00:48:42] The people I saw with hated his character

[00:48:45] and

[00:48:46] They they said like they were down on him about being an actor

[00:48:50] I think chris hemsworth did a great job with what he had

[00:48:53] I thought it was like you were saying jason and randy of like I want to see him play more bad guys because he has

[00:48:59] talent in this area

[00:49:00] And he brought a charm

[00:49:03] A sense of humor that I really appreciated

[00:49:06] From the moment. He was I thought yeah

[00:49:08] From the moment he was on screen. I enjoyed his character

[00:49:13] Because you could tell this actor loved playing this character

[00:49:17] And then apparently there's some stuff behind the scenes of he really

[00:49:21] Championed himself for this role and like really did some deep diving made a backstory

[00:49:26] You can tell he loves it, which made me love it similar to what you were saying jason about i'm like you like if if

[00:49:32] A tv show or movie can make me feel something. I love it. I think it's great

[00:49:37] No, I think he did a fantastic job. I don't think the critiques of him as an actor is really worth it

[00:49:42] Like I think he did a great job

[00:49:45] I i'm taking zooming back and looking on his character. I think where maybe it kind of

[00:49:51] Misses the landing a little bit

[00:49:53] was that

[00:49:55] I think his character needed a darkness to him that i'm not sure was brought out of chris helmsworth as much

[00:50:03] Like i'm thinking heath ledger a la the joker in the dark knight or anthony hopkins and hannibal

[00:50:09] Even jdm as negan

[00:50:12] You have this charming quirky weird person

[00:50:15] And he did horrific things

[00:50:18] I was never afraid of him. I never dreaded him

[00:50:22] I found him wonderful

[00:50:24] And entertaining I was like what's this guy gonna do next?

[00:50:27] But I was never afraid of him and it didn't occur to me until the last third of the movie that he was supposed to be

[00:50:33] Our main antagonist

[00:50:34] And that I was supposed to hate him

[00:50:36] And fear him and dread him and i'm like I don't like immortant joe

[00:50:42] Creeps me out. I know he's played by a different actor this time

[00:50:45] He creeps me out and other actors have and I do think chris helmsworth can do it. I

[00:50:52] Someone needs to have him get rid of all that golden retriever energy he has

[00:50:58] It still comes across

[00:51:02] So I I think

[00:51:03] Maybe not as the main antagonist in the movie. Like maybe he could have been jack or something

[00:51:08] I thought he did a great job. I just I

[00:51:12] I'm, the only part the only thing that I think is because people are calling him wooden and i'm like

[00:51:16] I don't think he was wooden

[00:51:18] I think there was just a level of darkness to him that I needed

[00:51:22] To dread seeing him because he was doing horrific things

[00:51:26] That's one of the notes I have is I didn't find him menacing

[00:51:30] Yeah, and I was trying to yeah trying to figure out exactly why and I think

[00:51:36] um

[00:51:37] We never really see him get his hands dirty himself

[00:51:42] but

[00:51:43] And he does horrible things, but he we don't even see him command people to do those horrible things

[00:51:50] It's more like they're just sort of doing it and we don't ever get a feeling quite for why like these people fear him

[00:51:57] It just seems like he's saying do things and they do them but like I agree there needed to be like a little bit of like

[00:52:06] Like you could joke around with him and poke him and then all of a sudden you don't know

[00:52:10] You've just flipped the switch and he's just like we're not friends anymore or something

[00:52:14] But it always kind of felt like he was a little on the like happy

[00:52:19] Fun side. Yeah. Yeah, I know what you're saying

[00:52:22] Like yeah, like whenever negan was on screen for like the first

[00:52:26] Two seasons he was on my stomach would be in knots and I never read the comics so I didn't know

[00:52:31] but it was like that

[00:52:33] Tension and like keith ledger and in the dark knight

[00:52:38] Continuously makes me uncomfortable

[00:52:40] And it's like I I didn't have and I think he does he's very talented this act like chris hemsworth

[00:52:46] Is incredibly talented and intimidating like he has the stature

[00:52:50] It was yeah, I don't know there was a lot going on with his character and I didn't

[00:52:55] Dread him and neither it seems did the people he was ruling over because yeah, that's that's it. Yeah

[00:53:01] So it's like how are you getting these people to do these horrific things for you?

[00:53:05] Like is it just and it's shown. Yeah, it's shown that he's not like an amazing leader

[00:53:10] It's not like he's giving them so much food and everything. He's shown that he can't quite do that. He said he was

[00:53:18] Yeah, I mean maybe that was it it's just all based off of promises. Yeah. Yeah. See I don't agree with anything you guys are saying

[00:53:26] I wouldn't change a thing

[00:53:28] No, it's totally okay. Yeah

[00:53:30] Uh, I I for one thing I think there's too many already villains like that that it was so refreshing to see

[00:53:38] the way he played it to me and um

[00:53:41] I think there's a lot of people in the real world who do really fucked up things and seem

[00:53:47] They don't seem menacing with their twirling their mustache or whatever. They just seem like dudes, you know

[00:53:53] And and that's what he seemed like to me and I did feel a vague

[00:53:58] Vacantness to him where he was trying to like get sensation in life

[00:54:04] You know

[00:54:04] Like he said to her at the end like to fill up the void and all of this because he had he lost his family

[00:54:10] But he also lost his soul. He lost his empathy and so

[00:54:15] He um seemed like a shell of a person to me where he was trying to go through the motions

[00:54:21] but he also didn't give a shit and he would

[00:54:23] he

[00:54:25] I would be scared to be around a person like that

[00:54:27] I don't feel like you said that menace coming from him

[00:54:30] But I feel the potential for him to do something bad to and I think he's probably demonstrated that

[00:54:36] He we saw him demonstrate it the way he would have people drawn and quartered. I mean that

[00:54:42] Uh, I think you rule by fear in a world like this and

[00:54:46] So they knew what would happen to them if they didn't toe the line, you know

[00:54:51] So I I don't know like looking online. I'm trying to see if there's a judgment

[00:54:56] I only see one article chris hemsworth brilliant turn in mad max prequel

[00:55:00] Furiosa proves he's the most impressive actor to emerge from the mcu, but I don't see any other

[00:55:06] judgments

[00:55:07] I don't see anything negative, but I yeah i've been able to look for

[00:55:13] I because I don't I don't know. I don't think from what I can see. It's not like panned at least not yet

[00:55:20] Yeah, I think he did like he did a good job. He was fun and like

[00:55:25] The character is interesting and i'm not this ding isn't like

[00:55:29] Oh, this movie sucks because of this but I in retrospect that I think there's a story beat that's missing

[00:55:36] Like yes like something where like I don't know he's talking to one of his people and then like

[00:55:42] He's he's just like something about his look changes and that person's like oh shit

[00:55:47] There's that guy we're afraid of and like I think just like something a hint of something like that

[00:55:53] We're a little too goofy. Yeah, or just like I don't know where his power comes from I guess. Yeah

[00:55:59] um and

[00:56:00] It's possible that there's more of a backstory where like yeah, you know when the group was smaller there was 10 of them

[00:56:06] He was just like one day just cut one of their heads off and everybody's like all right

[00:56:10] Don't mess with this guy. I mean that's kind of like like

[00:56:14] I I do hear what you guys are saying

[00:56:16] But I also look at the real world and look at I won't name any but some of these senators

[00:56:22] right

[00:56:23] How did they come off?

[00:56:24] And they have power right and they had people voting for them

[00:56:27] And so it felt kind of like that to me like

[00:56:30] Like I was saying up front why I think this is sort of a feminist movie or maybe just a movie about

[00:56:36] How men can be in the world and i'm not saying all men by any stretch of the imagination

[00:56:40] But a lot where it's like, how does this new nick?

[00:56:44] Get into this position and now he's fucking everything up, but it feels real

[00:56:49] Oh, yeah. Yeah, it feels like we could do a whole other podcast on that

[00:56:53] I do like that that he does end up basically in charge of one of the

[00:56:59] The three settlements and the way he does it is believable and then you can you see and you're like, all right

[00:57:07] You now know how somebody who's screwing it up so badly could be put in charge

[00:57:13] I guess that's the hint that i'm sort of missing confidence. He's going on pure confidence. It's all confidence. Yeah

[00:57:19] And he does have that confidence other people could could do because then we see that even in what was it

[00:57:25] Where was he the bullet factory or something?

[00:57:28] He wasn't leading that very well

[00:57:31] It's confidence and entitlements and brashness. I mean he go as soon as he finds out about the citadel

[00:57:38] He goes right up in there and goes

[00:57:39] Okay, I want you guys to throw your leaders out and i'm going to be your leader now. It's like why why would we trust you?

[00:57:45] Yeah, it's like what are you doing? So people do

[00:57:48] The aussie financial review said

[00:57:52] Part of the film's failure may be attributed to the writing but also to hemsworth's woodenness as an actor

[00:57:58] in time in time

[00:58:01] But um reddit is ripping it apart so don't go on there but time

[00:58:06] Magazine criticized the film as a slog that's working hard to persuade us. We're having a good time

[00:58:13] The the variety says the movie is filled with pretension and a franchise overkill

[00:58:20] I mean, there's there's there's there's stuff out there. Yeah

[00:58:23] And I could see like trying to convince us we're having a good time. I can understand why someone would say that

[00:58:29] I think yeah like for for him

[00:58:31] Like I could even see like he was going like he was going for what I was looking for when he approached him morton joe

[00:58:38] and

[00:58:39] Yeah menacing I think is the word randy where it's like I saw him trying to do it and i'm like

[00:58:47] Which I think that's also

[00:58:50] I do like that when he squares up with a morton joe. You're like no, he's clearly the bad guy here

[00:58:56] Yeah, like he's a man child. I mean that's just

[00:58:59] They're not trying to make him menacing. They're making him. Yeah, that's a good one

[00:59:03] I don't think that's what they're going for. He carries a teddy bear

[00:59:07] Child too, but he doesn't carry a teddy bear around

[00:59:13] Good point if you're gonna do that you have to make me take you seriously

[00:59:18] And I think he did a good job. Like I think he had fun with it, which made me enjoy the character

[00:59:22] I think the other thing that this movie does say about that type of person is that it won't last like his power isn't

[00:59:29] Staying no, like he he had a really good run. Yeah, but

[00:59:34] It's not it's not sustainable in the long run. So yeah, I mean I like that I yeah, yes

[00:59:40] He's he was good when they were nomadic and they had a common goal of hurting other people and he could do that

[00:59:47] But when he established a permanent residence in gas town, well, then you gotta be a leader and that'll fill

[00:59:56] Yeah, you have to know what you're doing you have to make people either respect you or fear you

[01:00:01] And and so it's like

[01:00:03] Let's see how this goes

[01:00:05] And yeah, and he had people going rogue on him like the people. Yeah from what I read on wikipedia because I was confused

[01:00:12] Were used to be with him and went rogue. So I think that's what they were going for right that he wasn't effective

[01:00:19] Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't work

[01:00:22] But maybe that's not maybe you you know, you could I could see

[01:00:25] Questioning that decision why I have an effective an ineffective

[01:00:29] Bad guy, but I really do think it's all a lot of things in this movie reflect real life

[01:00:35] Yeah

[01:00:38] When they said the word pandemic in the opening I was like too soon

[01:00:42] I appreciate you

[01:00:45] And too soon

[01:00:46] and also that they had the female voices were the ones being like

[01:00:49] The land is turning like soil like the sour

[01:00:53] I was like, oh, of course they would be and I wonder if the women seeing that stuff was part

[01:00:58] Of the i'm reaching was part of the community that would form the great mothers. The um, the volvani

[01:01:05] Or volvini I was like because they knew the end was coming. That's why they went and found the green place

[01:01:12] So yeah, I was like, it's interesting. I like it

[01:01:17] Okay, where are we

[01:01:20] Yeah, um, so one of the things that I really enjoyed about this movie is the expanding of the world and like

[01:01:28] not not like

[01:01:33] Let's go with the expanding of the world opening it up

[01:01:35] And like really exploring some of these other places that were hinted at in fury road

[01:01:40] So we get to see the triangle trade that they have going on

[01:01:43] we hear about gas town and bullet town and the other ones and

[01:01:47] They just it

[01:01:49] They were kind of nebulous ideas kind of you're like, oh somebody goes there. Yeah

[01:01:54] so I really like that we go into those and like you you

[01:01:58] You kind of get the understanding of how this trade system's working

[01:02:02] Also, I feel like this movie made me understand why they're driving their trucks across the land

[01:02:08] I was like in the in fury road

[01:02:10] I'm, like there isn't like a better way to do this

[01:02:12] But it's like oh no these things are separate and each one of them has a very specific

[01:02:17] Thing that they produce and in order to survive you need to keep that cycling

[01:02:21] Basically, you have bullets you have gas and you have food and they're switching them around

[01:02:27] Yeah food and water and yeah

[01:02:30] And you'd want to keep them separate in case one of them got taken right? Yeah, which makes sense

[01:02:38] What one thing i'm totally not clear on

[01:02:41] Because I had I thought in

[01:02:44] Fury road that they were all under immortan joe's control, but i'm not sure if that's the case here

[01:02:50] Is it they are and I think until demented took that one over. Yeah, I guess what I assumed was it was all his

[01:02:58] Siblings that were running them. Okay

[01:03:01] That's right the guy with the brother

[01:03:03] Yeah, I think yeah, maybe after this one of them takes gas town back over

[01:03:09] Yeah, like I think I think it was meant to be that

[01:03:13] originally doctor

[01:03:27] One of the first things he does when he makes the whole deal

[01:03:30] To take over as he goes and I also want such and such a title and he like blurts out. Yeah

[01:03:39] Maybe he's not actually a doctor. He just wanted it

[01:03:42] Is that he was meant to be like a general at first he wanted to take over

[01:03:47] Uh the citadel, but then he's like, well, I guess this isn't this isn't gonna work fine

[01:03:50] Then I want to be in charge of one of your places. So i'll be like your general or your mayor or something

[01:03:57] And but then he wants it all

[01:04:00] Yeah, yeah, he's like this isn't going well in gas town. I want all of it now

[01:04:05] Yeah, clearly I should be allowed to fail up

[01:04:10] One of the other things that like got a little expanded on for me and this is sort of the motivation of the war boys

[01:04:17] um

[01:04:18] In the last movie and even kind of the beginning of this they're clearly like not top of the totem pole, but they're so like

[01:04:25] gung-ho about the beliefs and seeing the truck go into

[01:04:31] I guess town I think no bullet town

[01:04:34] And you see all of the people coming out and cheering and acting like they're heroes like arriving

[01:04:39] I can understand why the war boys are like no we're like we are a part of something

[01:04:45] We're doing something amazing and like people love us where we go

[01:04:48] and you can see how that would help them like help bolster them to become these like

[01:04:53] insane zealots

[01:04:55] Zealots. Yeah, the morton joe and like see him as being like if they're getting that much accolade like

[01:05:02] Clearly a morton joe has something even greater and like they just want to be a part of that

[01:05:06] And I that that little bit there was just like oh man. Yeah, I could see where that would

[01:05:13] really drive you in this type of world where

[01:05:16] There's nothing but people view you as like

[01:05:19] An amazing hero just for getting a truck to them like well, I mean a truck of food

[01:05:25] Yeah, I also I also cheer people

[01:05:28] yeah, and I was thinking like yeah the problem with like the morton joe and

[01:05:33] Dementors is they just use people to be a part of their system where everyone has a certain purpose

[01:05:39] And that's all that they that the society really cares about and i'm like it's kind of like any society

[01:05:45] Right

[01:05:51] And the people down below sometimes are like i'm not paying attention to what's up there

[01:05:56] I'm carving out my own thing down here and I feel like that's what they're doing

[01:06:01] Yeah, that one person it's better down here. It's like

[01:06:05] underground

[01:06:07] Where you're away from all this yeah madrid hugs and

[01:06:12] Oh my gosh, oh yeah

[01:06:15] No, it was it was crazy and like their lives are so short

[01:06:18] I mean that's something I think that always I forget when i'm watching the movie where it's like, oh they they all live short brutal lives

[01:06:25] Like so they might as well go out and like or you can understand the mindset of being like my death should be meaningful

[01:06:33] Yeah, yeah, like they don't expect to live a long time, especially the war boys who are just have so many mutations to them

[01:06:40] So I think controlling the food and water like immortant joe

[01:06:44] Was doing is really a way to hold that power because wow are people going to be at the primitive level

[01:06:51] If you're like I give you I bring you food water's the most like oh, yeah

[01:06:55] And water. Yeah, yeah and gas and both well, so that leaves in are you good randy?

[01:07:00] Yeah that point so that kind of leaves into my next point which is possessive patriarchy

[01:07:05] Which I think

[01:07:07] I would say my water

[01:07:11] No, no, it's gonna be good I promise

[01:07:15] I mean, this is a movie full of men in power using that power unjustly

[01:07:20] And a woman who ends up fighting back and taking over and um

[01:07:25] the two main leaders dementis and immortan joe

[01:07:28] Are I you know warlords and I think cult leaders to an extent or maybe all warlords are cult leaders and they?

[01:07:36] Rule by fear and force of personality and when you're in a lawless place like this

[01:07:41] Then people gravitate to people who seem strong and can maybe provide security

[01:07:47] And in in a civilized society authority resides in the law, which is supposed to be

[01:07:53] Like the manifestation of our ideals and principles, but without the protection of the law

[01:07:57] Then we look to other kinds of security and authority and even in civilized society

[01:08:01] We can see people trying to delegitimize institutions and proclaim themselves

[01:08:06] Hired and everybody else is bad, you know, it's very cool. Like so anyway, so like you said immortan joe

[01:08:12] I don't want to dwell on that too much

[01:08:15] I think everyone knows who in america you're talking about

[01:08:20] So

[01:08:28] So immortan joe he controls the water that's the most precious thing and it gives him power but

[01:08:33] You have to be able to take advantage of that

[01:08:35] He has a power structure built up around protecting it and doling it out sparingly

[01:08:39] he has these beefy sons and relatives as his

[01:08:43] Security but I think even more important he's somehow created this myth around himself as

[01:08:49] this special like almost god-like figure and

[01:08:53] Also this whole vahala thing that if you follow him and fight and even die for him that glory awaits for them in the afterlife

[01:09:01] And you know, I mean, I I hope this doesn't offend anybody but it brings to mind islamic extremist

[01:09:08] terrorists, you know like they

[01:09:10] Are any extremists any but that's the thing it you're right. It's not just that it's any extremist of and it's gone back in history

[01:09:18] of all different religions in particular where you're

[01:09:23] You think that if you die for the cause that you will be happy in the afterlife?

[01:09:29] And so then you are like, okay with this is just all just temporary

[01:09:34] My real reward awaits me after I um die gloriously for this cult figure, you know

[01:09:40] um, so so he he's got that all set up that means he has this security force and power entrenched and

[01:09:49] Where I mean he kind of has a good thing going with you need to have some kind of

[01:09:54] Security around a situation like this where you have this resource this water. Yeah to some organization around it

[01:10:01] So but he used people as objects. He used these war boys

[01:10:04] He he had one guy kill himself just to prove how loyal they were to him

[01:10:09] To make a point yeah women as wives quote-unquote wives very much like negan

[01:10:18] Other women to provide milk men as workers expendable kamikaze soldiers and people are a resource

[01:10:25] I

[01:10:28] Took that

[01:10:31] There's so many similarities

[01:10:33] And and dementors too. I mean he he kills furious's mother and keeps her for his own talking about possessive patriarchy

[01:10:41] Using your blood as food using his own people as human shields more than once

[01:10:46] um as soon as he finds out about the citadel he goes in and threatens and

[01:10:51] Entitled and arrogant and bold and careless and full of shits

[01:10:53] I mean i've already talked through some of this stuff

[01:10:55] but then trying to convince furiosa that what he did to her killed her mother and her

[01:11:00] Mentor was a favor to make her tougher and stronger, you know, right?

[01:11:06] And when she went to cut the chains holding his teddy bear to him, I think this was um intentional

[01:11:11] But I thought she was gonna cut his dick off

[01:11:13] Yeah

[01:11:21] Yeah, yeah, well that could be the difference between the two characters male and female characters of like she's like I don't have to

[01:11:29] resort to that kind of violence

[01:11:31] right

[01:11:32] Even like how she dispatched of him was more about life and and creating life and

[01:11:40] Keeping life going. She is definitely absolutely violence going for the violence

[01:11:46] um

[01:11:47] it is interesting because like part of the patriarchy is

[01:11:50] Men suffer within it too. And we see that even within the mad max films of no one's safe from this oppressiveness

[01:11:57] and

[01:11:58] yeah, everyone suffers from it and it is about destruction because it's it's

[01:12:02] It's like that saying of like it's not pie

[01:12:04] You don't get more than the other and we see this with the the land of the mothers

[01:12:10] the

[01:12:11] volvini

[01:12:12] That are there. There's a land of abundance

[01:12:15] It's not you know, let's let's scrap and they didn't have like a whole island they had a patch

[01:12:22] And so, you know, like it's more about sharing and collaboration

[01:12:26] versus

[01:12:28] um competition

[01:12:30] Which is we've seen this in studies

[01:12:32] I mean, we'll see in the mad man the furiosa sequel when we see furiosa ruling the citadel with an iron fist

[01:12:41] With a metal

[01:12:45] Oh, no, she lost it

[01:12:48] Better job

[01:12:51] We'll see

[01:12:52] so

[01:12:53] Yeah, I I I think the implication but we we don't know for sure but I would assume I would assume

[01:12:59] But uh, and it will be interesting to see that but I I just think um, and sam

[01:13:04] even in particular i'd love to get your reaction to what i'm about to say, but I think movies like this where

[01:13:09] this woman rises up and

[01:13:12] Takes over, you know from these men who are doing these horrible things

[01:13:16] are

[01:13:17] kind of a reaction in some ways to the

[01:13:20] Patriarchy that we've been talking about in recent episodes on the walking on the podcast

[01:13:25] And I think it can be cathartic for women to see for everyone to see something like this

[01:13:30] and I also think I always think about like will and grace how

[01:13:35] um, they helped normalize

[01:13:37] homosexuality and

[01:13:39] and make people think

[01:13:41] Oh, yeah, this is just something that people do and I think that was probably

[01:13:46] One step along the way to making it legal marriage, you know gay marriage legal and I just think showing

[01:13:52] Something things like this powerful women represented

[01:13:56] on screen can help. Um

[01:13:59] Just get it in our heads that

[01:14:02] Women are powerful too. I don't know and be good for that

[01:14:05] Yeah, yeah, I mean I I think well well written women like I think of poor black widow in the marvel movies

[01:14:15] I mean like because furiosa isn't sexualized

[01:14:18] She just is

[01:14:19] I mean, I wasn't even too thrilled that she and jack seemed to have some sort of romance

[01:14:23] I'm, like why do they need to have romance?

[01:14:25] I'm not usually a fan of romances in action movies or sci-fi. It's fine if it's done really well

[01:14:31] Well, yeah, it's just not usually necessary it's just like okay can they have identities I was surprised they went there

[01:14:38] Yeah, I mean it

[01:14:42] I knew that they cared for each other

[01:14:46] But I did like that they had him in there because he was such a good solid badass

[01:14:53] man, you know and so

[01:14:55] Then it felt balanced to me, you know

[01:14:58] I'm glad there's an example there

[01:15:00] Of a good guy and and that even she was it was a mentor to her

[01:15:04] He helped her and she learned from him and respected him and everything. Yeah, they didn't even need to have that the romance part

[01:15:10] Yeah, I mean they didn't deep dive into it too, which I appreciate I really liked his character, too

[01:15:15] I like the way that he was written too

[01:15:18] yeah, and so similar to like will and grace I think we're getting a lot of like

[01:15:23] Equality 101 like I loved the barbie movie. I just saw it again on my cousin's weekend

[01:15:31] It's interesting the people the the barbie movie, oh a cousin's weekend. Oh, yeah

[01:15:38] And um, it's so

[01:15:40] Yeah, it's it's a good movie

[01:15:42] and it's interesting with other psychologists and therapists and other people who have

[01:15:47] Living this work doing this work. They're like, oh I expected more. It's like I know

[01:15:52] This is where our society's at

[01:15:55] Like and so it's it's kind of a rough thing and that movie did what I think furiosa does to a degree

[01:16:01] Which is switching it like what would it be like if you were in the other role?

[01:16:06] And I I always forget about it till I watch movies that are done with the quote-unquote female gaze

[01:16:13] and I never

[01:16:14] Realized what that was until I watched the um, the tv series the power

[01:16:20] And I was like that is a big one

[01:16:22] I loved it

[01:16:24] and I was like

[01:16:25] And that even the idea of that because I never watched it. I should watch it. It scares me so good, but it's good

[01:16:34] We have some work to do

[01:16:37] Not not not because I think that well from what I heard and I guess I shouldn't talk too much about it because I haven't

[01:16:43] Seen it but that there's a nuanced look, you know, not everyone handles. Yeah power

[01:16:47] Well, I think that's good, you know because people are different

[01:16:50] I and to be fair like I think when like I when I

[01:16:55] Recommend films and tv shows like that to like my guy friends and everything or like the guy i'm dating

[01:17:01] They're like, I don't want to know about that. It's like that's a privilege you have I live this

[01:17:06] So like like at least you the least you can do is be uncomfortable for a few hours

[01:17:11] Oh, yeah, and so I think that's why absolutely women and non-binary individuals experiencing it are like this is so cool

[01:17:20] Because yeah, there are definitely people who are gonna take

[01:17:23] Take advantage of it and then it's so interesting to see like the other side of it

[01:17:29] I kind of compare it to like when I was watching get out

[01:17:31] of like

[01:17:33] Makes me so uncomfortable as a white person like watching this and like like that end scene when the police

[01:17:40] thing pulls up and you're like

[01:17:43] Like I mean just that visceral reaction

[01:17:45] But yeah, I I think we're trending in the right direction for it

[01:17:49] And then when I watched the shout out to the power and podcast we covered it. They did such a great job

[01:17:54] and it was um

[01:17:56] I I remember like talking about it with my friends who were watching and I was like, this is so great

[01:18:01] I love these episodes and not a lot happens

[01:18:03] Action wise and i'm an action person and i'm like, oh it's because it's from the female gaze house of the dragon

[01:18:09] Also female gaze and people love it everyone loves it and not to say like that's the only film I want there is nuance

[01:18:18] George miller actually does a really good job and it is about centering characters

[01:18:22] It is about seeing that like we don't see

[01:18:25] A lot of nudity in his films male female non-binary

[01:18:29] So it is about people and humanity. But yeah, it's it's something that having grown up

[01:18:35] With action movies it is an interesting thing for me to start seeing it done differently and I really like it

[01:18:41] Like I want little kids to be like, I want to be furiosa

[01:18:45] Like I want to see little boys dressing up as furiosa for halloween

[01:18:51] She's amazing

[01:18:54] All right, sam got any more

[01:18:56] So since i've been like ragging on a movie that actually I think is really good. It's um, just it's just it's just different

[01:19:04] Um, I have actually a positive point

[01:19:07] about the movie

[01:19:08] in that the creativity of

[01:19:11] Making it a story

[01:19:13] like

[01:19:14] It took me a while because I was thinking about it and I read through the wikipedia thing. I was like

[01:19:19] Oh my goodness

[01:19:20] this is so different from fury road and that

[01:19:22] The first man like the quote like it actually sunk in when I watched fury road again

[01:19:27] And that quote is at the very end of it

[01:19:29] I don't remember it but something about those who wander into the deserts to find their true selves by the first person or the first man

[01:19:36] It's like

[01:19:37] That's that's the guy they call him a a word burger guy. The guy who had tattoos of the world. Oh, yeah

[01:19:44] He's telling us this story of fury. Yeah history, man

[01:19:48] Yep. Yep, because like as I was like wait what like and then I was looking up and yeah

[01:19:54] Because remember in the beginning he speaks to us

[01:19:57] and he says like

[01:19:58] I like people who similar to that quote from from fury road

[01:20:03] People who go into the desert to find out who they are and he's like breaking the fourth wall when he looks at you

[01:20:08] It shook me that he was looking directly into the lens

[01:20:11] And then there's chapters. There's five chapters in there. He's telling us furious his origin story and we

[01:20:18] Sparingly hear his narrative throughout the movie

[01:20:22] And then at the end is when he says but I know what really happened

[01:20:26] And just like a true story like a postal apocalyptic fairy tale

[01:20:31] There's debate on how it ended. There's different versions

[01:20:36] and I just thought that was so fascinating and creative and clever I

[01:20:42] Wouldn't have thought

[01:20:43] That this was the way I wanted to see a mad max movie and I really loved that creature

[01:20:49] I gotta say before I knew that those those little chapters were annoying the fuck out of me

[01:20:54] I was like stop it like stop like stop like I don't know what these titles mean. Stop it. I haven't watched the scenes yet

[01:21:01] and I couldn't stand them and then

[01:21:04] Afterwards finding out about it. I was like, oh

[01:21:07] I like because think about it. They they don't have the internet. They don't have tvs

[01:21:11] They go back to ancient times and all you have are is the history man and his word of mouth legends

[01:21:18] So he's gonna make furious of this big legend

[01:21:21] Also, maybe perhaps why we don't hear we don't see the goriness

[01:21:26] Because of the story

[01:21:27] Unless you're reading like stephen king where he's like, they were didapied

[01:21:34] They generally don't go into too much detail it's left to your imagination

[01:21:39] I was like, oh, that's what a story would do

[01:21:42] now imagining when it was the you know,

[01:21:45] Stories were passed along orally and there probably were some stephen king types and some

[01:21:53] Steve to tell you the story

[01:21:56] Don't go to that guy to hear the story he gets really into the details

[01:22:01] We don't ask him anything. I mean

[01:22:06] The urban legend the gory stuff, yeah, but like even then like the hook for the different versions

[01:22:12] and they're like

[01:22:13] The person was he was a serial killer and he escaped from like you don't hear what he was a serial killer for like

[01:22:20] Those details like and so I just I really liked that play with the audience

[01:22:27] Like oh, that's why this is a story that he's it's one of the most horrific bedtime stories. You could ever tell children

[01:22:36] Kind of a folk tale, you know feel

[01:22:39] Mythic and it fits for me for a lot of reasons because

[01:22:44] a lot of it seems larger than life and it is a story of

[01:22:48] how

[01:22:50] You know the story fully told how this woman becomes a leader and so it's a big story that would have

[01:22:56] stories told about her and also

[01:22:59] I think this sort of folk tale hazy people telling the story different ways kind of thing squares with the

[01:23:05] nonsensical timeline of the man backs movies

[01:23:07] Because you guys didn't see the first ones but the opening of this says it's 45 years since the collapse and I think

[01:23:15] I don't know exactly what the collapse is referring to

[01:23:18] But i'm pretty sure that didn't even happen fully until after the first mad max movie

[01:23:22] And in that mel gibson was like 22 years old. So that would put him at 70 years old in fury road, you know

[01:23:31] So it's sort of and george miller is usually like don't worry about all that stuff

[01:23:36] It's just stories and he doesn't put too much into the timeline continuity

[01:23:41] But this whole like folk tale thing helps it feel more like a folk tale, you know

[01:23:46] Yeah, and sort of nestles her into this world too where like a morton joe's probably got similar stories going back

[01:23:54] Oh, yeah that like they're probably like oh, yeah

[01:23:57] Did you know a morton joe also has a guy up there with a tree growing out of his crotch? Yeah

[01:24:04] It's just what happens to these people even the green place feels mythic to me

[01:24:08] Like would it really be possible to have a whole wasteland nuclear irradiated desert with one patch of green?

[01:24:15] or um a seed that lasts

[01:24:17] For 15 years and then can be planted and grow and grow out of a man who stays alive

[01:24:22] Like all of this sounds like tall tales to me

[01:24:25] And and it would be like what you would need to get through the day, right I mean when they call them

[01:24:31] They called the first

[01:24:37] Is like the the war boys they call them half-lives

[01:24:40] Because of they're all irradiated. They they die soon

[01:24:44] Like they they don't live very long

[01:24:46] So it's like you do have this brutal short life in in the in this world

[01:24:51] And you don't get to like how am I gonna retire like you had a short but brutal life

[01:24:57] So you would need stories that were fantastical like this. I don't know if that's a word

[01:25:02] To bring hope and to make people want to bring the rig up like you have to like

[01:25:08] Spark hope and to a degree we we all have our stories

[01:25:13] Of what our life means it's not told in this folktale form

[01:25:17] But we all have our own story about what we're doing here and why and what we're aiming for you

[01:25:23] You guys don't have narrators. I've got a guy

[01:25:38] What does the soundtrack play what's the good it's just war drums and guitar

[01:25:43] all the time

[01:25:45] Just at the grocery store

[01:25:49] And then take on me

[01:25:55] The part that got me was when the narrator started talking about there will always be war and he mentions the opium war 100 year war

[01:26:01] North against south and he mentioned like we were saying before how the opening part connects it to

[01:26:07] Now it's the earth has soured and then it's like the gas wars

[01:26:11] So you go from the wars that we know to the mad max

[01:26:15] Type wars and it just makes us feel like we're on this timeline and we're headed for the wasteland

[01:26:25] And the wars I mean even with like the ukraine and and what's going on in gaza right now

[01:26:30] He's saying there will always be wars and it's like yeah

[01:26:32] I thought like I remember in the 90s when I thought war was done and I was you were so naive

[01:26:38] Yeah, I mean

[01:26:40] Fallout I like shout out for the the fall podcast. I did that too

[01:26:45] Yeah, it's not a great thing that so many of us so many of the countries have a weapon

[01:26:51] Like the nuclear warheads and and we're not using them

[01:26:56] Because other people have them and they will also fire and that will eradicate this planet and create mad max

[01:27:03] So even the most bonkers dictators out there

[01:27:07] Are not going to use this knock on wood because they know it kills them, too

[01:27:12] It's like well if I do this, it's a complete end game. I die, too

[01:27:16] So like what's the point but that's what happens in mad max

[01:27:20] From what I saw is the nuclear war was one of them. Yeah

[01:27:24] Irradiated everything because yeah

[01:27:26] But you get cool outfits

[01:27:28] Yeah

[01:27:30] I like the fact that all three of us came dressed in our like leather clad outfits

[01:27:36] I mean, yeah

[01:27:38] Yep, I know, you know, I did I you know, I was wearing the skull of the person I killed coming into the building today

[01:27:49] I know right. I have some tips like you can do that

[01:27:52] which is

[01:27:53] It's so cool that they do that. I heard that like george miller was

[01:27:58] One of his requirements for the costume designer was that they had to be scavenged

[01:28:03] For for their costumes which I thought was so cool

[01:28:06] I'm, like that's why they look like that. Like they couldn't just be made for the film you had to

[01:28:11] Grab things from trash and put it together or something. I'm sure it was more hygienic also

[01:28:16] Interesting take that even in the nuclear wasteland art doesn't die

[01:28:20] Like all of these people are terrible people, but they're still taking time to do like crafts

[01:28:25] I want my motorcycle to look real cool

[01:28:28] Yeah, I mean we love all this post-apocalyptic stuff but man max has got to be

[01:28:34] Maybe the most stylish, you know, yeah, I love it

[01:28:38] It's so it's so fun. Like that's like part of like what kind of takes you out of it

[01:28:42] I mean because hey what else is there to do in your short life in an eradicated?

[01:28:47] Irradiated landscape than to go back to your childhood hobbies

[01:28:51] Crafts making painting killing

[01:28:54] I

[01:28:56] Think the ending is

[01:28:59] kind of like

[01:29:01] It does make you question everything about the story the way sam has been saying because it's being told as a story

[01:29:07] And then you get this little bit at the end the sequence of like how she actually

[01:29:14] Might have killed him and at that point you also start to question like

[01:29:19] Do we have a reliable narrator here? How much of any of this is true? Yeah

[01:29:25] Do you guys have one of those deaths that you're like? Yeah, I think that's what happened

[01:29:31] No

[01:29:33] No, I I know which one I want to have happen because I like how it fits narratively

[01:29:39] Yeah

[01:29:40] I feel like it's not gonna be the same among the three of us. Yeah what we can actually happen

[01:29:46] Yeah, what do you what do you want what we wanted? I think well, yeah what I want I think him being dragged

[01:29:52] Probably is what I want

[01:29:54] her

[01:29:56] Not a bad death that eye for an eye there and yeah

[01:30:03] Yeah, I I mean

[01:30:06] This is a revenge movie and typically I don't like dwelling on revenge I just don't I know I just don't

[01:30:14] because

[01:30:15] I wanna

[01:30:17] There's so much to be angry about

[01:30:19] And if you focus on it, you just be angry all the time on the other hand this fucking guy killed her mother

[01:30:26] and her lover and kidnapped her from her life and

[01:30:29] He ruined her and I so I got into it and kill bill's another one that I really liked

[01:30:35] Maybe it has to be stylish. I don't know

[01:30:37] Maybe I like it better when the revenge is just really dessert because I don't like john wick

[01:30:41] I can't handle the john wick movies. Yeah, I know everybody loves those innocent people

[01:30:45] Yeah, actually so I don't know someone someone kills my cat you better believe

[01:30:53] Forget it

[01:30:57] Just that one guy not the entire building he's in but so

[01:31:03] I would

[01:31:05] I think I can I mean i'm not gonna say

[01:31:08] He doesn't deserve to suffer

[01:31:09] But I would prefer that he just she just get him get it over with quick and shoot him in the head

[01:31:15] That's what I think happened if we are like questioning

[01:31:19] Which story's true? I think she just shot him and he tried to say

[01:31:24] If you do this, you're gonna be like me and I don't buy that. I think maybe

[01:31:30] She might be a little baby step in that direction

[01:31:33] but for the most part no because she's not gonna turn around and just be soulless and cruel and

[01:31:40] Sadistic like him when people don't deserve it only when they do. Yeah

[01:31:45] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah his that was him pleading and trying anything he could I also think that death scene went on for a little too long

[01:31:52] Like it was great

[01:31:54] And then it just kept going and I was like, okay

[01:31:58] Someone make it. I love that. I love the whole sequence where she was going after him, right?

[01:32:03] She got that badass muscle car and and then they he saw and we just

[01:32:10] Skipped over by the way that there was a big war like a 40-day war

[01:32:14] They kind of skipped over in the movie too

[01:32:18] Which was fine for me, I was like, you know, we're already at the 2 hour and 15 minute mark. I'm good

[01:32:25] I got a lot of action to fill me up

[01:32:27] Yeah, exactly

[01:32:28] So his forces were winnowed down but then the scene where she sees them go different directions

[01:32:33] and she uh doesn't know which way to go and she

[01:32:37] Rams one of them off into that sand pit that looked like it was him

[01:32:41] but it was decoy then she's aiming to shoot another one and the marauders come and um,

[01:32:46] I think she did shoot him and then she sees through the scope that it's not him and right then she knew well

[01:32:50] It's got to be the third one

[01:32:51] Just the way the pacing worked with that and then you see him riding away, but then the way that he

[01:32:58] Wakes up so I guess she'd been chasing him long enough that he was able to go to sleep

[01:33:01] And sees that his canteen has been cut and it's tire

[01:33:04] And so she went down there and fucked with him and then went away from him while he was asleep

[01:33:09] And so the rest of this is just her toying with him and she's completely in control

[01:33:14] To the point where she stands close enough that her leg knife is right in reach and he reaches out and it's cut off

[01:33:20] I'm, just like oh, that was so great

[01:33:24] She's like two can play this game

[01:33:27] It's not like giving him a bit of hope over and over again and toying with him because she she like would she could have just

[01:33:33] Shot him, but she was playing with him like a cat with its prey in the car

[01:33:36] He's he's actually chasing after her and she's backing up and just yep

[01:33:40] You know like I was wondering if that was

[01:33:43] Like that form of torture where he chases after the car and she backs up and then she would just chase him forever

[01:33:49] Like this forever back and forth where he like could not get to her

[01:33:55] So I

[01:33:56] I liked

[01:33:58] the one that the history guy

[01:34:01] said

[01:34:02] He's like this is actually up and i'm like this reeks of well I was there

[01:34:08] Now the reason I like the outcome that yes, she was she was fucking with him and then she took him back

[01:34:16] to the citadel where she planted the seed that her mom gave her because

[01:34:23] To to start a new green place

[01:34:26] I'm, I like that because it does so furiosa planted her own green place by using

[01:34:32] Dementis's body to grow what would become a tropical paradise of abundance in the citadel

[01:34:39] So she's taking

[01:34:40] a part of her mom

[01:34:42] And putting it into her killer and making him suffer like he was still alive when that tree was growing out

[01:34:47] I don't know how that works that whole eternal suffering thing. I just can't it's

[01:34:53] It's like

[01:34:54] I I suspended disbelief when people could live in an eradicated wasteland. I'm like, no, no

[01:35:00] I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm just saying you just don't like it

[01:35:05] I think but also that doesn't work because he his whole thing was like he has a super high pain threshold. He seems to like it

[01:35:13] too so

[01:35:17] Yeah

[01:35:19] But I like that she used him to create more life in a place that was barren

[01:35:24] and

[01:35:25] She you because she did that

[01:35:28] She fulfilled her promise to her mom that she made in this movie

[01:35:32] Of I I promise i'll go back to the green place. She did at the end of fury road. I got spoilers

[01:35:38] Where she went back it was where she planted it to begin with with the seed that her mom gave her

[01:35:43] So like I like this movie how it ties that in

[01:35:46] Yeah, even like I mean her mom was with her so many steps of the way of this movie

[01:35:50] Not just how teaching her how to fight and how to survive

[01:35:53] But like her going into the sandstorm when dementis was in there

[01:35:58] Her mom used the sandstorm to get away from them in the beginning. She was using her mom's tricks

[01:36:02] That's why she could navigate a sandstorm

[01:36:05] That's what they've done before and it's also why she uses it in fury road to get away from the bad guys

[01:36:10] She knows how to navigate a sandstorm

[01:36:13] So it's like this is more of like your death is going to be a death but you're going to serve a purpose

[01:36:19] And you're going to serve my purpose

[01:36:22] And even on a more metaphorical level, it's like growth from adversity, you know

[01:36:27] It's bad and turning it into a positive

[01:36:29] Yeah, it's like it's my purpose not yours like a quick death is like

[01:36:34] It's you know, like I don't want to see people being tortured a quick death was what he wanted

[01:36:39] She's like no you're gonna you're gonna die she tortured my mom and my lover and all this stuff

[01:36:44] But you're gonna do it my way

[01:36:46] And you see that from you we're gonna be able to grow things

[01:36:49] the recent movie with um, uh who played gwen stacey in the spider-man emma, uh

[01:36:57] Dallas, no, no, no, not that spider-man movie though. Oh, oh, um, yes, um big famous emma stone

[01:37:04] Yeah the recent one with her poor things I don't know you well enough to know if you would like it but I thought

[01:37:12] Great, and it's i've heard

[01:37:15] It's uh, it's an empowered woman

[01:37:19] But there is also some heavy cruelty in it and it's I felt the same about that as about this where i'm all for

[01:37:27] I love watching the empowerment part, but the like

[01:37:30] Really over the top cruelty i'm like, oh god, I don't like go there. I want I want you to watch that i'm so curious

[01:37:41] It's technically a horror movie it's just like yeah, like like people who know me like friends and family. Yeah, okay

[01:37:47] and I was like

[01:37:48] but I mean, I I I don't know like

[01:37:52] it's

[01:37:53] I I give it a shot because I i'm not really crazy about her as an actress

[01:37:57] Nothing against emma stone and she's just not one of my favorite things i've seen her as far as her performance

[01:38:03] I don't know. You might not like it

[01:38:08] When people say it's like one of their favorites i'm like no i'm interested

[01:38:11] So i'll just like give give give that it's very odd. Um, yeah

[01:38:15] Maybe that's why they're like I won't like it. I don't know. Well, we'll see i'll give it a shot and i'll let you know

[01:38:21] Don't hate me if you don't like it

[01:38:24] I'll make it a choice. I'll make it a choice

[01:38:26] It's definitely a female gaze movie

[01:38:30] very cool

[01:38:32] So

[01:38:33] What else do you guys anything before we wrap that you want to make sure we talk about and not leave out?

[01:38:41] I think I only had a couple of small notes and it's because this is on a

[01:38:47] walking dead podcast

[01:38:49] There were a couple things in this that made me think about the walking dead one being

[01:38:54] The one guy's eye missing eye makeup

[01:38:58] Was really good and I kept thinking like oh, I wish carl's eye makeup had looked kind of like this

[01:39:06] um

[01:39:07] and then

[01:39:09] Dementors says to furiosa at some point. We are the already dead and I was just expecting like

[01:39:16] We are the walking dead

[01:39:20] Same thing

[01:39:23] Couple little walking dead notes

[01:39:25] And it's just like well, I probably I don't know. I'll go ahead and say the villain in um

[01:39:32] the ones who live

[01:39:33] Saying we're like them pointing at the zombies, you know

[01:39:37] Yeah

[01:39:38] Yeah, I didn't pick up on that. That's awesome

[01:39:41] I I just had some some quick really quick ones. Um, the stunts were insane and amazing

[01:39:47] Yeah, which I thought they did such a great job on it and I heard that they were also really it was really safe on set

[01:39:55] Like people were saying like it shouldn't have been as safe as it was

[01:39:58] I was like looking at this film like I got a little nervous watching it

[01:40:02] and that's the

[01:40:04] Like I give that to the director the producers everyone who made sure that it was a safe set

[01:40:09] Unfortunately, we've all heard what happened on the set of rust

[01:40:12] When that doesn't happen and other stunt people who have sadly lost their lives in in the industry walking dead there was one

[01:40:19] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's you know, these amazing stunts are fantastic

[01:40:24] And I never want someone to die for a stunt in a movie just me personally of like it's not worth someone's life

[01:40:30] And so they were able to do such incredible stuff and everyone was like it was such a safe set

[01:40:37] So i'm like this is like the gold standard and that's not easy to hold for

[01:40:41] And I would imagine so I just wanted to give them a shout out for that. Like I thought that was awesome

[01:40:46] the

[01:40:48] Vuvolini general in in the beginning elsa pataki chris hemsworth's wife

[01:40:55] Oh

[01:40:56] Yeah, the one that mary jo

[01:40:59] What I think mary beau mary jo with mary the furious his mom was riding on the horseback with the blonde. Oh, gotcha

[01:41:06] That's she she was the general and

[01:41:09] She was the one who was like there can be no witnesses or something. Yeah

[01:41:13] also

[01:41:14] In the quartering scene later on in the movie

[01:41:17] She's the female biker that that gets on to be on one of the motorcycles with the scarred up face. You can really recognize her

[01:41:24] I was like, oh my gosh, that's amazing

[01:41:26] so when he says like let's like he's directing his wife essentially in that scene and then

[01:41:31] The little shout out to thor because of course he's wearing a cape he has long hair a beard he's quirky and

[01:41:39] He's chris hemsworth. So of course he looks like that where where they said, um,

[01:41:45] the the war boy was like i'm gonna go to valhalla and he's like what's valhalla i'm like

[01:41:54] I did wonder

[01:41:56] How he got so muscular in a nuclear wasteland?

[01:42:01] We never see him working out. So I guess he's eating the man meat

[01:42:08] I guess and then the last thing I thought was just super cute was

[01:42:13] do you remember the um

[01:42:15] I meant to look up the appropriate term to call him the little person that was in

[01:42:21] In in the back of the war rig that jack was driving when it's do the spinning thing that I think you call it

[01:42:27] A mommy knocker or something. Yeah

[01:42:30] Yes, I have so many questions I was like, why is it a mommy

[01:42:33] But I i'm like i'm so curious. I'm sure I do not want to know the answer. Um,

[01:42:42] So

[01:42:42] That that character was played by a boy called kaden balan and he's an aussie boy who lives with a type of dwarfism

[01:42:51] He went viral in 2020 after his mom posted a video on social media about him coming home crying from school

[01:42:58] Because he was being bullied in school by other children

[01:43:02] For having dwarfism. I thought I recognized him from something. Yes

[01:43:06] Yeah, and george miller was so affected by this story that he cast him in the film

[01:43:13] Take that bullies. He's a

[01:43:16] He's a war boy now

[01:43:19] He had a great role I enjoyed his character. Yeah, so I just thought that was really sweet and just kind of warned my heart

[01:43:26] Yeah, I feel like george miller is a good guy, I don't know maybe he's not but it seems like he is

[01:43:31] We haven't heard anything bad so far. That's all we can go on

[01:43:35] Just that he would make a movie like this. I don't know. You know, he's good. Yeah

[01:43:39] It's kind of I just have a good feeling about him. Anyway, hope I'm right. Yeah

[01:43:43] So I thought there were some funny moments. Um, yeah, you never know these

[01:43:49] Where uh

[01:43:50] Like dementis is mad that little furious is going to go with a morton joe. She just said no he killed my mother

[01:43:58] so then

[01:43:59] He approaches her like

[01:44:01] He looks like kind of menacing here. I thought and then he just snatches his teddy back. Okay, fine, but i'm taking this really

[01:44:07] because I was

[01:44:09] I was dying laughing like me and the other

[01:44:12] And I think because chris hemsworth doesn't get enough credit as like I mean, he looks like that

[01:44:16] He's talented rich and he's funny like, you know, it's like

[01:44:20] funny too

[01:44:21] but like I think I think it made me laugh because like

[01:44:23] when she says like he's not my father they they pan to him and he's like

[01:44:28] Like I don't know

[01:44:32] And like I couldn't I was just like he just sort of like storming over me like

[01:44:37] Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right

[01:44:42] It was funny though

[01:44:43] And then at one point she stores the nut in her cheek like a squirrel I thought that was cute funny but yeah

[01:44:50] Find it kind of

[01:44:52] Cute in a funny way. Yeah

[01:44:54] My favorite funny thing I had a whole list, but I won't go through them all

[01:44:57] But my favorite is this guy history man who's looks like this old sage long white beard dark wrinkled tattooed skin of experience

[01:45:05] And he when we first meet him, he sounds like he's telling a tale

[01:45:09] But he's just telling someone the specs for the original version of this motorcycle

[01:45:21] Like

[01:45:22] Furious is crying and someone's like what's a tear and he's like moisture from human emotion the tears of joy and tears of sorrow

[01:45:28] have a different composition

[01:45:30] or when they come upon that war boy the first one and

[01:45:33] Demented says we're looking for a place of abundance and he goes what's abundance and history man

[01:45:38] Because something copious amounts of something ample quantities

[01:45:57] Well, it's and also he was wrong like so he says like there's different compositions of tears between happiness and sadness

[01:46:03] Like that's not how that works. There are different compositions of tears. There's natural ones that that we make just lubricating our eyes

[01:46:10] There's ones that we make in response to a negative stimuli like our eyes tearing up when there's onions around us

[01:46:17] And then there's ones that we have emotion good or bad, but they wouldn't taste different just a little nerdy thing

[01:46:23] When he said that poetic but inaccurate. Yeah, I thought poetic but inaccurate. That's this guy

[01:46:34] Totally

[01:46:39] Confidently putting out information no matter what it is

[01:46:43] So a couple more notes. Um, I read they made they used ai to make the younger furious actress

[01:46:50] Aaliyah brown look like anya taylor joy a little bit more blend their faces together

[01:46:55] And then he moved the dial as the movie went on

[01:46:58] He changed it was like on a dial and as the movie went on he moved it more towards anya taylor

[01:47:03] Yeah, so like you can really see it when she's in the room with the morton toe for the first time

[01:47:08] Whoa, you look like someone else

[01:47:11] And he did it because he wasn't sure if audience audience has already had to get used to one new furiosa

[01:47:16] And he wasn't sure if they were going to get used to another one, which was smart

[01:47:20] It was asking a lot and great actresses. I didn't notice it

[01:47:23] As long as it works without being like what's going on with her face then, right?

[01:47:27] That's the best

[01:47:30] Read about it later fine

[01:47:31] um at the end we see charlie's throne leading the quote wives into the war rig and

[01:47:39] Uh, I was like did she come back to do that scene? But I read that it was just like unused footage from fury road

[01:47:45] That's cool. Yeah

[01:47:48] That was cool. And then they showed you know clips from the movie

[01:47:51] Um last note is that george miller the director and writer of this movie is 79 years old doing some incredible

[01:47:59] World-class action and I thought oh man, that's an old director when he was doing fury road now here it is

[01:48:08] Yeah, you mentioned yeah he so he wrote uh

[01:48:12] He I think he said he wrote the whole script of this movie back when they were doing fury road and also

[01:48:17] Wasteland the one you were talking about that was it's going to be mad max

[01:48:22] in the year leading up to this movie, but now that

[01:48:26] It's underperformed at the box office and he's 79. I don't think we're gonna see that movie. That's my yeah

[01:48:32] Not not by him anyway, like and I need him to do it personally

[01:48:37] Just get him to start writing

[01:48:39] I know it's already written like oh, yeah. Yeah tom hardy's no spring chicken

[01:48:44] So I think you might have to get somebody else yeah, I mean I love tom harkin but it's 10 years later already. Yeah

[01:48:53] That's what I think like they really lost momentum with making this prequels

[01:48:58] Really? Like I mean far be it for me. I have no expertise in filmmaking

[01:49:03] I would have if if they're my my thought process is get people sick of present day

[01:49:10] Mad max and then go back in time. I'm not sick of present day

[01:49:14] I would have wanted the wasteland film first as much as I love furiosa

[01:49:18] I want to know what traumatized max because we didn't get any backstory on that except that he hears voices and he let a lot

[01:49:24] of yeah, i'm like

[01:49:26] I think there might have been a comic book

[01:49:29] That yeah told about that. I had a good chance to read it. Yeah

[01:49:33] But no, we need to make it. It sounds fantastic. But yeah, i'm with you. I don't uh, I don't think so

[01:49:39] Yeah, yeah, it would be great if if they would do it, but people need to go watch the movie

[01:49:45] Everybody go watch it three times

[01:49:47] Yeah, if you're listening to this podcast go see furiosa

[01:49:52] Oh, yeah, I forgot to say you shouldn't listen if you don't want to be spoiled. Hope people are like

[01:49:58] Hopefully they should figure it out

[01:50:00] To be fair I inferred that and I didn't listen to the civil war

[01:50:04] Podcasts yet because I just watched that over the weekend because I figured it would be

[01:50:09] Very

[01:50:11] Yeah, we had a great time

[01:50:14] so

[01:50:15] I had some news but i'm running out of time

[01:50:18] So i'm just gonna read right now one item that I had in the news that I thought was most interesting. Um

[01:50:25] It was uh that george miller

[01:50:28] Has a really high opinion of charlie's throne and did have consider having her play furious again for this movie

[01:50:35] But ultimately he didn't think that the de-aging techniques that he'd seen in other movies looked good enough

[01:50:40] Thought it would be distracting. It makes sense. I mean we're seeing a younger version of the character and charlie's throne is 10 years older

[01:50:48] so

[01:50:55] Anna did a really good job of like pulling her out though. Like yes, they felt like the same person

[01:51:02] Yeah, I and more vulnerable I like that

[01:51:05] Yeah. Yeah, like a little bit less, uh hardened

[01:51:09] and

[01:51:10] worldwary and

[01:51:12] Anya taylor joy told cnn that she and charlie's throne quote have emailed a bunch

[01:51:17] We met at the oscars and she's just as lovely and gracious and cool as you can imagine

[01:51:22] We're due for a very long dinner just to swap stories, but I feel so lucky to share character with her

[01:51:27] She's one of my favorite actors and I just think she's fabulous

[01:51:30] I was lucky enough to fall in love with furiosa through charlie's interpretation in fury road

[01:51:36] I thought that the character was just somebody who really stuck with me and also she said she's going to kill me

[01:51:41] No, i'm just kidding. I added

[01:51:45] You have to do it the furiosa voice

[01:51:51] That's it's so wild to hear that like

[01:51:54] Two actors have played the same character, but they don't like they've never met

[01:51:59] Or like they've they've clearly interacted but for some reason in my mind

[01:52:03] I'm, like they must have hung out for like a month and like gotten to know each other

[01:52:07] No, well sometimes when that happens the actors the original ones don't want to have anything to do with them because they're

[01:52:14] Pissed off or whatever. No, no the older like with storm

[01:52:18] Halle berry played storm and then the new

[01:52:21] Actors who played a younger storm

[01:52:23] Said that she tried to contact hallie berry and hallie

[01:52:27] Berry just didn't want to have anything to do with her or something like that. Yeah

[01:52:30] I just read that

[01:52:33] But yeah, I mean it's hollywood

[01:52:37] I I gotta say like one of the themes real real quick

[01:52:40] That's happened on a bunch of his movies are the female leads have difficulties and I think it's a little bit because the movie is

[01:52:47] Tough the first film charlie starman had a hard time with tom hardy because he got so much into character big time

[01:52:54] I

[01:52:55] I kind of blame george miller for that of like if that's his process whatever but the director's like the parent

[01:53:00] Like you gotta they're on the same side. Like if he's going too out of pocket, it's your

[01:53:05] The director's job to keep a safe set. So there's a book out about the making of fury road. Do you know it?

[01:53:12] Do you know that and it's got a bunch of interviews with different people who are involved and I totally want to read it

[01:53:17] But i've read excerpts and from what I read

[01:53:20] Tom hardy was a total dick. He would mess with her. He would come to set three hours late

[01:53:27] He would insult her

[01:53:31] I mean she asked to have a female producer come in and one thing i'll say about that is it's it's not acceptable. It's it's um

[01:53:40] It's not cool

[01:53:41] but also

[01:53:42] it translated so well on screen because they hated each other when they first met and you could feel it and

[01:53:49] What I read during the movie they they started to begrudgingly

[01:53:53] Be okay with each other and respect each other as real people as actors just as their characters were starting to do that

[01:53:59] And so it all came through and I think it really helped make the movie even better

[01:54:03] But just like you were saying you don't want stuntmen to be hurt

[01:54:06] It's kind of like oh, I don't want people to be emotionally scarred from this

[01:54:11] Tom hardy has apologized

[01:54:13] Yeah, oh good because it's like it's it's part of your fucking job, dude. You play pretend for a

[01:54:19] You don't have to do it all the time. But I felt that I could feel that fear of you when I read that

[01:54:26] I wasn't surprised because you could feel it coming off of them

[01:54:31] And it's like it's it's like the directors who are like terrorizing people on set it's like you don't have to

[01:54:36] Like it's part of your job

[01:54:38] And it's like you see you turn it on and off and like this movie reminded me a lot of dune

[01:54:43] Because it was just it's just a recency effect

[01:54:46] I'm like the bad guys there weren't terrorizing and the one who played one of the main antagonist characters

[01:54:51] She was bonkers psychotic did a great job

[01:54:54] um

[01:54:55] He said he's like I didn't go all the way as I could have with this character because I had to go home to my

[01:54:59] friends and family afterwards

[01:55:01] fair

[01:55:02] You could have fooled me like that talk about a character who induced dread in me when he came on screen

[01:55:08] I was like, oh dear god, like you make me uncomfortable

[01:55:12] And so like there there's ways to do it. I yeah

[01:55:14] I hope he's learned a lesson and then I think it sounds like she had a miserable time filming this but she said he had a

[01:55:20] Great. She said she had a great relationship with um, hemsworth though

[01:55:25] Yeah, he seems like he would he seems like he'd be a nice guy

[01:55:29] I I did. Yeah, so I am curious. Yeah, you know, yeah, they seem really great

[01:55:36] Yeah, so I mean he seems just like he has golden retriever energy so like I I totally buy that it comes off later on

[01:55:44] I literally had the thought I want to know I want to see a back

[01:55:48] behind the scenes moment where he's holding open the little girl's eye

[01:55:52] To like watch the mom die and i'm like, oh, I hope there's like a behind the scenes where he's like

[01:55:57] I'm, so sorry, sweetie. Are you okay?

[01:55:59] I

[01:56:01] Bloopers

[01:56:03] when they first

[01:56:04] Had cast him as thor

[01:56:06] I was sort of like hey, he looks kind of like a dopey sexy pretty boy

[01:56:10] And then when they made thor into that they leaned into it it was great

[01:56:19] But but I swear like I loved his performance in this movie, I mean you guys are making me like it a little less but I

[01:56:25] Loved it

[01:56:26] And I I really do feel like it made it. It made me think he's a better actor than I already thought

[01:56:33] Yeah, I I want to see him

[01:56:35] Have I don't know what the director I mean, I think the writing was great

[01:56:38] I think there's something that just got lost in it where it's like no, no, no like

[01:56:43] being

[01:56:44] Menacing because he is physically menacing

[01:56:48] You're gonna act all goofy and weird you need to have that little like

[01:56:52] About you that makes me terrified or makes my gut and knots whenever I see you. He might draw in quarter

[01:56:58] Yeah

[01:56:59] Yeah, you might you might not care. Well, or he might give you a teddy bear

[01:57:03] He's gonna make other people

[01:57:05] Mother

[01:57:07] So I think that's the only but I still think he did a great job like I didn't yeah

[01:57:11] I don't think the criticism of him is really fair. I think he did a very entertaining character

[01:57:17] I think for what the movie put him into

[01:57:21] That needed to be someone who was you needed someone worse than a morton joe and to a degree I saw that

[01:57:29] He was worse to me we've already kind of covered this ground but to me it was worse because

[01:57:34] He was inept

[01:57:35] And yeah, that's more dangerous sometimes flailing around into it

[01:57:39] Also just to like clarify if I were to rate this movie i'd give it like a 90 an a

[01:57:45] I just feel like when we're podcasting

[01:57:47] i'm like

[01:57:49] You I mean the way you start looking at things different or a little more in-depth

[01:57:53] Yeah, but the way we started off. Okay two points one is difference is totally cool

[01:57:59] It's like great to cover things from different points of view different opinions i'll argue sometimes but I love it

[01:58:04] I yeah, it's almost better like to have different opinions. So it's more interesting but

[01:58:08] second point is

[01:58:10] The way you guys were talking about how you thought about the movie when we first started and then during the discussion

[01:58:14] actually, it didn't quite come off as critical as

[01:58:18] I thought it was going to be. Yeah

[01:58:20] Liked it. Yeah, like I definitely liked it. And yeah, I would say as a standalone movie

[01:58:28] Not a mad max movie

[01:58:30] I think I would give it like a b-plus as a mad max movie c-minus

[01:58:35] I don't think it's stuck with the

[01:58:38] For what we've had so far from what i've seen. I don't think it fulfilled that narrative and that's okay though

[01:58:44] So like for me, it's like I didn't leave it regretting. I saw it

[01:58:48] I left it being like I could have seen this at home, but like

[01:58:52] I I don't know something about going to the theaters

[01:58:55] Maybe that's why a lot of people 2024 has been an abysmal movie theater year. Yeah, I mean it's really been rough

[01:59:02] And to get people out of their seats to go in. Yeah, the deadpool and wolverine are gonna be a big like

[01:59:09] Whether movies are done

[01:59:11] Yeah, this isn't a franchise movie like this isn't fast and furious like I mean, this isn't star wars or star trek it

[01:59:19] fury road blew up but it's

[01:59:21] Not it's it's it's very much a cult movie but it's expensive so they were hoping for yeah

[01:59:27] Because if fury road made so much

[01:59:29] But you have to have people like willing to leave the comfort of their own homes because the pandemic changed a lot

[01:59:34] and with um

[01:59:35] Like what is it two months before we get it on streaming? I don't know if this is a movie that's gonna pull

[01:59:40] I honestly for me i'm like I hope it's considered a success all told

[01:59:45] I do too because I want the next one

[01:59:48] I think it's so good

[01:59:50] as a mad max movie, uh

[01:59:52] Since I didn't really like the first three

[01:59:55] I would give it an a

[01:59:57] And I would definitely give fury road an a plus plus

[02:00:00] And as a movie on its own, that's so hard. No, i'd still i'd just give it an a all the way around. Yeah

[02:00:07] If I knew nothing else about like the world and this was the first thing I came into I would definitely be like, holy shit

[02:00:14] What was this?

[02:00:16] Yeah, like I feel like showing people this first like like your friend

[02:00:19] I think he's going to really enjoy the movie and then see fury road's like oh my gosh, this is an amazing ending

[02:00:25] I think that's the way to see it. Yes

[02:00:27] and I think unlike a lot of um, I almost never say that like

[02:00:33] Whenever you talk about what's the right order to watch things in?

[02:00:36] I usually think just watching the order that came out because right the writers even though a movie takes place

[02:00:42] Chronologically before something they'll play on what you already know and so it's better for it to be revealed in that sequence

[02:00:48] But for this I might watch it

[02:00:51] In reverse order early. Yeah, maybe yeah

[02:00:55] It's a furiosa

[02:00:59] Fury road feels more like a climax

[02:01:02] Yeah

[02:01:04] That's how we like stories like the climax came too early. That was the problem. Yeah, right

[02:01:12] Oh max

[02:01:16] That's why he's so mad

[02:01:26] All right, that is our show episode 583 thanks so much for listening everybody thank you guys for coming on it was great to talk

[02:01:32] Yeah, thanks for having us really fun

[02:01:34] Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I haven't scared anyone away yet

[02:01:39] No, you're awesome

[02:01:42] We love you

[02:01:43] Uh next episode of this podcast walking dead season 2 episode 12 better angels and um

[02:01:50] You know what?

[02:01:52] Randy was about to say leave us a message about it. But um

[02:01:56] You're probably too late by the time you're hearing this we'll have recorded that

[02:02:02] Come on now we had a few weeks

[02:02:04] We had a few weeks off. Come on

[02:02:06] You guys not not you guys us fans

[02:02:09] You should totally go to podcast.com check out some of our other podcasts like welcome to the apocalypse

[02:02:17] I've heard of that anything you want to say about what's going on on there

[02:02:21] so we uh

[02:02:23] I started a new job. So my editing schedule slowed down just a little bit. Thanks, but we have the

[02:02:30] Season one finale is coming out. It's in the editing process probably in the next week or two

[02:02:36] It'll be out there and then for those of you who haven't listened and you've been waiting because you prefer to binge the entire

[02:02:42] Season, you'll have the chance to do that soon

[02:02:45] Yeah, check it out. If you haven't listened, it's super fun. It's not like anything we've ever done before

[02:02:51] Yep, there's a character in there inspired by mad max. So

[02:02:56] our own angry adam

[02:03:00] You know and I I hate to admit but I didn't get that until like episode five what he was going

[02:03:07] I don't I don't think uh, jenny's character did either until around that

[02:03:13] Um, and then there's the still slaying a buffy verse podcast that sam's guessed it on a couple times

[02:03:19] And uh, karen penny around there. What do you want to say?

[02:03:23] Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do such a great job. I really love it the cast of oz we know

[02:03:28] And i've been listening to adrenaline cinema the season two of interview with the vampire is out and adrenaline

[02:03:37] They're doing such a great job

[02:03:40] Of covering it. I'm really like appreciate like with everything. I appreciate listening to the podcast afterwards

[02:03:46] And of course run for your lives

[02:03:48] Oh always something I tune in tune into the interview with the vampire is um

[02:03:54] They're cross-posting that on house podcast go so that if you guys haven't been uh,

[02:03:59] Subscribe to that and you like interview with the vampire. You should check it out

[02:04:03] Nice. Yeah, it's awesome. And yeah, we'll

[02:04:05] Self shout out the cat on the cast of us the cast of the the cast of the rings

[02:04:12] Uh, we did penny jonathan and I did a season one wrap up of shogun. So I know there's been some chat about it

[02:04:20] Watch it definitely recommend watching the series before you listen to us because we spoil a lot. That's how we do it. So

[02:04:26] Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the best part for you need a debriefing

[02:04:30] Yeah, and of course from is coming back in the fall. Yeah

[02:04:34] That's right. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff coming up. Yeah, uh, I can't wait for cobra kai and that's coming up really soon

[02:04:40] I'm so excited

[02:04:42] But uh, we can't can't say everything that we're doing so check out podcast.com

[02:04:46] I also want to mention this episode is made possible by patreon supporters like erica price who pledged their support at patreon.com

[02:04:53] Jason cabassi. So thank you. Erica

[02:04:55] Yeah, one thing we're doing we do a bunch of different things and i've got a few things planned once I get through this

[02:05:02] um these next few days of podcasting one of them is

[02:05:05] A reprise of our bracket style favorite character tournament

[02:05:09] So we list out all the main characters and you know favorite characters from the shows that podcastica covers and then we vote

[02:05:18] in like a tournament until we

[02:05:20] Winnow it down to our very favorite one and last time rick rhymes won

[02:05:25] So I think we said we would leave him out of it this time

[02:05:27] There were some really hard votes in there though. Like some of the characters that came up against you

[02:05:32] You're just like oh, I can't pick I know

[02:05:35] sophie's choice

[02:05:37] Jason you can do an ai of like rick giving the crown

[02:05:45] All right, that is our show thanks for listening don't fuck with furiosa