600: "La Gentillesse des Étrangers" (TWD: Daryl Dixon S2E1)

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: We are going to breathe in compassion and forgiveness and breathe out fear and suffering.

[00:00:20] Start by centering yourself.

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Now take a deep breath in and out.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Now take a deep breath.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: The Cast of Us, a podcast dedicated to the shows.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The Walking Dead.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Is Ed Heads welcome to the podcast? I'm Jason.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Lucy.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Lara.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the Cast of Us episode, Bum Bum Bum Bum 600.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yay!

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Happy anniversary.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah!

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys don't look a day over 400.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm only, I'm a young thing. I think I'm only like 100 and something.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: 400 was when we had Angel of the King on.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was cool.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that one.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Lara. Hi Lara.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I know who I like more.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And this episode we're covering The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon season 2, episode 1, La Gentillesse des Étrangers.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Wee-wee. So, happy 600 episode 500 was, well 400 was Angel of the King.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: 500 was The Last of Us premiere and now for 600 Daryl season 2 premiere.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And actually I had the idea last night that if you guys want to help me celebrate then go to vote.org

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and make sure that you're registered to vote and then vote.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And that would make me feel very celebratory for our 600th episode.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that. That's a nice present.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm being serious too if you guys really want to.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And then let me know that you did that and then it will make my heart happy.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I just think and then vote for me.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Vote for Lucy.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Right man.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: No, don't.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got high hopes.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: If enough of us get man together.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: If enough of us write me in.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I could be in a job that I don't super want.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So Bonjour Lara, you've been listening to us for a long time.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Long time.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how far back do you?

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I do.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember the day that I found your podcasts which was the first podcast that I'd ever signed up for.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was after the season 4 mid-season finale when they took the prison down.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so exciting and I just wanted to talk to someone about it.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But not many of my friends who I knew watched the show at the time.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just felt like I had to go out there and find some way to get out my love for The Walking Dead.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I found Apple podcasts and I looked through it.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd heard of podcasts before but I didn't really find any that I wanted to listen to.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So I searched for The Walking Dead and you guys were the first ones that popped up.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I've been listening since then.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We must be about the same timeline then, Lara.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Although I remember hearing your letters when I started listening to the podcast.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Your name is one of the first I remember hearing from Mr. Graydon.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I had to write in and give Jason some trouble.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He's depicting Daryl as a too cool for school Bonzi type.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I pretty much changed my tune on that, haven't I?

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And what else was going to say?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was a great time to jump in because that's like my favorite period of Walking Dead

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: starting from that moment up until like mid-season five.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It was so good, peak Walking Dead.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I did go back after that and listen to every single podcast prior to that one.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you were the first person I thought of to ask on as a guest this season

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because I know you've been a fan of The Daryl Show and also you've been kind about Laurent.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the few.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm on Team Laurent.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Team Laurent.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And before we get into it, what do you have to say about The Daryl Show?

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I really love it, but you know, I've admitted many times I'm a huge Frank afile.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So when I heard he was going to France, I mean, despite the outlandishness of it,

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I just had to watch it because I wanted to see all of France.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw the previews and I saw all the beautiful locations they were going to be at.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, as a travel show for France in itself, I'll watch it just for that.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But also I'm a huge Daryl Dixon fan.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, two great things coming together.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, chocolate and peanut butter.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I love it.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: How would you rank it in with the other walking dead spinoffs?

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: With the spinoffs.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's different.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely my favorite.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Even over the ones who live.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to admit, I haven't seen the finale of that show.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: When I was signed up with AMC, with AMC Plus, I watched it till the very,

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: till the penultimate episode and then I lost my AMC, I canceled it.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I realized, oh my God, I still have one episode to go.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So I still have to go back and just purchase that episode.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I'll probably sign back up now that Daryl Dixon is back on.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to see the death of Rick.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to say that.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And Michonne killing him.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's unbelievable.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm shocked.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So one other thing before we get started, I just want to mention for people who just

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: jumped on with Daryl Season 2 that we did a catch up episode last week quickly going

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: over the events of Season 1.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Episode 599 in the feed in case you need a refresher.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was quick when I think it was like an hour and a half or something like

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We just went through the episodes of the first season and talked about the highlights.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So with that, it's walking to Daryl Dixon, the book of Carol Season 2 Episode 1,

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: La Gentille, Stéz-Etrengé.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think about this one, Lara in general?

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as a season opener, I enjoyed it.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I liked the Season 1 opener more, but I did like getting to catch up

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: with Carol and seeing her.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I loved all the stuff in France.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We're still at Moles-à-Michel, which is one of my favorite places in France.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I really enjoyed that.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, overall I think I'd give it like 4.5 out of 5 knocks to the head.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of anything that's been in the episode.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to know what that cool tool was that Daryl was using, but I don't

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: know.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought sort of like a trebuchet with hooks on it or something.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you hold all these heads?

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yes, that thing.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that contraption.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That was really cool.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what about you, Lucy?

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a harder sell for me.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I found myself a little wanting more time with Daryl's side of things.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I found the Carol stuff a bit more shoehorned in.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I was quite angry at Carol for a lot of this episode.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't love a lot of the stuff Carol did.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm hoping that we move past it quickly and get them back together

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: because I found that a little frustrating to kind of get them back on the same page.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it was good.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't like it as much as I liked the stuff in season one.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I liked that it was pretty much a solo Carol episode.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually thought the Daryl stuff was a little more like a side Abbey story, you know?

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And it felt more like, let's focus on Carol now.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And Chandra, right, one of our listeners for a while,

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: wrote on our Facebook page.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hungover by the way in case you can't tell.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little slow today.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Went to a concert last night.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Had a blast.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, she wrote, looking forward to it,

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm probably in the minority of viewers.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that excited about the addition of Carol.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't dislike her character.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I've just enjoyed seeing Daryl develop on his own.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't, you know, I found out that Carol was coming in for season two.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I had that same feeling like, oh no, I'm really liking this Daryl solo stuff.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that, well, I like the interplay between the two of them.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were starting to focus on that on the main show when they thought this was going to be the Daryl Carol show from the start.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I enjoyed it.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think even with two of them rather than just one main character,

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that it will still be way more focused than on the main show because it's less characters.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that this episode kind of did the same for Carol as what we've seen the series do for Daryl so far,

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: which is just presenting her in a deeper way,

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: exploring things with her that maybe they didn't have time for in the main series.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this show, just this episode makes you think, yeah, they're just good at that.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they could take any character, I think, and do a good show with them.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want to, I almost want to see them take a crack at somebody else like Jerry or somebody else, you know?

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But I loved it.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It was interesting timing to come to this having not been long out of the season two rewatch

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and seeing early Carol and to then come into this very great heavy episode.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, this is interesting.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: This is interesting, awful and frustrating, but interesting.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get into it much more deeply.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also there were many things that Carol did that I don't approve of.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But for storytelling wise, I loved it because I always say I like flawed layered characters and Carol is totally that.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was just so fascinated to watch her and very like judgmental.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want her to just be good all the time.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be more real.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I enjoyed it.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Laura, would you like to go first?

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So my chapter one is Carol and just kind of some of my history with her character.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I am actually glad to hear that there are other people who weren't excited to have Carol join the show.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Melissa McBride.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: She is so awesome and she's such a great example of an older actress in Hollywood who's doing great stuff in her 40s and 50s right now.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And she gets to do all these great action scenes and everything.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So I love her for that.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was not a big Carol fan for a long time, I think almost until they were in almost until she left Alexandria to go to the kingdom.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I would be on and off with her very much in the beginning.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I really empathized with her in the beginning of the series when she was with Ed and all the horrible things that happened with him.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But then when Sophia ran away in season two and she didn't even run after her, I was so mad at her.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a child who was probably four or five at the time.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I don't care if Lori was holding me and telling me not to go.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be running after my child.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just so mad at her for that.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's going to be a point in this season because she's connecting with this guy, Ash, about how he feels guilty about not going after his child too and letting him wander off.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And a few other things like I don't know.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been listening to the rewatch and I'm not sure if you guys had caught this.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But when she was in the church, it was very early, I think in either late season one or early season two, she was in the church talking with Lori and she had described something about Ed and Sophia where it is very heavily hinted at that you had sexually abused her or abused her in some way.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was mad at her for that, that she wouldn't take her child out of that situation.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know there's a lot of, you know, situations like that where it's not possible. But I just, I kind of rubbed me the wrong way with Carol and I didn't like her for a long time.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Even after Sophia was gone the way she treated Carl and everything. I'm just like, I don't like this lady.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when she did her made her decisions with Karen and David, just kind of deciding for everyone what was going to be the solution there at the prison and also

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: even when they got to Alexandria and she had done all these great things like rescued them from terminus and and become this real badass.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: When they got to Alexandria, she used her manipulative side to manipulate Rick into I can't remember the guy's name but of course, Portchdick like she needed a lot of antagonism was a Pete.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it Pete?

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was Pete. Yeah.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The doctor. Yeah, he she kind of seeded a lot of antagonism into Rick so that when he had his showdown with that guy. It was a lot more violent than it could have been.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just yeah, I just I don't like her manipulation. Of course, that's her survival skill and that is what has helped her to survive all of these years and to save people.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of been a hot and cold with Carol for me. And so in this series, I was actually in this episode, I was actually really appreciating Carol when she was remembering the barn and she was remembering Sophia.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And when she was talking to Ash, I'm like, Oh my gosh, she's going to tell someone you know how she feels and and kind of come to a reckoning about that.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then she lies to him. And it kind of broke my heart that she wasn't going to be honest with him and that she was using her manipulation again to get what she wanted.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see I would actually like this series to focus on some of the ruthless things that Carol has had to do in the past to survive and to help those that she loves and see, you know where that takes her I really think it might be an

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting character arc for her who has gone through so many character arcs.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think actually starting off with her doing these things that I don't think anyone is going to well, maybe not. I was going to say no one's going to approve of but I bet you there's some diehard Carol fans who are just totally standing up for everything

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that she did in this episode. But I think for the most part, and you're making me realize this as you're talking Laura that they probably want to start her at a low point so that she'll have somewhere to grow, you know, and so they're really focusing on her flaws

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and the things that I mean she she's really putting this poor guy in mortal danger under false pretenses. And that's not cool at all to say the least right.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's doing something that we're not going to approve of and I think that's because this is her first episode on this new show and so they want a place for her to grow into overcoming some of these these characteristics that she has that aren't so great.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: What bothers me is like she had a way in with the sky that was genuine she had a way in of like I've lost a child too, like it sucks I can meet you where you are and talk to you about this.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, I'm in this situation with my friend but she chose the deceitful path because it was the more impactful because you know, if you're being altruistic and saying how do I get them to do what I want them to do that was the way to do it but I just found it really difficult.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like oh I don't like this better because Abby's probably going to die and like the next I know I mean do you guys like I always try to like I've mentioned this so many times on the podcast where I look at things from the point of view as if I was in the world how would I react to these people.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know I'd be like I've said this about Carol I probably wouldn't want to be anywhere near her because it can't trust her. She might manipulate you but as a watcher of a TV show who wants a good story.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy watching someone who's not perfect and who's even kind of detestable in some ways. It's more interesting than if she just had done what you just said Lucy where she's just honest and the guys like oh I'm glad you're honest and then they go off to France like oh you honor right.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I know but also.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true I feel that way about character sometimes too they're absolutely despicable on screen and you'd never want to know them in real life on screen they are just dynamic.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and on the other hand sometime I like I try to like separate the two about whether I like someone versus whether I think it's a good story but there are some times when a character just I just don't like them and it makes me not want to watch the show so I don't know.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I get that too but since Laura just went or just talked about Carol's what she did this episode do you mind if I go into my point on that Lucy.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No I told I was going to say I mean I'm I'm here more for flavorful commentary this week because due to personal circumstances I was not able to prepare to the same level so I'm just going to be just going to be sitting here naysaying and yes saying and seeing what's.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool that's great because I mean that's kind of what we've been doing lately anyway we choose one of us to do more prep so how Carol manipulates.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So we see her in this episode connect with this stranger through their similar tragedies they both gone through which is really sweet but then she uses like his greatest vulnerability to gain his trust and manipulate him into the situation where he could

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and probably will as Lucy said die just so she can get what she wants which is bad and she's done some awful things over the years you mentioned a couple are I thought killing in Karen and Karen and David was unforgivable especially as you mentioned without even checking with somebody else first.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: She freaked poor little Sam out about the monsters remember when she said they'll come in each I'll tie you to a tree and they'll eat you or whatever and then when he finally was confronted with the zombies he panicked of course he had that in his head from Carol Carol died that got him killed.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Carol has terrible track record with children yeah that's for sure she almost got Connie killed in that cave in where she acted impulsively I forget the exact details but I remember Carol is really pissed at her.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: She let Negan out of jail to kill Alpha and then I mean maybe that was okay but he betrayed everyone for a little while there and help the whispers.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah a lot of hilltop.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah right and probably a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting I mean some people didn't think she should have killed Lizzie but I don't know what else are you gonna do with that kid anyway.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff and now this and and I feel critical of her but lover character I think she's interesting to watch and there's a lot of things I just love about her and Melissa McGride is so great and she's just so flawed and layered and I love it.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is so fucked up what she did in this episode repeatedly manipulating him and and she always connects on something honest gains this trust and then lies to get what she wants and it's it's very.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting to watch because it is so honest like when she's she's in the greenhouse and she sees the shrine to his son with the toys and was it his son's grave there.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it might have been.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: She kind of mentioned yeah she said grave but I don't know for sure if he's buried in there.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But she she realized like okay he lost a son and you can tell that she feels emotional about that and it's genuine and she feels connected to him.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I also love this is kind of an aside but that you see zombies in the background on the other side of the greenhouse while she's having this poignant moment and walking dead is so good at juxtaposing those kind of things like character moments with horror.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what what's so great about the show but then the Zeds come in and fuck up the greenhouse and she garden sheers down the throat of one of them is so great.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when the ash this guy Ash comes back he's pissed off at her understandably because she trashed his fucking house.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I mean I was thinking about so she saw that this generator will just shut off because it's glitching you know and he had to turn it back on.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when he was gone it shut off again and it's like so bad like when it shuts off all not only does the do the locks go off but the doors just like open.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like he was sitting next to me and he was like that is just the stupidest system I have seen.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Has he not heard of zip ties?

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I thought a latch would have helped there.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I thought you know if that happens all the time and he's flying every day which he said he is then the zombies would have gotten in anyway at some point.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So but I guess where Carol messed up is the door to the greenhouse did not open and plus the zombies only came in there because she was in there so I guess that's where where she was at fault right just by being in there but the zombies totally would have gotten onto the property before that.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: At the end as well when the zombies are coming towards the plane and the lightning hits the tree I was like I guess Carol didn't cause the weather so he would have been overrun anyway at that point.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes yeah yeah yeah.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But Carol I mean as soon as you meet a main character from The Walking Dead your whole property is about to be destroyed basically.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Your life is about to get really really bad.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's so he's pissed at her and she's apologetic but then she she's there's another sort of genuine moment in a weird way that she uses.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: She says she's curious about him and thought if she knew him better maybe they could be friends so she's like I'm sorry but I was just curious about you and I thought maybe we could become friends well that's true but only because she wants something from him and that totally worked like that's when he started opening up about his son Avi and he was seven when he died and he felt guilty.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he let Avi wander off and protect him which is similar to Carol and Sophia and so then they connect over that and Ash can see Carol's real emotion over it but then she keeps the truth about what she wants hidden and connecting on the true thing but using it to manipulate.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So then he tells her he put together this plane because Avi loves planes and when he flies high enough he can almost trick himself into thinking the world is still the same which I took to mean the world is like pre Z.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: A but also that obviously alive and I think Carol understands that and then he he advised her to dinner and there's this Cherokee rose on the table and he says they represent hope you know and she flashes back to Darrell it's so great we did this rewatch and all this fresh in our minds.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And it shows that she's moved by this she's thinking about it and so then yeah we're caught up in the moment like you're saying Laura that.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh they're having this like maybe now she'll just like really open up to him and be honest and she mentions Ed and it was hard with him at the start but then Sophia came and it's funny how something so bad can lead to something so good so they're really connecting and then he asked where Sophia is and she's like oh Ed took Sophia to France.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I thought it was great that he that pissed him off.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like oh you're just here because you want to manipulate me to take you to France to find your daughter and if she had said my friend Darrell is there it wouldn't have had the same power over him.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: She might not have gotten what she want and it seemed like it didn't work and I was kind of glad because this guy seems like a genuine dude who respects authenticity and connection.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like that and it breaks my heart when I find out someone's been using me like buttering me up to get something or whatever.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But then he drives.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: When do I get all my money?

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Soon.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Or.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going well now.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yep soon soon.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he drives up and offers to take her later so he's thought about it and it did work and he says I would do anything to find Avi but the question is would you search for him?

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Would you give up everything to look for someone you haven't met?

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So the real question is if you were me, if you were Ash, Carol, would you help?

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Would you help find your daughter?

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And there is a part of me right there that wanted her to say okay it's actually my friend Darrell but she's about to get what she wants so she can't.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeopardize it by telling the truth and I feel sorry for Ash because really he's kind of dumb and naive.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He's already seen her manipulate him several times and that he's still believing her.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like Department of Suspension disbelief at this point.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So then Carol says she has an address for Ed's aunt and they can start there.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That is the biggest bollocks I have ever heard.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like where will we start?

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like I have an address for his aunt.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's one power street.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I call it Power Way.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he she goes I have to prepare myself for the reality that she might not still be alive and I think she's sort of saying that to prepare him.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we might not find her.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we do.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And then later she's like are you sure you want to do this?

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought okay maybe she's feeling guilty here but I think more cynically that this is how she gets him to commit by making it feel like his choice.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you sure?

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm sure.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also to assuage her own guilt.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like well he was sure.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's under false pretenses though.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: What if just say hypothetically it wasn't my daughter but it was my friend Darrell then.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about that?

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it was a guy I'm not really too romantically involved with in any way but love in a very deep and fundamental way.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Could we go get him instead?

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh sure he's like brooding and he has big arms.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's great.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You'll love him.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so fascinating to watch this episode because you feel for her when she's thinking of Sophia and then to watch her use that and lie about it is heartbreaking to us.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I really enjoyed it even though I also felt disappointed in her as a piece of art and television.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really great.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's funny that they always kind of say you know, a leopard can't change its spots and maybe that's going to be Carol.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: She's always going to have this clever cunning side to her that she's just not going to be able to put away no matter how often she gets knocked down for it.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I've thought about her is that her character has had one of the best if not the best arcs on The Walking Dead but the show's gone on for 12 years and now it's been off so you have to keep figuring out ways to leave room for these characters to grow.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and so I kind of think actually that she will become a better person over the course of this series.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know maybe not.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're right.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: She can't change her spots.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she can learn to use them for good within her own self serving only manipulate the bad guys and not like the best people on the planet.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved that she did tell the guys that there was someone in the boot of her car that made me laugh because we had a whole discussion about is she going to tell them if she's not going to tell them and then yes, she did.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like fair play.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Fair play.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, I think there's enough air in there.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It might be.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad the writers didn't forget about that too.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to do a point Lucy or should we just go back and forth?

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I would have loved to talk about Carol's well, but you guys have covered most of what I was thinking.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I find her behavior in this episode pretty deplorable, but I can understand it and as you say it's good TV.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that the I hope they bring them together sooner rather than later because I found it a bit disjointed going between the two.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I did laugh at just how fucked Ash's whole setup was within like a day of Carol being there.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yep, this is what happens when you hang out with Rick Grimes for more than a year and you will inevitably wreck the joint.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It only took Carol like two days.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was nice to see Melissa McBride again.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I always think she is such such a phenomenal actress.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I did wonder if there was a bit of her finding her skin again as Carol because it's been a couple of years.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, I'm interested to see how that develops and how she's going to be in the next episode.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I'm here for the ride.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I am here for the ride.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just a bit like, oh God, I don't like this.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like this kind of deception.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so interesting because Darryl is so the opposite.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He's so straightforward what you see is what you get, you know?

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot in common, Carol and Darryl with their backgrounds of abuse and kind of growing into their more powerful selves.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But in that way where she presents this mask and he never does, they're the opposites.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's one reason why I think they're a really interesting pair.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And they accept each other that way too.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And he can see through her.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she can manipulate him if she tries.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, fuck you.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's very good at pegging people or maybe that's not the right phrase.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a good bullshit radar.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he might be good at pegging people.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that Darryl fan fiction.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Laura, what's your next one?

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So my next one is L'Ossang's philosophy.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So back in France we have L'Ossang talking to Darryl.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, did that first scene confuse you when Laurent was attacking the Zeds?

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was still back on the beach from episode, the last episode of season one.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That was deliberate.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked the little bait and switch.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what?

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Darryl's like it's been two weeks to camera.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, yeah.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's a foot taller.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why he's 25 now.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that was deliberate because we were wondering, okay, they left a son cliffhanger.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And then here we go.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it turns out it's not, but I thought it was clever and kind of fun.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you just presume, okay, he decided to go and help.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to see him fighting all those zombies.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We know Darryl can handle it.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's been back for two weeks, but he's waiting for his first chance to get out of there again.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was confused because I actually thought that Darryl had a tool that like shot all five of the zombies and pulled them back.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, wait, how did that thing work?

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, they were holding him in place.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So back to what I was saying.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He's talking to Darryl about the, he's worried that all this training with Laurent is affecting him and he wants him to still have this level of compassion.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's asking him to kind of step back from training him.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And Darryl tells him, you know, he just needs to learn to defend himself.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, we see later that Lo Sang is training with these other men practicing Akita with him and he's practicing self-defense.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, at the heck, Akim, Laurent can't learn self-defense and Lo Sang can.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So that seemed a bit hypocritical to me.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And we also see him working on a Tonka, which is a Buddhist way of recording and teaching.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I really like this actor.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He was on Hemlock Grove, which was one of the first Netflix series to come out.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was great.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of like a Dr. Frankenstein type, but he always has this very calm demeanor about him.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So I really like him as Lo Sang.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope he turns out to be a good guy.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We see something a little bit sketchy towards the end there.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I have big, wha-wha-wha red flags about this, but yes, on the same page.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, yep, yep.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually, so he's got, he's, this group is a pacifist group.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They have a pacifist philosophy.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I actually wonder, and I wonder if they'll dive into it this season, if that will work for the world that they're in.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they live in a violent world and what it makes me think of, and Lucy, you might be able to help out with this too, is, you know, the Middle Ages, or the Dark Ages, even the, you know, beginning of the first century.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there was a, they're at Monsignorie, Monsamichel, which is an island off the coast of northern France.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was an island off the coast of northern England called Lindisfarne.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I studied medieval art history myself for a little while.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was a colony of monks who lived there.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They did these really beautiful illuminated manuscripts and they were attacked by Vikings, and they had this pacifist very peaceful lifestyle, but was it able to save them?

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were one of the first groups of people to be attacked and destroyed by Viking raids.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, how is Losang's pacifist philosophy going to work out in a world full of monsters and violence?

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I find that interesting.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That's really, I hadn't thought about that connection, Lara.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's really cool.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally, when I get the train from York up to Scotland, you go past Lindisfarne, you see it out the train window.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's beautiful.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a smaller version of Monsamichel.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's really interesting.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a pacifist only in that, I mean, he uses that word, but he says something like we don't commit violence until we have to.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I really think that this tension between Daryl and Losang is, I think it's going to be about exploring something about Daryl, which is that sometimes he acts violently, impulsively, and it costs him.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like when he punched Negan and then Negan killed Glenn, you know?

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Good.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think Losang is saying, take a more considered approach.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we do practice with our weapons, so we're ready when violence is called for or we need to defend ourselves.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But we think it through and, you know, Daryl's like, if you spend too much time thinking these people are going to die and he may have a point there, right?

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But Losang wants to wait for information before he acts.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where they're a little different.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was interesting that Losang said if we act too rashly, then we all die.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And I did like that he said, when Daryl said, you know, they're going to throw the first punch and Losang said, well, I like to throw the last.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's an interesting because you can see both sides, you know, which I love.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I find Losang much more interesting now than I did in the finale of season one where I just thought, fuck you, you're trying to tell this guy who says I want to go back to my family.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And you don't need them.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Stay with us.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I did also find it kind of annoying that the first thing we see is him criticizing Daryl about how he's being with Laurent when he was trying to keep Daryl there for so long.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is like the writer sort of shifting direction because they've developed a story and they want to create this tension between the two of them.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like Losang doesn't really want Daryl there anymore now.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting what Mjöné said about Losang's people sending someone else to do their dirty work.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was quite interesting because she was not necessarily wrong.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That means that whole thing like about how in America or all countries, if you're inside then you get to pretend nothing's going on, la, la, la, but if you're part of the military or whatever that you have to deal with that shit.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like would bury kind of, you know.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I have a point if I may, which is something is afoot with Laurent and I'm worried that there's going to be some kind of sacrifice or something.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: The way they're talking about is he ready? Are you ready? Are you not ready?

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It made me think of Harry Potter.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So spoilers for Harry Potter, which is one of the twists at the end of that book is that you realise that the wise wizard that was protecting Harry the whole time was actually preparing him to be a heroic sacrifice to save the good of the Wizarding World.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a bit more nuanced than that because like, you know, he did actually love Harry and things like that.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope he's not.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even think about that.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Jason literally shocked when I said that I was like, what? I thought that was quite, it was very heavy.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I missed it. Did you think that too, Laura?

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh. Well, yeah, if they martyr him, I would be really upset with them.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope they don't. I hope that it's the writers trying to throw red herring in there a bit that we start to think that and that they actually have other intentions for him.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It could just be like it's a party that they don't want to throw.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's supposed to be this Messiah and symbol of hope.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was just thinking that they were going to sort of elevate him in some ceremony or something like that.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But now I need to go back and watch because I think you're probably right that they're hinting about that because it did seem pretty nefarious.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And the most famous Messiah was killed and did come back.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe they're hoping Laurent comes back.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, but yeah.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Peirce.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll test it out. Let's see.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll test it out. Let's see.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that would be a thing.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It would be if he is immune then we can kill him and bring him back or something like that.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, oh, that was going to go on the lamp to prevent him getting killed.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the tension with him is they want like the whole thing about season one with Laurent was he was sort of coddled by these nuns and didn't like you point this out.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Lucien, he didn't have any experience of the outside world and Daryl had to kind of teach him like, no, you got to eat a fish when that's all you have to eat, dude, stuff like that.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And you got to kill that zombie or he's going to kill your mother figure there.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think the nuns are complicit.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the nuns know this either.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is a thing that is about this commune that they're in now in Montsaint-Michel.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think for a second that Isabel thinks Laurent is going to get more of a grudge.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But just as far as like him being not prepared for the world.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're completely complicit in that.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And so and Daryl wants like Daryl's instinct is always to be a father figure, whether he wants to or not.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's just what he goes to, especially when he knows he's going to leave and he doesn't want to leave this kid unprepared.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why he's trying to toughen him up.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And so but they want to keep him.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the fact that they want to keep him compassionate and have empathy and everything.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not so sure about the sacrifice thing.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I just maybe it's one theory.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm saying no, I'm just trying to figure it out.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm really curious to see what they have in mind for him.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But even because I just thought they want to keep him from having to deal with the world.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where the tension comes with Daryl where he's like, no,

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: your whole thing about him being a messiah is lame and he needs to learn how to fight zombies.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know some people don't really like the messiah storyline that's going on.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the other thing than the parent series is that it has this almost like

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: supernatural element to it.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want them to totally go there.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want it to be like some sort of strange supernatural occurrence,

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but it does make for an interesting story that in the end of times basically

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: there would be a lot of people believing in messiahs and saviors.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you've got to have systems of belief and faith to keep you going.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's interesting to see where that takes you.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. I agree.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Is it my turn?

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It is.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Where am I going to go?

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm going to start.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: No, actually, wherever Carol is because her on his on Daryl's trail.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Just to remind people who might not have rewatched or listened to her catch up at the end of last season,

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Carol found this guy, Mick writing Daryl's motorcycle.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: She came after him because he wasn't coming home.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: This guy told her Daryl had been helping these guys up the road after she tied him up and put him in his own trunk.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then she left him in the trunk and said if he was lying, she wouldn't be back.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And so these guys, this group of guys who seem like they're running a garage, I guess,

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but they took on the side hustle of rounding up Zeds for Janais people in exchange for fuel.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And Daryl found out one of the guys killed a young guy just so he could turn him in as a Zed and get fuel.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So he punched the guy that killed him, right? He punched him or tacked him or something.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's another thing.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: They go into a fight.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's another, yeah, Daryl just started fighting and ends up on a ship to France.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But they took him aboard Janais ship, I think with the intention of turning him into a Zed too

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and using him in their experiments.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how he got to France.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, Carol is tracked down this mechanic cluster of guys and they're not being helpful.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So she grabs this crossbow that's conveniently lying around and points it at one of them.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that Daryl's crossbow?

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, probably so.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they took it from him.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But still it's just laying there.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you're probably right.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when the guy said, you going to shoot bitch?

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then she shoots him in the foot to show she's serious.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yes, there've been so many times in TV shows where I thought someone should do that.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just shoot someone in the foot or the leg and then they'll know.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Just to prove that they'll fucking do it.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's my motto.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're like, you crazy?

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And she goes certifiable.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Where is he?

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Then she like smacks one in the face with crossbow.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Where is he?

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He got himself thrown onto a goddamn boat.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like a boat to where France.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, you really want to mess with me?

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I laughed at because that's kind of what we thought when we heard Carol was going to France.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you fucking kidding?

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on, that's stupid.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: When you talk about the plot of this show, a lot of times it does seem pretty silly.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Even in this episode Carol finds a guy with a plane and manipulates him into flying her to France.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But I love it.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So she gets in one of their cars and says, don't follow me.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, about a mile up the road there's an old dodge.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Your buddy Mick is in the trunk.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably got about an hour's worth of air left to give her take.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I like.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Mick better hope these guys care.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully they have another form of transportation too because she took their car and they flattened the tire of the Lych type.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That's our only car.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We're a car.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's only one car.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was all pretty entertaining.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like to think I can't remember if those were the guys we saw in season one, the same guys.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I imagine it must be.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know probably.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Brando's, you know, random bad guys, whoever.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what else?

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: My next chapter would be Ash.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about him a little bit.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So this episode is called the kindness of strangers.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And if we could not find a more kind stranger than Ash, I can't believe he exists in this world actually.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been 12 years of the ZA and I have a feeling like if you're like, you guys have said many times on this podcast,

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: you can't be living in this world without having some blood on your hands.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But apparently Ash has been secluded in his little house on a hill with his airplane for 12 years.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Up in the clouds.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't interact with humanity.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why he's such a nice guy and takes in this absolute stranger.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Completely trusts her, lets him sleep in her bar.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's her sleep in his bar and makes her breakfast in the morning.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, where have you been this whole time?

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I like easy on the eye as well.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yes.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_03]: He would have found lovers and now.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And his wife left him and their kid.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was pre-ZA.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't clear because the child was seven when he died, but we don't know when that was how long ago that was.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it said it was he said it was just me and our son because she left.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he's lonely.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he just he needs a human there to talk to.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But he had a sweet setup.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean like he's got his own electricity, his own gardening.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He's got this sweet, beautiful greenhouse and and of course, Harold just comes.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Destroy it all.

[00:46:09] Yeah.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought the same thing as Peter Lucien.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like as soon as the electricity goes out, the doors open and the Zeds flood flood in.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And the welcome sign just lights up.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like everybody come on in.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: If you were asleep in the power went out, you'd wake up like, oh.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Not again.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to find some zip ties.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I really it made me wonder what Ash did in the previous life.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like was he an engineer?

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Was he a farmer?

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he seems to know how to gather ethanol.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He seems to know how to put together a plane.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he worked with those kids for fear.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Got the plan right.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He learned to fly.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you have a lot of time on your hands when you're completely alone.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, learning to fly seems like it would be easier than learning to land.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope he had a simulator system that he might practice on first or so.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I like him.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how long he's going to be in this season,

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but I hope so because again, I'm going to be really upset with Carol if

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: she took him to France under false pretenses and then had him die there.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't get too attached.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That sweet setup.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I said.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you're breaking my heart here, man.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You're breaking my heart.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't let myself get attached even though I like him a lot.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Jason, some of us haven't shot ourselves off to possibilities.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Completely.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Heart is hardened.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to talk about the takeoff scene, the plane, which I thought was amazing.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Before that, when Carol first sees this little propeller plane in the barn,

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking you really want to cross the Atlantic Ocean in that thing?

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess beggars can't be choosers, but chat GPT says it's possible that people

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: use routes where they can make stops for refuelling.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You just have to stop heaps like you'd have to stop so much.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, North America to Greenland to Iceland and finally Europe is what they said.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Ash said he does want to make a pit stop in Greenland and switch out

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: ethanol tanks and you can have extra fuel tanks in the even in the cabin in

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the cargo area, but then you have to stop and switch them out.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Peter lost his mind and the ethanol shed exploded.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: He was just like, oh, no, I put all the ethanol in one.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're going to put it all around.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's going to get hit by lightning here.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just, oh my God, he was like this guy, this guy.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I feel bad for him.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when the lightning hits, I just found that thrilling and this is silly.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But in part, I feel like lightning is part of the whole.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't even know if people realize this, but it's kind of part

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: of the whole podcasting a brand like the S is a lightning bolt and there's a

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_03]: at the beginning and all that because little known fact, Jason was hit

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_03]: by lightning bolt as a baby every day for a week.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Every day for a week.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Those who haven't seen him, he's got a lightning bolt shaped

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: scar on his left but cheek.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought it was I loved it just and then

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_01]: then they were going to leave the next morning, but suddenly they have to

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: leave now and when she said and without fuel and when she said

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: can't we just move it?

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you see all the silhouettes of growling zeds coming towards them

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: through the misty woods.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything I love is happening right now.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I really did like that moment.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It was very night of the living dead.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I still get thrilled by that after all these years, that kind of thing.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw that too.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was cool.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he starts the plane and she's still on the ground finding off his head,

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: pushes it into the spinning propeller chopping it to bits and I'm like, yeah.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a rule that you can't have a zombie near a plane and not put

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_03]: someone's head in a propeller.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: There's just no point.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no point.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you had to happen.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it was like Christmas because then he just plowed

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_01]: through a bunch more of them too.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is amazing.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say like that whole section had a lot of manufactured drama.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, a lot of episode I think had a lot of manufactured drama.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that after 12 years of watching the walking dead,

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they've earned enough grace with me that I kind of accept it.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The electricity goes out and the Zeds swarm in.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There were like where it's the barn where all the gas is.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Storms cause a lot of trouble in the walking dead.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_03]: There was part of me watching it that was like,

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: if this was an episode of fear of the walking dead,

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be like, this is shit.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But because it's a higher caliber show and I like Carol,

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, it really worked for me.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It really worked.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And the one place where I kind of felt a little bit of fear

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of the walking dead PTSD is when Losang is saying,

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: do they, you know, he finds out that the Emile Fallu

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and another guy, Martin, I think have been captured.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: For people who don't remember Emile is the one that Sylvie,

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: what was her name? Sylvie was,

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_01]: have had a kind of a fling with and Fallu was,

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the leader of the group in Paris.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Fallu is also like the coolest person you'll ever meet

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_03]: in your life.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Fallu.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't hang out with that guy.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He's great.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I call them La resistance.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_03]: La resistance.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_03]: La resistance.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They're saying, you know,

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Losang is like, do they know where we're located?

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause he's worried that they're going to tell Pouvard de Vivant.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And first off, I'm like, well, Codron knows.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Isabel knows that Codron knows that.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So what are you worried about?

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But also you're in like the most conspicuous landmark ever.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's this big giant spire in the middle of nothing.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, Jason.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I was imagining them in like their little control room of evil.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They'd be like, where do you think they are?

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Monster Michel.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: No, too obvious.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Too obvious.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They would never go there and we're like, surprise.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: What a great hiding place.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That's where I felt a little fear of the walking dead.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Where so ever could they be?

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But so back to the take off the plane,

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_01]: just a little more in the air, Carol looked nervous

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and Ash is saying, just center yourself, take a deep breath.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was that scene before where she's trying

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_01]: to play different cassette songs in the car

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and she ends up putting that meditation tape in

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and just all breathe deeply and she can't get it out.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, ah, that was so funny.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that so much.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I don't need this shit.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, it was a little weird here

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_01]: because he starts saying the same thing and I'm like,

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: are they saying he was the voice on the tape

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_01]: or is this just so coincidental?

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the point in that?

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he just sounded a bit like him.

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but why did they?

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think he said the exact things

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: because I wrote it down with what the recording was saying.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Ash says something a little bit differently.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He just says to breathe in and center.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's meant to be because she kind of looks at him like,

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: wait, is everything I thought about this wrong?

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're the one manipulating me.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it hallucination?

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's weird.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But all this action which I loved was also interspersed

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: with Daryl's firefight that we haven't talked about.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I found that pretty thrilling too.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was interesting that it's a stormy night

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: for Carol, but it's a clear day for Daryl.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think both are happening at the same time

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's in a different time zone.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And as Carol and Ash fly up, they see the sun.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like we're headed to Daryl now.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was pretty clever.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So I just love that.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: When you have an episode that I like

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you have a great thrilling action scene like that,

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it just elevates it for me.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I really love this opener.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the rules have been reversed here

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: because usually it's me lifting up your opinion of the episode.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're actually, you're lifting it up for me.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm into it.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm getting more into it now.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I've had a bad week.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So like it was not, but yeah.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes a difference.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It was good.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It does.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that interplay of the two action scenes

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: because even though they're apart right now

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and we want them to get together so that we don't have to see

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: them in two different places,

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a really good way

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of pulling the two together.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And also it felt kind of like

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I always think of the end of Return of the Jedi

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_01]: where you have Luke with the Emperor and Darth Vader

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you have Lando attacking,

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to get to the second Death Star

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you have Down on the Moon of Endor,

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Han and Leia and all the Ewoks and everything.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They just keep cutting back and forth.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes it more like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Really exciting.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else?

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Any more points?

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess I'll let that roll into one of my other points

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: was just what the theme of this season might be.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, when Carol got in the car

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and she popped the tape in,

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: actually I thought that was Losing's voice.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, that sounds a lot like Losing.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But the narrator is saying,

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_02]: breathe in compassion and forgiveness.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Breathe out fear and suffering.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have a feeling that's kind of a Daryl and Carolyn

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_02]: in that shell there,

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the fear and the suffering that they've both endured

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: for so long.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if this series, this season,

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to have them trying to like,

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: learn more compassion and forgiveness

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and breathing out that fear and suffering.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it seemed to be a bit of a topic in the episode.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially with Losing.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That moment where it cuts to Carol with her sunglasses on,

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like,

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a pair of glasses.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like that is such a good musical cut.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the frustration with the tapes,

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that really, I really enjoyed that.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I did love it because he says,

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_02]: breathe out fear and suffering.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And then she just screams.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Frustration.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It was,

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to breathe in compassion and forgiveness.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like,

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: get that thing out.

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And breathe out fear and suffering.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Start by centering yourself.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Shit.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And out.

[00:56:31] Rah!

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that's all just that little point.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I only had one more left.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a little bit about the mission to save

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Emil Falou and the other person,

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Martin from Pouvoir de Vivante.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And when we did our catch up episode,

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of glossed over Jenae

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and her organization, Pouvoir de Vivante.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So I went back and just refreshed myself

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_01]: about what she's all about.

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She's trying to reunite France under her leadership.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_01]: She rails against the elite controlling everything

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and blames them for causing the ZA,

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: which we don't know the details of why yet.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we learn that.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: She sees herself as the leader of the oppressed

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_01]: who've risen up to take power,

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but she's a brutal dictator.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's just another populist who's full of shit

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: appealing to people's grievances so she can have power.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she actually believes in what she stands for.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like it.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes when leaders feel righteous

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: then they do cruel things in the name of that righteousness.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what she's like.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So when Lossang says their camp in Paris

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: was raided by Pouvoir de Vivante,

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Jenae's group, three people were captured.

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the, well, at least Emil and Fallu.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We saw them separate from Daryl and his group

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of last season

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and Sylvie was really sad to an Emil to leave each other.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So they find out that Jenae is transporting

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: these captives for some reason.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Why? I have no idea.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you transport them?

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Daryl and crew go to intercept them.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was interesting.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Last season was a lot about Daryl wanting to go home

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_01]: to his friends and family and not be caught up

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in fighting someone else's cause,

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like his grandpa in World War II

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_01]: who died for someone else's cause.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But here he is fighting someone else's cause.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess it's because he's just gotten involved enough

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that he cares enough about Fallu or maybe Sylvie, you know?

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean...

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_03]: How could you not care about Fallu?

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a millionaire.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So then this convoy comes through

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and they had an explosion set up,

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: but it didn't work so Daryl just goes in

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and starts shooting which is the,

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess they're talking about his tendency to do that

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's a fire flight, firefight.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the only ones to die were Jenae's people, right?

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: No one on the good guy's side.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It all happened pretty fast.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It all seemed to be casualties on Jenae's side.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I did roll my eyes a little bit at the kind of James Bond monologue

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and where she's like, you give me dicks on

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's like really slowly loading his gun

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like...

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause she...

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It looked like her people died

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the restaurant away or something

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you hear her laughing.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And he turns to her with his gun

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and doesn't just kill her

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and she puts her arms up

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and yeah they send you to do the dirty work

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like why did she, she's unarmed

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and she just gave away her location

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and then walks out ready to die?

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What? Run away.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then why doesn't he shoot her immediately

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and then there's this explosion

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he turns around and she ran away.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I thought that was a little bit ridiculous

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_01]: just to have them confront each other

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: but it didn't make any sense.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause she's like so sophisticated and French.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like...

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Totally.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: She was a real proper, like you said

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of James Bondi and villain there

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: she had that crazy look on her eyes

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and she was just laughing

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and then she appears like a ninja.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The vibe of it was really fun

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but when you think about the logistics

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: then it's like, ah that doesn't make any sense

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but I guess it's okay.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And my theory, Jason, is why Darryl's staying in France

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and not going back home

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: is I think he's got a little bit of this hero complex

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: or he's kind of being addicted to fighting causes

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: like for a while his cause was searching for Rick.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he couldn't just stay in the Commonwealth

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: where things were cool and everything was calm

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and they were like living this, you know,

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: semi-normal life.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He had to have a cause

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and his cause was finding Rick

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and now that he's in France...

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he became a hermit

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and spent six years searching

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a single square mile of area

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that moment.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, yes.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But I really feel like

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Darryl has like gotten to this point

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: where he has to have a cause that he's fighting for

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think here he feels like he's got a cause

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: he's fighting for.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He has some purpose.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if he goes back,

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, he knows all his loved ones are back home

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but do they really need him?

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That's maybe what he's thinking

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: because everything's kind of cool there now.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we didn't really talk about it

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but when he sort of had this conflict with Lo saying

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's feeling even more like,

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, I don't feel like I fit in here.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't belong here.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He's talking to Isabel about it

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and Isabel's like...

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah Lo saying says that I'm too violent

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and she says only when it's called for or whatever

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like, you saw him stab a guy several times.

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Torture him.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, I think she's...

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she's in love with him at this point.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so too.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm calling it.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She's worthy.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I can see it.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's in love with her though

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but I could see it.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's great.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Are we ready for notes?

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Epilogue.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Epilogue, go ahead.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I just literally like the callbacks.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm wondering if they're going to do that throughout the season

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: because I do wonder how many people

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: who haven't watched The Walking Dead would be watching this

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and they probably would have wondered who's this lady

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: when they get to Carol on the motorbike.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: If they've never seen The Walking Dead,

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we even get a proper introduction

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: to Carol until she meets Ash.

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do like that they do the callbacks

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: to the previous seasons.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that reminds me actually.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot one point that I did have

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: which is that this whole Sophia thing

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's a flashback, right?

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And this season is called, is subtitled,

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The Book of Carol.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like we're going to be exploring things with her

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that they didn't have time to fully explore

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: in the main series.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And right now they're focusing on her dealing

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: with her grief and guilt of losing Sophia

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in a way they didn't have time for.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And part of me is like, that happened

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like 12 or 13 years ago, which she had taken this long

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: to deal with it.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But just to sort of maybe rationalize a little

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but maybe not, it is like that with people.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes we keep things buried and don't deal

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and this might be the first time she saw a barn since then

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and it really triggered that.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was actually a good bit of writing

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and she's been through a lot of trauma

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that we've seen over the course of The Walking Dead

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but this is probably the deepest

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and most painful trauma for her losing Sophia.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just loved flipping back to that scene,

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that iconic scene in The Walking Dead.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The scene that really stands out in people's mind as,

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah this is what got me hooked into the series.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It showed me what The Walking Dead really was

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and Carol's so tied to that.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And here we're seeing it from more her point of view

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: or maybe how she remembers it or imagines it

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: because she touched Sophia here

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but she didn't actually back then.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of reminded me of Cobra Kai.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a Cobra Kai fan, Laura?

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I am but we're way behind.

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But in the first episode of Cobra Kai,

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: they revisit this movie The Karate Kid

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that happened 30 years earlier

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and showing Daniel and Johnny's final match

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: in the big tournament at the end of that movie

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but from Johnny's point of view

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was a much different perspective

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and it kind of reminded me of that.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we'll be dealing also more with Carol's grief

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: over having lost Sophia.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like hopefully that this season

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and next season will be healing for both her and Darryl.

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think as well, like with Carol,

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I think something like that, a loss like that

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: never ever leaves you.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You never really get over it.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I, yeah, I think a lot about my grandma

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: who never shot a child.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just open up with that.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: My grandmother never shot a child

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: but I had an uncle I never met

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: because he died before I was born.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So the whole time I knew my grandmother while she was alive,

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: she was always dealing with this incredible loss

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that I never had any sense of

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: because I never knew this guy.

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I never knew my uncle who passed away.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But you could feel it though.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You could feel it.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You could feel that there was something there

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: that she just wasn't quite...

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: She was never quite the same after that

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and I don't know what the same would look like

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because I never knew her before that.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think no matter how far you go

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and how many different experiences you have

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: with things like complex PTSD

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and going through these situations

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that Carol's been through,

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's natural that there would be

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: these moments where it just catches up with you

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're just like, holy shit.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what has happened to me

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and this was the original...

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_03]: That was Carol's inciting event.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That was the thing that made her the person she is

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and all the things that have happened since then

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: or that.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It was interesting to me to go back to that

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: especially as I say, having watched...

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Done the rewatch so recently

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and having looked at that

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and the Carol that we're seeing in the rewatch

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: is still a very early stage.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's fascinating.

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really, really fascinating.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a wound,

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: like a huge wound

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and she already was wounded anyway

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: from Ed

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe even to let herself...

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't want to put the blame on her

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but she's probably just had a rough life, right?

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: She's got a lot of wounds

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's, I think,

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a reason why you would wear this mask all the time

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and resort to passive aggressiveness

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and manipulation

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's too dangerous to expose...

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: This is my whole pop psychology

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but whatever, to expose

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: your vulnerable real self

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: because you might get wounded again

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and so it's like a shield that she wears.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell's shield is violence

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and toughness, so he doesn't have to pretend.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Carol doesn't really either, she's a badass

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but anyway,

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: her shield is just

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: being able to redirect

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: people and manipulate and make people underestimate her

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and all this kind of stuff like that

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and so I wonder

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and suspect that maybe

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: just putting Sophia in this episode

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: means that I think you're right, Lucy

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that you never really get over that

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's always going to come back

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but maybe the series will have her processing it

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: to some degree and healing a little bit.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, once she's met

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and shot Laurent,

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure she'll feel a lot better.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just wondering like,

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you got to think that Laurent will play into this somehow

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: with her because of her history with children

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and will he survive Carol?

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: If Carol takes out little mini Timothy Chalamet,

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: she kind of believes me.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that's just going to be it for me with her.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You just cut to Darrell.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You know that gif of the man

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: who's sitting on the swing looking sad

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and then he's in the empty pool looking sad?

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Darrell.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Friends with the worst people.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Every fucking time.

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, so how's Judith?

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You stay away from Judith.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That'll get Darrell home real quick.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Any other notes?

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I was happy to hear the guy

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: at the mechanic shop saying

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: they took him on a European vacation.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's funny.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we were joking about this is

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Darrell and Carol's European vacation.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: If only they played Holiday Road,

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: it would have really completed the whole thing.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That really should have been the ending song.

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Only in like a French cover

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: of it.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, perfect.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Lindsay Buckingham to sing a French version

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: of Holiday Road to the end cred.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the Enzither?

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Accordion or something.

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, the little accordion.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was watching the opening credits

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like, how many EPs

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: are there on this show?

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The answer is 12.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a dozen EPs on this show

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: including Greg Nicotero,

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Melissa McBride

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and Norman Reedus.

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They're having a blast though.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of cooks in the kitchen there.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's working.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I know some people don't agree but...

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I know Norman Reedus

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and Melissa McBride have

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of say in how things go,

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's good.

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Love that.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a few notes.

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like the artistry of the part

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: where Carol goes to the ship port

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and sees this old broken down ship

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the camera pans up

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: with one of those overhead shots

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's dramatic music

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and then there's a pause

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the opening title music kind of punches in

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you get that awesome title sequence.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that really

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: flowed well

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was glad to see the same

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: title sequence since it's one of my favorites

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of all the Walking Dead shows.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It might be my favorite

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're still in France so it all fits

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but I will be expecting to see

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: a totally new one next season when they go to Spain

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: because you got to have the Spain,

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the beauty of Spain in there.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: This is Jason

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: as I'm editing the podcast, Cutting In

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: just to say that I watched the beginning again

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and I did see some differences

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: so people who are just getting ready

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to write in, we'll talk about that next time.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm tempted to go back and see

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: try and see if I can figure out what the art is

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: where it comes from.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I swear one looks like Delacroix's

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Victory of France

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the famous one that's in the Louvre

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a corner of that

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: but I have to go to the actual one

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and see and look it over.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I cast one last year at some point

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't remember any of it yet.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it would be interesting when they go to Spain

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: if they had some Spanish artists in there.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like Guilinaca

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's the zombie apocalypse.

[01:11:17] Yes.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And they got to show who's that architect

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that does all the...

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Gaudi.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Gaudi, yeah, they got to show some Gaudi building.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you got to Segrada Familia

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: like, oh, it'd be so good.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Also for artistry

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I like this

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: drive-in scene, the old decrepit cars

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: parked in this drive-in buried

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: in overgrowth that reminded me of the last of us

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: This was very cool.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And Carol pulled a lorry

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I noticed she was driving

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and looking up at the sky

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and one lone Zed comes out and she crashes.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The spirit of lorry is like, see?

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just me.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: At least she didn't flip the car

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: over nothing.

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually kind of impressive.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then lastly, I just wanted to mention

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it's directed by Greg Nicotero.

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I saw that too.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I also noticed that they are much more liberal

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: now with their F-bombs.

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Ash dropped like one or two F-bombs.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: They have been lately, yeah.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Some people talk. I didn't even notice, honestly.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You podcast with me and you're like a great model.

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: This is all I ever hear.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: All I hear is this endless swear.

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Only on The Walking Dead

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: would I be saying as I'm watching it

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: please push the man into the propeller.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Only on The Walking Dead

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: would I be planning my next vacation

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: while watching

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: zombies getting eviscerated on a beach.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: For that exact spot.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Only on The Walking Dead

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: would you meet the nicest guy in the world

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: who is fully self-sufficient, brings a complete stranger

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: breakfast and goes out to find

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: car parts for her

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and after said stranger breaks into

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: their sacred space and thoroughly trashes it,

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: agrees to go on a transcontinental

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: fool's errand with

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: newly acquired stranger

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: of one day that could possibly end in death

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: or abandonment in a foreign country.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Perfect. No notes.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Head out to end.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it for this episode of The Walking Dead

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a full version of the

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The Walking Dead

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and the rest of the video is

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and the rest of the video is

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: update.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So just one thing this time

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Entertainment Weekly had an article

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: about Melissa McBride

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: having a lot of creative input into the

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: show, um

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: McBride was instrumental coming up

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: with one of the big thematic arcs

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: for season two that Arc involved

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: taking the character all the way back to

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_01]: seeing her daughter Sophia walk out of

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Extremах at her schools Barn in a

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Zambie in season two of the original series,

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: quote the person who

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: left the fuse on that idea was Melissa

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: says Scott Gimple, who credits a brainstorm during a joint car ride on Long Island.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Quote, I just listened to Melissa talk about her hopes and dreams for storytelling with

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: this character, and in her mind there was a lot of unfinished business she wanted to

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: attend to.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Showrunner David Zabel said, I said, Melissa, what are the things in the show that you

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: feel we should explore?

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things was she felt was there was an accumulation of trauma and

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: unresolved grief that the character had been through.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: She felt that on the original show sometimes there hadn't been enough time or room

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: or space to kind of process and get through.

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Norman Reedus said, we had such a big cast in Georgia, you don't get to service every

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: storyline because there's just so much of us.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: This was a good opportunity for her to do things she didn't get to do back there just

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: because of the size of the cast.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that Norman Reedus, I think he coaxed her to come out.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there were reports that he was saying, come on, Melissa, it's great.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she was supposed they were supposed to be in the series together.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And in my headcanon, he they were going to do it in New Mexico or something.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, no, I want to do it in Europe because I like Europe.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Melissa McBride, who's famously kind of an anxious person was like,

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to relocate.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You'd go off on your own.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Norman Reedus went to Europe and did it.

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was great.

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, come on, it's great.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Come out, you know?

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So now that she's there, he's happy that she's getting to, you know,

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: really dig in and do the things that she wants to do.

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all in my head.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That is my fan fiction.

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sticking to it.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Melissa McBride said, quote, there was always more story

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: to tell for Carol on the original show and we're hitting on quite a bit of that

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: in the spin-off.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I had a fair amount of input.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to David about getting Carol over here and what the

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: impetus is for her to go on this journey to find Daryl.

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: There's more to it other than being concerned about him or having

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: these gut feelings about him and his well-being.

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Carol has had a lot of time to deal with grief, particularly with Sophia,

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: what I was most interested in tackling was the unresolved feelings of

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor's guilt.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is our show episode 600.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening, everybody.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Laura.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It was great to have you on.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks for having me.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is my first.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we Lucy and I did get to record on Fear when John

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Dory first came on the show, which was excellent.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This is my first time on the big show.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wasn't sure because you've been around for so long

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're pretty involved when we do like calling shows and stuff.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But it felt like, yeah, I think this is the first time.

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But you and Lucy did it, did the one with John Dory and I wasn't there.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, I like John Dory.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how we became co-founders of the officially unofficial

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: John Dory fan club, which I think has like resigned from.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He did.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do you know?

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You probably know this, but when he left Fear

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and somebody posted on his Facebook, I'm so gutted that you left the show

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and he answered, really, I'm elated.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he deleted it like the next day.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That was great.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, love that guy.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: He's still like Connick in our eyes.

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that guy.

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And when I did panels with him, he was one of the greatest

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: most fun amazing person to do panels with.

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Were you going to say something, Lucy?

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say, Lara and I got to drink wine in Colorado as well.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, 2019 back in the before times.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It was clear in her family.

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It was great.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Very good.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: She did her transcontinental drive from Canada to the US.

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not transcontinental, I guess.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Trans country where the border guards did not like us.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: We were not very well liked by those border guards in Montana, but we made it through.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: They said, you don't look Canadian.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Literally, they were like, what are you doing?

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you're not.

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Depending on how much feedback we get because, you know, we're recording this

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: early, we got screened or so we're recording before the episode airs.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But depending on how much feedback we get, our next episode could be either

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: just feedback for this one season two episode one, La Jante,

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Diaz, Desai, or we'll just cover it if we don't get a lot on the next week's

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: episode, which is season two episode two, Moulin Rouge, which means cows in makeup.

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Musical episode.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I said please let it be in the musical episode.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Moulin Rouge means Red Mill, which is this famous dance hall

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in France named after the Red Wind meal on its roof.

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I found out I didn't know that.

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have been there.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We saw a show at the Moulin Rouge.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I won't cast it, but never been in.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's overpriced, but my mom paid for it, so it was all good.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent. That's what I like to hear.

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[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Jim and Penny started on the new Marvel series, Agatha All Along.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So good.

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I watched.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, WandaVision was was my favorite.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched the first episode.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's written by the same person, Jack Schaefer,

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: who is a woman who, you know, created all this.

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's it's really intriguing.

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of a similar idea, but kind of different.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to watch more and listen to Jim and Penny.

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I listened to their kind of prep episode and it was great.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They're really excited.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing.

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: This episode is made possible by Patreon supporters like Dodie Sheffield,

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: who pledged their support at patreon.com.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Jason Kabassi. So thank you, Dodie.

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Dodie is awesome.

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: She jumped in and got really involved.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you do the Patreon,

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you can do it just because you feel like supporting, which is awesome.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But really to get the most out of it.

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: If you like come to the events and, you know,

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: join in the call-in shows and stuff like that,

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: then you can really get the most.

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And Dodie's been, Dodie's done that.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We did a Zedhead show together and she's in our VR party group

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: because we all have like quest headsets and we played mini golf together.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really fun.

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We played mini golf in France, actually, sometimes.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: We we.

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is our show.

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for listening.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't get bit, Lanny Gilbert.