19. "To Race the Shadow" (The Wheel of Time S3E1)

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[00:00:27] Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast. I'm Greg. And I'm Veronica. And this is the Wheel of Time Cast.

[00:00:53] And this week we're covering the Wheel of Time Season 3 Episode 1, To Race the Shadow. It is good to be back. It is really good. I was very, very glad to see this. I was unable to make it to the event last Saturday, so I wasn't able to watch it early. But I've watched it like three times now, and I'm still super happy with it. Same.

[00:01:21] Yeah, I just watched it for the third time this afternoon, and I think it was a fantastic way to start out a new season, and I'm very excited. So to get started, Veronica wanted to hit us with the awesome Amazon summary. Okay, so this is really detailed. It might take a minute, but fate leads Rand and the others to an inevitable showdown with their most formidable enemies yet. Ooh, spoiler alert. Crazy.

[00:01:50] I didn't think we were going to go there this season, but here we are. All right, so for anyone who would like a summary a little bit more in depth of that, so here's my summary. So upon Swan, the Amaralyn seat, accusing Leandrin of being a dark friend, Leandrin is joined by the other Black Aja in the White Tower, causing chaos, murder, and destruction in the Tower.

[00:02:13] In the ensuing scramble, Leandrin escapes with Angriel, Sa Angriel, and Ter Angriel, stolen from a secret Tower Vault. Many Aes Sedai and warders are killed, and Moiraine barely saves Swan from an attack of the Black Aja. Eguaine goes to the archers becoming an accepted. Rand and our other main characters spend one last night on the town, where potential emotional, physical, and romantic relationship storylines are started.

[00:02:41] That night, with Moiraine and Lan having plotted with Lanphier to break apart the group, magic dangers burst through the inn, causing injury to Perrin, Eguaine, and Naniyev. Convinced the Forsaken have found them, the group splits in three different directions. Also, Mulgadion is creepy as fuck. Absolutely. Much better summary. Did you like this one? I mean, you said that you enjoyed it.

[00:03:09] I really loved it. I thought it was, you know, a lot of action and excitement, and I felt like progression in the story for one episode, and really makes me excited to keep watching for the season. Yeah, I thought it was a really good reintroduction to the characters. You know, again, where it's like, hey, we're all back together, and we're all in one room, and whatever.

[00:03:33] And it was very Walking Dead to me, like, where, hey, we've got all these characters, and then we split them up. And then they all come back together at the end of a storyline or a season or something like that. And then, oh, no, we have to invent a reason for them to spread back apart again so that we can actually have character development on an individual basis. Yeah. And I think that that's a tried and true method, and I think they used it to good effect. For sure. For sure.

[00:04:01] All right. So I know that we've been a while, and if you are not as caught up with, if you haven't had 16 hours to go back and watch seasons one and two of The Wheel of Time, you might want to check out my season three, or I guess seasons one and two recap and season three preview. I called it season three, episode zero, where we just kind of figured out.

[00:04:29] I went down and talked about where we left our characters, kind of a brief summary of each episode of the first season, or at least the main timelines and the in-main characters, as well as a breakdown of the White Tower and the Ajahs and who we know is what and all that jazz. Yes. So if you did get a chance to watch the first two seasons, you probably don't need it.

[00:04:55] But I did go through that, and you can check that out on The Wheel of Time cast. Yes. But let's get back to Veronica's three questions. So what are your three questions that, as a non-book reader, I can potentially answer spoiler-free? Yeah. So, I mean, these are things that probably I should even remember better from season one and two, but I didn't get to completely rewatch both of them.

[00:05:22] So hopefully other people might have forgotten about these things similar to me. Remind me of the significance of the Aes Sedai's rings. So the Aes Sedai have that ring with a, we'll say a formal Aes Sedai. She has her ring with whatever color Ajah, a gem of whatever color Ajah they're in.

[00:05:47] When they arrive at the tower, they go through three phases. So the first phase is novices. Novices are all dressed in white. They do basically all of the housework and all of the chores, and they clean dishes and wash floors and a lot of the stuff that Elaine, scrubbing floors and cleaning dishes. So they do a bunch of basically their indentured servants, basically.

[00:06:16] And this is almost their, they're the apprentices, right? Then once they show enough skill with the power and they show that they have their maturity, they go through the arches as we saw Egwene do this episode. And we saw Nanyave do last season. And then they become accepted.

[00:06:41] When they become accepted, they are free to leave from the tower. They're free to dress kind of sort of how they want. And they receive the ring, but not the stone in them because they have not selected an Ajah yet. So that's why Egwene had hers without, or she's like, hey, I've got the ring. I'm out, bitches.

[00:07:05] And so, and then once they go through some other trial and they select an Ajah, and then they get whatever color stone it is. In the book, it was slightly different. They, it was just a great serpent, like a dragon eating its own head or eating its own tail. And then when they were accepted, they could only wear it like on their, the ring finger of their left hand.

[00:07:32] Once they became an Aes Sedai, they could take it off and, you know, wear it on whatever finger they wanted. Okay. Awesome. So do the rings though, like actually help them in some way with channeling power, or it's purely just like symbolic of their status with the white tower? It's purely symbolic. They do not need the rings to channel. It's not like, you know, Gandalf's staff or anything like that.

[00:07:59] He doesn't, they may use it as a focus point, but yeah, as, as we saw in season one, Moiraine could take hers off and not, she could do whatever she wanted to with, without the rings on. Okay. Cool. My next question is, remind me what the different angry else are. Angry else, the song, the tar angry. Yeah. Like I know it's a powerful object, but I don't remember what we,

[00:08:28] what I should know about this and why, like what happened in this episode with them was so significant. Okay. So on grail, um, basically just amplify their power by an amount. They can channel through it and it makes whatever they're doing stronger. Um, uh, saw on grail, uh, will give a, it's a, it's like a, you know, logarithmic scale. It's a, a, instead of double your power,

[00:08:57] it's 10 times your power or something like that. Okay. Maybe a hundred times. And that's like the one that, uh, Rand used, uh, at the eye of the world. When she's, when we rain said, when you channel channel into this, it'll increase your power by a hundred fold. And that was how he was able to break the seal on. Okay. Ishmael's prison. Okay. Tara on grail, um, are, they are made with a very specific purpose. Um, and as they, as they have said in the show,

[00:09:26] some of them, they know based on study or whatever, some of them, they do not. Uh, some of them are just random. Like they're, they, they happen to know that they're made with the power or there are tear on grail, but they don't know what they do. They don't know if they have any uses besides what they've already started or whatever. All right. And then my last one, I feel like you might be more limited, but yes,

[00:09:54] you can tell me if I'm crazy or not on my thinking. Okay. So I was just trying to understand the reasoning, this episode of why there were so many black Aja, why there are so many like dark friends. And I think not being a book reader, I'm just still not as completely clear on the reasons behind some of the fracturing. And is it supposed to be just a disagreement over how to handle the dragon?

[00:10:25] And like, what is best for the future of the world? Whether you side with like supporting the dark one, I guess I'm confused about whether it's supportive, the dark one or, or support of the role of the dragon or both is why people are fracturing. So we, and I think that people in, and it's I did, I was able to go back and watch both the entirety of seasons one and two.

[00:10:52] And it's kind of one of the things that land, both Lanfear and Ishmael said, there are many paths to walk in the dark. You can have whatever reason that you have, to say, I, it's almost like making a deal with the devil. So, Hey, I want my son to live, even though he's really, really sick. Like it may come from, yeah, from Leandrin. So that may come from a,

[00:11:21] a source of love and a source of whatever, but you're making it, you're signing your name, you're, you're swearing your oaths. Um, and then you have people like, um, I can't remember her name, but the bar, the bar keep, uh, in the town in season one, who she was just like, we were born in dirt. We're, we'll die in dirt. We'll be buried in dirt. And no one will care. Like, I just want to the pain and the suffering to stop. Um, and, and that's kind of the same idea. Hey,

[00:11:51] we get reborn into the same shit situations. And all I'm doing is recycling my pain over and over and over again. This is useless. Uh, I, I don't want to do it anymore. Um, uh, another would be like for power. Um, so land fear specifically, she said that, or they, they said that, uh, that she until like, she didn't swear to the dark until, uh, loose there and rejected her. Cause he found his, his loved one, his wife, uh,

[00:12:20] Ishmael didn't swear to the dark until after, I don't remember something happened. I can't remember if it was a matter of, uh, they, they went down a path that, that he thought was not the best, or they didn't take his advice. And he said, you know what? Fine. I will go to the path that I can actually make the world a better place. I just happen to be doing it in service to the dark one. Like Ishmael just wanted to die. Uh, he said, Hey, I don't want to do this again. I don't want to, I don't want to be resurrected. I don't want to have,

[00:12:49] I don't want to be spat back out. I just want to break the wheel and be done. So there are many reasons for someone to turn to the dark. Um, but what that means is that when the dark one calls upon you or the dark one servants call upon you, IE forsaken or whomever you do what is asked. And that can, and that was one of the things that I thought was, was illustrated pretty well between land fear and Ishmael. Like,

[00:13:19] so, you know, land fear got, or rather Leandrin, uh, got men to go to Ishmael so that she was, but Hey, like, Hey, maybe taking away your vision. That's the reason to, to swear to the dark. Um, but they can have like the, the dark ones, minions can have different paths, uh, that still serve his desires, IE turning the dragon to them or killing the dragon or whatever. Um,

[00:13:50] so yeah, you can, is that kind of answer? Yeah, I think it does. It helps me understand. It's not just this like obvious, straightforward reason that I should be understanding that it's complicated and which makes sense, but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some key item. I wasn't grasping. Awesome. So those are my three. Okay. Questions. All right. So let's, uh, let's go ahead and, uh, take a little break and then we'll get into the,

[00:14:19] the points of the episode and some discussion thereof. Awesome. All right. So we are back. Uh, so we'll go ahead and get into, we're, we actually, uh, kind of determined what we were going to talk about beforehand, uh, just because there's so much packed into this one hour and there are things

[00:14:48] that we definitely want to touch on. Um, so first off, we're going to start with the opening battle, right? Like the, it, it, this was intense, like crazy intense, like way bigger bang than I was expecting things to start with. I mean, this was like the little, the open credit. This is the cold. Yeah. And then there's a little blip that they released. What? Like two weeks ago that we got to preview. And I just,

[00:15:16] I feel like my mouth was hanging open afterwards. It was just not, I wasn't expecting things to just like, bam, be there yet. Right. I thought it would be more of a buildup to this kind of thing. And I thought that this was actually like, I thought that with the exposition that they used, they did a really good job of saying like, Hey, there, Hey, there's tension in the tower and there, you know, people are fighting each other and Oh, sealed to the, the sitters or here's the rules and whatever. I thought they did a pretty good job.

[00:15:46] Again, I also have previous knowledge. So I am kind of like, okay, like all of this makes sense. Were there anything, was there anything in there that you didn't quite understand? No, I felt like, like you said that they did a really good job of like, obviously I don't know all the ins and outs of the rules of things in the tower, but it made it very obvious why things were playing out the way that they were. I felt like during that. But yeah,

[00:16:13] just the absolute shock at how many people were, were on the wrong side of things or what I think is the wrong side of things. Yeah, no, I mean, that was there. It was definitely like, and they even said it, right. There was one of the lines was, Oh, how could so many be sworn to the shadow or sworn to the dark? Yeah. No, just absolutely crazy. Um, so, so I did end up going through and kind of like pinpointing prime

[00:16:42] characters that we've run into before, um, that we did identify as black because they came to Leandrin's aid. Nice. Um, so obviously Leandrin, um, and then in the hall itself, uh, you had, uh, the joya who was the bald girl or the ball. Um, and then there was the, one of the sitters for the white,

[00:17:11] like who got her head smashed in by Leandre. Oh, that moment. That was so brutal. I mean, it was just this moment of like, I felt like on her face was like, I can't believe this is happening. I can't believe I'm effing having to do this to my sister right now. And I'm so angry that you're making me kill you. Like, that's what I felt like that moment. And it was just so fantastic. Yeah. I, I mean, it was, I was like, damn. Um,

[00:17:42] uh, and then, so, uh, Jane and Chesmal, um, were the green and yellow sisters that came and came from outside the hall. Um, and that was the one where the, the, the red sister basically said, Hey, I killed your waters. I'll kill you too. And, and I, I wasn't quite, I didn't quite understand. I feel like, I feel like, uh,

[00:18:08] like Jane was almost like ecstatic at feeling her waters die, which made me wonder if like, they were not dark friends. Um, and she was kind of like, Hey, I can, I can feel, I didn't know if it was them or the ice to die. I, I thought she meant the ice to die in the hall. Like she could feel pain, but I didn't connect that. They said that they killed her waters. So now I feel less certain. Yeah. I'm not a hundred percent sure.

[00:18:38] Like I can feel them dying. It's so good. I'm like, I don't know what's happening. I'm not sure if it's like the water, she's like reveling in the pain of the waters or if she can feel something from, from in the hall. I'm not sure. Did we know her? Did we meet her last season? I don't think so. Okay. To me, she is a young Fomky Anson. Like she reminds me of Fomky Anson and she's absolutely stunning. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like from, from GoldenEye and X-Men. right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

[00:19:07] Yeah. She's a beautiful woman. And like, I liked how the fact that like we didn't know her, but we, because of Maxim and Yvonne's like reaction to her, we knew she was supposed to be someone who was like very much like well known to them and on their side. And that this was like a total like surprise that she had. Well, so she was a black. She was wearing, she was wearing green. So she was part of Alana's eyes. Right. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They,

[00:19:36] they do a really good job of like almost like passively like, Hey, this person's wearing green. This person's wearing yellow. That's the reds always have red on. Yeah. So like they, I feel like they do a pretty, pretty good job of like visually representing everybody. And, and I, I like it. Um, I was surprised in that scene. I don't know, like I should have assumed this, but for some reason, you know,

[00:20:06] I thought all three of those reds who before Leandrine went in the hall, we're like, we're with you no matter what. I just sort of assumed that they were also all three going to be black. And so it was kind of a cool surprise that they were not in that moment. When Jean showed up, um, that you kind of get flipped on your head of, okay, they were diehard reds and they were cool with Leandrine's like in your face

[00:20:35] approach to stuff, but they weren't black friends. It does. It does make it, it does make it difficult because there are such dynamics that like, you have to understand that before the revelation of the black Aja, everybody's just like, Hey, I'm in your Aja. I'm supporting you no matter what. And then it turns out you're black. And now you're like your black Aja. And now you're like,

[00:21:05] Oh no, like I got to kill the shit out of you. Yeah. Or, well, I have to protect these people for like, I can't kill you unless you try to hurt me, uh, because of the three O's and it does, it makes it for a really, really confusing dynamic, but I totally understand what you're, what you mean because when they were like, we're with you no matter what, I'm like, okay, so they are going to support her red wise, like her, her red agenda. Um, until,

[00:21:33] but then it turns out that she is completely not that, and they don't know that. And yeah, it was, it was bonkers. Absolutely. Um, I will say, Oh, so then we had, so that was all the stuff in the hall and just outside the hall. Right. But then we also had Varen and Adelaus and Naomi going into vault 13. And here was, I feel like this is our first cuss word. It was, I don't have to listen to your shit anymore. Varen. Oh yeah.

[00:22:04] And, uh, then she hit them with either some sort of memory spell or compulsion or something. I thought they were dead at first. Like absolutely. She killed them. Yeah. With the, with the, with the, uh, blood coming out of the nose. I, I definitely was like, Oh my God, Holy crap. And you know, Naomi is awful. Lucky. There was a stool in there for her to get to all those after she was so rude, double crossing her friends. Um, so yeah.

[00:22:33] So this is, as, uh, Varen mentioned, like there's Tara and Greal and on Greal and song grill. Like this is where we keep all of our most powerful junk. Um, and now I've led the black Aja right to it. And in the secret 13th depository, that sounded very mysterious. I thought, yeah, it was very national treasure. Um, and, and then, so I'm just going to, so that kind of, I think we've talked about like what happened in the hall. Yeah. so then they, you know,

[00:23:03] black Aja escaped and that would go out into the city. Emerilin or the, the Aes Sedai are hunting down the blacks. Um, and so then Alana and Ivan and Maxim all take on, I, this was like, I, this is all like frighteningly stupid. I, I, I'm going to just going to complain about this because it, that frustrates me to no end. Um, you've got seven black,

[00:23:30] six black Aja standing there and they just wait for Alana to attack first. Yeah, that's, you're supposed to be cold blooded. You're supposed to just like nail these people to a wall. I don't know why, uh, Ivan or Maxim even got close to them. Like they should have been going to town. Don't get me wrong. I understand. Alana is green Aja. She's battle Aja. She's battle train. The, the waters are, are that as well. But like when they got in close quarters, like you guys aren't Rick,

[00:24:00] you aren't restricted by anything. You're black Aja. You don't, you don't have to follow the three O's anymore. Like, I don't understand how they didn't get overpower. They didn't overpower Alana and her two waters. Like Leandrin got effed up. Like she got, she got burned to a crisp in the, in the hall. And then she got stabbed through basically the heart with two different swords at the same time. And, and she'd been like, and it's like, Oh, let me just show you.

[00:24:29] I'll let me be very specific. Healing. Like healing is some powerful stuff there. Like they could basically do, if, as long as there's still a heartbeat, like you can still, yeah, you can still heal someone apparently. And then they're perfectly fine. Um, that Joker mask on Leandrin's face when she would like coughed up the blood and she just had the red smear. That makeup job was phenomenal. It was, she, you can, you're like, okay, so she is the bad guy. Yes,

[00:25:00] she is. I wrote that in my notes. I said, Leandrin was peak batty in this episode, like really great performance. Like great. Yeah. Like that was amazing in this. Um, I agree. Like, uh, that would be my biggest like complaint for this episode would be, it just felt like these were all absolute superheroes who could not die. And it felt, I mean, like I'm assuming the woman who got cut in half is dead. But other than that,

[00:25:28] I was a little frustrated that Leandrin was good enough with her group to fight in the street. Then why didn't you just finish people off in the white tower when you had them all knocked down? Like, I think that's where I sort of, those are my complaints, which you basically, you know, just said, like, it just felt like the odds were in their favor and they were still kind of like getting beaten up by Alana. And there were just,

[00:25:57] nobody could die. It felt like, even though, you know, we did get a few deaths, like for sure, but it just felt the, the risk to all the characters felt a little too low. So, and I get, you can't kill everybody off in episode one of the season, but I don't know. I wish they'd come up with a way to, I don't know, have more, like I said, I rushing the tower to make them feel like there was a reason that they had to run away or something. I don't know. Yeah. So my,

[00:26:26] my notes are black Aja, dumb defense, um, stupid to protect with bodies and not the power. When Liana and, um, whoever else it was jumped on top of the Amarillin, I was like, use the power. What are you doing? You're so dumb. Like you saw the blast. The blast is going to knock stuff over it and protect yourself. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that Leandra very specifically said, right?

[00:26:55] If in, in season two, I think she said, if a man comes to me with a, with a sword, I'll come at him with a sword of my own. Like Alana, like grab that, like air sword that she got to stab Leandra Leandrin with. And then like Leandra, just like summit her power. I'm like, blew her away. I'm just like, why wouldn't you like, why are you, why do you need to punch with it? Don't punch with it. Just use it. Darts, air darts, air darts, like Rand did it right. Rand did it.

[00:27:24] He killed like 12 people in one moment. Like in, in episode eight of season two, he's just like, Oh yeah. All right, cool. We're all, we're all done. But we did get a pretty dramatic death for Ivan. Yeah. Like I, I kind of saw it coming, you know, when Leandra went to go grab the sword with, with air. There, it does make me wonder if like it, I feel like the consistency is a little bit off. It feels like people can see the power now.

[00:27:54] And like non, I said, I can see the power. And that makes me go, wait, what am I supposed to be understanding is happening? Like, like if, for example, Egwene later on, you know, Rand is holding the power and she's like, Rand, let it go. Let it go. I'm like, can she see what's going on there? Like, I just, I don't know. I don't know. I really forgot that they weren't supposed to be able to see. Right.

[00:28:24] The power. So as someone who's not as immersed in that war, it didn't, I didn't even like clock that. I mean, but it seems like they could see it, right? Like, Oh, I see her reaching out with the power and she's going to grab the sword and it's going to go flying at whatever. Like he shouldn't have been able to see that. Yeah. And definitely, I mean, I guess she, she could have, she could have seen from the way he was standing that Rand was still channeling. If we're talking about Egwene.

[00:28:55] So I guess that could explain that piece, but yeah, no, there's some, there's some possible inconsistencies. So as, as we said in the summary, you know, Leandria gets away with a bunch of junk. A bunch of people are dead. The ice and I are all like kind of licking their wounds. And the tower and, and where is Leandrian going? Do we know where they went? Okay. They left to go somewhere. All right. So next point prophecies.

[00:29:25] prophecies. So the prophecies that we heard Rand and loyal talking about. So he will, you know, he will take calendar. And then as Matt says, the sword that is not a sword, except in the old tongue. Um, so calendar is a powerful saw on Griel. One of the most powerful, uh, it is located in the stone of tier. Uh, it is an impenetrable fortress. Uh, and,

[00:29:55] but the, um, the stone of tier will not fall until the dragon reborn wields calendar. Or the stone of tier will not fall until the people of the dragon come. Um, so we're not sure who the people of the dragon are. Um, as, as is Rand, he's like, who are the people of the dragon? All right, cool. That's, that's cool. Uh, how do I get into this impenetrable fortress? That's a good question. Don't know, but, uh, both Lanfear and Moiraine are saying, Hey,

[00:30:24] like forsaken are out there. Go get this thing that protects you. That will give you a little bit of protection. Um, which is, you know, understandable. I can appreciate that. Um, but why is, why is Elaine, I think helped set Rand on maybe a better course. Maybe. I don't know that it's a better course. It felt like a better course to me, but I think I don't like Moiraine. And so I just inherently want to disagree with her. That's kind of like Lanfear, right? Like you get Rand tells me you visited his dreams every night since fall. Uh,

[00:30:53] you're keeping encouraging him to do the same thing I am, which makes me think he doesn't want. That's why he doesn't want to do it. I'm like, you know what? That's if the forsaken want you to go do something, like maybe it's not the best idea. Exactly. Um, but so, so I, sorry, God, no, I mean, I guess. So like, then we get those, those, those prophecies, but then we get that little bit where Elaine comes and talks to him, talks to Rand. And I mean,

[00:31:23] it makes me think then that the IEL people are going to be who the people of the dragon could be. Like, he can go there, he can convince them that he is the Karakarn, Karakarn. Karakarn. Yeah. Um, yeah. So that, that means chief of chiefs. Um, and if, if you don't remember that, um, and I was hoping that, uh, like, it was funny because, Oh,

[00:31:53] as the Karakarn, I order you to stay here. Um, he's like, Oh no, you don't, there's, there's a line from the book that, you know, Oh, the Karakarn is not a wetlander King. And I was hoping that we were going to hear it, but, uh, you know, you don't get to order us around. You're just, you know, you're some guy. Yes. You get the, you know, that person would, the Karakarn would be able to like tell the IEL where they're going to go, but you can't tell me what to do. Yeah. And she did call him like a wetlander, I think too, like a line later. You are,

[00:32:22] you are a wetlander through and through, which we've heard before. Cause she called Perrin that, but you don't fight like a wetlander. You don't dance like a wetlander. Yeah. Um, so, so yeah, I think those are the only prophecies we actually heard. Um, uh, the one, well, it sounds like, yeah. And it sounds like the, I mean, I don't know if this was a prophecy. We didn't hear the prophecy, but we heard the IEL warriors when they were talking about him being the Karakarn that he has to pass the,

[00:32:51] that the Karakarn has to pass the trial of Ruiden or something. And so I'm guessing. Yeah. Ruidian. Ruidian. And so I'm guessing that is some sort of prophecy that they have, that that is what will reveal who this person is to them. Yeah. It's like an, like an IEL prophecy as opposed to, it seems to be like prophecies are just like everywhere. It's like each person, each type of people have them. I mean, that's like the same thing here in our world. Yeah, that's true. Like if you, if you look at any religion,

[00:33:21] you know, you could probably think about, you know, Hey, this is when, when Jesus comes back, the, all of the Christianity will be raised up and the rapture will occur. And then when, uh, you know, looking at, uh, uh, Muslim, the Muslim culture, like there are the things that talk about these people being sent to, to, to heaven and the aisles of something. I'm not sure. We're not super versed in that, but anyway, yeah. So you're right there.

[00:33:51] There are just in this, like in this world, um, there are different versions of maybe kind of the same thing. Yeah. All right. Is that you good on prophecies? Yeah. That's everything I had. Okay. All right. Let's talk about Egwene and the arches. Oh, first off, I just want to say that, uh, Egwene is like my favorite bad-ass bitch right now when she's just telling Swan, like, uh, I've got one condition. I go through the arches today. And then she gets through the arches.

[00:34:21] She's like, I've got the ring. You can't hold me here. Bitch. My duty is not to you. It's to the light. I loved it. It was really, she's great. I think I love, I've loved her from the beginning, but she's really like coming into her own. I think now. And well, it's, it's funny because, um, one of the excuses, uh, in the book for her to go through the arches was her time under the sunshine. Yeah. And it's like,

[00:34:50] she's become so much more powerful basically by being forced through all of the trials that she went through. Like she's basically like, uh, like, I think it was actually the ice and I that forced her to go through and be like, Hey, like you are too strong and too experienced in the power for us to leave you as a novice. Like knowing that you could overpower these people, like there's nothing for us to teach you in the power right now. So we're going to,

[00:35:19] we're going to make you accepted. I liked this version of it where she kind of like, as you said, like kind of came into her own and was just like, I'm, this is, this is what I'm doing and, uh, you can't stop me. Yeah. It was great. Um, but it was, what did you want to talk about regarding the arches? I mean, I think just like thinking through, uh, we just get really like a small clip of what she experiences in there. And I'm hopeful.

[00:35:48] And when we got the small clip that we see and then it cuts off and we don't really see how it ends before she emerges covered in blood. Um, but then when she is dreaming later that night, while she's lying in bed with Rand again, we see like a very small, like blip of something that happened in the arches, or I assume it was something that happened in the arches. I didn't think it was like an expansion of that in her dream. I thought it was her dreaming back to something that had happened. And so I am.

[00:36:18] Are you talking about like Rena in the cell? No, I'm talking about, we got this, what there was Rena in the cell, but then it blipped over to this one second of Rand just screaming bow from the river. Oh, right. Yeah. And so I guess I'm hoping that we get like maybe in coming episodes, um, like more flashbacks to see the whole piece of what she had to do. Cause I'm assuming she had to fight Rand, um,

[00:36:47] before she made it out of the arches. And so I'm hoping that we see, like the rest of it. You're the seat and you've got the dragon reborn right here. He's killed his friends. He's mad. And then you hear the way come comes back or the way comes, but, but once, and you have to turn on your sisters and this man that you once loved, like, like, that's rough. Yeah. Yeah. So I do hope we see more of it.

[00:37:14] I thought it was just really interesting to sort of see what it came up with, you know, Eguine as the Amberland sea and like seeing her and Nainave all sort of decked out the way they were. And Rand notably with dark hair, not red hair. It was red. It looked, it looked just like dark to me. It like, it was like, I think it may be there was blood or water on it. Um, but it was like,

[00:37:41] he had long auburn hair. Okay. Um, yeah. Um, and I just like, of course it made me wonder like, is this a real potential like future? Is this just completely the creation of the arches because it's a fear in, um, Eguine's mind of what a possible future could be. Um, I don't know. I just thought it was cool thinking about the possibilities of that.

[00:38:08] And I just wanted to see a little bit more of, of the scene and see what happened. Um, and just, I don't know. I think even it, it fits seeing that. that this was the storyline of the arches of sort of seeing Eguine as the Amberlynn seat. I think just because of the strength that we've seen wrapping up last season and what we've just talked about seeing already from Eguine this season,

[00:38:37] seeing her come into her own and really be not only able to wield all this power, but also have like a strength of spirit that matches it. Um, and I think that was just cool to see her, even if it was just in the arches, kind of in that, you know, ultimate seat of power with the Aes Sedai, um, with her two best friends in tow. Like it was just a powerful moment. And I don't know. I hope we get to see more moments of her being powerful,

[00:39:06] not just in the arches, but like really, because she's a pretty cool character. Yeah. And she is, she is really, really, really good. And to walk out of that, you know, covered in blood. And then to have that moment, like you said, where she turns to Swan and it was just like the tower is destroying itself and I'm not following you. Like you're messing it up. I'm doing what I think is right. It was just really cool. Yeah. So, uh, I was curious where like the bucket of water was because they like when 98 came out, they, they like,

[00:39:36] Hey, you were washed clean of your sins. Oh yeah. You are. I was like, Oh, where's like, she's covered in blood. Like you let her walk out like that. What the what's going on? Uh, but okay. You know, Hey, this time they didn't do it. Like maybe they were like, Hey, we're busy. We have a uprising to, to overcome. Um, so we're not going to mess around with this, but that's, that's cool. It's cool. Maybe the people who normally, um, would bring the bucket are dead from the fight and Sluge had to make sure. Right.

[00:40:06] So I will say that, uh, we got, we got some more names. So all the Aaron, uh, was the, the, the white Aja person who was with, uh, with Leon, Leon, and Swan sending Egwene through the arches. Uh, that was one of the things that I did really enjoy is I got like a bunch more names of characters that I've heard before. Um, and, uh, and so like, I'm like, okay, cool. All right. That's, Hey, I know what they do in the book.

[00:40:35] I don't know if they are going to do something else in the, you know, in the show. I definitely did a lot of pausing on new characters and like, what's this name? And like, Google it. Like, do it, should I know who this is yet? No. Okay. Then I have to be careful when I Google that. I don't get spoiled from like a book storyline. So absolutely. Um, I will say that watching subtitles on was very helpful because a couple of times I was like, what's their name? And what's it? So like,

[00:41:02] I know because of subtitles that, uh, the ones that attacked, um, Swan in the streets were Joya and Amico. We don't know what happened to them, but you know, she, she took care of them relatively easily. Um, but then, uh, yeah, Naomi, let me see. Yeah. I think I got all right. Ches ball was the yellow in the hall. Jane was the green in the hall. Um, Joya was one of the sitters.

[00:41:32] I don't know where Amico was. Um, and then I think that's it. Well, those are the ones that we know for sure. Besides the ones that got, uh, not did not get, you know, besides the ones that got killed or got hurt or whatever. One nice thing on when you're watching on Amazon is if you, you pause on a scene, x-ray, yeah, it'll show you, you know, their actor name and their character name. When you pause on a scene over those characters.

[00:42:00] And that helped me a bunch of times trying to pinpoint who was who, since not only are there a million names, but I also haven't read them in print in a book. So if you're like me, that's like such a great feature. I will say, uh, if you want to go further into the episode, the x-ray features are really, really cool. I haven't explored all the ones for season one yet, or rather for episode one yet, but, uh, and then if you have an opportunity to go back and watch all of the shorts, yes, give a bunch of history of the,

[00:42:29] the wheel of time universe. Like they are really, really good. And, uh, I, I think that they give great background and I think that they are, there's one like on the O'Gear longing. There was one on the, all of the Ajahs. Um, but no, I feel like it's great background and, and I, I would highly recommend they're all animated. So, and they're short, like, it's not like, like it's enough background. So I'm like, Oh, I understand no more. Like what was going on in the show,

[00:42:59] but it's not like reading a history book or something like it's very brief. It's, it's good for non book readers, particularly. I think. You good on the Egwene and the Arches? I'll be honest. Like this is, it's crazy that I have completely shifted my, my, uh, pronunciation of Egwene to from Egween, which is what I always called her when I read the books, to Egwene. Uh, I am used to it now and I'm like, Oh, it's Egwene. All right. That's the way that it is. All right. Cool.

[00:43:28] That's always so weird when you've, you know, read it for years and years, a certain way. And then suddenly it comes out, you know, as a show or movie. And you're like, that's not, that's not how I wanted it to be said. What's funny about that is that there's actually like in the back of the wheel of time books, there's a glossary and it has pronunciation on a bunch of the words and names and stuff. So it's like, it very well could have always been Egwene.

[00:43:57] And I just never just read it that way. Yeah. maybe because it was, you know, whoever, Robert Jordan, like the British way of saying it or whatever. Um, but no, it's a, it's a, it's a basically like a long a instead of a long E. So it's just, just funny and kind of weird. All right. Next, next point. Yeah. Uh, romantic relations. We had a number of them that, uh, seem to happen. Um, which, you know, typically happens, right?

[00:44:25] Like the last night at camp is when everybody hooks up. Yeah. Last night before you split up is, is when everybody, you know, connects. All of that tension beforehand. And then the culmination of, Oh, Hey, we're not going to see each other for a while. So I got to make a move. I mean, it's a little surprising to me that they were on a boat for a month and none of this was happening until the last night that they're in town, but whatever. I'm glad we got to be here for it. So, all right. So there, there were a number of them.

[00:44:54] You want to go ahead and hit me with yours or the ones that you kind of like to, Oh, who don't want to tell you out first though. you know, I love nine, even land. I think they're so sweet. So I'll talk about them. I was really excited to see them like reunited. I loved after the battle that land came rushing into the tower and immediately found her and was relieved that she was not dead.

[00:45:24] And then we just have all these quiet moments with them in the room. Um, I thought it was cool when Egwene was going into the arches that they took a moment to reflect on, you know, that this would probably be stressful and reminding nine of, of her own time in the arches and worrying about what Egwene might, um, sort of experience in there. And it, how her own experience being trapped for what was years to her in the arches, how it has stayed with her.

[00:45:53] And she said some of it's faded, but she still has all these questions about what might've been. And she has these memories still of her daughter, which is heartbreaking. I love that. She shared those with land. Me too. And like, I, uh, let me be very clear. Like in the books, you see none of that. There is not like one, this romance takes like a number of books to get going. You can kind of tell that there's something between them, but like,

[00:46:23] I love that they have kind of accelerated this and you're not just kind of like sitting in limbo. Um, and like, they don't get together until like book seven or eight. It's absolutely bonkers. And, you know, we're talking like an act like 6,000 pages before you're like confirmed, confirmed. Oh yes, we're together. And, and I, I like that we had a season of them kind of getting to know each other and then, you know, growing respect. And then season two, they kind of like, you know, they,

[00:46:51] they hooked up and now it's like, oh no, you're the only woman who I would want to be my queen. Like, it's, it's nice. It's nice to hear. And I think the actors are doing a phenomenal job portraying that. And I think it's sort of a beautiful love story and something we don't often see, which is two people that are very happy about their love for each other and very, it seems like certain about it,

[00:47:18] but also choosing separate paths and both being okay with that, with both things. You know, I think that's really interesting. And like, we saw that sort of somewhat happening with a green and Rand in season one, where Gwain was trying saying, trying to choose a bit of a different path, but it was a struggle point for them, which is sort of what you usually see is that it's more like one wanting to do it, or maybe both,

[00:47:48] but it's this like terribly painful thing. And with Nine Naeve and Lan, it's not easy. They're sad that they can't choose the thing that they both love and choose each other. But I don't know. It's just done, I think in a really beautiful way. And it's not always the love story, the same love story that we get. And I think that's what makes it really beautiful to me and what I'm enjoying about it. But they're both strong, independent people that have love and respect,

[00:48:17] love and respect. Exactly. Exactly. Like, Hey, we, I understand that this is your path. Well, I understand that this is your path. I would love for us to be together, but we've all both got shit going on. And so I can appreciate that you need to make this choice. I'm not going to try to convince you to stay. I'm not going to kind of try to convince you to leave. I'm, we're just going to accept the path that this is what, this is what the wheel has weaved for us.

[00:48:44] And we will enjoy the moments that we're able to enjoy together. I love it. I love it. And, you know, they've both gone deep, I think in what they've shared with each other, really from the get go. I mean, Nynaeve has shared bits about, you know, her loss of her parents. I think she mentioned things early on. She got to meet Land's family at one point in this episode. He talked about that sword and how it had been in his family,

[00:49:14] but how he didn't feel worthy about it. You know, she shared what happened to her in the arches. He gave her that ring. Like you said, I mean, they've, I don't know. It's, it's, I think it's a beautiful and unique love story. I'm loving it. I, I agree with you. Like I, it may not necessarily be unique because I haven't necessarily, because I've seen it before, but like,

[00:49:40] I haven't seen this version of it and I'm really enjoying this version of it. Like I think it's kind of the best way to put it. Um, all right. So Nynaeve and Land, we got, we got them. Uh, I will go with, uh, Rand and Egwene. Nice. So Rand and Egwene is like, I feel like they aren't destined to be together based on what's going on. And that's, you know, it's disappointing, but it's, I,

[00:50:09] it comes back to kind of what you said about Land and Nynaeve that like, they both respect that they want to do things. Although Rand did use like the guilt trip of like last season about like, no, you already left me like, or maybe in season one, you are, you already chose to be a wisdom instead of be with me. But I, I just feel like theirs is like a puppy love.

[00:50:36] It's the high school sweethearts that are trying to make it work when they go off to college, but it's not going to work because they've grown up to be different people. And, you know, potentially destroy the world or the other one is like, yeah, I've got this like power inside me. That's pretty awesome, but I got to figure out how to use it. Also, I was a slave for like a month and it was horrific, horrific, but man, I've got, I've got like a better sense of self for it, which is kind of counterintuitive, but like,

[00:51:05] and also has PTSD and it's getting worse every time Rand touches her. So like not the best, that's hard. Not the best recipe. Yeah. So, so like I, I enjoyed their interaction, but I just, like, just based on what I see on screen, I don't feel like they're going to make it, but I feel like they're both okay with that. I feel like they will both be,

[00:51:34] neither of them needs the other. And I love that independence. But it's going to be painful, I think to lose each other. So, because even though they don't need each other, I think in their heads, they still think they do. They're always going to be a part of each other, but yeah. Yeah. All right. So let's go ahead and move on to the super controversial. And I'll say, um, is Elaine and I don't think it was controversial. It was wonderful. I was so surprised.

[00:52:04] Cause I did not controversial because that is not specifically called out in the books. Um, and the reason that I say controversial, I didn't have any issues with it. I think that the actors and the writers did a phenomenal job, like signposting it. You're like, Oh, these two are totally getting together, but that's not, that's not what I remember from the books. That's weird. But like, it did not bother me at all. Okay. Let me, I'll, I'm going to complain just a little bit.

[00:52:35] I feel like Bane and Chiad or Chiad, who are the other two. I'll women, they do a better job. Like they are good. Like they, they're funny. They're entertaining. They have cool interactions. I feel like the, the actor who's playing Avienda is a little bit stiff. I like that though. I feel like she's supposed to be that, like,

[00:52:59] and maybe that's supposed to feel like we don't like her that much yet because we're going to grow to love her this season is what I think. Maybe that's, but I kind of already love her. But like, I'm just kind of like, man, she's just like, you are no, you know, you are through and through. I'm just like, I, it doesn't sound natural to me. And that's where I kind of struggle with it is that like most of the conversations that we hear seem like they are organic and natural.

[00:53:28] But when she's saying these things, it sounds like she's maybe kind of saying something off of a script. And I, I hate to make that criticism. It's just the way that I feel. And maybe that's just the way that it's supposed to be. Maybe that was the take that they chose. I feel like she's just supposed to be like dry and harsh. And we're not. She's supposed to be formal. She's an onion, right? We got to pull the layers back first. But yeah, that's when, I mean, like I said, like I said, I think they signposted the crap out of it. Oh, have you been watching me?

[00:53:58] Have you been following me? Have you been paying attention to me? Ooh. I mean, I was like, okay. Like, I have to say though, like last season, like when we met Elaine and for some reason, I just really thought that Elaine was going to end up with Rand in a way that caused tension with a queen. Like, I don't know why. I just thought that's what was being set up with her.

[00:54:23] And so that's the only reason that it caught me like completely off guard that this is where this was going. But I thought it was beautiful and fun. So go Elaine, go Alvienda. They, they definitely, I mean, they, they had chemistry. They, they definitely had like the awkward, like, Oh, I'm kind of into you. And I'm kind of into you too. Oh, I'm noticing you into me. I'm like, they very much had that awkwardness and it was very cute to watch. Yeah. And when Elaine said, finally, I was kind of like, well, yes, finally.

[00:54:53] Oh my gosh. Jeez. It took, took a while, but that's why I was like, you were on a boat together for a month and you waited until the last night. Like, okay, poor Elaine's going to have to go back and scrub floors, but at least she'll have Nynaeve, I guess with her. I mean, not, not Nynaeve like that. Like she'll have the memory. Oh no, I just met like, she'll have a friend. Well, it was, it was funny when Nynaeve, you know, we're not even mad, we're talking and she said,

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[00:55:51] Oh, without Egwene and Nynaeve, it'll be lonely. I'm like, oh, you know what? Okay, cool. You get to, you get to hold on to one of your friends. Yeah. all right. Were there any others that I wasn't thinking of? I had just like two little like notes, which was just, we got to see a very brief moment of Moiraine and Swan, where Moiraine came up and saved Swan. Like that was like, when I rewatched episode seven of season two,

[00:56:19] where Swan forced her to close the way gate, like it broke my heart. And then when, at the beginning of the episode, when they're both staring, like Moiraine staring up at the tower and Swan staring down. Yeah. And then when Moiraine, like Moiraine's like, this is the last thing I can do for you. And she saved her life. I mean, it was just, and then Swan sees her, she's like, Oh God, this hurts so much. Yeah. And she just has to walk away too. Yeah. Yeah. That actually, sorry. Good. Oh no.

[00:56:49] Did you have more? No, no, it was something I was moving on to something else. Cause I'm excited to talk about it. Oh, the only other, like, not so much romantic, but just when Matt showed back up after playing maiden's kiss with his throat, all cut up. I thought that was really funny and well done. I think it's Bane. Bane like winks at him on the, on the way out the door. And I'm like, Wayne's like, what, what is going on?

[00:57:21] Matt has come a long way. And I was like, I, I, I liked to see the humble, like, Oh, I did it again. Shit. Um, and like, Oh, you know what? The, I have a couple of lines that I really enjoyed. Like you didn't really actually get to hear it because it was all in the old tongue. Um, but it was, um, uh, I, I swear to her. Oh, here it is. Uh,

[00:57:51] to three village boys from a young, from a mountain town. May we find comfort in the arms of a thousand ginger, uh, ladies. I was like, nice buddy. And then he, right as he was leaving out the door and he's like, did anybody ever notice the white tower is shaped just like, and they all cut them off. Yeah. I thought that was so like cheesy, but also like, it seemed like a very, it seemed like a very like crazy tonal shift.

[00:58:21] And, and I was like, I don't like it. Although Matt's the right person to say it. And I don't necessarily disagree with it. There were some weird tonal shifts throughout this episode. And it's usually coming from Matt. Um, I don't love it, but I'll excuse it. Cause overall I do like his character. He very much is like, in my head, he's the Chandler of the show. So when he says something just off the wall, like I'm like, uh, and then I'm like,

[00:58:51] ah, it's funny. Cause it's Matt. Like I'll excuse it. Um, but, uh, yeah. So between Bane and Matt, that was a really, really funny. Um, and you're like, Oh, well, I guess he got better. Cause he got cut, but there's only one cut on his, on his deck. And, uh, but yeah. So I, I think that, does that wrap up your romantic relations? It does. All right. Now that we've wrapped up point number four, uh,

[00:59:20] I'll go ahead and we'll take a quick break and, uh, we'll come back for a last couple, couple of plot points. All right. So now last couple, last couple of points. Um,

[00:59:50] all right. So the, the night attack. All right. So the night attack had so much going on with it that they're like it, you really had to watch it two or three times to understand precisely what was happening. And then the stuff that was revealed afterwards that, you know, it was like planned and, and then, but also something unexpected. It was just absolutely insane. Yeah. And it was also really dark. So that also made it difficult to know his grime.

[01:00:20] And, you know, on my third watch, like, I don't know if the first watch I was just taken, there was a lot happening. I was taking so much in, but there were so many things that were like obvious that I just did not understand. And on my third watch, it was like, there were these conversations that happened before this attack that, it should have made it blatantly obvious to me what was going on.

[01:00:45] And I still like did not notice that conversation literally until the third time I watched the episode. But like, Lanfear, as much as said directly to Moiraine and Lan that this is what she was going to do, Lan and Moiraine said they were going to like let it play out. And yet I still watched them sitting in the room like, what the heck is going on? Why are they not going to help? Like it still like did not align for me. So I don't know if I'm the only one, but yeah,

[01:01:15] I feel like there were just so many pieces of this that were like, what is going on? What is going on? What is going on? And then like aha moments where I finally all clicked into place. I do understand that. Like, and again, on second or third watch, you do pick up that like lands, like pacing around, like he's like, Moiraine is just sitting like all serene, not serene necessarily, but like obviously meditative or something. Like just trying to,

[01:01:45] yeah. And she's just like, you know what? I just have to bear my weight. This, this is like, this is like listening to sleep training. If I just listen to my kids scream, I'm going to be okay. And you know, it's, it's all for the best. And like, now that I say that, that actually seems really appropriate. It's like, you know what? This is for their own good. This is going to get me what I need and get Rand where he needs to go and all that. So just add for context, right? So land fear and Moiraine and basically said,

[01:02:16] Hey, this is how we can get them to split apart from each other and get Rand to go to tier where he can get calendar. Like we both want them to, and not take the other kids with them. We will basically make them think they forsaken or after them, which I guess one of the first second is kind of after them, but like the first, they can have quote unquote found them. Right. So we have three separate things that land fear specifically does.

[01:02:44] One was Rand's mirrors and mirror images that came out to eventually stab Egwene. Egwene, excuse me. Look at that. Wow. As much as I talk about it. And then we have Perrin and the axe that, so let me be, this is, it's not really a spoiler, but this is almost directly out of the books. Oh, cool. It's not,

[01:03:12] it's not in this location and it's not for the reasons that are listed in the show, but it's almost directly out of the books. And it's kind of like, Oh, that's how they did this where they made it like, kind of like make a little bit more sense and make it seem more logical and plot driven as opposed to, as opposed to just random stuff. Cause that's kind of what it was in the books. Um, but there was definitively a like Perrin fighting an axe.

[01:03:42] Um, there was mere, there were mirror images of Rand and him fighting them. Which was really kind of pretty cool. Like it was, I thought it was actually really, really well done. And the, and then like when, when Egwene like destroys the mirror and she's like, Oh my God, like this, that's crazy. And like, and then like, as so he picks up a knife and then his next ear mirror image comes out with a knife. I was like, it was really, really well detailed. It was, it was really, I thought it was put well, put well,

[01:04:11] put together very well and creepy too. Yes. And then, uh, the card and then the cards, the cards that were the heroes that Matt called from the horn. Um, the, the dude with the sword and then the chick with the arrow, the bow and arrow, and then the, uh, samurai esque lady. Yeah. Um, and then they're like cutting it. And it was like, if the stuff with nine Yave, which we found out was not land fear yet, but a gray man.

[01:04:41] And then, you know, we eventually learned that was, that was Mogherine. Mogherine. Something like that. Yeah. uh, if not for the, like the stabbing of nine Yave, like you'd be like, that's really weird. These cards are super creepy. Like they don't feel like they're any, I'm in any danger or anything. It's just, are you seeing this? This is crazy. Yeah, it was, that would,

[01:05:09] that would have been sort of anticlimactic without nine Yave being, uh, attacked. Yeah. It was just, I thought it was weird to like, Hey, there's nothing real danger. I'm just like hallucinating these crazy, this crazy shit with the cards being cut up. Uh, that did maybe I do that. Cause I was shit housed out of my head. Um, I don't know. No, I thought it was, I thought this set up to like Moiraine deciding to trust land fear was

[01:05:35] interesting because it really started with Varen talking to Moiraine prior to that conversation and basically being like, because I was betrayed by Naomi, you should also trust no one and Rand will betray you, which I don't think is wrong for her to like reflect on this betrayal that happened right under her nose and being like, Hey, we really need to be cautious going forward. But it really like set,

[01:06:04] I feel like that conversation set Moiraine up to trust land fear. And I just had to question if this is really the best tactic to, try to break up, you know, the people from brand because their reasoning is that they're sort of holding Rand back from who he needs to become all of his, you know, childhood friends, which, okay, like possibly,

[01:06:29] but if what you're so worried about with Rand is him going down the wrong path of him, you know, going mad with the power is separating him from the things that tie him most closely to his humanity, to love, to the light, to who he is, is cutting him off from those people really the best approach to getting like to the end. And to me,

[01:06:57] this seems like a tremendous mistake. I don't know. May I offer a counterpoint? Yes. Have you seen the movie frozen? Mm-hmm. Okay. So, we discover that Elsa has powers. Right? And then she accidentally hurts her sister with them. Mm-hmm. And then they go to the trolls and they say, hey, like, you got to be careful and, you know, fear will be your enemy and, and all that.

[01:07:27] And what's the solution? The solution is to lock the girl with powers in isolation so that she doesn't have anyone to support her and that, like, she basically, you turn her into a ticking time bomb. Mm-hmm. So, I'm not saying these are like parents of the year. I'm just saying that I can appreciate where

[01:07:52] you think that you've got the right idea and you're actually like way out of left field. Yeah. You're like so far out of like, hey, I need him to become colder. I need him to become like the dragon reborn. But what you really need or what we think that, you know, we, what we infer that you really need is for him to stay connected to people and have that care for people,

[01:08:20] which will temper the madness that you've seen that Loghain was able to resist for a long time. But they don't see it that way. They think to themselves, I have to focus him as a tool to fight the dark one. And that means tempering the steel as opposed to giving kindness and like giving empathy. And what is it?

[01:08:47] I think I don't remember who it was that I saw it recently. It was like the death of empathy is, is like the, the end of the human race or something like that. Yeah. No, but seriously. And, and like, and like empathy is, is what will allow people to be decent, even with large amounts of power. Yeah. And if you don't have that, if you isolate yourself from empathy,

[01:09:14] then you're really just kind of effing yourself in the A or maybe effing everybody else in the A. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I agree with you to long, long story short is I agree with you. That's a bad move. But it is a reasonable move. Like, I get your point. Like, yeah, it is, you can see the rationale behind it. And I'm just like, no, these are all the people that are going to like keep him strong in the right ways. But okay. Yeah.

[01:09:41] That was a diversion from actually talking about the, the fight, but. Well, and I think that land fear has a very specific point. She wants to turn Rand into Luz Theron, which means stripping away any friends, stripping away anything except for what the dragon is. I agree. I think land fear, this tactic makes total sense, but for Moiraine's ends, for what she wants ran to accomplish, I think she's making a big mistake,

[01:10:10] not only by trusting land fear, but by trying to get him away from his friends to quickly, you know, rush him to. So again, counterpoint. What is Moiraine's Aja? Blue. Blue, right. Which is purpose, right? It's, it's all about you find a purpose and you dedicate, she's dedicated. They talked about it right last season. Oh, you would have liked Moiraine before she,

[01:10:39] but you before 20 years ago, Alana, I believe said that she said she was a different person. She would have, you know, she was fun. She was, you know, happy. She was whatever. But ever since then, she has just been focused on one thing. And I think that's where her, her individual viewpoint really starts to fail as a part of the idea of the dragon. Like, Hey, I was able to go find the dragon. I spent literally 20 years,

[01:11:07] the entire time that, you know, since, since guitarist that I, you know, had the foretelling, I spent that long making sure that I could find the dragon. That's what he needs to do. And he's a strip out of way, everything except for that purpose of defeating the dark one. Yeah. So again, from both of their points of view, I understand why that answer makes sense. Yeah. But as a outsider looking in, then you go,

[01:11:33] you're stripping away everything that makes him connected to humanity and gives him a reason to defend or save the world as opposed to destroy it. Yeah. It was scary that moment when he looked at Moiraine, when she was talking to him and kind of telling him, you need to become the draggy to become who you're supposed to be. And he was kind of like, you can't tell me what to do. And it was like this mix of, uh,

[01:12:00] like a lot of what felt very immature because that moment she was trying to offer him counsel. She wasn't really even dictating to him what to do. And it felt, it felt so petulant and it's scary to see that petulance combined with the amount of power he has. I think you misinterpreted that. I think you misinterpreted that. But I think what he said was, you don't tell me what to do anymore. Not, you can't tell me what to do anymore.

[01:12:30] You don't tell me what to do anymore. You haven't given me directives. You're asking me, where do I want to go? What do I want to do? You're asking me, you're not instructing me anymore. You are inquiring of me. And that is a tonal shift from Moiraine of the past to Moiraine of the present. And I read it differently. Maybe I'd read it differently. And maybe, and maybe you go back and watch that scene,

[01:12:59] but he specifically said in my, I believe I'm remembering correctly. You don't tell me what to do anymore. Not as like a, you don't tell me what to do anymore, but huh, you don't tell me what to do anymore. And he didn't expound on it, which I love. I absolutely love. Cause they're treating us like a smart audience. They're treating us like, Hey, read between the lines. I'm not telling you what to do anymore because I don't have the power over you. You have proclaimed yourself dragon.

[01:13:29] Your choices are your own. And I am here to guide you, to advise you, but not to direct you. Except where I want you to go. I'm going to go rewatch it. It's not how I interpreted it, but that is the way he phrased it for sure. And that's an interesting, but that's an interesting like phrasing. Yeah. I'm going to go like rewatch it. That's interesting. I don't know.

[01:13:59] Yeah. So, uh, I, I will say that regarding live here, like, do you really think I'll hurt them in order to like, get him to do what I want? Uh, yes, absolutely. The only reason I like you. The only thing I like about you. I thought it was a great line. I thought it was funny. I'm wearing to like, even post that question when I was like, absolutely. You would like, that's who you are. Not because you're like a bad person,

[01:14:24] but because you are purpose driven and you will do whatever means to get to an end are required. I'm sorry. Were you not the one who sent that one lady off towards the city as bait for me to go catch and murder? Um, I'm just curious. Like, yes, I think I know you. Duh. You know, as, as Michael Scott would say, sometimes the ends justify the mean. And I think that's what I'm wearing.

[01:14:54] Uh, does too. Yeah. The, uh, let me see. Um, other stuff. I thought it was pretty awesome. Like when it queen, I mean, when Nynaeve did finally call out for land, that that's when he broke. Yeah. She said land. He was like, she was like, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Land. Oh, I'm there. Oh shit.

[01:15:24] And, uh, and the daggers that land was staring at Moiraine as she was healing. Oh, Nynaeve. Cause he was like, I know we shouldn't have trusted land fear. Like, how dare you? Why are we going? why did we wait so long? Yeah. Complete. Again, back to, she was stabbed 11 times. Yeah. What the fuck are you doing? What? 11 times. Yeah. Oh, but, uh, yeah, that, and then like, oh, eventually, uh, you know,

[01:15:54] mirror ran, stabbed Egwene in the stomach. And like, no one's messing around with it. Like everybody, like, I feel like now we can't trust any wound that anybody ever takes because everybody can always be fine. Oh yeah. Yeah. You're healed. Oh, you're, everybody basically died. And now you've healed everybody. And I get that there is a little bit of a, like they kind of set a precedent for that with the cave in Nanyave, but like,

[01:16:24] but some people died at the cave too, you know, like not everybody made it out. And like, remember how bad, I mean, I know it was because we didn't have access to the power, but like Moiraine was almost on her deathbed in season one from the Trolloc,, um, injury. And it was just like, it, things that lead injuries at least felt like a risk. And now suddenly it feels much, much less risky.

[01:16:53] And I wish they weren't like, it's fine. Some of that, but I wish it wasn't so like fast and loose how they've been playing with it. It does feel very fast and loose with the healing and the, Oh, literally anything is healable. One of the things, and I don't want to be that guy, but I'm going to be that guy in the book is that healing. The energy for healing came from the victim, from the person being healed. It didn't come from the, the ice and I using the power. So like,

[01:17:23] it's like, Oh gosh, they're on their deathbed. I can only risk healing them a little bit because if I go too hard, then they might die. See, I like that. Cause it makes it a little more challenging. Like I just need there to be a little more risk to it. And you could still end up bringing people slowly back from the end. You can recover, but like, it's not like, Oh, basically dead healed. Basically dead healed. Oh, yo,

[01:17:52] her throat was slashed, but she has a heartbeat. So I like, I did. Well, Oh my God. Like, seriously, like nothing is like, it's not that every wound has no cost. Yeah. Sorry. It, it bugged me a bit that the healer, the fast and loose with healing and the fast and loose with stupid defending, really irritated me. Yeah. All right. Do it. I think we wanted to talk about, all right. So we talked about the cards.

[01:18:21] We talked about Leandrin and the gray man. We talked about red in the mirrors. We didn't talk about Perrin and the, the ax. Yeah. I thought this was really cool. Like, I really liked the random, like, Oh God, there's an ax. And it's just flying around and almost like, it ended up in Perrin's chest. I was like, what? Like, Oh my God, there's no way he could possibly recover. Again. Or that knife wound or that. Yeah. Again, a lot of stabby stabby with no consequences.

[01:18:51] And then, but then loyal taking it and then like throwing it out the, the door into Bane and she had, and then like they struggle. And then it's almost like, like I said earlier, like we almost had a manufacturer, a reason for them to have to go with Perrin and loyal. Yeah. And like, Hey, and, and in context, it makes sense. That's okay. Like, I'm okay with that, but it was like, Oh, like that. And like when loyal, when the dagger was,

[01:19:21] or then the, the, the hatchet was coming down on Bane or Cheia's face. And like, he caught it. I was like, that's a bad motherfucker right there. Like, like he was being dragged around by it earlier, but he like taught it, stopped it, slammed it into the floor, smashed the handle. Like God damn dude. Like Jesus. It was a bad motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool to get to see him. Who's, I mean, he just feels like an ent to me from Lord of the Rings. Right.

[01:19:51] Like he's like slow and wise and ha ha. You silly young things. You humans are so hasty. Why do we always have to leave at dawn? That went out after a hearty breakfast. I love loyal. He's a great character. And I think that, and I don't remember the guy's name, uh, Hamad or Hamed. Uh, I don't remember his name, but he, I think he's doing a great job. I think that the, maybe the makeup is a little bit less,

[01:20:20] less successful this season. Yeah. Um, but like, I, I love his, uh, his tone and his, uh, like his, I love his portrayal. I think he's great. It's really fun. But back to stab with a dagger at the end of last season and he'll, he'll, I mean, mother. What is happening? You know, I don't know. I'm going to have to overlook it, I guess, but yeah, I'm don't get me wrong.

[01:20:50] I'm glad to have loyal. I'm glad to have loyal. I'm thoroughly glad to have him, but it's just kind of like, I do remember us talking about it. They do the last season. Like, no, yes, yes. He's alive. It's okay. He's going to be okay. But it's like mother, what is happening? Yeah. Okay. Um, all right. So I think we have recovered, covered the night attack for everything you want to talk about. Yep. I got it. Okay. Um, the last one that, uh,

[01:21:18] the last point that we want to talk about is I, we refer to it as the, the parting of the ways and why everybody is doing what they're going to do. Um, so everybody's going to break into like three sections. They're all going to go in different, different directions. So I have it listed right here in my notes. So nine Yave, Matt and Elaine are all sticking around at the white tower, uh, nine Yave because she can't access the source without, you know,

[01:21:47] without being what she can't do it by, you know, by, uh, will. Right. Or, uh, Elaine, because she doesn't want to break a generations long tradition or alliance with the white tower and and, or because otherwise you'll be in your novice whites tomorrow. Okay, cool. And then Matt's like, this shit's fucking me up. Like I can't sleep. I can't do anything. Um,

[01:22:15] all I can hear is that it's fighting, but then maybe it was real or it was real. It's all like the old tongue. I have all of these, what I'm assuming are all these past lives in my head all happening at the same time. And I can't get control of them. So 90 days, crazy healer. So I think she can help me. Yeah. I thought it was neat. The moment where she sort of reminded him like, Hey, I was your wisdom in the village. Like I'm still that, like,

[01:22:45] I can help you with this. You have to tell someone what is going on in there. Her, her line about like, I can never like medicine or poison. I don't sometimes it's the same thing. She's like, the, the, the difference is, is the, what is it? The quantity? No, it's the dosage and the, and the wisdom's patience. I was like, that's pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah. It was really good. I think that also might be out of the book, but I just don't remember.

[01:23:15] It's been a long time for, for this, but, uh, it's, it sounds like a, a book line. Yeah. Um, you know, I think it was like with Perrin, I mean, it just, from the very beginning of the episode, it felt like he was ready to run away. Like actually at the very beginning of the episode, I thought it was telling, um, when you rewatched and I'm like more in tune to the subtle things that are going on that at the very beginning of the episode, they all agree.

[01:23:44] We're going to stay together. Like that's how the episode opens is them sort of discussing things and saying, no, we're all in it together. And then we end the episode with them splitting up, which was like, you know, nice little foreshadowing right at the beginning. But I mean, Perrin, his very first thing out of his mouth in the episode, I think is suggesting that they run away to where no one has heard of the dragon, which everyone immediately is like, what are you talking about, dude? Like, this is going to be everywhere. Where is it that no one's heard of the dragon? Um,

[01:24:13] but it was just sad. I mean, like he's obviously in a very different way dealing with PTSD from really having to do violence of any kind. And it's all circling around, you know, his flashbacks to the battle scene at the end of last season. But I'm sure it's impossible in his head when he's swinging that axe in his memory into other people for not to like hit him. The memory of his wife also. Right. Um,

[01:24:42] and so like, I guess, I mean, that's where we end the episode is that he's going to go back home. Right. So just to stay or. Yeah. Parent, parent, I feel is like he's the, I'll say the archetype of like the tragic hero. He's the, the one who only has regrets for everything that he's ever had to do. Um, I, this isn't for me. I, the,

[01:25:10] the best thing for me to do would be to not be here wherever the conflict is. I need to get away from it because all I do is hurt other people or whatever. Like, I feel like he's a classic archetype of that. Yeah. And, and it's one, it is endearing. Uh, because you're like, Hey, I totally wish that I could be that person. Right. Like I, I wish that if I was in that situation, I would have the understanding to say, Hey,

[01:25:39] like I don't want to cause more hurts. I don't want. But if I just avoid all of the conflict, then maybe we and everybody else can survive because I don't know how I'll react to it. I can totally appreciate that. Um, for a long time, he was my favorite character in the books. Um, and it's not that he became like a bad character. It was just other people, other, other characters kind of, uh, evolved.

[01:26:09] And it's, it's funny because the books are so long. it's like at this point in the books, my favorite character is this person. At the end, my favorite character is this person. It's like, Oh man, like it's, it's such a wild ride over so many years. And, um, and, but Perrin was absolutely, he's the one that I always identified with because it was always, he's bigger than everybody else. He's stronger than everyone else. He could accidentally hurt someone, um,

[01:26:38] all the time. And, and, and like, I, I feel for him because he feels like that, like he could avoid it. All of these things are avoidable if you just do whatever. Right. Yep. Um, so yeah, no, I, it is a, it is kind of a tragic thing. And yeah, he's like, Hey, you know what? I can't do this. I can't, I can't,

[01:27:04] I can't be the hero that you need me to be in support of the dragon reborn. I have to go home and I'll go home and I'll try to do what I can to take care of the farm and Matt's sisters and, you know, all of the things. Um, and I, there's, there's a, there's an ability to that, right? There's a, there's a, a self-sacrifice to that. There's always one child that sticks close to the parent. That, you know, takes care of them in their old days. There's always a,

[01:27:34] a noble aspect to that, but it still sucks. Like it still is hard to, to do that. Um, you know, you are, you are closing off your life for the sacrifice of, Hey, I'm going to go back home. I'm going to take care of everybody's family and make sure everybody's okay. And like this, I mean, and then there's just kind of a bonus that loyal Bane and she had, I was going to say, I mean, it makes me feel better knowing that they're all going.

[01:28:03] Cause I think that makes me know that parents, not just going to go home and do nothing. Why would you have these other exciting characters with you? And you're, you know, what seemed to be his permanent yellow eyes. Now, if something exciting wasn't going to continue to happen with you. right. Um, yeah, I, I, as I said, I have like that, I totally understand not. I totally understand that inner struggle of like being friends with the dragon newborn because like, that's not me, but I, wait, what?

[01:28:33] I thought you knew the dragon. Um, like, so it's funny because one of the reasons that I have, I've always identified with parent is that like in my personal life, I've never felt like the hero of my own story. I've always felt like a side character. I've always felt like, um, you know, if I was in the zombie apocalypse, I'd be the person who died like 12 minutes in, like give teaching a lesson to someone else because, Oh, don't do that. Cause that guy just died. Like that's,

[01:29:00] but that's always the way that I felt about myself. And as I've gotten older and gotten to myself a little bit better over the last 10 years or so, like I feel like I've, I've become closer to not necessarily the Rand character, but maybe, maybe closer to Matt. Um, where it's like, Hey, maybe it's not the best. I'm not saying I'm perfect. I'm just saying it's like you, you move away from the, Hey, I'm just like,

[01:29:28] I'm not even the main character in my story. You're, you're like, Hey, you know what? I can do stuff on my own and I don't need other things. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so like, I, I always identified with Perrin as a kid or when I was, you know, a teenager and, um, he's not going to not have anything to do. Just, just to, you know, I mean, I assumed,

[01:29:55] but like Perrin is not going to go back and he's just going to go back to his home life in the two rivers. I assumed not, but I feel like that's what he hopes he's doing right in this moment. Right. Absolutely. Um, and then the last group, I'm sorry, did you want to cover anything else with Perrin Boyle and, uh, Banshee had, okay. Yeah. Bane Bane's going. And then she has like, I go where she goes. I'm like, I dig it. I dig it. Yep. Um,

[01:30:25] and then, uh, and then Rand, Moiraine, Lan, Egwene, and Avienda are all going to the Aiel waste to go find the army that he must find. Because like very specifically, like Avienda said, hundreds of thousands of Aiel are waiting for the Karakarn. Like that sure as fuck sounds like an army to me. Uh, like, yeah. Like it's, oh, you're saying the people of the dragon, uh, have to show up to the stone tier, but I need an army.

[01:30:55] You have hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah. That sounds good to me. Like let's, let's do that. It's like a good fit. Like let's do this. Then do that. Then we'll get the sword in the stone. Then we'll take down the army. Um, literally the sword in the stone. Yes. Yeah. Um, well played, sir, ma'am, whatever. Um, but, uh, yeah. So, so like, you know, obviously Avienda says, Hey, I'm, you're the Karakarn or you're supposed to be the Karakarn. So you're,

[01:31:25] I'm going to follow you. Uh, Egwene's like, I'm with you to the end. Yeah. But maybe not the end. Um, and then obviously my reign's like, Hey, I go where you follow or wherever you go. I follow. Um, because in my viewpoint, she's like, uh, you know what? You make your own choices. And I just try to advise you as I can. And lands like, I go where she goes. Um, so as, uh, I, like I said, I liked it. I like, I,

[01:31:54] I like how we can split apart and make full storylines. Even in the episode, it's crazy because like, even in the episode, they, they're like, Oh, Matt and parent and Randall, like, Hey, we're going to go to the bar. And everybody else is like, Oh, cool. Like Egwene or rather Elaine's going to go send some shit off to Morgase and to, uh, to tear. And, Oh, Hey, Avienda. What's up? And, uh, Egwene's like, Oh, I gotta go to the arches and name on you even land. I'm like, Oh, Hey, we gotta go chill out. And it's,

[01:32:24] you know, with his new sword. And it, it, it just makes sense, especially for a cast this large to break them apart so that you can have their individual stories and their own individual character arts. But it's also cool when they're all in the room, right? Like it's like when they were all in the room, it was like, yes, Oh, we're going to talk about this. And, we're each only going to have one line at a time, but yeah, no, I do. I do like it.

[01:32:54] Um, I think at one point or another, I was like, Oh, it's bullshit when people aren't together or whatever. But like, I do appreciate the split apart, pull together, split apart, pull together. It definitely, the payoff is nice. I think. Uh, I will say that like at the end of literally every book of the 14 books, people would come together and yeah, everyone, people would show up in the same place and something crazy would happen.

[01:33:23] And then like some people would die and some people would live and some people would be changed forever or whatever. And then they would, you know, and then like you get to the next book and it's like, Oh, it's been four months or whatever. And you just kind of like, see what has happened. And then, but as you are consuming those books and that was literally me, I was just consuming the books. I was spending a year rereading, you know, eight, nine, 10, 12 books. And then I would consume one in like four days.

[01:33:51] I'm talking about 800 to a thousand pages. And I'd be like, Oh my God, I just need it. I just need it in my head. Yes. No, totally know that feeling. I'm still holding off. Like I got the audio books and then I decided just to like, hold off until I'm done podcasting on the show. So I can continue to be like blind to it. But I do think when the show is finally over, like I'm really going to want to dig into the books. Cause they just, the world building sounds so amazing. I mean,

[01:34:21] I will say that, like the, the, the world building is huge. Like there is so much, but I have to admit like it is slow. I will say the first like five or six books are, I would even say seven books are phenomenal. Like eight, nine, 10. I think book 10 is the one that I get to. I'm just like, Oh God. Like I just dragged. But then when Brandon Sanderson took over in 12, 13, 14,

[01:34:50] it was like, it was, he was like, okay, we're going to tie up this loose end. We're going to tie this loose end. And boom, last battle. Holy shit. We're here. All right. Jesus. Nice. But yeah, it's awesome. Nice. Um, all right. So that was our last point. At this point, I failed and, uh, I did not put up like a feedback post or anything because I've been busy with life. Um, but we're going to put up a feedback post. We're going to, to,

[01:35:18] to see if anybody can wants to, to reply on, uh, on episodes two and three. Um, and then I'll hop back into the wheel of time group that I was in to see if they have any feedback with regard to it. Um, hopefully there, I'm still a part of the group. I think I am. I don't know. We'll see how Facebook is treating me at that point. It's crazy. It's been almost two years. Like it, it's bonkers that it's been almost two years that we were waiting for this to come out. But I, I,

[01:35:45] I really feel like the first episode really kind of gave us a lot of great stuff. I do too. I have like two little notes that I didn't get to mention that I want to mention because they're funny. Matt points. Oh, yeah, good. one was like a little bit of foreshadowing as right as they go out to go drinking. Matt makes some joke about the ideal girls. And, um, Rand says to him, you're going to get yourself speared. And he says,

[01:36:15] oh, I hope so. And then later in the episode, he literally gets, he literally gets speared. And then something else right at the end, you know, Matt had had those stupid photo or those stupid paintings done of himself that are ridiculous. And he sends the one with, um, Perrin to go back for his sisters. And they're like, they laugh and they're like, oh, it doesn't even look like you, which is funny because he's like drawn as this like ridiculous hero at the horn of Lear or whatever.

[01:36:44] But it also made me laugh so hard because he will not look like that to his sisters because in season one, when he last saw his sisters, he was a different actor. That is really funny. So it really made me chuckle. And I just wanted to share it. Um, but those are my only two like little notes that I had. Actually, we actually, what we could do is we can make a little, a little section at the end. It's just like Matt quotes. We really should, I think. Cause I mean, my God, seeing double and staying single. Yes. That was a good one.

[01:37:13] And when I called out what he talked about, uh, the white, the comment about the white tower, like a massive, uh, yep. Um, and then, Oh, I do want to actually, I'll just say quotes. Like I believe, I believe I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I believe that these were right. Ripped from the book. My rain to land. What will you do when your two rivers run red? What will you do when, when the waters are bloated with the bodies of your family and friends? I was like,

[01:37:44] that's again, that sounds like a book quote. And she like Rose of and Pike made it sound natural. It made it sound. She made it sound impactful. It was, I thought, I thought she did an amazing job like portraying that visualization. It was really good. I had one other quote written down that I like, it feels like it may have come from the book, but I felt like, uh, you know, I don't know.

[01:38:11] One of those like pivotal moments where as they're leaving and I nave, who I think in this episode, like when she reasserted herself as the wisdom to me, like reminded me that she is a wisdom. Right. And as she was saying goodbye to rant, she said, remember who you are Randall Thor, no matter who you become. And I thought that was like one very on theme for this episode where we're talking about Rand needing to become the dragon and leave who he was behind, but how wise of nine nave to tell him,

[01:38:41] remember who you are, because that's exactly, I think what he needs as he becomes who he needs. You're right. I believe you're right. I believe that was directly from the book. Uh, I, I couldn't necessarily tell you what that was. I'm just going to see if I have any notes left. Um, I'll tell you what, Rina and, uh, Egwene's dreams, terrifying. Like, especially with all the flashes. Oh my gosh. Yes. Like, especially what she went through.

[01:39:11] Um, and then the, the portrait, there's not enough ale in the world to deal with this. And the portrait of Rand and Ishmael and above foam. Uh, I'm going to say something for the book readers. This is very specifically for the book readers. They were playing the game of snakes and foxes. No one has any idea what I'm talking about. Unless you've read the books that is significant. Uh, or it was significant in the books. That was the board game they were playing. They're like moving snakes and foxes. Huh? Cool.

[01:39:41] Um, I loved how ballsy Egwene was, um, talked about that. And yeah, I think that, uh, I think I've basically covered everything. Like this was, so much fun talking with you about this. I know. I know. I'm very excited. I, I had one friend who in the interim between last season,

[01:40:11] this one hopped on board and watched season one and season two. And it was so fun to talk with her as she was like, sort of like barreling through them. But yeah. Um, I've just been really dying for season three. I do just like, I didn't, I only talked about it at the beginning, but we found out that mug Heidi and was the one that made the gray man. And like, when she was talking to her at the end, like when she was like, I'm freezing your blood and she's got the little thing between her fingers.

[01:40:41] I will say in a friend of mine, I was watching a episode one with, I think it was for the second time. Um, Penny, I was talking to Penny and I was watching with her and she was like, the visuals of the one power are actually really, really good. And like when she was holding that little strand and she's just like, this is your blood. Like, I swear to God, the mug hitting into me is Bjork. Like it's, I'm freezing your blood. And, oh, Haikim, Haikim, do you want to be gray? No, I don't want to be gray.

[01:41:11] Do you want to be gray? I don't want to be gray. I don't want to be gray. I don't want to be gray. Oh, good. Okay. Yes. I want to be gray. Oh, okay. Well, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. And you were after the, in the, my friend, uh, like you, you're, you're, you're done. Um, I will say that what, what could you tell me what by his clothing, what he was in whatever life he's in? No,

[01:41:36] but I looked up his name and found who he had been associated with. Okay. Well, I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it out. You know? So, uh, Jaisen Carradine was a white cloak, dark friend in the book. Uh, obviously he was a dark friend in this position, so I'm not going to not spoiling anything. Um, this is not the path that he was on, uh, in the books,

[01:42:06] but, um, maybe like, I can't fathom that he would follow what he had in the books because this isn't something that like you go, is this is something you come back from when your blood is frozen, your blood is frozen, your soul is sucked out. And you're like, Oh yeah, now I'm a gray man. Oh shit. Um, Lisa. So my kid is, is I, I am really looking forward to, uh, and,

[01:42:35] and I kind of covered this in my, my breakdown of, of, of stuff. Um, but I'm really looking forward to seeing who the other forsaken are because, um, there are eight forsaken in the show. There were 13 forsaken in the, uh, in the books. So I'm really interested to see which ones are excluded. I've got an idea and I've talked with some of my friends who are other also big wheel of time book fans, um, about which ones, uh,

[01:43:04] could be possible to show up. So looking forward to it. Yeah. I, uh, I want to meet more. I am very creeped out by, uh, Mogadian. Mogadian. I call her Mogadian. Yeah. Mogadian. She's super creepy. Uh, and the act, the actor is phenomenal in making her creepy. Like when she stuck her fingers in the dude's mouth and like, yeah. Oh dude. Like that is so fucking creepy. Oh my God. I mean, even that,

[01:43:34] like, because she's supposed to have like, I mean, she's supposed to be a little bit spidery. Right. I mean, that's the point. Like even that, like say your fingers in the mouth that way, like something about that still, like maybe think of like spider fangs. Like, I don't know. Like even that, even though that wasn't what she was doing, it still like emulated the feeling you're supposed to get from her. It's like super creepy spider vibes. And. Oh, she, yeah, she's like,

[01:44:01] she is phenomenal in whatever she's portraying. She is amazing because like, uh, Oh my God. Yeah. Malchydian creepy as fuck. Yep. but all right, well, that is our show. And I feel like this went for on for a really, really long time, but I also think we kind of, uh, we kind of like reveled in being back in the world.

[01:44:30] And it was awesome to spend this time with you, Veronica. And thank you everybody for, for listening. Uh, all four of you. Um, if you'd like to write in, uh, I know we didn't do it this time, but if you'd like to write in and, uh, record a message or you can send it in. And like I said, I'm going to hop on the Facebook, uh, stuff again. Um, we, uh, we're, we're at, uh, talk. You can send an email to talk at podcast. Dot. Com.

[01:45:00] Yeah. Or you can come check out our super active Facebook page at facebook.com slash podcast. And there's lots of exciting chat going on on the page usually, but you can also join like little private show chats and things. And we didn't get Greg, right. You didn't get a feedback post up for this one, but we're going to try for future ones to have. Sorry. Sorry to try to interrupt you. It's like thought pops into my head.

[01:45:29] I feel like I have to say it. Um, but yeah, so like, uh, I, I, I failed in this situation. I, I knew that we were going to re-recording this weekend and I forgot. Um, but, um, by all means send in an email for a season or for episode two or episode one or episode two or episode three and, and we'll include it in the podcast. Uh, I am, as I said, like, I'm so glad to be back in this world and it's like, it's like we never left. Yeah. In all honesty,

[01:45:59] it's, it's phenomenal. And I'm really, really enjoying it. Same, same. Very, very glad to be back. Um, so next time in this podcast, uh, we will be covering the wheel of time season three, episode two, a question of crimson. Under if that's crimson hair, crimson hair, crimson. Yeah. Ooh. So what maybe? Yeah. Oh yeah. All right. Well, that's our show.

[01:46:29] Let the dragon ride again. On the winds of time.

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