Episode 107: LOST EPILOGUE "The New Man in Charge"

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmmmmm... Dude... Early... It's great to see you, Walt. I kept hoping... One day somebody would come back for me. I thought I was crazy. You're not crazy, dude. Not even close. You just need to get back to the island, that's all.

[00:00:36] That's where you belong, it's where you've always belonged. Why? I want to talk to you about a job. All right, Ben. Let's get out of here. It's time for us all to go home. Welcome to another episode of the Revisited Podcast. I'm Ben. And I'm Kristen.

[00:01:40] This week we are covering no season, no episode, man in charge. New man in charge. Hop in the spaceship with us and let's see where we go. The epilogue to the series finale. Yes, epilogue season zero, episode zero epilogue, new man in charge.

[00:02:05] Yeah, so this is going to be a rather quick episode as we had a very lengthy series finale episode. So we figure we'll give you guys a little bit of a break and keep this one a little shorter, especially considering the short is only 11 minutes long.

[00:02:23] So it doesn't really make a lot of sense to spend an hour to an hour and a half. I'm not doing it, Ben. I know. I'm not doing it either. It's fine. And this is a nice little kind of calm down before we head into Ted Lasso.

[00:02:40] Before we head to England. Before, yeah, before we start heading to football is life. Football is life. Football is life. So I love this episode mainly because I feel like it was a pitch for a spin off that I would have 110 percent watched.

[00:03:01] So the interesting thing I want to make mention of this too is that you, this was your first time seeing this. Yeah. And then we watched it together. Yes. For a second time. So you watched it for the, you watched it twice within a day of each other.

[00:03:18] Within an hour of each other. Was it within an hour? Okay. I wasn't sure it was that rather that quick. Yeah. You watched it for the first time and then we watched it again together because it was only again, it's only 10 minutes.

[00:03:31] So we were able to watch it together. And I love the fact because you're absolutely right. I've seen this a number of times, but I even said to you when we were watching this together, I stopped at one point and I was like, God, Michael Hammerstein is such

[00:03:45] an amazing actor. He was excellent in this. And what I love is that this is such a great Ben that we see. He's settled, he's confident, he knows his answers, he knows his place and he's 100% happy with all of it.

[00:04:01] You can see his happiness radiating out of it the orphuses in his face. I mean, what a wonderful Ben to have. He's content now. Yeah. Which is great to see because you're right. He's very, he's exuding confidence. Yes. Because he has been given a responsibility.

[00:04:22] And he's been given somebody who needs him as much as he needs Hurley. Like Hurley needs him as much as he needs Hurley. Yes. And you can tell that that's going to be a really nice symbiotic relationship because Hurley is not cryptic, he's not mysterious.

[00:04:41] Hurley is Hurley and everybody loves him because of how open and honest and accepting he is. And that's really all that Ben really needed, I think. And I think one of the things I love about the relationship with Ben and Hurley is the fact that

[00:04:56] unlike Ben and Jacob or Jacob in general, like Jacob was somebody who pretended who he had all the answers. He knew everything. Hurley is the total opposite of that. He has been for help because Hurley doesn't know all the answers and he knows he doesn't know all

[00:05:12] the answers. Right. So it's a learning experience for Ben and Hurley together. And they make such a great little odd couple. Yeah. You're absolutely right. I would have loved to have seen more of this. I would have loved to have seen Hurley or Ben

[00:05:31] just drop in on Richard. What is Richard doing out there in the real world after 300 years of being chained to this island? Like I get it, he's been on and off the island over the years, blah, blah, blah. But now he has a life.

[00:05:44] He has to live out there. Like how does that look like? Well, not only that, but this gives us the indication that the rules have changed. People can leave the island. Ben and Hurley included. I would have loved to have seen Hurley just

[00:05:58] drop in on Kate, drop in on Desmond, Penny and Charlie. Just check in on his friends. Yeah. And you know, honestly, they could do it now or in the next couple of years. And it would still be believable as a continuation

[00:06:14] because the ending of the show is like, you guys are here because this was the most important part of your life. So it makes sense that they still are very young and that they're the right age, whatever, blah, blah. And they can be older in these other settings

[00:06:29] because when they eventually die and they meet at the church, they are going to be that age that they were when they were on the island. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's one of those rare incidences that you can actually reboot the show 10 to 15 years later

[00:06:47] and it makes complete sense and folds in very nicely with the original show. Because there's no indication either in the series or in this as to how long Hurley has the job of protector of the island. So you're right. It could be 20 years later,

[00:07:03] which is right about what we're at now. And Hurley is still the guardian of the island. Ben is still his second command, but now there are other people on the island that assist with this. There's a whole community of people that actually get along and protect the island.

[00:07:21] We could see all of that now in a 20 years later spin-off. Golly, would I love that? Walt is a central character and we get to learn more about Walt because that whole plot was abandoned because of the fact that he aged too quickly.

[00:07:41] Well, I feel like one of my notes on this too, which I don't have a lot, but I feel like one of the things this short does well in such a short amount of time is it actually does give us a few more answers

[00:07:57] to things that were kind of like, the things that were kind of left open in the end and kind of backtracks a little bit and corrects one or two other things. We had mentioned last episode during the series finale, what about Walt and Michael

[00:08:15] and then being in the church? And now we kind of get a little bit of a resolution to that. Yeah. In that we've... Hurley, in a sense, I know we're jumping to the end of this short, but Hurley and Ben, in a sense,

[00:08:29] have given a opportunity for Walt and Michael to be reunited. And what do you think the job is that he wanted Walt to do? Because I have a guess. So I will say... I did get an email from Dez and we didn't use it during the series finale

[00:08:45] because it was more about this. And Dez is under the impression that Walt is... The term new man in charge is dual in that Ben is referring to Hurley when he mentions that, but it is also setting up Walt to become the guardian of the island.

[00:09:04] Well, it wouldn't be lost if it didn't have dual meaning. Yeah. What takes me away from that, however, is the fact that at the end, the three of them, mainly Hurley, says, let's all go home. So they're all returning to the island together. Yes.

[00:09:24] I can see this as a moment where Ben is... Or Hurley is going to groom Walt. He's gonna paddle on him. He's gonna paddle on. I got so excited. I didn't even think of that. That makes it so much better, especially with Hurley's love for Star Wars. Yeah.

[00:09:44] He just took on a paddle on. He needed a paddle on. He's like, I'm in charge. I get a paddle on. Okay. Let's go find Walt. Now that's Ken, and I'm loving that. Fifth Tannen and Star Wars. We've merged many different...

[00:09:57] He is grooming Walt to be his paddle on. I love that now. We're gonna see next time we see Walt, he's gonna have a little braid. He'll be wearing like a brown robe. People will be like, Walt, what are you doing? I don't know.

[00:10:17] Hurley made me wear it. Hurley comes up into a big old hood. Now I want to see... Now I really do want to see a spin-off where we get to see Jorge Garcia as Hurley, still the guardian of the island, but Walt in his 30s now,

[00:10:38] wearing this robe and a ponytail like, dude, it's been 20 years. Can we stop this nonsense, please? And Ben is there too. Ben is still there. Ben is there as like their Yoda. Because remember Hurley said, he's like the worst Yoda ever. It's worse than Yoda.

[00:10:54] Well that was the Jacob. Right, so I think Hurley needs a better Yoda, so he's probably creating his own little Star Wars mini universe on the island. Oh my God, I need this so bad now. I'm really excited about this.

[00:11:09] I need Walt to be a paddle on to Hurley. God, I love it. Yeah, so yeah, I can see that as well. I can see Walt eventually becoming the guardian of the island. So that Hurley... 100% And I think it's a smart idea too,

[00:11:28] and I think Hurley knows that too. Hurley doesn't want to do this forever. He doesn't want to do this for like hundreds of years like Jacob did. Like he wants to be able to move on. He wants to train other people to do it,

[00:11:42] which I think is smart. I think that we should email Jorge Garcia and we should like just pitch in this idea. Dude, we have an idea. We have an idea. I'm sure you've already gotten many emails about it, but we'd like to do it anyways.

[00:11:57] And we'll shoot it without SAG so we can talk about it. Yeah, do it on an independent level. Right? Yes. Although... I'm very into this idea. I am too. We should write it anyway. Yes, let's do that. We should write it anyway.

[00:12:14] Let's go back to the beginning of the short with the guys in the warehouse and, man, I felt so bad for these two because they've been doing the same mundane job for 20 years. No one has come to visit them. And then they just get fired.

[00:12:36] You know, fired by Ben. With, I mean, okay, great. Thanks for my envelope of money, but what year is it? This is going to last me like maybe six months. I know because Ben says like, here's your severance package.

[00:12:54] I imagine you'll be able to do whatever you want. Not with that money. Uh-uh. No. No. And it's not like they can use what they've been doing for 20 years as a reference. Like, who? Jacob is my boss. What are you going to do?

[00:13:10] I'm not going to be your old employer. No, I'm sorry. We lost his ashes, so he doesn't show up in the fire anymore. Like what on earth are they supposed to say? And you can tell these guys have been so out of touch

[00:13:22] with reality because they think that Dharma still exists. You know, and Ben's like, you know, they haven't, Dharma hasn't existed for a while. Those messages are automated. Can you imagine thinking the job that you've done for 20 years is just like fake? Yeah.

[00:13:40] Like what you've been doing has had no meaning for 20 years. And it makes you realize these guys have probably also been living in seclusion. Oh yeah, they don't look like they see people. I mean, they're on the island of Guam, so they're not, they're cut off from mainland

[00:13:56] and they have no idea or regard as to what is happening even within the company they are working for. Right. Right. Oh, and, and it sucks in Guam. Snakes live in the trees, in the trees. Snakes live in the trees, Ben, in the trees.

[00:14:13] You don't have to tell them you, you had me it sucks at Guam. Okay. They live in the trees, which means a snake can fall from the sky at any moment onto your body. I'm good. Oh, never go to Guam. I have no intention of going to Guam.

[00:14:36] For any snake tree dwelling place. Oh, see, I want to go to Australia. No, no. Have you seen the bugs and beasts in Australia? There are more things there in Australia that can kill you than don't. I still, I still want to go. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

[00:14:57] I feel like I have more words. The only thing that's coming out is nope. No. No. Oh my gosh, no. Apologies to any people that we have including friends who live in Australia and New Zealand. Oh, more power to you. I'm never going to visit you.

[00:15:10] I'll go to New Zealand. There's no snakes there. So you go to New Zealand but not Australia? Yeah, there's no snakes in New Zealand. At all? At all. How do you know? Because I know these things. I know where there's no snakes. There's no snakes in New Zealand.

[00:15:28] There's no snakes in Ireland and there's no snakes in Hawaii. Oh, well in Ireland's because they drove them all out. Yeah, great. Super. Let's do it to the world. I forgot about your deep embedded fear of snakes. No, yeah. No, no. Yeah. No.

[00:15:47] So much so that I gave you a movie for movie swap that had snakes in it. Oh my gosh, I hate you so much for that too. And I forgot. Look, you can't even see but I am sweaty. My hands are gross right now.

[00:15:58] What movie was that that I gave you? It was We Bought a Zoo, man. That's right. It's like 500 snakes in that movie. I forgot. Oh my gosh, I hated you so much in that moment. I got a text message from you in the middle of the movie.

[00:16:14] I hated you so much in that moment. I was screaming. You're lucky you had a text. I was screaming. I could have gotten a very bad phone call or voicemail. So we got an answer to the polar bears. We got an answer to room 23.

[00:16:31] We got an answer to early term gestation problems of pregnant women on the island, which makes sense that the amount of electromagnetic energy that is on the island would affect early term gestation and pregnancy. So it makes sense that if you got pregnant on the island,

[00:16:49] you need to get off the island. Yeah. That makes sense. And I'm so glad. That would have been in the actual series because that was very helpful. Pierre. Pierre Chang, who was very please don't use his name outside because he doesn't want to have to use an alias.

[00:17:07] He has like 10 names. He's got like three aliases outside of Pierre Chang. Room 23 is the most barbaric thing in the world. It's even worse upon explanation. And the fact that Pierre Chang discusses it so nonchalantly really, really, really bothers me. Yeah.

[00:17:25] He does seem very unemotional when it comes to that. Could not care less about the human torture that he's inflicting on hostiles and their diet who worship their deity, Jacob. And then there's referred to as bears. Then there's the polar bears, which is so barbaric as well.

[00:17:46] The best thing about the polar bears was I repeat, they're not your friend. A man turns around and has got one arm. Which I was a great little humorous moment too. But it also posed two new questions to me in watching this video too because you're right.

[00:18:09] We get the answers to those questions, questions that have been longing throughout the run of the series. But to me, I had two more questions after this. OK. What were they? First question. Dorma had had the ability to transport and they didn't because remember Pierre

[00:18:26] Chang says no, Pierre Chang says they put the tracker on the polar bear and it is transported. Oh. Which explains how the polar bears got from the island to the mainland out in the desert of Tunisia. That's right.

[00:18:45] Because remember when Ben, I think it's either Ben or Locke, I think it's Locke, when they wake up they find the collar. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I feel like something went wrong in that transport.

[00:18:58] My guess is that the polar bear was not supposed to end up in the middle of the Sahara Desert. But my other question about that is though when Ben and Locke got transported to the desert of Tunisia, they had to go underground and turn that dharma wheel.

[00:19:13] How did dharma have the ability to do it without that? Because somehow that polar bear got there. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's why we need a spin off, Ben. That's why we need to spin off. The other question I got watching this.

[00:19:32] It's going to be called Lost Padawan. Bird. Oh God. The other question I had in watching this, bird hybrids? High birds. That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What was that? Yeah. Where did that come from and where were they?

[00:19:52] And this is why I feel like we, this needed, this was a pitch for a spin off because we got dropped some information. We got answers on another information and we got a potential three man buddy comedy series just ready to go. Why are we not doing this?

[00:20:09] You know what? I honestly wouldn't put it past the idea that this was a pitch to spin off the show. And I think that everybody, that the finale was so polarizing that they probably ditched it. Are you looking it up right now? I am actually.

[00:20:27] The minute he looks down, I know he's in his computer. Yeah. I know it's an epilogue, archival footage, production reception, new man in charge, received generally positive reviews from critics. If you didn't like the end, you'll probably love this. I like them both.

[00:20:50] And if you liked the end, well, you'll still probably love it. Satisfied epilogue. Keep them. Yeah. No word on whether or not this actually was a pitch to do a spin off. But I could see potentially how it could have been a pitch. Oh, hold on. Actually, okay.

[00:21:14] In an interview, Michael Emerson stated the writers weren't dealing with procedural mysteries in the finale. They were bringing the show to a kind of spiritual conclusion. And that was the right emphasis, I think. I'd have to say that this DVD extra feature thing is

[00:21:27] a lighter spirited and a little more mechanical in the best sense of the word. And we do have the satisfaction of seeing what happened to some of the people whose storylines were not resolved in the finale. In a later interview, Emerson said that the

[00:21:42] epilogue scene seemed to set up a new spin off series. However, he denied that the writers were actually developing a spin off project explaining I don't think it was their idea to leave such a door open. Well, then they shouldn't have made it.

[00:21:57] Following the completion of the epilogue, Linda Lough wrote on his Twitter page, I'm so glad we made the new man in charge. I was starting to miss getting yelled at. Linda Lough seems like a real good dude, man. Yeah, very self deprecating. Yeah.

[00:22:17] And the ability to kind of... Heraldton Coos can go jump off a cliff, but Linda Lough, man, you're OK. But it does seem that there... And then I have a really good idea for a spin off. But it does seem that there were some people

[00:22:29] out there who thought, you know, it seemed like it could be sending off a spin off series. We should totally write a script and just send it to him. I would love to, even though we're moving on to Ted Lasso after this, we might backtrack a

[00:22:42] little bit because once the writers, once these strikes end and we're allowed to get some of these people on, I really want to try and get Michael Emerson on. I want to follow up with the talks I had with his publicists before. Yeah.

[00:22:57] And try and get him on. Or anybody that would like to talk about last. Anybody from the show? Yeah. Mr. Carbina, please. Jorge Garcia. Oh no, he's too busy. I just checked his Instagram. Why was he doing now? Well, nothing.

[00:23:12] He's raising his cute little daughter and he has three dogs. Has he... Is he in the pictures he's posting? Yeah. Has he lost a ton of weight? Or is he still about the same? That looks like maybe. I don't know. Okay. Yeah.

[00:23:31] I like it that he hides his daughter's face on his Instagram posts. Like either her eyes are blacked out or she has a cute little mask on or he's reading her a book and you can just see the top of her head.

[00:23:43] Like, I love it when public figures protect their children like that. Yeah. There were a number of people that I know that do that. Actually one of the... Somebody that I'm friends with, Stephen Amell from the television arrow, he has a daughter and a son.

[00:23:59] His son is still very young so his son is never seen in his Instagram photos. His daughter was the same way when she was very young but now she's I think like going on eight or nine years old and that's adorable.

[00:24:15] His daughter is going on like eight or nine years old and he has brought his daughter to conventions. So now she has been seen and I think he actually asked her. He asked Mavie, is it okay if I show your face and she's said yes.

[00:24:29] So now like she's seen in a lot of his pictures. This is him a year ago. Okay. That's... I mean doesn't really transcribe well to a podcast but okay. I'm seeing it. Yes. Well, you know, oh well. It's fine. Don't worry. Everything's fine.

[00:24:50] And I'm not like shaming or saying he needs to lose weight. I love him just the way he is. No. I love him just the way he is. I did hear though that he did lose a bunch of weight but...

[00:25:02] I thought I had heard that too which is why I was asking. I lost a bunch of weight then I gained a bunch of weight then I lost a bunch of weight then I gained a bunch of weight then I turned 40 and I couldn't lose

[00:25:10] weight so it's been really fun. It's a great journey. Well, I mean you look at Jonah Hill. I mean Jonah Hill was a larger guy lost a ton of weight getting some of it back on. He has fluctuated so much and now he's like a rail.

[00:25:26] Yeah, well it's hard. It's a very difficult... It's difficult to do is to control your eating or control, you know, or to get more physically active whatever especially I mean if it's not a part of your day-to-day job if it's not your job you have to

[00:25:42] shoehorn it in somewhere. Well, I mean and just another one too before we move on like Drew Carey was another one who was a very heavy guy lost a lot of weight to the point where a lot of people were saying like oh you might have

[00:25:56] lost a little too much weight. Even when he took over prices right like he was incredibly skinny like people were saying including myself included like you're not Drew Carey anymore. Like now he has gained some of the weight back but it's a very healthy amount.

[00:26:12] Like now he looks very healthy. He's not overweight. He looks very healthy. Good. Which is good. I'm still a fan of Drew Carey. The only other note I have really on this is the fact that we've gone from beta max to DVD. We're keeping up with technology

[00:26:31] now so we've updated all of our Dharma Initiative videos to DVD which why if Dharma doesn't exist anymore do you still need all the DVDs? For this purpose. Oh good point. Yeah, fair enough. That's all I can think of. Yeah, no that makes a lot of sense.

[00:26:51] But that's really all I have for this. Anything else on your end? No. No. That's it. I loved it. I mean I did. I loved it. I loved getting that extra little piece. I'm always like such a huge fan of getting that little extra. I love extra anything

[00:27:15] of a world that I love. So thank you for making this to those who did make it. Now please make it another series. Yeah, let's get that spin off going. Please. They've been talking about a potential return to loss for a couple of years now. Here's your in.

[00:27:33] This is perfect. And if they do it and they don't do this then they didn't do it right. Yeah, I just... I need a white haired Nester Carbonol too. Yeah, because he's got the gray. Yep. So cool. So yeah, so no feedback for this one.

[00:27:54] We wanted to keep it lighter. We wanted to keep it quicker. So we didn't do the feedback. And we mentioned last week. So hopefully none of you guys did send in any feedback if you did. We didn't see it.

[00:28:07] But I will say the next time you hear our voices we are changing tune. We are changing gears. We are changing the story. We are diving into Ted Lasso. Very excited about this. I had to. Just because you started singing it. Yeah.

[00:28:39] So you'll be hearing a lot more of that as we're going forward. So no feedback for this. But again, we want to reiterate as we did last week for the series finale. We want your feedback for Ted Lasso. So if it's a first watch, if it's a rewatch,

[00:28:55] no matter what it is, we want your feedback for the pilot season one episode of Ted Lasso. Let us know your thoughts, your favorite moments. And you know all that fun stuff, what you're looking forward to, what you want to hear us talk about in regards

[00:29:10] to the show. And we mentioned this before too. We're going to try and keep this as non-spoilery as possible. Yes. It is a rewatch, but it's a recent rewatch. And I know and I've gotten word from a number of people

[00:29:25] that this is their first go of the show. Which is awesome. Which is great. We want you guys to enjoy it. There's a lot of amazing moments throughout it and we don't want to spoil them for you. So we'll keep it a spoilery as non-spoilery as possible.

[00:29:39] If by any chance we do happen to go into some spoiler territory, we'll kind of push it to the end of the episode and we'll mark it so you know to avoid these particular minutes of the episode. And we're going to bring more people on

[00:29:55] for Ted Lasso as well. Maybe. Not every episode, but we'll bring some people on occasionally along the way. But that's pretty much it. Yeah. And final notes from you before we get out of here. I'm really going to miss covering the show like a lot. Me too.

[00:30:15] It's become a part of my life for the past however long we've been doing this, four years, five years and I'm just really going to miss it. I know that we still get to podcast together on you know Ted Lasso or whatever, but

[00:30:27] I don't know having lost in our little universe has been just a comforting part of my whole life. It's always something that no matter how crazy life got in the last couple of years, like this was always like my comfort zone was coming here

[00:30:43] and podcasting with you and getting to talk lost like I feel like our friendship has deepened. I feel like it's just a really big part of my life and I'm going to miss these characters a lot. I'm going to I'm so glad we're still watching.

[00:30:58] I'm still watching it with my kids. I was just going to say I'm going to be living vicariously through you for a little while because you've already started rewatching again this time to show your kids. If you ever want to hear Danny or Adam's thoughts on it,

[00:31:12] you let me know and we'll get her on here and we'll get a recording. We'll do that. We will definitely get on everyone's in a while just to hear. Maybe during season finales we'll do something just to hear her thoughts on the season. Like a lost check-in.

[00:31:27] Like a lost check-in. Yeah. And maybe we'll record them and air them too. We'll put them up as part of the podcast, like bonus episodes. I'll tell you when we're on the season one finale and then maybe you can we can do like a short little recording

[00:31:39] with her on how she liked season one because season one is great. I mean it ends with the hatch. Yeah. You know them looking down the hatch. Great. Yeah. Exactly. So yeah. So as I mentioned feedback, revisitedpod.com is the website you can go to

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[00:32:09] you guys to be more active and leave us more notes for Ted Lasso. I think that's it for me. Are we crawling out of that rabbit hole? I think we're crawling. We finally hit the bottom of the rabbit hole. Yes.

[00:32:23] So with that turning the wheel and we're going to be spit out in England. In England. I just want to say finally and I know I speak for for for Kristen when I say this to everybody who stuck with us throughout lost thank you.

[00:32:39] It was it was a great ride. I'm very I'm sad as you are but I'm very encouraged to and excited for where we're going with Ted Lasso because it's another show that I adore. 100%. We hope that you guys are too. We hope that you stick with us.

[00:32:54] Tell people that you know if they're friends of Ted Lasso about the show and get him to follow along as well but until next time we'll see you guys on the pitch. Yes. Take care. Oh it's just poopy. Remember it's just poopy.