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*Slowly crying*
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*Slowly crying*
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*Slowly crying*
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*Slowly crying*
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I don't like that the fuck is...
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What the fuck?
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What the fuck? What happened to Jackie?
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What happened to Jackie?
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What happened to Jackie?
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What happened to Jackie?
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Okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
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Did I do something A to her? How could we do that?
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Please, stop!
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We ate her.
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No, I didn't.
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I just... I wouldn't...
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What are you talking about?
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You were sitting right next to me!
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*Slowly crying*
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*Slowly crying*
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I... I... I... I... I... I...
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I was just... I was just... I was just... I was just...
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But you talked to me!
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You were looking right at me!
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You really don't remember?
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It's okay.
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You ate her face!
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*Slowly crying*
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*Slowly crying*
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*Slowly crying*
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*Slowly crying*
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*Dance music*
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Hey, Yellow Jacket Tears! Welcome to our podcast, I'm Jason.
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And I'm Wendy.
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And I'm Daphne.
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And this is Yellow Jackets WTF episode 22.
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This episode we're covering Yellow Jackets, season 2, episode 3.
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Digestive, boy.
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What was the Digestief? Was it...
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It was Jackie.
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Blood?
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I thought Jackie's the main course, and I think the Digestief follows.
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It's an after... yeah, isn't it like an after dinner drink?
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Well, they missed their opportunity because Misty had some plans for some Jackie broth.
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That's right!
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*Slowly crying*
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That was so funny!
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Oh, too bad they didn't use your broth.
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It's not really a party without snacks.
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That was so funny.
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Oh my god.
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*Slowly crying*
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Okay.
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Oh, can't even.
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Yeah, season 2, episode 3, Digestief.
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What did you think of it, Daphne in general?
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I really liked it.
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One thing I really appreciated is we got to see a bit of coach Ben, and that made me happy.
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Because his backstory really haven't seen very much of, and this wasn't really backstory,
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but it gave us a glimpse into what he... or how he was outside of being the coach.
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I'm really concerned for him after seeing him in this episode.
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I feel like he's giving up.
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He's about to die, I feel like.
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Yeah.
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Starvation.
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I don't think it's that they're gonna kill him or anything, I think it's just...
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He's starving.
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Yeah, he looks like he has lost hope completely, and he's starving.
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And everyone else is full.
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What about the rest, though, in general, the whole thing?
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I loved the whole... the taisa getting to see more of her and her sleepwalking.
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I'm really intrigued by what's going on with that.
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Shana and Jeff continue to be at times the comic relief in this show, and then something, you know, the most disturbing.
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So I'm not really sure.
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But overall, I've really enjoyed this episode, I think.
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For a third episode of the season, I think we're starting to get the wheels going.
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And I can't wait to see where we go next.
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Wendy?
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Wendy, what did you think last week's episode?
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I loved last week's episode.
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I really did.
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Where did you think when you got to the final scene?
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I mean, that's about where I thought it was all going.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it just seemed...
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I was surprised that it truly was everybody participating except for Ben.
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I thought it would be more divided than that.
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But I really... yeah, I liked it.
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The accident, the last 10 minutes was just crazy.
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I really liked it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What about this week?
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This week was really good.
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You know, we keep seeing them adding layers onto already really layered characters like Shana and Misty.
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I loved the lightness of the Misty arc in both timelines, really.
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I really liked that.
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That was good.
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Most of my points are about people.
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You know, about the characters.
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Yeah, me too.
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Yeah, me too this time.
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Yeah, I liked it a lot.
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It was not like...
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I mean, it's hard to top last week for just major mind-blowingness for me.
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Like, oh my god.
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I can't believe we saw that.
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But this is a solid, totally entertaining, deep, funny, fascinating episode.
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Like, every episode of Yellow Jackets, I liked it a lot.
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For me, probably the weakest part was the Walter Misty storyline.
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I feel like it's a bit goofy, but it is like...
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What about it?
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You kind of need that lightness and to show this dark.
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So, it's cute.
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I don't know.
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I'm still sort of not sure whether I'm fully buying this.
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Actually, I'm kind of hoping there's more to Walter than just like, rom-com that may be...
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Oh, I think there is.
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Yeah.
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I think there's something else happening that we're going to be hit with with him.
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It's not just what it appears to be, but I don't know.
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I wouldn't want to be his life insurance agent.
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Now...
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Yeah, there's one thing in particular that he said that leads me to believe there definitely is more.
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And I'm going to hold on to that until we get to...
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Great.
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Our points.
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I'm curious.
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Well, before we get to our points, let's get to our fucked-up moment of the week.
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What is it for you, Daphne?
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For me, I'm not...
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It was harder for me to pick one because I...
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I think the last couple of episodes, it's been so clear what it was going to be.
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And in this episode, I had a harder time trying to determine what is most fucked up.
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So, I'm going to go with Taisa in her mirror episode
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where she basically turns around and her reflection is staring at her talking to her.
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It was real creepy.
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And then there was creepy music, too.
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Creepy music, creepy everything.
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That...
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Taisa is, to me, one of the creepiest characters on this show just because what seems to be happening to her is...
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It's gruesome at times.
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I think she's actually my favorite character right now.
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She's always been one of my favorites as far as...
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If I knew her personally, although when we did that crossover, Kelly kind of talked me out of that a little bit.
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But anyway...
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Yeah, that was mine, too.
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She turns away from the mirror and the tie in the mirror doesn't turn.
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I'm like, "No!"
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That stuff always creeps me out.
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And when Karen and I did our top five things that creep us out on Walking Deadcast years ago, that was one of mine.
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Just the idea of your mirror image doing something different than you're doing.
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Or if you're watching TV and the person looks at you and starts talking to you or something like that.
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I think that goes back to childhood.
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Did you ever play creepy mirror games?
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Yeah.
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Baltimore was Black Aggie. If you looked in the mirror and said Black Aggie three times at midnight, which I have done.
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Like Candy Man.
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Of course.
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Yeah, no.
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And it was like a local legend.
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But I've heard the same thing with like Bloody Mary and other places.
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And I think that's...
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It's something about that mirror.
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I never did.
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I was so afraid of everything.
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I'll just be looking at myself in the mirror and sometimes just get creeped out at the idea that I'm gonna do something.
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Not to get too much into it, but one of the first movies I ever saw that really messed me up was Phantasm, which I was like five years old or something.
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And there was a scene in that with the Tall Man in the mirror.
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Tall Man was...
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Oh!
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I think that's really creepy.
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That was very creepy.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, okay.
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What about you Wendy?
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I'm gonna have to go with the opening shot of Jackie's Eatin' Bloody Skeletal Hand.
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Dripping.
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Oh!
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I love that.
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It's so good.
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And you hear Fly's Buzzening too.
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Yeah.
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And then Flashes of the Jackie Fest, which immediately cuts to Paul's clam chowder.
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Like well done.
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Yeah.
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You see the coach kind of blown out.
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Yeah.
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And if I can have a runner up, it was gonna be Shawna describing what it's like to prepare a human body for a meal.
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Oh!
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Yes.
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So good.
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In very graphic detail.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The skin really sticks to you.
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Mm-hmm.
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You have to get a good hold on it.
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I don't know.
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Van telling Taisa in the teenage years that she ate Jackie's face.
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Yes.
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You ate her face.
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Like, did you have to say that part?
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Like, she gets it, okay.
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I think it was just further indication that Taisa really is teetering.
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Yeah.
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Between two worlds, really, mentally.
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Yeah.
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Just the way Van says that, she's like, "Taisa, you ate her."
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Yeah.
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We.
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Yeah.
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You were right there.
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It's looking like I'd do it.
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Yeah.
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No, she said, "You're right."
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She said, "We ate her."
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So great.
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All right.
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Let's get into our point, Stephanie.
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I'm going to start with somewhat light.
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And well, I guess it's in the middle.
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I mentioned it already.
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Coach Ben.
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I really appreciated that we got to see Paul, this mysterious boyfriend of his.
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But I don't know how much of what we saw was real.
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I was thinking it was until we got to the end.
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And they show the crash on the TV.
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And that made me realize, wait a minute.
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Is he playing out on his head what he should have done?
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I thought so.
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Yeah.
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At the end.
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But only at the end.
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Yeah.
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My take on it is everything we saw was exactly what happened except for that last scene where he says,
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"I'm tired of living Liar," whatever, you know, I want to be the me that I've always wanted to be.
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And that was what he's saying they're wishing he would have done.
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And that's because he said, you know, I've, I did what I did to be safe.
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But I've learned that you're not safe.
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And then they flashed on a coach in the cabin just to be like, look what happened.
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Like this isn't safe.
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I totally should have.
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So it's just regret.
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And it reminds me of things that I've done.
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And I'm sure everybody's done where you have a regret and you play it over in your head the way you wish had had gone.
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Yeah, you wish it had gone.
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Yeah, you think it goes through your head.
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All the decisions you could have made.
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We didn't hear a lot from Ben in the sub-sild.
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Like he really didn't have a lot of dialogue.
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I think the only thing he really said was,
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would Natalie decides that she's going to take the bones down to the airplane and they're going to bury her aft,
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Barry Jackie with the rest of the team. Ben says, well, at least if you bury her, it will look like she died with the rest of them.
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Yeah, so they're going to bury her with everyone else.
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Which again is a question that I raised in season one.
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When they do get out of here,
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it appears like they haven't really talked that much about what happened or what they had to do.
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It's been a lot of speculation, you know, whatever they did.
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Are they just going to come out of this and say, well, these people all died in the plane crash.
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Only a few of us survived.
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I mean, we don't really know that there's so much yet to be discovered.
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But I do wonder.
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Shana has given it like when Jessica, is that her name?
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Becca Shana was character, went to ask her what happened and she said,
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what did she say? We we foraged and hunted and prayed or I forget exactly.
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Yes, well, they probably did cannibalism there.
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No, but they probably they could have prayed on each other.
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I'm just saying.
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I'm just saying what we know would say happened, you know, yeah, they could just said everyone died in the.
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Yeah, I think that that's yeah, but we still right now don't know if anyone else survived.
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Did get laudy this season. That's great. I wonder if there are any other people that did make it and.
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It seems like when they did come back, they all separated and didn't really hang out or talk to each other again.
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Who knows how many are out there?
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We don't know what the outcome is for Havi.
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And if he is alive in the wilderness and then he's alive in present day,
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they're not going to reveal one before the other.
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You know, I think if they if it is and he might not be, but if he is alive,
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it I think they'll reveal it at the same time for both timelines,
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which would be really cool, but you know, I don't know.
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Yeah, that would be cool.
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Another thing that Paul said that I thought was very telling is that Ben called the girl's vicious little monsters.
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So now you see him in the bed. He seems depressed.
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You know now he's probably thinking I'm stuck here with with these girls that I hate.
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Because that's what it sounds like from what Paul said, vicious little monsters doesn't sound like a term of endearment really.
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I mean, teenage girls can be vicious.
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So he may like them and still think they're vicious.
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Yeah, it's like blowing off steam, kind of teachers do it.
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Plus, oh my gosh, yes.
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I mean, the way he comes off, he likes some of them.
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He clearly likes net.
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And I don't know, maybe he just came to like her out there in the wilderness,
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but I don't think so.
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I think he probably likes some more than others like all teachers.
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But to some degrees like teenagers.
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Yeah, I think that he he's having to learn to adapt the situation.
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But I think he I feel like we're getting to see the beginning of him breaking down and giving up.
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Resigning himself to them never leaving there.
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I think he's delirious really.
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He could be he's hallucinating.
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I mean, the thing is by not partaking in Jackie, like everyone else did,
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he said himself apart in a way that isn't going to be good for him to make some an outsider.
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And also he's coming off judgmental, which is bad, a bad idea.
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Yeah.
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Plus he's weak.
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He only has one like saying that, you know, well, at least you've been barrier out there.
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It'll look like she died with the rest of them.
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And Lottie gives him kind of, I think a dirty look on the surface.
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He's saying if someone comes to rescue them, they won't know what they did.
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But that implies there would be a negative judgment, which implies that he has a negative judgment,
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which we know he does because he was in there horrified and they all know he does because he didn't eat.
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And so Lottie's dirty looks as you're judging us.
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And she's the one who's encouraging people as I said last week to do what comes naturally,
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if it's kind of on the dark or wild or savage side, let the darkness free us.
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Then she, and he's the one who's judging people for doing that, then he's going to, like I say, set himself aside.
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And then when he comes in in a stomach growls and one of the new girls, I think Melissa is her name.
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Oh, that's Jen.
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That's Jen.
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Okay.
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And then she says, hungry and it's like you should have eaten and then sucker.
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Are you too good to eat like we did?
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I didn't think that was real.
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I thought he was hallucinating that she said that.
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Oh, I think, well, my take on it was she said hungry.
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She heard his stomach growl and say hungry, but then the hallucinating part was when she was foaming at the mouth.
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And goes, that would be a terrible thing to say.
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I see, I took it as real because they are, they are feeling like dude, you should have eaten with us, you know, like they're really driving that home that there's a divide between them now.
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Maybe you're right, maybe it was just not, but anyway, she goes, I still am.
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And he's afraid that he's next.
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Yeah.
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I thought that when he was looking out the door at them and they were out there, he was thinking, oh my god, he's got to be terrified.
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But this just like reinforces it. Like he's afraid that he's next and he's like all this stuff about thinking about his boyfriend.
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His boyfriend wanted him to come out of the closet and live a full gay life with him proud and out.
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And he was too scared and used the yellow jackets as his excuse and wanted to be safe.
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And now he's realizing, I'm not safe.
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I'm toast and I should have fucking did it.
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And if you made that decision not to get on that plane to go do his other options, because I had the feeling it was like come live with me in the city.
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And the city would have been New York.
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So come live with me in the city, get a different job.
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Where being gay wouldn't mean that much as a high school coach.
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And have this grand life.
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This life that looked from what I could see, it looked like it could be a beautiful life.
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A happy life for him.
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As far as I know, none of us are gay.
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So we don't know what it's like.
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No.
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And we don't know what it was like.
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That's true.
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It was a 90s, it was a 90s.
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It was different.
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So every generation has gotten better, but it was still pretty tough back then.
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True.
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Yeah.
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It does make me wonder, I start to think about, they've crossed a threshold with eating Jackie is a threshold that they've crossed.
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Like, there they are.
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They've done it.
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It's a big step to actually go from that to from eating someone who's already dead to actually killing someone and eating them.
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Yeah.
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It's not brutal.
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It's just what needs to happen.
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It also makes me think though about what?
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If they start to think about life after rescue, or if they even think about being rescued,
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are they going to look at people like Ben and say, well, if he's alive and goes back, he's going to talk.
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He's going to tell what we did.
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Yeah.
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Maybe because he's the only one who didn't.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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So that opens up another door further down the road where it could be that they could kill him just because they don't want him to talk.
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They get a meal out of it, you know, everybody.
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And get a meal out of it, right?
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Outside of that is gravy.
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Again, it's just speculation.
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It's just my thoughts on what, you know, it's making me think.
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These situations that happened in the subs of really did make me think.
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And this is just one of them.
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There were a few others too.
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And I just think if the coach is going to try to convince him that they shouldn't have eaten Jackie, he really doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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Ah, boy.
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I do think like at the end of starvation, typically you do like drift away in this dream like state.
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He also lost his leg dramatically.
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So he could be at the end of starvation.
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But it is like a drifting away kind of thing.
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And he definitely seemed like that's what was happening with him.
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He couldn't even get out of bed.
00:21:14
He just couldn't muster up the will.
00:21:16
And I think it's notable that the kids are not like we need to get something food for coach.
00:21:22
I mean, they don't have any food.
00:21:24
So what are they going to do?
00:21:25
But still, they're not like, I mean Travis is a little worried about him.
00:21:29
Like, oh, you don't look so great.
00:21:31
But the other ones don't even notice.
00:21:34
And I don't.
00:21:35
They're oblivious.
00:21:36
That's because there's this divide between them and him now because of what happened and he didn't partake.
00:21:42
And he couldn't even muster words to Travis when Travis went in to check on him.
00:21:48
Yeah.
00:21:49
Yeah.
00:21:50
That I think is very telling.
00:21:53
So yeah, that's my point.
00:21:55
Who is next?
00:21:57
Wendy's next.
00:21:58
We're going to eat Wendy.
00:22:00
I'm scared.
00:22:03
I want to talk about Lonnie.
00:22:05
Lonnie.
00:22:06
Although we are really suspicious of Lonnie, I've heard endless debate about Lonnie being the antler queen,
00:22:16
Lonnie being the kingpin of the cult.
00:22:21
And so it's a lot of inference that we've had all this time.
00:22:25
But in reality, from what we've seen so far of Lonnie out in the wilderness and Lonnie in the current day timeline,
00:22:34
I don't think we've seen her do any bad things.
00:22:39
Now I know we had the whole doom's coming chasing Travis down.
00:22:45
But I do think she was on drugs at the time and I give her a pass for that as I gave Shana.
00:22:52
And I think you disagree with me Jason, but I have given her a pass for that.
00:22:57
I think we'll see her doing is trying to do the right thing.
00:23:01
She's very soft spoken.
00:23:04
She's trying to be a mediator between people.
00:23:07
She's trying to give people hope.
00:23:09
She's trying to give people support.
00:23:11
You see you're jumping in the middle of two people when they're arguing.
00:23:15
She's defending people.
00:23:17
She's trying to take care of Shana.
00:23:19
It's her idea to have the baby shower.
00:23:22
And she isn't aggressive about it.
00:23:26
She turns and comes up with this idea of the baby shower and then she turns to Shana and says,
00:23:33
would that be okay?
00:23:35
Would you want to do that?
00:23:37
And she's waiting for Shana to give permission for that.
00:23:40
You know, although I think we attribute a lot of things to her,
00:23:44
I don't think we've seen her do any of those things yet.
00:23:49
And in modern day, I feel pretty similarly like, yes, I know she kidnapped Matt.
00:23:55
But, Natalie was getting ready to kill herself.
00:23:58
And probably would have had her minions not broken in.
00:24:04
What we see with Lottie is that she appears to be trying to help people.
00:24:10
And I know a lot of cult leaders have this appearance.
00:24:14
And you could just feel the ting of like, well, that's her quarters.
00:24:18
And nobody else is allowed in there.
00:24:20
And also when the girl brought her the drink, it felt like she was kind of a servant.
00:24:26
But we haven't seen her do anything bad up until now, in my opinion.
00:24:34
So, if someone tried to kill someone you cared about and they were on trumps, you would give them a pass.
00:24:44
I just think it's not the same level of culpability as not.
00:24:51
And the big thing for me is that she didn't know she was drugged.
00:24:56
She didn't choose to be drugged.
00:24:58
So that's the big thing for me.
00:25:00
It's not like I'm saying if you kill a family of five because you were drunk behind the wheel or you're not culpable.
00:25:06
But that was against her will.
00:25:09
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think there's some.
00:25:15
I think it also is also dependent on the fact that everything was okay.
00:25:21
I mean, was it right for Jackie to have sex with Travis when he really wasn't consenting?
00:25:28
But she didn't know he was on trumps.
00:25:30
Like you can go round and round on all of that.
00:25:33
Well, I think it's pretty serious to try to get people to kill someone.
00:25:43
You know, I mean, like I agree.
00:25:48
Like I've said before, I've been on trumps many times.
00:25:52
I didn't say that.
00:25:53
I have.
00:25:54
And I've never wanted to kill somebody or tried to kill somebody.
00:26:00
And if I did and somebody said that was a bad thing, I would be like, I was on trumps.
00:26:05
No, I'd be like, you're right.
00:26:07
That was bad.
00:26:08
So, but it's a TV show.
00:26:10
So maybe you can give a little more leeway.
00:26:12
But I mean, for me, it's like she.
00:26:15
She's also got probably schizophrenia or, you know, so you could also factor that in too.
00:26:22
As far as how culpable she is, unless you don't agree or believe that she has schizophrenia.
00:26:28
No, I believe I believe she has, which case might have been all-
00:26:32
I believe she's medicated for schizophrenia.
00:26:34
Yeah.
00:26:35
So, but she's saying, you know, it wants blood.
00:26:39
And that was when she wasn't on trumps.
00:26:42
She was just kind of having a say-on's moment.
00:26:47
Having the effects of going off her meds, I guess.
00:26:50
Which she also didn't have a choice to go off her meds.
00:26:53
Right.
00:26:54
But it all plays in.
00:26:56
She thinks that there's something out there that wants a sacrifice.
00:27:00
And she tried to make that sacrifice Travis.
00:27:04
But she was on trumps.
00:27:05
Also, Travis doesn't seem to care.
00:27:07
He loves her.
00:27:08
So, I'm just trying to figure out, you know, talking through all sides of it.
00:27:12
But I kind of see her saying, I mean, I do think like the way they've portrayed a lot of you in season two,
00:27:18
because it did feel pretty sinister at the end of season one.
00:27:21
But they've kind of, yeah, like, okay, the shroomy haze is off now.
00:27:27
And in my opinion, that was what sort of she's leading to.
00:27:32
But it just catapulted her into that, the shrooms, you know.
00:27:36
And we're going to see them move more back towards that.
00:27:39
But without the need for the drugs to push her into it.
00:27:43
But we, that's just speculation, you know, we don't know.
00:27:46
And this show is really good at manipulating the viewers' thoughts about people.
00:27:50
Absolutely.
00:27:51
And I think that was more about manipulating our thoughts.
00:27:54
But when you look at, you know, what she has really done, I mean, like we see her in this season going,
00:28:01
or nobody's taking Shana's food, you know, she's really protective of the people.
00:28:07
And even that who obviously has a big problem with Laudie, she's pretty honest with Nat.
00:28:15
And she's like, I'm just trying to do what I think, what I feel.
00:28:19
I mean, last week, Nat said, you know, I forget exactly what, but something like when you start telling people what to do,
00:28:26
things go bad or whatever.
00:28:28
So there's a hint there, but we haven't seen that yet.
00:28:31
Right, we haven't seen it.
00:28:32
And to be honest, I know it wasn't on last week.
00:28:35
But I thought what Nat did was worse with manipulating Travis.
00:28:42
I thought that was really not okay.
00:28:46
And when I say it's not okay, I totally understand why Nat did it.
00:28:50
And that is struggling with her own troubles out in the wilderness just trying to survive.
00:28:56
So I understand that she probably had good intentions, but it wasn't okay that she did that.
00:29:04
I mean, she lied to him.
00:29:06
She manipulated him.
00:29:08
Yeah, I agree.
00:29:10
I would say in this episode, I've been in groups like this before where you have a group of people kind of holding space.
00:29:22
And then you get two people who are having a conflict and you have them speak about what they felt.
00:29:28
And you really push through the moments where most of us close up or just avoid each other.
00:29:36
And instead you confront what's between you and it was amazing to me how we would do that.
00:29:41
And think you would end up hugging the other person and actually feeling it just like Lisa did with Nat here.
00:29:50
It's also like that kind of stuff happens in cults all the time.
00:29:54
This group that I was in was a bit cult like I don't think it was a full bone cult, but I also got a lot out of it.
00:30:00
Anyway, the thing where it went too far is when she gave her the fork and told her if you feel like hurting her back, you do it now.
00:30:10
Or whatever she said, Lottie said that to Lisa.
00:30:14
And that that's super irresponsible.
00:30:17
Lottie thinks she knows everything and that she knew that she was going to soften and be vulnerable and not hurt Nat.
00:30:25
But what if she hadn't?
00:30:27
What if she forked her in the face?
00:30:29
That's bad in my opinion.
00:30:32
That's Lottie doing something bad.
00:30:34
I agree.
00:30:35
I loved that scene though.
00:30:37
I really like that scene.
00:30:40
I just keep wondering why the hell has Natalie not tried to leave.
00:30:44
She was planning to leave and she's still there.
00:30:47
Like she's not got, she hasn't tried to leave.
00:30:49
I thought she had to wait a day for a three-small person.
00:30:54
Is that what it was?
00:30:55
She's staying because she wants to.
00:30:58
She's looking for something.
00:31:01
It's there.
00:31:04
That's what I'm saying about.
00:31:06
We really thought Lottie was going to be the big bad enemy of this season.
00:31:11
And it could still happen.
00:31:13
But we're not seeing that.
00:31:15
We're seeing her really appearing to try to help people.
00:31:20
I would agree the jury's out.
00:31:26
We don't know if it's good or bad.
00:31:29
But I think that it has nowhere to go but bad.
00:31:34
Because she's presenting as very good now.
00:31:38
And they're not just going to leave it at that.
00:31:40
Oh yeah, she's great.
00:31:41
That's it.
00:31:42
Story over.
00:31:43
I don't think so.
00:31:45
And I loved how confident she present in like modern day.
00:31:49
How confident she presented.
00:31:52
But then at the end when she saw the bees dead, which was not real,
00:31:58
how you could see just under the surface, she's a shaken little girl who's not sure what her reality is still.
00:32:07
It was just like she was back in the wilderness when she was going off her meds.
00:32:11
And she heard, you know, hallucinated this woman saying, "Eelville Song."
00:32:15
That's it wants blood and French just like during the say-ons.
00:32:19
And that means whatever it is is calling for another sacrifice.
00:32:25
And I, pure speculation, I'm kind of worried about Walter because you know, Walter and Misty are on their way.
00:32:33
Yeah.
00:32:34
Yeah.
00:32:35
Like I said, I wouldn't want to be his insurance agent.
00:32:39
So I have a point about Lottie and Now I'll just do that.
00:32:43
Yeah.
00:32:44
Okay.
00:32:45
So yeah, on the surface of the organization, all this stuff about opening yourself up to your old emotional wounds and allowing the emotions to come out so you can explore the root of it and make shifts and feel your feelings of process.
00:32:58
And honor and accept them instead of shoving them down and like we usually do.
00:33:03
I am really on board with all that, but you have to be in the presence of people that are genuine, the caring and capable and have their own stuff worked out.
00:33:12
And she does present that way.
00:33:16
We're just radiating grace and caring and says it's a judgment-free zone and all of that.
00:33:22
But the thing where she tells me to fork her or gives her the fork is that part is a red flag to me.
00:33:29
She says, "And if you feel the need to hurt Natalie back, I want you to do it."
00:33:35
Another red flag is everyone wears Heliotrope or Purple, but Lottie wears Gold with Reddish Brown.
00:33:45
I see that Purple Clothes is having individual style.
00:33:49
It's interesting because they all are, it's not like a uniform.
00:33:54
They all have their own stuff, but they're all the same color.
00:33:57
And to me that's like a metaphor for her whole philosophy. She's saying they can only heal themselves and she's showing them the way to their true selves.
00:34:05
But everything is stained with the art colored by her, how she's guided them.
00:34:12
And I think she's fixated on not being controlled or having her reality dictated by others.
00:34:19
Or like young Lottie said something about it just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's evil.
00:34:24
So she doesn't want people telling her what she is, which they have done.
00:34:29
But because she's fixated on not being controlled, it might unconsciously lead her to control the reality of others.
00:34:36
That's what happens with cult leaders who have the best intentions in mind, but end up going bad.
00:34:42
When she shows Nat the beehives, buzz buzz buzz buzz, she says in the winter they cluster around the queen and they vibrate to keep her warm.
00:34:52
Just using the word queen makes me wonder if the writers are kind of playing on the term antler queen, which is a fan invention.
00:34:59
But before that, Nat was looking around the camp and saw that there were some antlers mounted above one of the doorways.
00:35:06
Her doorways.
00:35:08
Oh, really?
00:35:10
Yeah.
00:35:11
And so she kind of looked at that for a second, which could mean nothing, could mean something.
00:35:16
And then Lottie says when a new queen hatches the first thing she does is sting all the other onboard queens to death.
00:35:23
And that's like, I can see why you like them.
00:35:25
And she goes, it isn't brutal.
00:35:27
It's natural.
00:35:28
It's simply what has to be done.
00:35:29
Otherwise, they'll starve.
00:35:30
We all do.
00:35:31
And she's right about that.
00:35:33
About the bees.
00:35:34
It's natural.
00:35:35
That has to happen or else it wouldn't work.
00:35:38
All the queens would probably fight, I guess.
00:35:40
But then I worry that she's using this kind of thinking to rationalize acts that are brutal.
00:35:48
You know, on the one hand, when young Lottie comforted Shawna after eating Jackie, she said she would have wanted you to for your baby.
00:35:55
That makes sense to me.
00:35:56
But also, is this the same kind of thing like it's not brutal?
00:36:00
It's just natural and what has to happen is that the same kind of thinking that led them to chase pit curl into the pit and then eat her.
00:36:06
You know, like you could maybe rationalize like, well, we had to do it because we would not survive if we didn't.
00:36:13
I think that happens a lot of people tell themselves a lot of stories so they can sleep at night.
00:36:20
Yeah.
00:36:21
And I mean, Lottie, another saying of hers is let the darkness set us free.
00:36:25
And that makes me nervous.
00:36:28
Like, and all this, I think the show is about how we repress things and it's about finding a situation where people's inner like savage nature can come out or be through pressures or whatever.
00:36:48
And so, I think Lottie really, I just wonder if we'll ever see this really dark stuff that she's encouraging people to do.
00:36:59
But you're right.
00:37:00
So far, I mean, I do think it's really bad what she did with Travis, but she was under the influence.
00:37:05
So there's some leeway there.
00:37:07
And then she goes back to the beehive at the end and she's the bea's are dead and she's crying and freaked out in the honeycombs covered in blood.
00:37:15
And I wondered if she has these kind of schizophrenic hallucinations often or maybe the presence of Natalie triggered them.
00:37:26
Right.
00:37:27
Is this something that hasn't happened in a while?
00:37:30
Yeah.
00:37:31
Or is this something that happens frequently?
00:37:36
Is she medicated?
00:37:38
I mean, I would say not.
00:37:40
Yeah, I would think not. She wants to be natural.
00:37:46
And then one more thing is just in the past when she gives when Lottie gives Shawna her baby shower present the blanket with a symbol on it and that gets mad.
00:37:59
And Lottie says just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's evil.
00:38:02
And then people start taking sides.
00:38:06
Yeah.
00:38:07
Which more people seem to be on her side.
00:38:10
I think they all were except for Nat and Ty.
00:38:15
And Ty.
00:38:16
Yeah, okay.
00:38:17
Which is significant.
00:38:19
It is.
00:38:20
Yeah.
00:38:21
It's interesting though.
00:38:23
If you look at once the birds started falling from the sky.
00:38:28
There was a definite split because van, Mari, Misty, Crystal and Travis pick up the birds.
00:38:36
And everybody else goes inside.
00:38:39
And remember, at the end of season one, she only had Misty and Van.
00:38:47
Yeah.
00:38:48
Now she's picked up a few more.
00:38:50
And you can see it splitting Ty and Van.
00:38:53
Mm-hmm.
00:38:54
Yeah.
00:38:55
And did she say we should gather as blessings?
00:38:58
Is that what she said about the birds?
00:39:00
The whole thing, I mean, Shana's note, they're fighting over Lottie. And then Shana's note starts bleeding.
00:39:06
And then you hear the birds crashing in.
00:39:08
And man, this shirt does seem supernatural.
00:39:10
All this stuff.
00:39:11
It reminds me of servant if you've watched that show.
00:39:13
Stuff like that happens on that show all the time.
00:39:16
The blood drips on to the symbol.
00:39:18
Yeah.
00:39:19
Oh, wow.
00:39:20
Yeah, the blood.
00:39:21
They show Shana's nose bleeds.
00:39:24
Like Lottie pushes the baby blanket with the symbol on it.
00:39:29
The blood starts falling onto the symbol.
00:39:31
And then you hear the bird fall.
00:39:33
It wants blood.
00:39:34
Mm-hmm.
00:39:35
Yeah.
00:39:36
Wow.
00:39:37
And then someone said something about there's iron in the ground and the birds were attracted to it.
00:39:42
They always try to slip in something that could possibly explain how it really happened.
00:39:48
Well, we don't know what the mineral life is like there.
00:39:52
The timeliness, peculiar.
00:39:54
Of course.
00:39:59
Remember in season one, Lottie was having premonitions or something to an unt...to going underground.
00:40:06
So...and we haven't seen that yet.
00:40:08
Right.
00:40:09
Is that real?
00:40:10
Is that real?
00:40:11
Is that real?
00:40:12
If it is, we don't know.
00:40:14
I don't think Lottie...and again, speculation, but I don't think she's like pretending to be good, but really she's bad.
00:40:22
But I do think it's possible that some of her...the way her ways of thinking could lead to some really dark stuff, even though she's just trying to help.
00:40:33
Mm-hmm.
00:40:34
Like I think at one point, at the end of season one, when Coach was trying to assert some adult authority, Lottie said, "Stay out of it."
00:40:46
Yeah.
00:40:47
You know, like you can see that potential in her.
00:40:50
And based on what she said about the Queen Bee and everything, and this is natural, it's not brutal.
00:40:56
Like I'm imagining, and who knows what will happen by the time we get to this in the show, but that she's the one who like convinced everybody to chase the squirrel into the pit.
00:41:06
And it's like, "Hey, it's natural."
00:41:10
And we don't know if that's the first time they did that.
00:41:13
Right.
00:41:14
I mean, it could be...that could be like the last time they did it, or it could be the first time or second time.
00:41:22
I will say this. Natalie does say to Lisa at one point before she goes in for her little therapy session with Lottie.
00:41:31
Lisa has a chicken and an axe, and after Lisa chops the chicken's head off, Natalie says, "Never swing an axe close to your hand."
00:41:41
And I'm just thinking that that comes from experience.
00:41:45
I know. Yeah, I did think about that.
00:41:47
So it's like, "Ah, okay, I'm ready. I'm ready."
00:41:52
More questions continue to pile up through even the first three episodes.
00:41:57
And it was like Lisa was trying to intimidate Nat in some way with cutting off a chicken's head right in front of her and the blood going everywhere.
00:42:08
But like, Natalie's like, "Oh, no, no, you're gonna have to do more than that."
00:42:14
Yeah, she's not pleased.
00:42:16
Yeah.
00:42:17
Julia at Lewis played that so well.
00:42:19
Oh, yeah. She's great.
00:42:21
And yet you can see like, there's a part of her that wants to believe.
00:42:26
Yeah.
00:42:27
She wants to get help with all of that. And I think even more than that, you can see that there's a part of her that wants to survive now.
00:42:37
Whereas before at the end of season one, we just saw her with nothing. No will to live.
00:42:42
Oh. You said part of it wants to believe. Is that what you're saying?
00:42:45
Yeah.
00:42:46
Yeah. Okay. That really resonates with me. That's, I mean, it seems obvious now, but why she has stuck around because she's
00:42:54
on the surface totally anti any of this, but underneath she's like, "I need help, but maybe you can help me."
00:43:04
Yeah.
00:43:05
And I know I wasn't on last week and I didn't get to talk about the whole lotty story about Travis dying.
00:43:12
And I just don't believe one word of it.
00:43:15
Yeah.
00:43:18
I don't know what the truth is and I don't think lotty killed Travis, but the truth was not what she said.
00:43:26
I don't buy that for herself.
00:43:27
Yeah. It's weird.
00:43:28
I think something went wrong.
00:43:30
Whatever was going on, something went wrong.
00:43:33
Yeah.
00:43:33
And she doesn't want to share what's true.
00:43:38
Okay. Let's move along to the next point.
00:43:42
Daphne, what do you got?
00:43:49
All right. I got to talk about the side show that is Shawna and Jeff because this episode I, I mean, I've kind of been shipping them for the last, you know, couple of episodes since Jeff turned out to be kind of cool.
00:44:03
In this episode, Jeff actually scares the waitress away at the start by saying it was the strawberry loop and I'm thinking, is this going to be there is this season's there is no book club.
00:44:18
You know, the meme that keeps giving, I feel like this is going to be it.
00:44:23
I could have gone strawberry. That's what I know.
00:44:28
And he's like, this is when I decided that he chose to be no fun.
00:44:33
And he thinks that Shawna slept with Adam because, you know, he's no fun and being with him was exciting and Shawna was just, I felt like she was super raw in it by just saying no, she just didn't want to be succumb to being this, you know, boring version of herself.
00:44:53
It makes me think that sometimes maybe they're thinking and Shawna included that back in the wilderness, they had this exciting time where they never knew what was going to happen.
00:45:07
And instead now she lives this Monday life where she didn't go to school and she's living Jackie's life basically because that's what she's doing.
00:45:18
I think that happens like for soldiers, you know, even if it's something bad, it's something with this heightened emotion and adrenaline and it's hard to go back to every day life after that.
00:45:33
Yeah.
00:45:34
It's interesting because in the past timeline when she's kind of freaking out a little bit and Lottie's telling her everything that she wants to hear that, you know, none of this is your fault.
00:45:48
And Jackie would have wanted you to do it. She would you did for you and for your baby.
00:45:54
And then Shawna is like still worried and she goes, I just don't know what's going to happen. And then Lottie says, you're not going to hurt your child.
00:46:05
You're going to be a wonderful mother and everything's going to be fine, which I'm like, oh, is that the one time Lottie's wrong?
00:46:12
Because we don't know what happened to this kid and yeah, I would say Lottie's wrong.
00:46:17
But the other thing that I'm going to say is that she's not going to hurt her child. And then Lottie says, well, I'm going to be a good mother to the kid that she does have.
00:46:24
But what my point in bringing that up was that young Shawna was freaking out about not knowing what was going to happen next.
00:46:31
But it appears by the time she becomes an adult, she's become excited by not knowing what's going to happen next and maybe even addicted to it.
00:46:41
And Jeff tries to be super spontaneous because he wants to take some to colonial Williamsburg. And I have to tell you, is that an adventure?
00:46:51
I don't know. I mean, I would consider it an adventure in my life right now.
00:46:57
I don't know. I don't know. The whole turning butter thing probably not.
00:47:02
No. No. I'd like to give it a little more.
00:47:06
But like I'm laughing that Jeff's big crossroad in life is that he rejected Strawberry Lou.
00:47:14
And that he's afraid he's too boring for Shawna. And that's why she slept with an artist.
00:47:21
She doesn't like knowing what was going to happen. That's why she did it, which is basically the same thing as saying this is too boring.
00:47:28
She's agreeing with him, even though she's disagreeing.
00:47:31
And so his solution is to take her for some butter turning to go to Virginia again. I'm sorry. I don't think that that's quite what Shawna was referring to.
00:47:42
I don't think that's the big spontaneous thing that's going to get her.
00:47:46
Blacksmithing though.
00:47:48
Yeah, blacksmithing.
00:47:49
Maybe.
00:47:50
But I'll tell you what does get her fired up when they get card jacked and she grabs the gun.
00:47:56
And she's in control.
00:47:57
They're on some different wavelengths. They are on some totally different pages.
00:48:03
Yeah, when she I knew she was going to grab the gun just the way that Shawna's not going to let that go down.
00:48:10
She's too tough for that. And then Jeff, what was he doing?
00:48:16
He didn't they had won. They were not going to lose their beat. Not many van. It was all set. And Jeff just ruined it.
00:48:25
Like, what are you doing, Shawna? Like, he goes, when you Rambo and she goes, you just handed him our car and he goes, he had a gun and she goes, I have the gun.
00:48:37
I thought that he honestly it was like Jeff was going to give the gun back to the guy.
00:48:44
I know. Sorry.
00:48:46
I just am like, who does that? I can't take her anywhere. No. And of course Shawna keeps the gun and puts it in her jacket pocket. Of course she does because she's Shawna.
00:48:58
And he doesn't notice that. Like, no. Yeah.
00:49:02
Yeah, these two are on to two totally different wavelengths, you know, of what constitutes spicing things up.
00:49:11
Definitely. But that isn't where it ends. We get to see Shawna doing something that is probably the most badass thing that she's done.
00:49:22
And that is go and get their beat up minivan. She takes the gun and she goes to the garage and she just goes in like this meek little housewife.
00:49:32
But she has a gun and she's shaking. The guy is like, your hands are shaking. And then she goes into her monologue. Have you ever peeled the skin off a human corpse?
00:49:44
It's really stuck on us skin. You have to roll back the edges of it so you can get a good enough grip to really pull.
00:49:52
Which again, isn't easy. People are always so sweaty when you kill them. There's a look people get when they realize they're going to die.
00:50:01
It's that one. At the time, the guy finally realizes how serious it is and he gives the van back. And I'm just thinking, okay.
00:50:11
So we know they ate Jackie. And she said it when she was talking about peeling the skin back. She said it.
00:50:21
And she really wanted to kill that guy. She said my hand wasn't shaking because it was afraid it was shaking because of how badly I wanted to do this.
00:50:30
Yes, you could think that she's just saying that to freak him out, but I kind of I believe her.
00:50:36
And she already gutted Adam like she didn't have to gut him. She could have just stuck the knife in.
00:50:43
Based on this, I think they actually do kill. I think she's already killed somebody beyond Adam. I think it went way back to Teenage Shawnee in the wilderness.
00:50:58
I think they killed their teammates. One, two, five. I'm not sure.
00:51:04
And maybe not like one on one, but right as a group as a group. Yeah. I did like a mob mentality. Like I, she's in part addicted to that.
00:51:15
And so this has reawakened. I think Cinta is being around misty.
00:51:22
Adam to and Adam. I think it opened up this piece of hair that she hasn't allowed out in such a long time.
00:51:30
It's that whole thing I was saying about repressed savage in her nature. Yeah. And so I think she is.
00:51:38
This makes her high. She's getting high off this. And now that she's got to this point.
00:51:44
How's she going to continue to get high when she. I mean, what's the next step? I don't know.
00:51:51
Laser tag.
00:51:54
I don't know about that. We see young Shawna in the wilderness. And she's lost it.
00:52:03
I mean, she really has. And I tried to think about what she must be thinking and feeling.
00:52:09
I can't imagine the fear and distress that she's in. She's having this baby with no choice in the matter.
00:52:17
I mean, if she was back in civilization, she would most likely not be having this baby.
00:52:24
Right. She knows she's malnourished. She has no medical care. No prenatal care.
00:52:31
No one to help her bring this baby on. I mean, I remember how scary it was for me to have a baby to think about having birth at 24 years old.
00:52:40
She's just a kid. And she's terrified. And she's already lost it. And I just can't imagine like where she is in her state of mind.
00:52:51
And I'm thinking that we don't think anything good happens to this baby.
00:52:57
If something happens to that baby, that's just the catalyst for her to completely.
00:53:04
Yeah. And maybe she could be the leader of it. Who knows. Right. That would be pretty cool.
00:53:10
I'm not convinced the baby dies though, but we don't know. We just don't know.
00:53:15
Well, I mean, and Shawna said she'd want us to she wants us to to eating Jackie.
00:53:21
She was the one who said the words. She's malnourished. And yeah, she knows she has to I mean, she has to think about it every single day.
00:53:31
Like my baby is starving. Yeah. Right. And the starvation, you know, your body will just naturally give most of what you have to the baby if you're starving.
00:53:42
And so she feels it even more so. Yeah.
00:53:46
I'm in a sense we're talking about it. I'm going to read this interview snippet from Melanie Linsky with Harper's Bazaar about what might have happened with the baby. She doesn't give anything away.
00:53:57
But they say, do you think Shawna's first pregnancy reverberates into her relationship with Cali in the present. They also asked, you know,
00:54:06
just kind of without saying anything about what happened to the baby. So she says, I think it's huge because whatever happened in the woods with the baby was so traumatic and so awful that she just said to herself, I will never ever do that again.
00:54:18
I'm not going to go anywhere near anything that reminds me of that time. And then she found herself married to somebody who wanted a kid and she just felt that for the good of her marriage, she probably should have a child.
00:54:28
It's an interesting thing to be playing somebody who has a kid that they don't really want. She loves her and she's trying to be good at being a mother, but she's just not.
00:54:37
She's just not a maternal person. And so she's full of resentment. Now Cali is at the age Shawna was when she was in the wilderness.
00:54:45
And there's part over the things. Look at this little brat just living your life and being snarky. I never got to be a dick to my mom and then go to a party. I never got that experience. She's trying to have empathy, but that wasn't her reality. So she's just really, really struggling for me personally.
00:54:59
I was so desperate to have a baby. Now I have my daughter and every single day of my life. I'm just so grateful. So it's an interesting thing to play such a combative parent child relationship.
00:55:09
She wanted to make it clear that she's a good mom, even if yeah, but that was interesting to me to hear that perspective from Melanie Linsky that she's just not a maternal person, you know.
00:55:23
And maybe she lost too much to be. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what yeah.
00:55:29
I've heard so much hate online for Cali and I don't think Cali deserves all that. I don't either. I know she's a brat, but I mean truly she thinks and has pretty solid evidence that her parents have done some crazy shit.
00:55:48
She killed someone right and she's right about it. And also it's very interesting how the fans are so forgiving of this other group of 17 year olds who are doing all this crazy stuff, but they're so, you know, much vitriol towards Cali.
00:56:08
People respond to vibe and attitude. Yeah, especially on TV, you know, even like it goes the other way to how I always get mad at people don't you see what this person did, but they're charming.
00:56:20
So everyone likes them. Yeah, you can go that way too. Yeah, I again, it's what they want us to see, but I really feel bad for Cali. I mean like she's she's in pain. She's in a bar. She's, you know, smoking a lot of pot.
00:56:36
And she's breaking up with her boyfriend impulsively like she's she's in trouble.
00:56:41
So you think that she teeters between, oh my God, I'm going to lose everything and my parents are going to go to jail. There's going to, you know, my life's going to come crashing down and.
00:56:53
Oh my God, I should go to the police and report what I know about Adam. I don't think she think she should go to the police. I think she's still protective of her parents.
00:57:03
I think she's just trying to cope with what's happened or the reality when you're you're still under your parents care. Yeah.
00:57:14
And yet you're like, man, they're fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So about I had a few, I had a point about Sean.
00:57:23
And so I'm just going to say the parts that we haven't talked about yet really quick. The whole thing about they almost ran into that guy and it turned out to be a scam and he pulled the gun on him.
00:57:35
It just made me realize there's a lot of car accidents or near misses in the show. There was Shawna hitting Adam.
00:57:42
There was young Laughty with her parents when they almost hit someone last episode tie and Simone rammed into somebody and now this guy is scamming them.
00:57:54
And there was a big plane crash at one point. So lots of crashes are almost crashes.
00:58:00
I don't know why what that says, maybe one of the writers just gotten a crash sometimes can't forget about it. I don't know.
00:58:07
About Jeff, you know, he's just really trying to be this exciting guy and he's just coming off so weak and milk toast about it and especially trying to pull the gun away from Shawna.
00:58:20
But all of that makes me wonder with Shawna's like escalating thrill seeking that maybe a part of her was excited that he was trying to pull off the whole black male thing because that was pretty dangerous and edgy.
00:58:31
Yeah.
00:58:33
I don't know. One of the reasons why Shawna said she was pissed that the guy got away with the car is because Callie's what was it Mr. Schwusms?
00:58:46
Little stuffy.
00:58:48
Yeah, it is.
00:58:50
I have it written down Mr Schwusms.
00:58:54
And so she gives it to Callie was she sleeping and it was really sweet and then Callie instinctively cuddles it like childhood sense memory.
00:59:03
I was really cute, but it was also potentially a caring maternal moment from someone who he said wasn't that maternal.
00:59:11
Yeah.
00:59:12
I also saw it as she is done being this meek suburban housewife. She has gotten a taste of getting her power back and she is not giving it up.
00:59:26
And it was like no, I'm going to take my destiny into my own hands.
00:59:31
Yeah, I found it fascinating.
00:59:33
Yeah.
00:59:35
I feel like the theme of this repressed inner savage nature that sounds bad, but it can be empowering to and maybe the happy ending for any of these characters is if they just sort of get a handle on that so that they can channel it in ways that aren't too destructive if possible, you know, to themselves or to others.
00:59:59
Maybe.
01:00:01
Okay.
01:00:02
It's yours, Wendy.
01:00:05
All right, I'm going to talk about our citizen detective hook up.
01:00:10
I loved this part.
01:00:12
I really just really loved it.
01:00:15
We see both past and present, Misty and new and interesting places.
01:00:22
She has a new friend and she desperately needed one and I have a feeling that she hasn't really had a friend like this in a long, long time.
01:00:35
And this is Crystal.
01:00:36
You can see she's just shining brighter now.
01:00:39
Crystal's giving her support.
01:00:41
She's the friend.
01:00:43
They're kind of pairing off together doing things together and she's just soaking it all in.
01:00:49
Crystal in the one scene you can see Crystal just offhandedly playing with Misty's hair.
01:00:55
Something, you know, that little girls do all the time.
01:01:00
They're really bonding.
01:01:02
She coaches her to do a dramatic recreation of a scene from Steel Magnolias.
01:01:07
Have you guys seen Steel Magnolias?
01:01:10
Yes.
01:01:11
I have.
01:01:12
And this came out in 1989 and the actress just does this amazing job of channeling Sally Field so well.
01:01:22
I was impressed.
01:01:24
She did such a great job.
01:01:26
I was moved by it.
01:01:27
Yes.
01:01:28
It was so good because you know the direction is because everybody's giggling because it's Misty and it was not a great scene to play.
01:01:37
Yeah.
01:01:42
But then they're so taken in by a performance.
01:01:44
So that was Samantha Hanraddy's job.
01:01:46
Do such an incredible performance that it's believable that these people who are usually bullying you and laughing at you are going to be taken in and impressed by it.
01:01:55
And she did such a great job that I was right there with them.
01:01:58
I was about ready to start crying.
01:02:00
The accent, everything.
01:02:02
She had it.
01:02:03
She did.
01:02:04
It was amazing and you could see how, like you said, Jason, they started out giggling and then little by little she got that whole room.
01:02:13
She got them.
01:02:14
And at the end they all applaud and you can see the praise and you can just see Misty's face just shining.
01:02:21
It's so great.
01:02:23
And I know like Misty has caused a lot of problems.
01:02:29
But I just keep rooting for her every time and it was really nice for us to see this moment for her and for her to have a frame when they were in the little blanket for it.
01:02:41
They had made talking.
01:02:43
I just so cute and adorable.
01:02:45
Loved it.
01:02:46
Can I talk a little bit about Crystal Misty?
01:02:49
So this was maybe my second favorite part of the episode.
01:03:03
These two, even though I do think it's pretty conspicuous for the perfect friend to just show up out of the ether.
01:03:03
Where was she last season when we're seeing you different.
01:03:06
Okay, you gotta let that go.
01:03:07
So like Crystal is having a huge impact on Misty.
01:03:11
They're bonding over admitting that eating Jackie wasn't that terrible, which is weird, you know, but it also kind of makes sense.
01:03:18
But then Crystal says to bed, they didn't listen to your broth idea, which I fucking laughed so much at.
01:03:24
And then promise you won't tell, but that wasn't the first time I've eaten a person.
01:03:29
I actually absorbed my identical twin in the womb.
01:03:32
When she said that, I was like, this chick is the perfect friend for Misty.
01:03:36
I'm out.
01:03:37
It's so weird.
01:03:38
Such a misty thing.
01:03:39
Yeah, to say.
01:03:40
And then she said that she feels like she's channeling her twin when she's on stage, because we know she's a musician, right?
01:03:47
She's a show person.
01:03:48
And a singer.
01:03:50
Misty said, I'm always in awe when I can see someone becoming someone else, which I thought was a really great line.
01:03:57
And I think it applies to Misty here because of Crystal.
01:04:01
Misty's becoming someone else, maybe more like adult Misty, where they're talking about acting.
01:04:09
And Crystal says, it's all about failure.
01:04:11
You keep failing to find what's true about the character.
01:04:13
And Misty says, what if I never find what's true?
01:04:16
And she goes, well, then it says, my acting coach always says you found the biggest truth of all.
01:04:20
We're made of lies.
01:04:22
And I think that's really comforting to Misty because she feels like she has to fake, quote unquote, normal emotions of behavior to fit in with people.
01:04:30
And so this is like giving permission and understanding around that.
01:04:33
And then the whole monologue around Steel Magnolia is, well, that's, yeah, Sally Fields character.
01:04:39
Emlin, is that her name? Emlin?
01:04:41
And she, her daughter, Shelby, who's played by Julie Roberts, has diabetes.
01:04:48
She's told she shouldn't have a baby, but she has a baby anyway.
01:04:51
And she has kidney failure, and she needs a kidney transplant.
01:04:54
So Emlin donates her kidney to her, but then Shelby gets an, has an interaction in her central nervous system because of the therapy that keeps her body from rejecting the kidney.
01:05:02
And she dies.
01:05:03
So that's when Emlin delivers this monologue.
01:05:05
So for Shauna's baby shower, Misty's giving this dialogue of a woman who lost her daughter basically for complications of childbirth.
01:05:13
But then it's so brilliant.
01:05:16
And at Crystal's urging, Misty's becoming someone else learning how to act, learning how to lie convincingly basically.
01:05:24
And so just touching on one little thing that happens in the future when Walter asks why Misty is downvoting his leads on Adam on the web.
01:05:35
She lies about this whole thing, about she knew his mother and didn't want the information out in the world because it would reveal his addiction or whatever she said.
01:05:44
I think that's what she's doing.
01:05:48
She's acting.
01:05:49
I wish she learned to do with Crystal, you know.
01:05:52
She can't tell she be worth someone else sheet.
01:05:55
Yeah.
01:05:57
Hope I didn't step on anything you were going to say.
01:06:00
In the current day, we see Walter and Misty and you can really see Misty is surprised at his interest in her.
01:06:11
You know, like at one point, she says, why would you do all that just to meet me?
01:06:15
And she's really kind of basking in it. And I loved just having somebody that she seemed to have the upper hand over because she rarely seems to have the upper hand over not in Shawna and Ty.
01:06:30
So I just, I really liked this part.
01:06:33
I thought it added delightness that we needed.
01:06:36
Really enjoyed it.
01:06:37
And I like them two together and I want to keep seeing more.
01:06:41
Me too, but I'm still worried about what he said.
01:06:44
What do you say?
01:06:46
So at the end, just before she leaves, he says, maybe I'm just a bored Moriarty looking for his Sherlock.
01:06:59
Okay, Sherlock and Moriarty were, Moriarty was Sherlock's nemesis, not his BFF.
01:07:07
That was Watson.
01:07:09
For him to say Moriarty, I'm a little concerned that he's a little more evil than what we've seen.
01:07:18
Moriarty's evil.
01:07:20
Yeah, yeah.
01:07:21
So I would fully expect this to be a love hate relationship.
01:07:26
Yeah.
01:07:27
It seems like a very straightforward rom-com right now where he's like impressing her and pursuing her.
01:07:35
And she's actually kind of reticent about the whole thing, but she's like, maybe her heart's opening a little,
01:07:43
and that's so very rom-com that I feel like it can't be that straightforward.
01:07:48
And it also kind of makes, maybe I'm wrong about this, but it doesn't totally match up with how misty it was in season one
01:07:56
where she was just trying to get any guy she could.
01:07:59
And now suddenly one comes along and maybe sometimes that's the way it is.
01:08:02
You only want what you can't have, but anyway, once one comes along it seems available, then she's kind of suspicious about it.
01:08:09
Yeah, I'm not sure if he's going to be one that survives the season or he may end up in misty's basement.
01:08:16
We all know what happens when you go to misty's basement.
01:08:19
I think she's suspicious because of how he came to her and how...
01:08:24
That's not the typical avenue that men come to her because we see like she's on dating apps, she goes out on dates.
01:08:33
And this is a guy that came through a different channel.
01:08:36
And I think she's a little distrusting of that as she probably should be.
01:08:40
But I think so too.
01:08:42
I felt like she was open to it in her misty way.
01:08:47
I also thought it was really funny how Randy was about to give up Jeff completely and they just didn't catch on to it.
01:08:57
Yeah, that's right.
01:08:59
Well, it's pretty dumb that Randy would think that the FBI would want to meet him on a boat anyway.
01:09:05
I don't think Randy's the sharpest tool.
01:09:07
He's not. He's just dumb.
01:09:10
Yeah, the whole thing with like it was interesting that Walter invited misty and Randy almost exactly the same time.
01:09:20
Even though he didn't even know what he was supposed to ask Randy.
01:09:24
And it seems like if he was smart, he would have had misty come and formulated game plan before it was time for Randy to get there.
01:09:34
Maybe the counterpoint to that is he's just feels like he's so good that he can live on the seat of his pants.
01:09:40
I got a handle. Don't worry.
01:09:42
We don't need.
01:09:43
Well, he doesn't have anything to stake.
01:09:45
It's misty that has everything to lose.
01:09:48
But it felt a little bit forced tension where it didn't totally make sense for there to be tension there.
01:09:56
And then the whole bad cop thing where he tells him to smack him.
01:10:01
It was funny, I guess.
01:10:03
And then he has what like a little saw hands on something.
01:10:08
I don't know what that is.
01:10:09
And I love Randy's like dude.
01:10:12
And misty love that like the handsaw talking because she's a psycho.
01:10:17
Yeah, she's down for it.
01:10:19
But he didn't realize like he didn't know that misty knew Randy.
01:10:23
At least that wasn't a parent.
01:10:25
Yeah.
01:10:26
So he doesn't know everything.
01:10:28
So what they got out of that is that there were people in purple robes, the purple people.
01:10:36
And they bought a phanta.
01:10:40
And so he got from their credit card information that they're at cherry corners, which is what is that?
01:10:47
A town.
01:10:48
And so they're going to go on a road trip to cherry corners.
01:10:53
All they've got to do is go there and say hey, do you know any people?
01:10:57
No, any people that purple people wear purple is Lottie in New Jersey?
01:11:04
No, I think she is in New York.
01:11:06
I think she's in cherry corners.
01:11:08
Is that New York?
01:11:09
Yeah.
01:11:10
Is that a real place?
01:11:11
I don't, I don't think so.
01:11:14
I've never heard of it.
01:11:16
Because some people, I think it's in the listener feedback.
01:11:19
We're asking if Lottie's a camper, whatever you want to call it, is in the place where the playing crashed.
01:11:26
You know, like she went and reappropriated it.
01:11:28
But I think that's two remotes.
01:11:30
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:31
And they drove to Travis's work and everything.
01:11:33
Yeah.
01:11:34
So I don't think that's the case.
01:11:36
Anything else?
01:11:37
That's it.
01:11:38
All right.
01:11:39
I'm going to talk about Ty, who, like I said, I think this show has a lot of really fascinating themes.
01:11:48
But what's coming up for me more in this season is how our repressed, savage, inner nature,
01:11:55
and the circumstances where we might let that out.
01:11:59
And in particular, the repression of those who are oppressed, like, or who are normally oppressed.
01:12:06
Teenagers are kind of oppressed.
01:12:09
They can't live the lives that they would like to live.
01:12:12
Women are oppressed.
01:12:14
Gay people are oppressed.
01:12:16
People with mental illnesses are oppressed.
01:12:19
And so we're seeing all these types of people who get to kind of let out their, their savage side.
01:12:29
In an interview, one of the showrunners Jonathan Lisco talked about how that whole Travis
01:12:35
Nat Lottie sex thing from last week wasn't supposed to necessarily be like a love triangle.
01:12:40
But it was more about Travis's struggle between faith and pragmatism.
01:12:44
So Lottie represents faith and Nat pragmatism.
01:12:48
And then at Paley Fest, which just happened like a few days ago or something,
01:12:53
Koshra and her Ashley Lyle talked some about the man with no eyes, this man that Thai keeps seeing.
01:13:03
She said, "We see in the first season that Thai has lived as this person who's based her life on pragmatism.
01:13:10
I personally believe that she would define herself as an atheist if not an agnostic.
01:13:15
And yet as a young child, she had this incredibly informative traumatic experience when her grandmother,
01:13:21
who she was very close to, was close to death and had this sort of terrifying moment where she was anticipating, you know,
01:13:27
the transition to the next life and expecting sort of angels and trumpets.
01:13:31
And instead had a terrifying vision."
01:13:34
Lottie said, "The figure's inclusion wasn't random adding she's done a lot of research on the visions people have in their final moments."
01:13:41
So I've gone down the rabbit hole of things like near death experiences and there are a lot of threads about hospice nurses
01:13:47
and what people do in their last moment moments.
01:13:50
And I've lost a lot of sleep because of it because it's not an uncommon experience that people will see something disturbing.
01:13:56
And so I think that for Thaisa, who's very much not in touch with her spiritual self and very much not in touch with her ability to believe or her faith,
01:14:06
there's this sort of symbolic character of, you know, you could look at him as death incarnate.
01:14:12
When it comes to the mystery, unnamed character, Lael bought it, boiled it down to two words.
01:14:17
I think what he represents is the unknown.
01:14:20
And the unknown is something that Thaisa is very uncomfortable with as a character and we will dig further into that.
01:14:26
So I feel like I'm going, touching on a bunch of different points here, but with Thaisa, I think, because of her fear of the unknown,
01:14:35
she's ended by the man with no eyes. She becomes very pragmatic and controlling of everything in her life.
01:14:41
You know, she's got to have things a certain way and she's just tenacious and getting it exactly the way she wants.
01:14:49
But then she represses all of this other stuff, her wild mystical darker side or savage side that would make a sacrificial shrine to help influence events.
01:15:00
And that's all, like, channelled into this other person, you know, the, what do we say, the bad one?
01:15:10
And this side can take charge when she has to do things that aren't so nice.
01:15:15
Like, it's the side that came out when they ate Jackie, which was pretty move, pretty crazy tie steps out of the cabin, sees Jackie's corpse and starts, like, freaking out.
01:15:26
And I'm like, oh man, that wasn't even her. And she's like, something ate her. We ate her.
01:15:32
You really don't remember? No, you ate her face.
01:15:36
And then when Thais screamed, that was very intense and kind of moving. What a great acting job there.
01:15:46
It just made me think, God, if you had this, like, where it's like dissociative identity sort of, which we've talked about, I think, in our podcast in season one, where you just wake up and you don't know what your other self did.
01:16:00
And that's got to be rough.
01:16:03
And kind of reminds me of the whole thing.
01:16:05
And it seems like that's what she has, right?
01:16:07
Yeah, it seems like that.
01:16:10
I don't think she would have enough knowledge of her situation that when she does come to, she would stop putting the people that she loves in danger.
01:16:22
What do you mean? Like, I mean, she told her wife to take her son out of the house.
01:16:26
Sammy and Simone. I know she did, but, you know, now she's at her bedside.
01:16:35
And she's not safe to be there.
01:16:38
And Simone wouldn't want her there.
01:16:41
That's true.
01:16:42
Yeah, so I mean, just out of there.
01:16:44
But she did try it. Like, she did tell them to leave.
01:16:46
I she did her place.
01:16:48
And poor Steve.
01:16:50
Where is Steve?
01:16:52
I don't know.
01:16:54
And she drew that damn symbol on Simone's hand and then she freaks out at seeing it.
01:16:59
Who knows why she freaked out exactly, but the symbol is the unknown.
01:17:05
It's the mystical, you know, and that's what the bad one is more in alignment with, which, well, that leads into young ties.
01:17:14
She just bolts up out of bed next to Van and trying to do unduer bindings and van sees that this is the bad one and says,
01:17:24
Hey, if I let you loose, can I come with you?
01:17:27
And Ty says, yes, come.
01:17:28
And I'm like, ooh, the first, first lucid talking appearance of this other side of her, I think.
01:17:36
And then they go chasing at her van chases her and she's chasing the one with no eyes and advances that he always follow.
01:17:46
Only when she lets me.
01:17:47
She who am I?
01:17:48
She who is she?
01:17:50
Tyesa.
01:17:51
Oh, then who are you?
01:17:53
And then she doesn't answer.
01:17:55
And they go to the, oh, she's looked at her like, how dare you ask me that.
01:18:00
And then they go to the, she goes to the tree with a symbol on it, which last time when she was chasing the one with no eyes, there was a symbol there too.
01:18:09
So that's a huge mystery.
01:18:12
I have no idea exactly what's going on, but it's all related to all this sort of mystical stuff.
01:18:18
I feel like Van might get to a place where she's had enough. She seems kind of at the end of her rope with Ty.
01:18:27
Really? Why do you say that?
01:18:29
Because so far she's just been totally supportive.
01:18:33
Well, I think when they were arguing over Lottie and giving Chana that baby blanket with the symbol on it,
01:18:44
Ty spoke up against Lottie and Van was, I can't remember the exact exchange they had, but Van was like, nobody is saying that.
01:18:56
I think it was, she's like, like, she's not a god.
01:19:00
Yeah, nobody is saying that.
01:19:01
Nobody is saying that.
01:19:02
And you could just see Van's kind of exasperation with the situation and I think that may.
01:19:07
I think that's, yeah, you can be right, but they've already had that fight last season.
01:19:13
Right? About faith and stuff and what you believe.
01:19:19
And they, you know, at least how it isn't relationships, the same fights can come up over and over again, but they had the fight and then they've since then just been super supportive of each other.
01:19:29
So to me, that just came off like that's a bone of contention between them that's been ongoing.
01:19:36
What it is.
01:19:37
But it doesn't necessarily mean that Van is also going to just not want to deal with anything else.
01:19:44
I think they're headed for something big.
01:19:47
Probably, like where, where sides are going to need to be chosen.
01:19:52
Yeah.
01:19:53
Yeah.
01:19:54
And either Ty goes against what she feels is right, which I think it's obvious she doesn't think Lottie is okay.
01:20:02
Either she just goes against what she feels is right for Van or they're going to come apart.
01:20:11
I'm afraid.
01:20:12
Or maybe she'll just this other persona will embody will be present more because, you know, she drew the symbol on Simone's hand.
01:20:26
And we know Lottie likes the symbol and she seems more into all the mystical stuff that Lottie's into.
01:20:33
So maybe she just is more present for a while.
01:20:37
Maybe we'll see like a whole season where it's mostly her in that body.
01:20:42
Well, the bad tie if you think about it.
01:20:46
Maybe present day, Tyesa repressed that personality really deeply because of everything that happened when Lottie was born.
01:20:55
And that's why she doesn't really want it to be out now.
01:21:01
That may be where all of that is she may, I mean, probably years and years of therapy.
01:21:06
She may have packed that in.
01:21:09
And it's like I said, the happiest ending that I can see for her because if this is the same kind of metaphor that we're using with other people where they're in touch with their kind of savage nature and it's empowering to them where they've had to repress it because they've been oppressed.
01:21:24
But it's also destructive and she killed her dog, you know, and she got in a car accident with Simone, which I'm still not convinced that she meant to hit that person.
01:21:35
She wasn't looking where she was going, but she was clearly mad at Simone and pushing on the gas.
01:21:39
So she's being reckless at the least that the happiest ending for her would be to integrate those two halves and channel that energy into more constructive ways of being, you know, empowered and assertive.
01:21:53
And all that kind of stuff without hurting so many people.
01:21:58
But anyway, so we get to adult tie in the bathroom, the creepiest moment ever.
01:22:03
She turns away from the mirror and tie in the mirror doesn't turn.
01:22:06
And then she's mouthing something and I think she's saying go to her.
01:22:12
Go to her. That's what I saw.
01:22:14
And she puts her hands over her eye and it looks just so great, just like Vans mask. And she even with her hands kind of making a V shape with her fingers for Vann, I think.
01:22:27
So I think she's saying go to Vann, which suggests that Vann could be alive if bad tie knows anything, which we don't know if she does.
01:22:38
So that has me very intrigued to see what's going to happen next.
01:22:44
If being definitely right that it's all about Vann, then Vann is around and she does go see her.
01:22:53
Then that's super exciting because then we can find out why she hasn't been seeing Vans up to now.
01:22:58
But also why would her like repressed or whatever the bad one is want her to go see Vann?
01:23:06
I don't think Tyesa and Vann come out of that wilderness together.
01:23:14
Me either.
01:23:15
That's just my thoughts.
01:23:17
Together as far as meaning like a couple.
01:23:20
Yeah.
01:23:21
Yeah. I think that something happens.
01:23:24
We don't know how it is.
01:23:26
Yeah.
01:23:27
But I'm excited by the thought that Vann could be alive.
01:23:31
I hope.
01:23:32
Me too.
01:23:33
They'll show us soon.
01:23:36
If that's the case, I guess we'll see next week.
01:23:41
Yeah.
01:23:42
I hope so.
01:23:43
Hopefully.
01:23:44
Did you notice though Jason that Ty calls someone when she's leaving the hospital?
01:23:50
When she gets the keys, did you see the name on the cell phone?
01:23:55
No.
01:23:56
Jessica Roberts.
01:23:57
Yeah.
01:23:58
I don't think that calls going through.
01:24:00
No.
01:24:01
It's not.
01:24:02
Go in and straight to voicemail.
01:24:04
Yep.
01:24:05
Interesting.
01:24:06
And I'm betting like that has a tie to Vann as well.
01:24:12
That's what I would bet.
01:24:13
Yeah, maybe.
01:24:14
Well, yeah.
01:24:15
That's right.
01:24:16
Because if she did decide to go to Vann, then she would call up Jessica.
01:24:21
Hey, where's Vann?
01:24:22
Can you call Vann for me?
01:24:23
Vann's alive.
01:24:24
And they all seem to be maybe converging in the same place.
01:24:30
Maybe.
01:24:31
Exciting times ahead.
01:24:35
I wonder if there's going to be any consequences is what I'm trying to say.
01:24:42
For Misty having killed Jessica, you know, if Ty would be like, what do you do that for?
01:24:47
Oh, well, you know how hard it is to find a good fixer or whatever she is.
01:24:53
I think we're going to hear something more about it, but I don't think Misty will tell the
01:24:59
truth.
01:25:00
No, not at all.
01:25:02
Yeah.
01:25:03
I don't.
01:25:04
All right.
01:25:05
Any more points, Stephanie?
01:25:08
I wanted to mention the music in this episode.
01:25:14
There were a couple of different songs that they used.
01:25:18
Veruca Salt's "Sea There," which was when Misty was headed to see Walter.
01:25:25
And then.
01:25:26
I can't see her till I'm foaming out the mouth.
01:25:30
Yeah.
01:25:31
And then take me down by Sonica Disturbia when Jeff's being all spontaneous and taking us
01:25:37
on that delightful road trip to Colonial Williamsburg.
01:25:42
And then at the end, when Laudie is seeing that her bees are bloody and dead, there's a song
01:25:50
called "Bells for Her" by Tori Amos.
01:25:55
And that one is pretty interesting because it talks about can't stop what's on its way,
01:26:04
and I see it coming and it's on its way.
01:26:07
Yeah.
01:26:08
And the song is, I listen to the song.
01:26:10
It's really, it seems like it's about a friendship that was destroyed by a man and about a life that
01:26:17
got really complicated.
01:26:20
Or it also seemed like maybe it's just about two women or one woman with two halves.
01:26:26
So there are a few meanings for it.
01:26:31
I think it's like all songs they pick for this show, it's perfect for this scene.
01:26:37
Yeah.
01:26:38
Sometimes I wonder if they just put, even if the full context of the song may not apply,
01:26:46
the lyric that they choose to in that moment, which is can't stop what is it, can't stop what's
01:26:52
coming or something like that.
01:26:54
Can't stop what's coming, can't stop what is on its way.
01:26:58
Yeah.
01:26:59
And it's on its way.
01:27:00
Yeah.
01:27:01
And it's right as, you know, she just, I forget if it's just before after where she hallucinates
01:27:05
this person saying it wants blood, which is about sacrifice in yellow jackets.
01:27:11
So it just feels like there's a death coming.
01:27:13
I know, and I don't know, we've already lost a lot.
01:27:21
I know we're probably going to lose a lot more before the end of this series, but I'm not
01:27:27
ready to lose anyone else yet.
01:27:29
I agree.
01:27:31
Yeah.
01:27:32
I guess if it's got to be Walter and if it's done in a really entertaining way, I'll be
01:27:38
fine with that.
01:27:39
That's really sad about Ben, like just seeing him just basically giving up on life.
01:27:45
Me too.
01:27:46
But I was as, I think, Daphne, you said glad to see Coach getting some storyline.
01:27:51
Yes.
01:27:52
Mm-hmm.
01:27:53
Although it worries me.
01:27:54
It's like on last when they start having a centric episode for a particular person.
01:28:01
You're like, uh-oh.
01:28:02
That's a good point.
01:28:05
I mean, I've from day one, I thought, oh, Coach has one more episode left.
01:28:09
He's on the chopping block.
01:28:12
But I don't want to lose him.
01:28:13
No.
01:28:14
I don't.
01:28:15
I know.
01:28:16
It's a good vibes.
01:28:17
I like him.
01:28:18
I don't want to lose him.
01:28:19
And he does have that like adult dynamic that nobody else has.
01:28:24
So I think that's interesting.
01:28:25
Yeah.
01:28:26
Yeah.
01:28:27
It's interesting.
01:28:28
When this season ends, I'm going to go back and rewatch season one and season two to
01:28:34
see if I can pick up on any other things that I didn't get or things we saw last season
01:28:42
that connect to this one.
01:28:44
But I have a couple other things, but I don't know if anyone else has notes too.
01:28:49
I have just some random notes.
01:28:52
I have some random notes.
01:28:53
Let's, all right.
01:28:55
Let's go back and forth.
01:28:57
Okay.
01:28:58
So you go first.
01:28:59
All right.
01:29:00
I really liked the old Akila, but this one, this is our Akila now.
01:29:07
So we're going to have to get used to it.
01:29:08
She's good too.
01:29:09
She's good.
01:29:10
She's talking about being away from her nephew.
01:29:14
And I felt like that was the first time really, you know, listening to them settled in talking
01:29:20
about what's happening outside of the world in this world.
01:29:24
Like what's going on back at home really in this situation.
01:29:31
And Akila ends that conversation with, I guess I'd kind of do anything to see him again.
01:29:37
And this is after they've eaten Jackie.
01:29:39
And so I'm kind of like, okay, well, it's probably going to get a lot worse.
01:29:45
I think Natalie said that.
01:29:47
But I do think the reason she said that was about what they just did with Jackie for sure.
01:29:54
So after Lisa, the girl that's one of Lottie's followers, beheads that chicken in front of
01:30:01
Nat.
01:30:02
And then I guess it's the blood from the chicken is like spurted on the tree.
01:30:07
And then they transition to the blood transfusion drip of Simone in the hospital.
01:30:12
I thought that was a nice dark transition.
01:30:15
Yeah.
01:30:16
They have great transitions in this.
01:30:18
Yeah.
01:30:19
Yeah.
01:30:20
When Natalie takes Jackie's remains to the airplane, she kind of has this little one-sided
01:30:27
conversation where she said she's going to get a lot worse out here, but you're already
01:30:33
dead.
01:30:34
Yeah.
01:30:35
A lot worse.
01:30:36
One way to make everyone jealous one last time.
01:30:38
And then she's like, yeah, I'm sorry for what we did.
01:30:41
Who knows eating you might be the way we survive this winter.
01:30:45
So thanks.
01:30:46
Rest in peace, Jackie.
01:30:49
And then it was followed by this big, beautiful white mousse that Natalie doesn't seem to shoot.
01:30:56
And to me, it seems like it was symbolic.
01:31:00
Like, what they did with Jackie was letting go of this purity, this, the, the last of their
01:31:06
childhood because they've crossed over a threshold.
01:31:10
I mean, I don't know if there was any symbolism behind it, but I can tell you living in Maine,
01:31:17
we don't have any, or I've never seen a white mousse and I have seen mousse before.
01:31:21
Yeah, it almost seemed like it could be a hallucination because it weirdly just seemed
01:31:26
to disappear without any sound, but it might not have spooked and run away too.
01:31:32
I got nervous that she was hallucinating.
01:31:34
It was actually Harvey running up to the airplane.
01:31:37
Oh, man.
01:31:38
And then she shot him.
01:31:39
I, it's like hashtag wears Harvey.
01:31:43
Save Steve.
01:31:44
Yeah.
01:31:45
So many hashtags.
01:31:46
I'm not sure if it happened.
01:31:48
I could.
01:31:51
I only had two more.
01:31:54
One is I feel like Ty is not really doing anything very senatorial.
01:32:00
No.
01:32:01
And that's kind of a stands out to me after a whole season of her trying to get that job
01:32:06
and succeeding.
01:32:07
So I wonder, I kind of hope at least something comes up where she has to do something
01:32:11
senatorial.
01:32:12
Has she taken off as yet because it seemed like last episode she hadn't taken off
01:32:16
as yet.
01:32:17
So she may not have to do anything just yet.
01:32:22
It doesn't seem like she has.
01:32:24
I thought she had and they said, no, she hasn't.
01:32:27
Okay.
01:32:28
Typically it's a few.
01:32:29
I don't think so.
01:32:30
A few, at least six weeks, right?
01:32:31
Yeah.
01:32:32
Because they said you got to start campaigning for next time and she goes, well, I just won.
01:32:36
I thought one I haven't, I haven't even taken off as yeah.
01:32:40
She had.
01:32:41
Oh, okay.
01:32:42
Okay.
01:32:43
And I have to, well, there you go.
01:32:44
I'm campaigning for the next one, which is absolutely.
01:32:48
Yeah.
01:32:49
For sure.
01:32:50
Yeah.
01:32:51
My last one is Jeff and Kevin.
01:32:55
We haven't talked about this.
01:32:56
They're little exchange at the gym.
01:33:01
Kevin, you know, talks to Jeff about the hundreds of texts that were exchanged between them.
01:33:06
Jeff is so dismissive of it.
01:33:09
And just so I know my wife, I trust her unconditionally.
01:33:14
- You have really bad intel and if this is the intel,
01:33:17
you have, I feel really bad for the poor son of a bitch
01:33:22
'cause you should be out there finding him.
01:33:25
- Was that make sense even?
01:33:26
- I don't.
01:33:28
- I don't know why. - I don't know.
01:33:29
- I feel bad intel and I feel bad
01:33:31
for the guy who actually killed,
01:33:33
why would you feel bad for the guy who killed the man?
01:33:35
- No, he feels bad, no, what he feels bad for
01:33:39
is Adam is still missing.
01:33:40
- Oh.
01:33:41
- He feels bad that they're using bad intel
01:33:46
and not going, you know, not finding him.
01:33:48
- I did think Jeff was very smooth there.
01:33:51
- No, because he started the conversation.
01:33:54
- He's pretty defensive.
01:33:56
- He's like, you know, Sean is very upset
01:33:58
and I'm thinking you do not,
01:34:01
you should not be saying that to him.
01:34:03
- Yeah.
01:34:04
- Well he also said, we've been married almost 25 years
01:34:07
and I know my wife and I trust her unconditionally.
01:34:11
- Yeah.
01:34:12
- Yeah.
01:34:13
- Good to get the word.
01:34:14
- Yeah.
01:34:15
- He's not so smooth but.
01:34:19
- Kevin is smart, okay?
01:34:21
We know Kevin is smart.
01:34:23
- But I also do think Kevin is a little bound
01:34:26
by his friendship with Natalie and all of them
01:34:31
and the playing crash.
01:34:32
I think like he was not liking that that guy had taken it
01:34:37
upon himself to go approach Callie and.
01:34:41
- Yeah.
01:34:42
- You know, so I do think he's,
01:34:44
there's a part of him that's protective of them
01:34:47
and he wants to be in control of the situation.
01:34:50
So I'm not sure if he would bust them out.
01:34:54
I just don't know yet.
01:34:56
- Is Kevin like Misty in the down voting?
01:34:59
I mean, Kevin's gonna downplay or like disregard what happened?
01:35:04
- I like Kevin better this time.
01:35:08
- Yeah, I think the jury's still out.
01:35:11
- Yeah.
01:35:12
One thing though it makes me think of
01:35:14
since we've seen that little glimpse of them coming home,
01:35:18
I wanna see Natalie and Kevin reunion
01:35:20
when they're teenagers.
01:35:22
Like I wanna see that.
01:35:23
I wanna see them play.
01:35:25
- Yeah.
01:35:26
- I like those reuniting moments,
01:35:27
especially with everything that Natalie is going through
01:35:30
and has been through, at least out in the woods.
01:35:33
All the things known and unknown that they go through.
01:35:37
Natalie's disappearance affected Kevin.
01:35:40
- Oh yeah.
01:35:41
- Anything else?
01:35:43
- This show and all the speculation that goes with it
01:35:50
reminds me a lot of what we used to do on Game of Thrones.
01:35:54
Are there gonna be more dragons?
01:35:56
Who's gonna sit on the throne?
01:35:57
What's gonna happen with this?
01:35:59
What's gonna happen with that?
01:36:00
And so when I sit down to like do my notes for this,
01:36:05
I just, that was the first thing that popped into my head
01:36:08
because I feel like there's so much speculation
01:36:10
with this show and it's so wonderful
01:36:13
that it brings back all those memories and that's it.
01:36:18
♪ You can bust all you want ♪
01:36:21
♪ They don't hear you like me ♪
01:36:23
♪ I'm a guy on the wall ♪
01:36:25
♪ And you're the queen of the bitch ♪
01:36:27
(upbeat music)
01:36:30
♪ You can't do it ♪
01:36:32
♪ You can't do it ♪
01:36:34
♪ You can't do it ♪
01:36:36
♪ You can't do it ♪
01:36:38
♪ You can't do it ♪
01:36:40
♪ You can't do it ♪
01:36:42
♪ You can't do it ♪
01:36:44
- Pass me the red.
01:36:45
- All right, we're back.
01:36:46
It's time for some news, some yellow decades buzz.
01:36:49
Buzzfeed news is the first one.
01:36:51
They had an article about the infamous final scene
01:36:56
of last week's episode.
01:36:58
So if you Nalisse, who of course plays young Chana said,
01:37:01
we were pulling out the rice paper
01:37:03
and it was all soggy.
01:37:04
We were like, this is the grossest thing ever.
01:37:07
It just tastes disgusting.
01:37:09
Nalisse, who's usually a fan of rice paper,
01:37:11
said the food wasn't bad when she and the cast
01:37:13
tried it before filming.
01:37:14
However, her appetite changed once they were all assigned
01:37:17
a different part of Jackie's fake body to pick at.
01:37:20
Courtney Eaton, who plays Lottie,
01:37:24
found the quote, "Rubbery smell formed by a combination
01:37:27
of the slimy jackfruit rice paper
01:37:30
and the prosthetic body off-putting."
01:37:33
Quote, "They should have sprayed some hamburger smell
01:37:36
or something," she said.
01:37:37
Though Eaton, quote, "gagged a couple of times,"
01:37:41
she said, "one cast member couldn't keep the food down."
01:37:45
Samantha threw up.
01:37:47
Samantha handwriting threw up during that scene.
01:37:50
- I guess I didn't think about them having to actually eat it.
01:37:54
(laughing)
01:37:56
That's why I'm not an actor.
01:37:57
(laughing)
01:37:59
- When I was on The Walking Dead,
01:38:02
and this one of, I think it was Otis's wife Patricia
01:38:07
got eaten by zombies.
01:38:10
I was one of the zombies eating her, one of the walkers,
01:38:13
but we were just leaned down over this fake dummy
01:38:17
and we were just pretending to eat,
01:38:19
but I kept wanting to actually bite her
01:38:22
'cause I was, I guess, so in character, you know?
01:38:26
I wanted to bite the plastic dummy.
01:38:29
(laughing)
01:38:30
Going, errr.
01:38:32
Anyway.
01:38:33
- There might be not to be in the Canadian wilderness with you.
01:38:36
(laughing)
01:38:38
- You get hungry out there.
01:38:39
- Yeah.
01:38:40
- The cannibalism scene was interspersed with another lush
01:38:43
and distinctly non-winter medieval fantasy feast
01:38:46
where the characters indulged in a formal buffet,
01:38:48
fake moss, pine cones, and antler bones
01:38:50
filled the dining table to emphasize the show's haunted
01:38:53
forest fantasy setting.
01:38:54
According to Margot Ready, the show's production designer,
01:38:58
the dream feast was inspired by documentaries
01:39:00
on former King of England Henry VIII,
01:39:03
who reportedly held lavish meat heavy dinners
01:39:06
where aggressive indulgent eating was dearer.
01:39:09
Quote, there was a slightly feral aspect
01:39:11
of the way of eating that worked well
01:39:13
to kind of create a luscious feast,
01:39:16
but you're still kind of tearing apart
01:39:17
where you're eating, ready said.
01:39:19
Still, the dream dinner and opportunity for the catch,
01:39:22
cast to ditch their dirty, bloody clothes
01:39:24
for soft ornate outfits,
01:39:26
wasn't any easier to film than the cannibalistic feast.
01:39:28
Sophie Nellie said, "We were stuffing our faces
01:39:32
and people were spitting food out
01:39:34
and that would accidentally go in your mouth."
01:39:37
- Oh!
01:39:38
- Courtney, Courtney, eaten at it.
01:39:39
I think we were pretty over-food by the end of that.
01:39:43
When it came to creating Jackie's body,
01:39:44
the crew had an extra challenge
01:39:46
of making it clear that her body was frozen
01:39:49
after being desirably roasted.
01:39:51
Ready said, "It's literally scripted
01:39:53
that Jackie is perfectly cooked."
01:39:55
It's a gross article, sorry.
01:40:00
- They did a good job when they wake up
01:40:03
and they smell Jackie.
01:40:05
Like they did a really good job of like visualizing that.
01:40:09
I thought I thought I totally believe it.
01:40:11
- Yeah, what is that?
01:40:12
- Yeah, absolutely.
01:40:14
You can, it made me think about just waking up camping
01:40:17
and smelling bacon or something.
01:40:18
- Mm-hmm.
01:40:19
- You know?
01:40:20
(laughs)
01:40:22
At Paley Fest, when asked how many seasons
01:40:25
of the show they have laid out, Ashley Lyle said,
01:40:29
"We have a plan, but the plan can always change and evolve.
01:40:32
We're always a little reluctant to set things in stone
01:40:35
because what's most important to us
01:40:37
is telling the right amount of story.
01:40:39
We don't wanna rush things
01:40:40
and we don't wanna over,
01:40:42
I guess, over-stair welcome
01:40:45
or drag things out simply for the sake
01:40:46
of continuing to have a show."
01:40:48
So they had been saying five,
01:40:50
but now maybe they don't wanna like feel
01:40:53
like they're padding things out to get to five, you know?
01:40:57
I could see how they might change
01:40:59
as they get into season two and realize,
01:41:01
oh, maybe we don't have as much story as we thought we did.
01:41:04
- Then I hope they go just as long as they want to.
01:41:07
Because if this show was gonna be like a three
01:41:11
or four seasons and that's it,
01:41:13
I'd rather it be that than something that's dragged out
01:41:17
and becomes a shell of its former self.
01:41:21
- Absolutely.
01:41:22
- Yeah, too many shows we've seen have started so well
01:41:26
and then gone down in a blaze of glory.
01:41:29
So. - And this feels like a novel,
01:41:32
you know, not like an ongoing series of novels
01:41:35
or something, it's one story.
01:41:37
- Well, especially if they've progressed pretty quickly.
01:41:41
I mean, they're like what, six, seven months in now
01:41:46
in a 19 month wilderness day.
01:41:48
So. - Yeah.
01:41:50
- Yeah. - Yeah.
01:41:51
- Yeah, like I, well, I probably repeated this too many times
01:41:53
but maybe they could like wrap things up
01:41:56
and then have another season where the women go back out
01:41:59
there for some reason, but I don't know.
01:42:00
- I think that might happen.
01:42:04
- Yeah. - I think that could happen.
01:42:06
Like maybe not wrapped it up,
01:42:08
but they end up there as part of the climax or something.
01:42:12
- Right, right. - Yeah.
01:42:14
- One of our listeners, Jenny Ryan, sent in an article
01:42:18
and she said, "Hey everyone, this is such a great article.
01:42:21
I haven't heard anyone else talk about this aspect
01:42:23
of the show, but it makes the first feast scene
01:42:26
of the teens in Greek clothing really meaningful."
01:42:28
And it was from this site called,
01:42:33
it's called Girls Gone Greek, the show's most influential
01:42:38
character on the show times, Yellow Jackets
01:42:40
is the one who goes unnamed, Dionysus.
01:42:43
And it's from a site called J Store Daily,
01:42:46
which has like academic articles.
01:42:49
And she also said, "Thanks for everything you do, Jenny Ryan."
01:42:52
So it's a really long article, it's fascinating.
01:42:55
I was debating reading the whole thing,
01:42:56
but I didn't want it to go too long.
01:42:58
So I asked Bing Chatbot to summarize the article,
01:43:01
which I'm about to read for you,
01:43:03
but I would recommend if you're at all interested in this
01:43:06
to go read the actual article,
01:43:08
I'll put the link in the show notes.
01:43:09
But Bing Chatbot says, "The article Girls Gone Greek
01:43:13
by Saki Therani explores how the showtime series,
01:43:17
Yellow Jackets, incorporates the ancient Greek concept
01:43:19
of manate-manedism, the practice of frenzied women
01:43:24
who worship Dionysus, the God of wine and ecstasy.
01:43:28
The article challenges the hype that compares Yellow Jackets
01:43:30
to Lord of the Flies and argues that the series
01:43:33
is a more nuanced and original depiction
01:43:35
of female empowerment and trauma.
01:43:38
The article examines how the series uses references
01:43:40
to manate-ism and Dionysian rituals
01:43:43
to show how a high school soccer team that survives
01:43:46
a plane crash in the Canadian wilderness
01:43:47
subverts their toxic home and school environments
01:43:50
and embraces their savage instincts."
01:43:52
Oh, this is see, I thought I had an original thought,
01:43:55
but I totally stole it from this article.
01:43:57
God, I always do that.
01:43:58
Anyways, the article provides examples
01:44:00
of how the series name characters, costumes,
01:44:02
and events are influenced by manate-ism
01:44:05
and Dionysian literature.
01:44:07
For instance, the article explains that Yellow Jackets
01:44:09
are wasps that love wine grapes,
01:44:12
that love wine grapes, which links them to Dionysus,
01:44:17
that the girls wear wreaths, antlers, and masks
01:44:20
that resemble the monadic dress code
01:44:22
and that the girls perform cannibalistic hunting rights
01:44:26
that echo monadic violence.
01:44:28
The article also discusses how the series portrays
01:44:31
the girls' transition from being restricted by social norms
01:44:34
to being liberated by Dionysian worship
01:44:38
and how this affects their relationships
01:44:39
with each other and themselves.
01:44:41
The article concludes that Yellow Jackets
01:44:43
is a complex and innovative exploration of female agency
01:44:46
and identity in a hostile environment.
01:44:49
I guess that's where I got, yeah, this whole thing
01:44:52
about seeing it from a perspective of empowerment,
01:44:55
but if it's about embracing their savage instincts,
01:44:59
which does, to me, seem to be what Lottie could be
01:45:03
encouraging them to do, then--
01:45:06
Certainly, what Shana is doing.
01:45:08
Yeah, what Shana is doing and what Tai is sort of doing
01:45:11
that's out of her control.
01:45:12
Yeah.
01:45:15
What about Nat?
01:45:15
I mean, she's pretty savage just being her normal self
01:45:20
and Misty.
01:45:23
Yeah, this unlocks Misty.
01:45:26
This takes Misty to a whole other realm.
01:45:29
Yeah.
01:45:31
All right, so that's it for the news.
01:45:32
Let's move on to some listener feedback.
01:45:35
Mr. Buzz.
01:45:37
Daphne.
01:45:37
All right.
01:45:39
Greg Schwam says, "To quote Glenn in the Walking Dead comic,
01:45:43
"blurg."
01:45:46
This is all about last week's episode.
01:45:49
Robert Parker says, "That was a full hour's worth of fucked
01:45:53
up moment of the week."
01:45:57
I agree.
01:45:59
Joe Marino says, "Is Lottie's cult back where they crash?
01:46:02
The lake looks similar.
01:46:04
We don't think so.
01:46:05
It seems like that's too remote, just a coincidence."
01:46:10
Veronica Hood said, "Well, trying to sleep after watching
01:46:14
that episode was hard.
01:46:16
Fuck."
01:46:18
Kelly Kinggeist says, "I was amused, relieved,
01:46:22
and completely terrified all at once by that ending."
01:46:27
That's Kelly the Antler Queen, by the way.
01:46:28
Yep.
01:46:29
Steve Bar says, "My questions from the episode
01:46:32
are who cut the rope holding tie and why would Travis give
01:46:36
his bank account details to Lottie?"
01:46:39
Yeah, that's what we want to know.
01:46:41
Yeah.
01:46:42
Why that story seems fishy.
01:46:44
One of the many reasons why.
01:46:46
At that to the questions we need to know, the list is growing.
01:46:50
I think Travis and Lottie are going to have a relationship.
01:46:56
Just my prediction.
01:46:57
Yeah, maybe.
01:46:58
We'll see.
01:47:00
And Marie Helman said, "You guys, I just love your coverage
01:47:04
on the show.
01:47:05
Excellent episode this week.
01:47:07
Nazia at the end.
01:47:08
A couple jumpscares loved it."
01:47:11
Thank you.
01:47:12
Can't think of any jumpscares.
01:47:15
The car accident.
01:47:17
Yeah.
01:47:18
Yeah.
01:47:19
Yeah, for sure.
01:47:20
Yeah.
01:47:21
Charlotte Chapelhow says, "I feel like Lottie is hiding something
01:47:27
with Travis's death.
01:47:29
It doesn't make too much sense and I feel like her story is covering up for something."
01:47:33
I absolutely agree.
01:47:35
Yeah.
01:47:36
I believe her story for a second.
01:47:38
Yep.
01:47:39
May Almerdini says, "So they smoked Jackie and Ada and Shawna started it all.
01:47:45
Coach Ben is worried.
01:47:46
He's next.
01:47:47
I'm so looking forward to Elijah Woods' character and Misty connecting.
01:47:50
I wish we got more of that."
01:47:51
Well, you got more of this week.
01:47:53
Yeah.
01:47:54
Lisa Sparer says, "It's gross enough to think about cannibalism that's implied by circumstances
01:48:02
and mystery mate."
01:48:03
Oh, wow.
01:48:04
Last of us.
01:48:05
But to see them all hovering around her and frantically picking at her like she's a roasted
01:48:10
pig was intense.
01:48:12
PS.
01:48:13
So Kelly wasn't actually wearing Jackie's jacket on Halloween.
01:48:17
I guess Shawna just told her that to make her feel bad.
01:48:20
Okay.
01:48:21
That was a discussion that we actually had.
01:48:24
She was wearing Jackie's basketball.
01:48:29
Yeah.
01:48:30
She was wearing Jackie's soccer uniform.
01:48:32
Yeah.
01:48:33
Not her jacket.
01:48:34
Not her jacket.
01:48:35
Yeah.
01:48:36
We all, I don't know if everybody did, but I sure did.
01:48:39
I was like, "Oh yeah.
01:48:40
They need to take off Jackie's jacket so that Shawna couldn't take it home and then later
01:48:45
Callie can wear it."
01:48:47
But no.
01:48:48
We were just hallucinating that.
01:48:49
She wasn't the jacket.
01:48:50
Yeah.
01:48:51
Well, we remember Shawna saying that Jackie's parents gave her the uniform.
01:48:55
Yeah.
01:48:56
Yeah.
01:48:57
Yeah.
01:48:58
Alma Contreras.
01:48:59
Hey, Alma, my friend.
01:49:02
Man, the more I watch, the more I keep saying sweet Jesus.
01:49:07
These beesies are fucking crazy.
01:49:11
I sure hope Nat gets away from Lottie.
01:49:14
And O-M-F-G, they accidentally ended up cooking poor Jackie.
01:49:19
And Ador, gross.
01:49:21
I don't think that was Max.
01:49:22
And I don't think you can say that was an accident.
01:49:25
Well this episode explained a lot, but I'm still a little confused over Lottie and her
01:49:29
effect on Travis.
01:49:31
Thank goodness for the podcast helping me sort shit out because this show is bonkers.
01:49:36
Yeah.
01:49:37
I mean, like I said, Lottie represents faith for Travis and Nat is more pragmatism, but
01:49:46
I think yeah, he's just wanting some comfort over Havi.
01:49:52
So that's why he started believing more in what Lottie had to offer.
01:49:56
I was thinking about that.
01:49:58
Like, you know, they're in a dire situation.
01:50:03
They're starving.
01:50:04
They all have to be thinking that we could all just die and die slowly and terribly.
01:50:10
And she represents hope to them and they need to hope for something.
01:50:15
They need to believe that they have some kind of power over their fate.
01:50:21
Right.
01:50:22
And I mean, faith is helpful to people who, when you're facing the unknown and when you need
01:50:28
hope and when you want to understand the unknown too, it's often about the unknown.
01:50:33
They don't know how they're going to survive.
01:50:35
And faith is also about just the unknowns of how we came to be.
01:50:40
You know, why we're here, all that kind of thing.
01:50:43
And when you're really feeling restless about it or desperate, then it can really be a
01:50:48
huge comfort, which is why Lottie is the primo person right now.
01:50:55
She's offering them some kind of a certainty in this unknown, hopeless time.
01:51:00
Yep.
01:51:01
And Laura Lee got her started on that track.
01:51:04
Yep.
01:51:05
Is it my turn?
01:51:08
Jason Patagge says such terrifying episode for the teens as well as the adults look like
01:51:15
Ty was about to do something bad to Simone before their accident.
01:51:20
She looked pissed.
01:51:23
Maybe the accident was the bad thing.
01:51:24
That's what a lot of people think.
01:51:26
Anyone else think the young cop looks like he could be related to Adam.
01:51:30
Are you talking about Kevin or the other guy?
01:51:34
The other guy.
01:51:36
He's got a lot of people.
01:51:38
Coach Ben just leveled up from concern for his well being to terrified.
01:51:42
He's next on the buffet menu.
01:51:45
I think Havi is revealed in the next episode or two, most likely in the damn slash mine infrastructure
01:51:53
that Lottie saw and is responsible for the thought out stump, Nat and Travis found.
01:51:59
So he thinks Havi is in this.
01:52:03
And that plays that Lottie kept dreaming of.
01:52:07
Interesting.
01:52:09
That is interesting.
01:52:10
If that happens, you get some kind of prize or something.
01:52:13
Gold star.
01:52:14
Yeah.
01:52:15
So Rebecca Cantu Davidson says, whoa, whoa, whoa, they devoured Jackie.
01:52:22
I have to say I liked how the cannibalism started almost accidentally unless there was a
01:52:28
supernatural being that knocked the snow off the tree onto the pyre.
01:52:32
And I think we are being too hard on Shawna.
01:52:35
She is hangry and traumatized while pregnant.
01:52:39
Normal life while pregnant is hard enough as it is and then add to the additional complications
01:52:45
that Shawna is going through.
01:52:47
While I gasped when I realized she was talking to dead ass Jackie, I wasn't shocked.
01:52:53
Poor girl.
01:52:54
She is craving calcium and iron due to pregnancy and being malnourished.
01:52:58
So I can see why she looked at Jackie's dead body with hungry eyes.
01:53:02
I wonder why Coach Ben didn't partake in the Jackie feast.
01:53:06
Cant wait to find out.
01:53:09
Also, dark tie definitely pooped in the bucket.
01:53:12
And who want was she going?
01:53:15
Was she following in her sleepwalk?
01:53:17
I am willing to bet tied through the rope tied to Van.
01:53:21
Because she likes to chew on dirt, her hand and on van while in her sleep state.
01:53:26
Gosh, this season started off so strong.
01:53:28
I love that part.
01:53:29
I love your guys discussion.
01:53:32
I know about that last week too.
01:53:35
Lucy thinks that Harvey snuck in and pooped in the bucket.
01:53:39
I know.
01:53:40
I asked what she was going to put up for a bet for that.
01:53:43
What?
01:53:44
No one's going to do that.
01:53:45
Apparently betting people's favorite charities, we're going to donate money to people's
01:53:49
favorite charities.
01:53:50
I thought it was like sewage related charity or something.
01:53:54
Yeah, you know what?
01:53:55
The thing is the way that Shawna yelled at him to run, I'd be afraid to be in a room with
01:54:00
any of them.
01:54:01
That was creepy.
01:54:03
She was possessed.
01:54:06
Okay, we got a few calls.
01:54:09
First one is from Steve Brown, who I'm hoping did a life see because my favorite life steves
01:54:14
are when something really shocking happens so we could see what his reaction is.
01:54:17
Sure.
01:54:18
Here we go.
01:54:19
All right, here we go.
01:54:21
Yellowjack is WTF.
01:54:23
This is Steve and this is going to be episode two.
01:54:26
She eats the ear raw?
01:54:28
I think at least cook it first.
01:54:31
You, somebody pooped in the piss bucket?
01:54:33
Okay, so now Shawna is not just hallucinating Jackie.
01:54:36
She's hallucinating a fake makeup kit.
01:54:39
Oh, man.
01:54:40
Isn't there a rule that like you're not supposed to wake up someone who's sleepwalking or something
01:54:43
like that?
01:54:44
I don't remember.
01:54:45
Okay, yeah.
01:54:46
If they're about to walk off a cliff, that's probably a good thing.
01:54:48
Oh, Travis is buying into Lottie's stuff here.
01:54:52
But we know in the future, Nat said that Travis didn't buy into Lottie's stuff.
01:54:59
Helio trope, it's not purple.
01:55:02
A Lottie said she was going to drink it and then she just dumped it in the trash that smoothie
01:55:06
with whatever was in it.
01:55:08
Okay, so we already figured out that Shawna and Ty are ghosting Misty, but she really is
01:55:12
trying to figure out what happened to Nat.
01:55:14
And catch what the screen name was for Elijah Wood.
01:55:17
That is Elijah Wood's voice, right, that Misty is hearing when she's reading these posts.
01:55:22
She actually did take somebody's makeup case and she put makeup on Jackie's body.
01:55:27
It's good to see Kevin, right, back to the cop guy he's here talking to Shawna now.
01:55:32
Oh, quick thinking, Callie, to get them out of there with the mall trip thing.
01:55:37
Oh, Simone is not going to like this Sammy coming to Ty's house by himself.
01:55:41
I'm positive because I have a prediction.
01:55:43
She just opened the refrigerator door and he can't see Sammy.
01:55:46
I think Sammy's not actually there.
01:55:48
Maybe he is actually there.
01:55:49
Oh, young Natalie, that is not nice.
01:55:52
I mean, I guess you want him to admit his brother is dead.
01:55:56
Faking a bear attack.
01:55:59
This story, Elijah's telling sounds plausible, but why would he leave all the instructions
01:56:03
about his bank account and stuff if he wasn't planning on dying?
01:56:06
Travis, I mean, oh, in the return of the floating locket or the locket that different people
01:56:12
wear, the heart linked with necklace.
01:56:14
Yeah.
01:56:15
He's drinking fireball, just fireball.
01:56:17
I think they could build a fire hot enough to actually cremate a body though.
01:56:22
So bar guy is Kevin's partner.
01:56:25
Okay, so he never he never was there.
01:56:28
Sammy, he's back at school.
01:56:29
He's at school.
01:56:30
Hey, I don't know which is more gross.
01:56:32
The reality or the fantasy that they're having of eating Jackie's body, but not Ben.
01:56:38
Talk to you later.
01:56:40
Oh, thank you, Steve.
01:56:46
That was great.
01:56:47
I like fireball.
01:56:49
Occasionally.
01:56:50
All right.
01:56:51
Thanks, Steve.
01:56:52
Here's Greg.
01:56:53
Hello, this is Greg talking about the edible complex.
01:57:02
Well, I could talk about things like Tyesa going completely insane and imagining her son
01:57:10
showing up to her house and playing with her dog that she will hopefully not sacrifice.
01:57:16
Or we could talk about Jackie being made up or her corpse being made up and made into
01:57:22
a more beautiful corpse, but I will never be able to get the world's worst pig roast out
01:57:31
of my head.
01:57:33
The paralleling of the ancient Roman feast and the girls devouring Jackie's body.
01:57:43
I have no words.
01:57:47
Good God.
01:57:50
And that's going to stick with me for a while.
01:57:55
Look forward to finally hearing Y'all's coverage of this episode, even though this will probably
01:58:02
show up on episode three.
01:58:05
Bye.
01:58:11
That scene is going to be one of the big iconic TV scenes I feel like we'll never forget.
01:58:16
It is.
01:58:17
We expect to see it on YouTube on some of those top 10 craziest television scenes or whatever
01:58:25
those lists that are out there.
01:58:27
I was kind of worried that it would be like a season seven of the Walking Dead moment
01:58:32
where it was too much and people would turn away from it.
01:58:36
But I feel like if you watched the first episode, you had to know it was going there.
01:58:43
Yeah.
01:58:44
I don't know.
01:58:48
I guess I haven't heard too much of people's reaction.
01:58:52
I mean, I guess I haven't seen like a how dare they, but I definitely have seen people going
01:58:54
like really surprised, which surprises me.
01:58:58
Yeah.
01:58:59
I don't know how you can do it.
01:59:01
The first scene of the first episode.
01:59:04
Right.
01:59:05
Yeah.
01:59:06
Right.
01:59:07
It can't be that big of a surprise.
01:59:08
This was, it was different though.
01:59:10
Yeah.
01:59:11
It's about her body, it looked like a chicken, we knew her, we knew all these girls.
01:59:16
I mean, I've never seen anything like this on TV before.
01:59:19
Even though it's just moments, it's really just flashes.
01:59:24
Yeah.
01:59:25
Which is why I think they did the whole Greek scene because they couldn't just pull out
01:59:30
the show that.
01:59:31
Yeah.
01:59:32
I think that would have been too much.
01:59:34
Right.
01:59:35
Yeah.
01:59:36
But like, can you pass me the eyeball?
01:59:38
Yeah.
01:59:39
But even though it was just, you know, flashes, it was disturbing.
01:59:46
It really was.
01:59:47
Yeah.
01:59:48
And you know, like I think about like the movie alive and what they went through and all
01:59:55
of that, like, I don't even know if in the movie they show it.
02:00:01
And if they do, it's like this non-descript little thing in their life.
02:00:06
Yeah.
02:00:07
And that's it.
02:00:08
That's it.
02:00:09
And last you ever see of it.
02:00:12
And so this was, this was a lot.
02:00:15
It was done in really artistic fashion too.
02:00:18
And almost like showing them being joyous with this Greek or Roman kind of feast, it added
02:00:26
the yellow jacket's flair to it that just kind of in a way, even though it was disturbing
02:00:32
as hell and dark, it kind of lightened the mood.
02:00:36
You know, like that's what you were saying.
02:00:37
It kind of tempered it a little bit.
02:00:39
Yeah.
02:00:40
But it also made it more unique than you would even expect it to be, you know.
02:00:45
Like we've seen horror movies where zombies eat people's guts out.
02:00:49
You know, if you watch a Romero movie, you see someone's stomach torn right open and they're
02:00:52
in a test and spill right out.
02:00:54
And why is that?
02:00:55
Why does this feel so much worse?
02:00:57
You know, so maybe because we got to know Jackie last year.
02:01:04
Yeah.
02:01:05
And I think partly just because they were kind of making light of it.
02:01:08
And that almost made it worse in a way.
02:01:10
Yeah.
02:01:11
Like why are you having fun with this?
02:01:13
I loved it.
02:01:14
Don't get me wrong.
02:01:15
And I think that the Greek scenes enabled them to show them like really eating food and
02:01:22
relishing it.
02:01:23
With gusto.
02:01:24
You imagine that in the other scenes and you does something to your brain.
02:01:29
Because I think that was supposed to show how they were feeling about it.
02:01:33
Like joy, you know, like blissful.
02:01:36
There was just like one flash that in the beginning of this episode that Ben was thinking
02:01:42
about.
02:01:43
And it was like of them all hovered around Jackie's body.
02:01:46
And like you could see Jackie's body moving as they were tugging and pulling and oh, that
02:01:52
was a lot.
02:01:53
All right.
02:01:54
We got two more calls.
02:01:56
Here's Jody from Australia.
02:02:00
Hi, Penny Jason, definitely in Wendy.
02:02:02
It's Jody from Canberra, Australia here.
02:02:04
And I just had a couple of thoughts on yellow jacket season two episode two.
02:02:07
I've just finished the show and.
02:02:10
And wow.
02:02:13
I can't wait to listen to coverage.
02:02:15
First off, I'm very worried about Lottie in a present day timeline.
02:02:18
The interaction she had with her acolyte over the smoothie, the young woman who nut stabbed
02:02:23
with a fork.
02:02:24
I can't remember her name.
02:02:25
There was a flare of intense anger in Lottie about the smoothie, which is a massive red flag.
02:02:31
I wouldn't mind betting that smoothie was exactly what Lottie asked for.
02:02:34
She just pretended it wasn't to push that little bit of fear of failure onto the girl as
02:02:38
a control mechanism.
02:02:39
It actually reminded me of a couple of encounters I had with a business coach I worked with
02:02:43
a few years ago.
02:02:44
And I wouldn't be surprised if in the next episode we see Lottie love bombing that girl
02:02:48
to draw her back into the fold because that's the pattern of behaviour that Kotlet has
02:02:52
used.
02:02:53
And the pattern of behaviour that my business coach used on me, it was pretty rough.
02:02:58
And to add to that the fact that I do think Lottie is definitely unmedicated now, I think
02:03:02
we're going to see her put the people around her in some really bad positions this season.
02:03:06
I think we're going to see some co-oge in from her.
02:03:10
As soon as Ty suggested cremating Jackie, I knew this was going to be it, they were going
02:03:14
to eat her.
02:03:15
Because they're starving and the smell will drive them all crazy.
02:03:18
Then the snow fell down and created an oven for Jackie's body.
02:03:21
I literally had the thought, well, that's going to be some lovely roasted meat there.
02:03:26
And then I was a little bit horrified at myself.
02:03:28
Thank goodness this is fiction, but I may very well need some therapy after I finish this
02:03:33
season to grapple with what watching it has exposed to me about my values.
02:03:37
I think I need to have some thoughts about that.
02:03:41
Thanks for the podcast, guys, Foxy.
02:03:43
Thanks, Jodie.
02:03:44
Are they going to keep raising the stakes?
02:03:47
I don't know if we can take it.
02:03:49
Uping the ante.
02:03:51
You know?
02:03:52
I don't know.
02:03:54
Yeah.
02:03:55
I don't know.
02:03:56
Like it'll be like killing and eating somebody.
02:03:59
We really like a lot.
02:04:01
Yeah.
02:04:02
I think, but the thing is, I think that's the next step.
02:04:07
Right.
02:04:08
Outside of this.
02:04:09
I know I'm like Jackie.
02:04:10
Right.
02:04:11
Exactly.
02:04:12
I stood up for her, but I didn't really like her that much.
02:04:15
I mean, but there were a lot of fans who did love Jackie.
02:04:20
She certainly, I thought she got her on.
02:04:23
She did deserve that end.
02:04:24
No.
02:04:25
I mean, I, like I said, people respond to vibe and she had a horrible shitty vibe and she
02:04:32
did some shitty things too, but not nearly as bad as Sean and my opinion.
02:04:35
Sean is the one who deserved to be eating.
02:04:37
I said it.
02:04:38
No, I'm just.
02:04:39
It's the thing is, it's one thing.
02:04:41
And I think I said this before.
02:04:42
It's one thing to eat a corpse that's cooked.
02:04:45
It's another thing for them to take a human life and then cook them and eat them.
02:04:51
And if that's what they did, which I mean, God only knows, no wonder they were all fucked
02:04:56
up in the present.
02:04:57
Yeah.
02:04:58
We saw that.
02:04:59
I think we saw exactly what happened.
02:05:01
They drove a girl into a pit and they cooked her up in the eater.
02:05:05
I don't think it was just one.
02:05:08
And she might not have been the first one, right?
02:05:10
No.
02:05:11
No.
02:05:12
Look at all those strands of hair on Antler Queen's outfit.
02:05:15
Exactly.
02:05:16
How many people she's eating personally.
02:05:17
Yeah.
02:05:18
All right.
02:05:19
One more call.
02:05:20
Yay.
02:05:21
I have a thought about Taisa.
02:05:24
So in season one, I really thought that when she tripped the player who ended up not going
02:05:32
to Nationals and broke her leg, that that was accidental, that she was just trying to tough
02:05:39
in the player up and make her play better and that she fell and broke her leg accidentally.
02:05:46
Now I think that was our first view, although we didn't know it at the time of bad Taisa.
02:05:56
The bad one, as Sammy refers to her, is coming out very clearly now.
02:06:03
And so now I'm sure that that's what happened in that soccer practice.
02:06:11
And that Taisa has been deeply disturbed.
02:06:18
Maybe since she saw that apparition when her grandmother died.
02:06:25
So that's my current speculation.
02:06:28
That's interesting.
02:06:29
Hadn't done it.
02:06:30
Yeah.
02:06:31
Yeah.
02:06:32
Yeah.
02:06:33
I agree with that.
02:06:34
Agreed.
02:06:35
That's a good one.
02:06:36
Thanks, Renny.
02:06:37
And it was probably borderline and then all of this is just pushing it into another level.
02:06:42
Yeah.
02:06:43
That's herbated.
02:06:44
Yeah.
02:06:45
She's been under so much stress that we really shouldn't be surprised.
02:06:51
All right.
02:07:01
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02:07:02
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02:07:04
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02:07:18
We do.
02:07:19
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02:07:20
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02:07:28
What are you guys digging right now?
02:07:31
Well, Jonathan and James just did an episode of It Showtime Folks on John Wick 4.
02:07:38
And I hate John Wick, but I love Jonathan and James.
02:07:41
So if you like John Wick, you should listen to that.
02:07:44
I have to watch John Wick 1, 2 and 3.
02:07:47
Yeah.
02:07:48
Chris went to see it.
02:07:51
He thought it was okay.
02:07:53
But it got beat up at the box office by, what was it?
02:07:57
The new Dungeons & Dragons movie.
02:07:59
Oh, but I've heard it's gotten good reviews though.
02:08:02
I think it's gotten good reviews.
02:08:05
And it's good if you're a John Wick fan, which those movies are like super stylish ultra violent.
02:08:10
I'm still loving that Penny said that she had to watch John Wick 4 as a palette cleanser
02:08:17
to episode 2 of Yellow Jacket.
02:08:21
That's awesome.
02:08:22
I think anything is a palette cleanser after episode 2 of Yellow Jacket.
02:08:27
Yeah.
02:08:28
And, definitely, you have run for your lives.
02:08:31
What's going on on my real lives right now?
02:08:34
Well, this week we're last week we released an episode on Chad, which is an 80s movie that
02:08:42
has a really big cult following.
02:08:45
This week we're doing tremors.
02:08:47
Then we're ending our season next week with a look back special, which is one of our most
02:08:54
popular episodes every season is the look back special.
02:08:59
So it's going to be fun.
02:09:02
You're doing tremors 6 right?
02:09:04
Because you do one in tremors every season.
02:09:06
How many tremors are there?
02:09:07
Seven.
02:09:08
So we're almost done.
02:09:09
47.
02:09:10
47.
02:09:11
We've talked about it.
02:09:12
We're not sure what we're going to do.
02:09:16
But pay.
02:09:17
Another franchise maybe.
02:09:18
Maybe.
02:09:19
It's going to a tremors festival in Santa Fe.
02:09:26
Oh my gosh.
02:09:27
That is amazing.
02:09:28
Yeah.
02:09:29
So we should go out there with him.
02:09:30
I'm going to go back to New Mexico.
02:09:31
Yeah.
02:09:32
So he's going a couple weeks.
02:09:33
It's going to be interesting.
02:09:35
Tremors is his favorite franchise.
02:09:37
So he's going to go out there.
02:09:39
Michael Gross is going to be there.
02:09:41
So it'll be really cool.
02:09:44
That was so bummed they did a pilot for a Tremors TV series and Kevin Bacon was in it.
02:09:49
It didn't get picked up.
02:09:50
That's crazy.
02:09:51
I know.
02:09:52
I wish they just released the pilot so we can see it.
02:09:56
Right.
02:09:57
Just to have that would be great.
02:09:59
Someone wrong there.
02:10:00
Yeah.
02:10:01
It's insane.
02:10:02
You think that would fly.
02:10:03
Anyway.
02:10:04
Yeah.
02:10:05
That's awesome.
02:10:06
I'm podcasting with Karen and Lucy on the new Amazon Prime series The Power.
02:10:11
I'm really excited.
02:10:12
I don't think I've ever podcasted with Karen before.
02:10:17
Awesome.
02:10:18
That's going to be fun.
02:10:19
That's going to be fun.
02:10:20
Yeah.
02:10:21
I'm glad you brought that up.
02:10:22
The Power is a book that Karen brought up a while back on The Walking Dead Cast.
02:10:28
She loved it so much.
02:10:30
It's about how all the teenage girls suddenly get the power to electric cute people shoot electricity
02:10:36
from their hands.
02:10:37
I like that sound of that.
02:10:39
They can kill.
02:10:41
I don't like the sound of it.
02:10:42
I love it.
02:10:44
And they start teaching the older women how to do it or something.
02:10:47
And they've made a series out of it.
02:10:49
And so, yeah, Wendy and Karen and Lucy are going to cover.
02:10:55
You said the first four episodes on The Cast of Us.
02:10:57
So it won't be its own separate podcast.
02:10:59
It'll be on The Cast of Us.
02:11:01
And we don't know how many episodes we're going to have, maybe two or three, because it's
02:11:04
really hard for us to all get together because Lucy's in England and Karen is in California
02:11:10
and I'm on the East Coast.
02:11:12
It's really hard.
02:11:13
It just be two.
02:11:14
Yeah.
02:11:15
Yeah.
02:11:16
So, I'm going to do episodes and I've been pretty impressed with the production value and
02:11:19
the acting.
02:11:20
It's all for the most part.
02:11:23
A lot of unknowns, but it's really good.
02:11:27
That sounds good.
02:11:28
Tony Collette's in it.
02:11:29
Who's amazing.
02:11:30
Tony Collette.
02:11:31
Yeah.
02:11:32
She's really her.
02:11:33
Yeah.
02:11:34
She's such a great actress.
02:11:36
After.
02:11:37
All right.
02:11:38
Well, that's awesome.
02:11:39
I'm glad you brought that up.
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But for now, that is it.
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That's our show.
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Thanks for listening.
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