44: “It Girl” & “Dislocation” (S3E1&2)

[00:00:00] S3E1 S3E1 S3E1 S3E1 S3E1 S3E1 S3E1 You talk to me, pals. I... All the stuff that you saw at Lottie's, Nat dying... I mean, if you're having dark thoughts... I didn't do the guts thing because I'm damaged or a psycho. I did it because Chloe and her dumbass friends were talking shit behind my back. What kind of shit?

[00:00:27] They said that when Natalie OD'd you were doing weird sex stuff. Wow, cool. I just... Wanted to teach them a lesson. That's all it was? Yes. Oh. Do you... Wanna... See the whole thing? Do you have it on video?

[00:00:57] Yeah, Alana took it. So sad. She's so much better looking sad. Like, the side is dark. Oh, come on. Brown bag in it today, huh?

[00:01:26] My mom packed my lunch. I have way to... I'm not a serial killer. Yeah. I mean, that's just fucking hilarious. It's... Oh my God, it's so good. Just play it again.

[00:01:56] Hey, everybody. Welcome to our podcast. I'm Penny. And I'm Wendy. And I'm Daphne. And I'm Jason. And this is Yellow Jackets WTF episode 44. This... This week we'll be covering the season three two episode premiere, It Girl and Dislocation.

[00:02:25] And we are recording on Valentine's Day when the show premiered with the incredibly clever, in my opinion, slogan, eat your heart out. Yes! Happy Valentine's Day to the listeners out there. Let's just talk about overall thoughts before we get into it. What did you think about the premiere? Daphne?

[00:02:49] I am so glad that it's back. I have been ready for this ever since they announced the date. I really enjoyed the first two episodes. I thought there was a lot of meat in there. We got to... No pun intended. True. True. Um, I feel like...

[00:03:10] We didn't get like a ton of answers, but I also feel like this season has just set up for so much more. Yeah. In these first two episodes, I think... I wasn't on board with them dropping two on the same day at first. I was thinking this is gonna be rough to two episodes. But I get why they did it now, I think. So I'm down with it. I'm now just excited to see what happens next.

[00:03:40] And I have to tell you, the first two episodes, I feel like were the Callie show in some ways. And I... I'm down. I love Callie. Jason, what did you think? I loved it! I thought it was so good. In fact, that's why I asked if I could come on this episode that I wasn't supposed to be on, because I just loved it so much. And, uh... Two things. I love that they said buzz, buzz, buzz in the first episode. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, that brings it back to the podcast. But also, um...

[00:04:10] I just love the springiness of it. The beauty of the green and just such a contrast in vibe and look to the previous season. So it just feels so fresh. It kind of reminds me of, uh, for Walking Dead fans going into season nine of that show and Angela Kang took over, everything just felt fresh. But even more so here. And, um, I think... I read in an interview the show runners were saying something like, yeah, we felt a lot of pressure for season two because the show was such an unexpected hit.

[00:04:37] And now we're just like, fuck it, let's just do what's fun. So I feel that, you know? I love it. Yeah. I'm so glad to get back to it. How about you, Wendy? I was surprised where we are in the timeline, even with seeing the trailer. I'm just surprised that we're over a year into this day. And I loved the Coach Ben parts. Just loved it. But I mean, I loved the whole thing. But I've become a little obsessed with Ben.

[00:05:06] And I'm just loving where they're going with his character. Awesome. Well, I agree with all of you. And I am so excited to be back doing Yellow Jackets again and talking to the three of you. And this was my first ever podcast that I did. So I have a lot of love for Yellow Jackets WTF as well. And I'm happy to be back. Awesome. I have one question for you guys. Specifically for Penny and Wendy, because I know they watched the trailers.

[00:05:36] I know Jason didn't. Do you feel like they put a lot of what we saw in the trailer was in these first two episodes? Yeah. I think we've seen most of the trailer moments. I'm glad to hear that. Now I can go watch them. Yeah. There was one trailer moment we didn't see that I am super curious for. It was the like, there's a stabbing scene in the trailer.

[00:06:01] And I was hoping that we would get an answer to the question of what that was all about. But I'm willing to wait for a future episode. Yeah. I, that was my big takeaway. I think one of the big takeaways I had was, wow, we saw a lot of that already. So there's so much coming that we have no idea what it is. Yeah. So that just makes it even more exciting. I'm thrilled. Let's talk about fucked up moment of the week.

[00:06:31] Daphne? Hmm. Okay. So my fucked up moment of the week, I, hmm, I kind of debated on this, but I'm going to go with this one. And it basically is Callie is her mother's daughter and her taking the meat and dumping it all over those bullies at school. I thought it was pretty fucked up. The fact that Randy delivered the meat was even like, that was added to it.

[00:07:01] And she didn't tip him, which was also kind of fucked up. Yeah. But no, you tipped through the app. Yeah. She didn't tip him. I'm sure she didn't, but yes. Probably not. I loved that she went in and went after them with that meat. I thought it was great because I personally don't like bullies. And so to see someone react to that, I'm totally down for what they're going to do. And I love the moment that Callie and Shauna had later when they watched the video together. Yeah. That was sweet.

[00:07:31] Yeah. In a weird yellow jackets way. Absolutely. Yes. So yeah. So that, that's what stuck out to me as fucked up. There were other things that were also fucked up, but for me, that's what I landed on. Uh, Jason. Mine's a Callie one too, that she dosed, uh, Misty. Not cool. Oh man. Definitely not cool. I feel like. But it tracks. Yeah.

[00:08:01] It does. I feel like though, that's a little bit of Misty that's rubbed up on Callie. Absolutely. Uh huh. Uh, Wendy, how about you? I thought it was, are we doing just the first episode? Just your, um. Of any. No, anything. Just most fucked up moment. Do you have two? Do you have one for each episode? Um, I'll just go with my gut. Um, I thought Shauna spitting in Mary's food and then lying about it and then attacking

[00:08:29] her and rubbing her face and, um, really, really fucked up. And, um, although Mary's a little bratty, she did not deserve any of that. Yeah. I mean, she had bit her hand earlier when they were doing that challenge. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing, not to get too much into it, but the only thing I kept thinking, cause I was, my first reaction was like, Shauna, what the hell? But I'm like, well, she lost a baby. So you gotta give her leeway. Yeah.

[00:08:57] She's in a very dark place, but why, why Mari in particular is getting her ire is hard to understand. Yeah. I really don't think it's Mari specific. She seemed pretty, uh, angry at the world. And I think Mari just happened to be there and was the person that she was chasing down and gotten to a, yeah, that was hostile. Beep with. Yeah. She was better than everyone. I think she's pissed off about not being named the leader. Oh, she's pissed about a lot of things. Yeah.

[00:09:27] She is very, very mad at the world right now. And everybody is a potential target. Absolutely. My fucked up moment of the week. Like, you know, the Sudeikis are really dominating this conversation. And I also picked a Sudeiki related moment and it's Shauna lying to Jeff about the chronic and not sharing with him. I'm sorry, but after what you guys have been through, if you're going to smoke a little

[00:09:56] cannabis, like share with your husband. He has been so supportive of you. Like, ah, I just, there was no reason to lie to him unless he's like, it doesn't Jeff doesn't strike me as the kind of person who'd be like now Shauna cannabis is fat. Right? Like I. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought that was fucked up. Sometimes what they do, cause relationships progress during a season. Like, and we'll talk about it. I'm sure Walter and Misty and even Shauna and Jeff.

[00:10:25] And then when you get to the beginning of the next season, you're like, oh, we need to regress them a little bit. So they have places to go. You know what I mean? I mean, this is like a meta writing kind of thing to say, but so it's like, we can't have them be too good with each other. We got to have them be a little bit, not great with each other so that they have room to grow or something. I mean, I don't know, but you're right. Also, I think like if she, if she was sure that he would have disapproved. Yeah. I tell him. But I don't think he would have. Don't you think he would have been like, hey, can I have some?

[00:10:55] Like, I don't know. He didn't seem mad. He seemed more curious. More like, hey, did you smoke without me? Then, hey, would you smoke? I don't know. You, you, you sought out your daughter's pot and then you smoked it. Yeah. I just. I think he might be upset after. I don't. I don't. He would accept it though. He's accepted everything else. I mean, the things that Shauna has done that Jeff has taken. Like. Yes. Honestly, weed can only help. Yeah.

[00:11:25] Because it slows down your nervous system. Yeah. Even in this episode when she totally blows his furniture deal. He just says, yep. And just gets up and walks away. Like, he's just like, yeah, this, this is not a surprise to me. This is my wife. And you feel, you feel bad for him because he smells the pot. She's got the munchies. He calls her on it. She totally lies. No, she's lying. He's got to, but he's just like, all right. Yeah.

[00:11:53] I think she needed to smoke a lot more pot before they went out to that dinner. Like that, that needed to happen because she was. Yeah. Yeah. She definitely was wound up and just not thinking about how important the deal was. She really was a little bit selfish, I think in that moment. Yeah. I think more than a little bit. Yeah. That was some, some classic narcissistic behavior.

[00:12:22] Like I'm the only person whose feelings matter. She's got some issues right now of like existential. What is my life all about? What, what does this all mean? What is, what is my story? And I think that's somehow related to her reaction to these bland guys that she was. I mean, I don't really blame her. Those guys were kind of douchey. So. Oh, they gave me horrible flashbacks to my corporate life. Yeah. I was like, Oh God, I've had this dinner. Oh.

[00:12:51] I've, I absolutely have those meetings every week. It's not fun. It's it. Yeah. It definitely doesn't make you feel good. And I would like to do and say what Shauna does and says. So I take it from there. If it's true that it was such a big deal, then she could sit through one dinner so that Yes. Jeff could make this deal. Yeah. He, he deserves to have some business success and she shouldn't get in the way of it. But also why was she even at the dinner?

[00:13:22] He should have taken Callie to the dinner. It might have been worse. I don't know about that either. Callie just would dose the two guys and be like, yeah, they signed it. They signed it. Man. So let's, let's get into our main discussion. We kind of already have. Oh yeah. And we're gonna, we're gonna sort of vaguely do episode one and then episode two, but I have a feeling that the conversation is just going to flow the way it flows.

[00:13:49] So with that, Daphne, why don't you pick our first topic? So I feel like we've talked a lot about Callie already. So I'm going to kind of step away from that. Um, let's talk a little bit about Thais and Van, uh, in the current timeline, which is, you know, 20, 24, 25. At least we know. It is. I think it's more like 2021. You think so? Yeah. It started out as 21.

[00:14:19] Well. Yeah. Cause it was 25 years after 1996. Okay. Well, the 2020s timeline, the current timeline with the two of them, at least we now know that Simone is still alive and Thais is not with her. From what I understand, we're about six weeks after, um, the death of Natalie. So they're all reeling from that.

[00:14:47] And Thais really wants to be with Van. Van is not really feeling it because she still sees Thais as being married, but they still have this connection and they kind of do something that I know why they did it. But it was in a way that ended up causing like harm to someone else.

[00:15:12] And I know that wasn't their intention, but it's like they're trying to relive their teenage years for what they didn't get to do. Like Thais is trying to relive the teenage years. Van, I think is kind of not really on board with it at first until they go to the restaurant and decide to dine and dash, which I get. And it reminds me a little bit of what Shauna was doing with Adam, where she was, you know,

[00:15:39] it was fun because you might get caught type situation. But it ended up costing. I mean, we did we find out if the waiter actually died or is he in the hospital? I didn't see anything. I think he's dead. I think he did. Yeah, the candles and the picture thing makes me. Yeah, he's dead. Yeah. And they're going to have to deal with that.

[00:16:04] Like Taisa hasn't told Van really, but they're going to have to deal with that. That's going to be a secret that I think that will come out a little bit later. And Van's not going to be happy about it. I think Van has her own secret, though. She was at the doctor all day for a cut on her foot. Something happened that she wasn't talking about. Yeah. We know that she has terminal cancer.

[00:16:29] I think that's one reason why Taisa seems to be so energized to want to spend as much time with her and be with her. Because she knows that the time that she has left is not it's not a lot, probably. So they're going to have to, you know, make up for 25 years of lost time, I guess. I think we still have a lot of unanswered questions of how they broke up. Mm-hmm.

[00:16:57] Because they were together after the rescue. And Van said, like, you basically dumped me because I wasn't part of your polished lawyer, non-gay life. Mm-hmm. And then you ended up gay anyway. But Van was never going to be Simone. No. Yeah. And if I was Van, I wouldn't help but feel bitter about what could have been.

[00:17:26] I mean, now she's dying and only has months to live. And Taisa, you know, squandered away what they could have had. Not to mention the only reason she even ever saw Taisa again is because Taisa was in crisis and came and found her for help. Not because she sought her out and was like, how are you doing? It was like, I need you. I need you. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But I do think that they have an undeniable chemistry that... Yeah.

[00:17:54] ...that forced, it sort of forced its way to the surface in that moment. I thought that moment was so fun. Yeah. It was so good. Yeah. Yeah. But with the first moment when she was saying all this stuff that you were just saying, Wendy, like, you just abandoned me and this for your... Then you ended up marrying a woman anyway, blah, blah, blah. Fuck yourself. And then Taisa's like, well, how about if we just go to dinner? Yeah. Yeah. And then she went for it and that was just such a perfect moment. I loved it. And then, yes, this next moment was...

[00:18:24] The song, I think we're alone now, was used very effectively in another show that we podcasted about, Jason and I did, Dead to Me. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it was used kind of similarly when people were connecting emotionally and having fun. Remember, they were at like a video game arcade kind of adult arcade kind of place. And it was this moment of like recaptured youth, recaptured joy. Mm-hmm.

[00:18:47] And I was just having this thought about how the shows are actually kind of similar because they're both about women who have anger and how uncomfortable society is with women's anger. Mm-hmm. And there's, well, I don't want to spoil that to me, but there's another thing that... Yeah, there's another thing they have in common. But this song for me is, cornyly enough, one of the songs that connects with me the most of any of the ones we've heard so far. I used to build that out in the car.

[00:19:17] Me and my friend Richard would just sing it. I think we're alone now. Yeah. It really got me so good. I think a lot of people secretly did that. And I think every redhead, and Daphne backed me up on this, looked in the mirror and did the Tiffany hand thing when they were a teenager. Yes, always. I went to a concert of hers. Me too. I went to a concert of hers that was at this, like, restaurant in our town. And I remember reaching over, I was like, I don't know, 17 years old.

[00:19:46] And I was, like, reaching over this, like, 14-year-old girl and touched Tiffany's hand. Oh. That's awesome. Yeah, she had to do concerts at, like, malls and stuff. She did? Because she was too young to go to clubs. Yeah. I saw her in concert with Tommy Page and New Kids on the Block. It was a lot of fun. Oh, that's a great lineup. It was my first concert ever. And it was a ton of fun. And so this song, yes, you can't help but sing.

[00:20:14] And it's a remake of a Beatles song. Actually, the Beatles sang it first. So, um... No, are you sure about that? I think so. The Beatles? Yeah. I thought it was somebody else. Let me check. Because she also did I Saw Her Standing There. Oh! Right? I think I Think We're Alone Now is somebody else. Oh, okay. Somebody else. I Think We're Alone Now is actually Tommy James and the Shondells. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know if anyone ever listens to the original anymore. Tiffany kind of owns it now. She does. Yeah.

[00:20:43] I think it was perfect in this instance. Because, again, it ties into that whole... I feel like they're trying to be teenagers again, running around town and... Absolutely. Getting into mischief. Like, that's what it seems like to me. And, uh... It looked fun. That's what I wrote down the first two episodes. Like, despite their callousness, they were just delightful to watch. Every second they're on the screen. Especially Van. She just lights up the whole room.

[00:21:12] Young Van and adult Van. For doing karaoke. Van is so... Yeah. Ambrose. Lauren Ambrose. Sorry. The only thing that I was sort of like... I wrote WTF in my notes a few times. And one was like, wait, Van... I mean, Taisa just casually tosses off... Oh, maybe this was in a different scene when they're all after the funeral. But anyway, that she has abdicated being a state senator. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, that was one of my wishes that they would, like, go into that war.

[00:21:41] And then she just, oh, no, I'm not doing that anymore. But then later she says she's disgraced. Because she didn't say why. She said she impeached herself. Yeah. Impeached herself. But then later she said she's disgraced. So maybe she thought it would just be too hard. I don't know. It's weird. I think... So Taisa stepped down. And that's the disgrace, right?

[00:22:09] Because people are like, what could have happened? What's the scandal? Even if no one knows a word of what happened, just the fact that she stepped down. She hadn't even taken office. Yeah. Yeah. That's scandalous. So that is a scandal. Yeah. Yeah. And she's right. If you're a disgraced senator, go ahead and dine and dash. Like, it can't get much worse. I am not advocating for dine and dash. I've never done it myself. Me either. But her... They sure make it look fun on TV.

[00:22:39] Her whole thing in this series has been, yeah, I just kind of got serious in life and didn't have any fun, right? I did what I was supposed to do. So now she's like through with that. I feel like... Also, she was eating foie gras. Right. And she's been a vegetarian before this. She used to be a vegetarian, right? Yeah. I thought that was interesting. I feel like all of that, all of the seriousness is out the door. And she's just trying to find joy and have fun.

[00:23:08] But she did have that conversation with Simone on the phone where she was begging to talk to Sammy. So... And she did that in the room where Van could hear her, right? She could have taken that call anywhere else in the house. And she's feeling some pain about that. And she wanted Van to know about it for some reason. Oh, Wendy, where should we go next?

[00:23:38] Yes! Yes! Yeah! I just love what they're doing with his arc. Not only is he surviving, but he seems to be thriving. He finds survival gear. And I rewound that a couple times to see what was in there. So there's food in there. There's hot chocolate. There's flashlights, rope tools. Maybe a can of gasoline. I wasn't quite sure.

[00:24:07] And he shoves an entire protein bar in his mouth at one time. Which was weird. But also, like, you could see, like, if you were really starving, that's probably what you would do. You'd regret it, too. Yeah. And that thing looked really chewy. Like, you'd be like, now I can't breathe. I know. Because when I was a kid, I fasted for, like, I was a teenager. Fasted for three days just to try it and see what it would be like. And I was so hungry.

[00:24:36] I remember watching a movie and all I could see was what everybody was eating. And then I went to, like, an all-you-can-eat sizzler. And I started just eating. And then I could barely eat anything. And it filled up my stomach really fast. Because your stomach, I guess, shrinks. It shrinks, right. Yeah. He's making a deadfall in hopes of trapping a deer. And the last scene that we see of him in this episode is him.

[00:25:04] He does trap something. He traps Mary. He's like, sorry. And she's stormed off after being treated so badly by Shauna. She seems injured. And then the song, I Will Survive. Yes! He traps up and that's the last scene of the episode. Another great needle drop in this episode. So fantastic. Yeah. And I just, I loved it.

[00:25:30] Like, I, that plus the second episode of him was just, I really want him to live forever. And be the villain of the story. That's what I'm about. Oh, you want him to be the villain? Interesting. Yes. I mean, I was saying last when we did our catch-up, if you guys haven't listened, we did a catch-up episode. That I thought, yeah, it seems pretty clear that he burned down the cabin. Now I don't think so anymore. I think he did not do it. I don't think it's for sure.

[00:25:57] I don't know, because when she told him, he said the right things, but the way he looked on his face was like he was covering. Yeah, I couldn't tell. I think they're doing what they're trying, what they always do on this show, trying not to, they're trying to have it both ways so we don't know for sure, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's a big debate, and I think they've talked about it enough that we're going to find out. Yeah. Yeah. But I thought, you know, whether he did it or not, he's worried.

[00:26:26] He knows they ate Javi, and he was worried they were going to eat him next. I can't blame him. No, you can't. And now that he caught Mari and she's injured and screaming, help me, I'm sort of thinking, well, this is the one guy who, the one person around here who might not eat you. So maybe you're lucky. Right. But I also think if he did burn down the cabin. Yeah. Then he intended to kill them all. Yeah.

[00:26:55] And so why would he hesitate to kill Mari? Which is why I kind of think he didn't, because he didn't kill her. Right. Right. That's what pushes me in one direction. But then the way he looked and talked, so I don't know. But I'm invested. Maybe he didn't kill her because he would want to get them all in one fell swoop. Because if he just did one and the others found out, they would be mad at him or something. I don't know. And he's so outnumbered and outlegged. Yes.

[00:27:21] Do you think that pit is the pit from the opening, cold open, and the girls just at some point add spikes to it? I went back and looked. And it looks, I think it is. Because I've been wondering all this time how they dug that pit. I was like, how did they dig that perfectly squared off? Yeah. Like deep pit. And if they found this one, that makes sense to me.

[00:27:50] I went back and looked at the first episode for a couple of reasons. There were a few things I was trying to figure out. And that was one thing that stood out to me is, is this the pit? Have we met the pit? Is this, you know, we've been waiting for this. And maybe this is the, maybe the time we saw the girl fall into it in the pilot was the second time. It could be. So I think. For the third time. We don't know. They're playing with us, right?

[00:28:17] Because there's a lot of speculation about pit girl. And a lot of people have come to the conclusion that it's Mari. But then I think there's no way that Mari accidentally falls into that pit twice. Right? Yeah, that's true. She knows exactly where that pit is. She's already fallen into it. So I think it's doubtful that she's pit girl now. I think that's a misdirect. Didn't that have a big tree right near it? And the, I'd have to go back.

[00:28:47] But if you're freaking out, you might not. And maybe. But I feel like that's something that you remember in your bones. Like, oh, there's a big drop right there where I dislocated my knee. I've fallen in several pits multiple times. So I'm just kidding. It looks very, it can look different because remember. Whatever. Winter versus, like, summer or spring. Without all the leaves on the trees, with everything, like, being barren, it's going to look different.

[00:29:17] But I'm pretty sure, based on the size of the pit in episode one and the size of this pit, that it's the same one. So is this just, like, some ranger's cache or something? What is it? That's what it looks like to me. Maybe cabin guy or, you know, some random military survivalist. Who knows? Maybe we'll find out. Whatever the plot needs. Yeah. That was a real treasure trove, though.

[00:29:45] He had at least three of those giant cases of supplies. Yes. And he can live for months off of, like, months and months with that. I loved what they did with this story, too, Wendy, and how he was kind of annoyed at her because he's always been kind of annoyed at all these girls. But that he's still surviving when we thought that he was going to be the first one to die so many times.

[00:30:07] And just the situation that he's in and the way he looks, too, with his big bushy beard and everything about it, I loved. Yeah, me, too. What is it that fans said about him? Hot if you're into that type or if that's your type. Yeah. I mean, and I was like, he's good looking. Come on. There's such. That's objectively true. There's such a stark contrast.

[00:30:31] If you look at the photos from the red carpet event from the the premiere and you see him in the show and then you look at the red carpet photos, it's like, OK, this is a completely different person. All of them. He's. Yeah. He's so cleaned up and beautiful. They all are really beautiful. Daphne, are you? You're going to tell us what why else you looked in the first episode, right? I kind of wanted to watch Pit Girl again.

[00:31:00] And because I'm trying to decide for myself who Pit Girl is, because I know that there's a lot that's pointing towards Mari. But I also know that we have Jen and Jen's got a bigger role this season as the hunter, which we haven't talked about yet. They also recast that role to be someone else, a different actress. So I was just looking for any indication.

[00:31:28] I also thought that what Pit Girl was wearing reminded me kind of what Mari was wearing in this episode. So I went back to look at that again and I haven't come to a conclusion yet. I feel like. I'm going to have to watch it a couple of more times because I literally decided to rewatch those pieces like 15 minutes before we popped on here. It's like, I've got to go check this out. I've got to you know, you know how you're taking notes and you're going over your notes.

[00:31:58] And something pops in your head and you're just like, oh my gosh, I got to do that right now. I got to go check this out. So I went in. Yeah, I just I'm trying to figure some things out. I'm trying to put some pieces together. And, you know, I do think we're going to get the answer on Pit Girl. I do think that that's going to come up maybe even this season because the timelines are getting closer and we'll be getting closer together.

[00:32:24] As far as we're going to be reaching at some point the end of their time in the wilderness and it meeting up with them getting rescued and which we've seen little glimpses of. So I think I don't think they're going to drag the series out. I think they're going to be pretty. They've always been pretty good with keeping things moving.

[00:32:49] So I don't think we're going to have as long as some of the other shows that we've seen that drag things out. I hope you're right. I I'm ready for them to to get rescued or at least for us to see the rescue and all that stuff. I also noticed that there were a few red shirts that we saw in this episode when they were doing the whole life is idyllic.

[00:33:19] Morning has broken by Cat Stevens montage at the beginning. Yeah, it's a great song. There were several girls that I don't have names for. And one of them had the long dark hair. Oh, of course you do. Are these all accounted for, Daphne? I think there's one more. I think there could potentially be one more red shirt that we don't that we haven't seen like actually cast. Because we've been trying to keep track of the numbers and I just don't want to cheat on us and add a few more. Yeah, no.

[00:33:49] These two are called Brit and Robin are the new characters. They didn't have any lines, but they're actually cast with actual names. I think there may be one more player that's that we've not met yet. But as far as I can tell, there's just those two when they did cast them for this season. So maybe what I mean is we last season we made a big deal of.

[00:34:18] All right, let's look at the numbers and see how many were on the plane and how many are left and how many have died along the way. And I didn't do that this time to see if it still. I kind of did. It was one of those last minute things that I was working on when we got on here to record. Because I was trying to figure out like with the festival, who was who was at the festival? And I have names for all of them. So I know exactly who was at the festival.

[00:34:49] How many died in the crash? Plus, Laura Lee, Javi, Jackie and Crystal, if she was real. So to me, it looks like we have 11 at the festival. Plus Mari and Coach Ben. And there may be one more person thrown in there next season or later this season that we don't know. But other than that, I mean, we have 13 that we know of out in the woods.

[00:35:17] And how many were in the Cannibal Council? I think like eight, seven or eight. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. So that leaves five outside of them. Yeah. That could be fodder. Yeah. There's a lot. Natalie, Lottie, Misty, Shauna, Akilah, Melissa, Jen, Travis, Thaisa, Van, the two new people, Britt and Robin. And then I mentioned Coach Ben and Mari. There are other like casting.

[00:35:46] There's been other casting news that we know of. So we don't know who those people are yet. So we haven't met them. No idea. In the adult timeline. So the people that have been cast, we don't know if they're going to be anyone from the old days or if it's going to be someone from just completely new. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have a theory, but that's in the second episode. Yeah.

[00:36:17] We'll talk about that when we get there. We talked a little. We've already talked about most of the music in this episode. The one song we haven't talked about is Cherry Bomb by the Runaways that was playing in the dive bar that Misty went to to drown her sorrows. That scene was really interesting. Clearly, like Misty is not much of a drinker and seven shots of whiskey would take out most people. And she's not a very large person either.

[00:36:45] And then the way she got so violent with those guys playing pool, like she's just wanting to pick a fight. It's the way that usually men's grief is portrayed is like they go get drunk and they pick a fight at a bar because they're sad. And it's it's interesting to see a female character go down that road. And when she says to the two guys, like, I may not look like someone to be worried about, but I'm trouble.

[00:37:15] I just was like, she loves saying that to people. She said that she said that at least two other times on this show or something like that. And it's like her go to thing is like, I may be small, but I'm a murderer. It's basically what she's saying. And that's like a T-shirt slogan that she should have. She just wear it on a T-shirt, Misty. I don't think those guys doubted her at all that she's trouble. Was that the same bar that her and Nat went to?

[00:37:45] It looked kind of similar, but also a lot of bars look like that. I know. I was just thinking, like, maybe because she came from the storage unit and maybe. Maybe it's near there. Yeah. No, I just thought she was thinking about Natalie. That's true. Yeah. She was definitely thinking about Natalie. She had the jacket and everything over her kiddie sweatshirt. She was trying to be Natalie in some ways. Like, she was trying to channel what Natalie would do. Like, keep the shots coming and stuff like that.

[00:38:14] And be all tough. Yeah. And pick a fight. And she saw young Natalie talking to her when you're definitely not a man. One thing about that, like, when she was talking to the bartender and she's like, give me a, what was it, like an espresso martini? No. A whiskey. Yeah. And then she's like, you know, what did she say? Something about, I'm here to drink, not do my taxes. Yeah, it was. Not that you would even do that now because it's early. You can still do your taxes, but not this early, right?

[00:38:43] And I just thought she's always, like, kind of awkward. But I don't know, I could be wrong, but I feel like when she had that blind date in the first season and the guy was not interested in her, I was just like, she's cute. And she's kind of weird and quirky, but fun, right? Probably. I didn't get why he wasn't interested in her. I felt like they didn't really get across what they were trying to get across.

[00:39:12] Here, I think they are. Because the way she's acting here, it's like, that's kind of dumb. Like, you're weird right now. You're weird, yeah. And that's good. That's what they want her to, that's the feelings they want people to feel around her, you know? Yeah. She's awkward is an understatement with Misty. She doesn't know when to stop. It's like, you said one thing, you're good. Just let it ride. But she just has to keep yammering and adding on and explaining.

[00:39:41] And it's all part of her deep, deep insecurity. And it's her coping mechanism with it. And I continue to be desperately interested to meet Misty's parents. Yes. Because unlike these other girls, some of them had problems before they got lost in the woods, right? We've seen some crappy childhoods. Lottie had some kind of mental illness. She saw many shrinks, right? Shawna has lots of issues.

[00:40:11] But Misty was like a psycho day one. Right? Like, it's not the trauma of what happened to them in the woods that turned Misty into a killer. I think that was in her already. It might have nudged you along, though. And it certainly exacerbated it. But remember, she destroyed the black box. And that was the day they crashed or the next day. Like, nobody else had started going nuts yet.

[00:40:40] And Misty was already, like, being deeply manipulative and destructive. Yeah. And they made a point to have her watch a drowning rat or something in the pool. Yeah. And not save it. So I think that her parents are horrible parents. And that she grew up feeling like, and maybe being explicitly told that she wasn't lovable. And she's so desperate for validation. And needy. And it's her biggest weakness.

[00:41:08] And it's what gets her every time that something goes wrong. It's because she's so needy for somebody's validation. And it's why she can't stop talking once she starts. Because she's like, maybe if I say the right thing, they'll like me. And it breaks my heart. Even though I think Misty is, like, an irredeemable psychopath. It breaks my heart to see somebody that desperate for love. And to know that she probably never got it from her parents.

[00:41:36] And that this is what they call pre-verbal trauma. This is like, from birth, she was not treated well. And she feels innately unlovable as a person. And it's heartbreaking to me. And yet materially, she seemed to have more than some of her teammates. You know, like, she had a cute little girl room with all the bells and whistles. She had an in-ground swimming pool. I know that does not equate love and acceptance.

[00:42:04] But materially, like, when you compare it to Shauna or Nat. Or Van. Or even Laura Lee, whose, you know, room looked like a very stern and plain room. Yeah, I would love to meet Misty's parents. I suspect they're dead. She killed a phone. She probably did. She's desperate for approval, like you said.

[00:42:32] And also, she mimics what she wants to have in her life and thinks that she's experiencing it. But it's just, she doesn't really get it, you know? Yeah. Like, telling a joke that isn't funny at all. But she's acting like it is funny. Or thinking that she's having this deep friendship. But really, they're kind of just using her. And things like that, you know? And she does have this tendency to take care of other people, though.

[00:43:00] Like, she's the one that's always there for everybody else when they need her, even if they're using her. But it's transactional. Exactly. And. She wants to be needed. She thinks that people will love her if they need her. If she wants to be needed.

[00:43:15] I read something online not that long ago that said that children who are, who grow up being deprived of the attention that they need will often grow up to be people who try to take care of everyone else because it's their way of feeling loved. And I think that's so true based on what we've seen in Misty's character here. Yeah. I think so, too.

[00:43:43] She's trying to give enough that people will start to return it. And the problem is that her blatant manipulation always shows through. Like, she doesn't just give. She's like, look, I gave. I gave. You have to owe me now. Like, she can't just shut up and let the action speak for itself.

[00:44:04] I mean, maybe we'll get into this more later, but it really feels like the right time to say that Walter's doing the exact same thing to her that she does to everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. He's smothering her. Like she says it. You're smothering me. You're doing favors for me that I didn't ask you to do. Just like, get away from me. And it's just really interesting that that's an intentional thing on the writer's part.

[00:44:28] And I think it's so true sometimes that the things that bother us the most about other people can be things that qualities that we have ourselves. We don't even realize. Yeah. Exactly. I think she's also so insecure that Walter's, like, very obvious liking for her and, you know, direct expression of wanting to be there for her and be with her makes her think there's something wrong with him. And there is. Yeah.

[00:44:53] But it's like, if he likes me that much, he must not be as valuable as these other people that treat me like crap. Those are the people whose affection will actually fix me and make me feel loved. His love must not be very valuable if he gives it to me so easily. It's that Groucho Marx thing. I would never want to be a member of any club that would accept me or something like that. Yeah, exactly. It's sad. Because if, you know, they're both murderers, so that sort of balances out.

[00:45:21] Like, Walter's kind of perfect for Misty. He is. I wish they could be happy together. I think, though. And maybe she'd stop killing people. I think, though, too, she doesn't like that he's telling her the truth. Because, let's face it, he's right about her friends. They've never been there for her. Not that we've ever seen. She's always been trying to fit in and be everyone's friend.

[00:45:48] And we see it later with young Misty in telling Shauna a little secret. She's just trying to get people to like her. Only Crystal. Only Crystal, yeah. Is there for her. That's it. Yeah. For me, the Misty-Walter dynamic just did not land these last two episodes. I felt like Walter doesn't know enough about her to be acting the way that he is.

[00:46:18] And I actually felt a little afraid for Misty. Because, to me, he was being very territorial and jealous. And. Smothering. And we know what he's capable of. I mean, I'm not dismissing what she's done also. But it just felt really. She, I felt like she was in danger and she did the right thing by booting him.

[00:46:46] I'd be worried if I was either one of them hanging out with the other one. Yeah. Yeah, neither of them has anything that makes me feel warm and fuzzy and safe. And I think that's why Shauna and Ty and Nat kept her at arm's length. Because I remember at one point in season one, Nat was so frustrated with her and said, I can never trust you.

[00:47:16] Like, I don't know if what you're saying is real or not. And so, I mean, although I do think they treat her that way, it's probably earned. Yeah, exactly. Like, my empathy or sympathy for Misty is constantly in a cycle with, but she kind of has it coming. Like, she's, they treat her badly. But, and I think in the beginning, like back in high school, before the crash, it was, oh, Misty's so clingy.

[00:47:45] She's so needy. She's so annoying. But once they were out in the wilderness and they saw some of the crazy stuff she did, they were like, Misty's a psycho. She's a useful psycho. And we're stuck with her as part of this group. Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't eat her. Because, like, she's such an unpredictable, dangerous person. It'd be like, let's, you know, like, whereas, like, somebody like Javi is, like, such a sweetie pie and would never hurt anyone. Like, you'd think you'd want to eliminate the dangerous people first.

[00:48:14] But she's still useful to them. She really is. And they all use her horribly. Yeah. In both timelines. Yeah. She's still very useful to them. And they take advantage. Yeah. I'm wondering when the time's going to come if everyone's going to find out what Misty did to the black box.

[00:48:35] Because that could be, yeah, that I'm sure is driving some of the, like, disconnect that people have towards her in the current timeline. Oh, you think they have already found out? I think so. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe that's... It would be pretty unforgivable. I don't know. I mean, maybe they don't know. Maybe she learned her lesson with Crystal. Yeah, that's true. Like, look what happened last time. Yeah.

[00:49:05] She confided. It would be, I think, would I be more interested to see them find out that as in the 90s timeline or in the adult? I feel like it might be more interesting in the adult. But either way, we got to see. I wanted to also point out one more song that was used in episode one, Glycerine by Bush. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. But it was during Van and Ty's makeout session, I think. Part of the makeout session.

[00:49:34] So, again, this show with the music, it makes me so nostalgic. Like, I need to go back and listen to music I've forgotten about. Because you don't hear something for a while and then you hear it and you're like, oh my gosh, what a great song. I've got to go back and listen to more by that artist because I forgot about that song. So, okay.

[00:49:59] I want to head to Shauna, who's become a bit of a... Well, to quote Chris, who just... My fiancé who just finished watching the episodes. A bitch in the timeline, the teenage 90s timeline. From rage writing in her diary that they should never go home because of what they've done.

[00:50:25] And being so put out with everything that's going on. And biting Mari when they're playing a game, which... I mean... That was intense. I mean, part of it was the show faking us out. We were supposed to think that was a hunt. So, having Shauna bite her was sort of the last part of the hunt game. But it fit in the story because Shauna is being out of control. Yeah.

[00:50:53] She is deeply angry. And it's like it leaks out of her everywhere she goes. Just like little tendrils of darkness are just like pouring out of her. And it's completely understandable that what she's been through has taken her to this dark place. But they're all going through some stuff. And... Yeah. Yeah. It's so counterproductive. I think that she... There are multiple things going on. Jackie dying.

[00:51:23] She didn't get picked to be the leader. And I think she really thought it was going to be her. Yeah. The loss of her baby. And I think she still in some way blames the others for her baby dying. Just because of all those hallucinations and dreams she was having during that whole period. I think that it felt real to her. And so she's still blaming them for the loss of her baby.

[00:51:48] To the point where she goes off by herself to visit where she buried the baby. Well, she dug it up from where they had buried it. I have to say... Now, I know I'm a Shauna apologist. And I have to examine why that is. But she is not wrong about the stuff with her baby.

[00:52:13] It is so disrespectful for them to be like using her baby as some kind of religious prop for these made up spiritual practices. Yeah. When she so clearly does not want that to happen. Yeah. And this is a failure... She should be the boss of how they handle that. Yeah. This is a failure of Natalie's leadership that she's letting this happen. Because Shauna is clearly on a dark path. And it's getting worse and worse.

[00:52:40] And yet you're allowing Lottie to be like, oh baby, save us from the wilderness. That is messed up. Yeah. The baby is hers. And if she wants it to only be hers, that's her right. Yeah. They should completely be treating the baby's body the way Shauna decides. But she's digging the baby up is a bit like keeping Jackie's body around. Yeah. It's passive aggressive, which is completely Shauna. What are you doing there? Right? Shauna's resentful, but she takes action in secret.

[00:53:08] And then she's mad that people aren't respecting her secret decisions. It's fucked up. She's having a dark time. One thing I want to mention about the journal is I really liked when Van said previously on the Yellow Jackets. Oh my gosh. That was so... It was so meta. It was so good. And then, but she was saying it like, you know, the people who write the history make it sound good.

[00:53:34] I can't, I didn't write down exactly what she said, but then you have that contrasted with Shauna in her journal saying, we fucking ate each other. You know, just the darkness and the stark reality of it. By the way, I was also thinking Jeff read everything she said. Yep. But then later on, you know, when Lottie comes to the house, which I'm sure we'll talk about, and she's telling Callie, you know, like Callie's like, did you guys eat each other out there?

[00:54:02] And she's like, you know, that's what people are saying. And the way that people talk about it, that's not how it was. And all of that just makes me, that keys into the themes of the show that I always talk about, how your reality is shaped by your perceptions. And for Van, it could be one type of story, but for Shauna in this dark moment, it's a whole different kind of a thing. And just how these things, like for Lottie, the cannibalism was just part of her beautiful religion or something, you know.

[00:54:30] The ritual, the festival, all of that. And that is another point that we have to talk about with Lottie and Lottie's behavior in this episode. But with Shauna, I think we, I mean, I agree. She, I feel like they disrespected her by pulling the thought of the baby or the baby's life into the ceremonies and rituals and festival that they were doing.

[00:55:01] And they shouldn't have done that to her. And I think that is another reason why she's so angry. If you try to figure out all the reasons she's angry, she's got a lot to be angry about. She really does. She does. And then, and Natalie blew it off. Even when Ty was like, you know, this, this situation is getting out of control and it's serious. Natalie's like, oh, it's just stupid girl stuff. And I feel like Natalie is smarter. She is. Like what Shauna's going through is not stupid. No.

[00:55:31] She lost her baby in the wilderness. That's dark. And look at her age. I mean, Shauna's losing a baby and she's a teenager. Like this, it's, it hits different when it's like a kid, really not an adult. And she's going to be dealing with things and she's got no one out there that's trained to be able to talk to her about the loss that she's feeling. She's having to deal with it on her own.

[00:55:58] And no one is really, I mean, I get the impression that no one is really there for her. Like she's really on her own. I'm guessing that over the last several months, various people have tried and Shauna has lashed out really meanly at them. And so they all kind of gave up and they're letting her isolate herself from everybody else, which is, of course, the last thing you should do when somebody is hurting that much.

[00:56:26] Letting them isolate themselves is, is just asking for them to go on a suicide murder spree or something like that. But I get it. I mean, they're all teenagers, right? They're doing the best they can. And they're in a pretty hard situation themselves. Yeah. I just think back to season one, Nat, and how sensitive she was in her early relationship with Travis and how she was like, I understand that even though your father sucked, it hurts when they're gone.

[00:56:54] And how she was so understanding with him and coached him about being a better brother to Javi. And then now that she's leader and Shauna is clearly like spiraling, she's like, eh, it's girl stuff. It didn't feel true. I feel like with Natalie, something flipped in her when they let Javi die.

[00:57:17] Like, I think that she changed in a way that she can't ever go back to who she was before. Even when she was talking to Ben, when he found that Javi's hideout and wanted to take her there because he felt like she was the only one worth saving out of that whole group of people. And she basically, the way she was with him was just different. She's not that Natalie anymore.

[00:57:47] She let Javi die too. It wasn't just everyone else. They all let Javi die. And I think she has definitely changed. I don't, I mean, when we found out she was going to be the quote, Aunt Laqueen, it seemed like, honestly, a little out of left field because knowing Natalie, it just didn't really fit. To me, it didn't fit.

[00:58:17] I think she has a lot of self-loathing. Yeah. And I think that's shaping her actions. Like, I think that's why she's protecting Ben. Because she doesn't want anybody else to get her. Oh, that's what, oh, she's pretending not to care about Coach, but actually she's steering everyone away from him. She's protecting him. And I think she's known where he is the whole time. And I love that Misty figured that out, but didn't let on that she'd figured it out because she's smart enough. Because I was like, I don't know. Misty's really smart. But then not Donna immediately.

[00:58:48] Of course. Yeah. Do you in favor? Yeah. I mean, because it's all drama. I mean, that, if you look at it, not what the subject is about, but the way, but the act of narcing, all of that, it's such teenage behavior. Like, it's so teenager high school behavior. The alliances and cliques and the, you're my friend and you're not my friend and you're secretly my friend and it's us against them. All that stuff. Yeah.

[00:59:18] That was the worst part of high school. And so what we're looking at, I mean, we see a little bit later that maybe Shauna will have a friend. Because. Yeah. The whole thing with Akilah bringing the headdress to her because Natalie said she should have something special. And that's the last thing Shauna wants because yet again, it's let's do, you know, the baby. Bring it. Was it Natalie or was it Lottie? You're right. It was Lottie.

[00:59:47] Yeah. It was Lottie. And that goes back to the baby. It's all about the baby. That's why she was like, fuck that. So it goes back. Yeah. I mean, and that started before the baby even died when she was still pregnant. Remember Lottie was like singing to her pregnant belly or whatever and telling the baby how happy they were to have. And, and Shauna, that was when it started. And she was like, it's my baby. It's not your baby. But then Lottie. Lottie. Yeah. Lottie always pushed to make it seem like it was not just Shauna's baby. It was everyone's baby.

[01:00:16] And I think that made Shauna even more upset. And remember, Shauna beat the shit out of Lottie. Yeah. That's why everyone's afraid of her. So, I mean, they all stood there and watched it. And also Shauna has no respect for Lottie because Lottie said the baby was going to live and the baby didn't. So Lottie, that's all woo woo Lottie bullshit. Yeah. Shauna wants nothing to do with Lottie and what Lottie is doing. Yeah.

[01:00:45] And I just feel, I mean, I hope that she gets someone. I mean, I hope Melissa does become her friend and does and is there for her because she needs somebody. Yeah. Or she's going to him. That's the one that kissed her at the end? Yeah, that's Melissa. Yeah. She held a knife up to her throat and Shauna held a knife to Melissa's throat because Melissa saw her with the baby, right? If you tell anyone. And then Melissa kissed her.

[01:01:13] And they were intercutting that with the scenes of adult Shauna in the bathroom at the dinner. And she got out there. Somebody came up to the stall and it was creepy. But then they left and she got out. And then there was a phone in the stall playing Queen of Hearts. Queen of Hearts. Queen of Hearts. And then. And the lock screen was a mountain scene. Because I was like, that's just somebody coming back for the phone. But someone was in the stall. Why is it so creepy?

[01:01:42] But then she calls the restaurant and wants to know who it is. And they're intercutting that with, I think they're intercutting that with her kissing the girl. Yeah. They were. I think it's okay to say. Yeah. That's Melissa. Because they haven't actually reported this as far as I know. So it's speculation. But that Hillary Swank is probably going to play on her as an adult, right? Yeah. That's the prevailing internet theory that I've seen. Yeah. And it adds this whole other level that we weren't expecting. Like another survivor from the woods.

[01:02:11] Like, do the others know that Melissa's a survivor? Or do they think she's dead? There's so many questions. And another relationship that we didn't know about. That I'm guessing Jeff knows about because he read the journals. But we don't know. And we also don't know. Could be a threat to the marriage. Yeah. What's in the journals? Like, I was thinking about it. Like, Jeff read the journals. But that doesn't mean he knows everything that happened out there. Because it's not like Shauna's the most reliable narrator. It's not like she described the ceremony, right?

[01:02:41] She was like, I fucking hate everybody. Yeah. And so Jeff doesn't know a lot of the details. Because he just knows, you know, Shauna's emotions from it. But he could probably, if she wrote about, what's her name? Melissa. If she wrote about Melissa. Yeah. I think you could get the gist. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably something that's in there. But there's probably a lot of stuff that's not in the journals. Yeah. I also am like, where are they getting all the stuff that they have?

[01:03:08] Like, I know when the fire happened at the end of season two, Shauna grabbed a few things and threw them in a bag before she ran out of the house, like her journals and stuff like that. But like, how does she still have journals to write in? Like, why are there so many books? They had like an architecture book. Where did that come from? It just seemed like they had more supplies than would be explained. I think those are plot devices. Their shelters looked really cool. They did look cool.

[01:03:37] And Thaisa was involved with that because they talk about that. Yeah. She says handy lesbians for the win, which I thought was hilarious. Yes. Because as much as it's a stereotype that like lesbians are handy and good at building things, in my experience, it's also true. I would agree with that. Stereotypes matter for a reason. Yeah. One of my sisters is a lesbian and I was building blocks with my nephew when he was little and

[01:04:06] I was like, who builds a better castle than Aunt Penny? And he goes, oh, Aunt Mickey. And I was like, goddammit, you're white. Out of the mouths of babes. Yeah. So young Shauna, teen Shauna going through a lot of angst. I'm interested to see where it goes. I'm excited for the next episode to see where it goes, where this takes us.

[01:04:32] I think that Ashley and Bart have done such a great job. Yeah. They, yeah. Jonathan. They don't, they haven't disappointed me yet. So I feel like I can put my trust in them to continue to take us on this journey. I mean, the characters that they've created are so compelling that I am more than willing to be like, eh, that part doesn't make sense.

[01:05:02] Who cares? Yeah. Like, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so interested. Yeah. I can forgive a lot. Yes. Because it's, and it's really hard what they're trying to do. Like, this is a story that's hard to show on TV. Yeah. When there's stuff. So I can forgive it. When there's things like Fight Club is a movie, one of my favorite movies ever. So good. And without giving away the twist, you know, you could be like, oh, there's kind of a twist and that doesn't really make, I don't care. It's just so damn good and I'm enjoying it so much. I'll excuse anything that doesn't make sense. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

[01:05:32] That's how I feel. I think you can discount a couple of little things in favor of the amazingness that is everything else. Okay. Wendy, what do you have? All right. I wanted to talk a little bit about the opening scene. So we start out with a scene that's very reminiscent of the cold open, the pit girl scene. But we find that it's all just an intense game of tag.

[01:05:59] Shauna is extremely aggressive and bites Mary's hand really hard. It was really nice to see them, everybody but Shauna at least, having fun and having a lighter moment. At first, I kind of thought like, would they really be expending this much energy if they were hungry? Yeah. But apparently, game is abundant right now with the summertime.

[01:06:26] So they're doing really well and they've had these times, I'm sure, boredom, you know, and they've made up these elaborate games. I thought it was really cool. I grew up in the city and in the city, we used to play these elaborate, intense games called Freedom Tag, where like there was a square in an alley that was the box. And I saw they were using a circle pretty similarly. There were two teams. We'd have like 50 kids. We'd go in like a 10 block radius.

[01:06:56] We'd be all over the place. We'd be up on roofs. We'd hide in random people's cars. Like, you know, we were up to no good. That is some classic Gen X childhood stuff because now kids would never be allowed that much free range. Yeah. I mean, yes, that's true. Like when I was young, my parents had no idea where I was or what I was doing.

[01:07:20] But I really liked that part of it and I thought it was really interesting. Their camp was really cool. They had dragged some of the seats from the plane to the camp. So I thought that must indicate that it was close by the plane because I just thought, how far would you drag those seats? I don't know.

[01:07:44] And like you said, they had a book on how to make those teepees very convenient. But I really liked it. We also saw the three graves, which were Jackie, Javi and Shauna's baby. And I thought, well, why wouldn't they have all the people that died there? Maybe they didn't want to drag them there. It just seemed a little strange to me that they weren't all there.

[01:08:12] Or at least that's a lot of thing. Like somehow. Oh, yeah. Laura Lee, too. Yeah. I mean, the other people who died in the plane crash are sort of separate from these. Javi and Jackie, they think of as having saved them. And for some reason, Lottie thinks that the baby has some kind of mystical importance. But it's about the entity or the it or whatever. Yeah. I would put Laura Lee in that same group because she sacrificed herself to try to save them. Mm hmm.

[01:08:42] But they don't have her body. And we see. Yeah. We see Akilah is raising ducks and rabbits. To eat. And somebody else. Yeah. Because it seemed like. Although she was naming them. It seemed like pets. But then someone mentioned where Akilah has ducks as a food source. But seeing Travis hugging Mortimer, the duck. Mortimer. I'm like, oh, I didn't know you could cuddle a duck.

[01:09:10] It really made me want to go cuddle a duck. These must be trained ducks because I don't think ducks would be cooperative with that. They are if you raise them from a chick. We had pet ducks when I was a kid. And they let us like hold them and stuff. Yeah. That's so cool. They were named Bartlett and Kiefer.

[01:09:35] And then we see Jen bringing back like some kind of bird for dinner. So I thought. And they said the deer was very abundant. I thought that was all really interesting. I love the setup. And, you know, like just like The Walking Dead, the survivalist part of the show is really interesting to me.

[01:09:59] And it was, like I said at the top, just such a great contrast after a whole season of winter and darkness to see the green and the Cat Stevens song and them playing a game. And you know that things are going to get dark fast. But it was nice to have some lightness. Yeah. And they were giggling and laughing and stuff. Yeah. I was surprised so much time had gone by. Yeah. I wasn't expecting such a big time jump. I was thinking spring, but no. How do you know it was summer? No, they said it was the shortest.

[01:10:29] They said solstice. They said it was the longest. Wait, the shortest night of the year, which is June 21st. Oh, the shortest night. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's summer solstice. That's how we. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I was surprised by that. I thought we might pick up with a little bit of a time jump. I didn't expect like months of a time jump, but it was good to have the very convenient

[01:10:52] exposition from both Van and Jeff to catch anybody up who came into this episode without doing a rewatch of season two like we did. I usually hate exposition like that, but they did it just saying previously on Yellowjackets. Yeah. I was like, I am so here for this. Yeah. I enjoyed that. That's writing I enjoy. That's like, yeah, whatever you think is the trope, we're going to just like dive into it. Right into it. And do it anyway. Yeah.

[01:11:20] It's kind of like they got two more fortunate. Like the deer are plentiful where they were having so much trouble before. And I'm starting to wonder if maybe they think or at least Lottie thinks that the sacrifice of Harvey is bringing them some sort of prosperity. I'm sure that's what they think. Also, would it be that warm in the northern Canada?

[01:11:49] I'm not sure it would be. None of this is real. Yeah. It's a simulation. I don't know because in Alaska in the summertime, it gets pretty warm in the daytime. People run around in shorts and stuff. In some places it does not. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's a TV show.

[01:12:14] I just had one thing I wanted to mention about Callie's guts prank at school. It reminded me very strongly of a storyline, kind of a similar storyline in Six Feet Under that involved Lauren Ambrose where she takes a foot from the funeral home where she lives with her family, which is the point of the show, and leaves it in a kid's locker or something who was like a boy that was mean to her.

[01:12:41] And they're like, it's fucked up to leave a foot in some guy's locker. And she's like, it's fucked up that I have access to a foot. Yeah. And just so we don't really know what her storyline is going to be this season. I thought based on how it started that there was just going to be some mean girl stuff at school, which seemed good. And maybe that will be part of it. But then with Lottie in here, I feel like it's going to be more about her relationship with Lottie.

[01:13:10] But I just love the moment when Shauna, she showed the tape to Shauna and says, see, I'm not a serial killer. And Shauna goes, yeah, I mean, that's just fucking hilarious. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's so good. Play it again. And Callie, I think she kind of knew maybe her mom would respond that way because she knows her dark sense of humor. But it was such a great moment. That moment was so cute. I enjoyed it. It was such a sweet mother-daughter moment of them sort of embracing the fact that they

[01:13:38] are very similar, which has caused them a lot of friction in the past. But it also bonds them. And also... It's like Walter and Misty right now. Yeah. And also, Shauna had a big realization at the end of season two when she was taking care of the goat about how she had kept Callie at arm's length her whole life because the pain of losing the baby, the first baby, was so much that she just couldn't let herself love like that again.

[01:14:02] And I think that what we're seeing is, you know, on a Yellow Jackets yardstick growth. That Shauna is like, maybe instead of being mad at my daughter or assuming the worst, why don't I just talk to her? And then it worked out great. Like they really shared a moment. Now, it was a weird moment. But they're, you know, Shauna and Callie are dark people. That's great. She is her mother's daughter.

[01:14:32] And she's smart when you're trying to. Like witty and smart. Yeah. Yeah. So there comes an envelope for Shauna with the Yellow Jackets. I mean, not the Yellow Jackets. The what do we call this symbol? The symbol. The symbol. Just say the symbol. And it has what? A videotape in it? That is. Cassette tape? That is something of old, actually. It's called. Oh, and I wrote it down.

[01:15:02] Because. Is it a high A? No. It's. I just thought it was like a micro cassette. Oh, I think it's a dat tape. It's one of those data tapes. It's like a micro data. Ah. There's a term for it. What is on it? You used to be able to back up computers by plugging. Yeah. It's like a storage device for data. Okay. Oh, my gosh. I remember that. Yeah. Oh, so she might not easily be able to see what's on there. Honestly, I've not seen one of.

[01:15:32] She'll have to take it to somebody. I've not seen one of the places that you could. I haven't seen a computer that could read it since like 2003. So. Yeah. But I just think. I don't know. I don't remember, actually. But I always. I'm pretty sure I felt like those postcards they were getting in the first season. Were not from Jeff. We never really got an answer on that. Yeah. And that maybe this is the same. This is the postcard person.

[01:16:03] Maybe. Yeah. It's possible. It's a huge question. What's on the tape? And Callie not showing it to either of her parents is a interesting choice. And after they've just had all this honesty and coming clean. Yeah. Yeah. And then. But even with the honesty and coming clean, there are still a lot of unanswered questions for Callie. Obviously. And in episode two, we see her attempting to get those answers. That's a good point. So I think that's why she is doing that.

[01:16:32] She wants to know everything. Yeah. And when Shauna came clean with her in season two about having killed Adam, she said, well, what happened out in the forest or whatever? And Shauna's like, can we just leave it at that for now? I don't want to talk about that right now. So she knows that Shauna won't tell her. So maybe she's just like, yeah, maybe I can find something out. I mean, I totally get why she was saw Lottie being there as this huge opportunity. That makes sense to me. Oh, yeah, totally.

[01:17:01] Because I wasn't quite sure why she was so interested in having Lottie there. But that is one good reason that I hadn't thought of just the opportunity to try to get information from her. But also Becky Anderson, one of our listeners and friends had reminded us on our Facebook group, podcasting group, that in the season two finale, Lottie told Callie, you have a strength about you or something like that.

[01:17:31] You're really strong. And so maybe that sort of got her curious about Lottie too. Well, again, she's the child of Shauna and Jeff. The baby that died in the wilderness was the child of Shauna and Jeff. So is there a connection there? Right. Does Lottie think that she has some kind of spiritual connection to that place and that baby? I don't know. With Lottie, I mean, all things are possible with Lottie. Oh, yeah.

[01:18:00] And that's another thing. Yeah. Like we've got this juxtaposition of the past where Shauna's fed up with young Lottie. Trying to use her baby for spiritual reasons or whatever. And then in the present day, Shauna doesn't want Lottie anywhere near her daughter. A couple of things from the first season that we haven't really talked about. The big, weird, scary noise. Yeah. Do you have any theories? Well, let me.

[01:18:28] Can I share one of the reasons I went back to watch that episode at the beginning? Like episode one of the show? Those sounds are very similar to what the girls are hooting and hollering during the chase. Ha ha! Yeah. That's terrifying. Because there did sound like some bird cawing in there. And there was like insect sounds. Like a locust. Like there was a lot of layered animal sounds. Yeah.

[01:18:58] That couldn't just be explained by one thing. I thought it might be migrating geese. Sometimes when a really big flock of geese flies overhead, they make just the biggest racket of like flapping and honking. But there were other non-goose sounds mixed in. And you imagine with so many women out there, girls and Travis. I mean, when they're chasing pit girl and everyone's making a different sound, it works

[01:19:27] perfectly well to replicate these sounds. So, yeah, when I heard the yelling, it was kind of, when I went back to watch, because I wanted to confirm about the pit, that was kind of a secondary thing that I just learned while I was watching the pit. But, yeah. So do you think, are you saying that they heard those sounds in the forest and then later mimicked them? I think they did, yeah. Yeah, okay. I think so. I think they're learning.

[01:19:57] But it seemed supernatural. Yeah, I think they're learning from the wilderness. I think Lottie has got them on some journey. And I appreciate that Shauna is pushing back at it, given what we saw from Lottie in these two episodes. Teen Lottie and adult Lottie. I had a couple other things for the first episode.

[01:20:24] I 100% knew that when Shauna was searching for Kelly's chronic, she would end up smoking us. Yeah. Yeah. Like, as soon as she started looking, I was like, I know how that ends. I mean. And also, like, we don't, do we, it seems like Nat and Travis are not together.

[01:20:52] Travis seems like he and Lottie are really close right now. And she's like, turned into a drug pusher. It's really weird. Yeah. So I had questions about Nat and Travis. They seem to be not together. And I definitely got a weird vibe between Lottie and Travis. Almost like, I don't, I can't even explain it.

[01:21:20] Like, it seemed like it could be sexual, but not necessarily. And it made me wonder, like, what their relationship was like, because we know that she was there when he died as adults. Yeah. So I think there's more to come. And in the last season, he kept, like, he, he was, he seemed interested in her. She became important to him. Well, sexually.

[01:21:47] Like, when he was with Nat, he was picturing her and she came over to him and he had a boner. I forgot all about that. Yeah. She seems to have something over him. Like, like, she's a witch. Oh, yeah. And she's, like, cast a spell on him. She's, like, in Wormtongue, you know? Like, this whole thing of, well, that's in episode two, but just sitting there forcing him to take shrooms every day. It seems so fucked up.

[01:22:16] It was really fucked up. Yeah. That's probably my. Runner up. Fucked up. You know, we can talk. Well, we can talk about it for the second episode. Yeah. I think we pretty much finished episode one. Let's move on to episode two, Dislocation, referring to, in part, the incredibly painful situation with Mari's knee. That was so hard to watch. Let's see.

[01:22:44] Daphne, want to start us off? Okay. We've talked about a bunch of things already because we talked about Walter and Misty and that whole situation. Let's see. Talked about Coach Ben. Let's talk about Coach Ben again, though. Yeah, there's a lot about Ben in this episode. Yes.

[01:23:16] Ben was very firm with Mari in getting her to fix her dislocated knee while she was in the pit before he was able to get her out. I thought it was incredibly smart that he blindfolded her to take her to his super hidden hideout. Because he doesn't know. It was a great moment, too, because she's afraid of him and we're thinking, oh, he seems okay.

[01:23:44] And then as soon as he pulls her up, he trips her and ties her up. And it's like, oh, maybe he's not okay. It makes perfect sense. Because why would he want to take her to where he's staying when he thinks the girls all want to kill him and eat him? So, exactly. And he asks her and the look on her face is like, oh, yeah, we did talk about that. Exactly. He doesn't know what to do, which is another, yeah, like we said, I don't know.

[01:24:14] It seems like if he tried to burn them all down, maybe he would just kill her and bury the body or something. I mean, even if she runs away and runs back to them, she still knows where the pit is. And she would be able to probably figure out like where he is. And it would end up in his death because they would kill him. They believe he did it.

[01:24:37] Although I have to tell you, in this, in watching this episode, my head went through every character trying to figure out who else would burn that cabin down. Tie. Tie. Dark Tie. Dark Tie could have burned it down.

[01:24:54] I also think Lottie could have burned it down because I think that Lottie would want to push them to come together through this shared experience of rebirth by building themselves a new camp, you know, together. Honestly, it could be any one of them. Misty? Misty. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Someone we haven't met yet.

[01:25:16] I mean, they have everything at this new place all set up complete with their robes, which, I mean, those are the beginning, I think, of those robes that we see in episode one. Yeah. Yeah. Like pro-day cult uniforms. And right now they've got, they have these hoods that are taken from airplane seats. So you can see, but yes, that's the prototype for the beginning of the robes that we get to see.

[01:25:46] Um, but Ben takes her back to his hideout. I thought, you know, like I said, I think it was smart of him to tie her up and blindfold her so she can't figure out where he is. Um. But then he is kind to her and gives her hot chocolate. He didn't have to do that. That's incredibly kind. I don't think she believed him either until she drank it. And then it was like, oh my God, this is really hot chocolate.

[01:26:16] Can you imagine? It was a bit of a, it was whiplash because she's so worried about him. And then he gives her the hot chocolate, which is such a nice thing to do. And then he goes over and he's like, I'm not sure what to do. Like talking to himself. Kind of crazy. Right. So. Yeah. It's a weird situation. And I also reflected on Jackie because when Jackie had her death dream or Shauna had the death dream, whoever had it.

[01:26:39] And when they, when they brought her inside from the cold, they gave her hot cocoa and she was like, how did you get this? Hmm. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what it made me think of. And also Mary has a terrible game. Like this guy's got her tied up, blindfolded in his tree home and she's, and she's like starting to threaten him. They're going to find me. And when they do, they're going to like, what are you doing? Yeah.

[01:27:09] Not very smart. No, not. The look on her face when she heard him arguing with himself or possibly, I guess, with a person off screen that we couldn't see was sort of like, huh, I guess he's gone crazy too. Doot, doot, doot, hot chocolate. Yep. You figure he's been alone for months, six months. He's been alone with no one.

[01:27:33] I mean, unless him and Natalie have met and talked, he hasn't talked to another soul in six months. That's a long time. That's a long time. You're probably going to start talking to yourself. Yeah. So I feel like Ben has had to, he's had to figure out how to live on his own and not lose his mind completely.

[01:28:02] But I do wonder if he has seen Natalie to talk to, like if they have some set up, like she knows where he is so she could go to see him. But would she risk it? Because they could follow her. I mean, and we know that they follow each other because Melissa followed Shauna. Yeah. Yeah. And all of them are out in the woods all the time, you know, hunting or gathering or just walking around or doing whatever. How is he able to hide?

[01:28:33] You're saying she, she's covering for him and protecting him. That to me also says she probably doesn't think that he is the one that tried to burn the car. I don't think she does think that. I mean, it is possible that the fire was an accident. That happens all the time in winter, right? Chimneys catch fire or a fireplace that's not perfectly banked, you know, catches fire on something. But the windows were like. Yeah, that's the. Stuck. And the door was barred. The door was barred, yeah.

[01:29:02] Yeah, that's true. I keep forgetting about that part. It just seems really like you try to put the pieces together and it seems like he tried to kill them because they're all bad. Yeah. Well, they're all. He's big and might eat them, yeah. But I think. Yeah. I don't know. I do think this is a show that usually gives us the answers. Absolutely. So I do think we're going to get the answers. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:29:27] I think that living on his own and having to do everything for his survival on his own is saving him from the depression that he was in before. Because when he was in the cabin with the girls, he wasn't really contributing very much. He was mostly like. No, he was like over in the corner. Yeah. Yeah, moping. Yeah. I mean, he was working on a map with Natalie, but mostly he was moping. And now he's, you know, he's clever and resourceful.

[01:29:57] And he's moving around on those crutches pretty easily. And, you know, he's got ropes and bags and systems. And there's something you said for staying active. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't mean like exercise, running and aerobics active, but just like doing things helps you deal with depression. It just does. As much as when you're depressed, you don't want to do things. Yeah. But it's. Yeah.

[01:30:25] And adversity or challenges make us stronger if we can get through them. And man, in a lot of ways, they're going to be so much stronger than they were before. Just as far as knowing how to survive in the wilderness, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I was putting together an apocalypse team, all of these people would be great for it. But I would still be afraid Misty might kill me for some random reason. Yes. I think you'd have to hesitate before you put Misty on the team.

[01:30:55] No. She's not going to be on my team. I would hope that we had a good supply of food. But that's not what Misty would kill you for. She would. Everyone else would, though. Yeah. That's true. And also solving problems. You know, the things that you have to do to survive. Every time you solve a problem, you get like a hit of dopamine. Right. And that just helps you. Yeah. Feel better. Yeah. This is really the best thing that he needed in his life, actually. Yeah. I'm just kidding.

[01:31:24] Well, once he lost the leg, I think, you know. Yeah. No. Yeah. Totally. He seems much better. Yeah. He's more with it. He has more will to live, even though he's arguing off in the corner with who knows who. Right. He looks healthier. He looks, you know. Yeah. He just looks better. He seems better. Mm-hmm. I sort of thought, you know, I kept having a thought like, well, things are so, like, there's plentiful food and the weather's nice. Wouldn't they have tried one more time to just walk out of there?

[01:31:54] Yes. Yes. At this point, you know. That is one of my points. Like, they have tons of food. They've learned survival skills. Why wouldn't they have taken off? Why are they just hanging out? What's keeping them there? Right. You know? They're in a TV show. That might be the big part of it. Maybe they will try. Maybe that's what's going to happen next. Who knows? But you're right. It does seem like now is the time because it's warm out and there's food. They'll wait for another winter.

[01:32:24] Exactly. But we do know, based on when the Cannibal Council and everything we saw in episode one, they're going to get to winter again. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But I don't think they're going to be there the whole winter. I think it's going to be more like. They get rescued the next day after that scene. Maybe. I think if we did the math, they were going to get rescued around December. 19 months.

[01:32:53] Of the year they're in. So they only have like six months to go. Yeah. But of course they don't know that. Yeah. Right. And Shauna thinks they should never go back because of what they've done. Right. Yeah. I was thinking about that. Like, they've been able to keep this relatively secret, the fact that they were cannibals. But there's no way that whoever rescued them, if somebody actually came into the woods and

[01:33:18] rescued them rather than them getting themselves out, they would have like also brought back the bodies of the other people that died. And you would know that a body, like you would be able to tell a coroner or whoever would be able to tell that a body had been roasted, that the meat had been removed from the bones. Like the cannibalism would be. Unless they hid it all. Maybe. But you got to. That's what I was thinking. I can't believe that like Jackie's parents were like, we'll pay any amount of money to

[01:33:48] get our daughter's body and put it in our family plot, you know. I'm just, I think it's really hard to believe that they weren't outed for the cannibalism earlier on. Yeah. I feel like they weren't entirely honest either with when they went back telling people how people actually died. Like they. Yeah, I'm sure they lied. They may have said that all of the people they ate had died in the crash. Yep.

[01:34:18] Yeah. Yep. And it wasn't like the plane crash with the Andes where when they crashed, there was literally nothing, not a blade of grass, nothing around. Right. Whereas they crashed in the woods and. And in the summer. Stuff. Right. Right. Yeah. Well, they didn't eat people until winter, to be fair. Well, true. They didn't like start eating them right away from the crash site. That would have been really disturbing for all of us. I think.

[01:34:48] Give me that leg. Oh my gosh. Yummy. It's, I think it's Wendy's turn. It is. All right. I'm going to talk about Shauna and Jeff go out to dinner and they leave their precious only child with the best babysitters in the whole world. Lottie just released from a psych hold Matthews and Misty fucking. Oh my God.

[01:35:16] But Shauna did try to get a hold of other people. Like she did. Misty was not the first choice. Yes. Even though she kind of acted like she was. Yeah. Misty is thrilled to be needed and trusted. You can totally see. She's really excited that she's been called upon. She takes her jobs very seriously. She's asking Callie.

[01:35:43] She says she needs a status report at 2100 hours of her homework. And she tells Lottie that they're going to alphabetize the pantry, which I just love. I just love all the Misty pieces. And Callie is getting right down with the Yellow Jackets program and drugs Misty so that she can get Lottie alone to spill, spill, spill all the secrets.

[01:36:09] And then it cuts to Shauna and Jeff coming home and finding Callie braiding Lottie's hair. I mean, it's just so delicious. And we have no idea what Lottie did or did not tell Callie. Right. Right. And it's just another big mystery. And even if the things she told her were true, because Lottie doesn't have a real big grasp on reality, I would say.

[01:36:39] Nor does she value it. Right. She's like perceptive truth is is her truth. I mean, it's like I just always think this series is about how because we all see people doing things that we think are kind of crazy or just like not. That person believes something that I don't believe. How did they get to that? You know, and for her, she even calls it.

[01:37:04] I really love the way Simone Kessel is playing the role, too, because she when we first met Simone Kessel as Lottie, she was head of this group and had this presence and centeredness. And now she's been through the ringer and had a stint in a mental hospital or something. And she seems off balance. Right. She her vibe is different. She's still got some of that old vibe, but it's different because she's been through something.

[01:37:27] But anyway, she she says, you know, it was so funny when she's like, no, it's OK. Hey, what happened out in the wilderness or no in the retreat, like because that Natalie died. That's what she's saying to Misty, because that's what it wanted. It chose for that to happen. And then Missy's like, so they let you out of that hospital. Huh? They just let you right out of there. And then she said, like, well, you know, yeah, because this is my religion.

[01:37:55] And even though they don't agree with my religion and that is just similar to the kinds of things I'm talking about, where different religious groups think such different things. And if you examine it, it's like, wow, there's they have these whole creation stories about supernatural beings that created the planet or whatever. And that's just, you know, and maybe people listening to me have that and maybe you guys have that.

[01:38:23] And and they can be so different from one another. But when you really are in it, you go to church every day or whatever you do. You're in a cannibal cult or I mean, I hate to equate those, but you know what I mean? Like our realities can be so different from one another. And for Lottie, I mean, we can write her off as being crazy, but sanity is just what we all agree on.

[01:38:45] And for her, she has this firm belief that it's sort of exacerbated or bolstered, if you want to put it that way, by I think maybe her schizophrenia or or this. There's actually this entity because it's a TV show. Right. And she knows it and she just whatever it is, she feels in her bones. And that is her reality. So it's really interesting. And the way she was saying to Callie, like I mentioned before, like the people, the way people talk about what happened out there, it wasn't like that.

[01:39:13] And in her voice, you can tell she thinks it was just beautiful. Everything that happened because it was guiding us the whole time. Yeah. She hasn't let go of any of it. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Even though Nat's dead and she takes no responsibility for that. It wanted it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's absolutely real that she would have been released as in fact, she would have been released after three days.

[01:39:42] Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, absolutely. You've got to really hurt somebody to get committed. Yeah. And she didn't. She didn't hurt anybody. Right. That they know of anyway. Not that night. Yeah. It's you. It's me. It's me.

[01:40:07] I want to talk a little bit more about the dinner and the Joel and Nathan of it all. Or as Shauna points out, Joel's. It just doesn't matter what their names are. They're the same. And I sort of loved her telling them off. I felt bad for Jeff in that moment. But in her defense, I think Jeff had already lost the deal.

[01:40:33] I think that Shauna correctly read that those guys were going to tell Jeff he wasn't big time enough for them and tell him no to the deal or try to get him to give them giant discounts or concessions or whatever. And she just wasn't having it. And I think Jeff was sort of kidding himself that he was going to get that deal by being a suck up to those douchey dudes.

[01:41:00] And her telling them off was incredibly satisfying for me. I was like, there are so many times that I've wanted to tell someone that they don't matter or that they are nothing. And especially people who call themselves self-made who are Nepo babies. Oh, that must have been such a fun, wonderful moment.

[01:41:20] I do think it's going to spell trouble for their relationship, though, because Jeff, as loving as he is, at some point he's going to be like, you need to change at least one thing. Like, you can't show me a little effort. You can't keep acting like you're the only person whose feelings exist. And he seems like he's getting to that point where he's like, I've forgiven so many things.

[01:41:47] And all I asked for you to do was be nice to two people at dinner. Like, it's not a huge request. And his furniture business is like the most important thing to him. And I don't know if I agree with that, Penny. I think they were sort of negging him, you know, in his business, like downplaying his success to get a good deal. And I don't know if they would have had the dinner if there wasn't some possibility of a deal.

[01:42:15] And I think if Jeff had said all the right things and Shauna, too, that they could have come to some deal probably. Maybe. We don't know. I think they have been douchebags because they had some power over him. And that's what people like that do. My husband predicts that his prediction was that the partner, because the partner seemed a little impressed by Shauna,

[01:42:41] that the partner is going to ditch the other guy and make the deal with Jeff. Oh, I like that story. That could be cool. Because he's impressed with Shauna's balls. That's what Brian said. I could see that. And also, I just think Shauna's incapable at this point of being anybody other than who she is. It did. Yeah. So leave her out of the business dinners, I would say. Yeah. I would not have taken her with me because she's unpredictable.

[01:43:11] I mean, think back to that brunch they had with Jackie's parents. Oh, my gosh. Where she was like, I don't even like my daughter. Like, the things that come out of her mouth. And she's kind of, I feel like she's delightful for viewers, but bad for husbands. I feel like, though, she's come a long way since then. Like, she's still, yes, she's still Shauna, but she's changed a little bit. Like, I feel like if it's possible she has even more balls than she had before.

[01:43:42] So, this, that whole series of scenes gave me what I think it might be one of Jeff's best lines since there's no book club. And that is, our credenzas are a regular fuck fest. Because that goes back to when he and Shauna were role playing. Role playing. Role playing. Yeah. And I, oh, my gosh.

[01:44:10] I just burst out laughing at that. I love the callback. We're such douches. Yeah. And the line was just, it was perfect. I really hated those guys. And I liked the restaurant, though. It looked nice. I was like, I would go there. That looks like a great restaurant. A good place for a dinner. Yeah. For a business dinner. Totally. Totally.

[01:44:35] And Shauna being so obsessed with the phone and calling the restaurant and trying to, like, figure out who picked up the phone. I was like, if I was the restaurant, that'd be a story I would tell. I'd be like, this crazy woman found a phone. And then she thought, like, she gets to know whose phone it is or something. Like, why didn't you just keep the phone, Shauna? But what was really weird, it was so douchey of that guy to be like, what happened in there?

[01:45:03] And I wanted her to be like, in the bathroom? You want me to tell you what happened in the bathroom? Like, don't ask people that, you weirdo. Like, I peed. What do you want to know? I like, so she calls the restaurant asking about the phone, right? And, well, earlier when Lottie came and she was trying to slam the door in her face and Callie's like, you should, no, you should bring her in and everything.

[01:45:32] And Callie says, Mom, you have such, I want to speak to the manager. No, she definitely didn't. And then later when she's on the phone, she's like, all right, you're right, Callie. I want to speak to the manager. But she whispered it because she didn't want anyone to hear that she did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was hilarious. I've had to do that. Like, there's been times when I'm like, oh, crap, I'm doing the thing. Sadly. I want to talk to a manager. Like, oh. Hey, sometimes you need to talk to the manager. Like, oh, middle-aged white lady. Especially in healthcare.

[01:46:02] We didn't talk about this in episode one, but I want to talk about, because I feel like it also was in this episode. It's kind of straddling both. Natalie's leadership. And why I think the days are numbered for it. I think I mentioned before that I, Natalie seemed to be the unlikely leader for the group out in the wilderness. And when she was picked, it was a little surprising, especially for Shauna.

[01:46:30] But I don't think Natalie's more laid-back style of leadership is going to survive out there. I think they are going to end up, based on Misty noticing that Natalie tried to brush off the trap that they saw when they were out looking for Mari,

[01:46:59] I think there's going to be a coup attempt at some point or a vote for different leadership, whether Lottie supports it or not. Yeah. I think that it's very likely that Natalie is not going to be the leader throughout the rest of the season. I think we're going to get to a point where that changes. Because she didn't diffuse the situation with Shauna and Mari, even though she saw it play out.

[01:47:28] She tried to punish them. And Thaisa tried to talk to her about it. Nothing changed. Like, Natalie blew it off. And it was really a pressure cooker situation. And it shows that she's a little out of touch with the seriousness of those little issues like that. Like, she should have seen that it was more than just a little tiff.

[01:47:56] We're talking about Shauna biting Mari on the hand in the middle of a game. Shauna spitting in Mari's food and shoving her face in it. Her rudeness to Mari and everyone else, even though I think, yes, I do think Mari probably deserved to be slapped for some of the comments she made. I don't know that she deserved everything she got.

[01:48:26] And I think Natalie letting it go and escalate to that is not going to be lost on everyone else that's there. Yeah, I think it's a real failure of her leadership. Yeah. And I have... I don't think that the new leader is going to be Ty, even though Ty thinks she would be a good leader. It would be bad because Shauna is in rage mode.

[01:48:51] I'm wondering if it's going to somehow end up being Shauna, which is not smart. Which would be bad. I flashback to something that they said in season one, which was Ty and Shauna talking about Nat. And they said, we owe her so much. Yeah. We never would have gotten out of there without her. Mm-hmm. I also think about how when all the blackmail stuff was getting crazy and they were like, who was it?

[01:49:21] Was it Nat or Ty? Who was like, that's it? I'm calling Shauna. And they all sort of deferred to her in a way. Like, Shauna was this powerful person. And at the time, I was pretty sure Shauna was going to end up being the antler queen. And they are... She might. I mean, Melissa says it. They're all afraid of her. And it's not just because she beat Lottie up. It's also, you know... It's everything.

[01:49:47] The anger and the meanness and the fact that she really did sort of cause Jackie to get killed. And, you know, she's also got this position, this status in the group. Yeah, I could see her ending up being the antler queen. The final antler queen. She's powerful. That we see. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's Natalie. I really don't think it's Natalie. I think we're going to see a power shift. And it's probably the one in the council that we saw.

[01:50:16] Which I agree. I don't think it's good for her to be the leader. I do think, though, that Lottie is still very bought into the giving it what it wants, even in the present day timeline. Oh, yeah. So... Oh, yeah. That was the whole ritual. Yeah. She's... She had bought in. I mean, given what she put Travis through, because I thought, honestly, she was being cruel to him. Pushing him through the mushrooms and forcing him to do things.

[01:50:46] Oh, yeah. I... Yeah. Yeah. That was messed up. And trying to get around whoever was trying to stop her. That is not okay. That was one of my points. And again, let's think about all the time she's been off her medication. And by the way, if you... With psychedelics like shrooms, when you take it, it down-regulates your serotonin receptors.

[01:51:14] And so that means if you take it again the next day, it'll have like half the effect. And then the next day, almost nothing. So that's one little flaw in the writing there. If he was taking... Unless you take a much bigger dose the next time, which he may have been. You need a few days, like a week or something to reset. So I'm told. In the second episode, he was crying and shaking. That was my fucked up moment of that episode. Yeah.

[01:51:44] Like, and she wouldn't stop. And what was her rationale? She's like, this thing that you're tapping into is so much bigger than any of us. Because he's communing with the spirits or something. And she wants to continue and see what it's telling him. And then later, he tells her... More important than going to find Mary. Yeah. And later, he tells her, oh, but you know, it told me that it doesn't want me. Because it wants her. I think he's pointing to Akilah, right? Yeah. Because that's why the animals trust her.

[01:52:14] And I think that was a total lie. It was. To get Lottie off. It absolutely was a lie. And she fell for it. Yeah. I mean... She just is trying so hard to make sense out of everything. But she's mentally unwell. And she doesn't care who she hurts to do it. Yeah. That was alarming to me. She's one of the most... Maybe I'm forgetting something, but overtly bad things that she's done.

[01:52:43] Yeah. It seems like... Yeah. I think so. I mean, remember back to the ceremony in Doomcoming where they were chasing Travis? I was convinced that Shauna was going to kill him. Yeah. At Lottie's encouragement. That's true. Yeah. Right. But they were all on shrooms at the time, so... Right. No excuse.

[01:53:08] And she tells Travis that she has been under psychiatric care and was on psychiatric meds that prevented her from having hallucinations. And he put all that together. But of course, he was high when he was doing it. So I don't know if he remembers that. But he was putting all that together. He's like, so now you're not on the medication and you're seeing things. Yeah.

[01:53:34] And I think it was starting to make sense to him that she isn't, you know... Some of what she's saying isn't real. But she said something like, I was. So I feel like her visions have actually stopped now. And maybe that's one reason why she's so interested in Travis or whoever else. Right. Because she's not getting any information. Yeah. She wants that material. I was thinking about it. But in season one, they're talking about Travis.

[01:54:04] And Natalie repeatedly says that... Modern day Natalie repeatedly says that Travis doesn't believe in all that stuff. Right? He doesn't believe in that. He doesn't believe in that woo-woo stuff. Yeah. And so in season two, when he started to be part of Lottie's prayer group or whatever, and then during the birth episode, he's the one who was like, let's do an offering. You know, let's get the altar together.

[01:54:27] I was surprised by that because in the modern timeline, Natalie was so sure that he doesn't believe in that stuff. So maybe this is what we're seeing is the beginning of him breaking away from Lottie's beliefs. Yeah. I think, too, that we can't discount that Travis has gone through a severe trauma himself. His father died in the plane crash, but then his brother died and was chopped up. And he ate him.

[01:54:57] And he ate him. Yeah. I think that's why he's not hunting anymore. Like, all of it was a little too much for him, and he's like, no, I need to hang out with some ducks. Yeah. I mean, I'd be hugging the duck, too, with all of that going on. Can you imagine? Oh, my goodness. Yeah. We did see him playing some silly games with the girls. Yeah, like telephone or whatever. He was playing, like, telephone. Mm-hmm. Yep. That was funny.

[01:55:26] That was cute, actually. They were, like, giggling. Mm-hmm. And when Van and Ty are going to go look for Mari, he's like, I still know the woods really well. That made me think that he has not been going out. Yeah. Like, scavenging or hunting at all. Yeah. But he's like, I still remember. And then Lottie's like, no, I need him. And the look on both Van and Ty's faces were like, yep, Lottie needs him. Like, she always does. Like, what are you going to do?

[01:55:55] I feel like... I also enjoyed that they were like, we're going to go look for Mari, too. And then one of them is like, but not with Natalie and Misty. And the other one's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Of course not. Like, not with Misty. I have a point that is all the questions that I have right now. I'll just sort of read through them real fast. What did Lottie reveal to Callie? Is Callie somehow inhabited by it?

[01:56:26] What is on the cassette tape and who left the package? Also, whose phone was that in the bathroom? And are those the same person? Why did that waiter die? Why did Ty feel the need to go into that church and burn the matchbook in like an altar candle? In some kind of ritualistic way. What happened at the doctor with Van? Is Jeff ever going to get to smoke any of that weed? That is the question.

[01:56:56] That's a very big question in my mind. And in the teen timeline, was Coach talking to himself or is there another person there? What was that awful noise? How long has it been since the cabin burned down? They said solstice. So we think about six months. And who burned down the cabin? Those are my big questions right now. They said that it burned for weeks, which is hard to believe. But it seemed like they stoked it. Yeah, they fed the fire.

[01:57:26] They just kept the fire going. I guess my only other two big series wide questions are who is the final antler queen and what other secrets are they keeping from everyone? Oh, just that question about all the other secrets? Okay. Because we've already seen pretty much enough that that would be enough, right? Yeah. But it seems like there's more. There's probably more.

[01:57:56] Yeah. I think the distinction that Mari makes when she's talking to Coach is an important one. We didn't kill Javi, actually, but we did eat him. And I think that we've seen with Pit Girl that they move from, you know, a dead person that they eat to killing somebody. And they were trying to kill Nat, but Shauna couldn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't know, honestly, if Pit Girl was a willing part of the ceremony to and picked the wrong card and then freaked out and ran away just like that.

[01:58:26] Yeah. The weird thing about it is that she's barefoot and in a nightgown when she's running. Yes. Which doesn't seem like they all got together for the ritual. And yeah, there's something about that that feels like it was a surprise. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. I feel like they all turned on her at the last second and she had no choice.

[01:58:54] I also go back to the festival that they have when Lottie is talking about Javi, Jackie, and the child. Javi to watch over us, Jackie to guide us, and the child to deliver us. And wondering if that's going to have a greater meaning at some point. Because I feel like it will. It will, yeah. So I wanted to bring it up. Yeah. Deliver us, I feel like, means get us out of here. Mm-hmm.

[01:59:24] So how is the child related to that? That's a good question. I don't, I'm not sure. Yeah. Um, so I forgot to mention it at Natalie's funeral when her mother comes up and basically just complains about having to push her on the swing so much. And then that's it. That was so sad. oh man it totally reminded me of grandma's funeral where her sister came up and said you know her nickname was k but that was actually my name and she stole it and then that was about it

[01:59:55] and that's my aunt wanda in a nutshell i was not surprised to hear that when lottie came to the door and wanted to stay and then shauna let her in and she said thanks for inviting me into your home shauna and shauna says no lottie this is not us inviting you into our home this is us getting off the porch so the neighbors don't call the cops when they spot some

[02:00:17] goop sorceress rambling about the fucking tree spirits i love that yes yeah and like can't she get a hotel where's all her money i know what's happening why did she just lose the commune right yeah and i don't blame her for not shauna for not wanting the person who tried to play phenobarbital russian roulette with them and was chasing her through the woods yeah callie shot like

[02:00:45] she's already worried about callie and callie's healing from all of this dark crap and then it's like oh here's this woman you clearly will have complicated feelings about let's have her in the house like duh and my last note is when uh that same sort of sequence and um callie really wants them to help lottie but uh um what's his name jeff and shauna are saying no he she's too dangerous

[02:01:13] and kelly's like weren't you dismembering your dead lover a few days ago is our family scorecard not murder attempted murder and accomplice to murder and i was like yeah i'm so glad you pointed that out because that's exactly she's gonna throw that in their faces for the rest of their lives it's true i am so happy that sarah desjardins was upgraded this season to like a full-time cast

[02:01:38] member because i think i didn't know that it's great yeah yeah callie is gonna be delightful i yeah i really enjoy every moment that she's on screen yeah and i don't think she wanted lottie to stay because it was the right thing i think she wanted lottie to stay to milk her she just wants information yeah yeah yeah but she may there may be some intrigue there too yeah i think she may want to get lottie's version of some things to kind of confirm what her mother has told her

[02:02:09] any information and also to learn more she wants to know more about what and who can blame her i would too i would i would be poking around constantly trying to find out more information yeah she want to know what exactly is my mom capable of yeah that i don't already know right because i know some things she's already told me murder and dismemberment and there's stuff she won't tell me

[02:02:32] like what is that stuff yeah exactly what could possibly be alone with this person or what am and what am i capable of as her daughter right like do i carry the crazy genes that my mother has most likely yes i remember one time i asked my mom did you ever try acid mom and she goes yeah and i'm like how many times did you do it and she goes oh about a hundred times a hundred times oh my gosh how many times did

[02:03:02] you try it oh i tried it about a hundred times that's a lot of times i know wow and i would i'd always heard if you do it seven times you're legally insane um i think that's an urban legend oh wow i just remember like the videos that they showed us when we were kids like in fifth and sixth grade and it was like if you take acid you are going to peel your face off that's it and i was like well i don't want

[02:03:27] that to happen no no i thought that it was interesting that nobody invited misty to the funeral and when they questioned where she was i think it was shauna or thaisa that said speaking of hell where is misty yeah and they all she she they they just wrote it off like oh her citizen detective boyfriend would have found out but i think there's a good chance that she would have been there if

[02:03:57] she'd known about it oh oh but she did know about it because walter says to her yes you know today is natalie's service oh like at the very beginning of the first episode and she just and then he that's when he gives her the key shouldn't want to go storage locker and and sends her in that direction yeah uh i did think it was funny that they were like she probably tapped the table and then they're like hello misty like in the salt that was that was super cute yeah and um shauna says

[02:04:28] regarding mari early in the first episode can't believe we didn't eat that bitch first yeah and then melissa in her little bid to you know get in good with shauna says mari's so dumb i heard she chipped her tooth on her vibrator and i just paused the tv i was just i was cracking up about it yeah it was just too cute and i um we haven't talked about it yet but like the big makeout session between uh

[02:04:58] shauna and melissa with the knife in between them the whole time yeah no kidding that's yeah that was on my my list of potentials for a fucked up moment of the week because keeping the knife between them made me wonder if melissa's attraction to shauna is because of her being dangerous very well could be yeah like the darkness the scariness of her is what's so appealing

[02:05:25] i'm more interested in her now just as a character now that she's getting more just i don't know dangerous or yeah like hard yeah she's messed up it's interesting to watch we didn't really see the i mean we just see the rage and the and the you know that's all we're seeing right now i'm sure

[02:05:54] we're gonna see other layers but right now we're just seeing the rage and she spit in the food yeah oh my god she's instigating she wants somebody to fight her she's like come on it's not unlike misty in her grief going to that bar and like trying to light those guys pants on fire she's just she wants a

[02:06:15] fight remember i think she felt better after she beat the crap out of lottie so maybe this is just a coping mechanism where she feels like well if i could just beat somebody up i'll feel better she also is like we're all such lost causes like i think she also feels like morality doesn't really matter anymore and she's not interested in you know right or wrong because i think she thinks they're already

[02:06:43] so far past because of the things that they've done so she's she's completely abandoned the idea of like i shouldn't want to beat up other people and it just doesn't matter to her anymore and it's all about her own emotions and and she's sort of turned into id she's just pure id yeah yeah and and she doesn't have anything to live for you know like she's there's nothing she doesn't she's she's

[02:07:09] not counting on going back getting rescued none of that no she the look on her face like in her eyes the way that sophie nalice plays this the intensity with which she shows shauna's rage i believe it it's she's really i mean i i thought she might kill melissa honestly with the knife the

[02:07:38] way that she was being i would not have put it past her no i think she could kill that now yeah like she's so angry and i think that beating up lottie gave her some kind of weird confidence as

[02:07:54] well like like feeling her power yeah maybe it's in shauna right now i don't know the only other note i had is that at the end of the second episode rebel girl by bikini kill plays a good song

[02:08:18] and that's also produced by joan jett so i'm thinking somebody in there is a joan jett runaways fan i mean who among us is not a joan jett runaways fan i had one other small note which is that the restaurant that van and ty go to is called pa dom which translate loosely into french is not a lady and i think that's really just funny that's why ty sort of smirks when she looks at the um

[02:08:48] at the matchbook like she's sort of thinking like this is an appropriate restaurant for me and van neither of us are ladies my last note is the other song another song in this episode was candle boxes far behind which is very 90s and i thought it fit in perfectly with the episode um again i think the

[02:09:14] music just continues to be almost its own character the music on this show is so you're watching the scene yeah yeah there really should be an award for that probably is but not a not one that we ever see televised right there's probably like some association that gives awards for stuff like that they should it should be an emmy award for use of music in tv because there have been some great shows

[02:09:41] that have put a lot of effort and money into the music and what it does to add to the scene and i think it should be recognized that's just my opinion i agree i i wanted to have more time to do a deep dive on

[02:10:00] all the music but ran out of it we're back and it's time for the news most of the news that's out there

[02:10:31] right now is just reviews of the first two episodes with a lot of opinion in them or articles about um when the show is actually airing and how you can see it on streaming versus on what they are now calling the linear showtime channel i didn't know that that was what we call that now but that costs

[02:10:53] extra but i found this one really interesting piece by samantha hall on them.us and i thought it was appropriate since the show revealed a new queer relationship in shauna and melissa and all of us are straight and so are you know we don't have a queer voice to talk about it so samantha hall

[02:11:16] asks so are all of the yellow jackets girls queer now and she goes on to say consider me and countless other sapphic yellow jackets fans vindicated by the two episodes season three premiere which finally addressed one of our most cherished theories three words bisexual shauna confirmed even setting aside melanie linsky's status as a gay icon and her propensity for playing lesbians i have always

[02:11:42] picked up distinctly queer vibes from the younger version of her yellow jackets character played by sophie nalice in the aftermath of the plane crash shauna began the show hopelessly obsessed with her best friend jackie ella pernell in a way that felt like it straddled the border border between platonic and the romantic but even as yellow jackets went on to deliver lots of queerness in the form of thaisa and van's relationship and coach ben's flashbacks to his time with his boyfriend the shauna jackie

[02:12:12] tension was never explicitly addressed in the show even in the modern day timeline shauna has always given off a certain queer energy and her husband jeff embodies the platonic ideal of heterosexual husband of bisexual wife the more time went on the harder it was to accept that shauna didn't get up to something dykey out in those woods i would never say the word dykey if i wasn't quoting a lesbian who wrote it

[02:12:38] and now we can finally rest because the second episode of this season ends with shauna making out with melissa previously a background actor on the show who through the magic of hollywood has somehow learned to speak between seasons two and three the start of season three finds a younger shauna mourning her stillborn baby butting heads with the other stranded girls as they lose themselves in the adolescent giddiness of their nascent society but in the closing scene of the episode melissa reveals that she is

[02:13:05] undeterred by shauna's intense standoffishness everyone's afraid of you you know i'm not she says to which shauna responds by putting a knife against melissa's throat and shoving her up against a tree and then naturally they begin kissing with the fiery passion of a thousand canadian sons we'll link the article in the show notes because there's more but mostly she just speculates about

[02:13:30] whether or not melissa is the person who left the cell phone in the package and also whether or not that's going to be hillary swank i never got any vibes from shauna previously it was very surprising to me i just feel like if you're obsessed with your best friend you wouldn't be sleeping with her boyfriend oh i don't know but what do i know i think that maybe sleeping with jeff was a way for shauna

[02:13:58] to sleep with jackie without really sleeping with jackie yeah you know yeah yikes yeah because shauna is so passive aggressive right she doesn't ever go directly at anything well now she is well yeah yeah now she's left off the passive part i'm excited to see the relationship with melissa

[02:14:24] develop i think it's a really interesting story yeah that's probably why i as weird as it is because she is being such an asshole right now that i feel differently about her and maybe a little bit more positively because she's direct and i appreciate that more than someone who's passive and manipulative do you mean adult shauna no child shauna yeah yeah at least she's expressing herself even though it's

[02:14:52] sort of just all hate it's not nice but at least it's not she was pretending to be somebody else before yeah yeah cheating pre-crash shauna was deeply passive-aggressive like getting into brown and not telling jackie all that stuff was just you know she was pretending yeah completely everything you can understand why she would be annoyed with jackie but you know they're all layers that's yeah these characters

[02:15:18] but lying isn't the answer to that yeah and the truth is if they hadn't have crashed who knows if she would have went to brown maybe she would have went to rudgers and been jackie's roommate and had her room decorated in pink and green we don't know we'll never know yeah maybe she and jackie would have eventually hooked up we don't know yeah that's true i mean i don't know how jackie would have felt

[02:15:47] about the baby oh yeah well if they had never had the crash shauna would have gotten an abortion i'm sure they would have raised the baby together they would have been a throuple way before that was a word this is some fan fiction going on oh my goodness speaking of fans let's move on to some listener buzz before we read the feedback that we got just letting the listeners know how it's going to work

[02:16:15] this season is that uh we're not going to do separate feedback episodes at least for most of the season and we're going to you know include listener feedback like we always do but because we're trying to get the episodes out early a lot of times listeners won't have time to get feedback in don't worry about it we'll read it on the next episode and respond to it so keep the feedback coming in we love it we love voicemails but also try to keep your voicemails around two minutes or

[02:16:41] less because you know just time yeah so we can get as many in i mean if we get as much feedback as we did last year or up to your last season we may not be able to read it all but um because the only reason why we're not doing separate feedback episodes is because we just don't have time they just came out with white lotus and cobra kai uh you know i'm doing this walking dead thing so i i don't

[02:17:10] have time i love to do it i love the feedback tail overlap handmaid's tail and the last of us don't forget the last of us and so um but i yeah i agree two minute calls would be great but i also would say if you have a really good theory or something and it needs to go a little longer that's cool if it's really intriguing but if you're just saying your thoughts about the episode then we would appreciate it if you try to keep it down to two minutes just so we can get more people in yeah everybody wants

[02:17:38] to participate and it's fun we want to hear from yeah we love it yeah yeah with that said daphne you want to read our first piece of feedback from becky yes becky says listen to the catch-up pod to clarify my thoughts on the entity going to callie i was looking at when lottie saw callie after she shot her and she made a comment about how powerful callie was it got me thinking then when they are all

[02:18:06] gathered after the police arrived they did that aerial shot like when the entity dropped the snow on dead ass jackie and roasted her i thought that meant it moved into her maybe i was wrong i have been believing this whole time that there's not anything supernatural going on so it didn't even occur to me that the entity would be that there is an entity that would go into callie but if you lean towards

[02:18:32] the yes it's supernatural side i totally see vecky's argument here it makes sense to me yeah and what that did remind me too is that that may have had an impact on callie when lottie said that to her which i think we're right you guys are right that mainly callie just wants to get information but she also just may be intrigued with this character and felt flattered or something you know also whenever

[02:19:00] your parents are trying to stop you from doing something if you're somebody like callie then you're like oh i better go do that thing yep absolutely it's it's what you gotta do increases the chances you're just gonna do it it's now got me thinking though that did they when they came back from the wilderness they didn't come back alone i don't know uh wendy you want to read our

[02:19:24] next one from cara cara lachalé says just finished episode two and we are definitely back with a bang pun intended or a few bangs on a related note i thought shauna and melissa had some sexual tension going on and i guess i read that correctly i don't hate it one bit in the first episode i definitely fell for the capture the bone fake out bit and thought the girls had truly descended into anarchy

[02:19:52] and become one with the wilderness having a feral girl spring a la hot girl summer if you will but nope our girls are coping fairly well music selection as the camera panned over the camp setup was brilliant peaceful and hopeful complete with a close-up of a cherubic little bunny just nibbling away on some grass it looked like a baby bunny too which can only mean they're a heartbeat away from chaos yeah

[02:20:21] i'm intrigued by the vast majority of the girls being almost romanticizing and mythologizing their traumatic time over the winter yes the way the brain deals with trauma is a funny thing and i'm curious to see how they continue to explore this coping mechanism and the divide it seems to be creating between the girls also aw misty quickly got to experience her first ever sleepover playing truth

[02:20:47] or dare and drinking with the girls just casually chatting about cannibalism although walter did point out that she was home by 11 so i'm not too sure if that counts but damn it callie i want to know what was on that tape my thoughts are still all over the place but i can't wait to see what this season has in store for us and i'm excited to hear y'all's thoughts favorite one-liner have you been smoking chronic

[02:21:14] they don't call it that anymore okay noted no thanks cara thanks everybody for writing in and i'm sure we're going to hear from more people as we go through the season all right that's our show thanks for listening everyone thanks everyone next up yellow jackets season three episode three them's the breaks if you want to write in or send us a voice message about it you can find all our contact

[02:21:44] information at podcast good.com and while you're there be sure to check out our other shows yeah like me and daphne and a few other people just wrapped up squid game season two which was yes good good season i loved it and i don't have to wait that long you don't and if i gotta say i think the podcast came out really well too we had a great mix of hosts yeah and uh we got a little political

[02:22:10] on there if you don't like that maybe you don't want to listen no it was good though i mean the season was good i think it was better than what people you know some people had problems with it but i didn't i thought it was great and i'm excited for season three summer i said i was gonna wait week to week and when i hit four i couldn't stop like no i was just wow those last few episodes just

[02:22:36] it picked up it was like so fast yeah they cliffhangered you into so you had to start the next episode to see what happened and so oh i watched it all in like two days i also want to mention uh you know white lotus is coming out sunday night and i'm really excited season three in thailand and uh we covered the first two seasons on welcome to the white lotus podcast

[02:23:03] and it'll be the same crew it's my wife jenny and i and our friend randy covering that your marriage therapist that's right yeah podcast is a lot of fun to listen to also coming back soon i'm excited wheel of time and those guys are going to be covering that greg and um is it veronica veronica yeah we'll be covering wheel of time bunch of stuff coming up and as always you can find daphne on like 17 other podcasts but uh primarily run for your lives just a few and you can always

[02:23:33] find me on still slaying a buffy verse podcast where we also tons of stuff women going through dark shit in the 90s yep and penny we're getting a buffy like reboot not a reboot but a continuation it seems like it's coming looks very hopeful that there will actually be a buffy like new series and i'm trying i think i'm ready for it about it because i think it's at least a year and a half if not more away so

[02:24:01] i'm trying to contain the excitement yeah it's great though i didn't know if they'd go back there and want to do it but i guess sarah michelle geller is on board they've been working on it for a few years and uh it started because chloe jiao had an idea of how to go back and i guess sarah michelle geller liked it and with her on board they were able to get you know other people yeah it worked out

[02:24:30] it's great all right on that hopeful note that is our show thanks for listening buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz